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Inside the Hunt for Israel Keyes, America’s Most Elusive Killer · Deadly Intentions

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  He just did it because, as he told the FBI later on, he was
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  getting an interview. Why not?
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  He had no consistent victim type.
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  See someone in a rural area and whoever it is, it is everything
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  he would need. He would construct kit and then
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  bury him. He's got a he had a dozen kids
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  all over the country. Israel keys the most elusive
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  serial killer and modern era. Raised in a very conservative
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  religious family associated with the Mormon faith, but the family
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  kind of goes on to the the more extreme elements.
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  Of being of. Mormonism and it could transfer
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  over, basically. To a a.
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  Group that referred to generally as Christian Identity, which
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  could be a little bit more on the more he was explicitly
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  raised in a white supremacist communities both initially in
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  Utah. He was also raised in
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  Washington, Oregon and like they moved around quite a bit and
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  they lived off the grid. You know, at one point he's
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  raised like essentially out in the woods in a small cabin,
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  large family and no running water, no electricity, no
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  toilets. I mean basically he lived like
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  people did in 1860s and he this is where he became desensitized
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  actually to islands because him and his siblings had to go out
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  and hunt. Right, that's how they ate.
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  That's right. So that usually in the serial on
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  a living world, a lot of times it starts with be killing with
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  yeah, arming animals and and arson and fire.
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  And those are the some of the most the common denominators
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  amongst people that are wired this way is they usually start
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  with with animals. Didn't Dahmer start with
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  animals? I haven't recently.
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  Yeah, I think I think Dahmer started with animals and it and
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  and so it one of the common denominators is the an alive of
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  animals, so they had to do it too.
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  He didn't necessarily do it for to be a psycho.
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  He did it because that's how they.
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  That's how they ate. That's how the family.
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  Ate, but it's desensitizes. You desensitized them.
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  And later on, when he was speaking with the FBI, he was.
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  He referenced specifically the visceral thrill he received by
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  skinning the Deers. Yeah, 'cause you have to
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  understand there's a, you know, you, you catch them, you, you
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  alive, the animal and that's, you know, that doesn't where it
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  stops, then the gruesome part comes and then you have to skin
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  it and quarter it and make it available to eat.
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  And that's very, very visceral, if you will.
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  Yeah, that's that's where he developed this fascination with
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  that entire process. Right Dahmer when you when you
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  eventually look his stuff. Pete, same thing.
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  Absolutely. I watched documentary, same
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  thing, except his dad introduced in Dahmer's situation, his dad
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  introduced him into the hunting aspect of it and and encouraged
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  him to do it. The little does his dad know
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  that he was going to turn into what he did.
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  But you know, so we're in, we're in Utah, we're in the Mormon sub
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  act. They move off the grid.
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  By all accounts, does he have a normal childhood other than no.
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  He was homeschooled. Very little interaction with
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  people outside of the family. And let me ask you a question,
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  Pete. How do you home school if you
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  don't have Internet? I mean, do they have the way?
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  Just essentially wasn't sold, you know, Yeah, if this is just.
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  A loophole within the home sewing technology, because at
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  that point your mom would have to have books and do tests and
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  things like that, and I'm sure she didn't.
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  I mean, it's just these are small communities that tend to
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  be on the very extreme fringes. Right.
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  And so he grew up in that particular environment where he
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  was comfortable in a rural setting, familiar with those
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  type of environments. He.
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  No amenities so. There's no amenities.
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  Later on, when he was involved in his state, that's where he
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  would watch the targets of his hunting.
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  Essentially, he'd be out in the woods for a couple of days
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  keeping an eye on him. He wouldn't break cover.
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  And and by normal people's, you know, that would be like you,
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  you and I couldn't survive in the woods for three days.
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  I'm from LA. I've.
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  Been right right. I need air conditioning some
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  some some food, you know, ATV whatever.
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  So so we got Israel keys. He's born in 1978 Utah moves
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  around. He has comes from a large
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  wizard. Did we ever find out how many
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  siblings he had? Large family.
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  They are borderline white supremacist.
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  Borderline. Off the living, off the grid, he
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  was the especially the black sheep in the family that
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  ultimately rebelled. And so towards the latter part
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  of his teenage years, right before his adulthood, he decried
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  his atheism, which of course caused a huge problem in the
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  family. Sure.
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  I mean, there's these, these, these really, really, really
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  stringent slash Christians. And he wants to say, OK, I don't
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  believe in that whole temple of God.
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  Yeah, so he he went the atheist route and then developed the
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  interest with Satanism. So this is the probably 18 when
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  he can finally leave the flock. He's now telling mom and dad,
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  OK, I'm an atheist and praise Satan, which they're like get
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  that, get the hell out of here. The family shunned him and he
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  right was it called within from their their entire little
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  community. So he goes from that community,
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  wherever that may be. He might have been in
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  Washington. He from them goes into the army.
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  He OK, so he goes into the army a lot of times when you don't
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  have any options, what do you do?
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  Certainly you go into the military and he.
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  And most of the time, Pete, military can clean you up.
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  Most of the time military can get you back on, you know, trap.
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  I've had numerous interactions. I was the coordinator for the
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  Veterans re entry program but interactions with literally
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  hundreds. You're very familiar with that.
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  It's all, yeah, it's a, it's a story that I've come across
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  frequently. Of course not them turned into
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  these kind of. No, no, they actually it did
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  what it was supposed to. Do, certainly, yeah.
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  But. So he goes into the army.
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  To the army, he has his first incident.
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  OK so gets defrocked. Is it defrocked or from the
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  family defrocked? Essentially expelled.
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  See you later. You believe Satan?
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  We're hardcore Christians, Mormon weirdos.
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  And Christian and you know, like like I said, the Christian
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  identity sect. I don't mean to imply normal
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  Christian to someone on far extreme.
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  Of a fringe. A fringe Get out of here prior
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  to the army. Prior to the army.
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  Our first incident. He'd been fantasizing throughout
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  his teenage years. As his interest in Satanism came
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  in. He wanted to participate in a
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  ritual unaliving. And that's what his testimony
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  was to the feds When so he he he testified that OK, after I got
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  thrown out of the family. Subsequent to his arrest, he
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  made a series of statements to the federal authorities, and in
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  doing so, he documented his involvement about the course of
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  his history. He identified this is the first
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  of his assault when he it was a, you know, group of kids inner
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  tubing down a river. Oh, so that's, that's who he had
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  his eye on. He's.
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  Deemed to be highly methodical and random, but the randomness
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  was a function of how he later on decided he's going to swore
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  investigatory tactics. He was also very opportunistic,
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  so he just happened to be there. See some kids tubing?
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  See some Where's this at in Oregon?
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  See some kids right, you know right water rafting type of
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  stuff, absolutely and the. Things in Oregon kids do.
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  That's right. So the last tube was a young
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  girl, never identified by name, 14 to 18 years old.
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  So she's like kind of broke off from the back, right?
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  So she's like a little bit far behind.
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  Kind of lost the pack a little bit.
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  So she's kind of the, you know, odd man out A.
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  Ways back, able to snatch her up, you know, go down the water,
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  right? Right on the river.
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  Right out of the river, pull her up and he drags her to a
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  especially a porta potty that was out in the woods, takes her
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  out there, ties her up and he brought his knife kit.
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  He's had this whole ritual set up and he that he restrained her
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  mostly at one time, sexually assaulted her and from here on
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  out we'll just call it assault. So he assaulted her and later on
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  when he spoke with the authorities, he said that he was
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  too timid on a liver like he couldn't complete the ritual.
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  He ultimately let her go. Oh, he did, yes.
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  But she never you know, because. She did not report.
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  It Oh, she did not report. It she did not report it.
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  Man, how do you not? I mean.
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  You know, it's difficult for for her, Yeah, either how we, who
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  are we doing, right? I mean, so yes, she was 1418.
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  That's what he's identified. That basically got a pass on
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  that one because she didn't report it.
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  She. Didn't report and he had no idea
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  of what her identity was. She's just some inner tubing
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  girl. Wow, so incident number.
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  One incident #1. We'll call her.
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  Tape. Satanic ritual that he wasn't
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  able to complete right because he quote UN quote was too timid.
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  Now at the end of the day, his intentions were well certainly
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  too UN alive. And he said from that, after
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  that, he resolved he was never going to do that again.
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  Meaning if I'm going to take it that far, I'm going to take it
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  to the to the full gimmick. So inner tumens #1 that's Prior
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  to joining the. Army Now he pivots in the Army.
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  Before he served from 1998 to 2001, which is an honorable
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  discharge. During his stay in the Army,
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  however, there were two instances while in the army,
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  while in a service, yes, on leave in Egypt, he assaulted a
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  woman and then on leave in Israel, he assaulted, assaulted
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  a second one. So there's a two women in the
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  Middle East. The first one was an escort that
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  he assaulted. The second one escalated to just
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  a college girl. He just snatched up some college
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  kid, but again, women he wasn't able to identify by name, but
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  these are individuals that he identified to the authorities as
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  he was demonstrating his progression and escalation.
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  And talking about the timeline as to who, when, where, what and
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  how as far as one inner tubing girl 2, Egypt girl, 3 is real
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  girl now, as is Egypt girl and Israel girl.
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  Were they unalived? No, they were still.
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  They just assaulted. He's still at this point has not
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  unalived anybody. He's just a serial assaulter.
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  Serial assaulter at. This point, at this point.
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  He completes his tour, He's honorably discharged in 2001,
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  and this is where he begins the unaliving.
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  The O1. Now, just so we framed things
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  correctly, most of the information comes through the
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  FBI reporting subsequent to his final unaliving.
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  And it's why her event is significant.
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  And this is a young woman named Samantha Koenig.
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  She's the one who worked in the Common Grounds coffee shop.
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  Yep, common. She worked in this little this
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  little shed in Anchorage, AK. Yes, and it's literally the size
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  of like a toll booth. Yes, maybe a.
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  Little bit bigger and it was a coffee shop, yes.
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  A drive through coffee shop? Yes.
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  So he gets out of the Army. He he's living in the state of
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  Washington. 2001 to 2007, he's living in Washington.
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  In 2007, he moves to Alaska. So now the principal events
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  occur while he's in Alaska. This is how we get our
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  narrative. And so it's much later, 2012,
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  where the incident so obviously involving Samantha Koenig came
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  up in. Now what's interesting about
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  Keys is by the time that event occurred, he had a methodology
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  he had established where he did not target individuals either in
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  his primary location where he lived and he was supposed to
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  never use his vehicle. Now, he ultimately broke both
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  rules with her. When you talk about
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  geographically profiling, that means not.
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  Operating in a particular area, he made a deliberate decision 1
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  He was going to disrupt the profiling of target him by not
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  having a specific geographical area.
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  In and out, kind of. In addition to becoming the
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  serial and alive, he was involved in a series of criminal
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  categories like he started out with burglaries escalated the
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  arson escalated to bank robberies escalated to the
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  assaulting of women. Kidnapping.
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  And it escalated to Deanna Levings and often times he began
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  utilizing the travel to facilitate a bank robbery.
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  And while he was there knocking off the bank on the side, he
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  snatched some person up. And then flight of Vermont.
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  Well, yeah, well, Ben, because he's out of Alaska.
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  And So what he would do is he would travel well.
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  What made him well, one, several things make him unique.
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  One, the the lack of a geographical profile. 2, the
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  fact that he had no consistent victim type.
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  The guy from New York was focusing on escorts.
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  He preferred short women. Like there's commonality where
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  he was just completely. Completely all over the road.
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  That's where it becomes random. You would see someone in a rural
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  area and whoever it is, it is but distinguished him.
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  In addition to his efforts to just spark the ability to create
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  this profile to target him, he created what were essentially at
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  one time murder. Kits, kits or he would take
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  unaliving kits. Yeah, a 5 gallon Home Depot
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  bucket. Build it with all of.
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  Everything that he would. Be a firearm, A suppressor, a
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  rope, you know, 909. Everything he would need, he
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  would construct kit and then bury him.
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  He's got a he had a dozen kids all over the country.
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  So he would travel to whatever, wherever he would get these
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  unaliving kits, bury them and then the next time he went to
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  that area, he had a already an established he didn't have to go
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  buy this stuff because a lot of times they get you on where did
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  they'll get to go to Home Depot and look at the surveillance and
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  see that you So if there is none because you bought that.
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  Three years ago. Three years ago, 450 miles away,
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  because you rented a car into Chicago down to Kentucky, bought
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  a couple of these kits, buried them in a State Park somewhere
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  that you knew where it was under underneath the third tree by the
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  4th Bush 4 foot down. All you need to that point is a
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  shovel. You go get your kit and then
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  this kit is virtually untraceable.
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  You no matter what type of of that you leave behind because
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  they cannot forensically find out where that kit faint came
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  from. Yeah, that that was part of his.
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  That's brilliant. Yeah, part of his.
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  I mean, I'm not trying to. He's been characterized as a,
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  you know, a genius, a mastermind.
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  And look, he was clever, but he was methodical and it was these
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  type of efforts to Swart. So how he's able to travel, not
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  having to carry anything on him. He's like with respect to the
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  Vermont with the with the married couple.
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  Yeah. Well, that was a kit that he had
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  buried. That was in 2011.
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  He buried that kit 2009. So that was sitting there for
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  two years. Yeah.
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  And so now, you know, in a rural community, there may be a one
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  hardware store in the area. So if something were to happen,
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  obviously the detective, if they have no leads, they're going to
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  go there and cops go. In the last three weeks, anybody
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  that bought rope? Nope.
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  They find the people. And it was Farmer Jones who had
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  who lived down the road. That's the last rope by Farmer
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  Jones. And Farmer Jones is not a
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  suspect. Sure.
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  And so that's why they he was able to work the ability to
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  develop those kinds of leads and by having the stuff already
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  situated, he called it his insurance policy.
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  And so whenever he would have the need to engage in this court
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  of conduct, he'd fly to wherever he's going to go knock off the
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  bank, knowing that, OK, well, I got a kid up in New York, let me
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  shoot up in the New York going I.
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  Got a I got a prepaid kit from two years ago.
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  Let me shoot the York. Let me get that out of the way.
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  Get that, get my craziness out of the way, which would be an
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  assault with an unaliving and boom, fly back out.
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  Meanwhile, you know, with regards to the world that we
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  live in, the things that we talk about, most people don't
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  distance themselves hundreds if not thousands of miles from
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  where they do the crime in the last week, last week was our
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  first time that we had a guy that just went district to
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  district. This guy's going.
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  Not just geographically distance, but a temporal element
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  where he's putting the kit there in 9 and utilizing it in 11.
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  Has there been? I've never heard of that.
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  Yes. And so the authorities have
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  already recovered 4 of the kits. Well, three of them.
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  The authorities recovered and then a fourth, a independent
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  journalist podcaster, found it, found they went like they went
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  through the, the FBI has a there's so much interest in the
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  case that there's Freedom of Information, essentially.
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  FOIA Act. Database where people can access
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  the information. Instead of submitting 100
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  different requests, just go right to the database and so
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  people pulled the information off and they started.
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  Looking at where he had told FBI where his kits were and so the.
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  4th 1 was discovered by independent journalists who.
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  And podcaster, yes. So we go to, he's living in
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  Washington. We're going to go to the.
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  We're now we're in Alaska where he.
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  Does well, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He moved to Alaska.
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  Moved to Alaska. And he has the the, the coffee,
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  the common ground, a little, little coffee drive through.
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  Shed. It's essentially a kiosk.
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  And if you if you know, if you watch Land Man or not, but Land
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  Man is this really popular show and it's about the oil workers
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  in in Texas and how they wake up real early in the morning and
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  they have these drive through coffee shops.
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  It's very much modeled like common grounds of where you know
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  are unaliving at this point. The first one he takes
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  responsibility for or the first one they forensically get.
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  And we've talked about a couple prior, but we got that through
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  his testimony. This is the one that they this
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  is our first. This is a kind of victim 1.
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  From the investigation. From the investigation and then
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  they back right, right, they reverse engineered it once got
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  him in custody. But the one that they initially
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  caught him for would be this one here, Samantha.
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  He's a he's over a decade into engaging in this course of
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  activity. Initially, it was just he was
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  just to rob the place. And he, according to his
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  statements, he, you know, she was an attractive young 18 year.
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  Old got a picture of her pretty boy.
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  That's her when she's a blonde. And he reported that when he saw
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  her he couldn't control himself. She was so pretty.
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  So what initially I'm going to the Common Grounds coffee drive
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  through shop. I'm just going to rob it, get
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  some cash, sees how attractive she is.
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  I can't help myself. Yeah, and so he's, these guys
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  become fixated and they start obsessing.
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  And so he initially was, you know, Anchorage in the middle of
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  February is not going to have its traffic.
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  No, like you go to where you're going and you know, so he.
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  And you're staying in your car, you're not out on foot too much.
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  Like it's brutal up. There and there's no no one's
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  going to be suspicious because he was wearing a ski mask.
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  Yeah, and and that's what people would wear that are walking
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  outside. That's right.
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  Because it's provided. Him 5 below 0.
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  Deprived him with that so he was able to monitor the situation.
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  See that? There's 18 year old girl.
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  She works by herself, she does the overnight shift and she
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  locks it up when she finished. So not only does she do the
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  overnight shift, but she's won the locks, the door at night,
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  might have the bag of money to take to the bank, but she's a
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  very vulnerable situation. You know when you're just well.
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  Overnight. I mean the sense that.
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  She did he pre scout her? Oh, so that's something we need
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  to get into. So this wasn't really a random.
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  This was a pre scouted. Yeah.
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  Well, he didn't say like, remember, his rule was never to
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  He didn't have a problem with the robberies in the drill area.
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  It's the snatching someone up and then unaliging them.
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  He's like he wait for that to be travelling out of state.
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  But in this one, he just needed to come up on some money because
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  he was getting ready to go on vacation with his daughter.
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  So again, we're going on a two week cruise.
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  So he's like, OK, I'm going to knock off this.
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  Oh, so he's getting ready to go on a two week?
• 20:30
  Cruise, Cruise his. Daughter, he needs to catch a
• 20:33
  knock off common grounds. Knock off the but.
• 20:35
  While I'm doing that, I can't help myself because she's so
• 20:38
  attractive that I have to go through my my gamut.
• 20:40
  Of yes and so now remember the 2 rules are don't engage in
• 20:44
  discourse of conduct in his geographical area and never use
• 20:47
  his own vehicle. He broke both of those, yes.
• 20:50
  And so all the ones that he had done where he had gone
• 20:53
  geographically very far away, he'd had the kits.
• 20:57
  He he didn't use his own car. He had a rental car, like you
• 21:00
  said, flying to Chicago, go to Kentucky.
• 21:03
  That's some of his things. Those were those were some of
• 21:05
  the reasons why he was able to stay aloof.
• 21:08
  Now he breaks his first two. Yes, he breaks the 1st.
• 21:10
  Geographic. And.
• 21:12
  I use my personal vehicle. So and he approaches the Common
• 21:16
  Ground coffee shop and it's the bubbly teen you're doing.
• 21:21
  So he pulls out the firearm, say, you know, obviously there's
• 21:25
  a robbery and he has her take, you know, get down on her knees.
• 21:29
  He spots out the entire area that he directs her, Hey, give
• 21:33
  me the money. So she goes and he's a cash
• 21:35
  register. Now keep in mind there's
• 21:36
  surveillance cameras inside. Right, we have them right here.
• 21:39
  She produces the money for the guy.
• 21:40
  Eden jumps in, ties her up, you know, dags her essentially so
• 21:47
  she's not able to scream. Tells her hey, look, I'm going
• 21:50
  to. He led her to believe he was
• 21:52
  kidnapping her for the process of securing a ransom.
• 21:56
  That's what he's telling. That's what Samantha.
• 21:58
  Yes, so now he she leaves with him and walks out into the truck
• 22:03
  and he drives off. They're actually driving around
• 22:06
  for a little while in his truck and he's allaying her concern
• 22:09
  like he, this scumbag already knows what he's going to do, but
• 22:10
  he's trying to keep her mollified.
• 22:12
  Essentially. And so which is even like, even
• 22:15
  like. What's shocked?
• 22:18
  Like I said, all the other ones were bad, but this is like this
• 22:21
  guy. He's an 18 year.
• 22:22
  Old. What a fuck.
• 22:23
  Yeah. And this guy's got a dad and a
• 22:25
  mom and brothers and maybe a boyfriend and just, you know.
• 22:28
  Well, she had she was living with her father and yes, she had
• 22:32
  a book. And this becomes part of the
• 22:33
  story. And so the he snatches her up
• 22:37
  and he's taking her. He decides to take her back to
• 22:41
  his property. Now his property has a shed.
• 22:44
  He's living with his girlfriend and his 10 year old daughter,
• 22:46
  right? So he takes her to the shed,
• 22:50
  ties her up. On his property.
• 22:51
  On his own property. So now he sends, he decides he
• 22:57
  is going to ransom he's so he sends to to deflect attention
• 23:02
  from the investigation. It's obviously going to
• 23:04
  commence. He sends a text to his boyfriend
• 23:07
  because earlier her and her boyfriend Dwayne had gotten
• 23:10
  into. A little dust up.
• 23:12
  A dust up because she'd been accusing him of being faithful
• 23:16
  goofy teenage teenage. Teenage shit.
• 23:19
  And so we both said the same thing.
• 23:21
  Teenage. Shit, so the the boyfriend was
• 23:22
  supposed to pick her up when she got off work and so she sends
• 23:28
  him, hey, you know, I got there in the middle of this dust up.
• 23:32
  She's going to pick up her, her friends is going to pick her up.
• 23:35
  She needs time to think about the situation.
• 23:37
  But she sends him that text, that text, hey, listen, my
• 23:41
  friends pick me up. Don't worry about it, You know,
• 23:44
  blah, blah, blah, you're piece of shit, you're cheating on me
• 23:46
  and blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
• 23:47
  So, you know, he doesn't show up to pick up.
• 23:50
  He was. Told not to but then he starts
• 23:52
  texting earlier on like hey, did you get home OK what's going on?
• 23:55
  Did and she no response. So then he goes over to her
• 23:58
  home, talk to the father. Now, of course, you know, the
• 24:02
  father's concerned. He's raised her since she was
• 24:05
  two years old, essentially since like a little kid.
• 24:08
  And they were very close for her to just up and leave without
• 24:12
  letting the dad know. She had no problems with OPS.
• 24:15
  Yeah, like she So he starts contacting no response keys, has
• 24:22
  her phone and so he says, well, what he needed from her was the
• 24:27
  debit card so he can go make cash withdrawals.
• 24:31
  Her debit card. Well, she'd have it on him on
• 24:34
  her. She had it in her boyfriend's
• 24:36
  car. So now Keys leaves her tied up,
• 24:41
  goes on the boyfriend's place, breaks into the truck.
• 24:48
  Now while he's doing that, the boyfriend comes out and there's
• 24:51
  a confrontation between them. He's just thinking it's just a
• 24:53
  regular burglar. Some some scumbag trying to
• 24:56
  break into my car runs the guy off but Keys got the.
• 25:00
  Debit card, he's got it. Yeah, so the boyfriend is
• 25:03
  dealing with the missing girlfriend.
• 25:04
  Didn't put too much data rewarded like.
• 25:06
  Just just ran off. Some scumbag tried to jump in my
• 25:08
  truck. Get the hell out of here.
• 25:10
  Doesn't realize there's not a two and two connection.
• 25:12
  There, that's right. Now the.
• 25:14
  Because he's frantic trying to find Samantha along with her
• 25:17
  dad. And so now in the morning the
• 25:22
  father and the boyfriend report missing person.
• 25:26
  But now after Keys gets the debit card, he gets the
• 25:29
  information from her and he assaults her again.
• 25:36
  He assaults her at this point. And prior to doing so, he had
• 25:40
  like this whole little ritual where he was, he had a glass of
• 25:43
  wine, he drank, smoked a cigar and.
• 25:47
  Oh, on the prior essays. I know I'm just right here.
• 25:49
  He's got her in the shed. Oh, OK, So on on this particular
• 25:53
  assault with Samantha, he has this whole ritual where he
• 25:56
  smokes a cigar, drinks a glass of wine.
• 25:58
  And he's telling her what he's going to do and that she's not
• 26:02
  going to be leaving. Oh.
• 26:05
  And so like the the on a fear in this 18 year old girl that this
• 26:09
  point is just profound is just. Because up to this point, she
• 26:11
  probably thought there, you know, because she driven her
• 26:15
  around a little bit and but she probably thought it was just
• 26:18
  he's, he's going to drain my account, you know, But you know,
• 26:21
  he, he, he hadn't indicated. Yeah, it didn't indicate any
• 26:24
  physical. Harm, right, You know, and.
• 26:26
  So there's the, the that moment of terror, not a moment how long
• 26:31
  the period was, but it was this terror for this poor girl.
• 26:34
  And of course we know this now because he was later on
• 26:37
  recounting it. So he he goes through his
• 26:39
  ritual. Smoking a cigar, Drinking wine.
• 26:43
  Assaults her and at one point he turns around while she's not
• 26:48
  looking. Takes his knife, stabs her in
• 26:50
  the back. This fits.
• 26:52
  Creates her. She's now deceased.
• 26:56
  He rolls her up in whatever he's going to conceal her in and
• 27:01
  leaves him in the shed. At 5:00 in the morning, he wakes
• 27:03
  up his daughter and they take off to go under.
• 27:08
  Two week tour on their. Cruise on their cruise.
• 27:10
  He comes back now. Do you remember this is in
• 27:11
  Anchorage in February, he said. Now when he returned and he went
• 27:17
  out to the shed, he was surprised that she looked as
• 27:20
  lively as she did. Probably because of the frigid
• 27:22
  temperatures and you know, right, because that preserves,
• 27:26
  doesn't it? Yes.
• 27:27
  At what point do you think he switched in his mind that he was
• 27:31
  going to turn this to a from a ransom to just an alive?
• 27:35
  Oh I think you missed the timeline.
• 27:38
  He unalived her. Remember he initially kidnapped
• 27:42
  her in February 2012 right? Took it her shed, tied her up,
• 27:47
  turned up the radio the camouflage couldn't scream loud
• 27:50
  enough and assaulted her. Assaulted her, unalived her,
• 27:55
  goes on vacation, comes back, discovers 2 weeks later.
• 27:59
  Oh, that the that the body looks uncannily good.
• 28:02
  Looks uncannily good, so he said he engaged in necrophilia with
• 28:08
  her. As if you get any worse.
• 28:10
  It couldn't get any worse. It just couldn't get any worse.
• 28:12
  This guy is fucking horrible, right?
• 28:15
  No, it gets worse. OK, give it to me please.
• 28:19
  So he, he and now he has the idea, you know what, I'm going
• 28:22
  to ransom the main make a ransom demand to the family.
• 28:27
  Now the parent, the father is going crazy.
• 28:30
  For two weeks he mobilized the entire city of Anchorage.
• 28:33
  Just 300,000 people looking for a girl.
• 28:35
  For two weeks because homeboys have been gone on a cruise for
• 28:38
  10 of days. Strangers have donated shit.
• 28:40
  They raised, you know, 10s of thousands of dollars for a
• 28:42
  reward. They've scoured and probably
• 28:45
  with Air Foot. Every everyone's looking for
• 28:48
  this poor girl. So he comes back from his
• 28:51
  vacation, discovers that she's surprised, relatively in good
• 28:55
  shape, engages in his necrophilia and decides he's
• 28:59
  going to issue a ransom demand. So what he does is he gets some
• 29:05
  makeup to the Corp, dolls are up.
• 29:08
  So that picture that we see. Been on the line for.
• 29:11
  Two weeks. So that picture that we're going
• 29:13
  to show or that we showed already, the picture that we
• 29:15
  showed that was from he. Took a fishing line, sewed her
• 29:20
  eyelids open, braided her hair, put on her makeup and then took
• 29:28
  a photograph of. Her with the paper with the
• 29:32
  today's paper paper. So he was able to demonstrate
• 29:35
  her that she's alive and this is what I want.
• 29:37
  He makes issues of demand for 10s of thousands of dollars.
• 29:41
  So he takes the photograph and a note.
• 29:44
  He old man manual type typewriter types out the ransom
• 29:49
  demand on the back of the photograph, a black and white
• 29:52
  photo, puts it in a Ziploc bag, puts in a location out in the
• 29:56
  woods, sends a text to her boyfriend, say hey, go out to
• 29:59
  this, you know. Woods.
• 30:01
  Third tree behind the pick a fence or whatever the hell it is
• 30:03
  right and follow the instructions.
• 30:06
  He goes and recovers, retrieves the.
• 30:08
  Boyfriend goes and gets the ransom.
• 30:10
  And of course, the father at this point, there you go, they
• 30:11
  get the information. She's alive.
• 30:14
  Because I got the picture that is the most Pete out of
• 30:18
  everything we've talked about. This was terrible.
• 30:21
  Out of everything we talked about Go Go guy, the Golden
• 30:24
  State guy, none of them took an unaligned body, used fish line
• 30:31
  to keep their eyes open, put makeup on them, propped him up
• 30:34
  with today's newspaper. Yeah, propped up against the
• 30:37
  wall. So she's looking up against the
• 30:38
  wall. And he holds the newspaper to
• 30:41
  establish, you know, a contemporary photo.
• 30:43
  This is the proof of life issued to the man in conjunction with
• 30:46
  the ransom. That's that's next level shit.
• 30:48
  Next level. I mean, my Lord.
• 30:51
  And so of course, the father follows the.
• 30:53
  Instructions and they have no idea to not think that that is
• 30:57
  you know, they're I mean because she the picture they showed and
• 31:00
  we'll show it again, it just a black and black and white, you
• 31:05
  know, technology they had back then you would not know any
• 31:07
  different. He deliberately did it in black
• 31:09
  and. White.
• 31:10
  Yeah, absolutely. And because the contrast.
• 31:14
  Right. Camouflage and so like you know
• 31:18
  when she you know but. As a parent, you're just.
• 31:20
  You're looking for any sign of any hope of of of.
• 31:24
  There's desperation. And so that pictures, I mean,
• 31:26
  you're like, Oh my God, we're good.
• 31:27
  So the father was able to take the money that was raised, you
• 31:31
  know, the 10s of thousands of dollars that were raised for.
• 31:33
  To find. The the award for inflation
• 31:36
  leading to her return took that money and deposited into the
• 31:39
  bank account. Her bank account because he's
• 31:42
  got the debit card. So is that what the instructions
• 31:44
  were? The money in the Samantha's
• 31:46
  account now the FI of course, is now aware of, doesn't they're?
• 31:51
  Laying on Yeah, this is really not very smart as as brilliant
• 31:57
  as he's been in other scenarios that we've talked about the kits
• 32:01
  and stuff like that, which I want to say brilliant because
• 32:04
  that makes a person. But you know, the maniacal pre
• 32:08
  meditation that you never have heard of before is now all of
• 32:13
  that gets wiped away because now you're having to put it in her
• 32:16
  account. You know, the feds are laying on
• 32:18
  it. I mean, they're on it.
• 32:20
  And so now he's able to do withdrawals in Alaska because
• 32:25
  wearing the ski mask, if we can go, they know that some some
• 32:28
  guys withdrawing money, right? But you know, you go, you make
• 32:32
  the withdrawal, you leave by the time the authorities get there,
• 32:35
  right? Have you?
• 32:36
  Already gone, right And I don't know that they have the
• 32:38
  technology to have like to put that routing number and that ATM
• 32:44
  number in a system that would alert you immediately that it's
• 32:48
  like I don't think we even I don't know that we have.
• 32:50
  That I'm sure that it would have triggered the authorities quick.
• 32:53
  The problem is just a large geographical area and you don't
• 32:56
  know where. And it's very rural.
• 32:58
  I mean, you know, Anchorage is not like, you know, New York
• 33:01
  City where, you know, I mean, you're talking about, you know,
• 33:05
  hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of, of, of rural miles.
• 33:09
  Yeah, so like, and so then he leaves Alaska.
• 33:11
  Does he go and get the money out?
• 33:13
  You know he's. Withdrawal, but you're limited
• 33:14
  in the amount you can withdraw. He doesn't go out and take.
• 33:17
  Right, like 5-6 hundred bucks. You're limited to your with the
• 33:20
  the withdrawal cap. A daily cap.
• 33:23
  Or presumably an 18 year old, or maybe a couple thousand.
• 33:26
  She doesn't. Have right, right.
• 33:28
  You know what? Do we know the amount?
• 33:30
  We don't know what the cap. Is we?
• 33:31
  No, no, we do. Do we know it?
• 33:32
  The dad. Some somebody in the neighbor
• 33:35
  around $30,000. 30,000 that he'd put in her account that they had
• 33:39
  raised to the community and stuff like that.
• 33:41
  And so, but like you said, he can't get all 30.
• 33:45
  No. So he's has to make the the
• 33:46
  withdrawal. So now he flies from, let's say
• 33:48
  from Alaska down to California and he goes into Arizona, rents
• 33:53
  a car or he's got a Ford Focus. And so he starts making
• 33:56
  withdrawals. Yes, but now he's wearing a
• 33:59
  disguise, but he can't wear a ski mask.
• 34:01
  Not in Arizona. Not in Arizona, right?
• 34:03
  So now he's wearing a disguise and he goes and he does the
• 34:07
  withdrawal. It's in the car drives off, he
• 34:11
  stopped. There's another withdrawal, goes
• 34:14
  from Arizona to New Mexico, from New Mexico, like he's doing
• 34:17
  withdrawals, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas.
• 34:19
  Now the FBI knows. Right, but they still you got
• 34:22
  time. Don't know where he is.
• 34:24
  He's somewhere off the 10 quarter, essentially.
• 34:26
  Do they have Intel on the kind of car he's driving?
• 34:28
  This is where it gets interesting you.
• 34:30
  Mentioned a Ford Focus. That yes, he the mistake he
• 34:33
  made. Well obviously all of this is
• 34:35
  horrible, but the mistake he made was on one of them.
• 34:39
  He allowed for the photo of for the car to appear in the
• 34:42
  background. And yes, so he's out here going
• 34:46
  do, do, do, do, do and the camera shooting here.
• 34:48
  Like over his shoulder. Whatever, they got a shot.
• 34:50
  Of they got the Ford Focus, they got, the idiot wasn't smart
• 34:53
  enough to pull it down the street a little bit, right?
• 34:55
  That's right. And so then, so that's.
• 34:57
  That's that's the hiccup 1. Yes, right.
• 34:59
  So now they're looking for a white Ford Focus with someone in
• 35:04
  and around A10 quarter, essentially Arizona, New Mexico,
• 35:07
  all the way out to Texas. Right.
• 35:10
  He has mechanical problem with the car and so now he takes car
• 35:15
  up to, you know, let's say it's a budget rental car.
• 35:17
  He's 2 states over. So he takes the car over to get
• 35:20
  it swept out. They give him another Ford
• 35:23
  Focus. Oh, they did.
• 35:26
  Just just. Just out of happenstance.
• 35:27
  Right, just out of coincidence, they gave him a white folk, they
• 35:31
  gave him white. So the so the feds still got the
• 35:33
  hunt on for the white focus, even though they know that he
• 35:37
  didn't have they don't know about the car trouble.
• 35:38
  It just happened. They so that was a brilliance of
• 35:41
  that was. A That's a shrink of luck for
• 35:43
  the authorities. And so while he's in Texas,
• 35:47
  he's, you know, just pulling over these little roadside
• 35:49
  hotels. One of the things that he did is
• 35:50
  he didn't leave electronic trails in that he would stay at,
• 35:54
  like roadside motels. We'd just pay cash.
• 35:56
  Right. Be like, you know, 81 bucks a
• 35:58
  night. Yeah, 40.
• 35:59
  And he's like here. There you go and you just give
• 36:00
  him the cash as opposed to having to leave, You know, if
• 36:03
  you fight for him Anchorage to Chicago, he can leave his cell
• 36:06
  phone there, get a burner phone. So as far as the his phone
• 36:09
  indicates, he's still in Chicago.
• 36:11
  He rents the car and then takes off and then comes back.
• 36:14
  And so that was part of his his methodology to the ability to
• 36:20
  create a profile of the individual.
• 36:22
  They can't connect him to other alive wings and they're not
• 36:25
  going to be able to follow his movements.
• 36:27
  But in this particular instance, they know about the white Ford
• 36:29
  Focus. He's staying the night at the
• 36:31
  hotel, and an astute Texas trooper sees the vehicle like.
• 36:38
  There's a BOLO on a white Ford Focus.
• 36:41
  He watches the car, outcomes the guy, outcomes keys, gets in the
• 36:45
  vehicle, drives off. Trooper's following now at the
• 36:49
  point and he's looking for any pretext to pull the guy over.
• 36:53
  Right. And at one point, Keys ends up
• 36:56
  going like two or three miles up the speed limit.
• 37:00
  So the cop comes over, you know, trooper pulls him over.
• 37:02
  Keys, of course, is unaware of what's going on.
• 37:04
  Sure forgets his ID, Alaska driver's license, but there's
• 37:10
  been a a BOLO. Right.
• 37:13
  Looking for somebody from Alaska on.
• 37:16
  The. Samantha Day on the 10 corridor
• 37:19
  doing bank withdrawals. Right, that comes up.
• 37:22
  That comes up because now there's a nation where look be
• 37:25
  on the lookout type of a notification.
• 37:27
  They're looking for the Alaska guy in and around the 10
• 37:30
  Freeway. Driving a white Ford Focus.
• 37:32
  White Ford Focus making withdrawals on this missing 18
• 37:37
  year olds bank card, credit card or debit card.
• 37:39
  Excuse me? And so he sees that he's from
• 37:42
  Alaska. He's playing it off like
• 37:44
  everything's fine. He calls in backup.
• 37:46
  Backup shows up. He arrests the individual.
• 37:50
  The officer searches the car incident to the arrest and he
• 37:53
  finds money from a bank robbery he had committed that had ink on
• 37:59
  it from the explosive pack. So while he was fleeing from
• 38:03
  Samantha with her card in a white Ford Focus that started in
• 38:08
  Arizona, he also knocks off a bank, knocks off a bank in the
• 38:13
  in that. In the stretch.
• 38:15
  So he's on the middle in the midst of a bank robbery run,
• 38:17
  right? He's also draining this account.
• 38:20
  Right while having just on a live somebody in Anchorage,
• 38:23
  Samantha. This is a few weeks now back.
• 38:25
  Sure, right. He's just at this point tying
• 38:28
  completing the offense by extracting the money from the
• 38:31
  situation. And so he does the bank robbery
• 38:35
  and he's doing the bank withdrawals, gets pulled over
• 38:39
  and accessed. The authorities discover Alaska
• 38:40
  driver's license. They searched the car, money
• 38:43
  tainted with the dye packs. Probably her debit card.
• 38:46
  Her debit card got the disguise the individual is using to do
• 38:52
  the bank. Rob, they do the bank.
• 38:53
  Withdraw. I mean they got.
• 38:54
  Him. They got him dead to rights.
• 38:55
  And they got him dead to rights. Is that what took him?
• 38:57
  Is that inevitably what? No, he said.
• 38:59
  At this point, they take him into custody and now the FBI
• 39:02
  comes in. Now, normally this would be a
• 39:03
  federal case. Right, because it would be a
• 39:06
  state case it. Would be a state case involving
• 39:08
  him doing what he did with respect to poor Samantha.
• 39:11
  However, the the feds were able to develop a jurisdictional hook
• 39:17
  because he's actually on a bank robber spree.
• 39:20
  Through multiple states. And he's in the process of
• 39:24
  draining the account, the money from Samantha's account.
• 39:27
  Yeah. So he's doing Grand Theft of of
• 39:30
  X amount of dollars a day from her account Well crossing state.
• 39:34
  Lines and bank, it's essentially a bank fraud.
• 39:37
  It's bank fraud, right? And I'm sure they could hook in
• 39:39
  like a identity type theft. You have permission to use that
• 39:42
  stuff. While crossing.
• 39:44
  Banks and so these are all jurisdictional hooks that the
• 39:47
  authorities were able to to utilize.
• 39:49
  And state compared to federal levels.
• 39:51
  Whole different ball game it would be.
• 39:52
  Yeah, the resources are, yeah, particularly in Alaska, the the
• 39:55
  FBI is going to be able to come in just.
• 39:57
  And so now the FBI, of course, steps and take over the case.
• 40:01
  And they are able to charge him federally because the homicide
• 40:08
  was incident to the federal offense.
• 40:10
  Like there's a most homicides aren't prosecuted as federal.
• 40:14
  There has to be a federal interest.
• 40:15
  So we got the feds. They roll in here, the feds roll
• 40:18
  in. They tell the local guys, we,
• 40:21
  we're, we're, we got it. We're, we're, they're working in
• 40:23
  conjunction with the authorities.
• 40:25
  And so when they get them back to Alaska and the authorities
• 40:30
  start confronting him with the evidence because at this point
• 40:34
  they think she's perhaps still alive, like they're trying to
• 40:37
  say. They have found Samantha yet,
• 40:39
  have they? No.
• 40:40
  So while he's in custody in Anchorage, they still haven't
• 40:43
  found Samantha. This is like, where is she?
• 40:45
  Unbeknownst to them, she's of course been alive several weeks
• 40:48
  ago. And after he sent the proof of
• 40:51
  life photo, he dismembered her, chopped her up and disposed of
• 40:57
  her in a frozen lake. And so at this point, he once he
• 41:05
  realizes the jig was up, he told the investigators, hey, look,
• 41:11
  I'll give you all the details, but what I want is an Americano,
• 41:18
  peanut butter Snickers and a cigar.
• 41:21
  So I'll, I'll sit here and tell you all the details where you
• 41:25
  can potentially find her, what I did.
• 41:26
  Yeah, he said, he said, he said she is UN alive.
• 41:29
  I'll give you the details, but I need these things and we'll have
• 41:32
  a conversation. And this is where he starts the
• 41:35
  psychological manipulation. He begins with the authorities.
• 41:39
  Right, Usually they don't start with the authorities the the
• 41:42
  psychological manipulation, right?
• 41:44
  That's how sick this. Is yes and This is why.
• 41:47
  So the the feds were probably like, no problem.
• 41:49
  Yeah, yeah, I. Just wanted to go get get him,
• 41:51
  give him whatever he wants. He and he indicated that she's
• 41:54
  not the only one. And that's how they went and
• 41:57
  found Bill and Loreen. Well, we're going to get to get
• 42:00
  to. But you know, so they were
• 42:02
  actually. Under horrible circumstance.
• 42:03
  But so we don't the feds and yes.
• 42:08
  So now they get they got him the interrogation and he starts
• 42:12
  laying out his conditions. 1 he wants his snacks before the
• 42:16
  meeting. He also his concern was he
• 42:19
  wanted he's going to provide the information.
• 42:22
  He didn't want it released publicly because he didn't want
• 42:26
  it to harm his. He didn't want his 10 year old
• 42:29
  daughter to become aware of the gruesome facts.
• 42:32
  Sorry, but I mean. Well, so do enforce the
• 42:35
  authorities agree like, OK, we're not going to disclose the
• 42:37
  information like, you know, they they can charge in public in a
• 42:40
  document, but they're not going to identify this information
• 42:44
  the. Information he's given now.
• 42:45
  This information. Which is really not anybody's
• 42:47
  business because it's still an active open investigation and
• 42:50
  maybe the family. At some point, there's going to
• 42:53
  be those type of disclosures, but at this point he's trying to
• 42:55
  control the narrative. The narrative because
• 42:58
  ultimately, like the other two circumstances, the New York
• 43:01
  individual, the California individual, these are just guys
• 43:04
  who for them, the physical assault isn't the purpose of
• 43:10
  what they do. It's the control and the
• 43:15
  institution of terror, like power and you.
• 43:18
  Want the common denominator? So far, this is our third.
• 43:21
  Is that it? It's come in different shapes
• 43:23
  and sizes. You know, Rex, obviously, you
• 43:26
  know, then obviously the golden the, the, the golden stick guy
• 43:29
  last week and now and now Israel.
• 43:32
  But in some way, shape or form, every one of them had to exert
• 43:37
  that manipulative power. Like, like it's, it's like
• 43:42
  almost, it's a prerequisite to be in this business, so.
• 43:46
  To speak Well, yeah, that's the the the sickness that drives the
• 43:51
  conduct. You know, like when I was in, I
• 43:53
  was in federal for a couple of decades and I met numerous men
• 43:56
  who had a lot of mod dies. Dominic from Philly had 16
• 44:03
  unalivens and Henry had from New York had 20 unalivens.
• 44:06
  But none of them were like these.
• 44:07
  None of them were like that. They.
• 44:09
  They are all transactional. They, they get a call in from
• 44:11
  their, you know, their, their tap calls a minute and says,
• 44:13
  hey, we got a headache out in Jersey.
• 44:15
  Go, go, go. Take care of.
• 44:16
  It go make that headache go away.
• 44:18
  And Antonio goes down there and. Makes He goes down to Drake.
• 44:21
  He makes the headache go away. But it's not premeditated, It's
• 44:24
  not anything to do with, it's just.
• 44:25
  Business, it's just, yeah, like most of the time they don't even
• 44:27
  know the people that they're targeting.
• 44:29
  It's like they get a job to go and they do what they got to do
• 44:31
  and they come. Way different these.
• 44:33
  Individuals are driven by a compulsive need to institute.
• 44:39
  Fear. Now let me ask you a question,
• 44:40
  Pete. This is a personal question.
• 44:42
  Hopefully we can, you know, have to edit it out.
• 44:44
  But like having interactions, you know, for over 2 decades
• 44:48
  with these type of people, you know, and being around all types
• 44:52
  of different people from fraudsters to, you know, just
• 44:55
  the the amount of people that you that are in the facility
• 44:58
  that you were at or several different facilities.
• 45:02
  Would the people like the Israel keys be looked at way different
• 45:07
  than the mob guys? There are very few individuals
• 45:10
  like that. Like that?
• 45:11
  Like Israel? In general population.
• 45:14
  Yeah, I was going to say because the mob guys, they're from I, I
• 45:18
  don't want to say their killings are transactional.
• 45:21
  They're not personal. They're not to power other than
• 45:26
  their their family of of of. Yeah, they're resolving it
• 45:30
  forever. Dispute resolution.
• 45:31
  Right, right. It has nothing to do with making
• 45:33
  their calling their wives up and making them in any more mentally
• 45:39
  messed up. No, no, no, there wasn't any of
• 45:41
  that. It was just a boom, boom, boom.
• 45:44
  And so when you did you ever have any interactions with any
• 45:48
  of these kind of whack jobs? They don't hit the general
• 45:52
  population. I can say certainly within the
• 45:54
  Italian Jewish are that man would never walk the.
• 45:58
  Yard never. Quite frankly, within the
• 46:01
  Caucasian group of prisoners like the the Whites, whether it
• 46:06
  be any of the prison gangs or just the independents that are
• 46:10
  just part of like the wood pile they call themselves, they
• 46:13
  wouldn't accept this guy. So they got they got Keys.
• 46:16
  Feds take him to Alaska. He makes these demands.
• 46:19
  Give me the. The Americano, the snicker and
• 46:23
  the cigar. What's an Americano coffee?
• 46:25
  Oh, OK, so give me a a bad ass coffee, like probably Starbucks
• 46:30
  quality, some kind of high dollar coffee or whatever.
• 46:32
  A Snickers, which I love Snickers, by the way, and a
• 46:36
  cigar. I'm not a cigar, so they're
• 46:39
  like, no problem, he tells them with audio.
• 46:40
  He tells them about what happens with Samantha.
• 46:42
  Mantasuka, Mantasuka Lake. Yeah, I can't pronounce it.
• 46:47
  Yeah, I think it's Mantasuka. Lake.
• 46:48
  Yeah, so he says he explains what happens and tells him how
• 46:53
  he how he dispose of the body and he lays down a condition.
• 46:57
  He tells the prosecutor, look, he will lay out all the
• 47:00
  information concerning. He says there's not 12. 11 is
• 47:06
  what he said. But at this point.
• 47:08
  They only know about the one. They only know Samantha.
• 47:10
  That's all they know. And.
• 47:11
  He says, but I'll tell you about the other ones.
• 47:14
  However, he's insisting upon receiving the death penalty and
• 47:22
  he doesn't want the information closed and he wants to be on
• 47:24
  alive within a year. Like he doesn't want to spend a
• 47:26
  whole time. No appeal.
• 47:27
  No, no, no, end of. I mean, if there's anything that
• 47:33
  we can admire about this guy, which I use that term loosely,
• 47:38
  is I appreciate the fact that he didn't want to use the judicial
• 47:42
  system as a weapon like most guys do.
• 47:43
  And, and go 22 years. He's like, you know, no
• 47:46
  nonsense, let's get this done. I'm a scumbag, you know.
• 47:49
  He's gonna lay this out. He'll.
• 47:51
  That's the only. Thing he'll stipulate to it and
• 47:55
  he he can elect not to appeal, right?
• 47:58
  Sure. If he elects not to appeal, he
• 47:59
  knocks the knocks out. He elects not to pursue post
• 48:02
  conviction litigation. Well, it'd be challenging to get
• 48:07
  him on a live within a year. Yeah, but within two years,
• 48:09
  sure. And so he starts leaning out the
• 48:11
  information. He tells them about everything
• 48:15
  that happened with Samantha. Right.
• 48:17
  And then he and then he gives them some Easter eggs that
• 48:19
  there's a bunch of others. A bunch of others.
• 48:21
  He's talking about the kids all over the country, and I'll do
• 48:24
  it. This is a whole other level.
• 48:27
  Of they're, they're thinking we got A and really they got
• 48:30
  BCDEFG&H. Sure.
• 48:33
  Right. And he's of course explaining
• 48:34
  that look, he robbed these 25 to 30 banks like this time period,
• 48:39
  like sometime in O5I got one over here in New York, I got 1.
• 48:42
  So he's just laying it out. So now, of course, it's an
• 48:44
  enormous undertaking for the FBI because.
• 48:48
  They have to go and. Well, certainly they have
• 48:50
  resident offices all over the country.
• 48:51
  You know, call this guy in New York, he run over.
• 48:53
  There, but what started as maybe a single on living is now.
• 48:56
  You know a shitstorm. Yes, right.
• 48:58
  It's a shitstorm. It's a shitstorm.
• 48:59
  Yes, and. Well, of course, and the focus
• 49:05
  of the attention all times turns against the authorities like why
• 49:08
  didn't you stop this earlier? So now it becomes.
• 49:11
  So they're kind of defensive. They're the defensive.
• 49:13
  People are like, hey man, you know what's going on?
• 49:15
  So when do we find out about? During the course of his
• 49:18
  investigation, he refers to the incident in Vermont.
• 49:21
  Right, which had been a year prior.
• 49:23
  Which happened in just a year. Prior so we're 12 yes when he's
• 49:27
  you know getting questioned by. Interrogated by the authorities.
• 49:30
  For Samantha, we're in 12 as he's running through his
• 49:33
  various, you know, unliving and kits and all this kind of area
• 49:36
  bank. Rob.
• 49:37
  Dangling, he's telling about the robberies, he tells about the
• 49:39
  kits, but he's just dribbling out the information on the
• 49:43
  unalivings and the same manipulative type gang that for
• 49:50
  whatever reason he's driving. Some sense of Rolfront and even
• 49:55
  the investigators later on when they appeared on several of
• 49:58
  these documentaries about to end of the state, like whenever he
• 50:00
  would discuss, you know, like he'd be sitting at the edge of
• 50:03
  his seat. He'd be all excited to see the
• 50:05
  adrenaline flowing and like for him, it's able to these guys.
• 50:08
  It was his only way to get off. Still, it was his only.
• 50:11
  And again, he's a manipulative piece of shit.
• 50:13
  So the you know, he wants to make a game.
• 50:15
  This. And so now he's discusses what
• 50:17
  happens with. And really, it's the only power
• 50:19
  he has left, right? Yes, yeah, at this point, yeah.
• 50:23
  And so, you know, on the one hand, it's interesting because
• 50:25
  he wants to protect his daughter from the activity, but on the
• 50:29
  other hand, he's, you know, unaliving Samantha at the in the
• 50:34
  shed on property and his kids in the.
• 50:35
  House, right, right. And takes her on.
• 50:37
  Vacation on vacation. Right after he did it.
• 50:39
  Yes, you know he had the 10 year old girl with him when he was
• 50:42
  doing the on the 10 freeway. I did not know that so when he
• 50:47
  was on his spree. He's taking her with like.
• 50:49
  The white Ford Focus, yes, she's with, yes, I did not know that.
• 50:54
  So when they take him down, they have to separate.
• 50:56
  Him and her and her back home Child Protective Services I'm
• 50:58
  sure to contact your girlfriend or perhaps the the biological
• 51:01
  mother. Right, so I mean I'm sorry
• 51:04
  buddy, you don't your your kid to know, but she's you.
• 51:07
  You got in on a. Car with a, you know, money
• 51:10
  saturated with. Dye pack.
• 51:12
  Explosive taint and. So he's the feds got him under
• 51:16
  the French fry lots. They're talking to him, he's
• 51:18
  throwing these little Nuggets. He's still being manipulative,
• 51:21
  playing the power broker game, playing games.
• 51:24
  He tells him about the. Vermont interested.
• 51:26
  So now he says, hey, look. So he tells him I'm going from
• 51:29
  by some anchorage to Chicago. Rents the car in the midst of
• 51:35
  one of his robbery sprees. He's in Vermont and he just
• 51:38
  randomly sees this couple. Bill and Bill and the rain.
• 51:43
  And so now he sees. He just sees him.
• 51:45
  Yes, so he watched them because he's in, he doesn't have the
• 51:49
  daughter with him and he's comfortable rural environment
• 51:54
  and he spots them, he sees that they don't appear to have any
• 51:58
  visitors, live alone, live a bit of a saluted area.
• 52:02
  He identifies A abandoned warehouse slash farmhouse
• 52:07
  nearby. He goes to Bill in the rings,
• 52:10
  breaks in, kidnaps them. In the course of that break in,
• 52:16
  he recovers A firearm from the home or he builds firearms.
• 52:21
  So now he takes them with the firearm he recovered from the
• 52:25
  house, takes them to the farmhouse slash warehouse,
• 52:29
  wherever the hell he's the structure that he uses to do
• 52:32
  what he does. When he gets there, he separates
• 52:36
  them, takes the husband off and just may have been kind of
• 52:41
  subterranean room characterized as a basement and takes down
• 52:47
  there. And of course he's like, what
• 52:48
  are you doing? Where's my wife?
• 52:49
  I want to see my wife. According to Keys, it triggers
• 52:55
  anger in him. So he analyzed the husband right
• 52:58
  there with his firearm. Right with Bill's own garden.
• 53:02
  Yes, well, he analyzed the husband goes back to Lorraine.
• 53:05
  And, and, and like he said, that triggered his, the, the, the
• 53:09
  husband's sense of urgency or of scaredness or.
• 53:12
  Yeah, because they up until this point, he's not emotional and
• 53:17
  that's one of the characteristics that define him,
• 53:20
  a trait that defines him from the other individuals that are
• 53:23
  exhibiting some type of anger issues in conjunction with their
• 53:27
  need to have control. Whereas he's the methodical non
• 53:33
  emotional. Cool in the pocket, so to speak.
• 53:35
  So and so when he's does what he, you know, analyze Bill and
• 53:39
  he goes and and restrains Lorraine.
• 53:43
  Assaults her and then analyze her.
• 53:45
  Well before he analyze her, he spends his time assaulting her
• 53:50
  and then he takes her watch, sports her over to where her
• 53:55
  husband was and says look, this is your husband.
• 53:58
  He just wants to exert power. Again.
• 54:00
  And you know, of course and do. And install fear.
• 54:02
  And just and so now he sees. So now at this point, she knows
• 54:05
  that her husband's UN alive. He's, you know, obviously
• 54:08
  deceased there. And and then he takes a rope and
• 54:13
  asphyxiates her. It's like like you, why don't
• 54:19
  you just mean look, you shouldn't have obviously done
• 54:21
  any of. This why couldn't you couldn't
• 54:22
  have done it in way less of a barbaric manner?
• 54:25
  Like you did. Bill, I mean it's it's way more
• 54:27
  instant and. Yeah.
• 54:28
  You know just that that and so now with the.
• 54:32
  Again, it's the, it's the inner psychological gravity of his We
• 54:37
  can't see, we can't comprehend because we can't comprehend.
• 54:41
  Like we can't like say like we sit here befuddled because we
• 54:45
  can't comprehend the the just sickness.
• 54:48
  We've both done stupid shit in our life that we're not proud
• 54:51
  of, but we're fundamentally not sickly wired that way.
• 54:56
  And so he I'm alive both of the Bill and Lorraine.
• 55:02
  And that was a year before Samantha.
• 55:05
  You know he provides this information to the FBI during
• 55:08
  the course of his interrogations post Samantha arrest.
• 55:10
  Now, what's complicated the investigation was after he
• 55:15
  unlocked them, he took them camouflaged, some kind of a tarp
• 55:21
  and the kind of a. Bill and right yeah to.
• 55:23
  Carpeting, whatever the hell he used like to roll her up and.
• 55:29
  He. Hid the bodies amidst like this
• 55:32
  warehouse shed type structure along with a lot of other
• 55:35
  debris. Well, a few months after being
• 55:40
  arriving, that structure was torn down.
• 55:44
  Some construction guys came with an excavator and just.
• 55:48
  Got rid of everything, including the bodies.
• 55:50
  Bodies, Sure. So they were never able to
• 55:52
  recover the body. So now the authorities, in the
• 55:55
  course of their investigation in Vermont, they're all determined
• 55:57
  that, yeah, well, these guys are the two people are missing.
• 56:00
  Yeah, because, but they weren't. Able to recover, but they were
• 56:03
  able to this guy's, you know, keys emission ties him in with
• 56:07
  these two missing individuals. But they never did find bodies
• 56:10
  on them. They never did.
• 56:11
  So now that information goes for the FBI, gets transmitted to the
• 56:17
  local police officials in Vermont, that particular
• 56:19
  Vermont, with the understanding that do not disclose this
• 56:22
  information publicly because this guy's providing information
• 56:25
  under the condition that the information doesn't get
• 56:28
  disclosed to the media. So they can't.
• 56:30
  The Vermont officials can't go and talk to the guys who
• 56:33
  excavated the area well. No, they, they, they interviewed
• 56:36
  them, they was tried. They were determined that the
• 56:38
  excavation debris went to this particular dump site, but now
• 56:43
  they're conducting their investigation at that dump site,
• 56:45
  but it wasn't disclosed publicly that the case has been solved.
• 56:49
  Sure. Problem for the for the feds in
• 56:52
  Alaska, however, is that information was shared with the
• 56:55
  local authorities of Vermont. Somebody in the Police
• 56:57
  Department leaked it to the local TV station.
• 57:04
  So now. That information gets
• 57:06
  publicized. That case has been cracked.
• 57:09
  The case has been resolved. Killed Bill and Lorraine.
• 57:12
  They got Israel keys name publicly disclosed from Alaska
• 57:17
  and this is the circumstances. This is a shitstorm for the
• 57:20
  feds. No, it's a problem for the feds
• 57:22
  because that information gets released publicly, he's
• 57:26
  discovers. And so he's probably full hot.
• 57:29
  He's full hot. He shuts down all more any
• 57:32
  additional conversation. So anything they were going to
• 57:34
  get post Bill in the rain because he was they were playing
• 57:38
  by his terms. When there's a breach now he's
• 57:42
  like. Yeah, that because for him, you
• 57:44
  have to say his goal, in addition to his psychological
• 57:48
  gamesmanship, was to expedite the implementation of a death
• 57:54
  sentence. Right.
• 57:55
  Of him being gone, well. Him laying out the circumstances
• 57:59
  surrounding numerous other events was going to result in
• 58:04
  him being charged in multiple venues.
• 58:06
  He's going to spend 3456. You're going through pre trial
• 58:08
  proceedings that go to Vermont, get charged.
• 58:10
  Got to go over here and get charged.
• 58:11
  Got it. Well, he didn't want to spend a
• 58:13
  decade. Of travelling to be.
• 58:16
  You know, county jail to county jail dealing with these
• 58:18
  different prosecutions. So now he shuts up.
• 58:20
  Because they they against their word.
• 58:23
  I mean, right? Well, they shared the
• 58:25
  information with local offer. The feds didn't.
• 58:27
  Right. I mean it wasn't the feds fault,
• 58:28
  it was the local guy. Did they ever find out who the
• 58:31
  knucklehead was? Or detective leaked it to his
• 58:34
  buddy. So at that point is that
• 58:35
  complete the process here with regards to we don't the reason
• 58:40
  why they they they believe that there's eleven more but he he's.
• 58:45
  He's shut down at this point. And now during the course of the
• 58:48
  pretrial proceedings in Alaska, he realizes now he's in a really
• 58:51
  bad spot. He, during one of the court
• 58:55
  hearings, tries to endure an escape.
• 58:59
  He was able to slip and they to this day, they don't understand
• 59:02
  how he did it, but he was able to get out of his.
• 59:06
  He was able to disentangle the cuffs that they put the ankle
• 59:10
  cuffs. Sure.
• 59:11
  And when and on the federal level, when you're a guy of that
• 59:15
  type of danger, I mean, they really, they like shackle, Yeah.
• 59:19
  In pre pre trial cities you're going to be like shackle, 'cause
• 59:21
  it isn't a jury, it's only in front of a jury.
• 59:23
  In front of a jury, must you not be look like they try to get put
• 59:27
  a nice shirt on you and they not?
• 59:28
  Right. Or if they are going to like
• 59:29
  shackle you, they're going to have a cloth over the table.
• 59:32
  Yes, right. But this is a pretrial hearing,
• 59:34
  and it's part of a. Judge, So you know.
• 59:36
  But he's able to slip out of him, jumps into the alley,
• 59:41
  trying to get his way out. People are screaming, yelling,
• 59:44
  and of course you got the, you know the.
• 59:46
  The the local. No, her father.
• 59:48
  Oh, Oh yeah, Samantha. 'S father and all things they're
• 59:51
  all the civilians like. Get him, get him, kill him.
• 59:55
  How far does he? He gets he doesn't make it out
• 59:56
  of the courtroom because the marshals were able to attack
• 59:58
  him. They Taser him.
• 59:59
  And they have no idea how he got out.
• 1:00:01
  No idea how he got out. So now they take him back to the
• 1:00:03
  pretrial detention facility and they put him in segregated
• 1:00:06
  housing. I'm sure he was already in
• 1:00:07
  segregated housing, but now he was, you know, in segregated
• 1:00:09
  housing because he harmed a young female.
• 1:00:12
  That's never guys like that have a hard time in prison.
• 1:00:15
  Right. And so now the individual, he's
• 1:00:17
  in the shoe. And somehow while when you're in
• 1:00:22
  the shoe, you're limited, it's what you're going to be able to
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  have. Well, your escapes are like, you
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  know, what was this comeback? Epstein?
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  He was in the shoe. Oh, he was sure, Yeah.
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  You know, because those guys are either suicide risks or now he's
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  a documented escape risk. Right, right.
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  And so they have him in the shoe, and much to the surprise
• 1:00:46
  of the authorities, he was somehow able to secure a razor,
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  which is something you should never have in the shoe.
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  Yeah, I, I from, you know, all the movies and stuff that I
• 1:00:56
  watch documentaries, what have you, Like the shoe, like you're
• 1:01:00
  allowed, maybe your clothes and like, that's it.
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  Yeah, you'll get like a rubber pen like these little pen like
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  this long and a rubber. Right.
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  And you'll get, like, you know, sheets of paper.
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  But like, you're not going to get a shaving kit or you're not
• 1:01:16
  going to get, you know, anything that you can whittle down to to
• 1:01:19
  and like, you know, they it's it's highly regulated, right?
• 1:01:23
  So he but he somehow got a razor.
• 1:01:24
  Exhibited a razor into the shoe. Now, how would that have
• 1:01:27
  happened, Pete? Usually in orderly.
• 1:01:31
  OK, Yeah, Guy that's cleaning at night or guy.
• 1:01:35
  That's, you know, sweeping him up in the hall.
• 1:01:37
  Bringing the food. None of the officers.
• 1:01:39
  The officer bring the food, OK. But it means you have an you
• 1:01:42
  have an orderly in there passing out the toilet paper, passing,
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  you know, dropping off the laundry bags.
• 1:01:47
  Sure. And the officer then open the
• 1:01:49
  door. And and so the again, that was
• 1:01:52
  speculation, but it's pretty informed speculation.
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  So what's irresputable is the fact that he had a razor blade.
• 1:01:58
  And so he created a contraption where to facilitate his suicide,
• 1:02:08
  he laid out on his bed, took a kind of like, almost like how
• 1:02:16
  Epstein was able to engineer his suicide, right?
• 1:02:19
  Took a sheet and he tied it to his ankle.
• 1:02:25
  Well, he's laying on the bed with the sheet tied to his
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  ankle. Right.
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  Like almost like he's almost hog tied.
• 1:02:30
  Almost. He's got his foot up, he's got
• 1:02:32
  his legs up, and he's writing out what's his, his Death Note.
• 1:02:38
  They characterize it as manifestos.
• 1:02:39
  It's like a three page scribe. But in there he has a pentagram
• 1:02:45
  with 11 skulls. On his On his final.
• 1:02:50
  On his final note, so he's making statements like, no,
• 1:02:53
  we're all together now. So it's like him.
• 1:02:55
  And that's why the authorities are saying he had, he had
• 1:02:58
  definitively said it. It wasn't 12.
• 1:03:01
  When he was talking, when he was talking.
• 1:03:03
  And now, so they've got two data points now.
• 1:03:05
  They got the suicide note with the skulls depicted on there and
• 1:03:13
  some pretty hackneyed poetry he was trying to write.
• 1:03:16
  And he set it up to where he slices his wrists.
• 1:03:22
  And he had these little milk taners.
• 1:03:24
  You know, you'd like little cartoons of milk.
• 1:03:26
  And he used that to collect the blood.
• 1:03:29
  His own blood. His own blood.
• 1:03:31
  He spices his wrist. He's collecting his blood.
• 1:03:33
  He's on the bed. He's got the sheet tied around
• 1:03:36
  his neck. To his leg.
• 1:03:38
  And tied to his ankle. Ankle.
• 1:03:40
  Because once he blacks out from the blood loss, the leg is going
• 1:03:47
  to drop and when it drops it's going to asphyxiate for sure.
• 1:03:58
  Wow. All I can say is wow.
• 1:04:01
  You know, I was reaching like, wow, this is, this is.
• 1:04:04
  Bizarre and borderline brilliant.
• 1:04:09
  I mean I I love it because he got a lot.
• 1:04:12
  I mean a bad person was able to unalive himself and I have no
• 1:04:15
  problem with. That.
• 1:04:15
  Yeah, no, yeah, no problem. Tears lost over that, but I mean
• 1:04:18
  no. Appeal.
• 1:04:19
  No, it's. Challenging to unalive yourself
• 1:04:20
  in the chute? Yeah, because it's.
• 1:04:22
  Because I'm it's so controlled, don't they have surveillance
• 1:04:26
  too? Not in the cells.
• 1:04:29
  Not in the cells. Like for when we were pretrial,
• 1:04:33
  they put cameras into two shoe cells for Kozinski, who was the
• 1:04:38
  Unabomber, right? And so he's the only inmate that
• 1:04:43
  I knew or at this point pretrial detainee who was under 24 hour
• 1:04:47
  surveillance simply because he's such a high power prisoner.
• 1:04:50
  Was he very volatile? I mean, was he a very sick man?
• 1:04:53
  No, he was. I mean, obviously he was sick
• 1:04:57
  for the conduct that he engaged in, but in the limited
• 1:05:00
  interactions I had with him. I knew that you'd had some
• 1:05:02
  interactions with him. He was quiet, soft spoken.
• 1:05:06
  He'd shoot me some books, anything read like I'd, I'd
• 1:05:09
  grabbed a bar for him and it was just like John Grisham crap.
• 1:05:12
  And he's like, And so I went and I got a couple of my books.
• 1:05:16
  I gave him through the books that I had to read.
• 1:05:18
  And later on I shot him one of my philosophy books and he got
• 1:05:21
  transferred before and that was. So, Israel, I'm alive.
• 1:05:26
  Himself, yes. So he collects the blood.
• 1:05:28
  Collects the blood. That's a choke and traps him to.
• 1:05:30
  Choke himself. Out sure he is.
• 1:05:32
  Like a self choking gimmick. Yes, and the shoe officer while
• 1:05:37
  taking rounds once he allowed himself, he's still draining
• 1:05:41
  blood. Right, he don't captured so much
• 1:05:43
  he. Would have captured so much of
• 1:05:44
  it. And so the officer making his
• 1:05:47
  rounds saw the red liquid on the floor.
• 1:05:51
  Right now he's underneath his cheek, like he's on the bed
• 1:05:55
  underneath his blanket, but he's just laying there at this point
• 1:05:58
  because his foot dropped. He's choked.
• 1:06:00
  Right, he's done. He's done.
• 1:06:01
  And so the officer of course, once he sees the blood, he hits
• 1:06:04
  deuces. Here comes he calls for medical,
• 1:06:07
  he calls for, you know, additional backup and they write
• 1:06:11
  a sound determined that he's UN alive.
• 1:06:15
  And so he took the information with respect to the specifics to
• 1:06:19
  the grave. Now, he had mentioned the fact
• 1:06:21
  that between 2001 and 2005 there were five people he analyzed in
• 1:06:26
  Washington and on two of them he similar situation to Bill and
• 1:06:32
  Lorraine. He snatched them up, did what he
• 1:06:35
  did, and then he anchored the bodies and disposed of them in a
• 1:06:39
  lake. That was 5.
• 1:06:42
  There was two of the five that were out in Washington.
• 1:06:45
  Again, now the authorities have been able to, in the context of
• 1:06:49
  their investigation, identify people that are saying, OK, he
• 1:06:53
  said he did this in Kentucky. Well, there was a bank robbery
• 1:06:57
  and they're accidentally during that same time period.
• 1:06:59
  There was a. Person this you know, Erica
• 1:07:02
  comes up missing. Right.
• 1:07:04
  And so there was a number of these circumstances.
• 1:07:06
  They were to put a missing person in proximity.
• 1:07:09
  With a bank robbery. And him being in the area.
• 1:07:12
  Right. So through travel records,
• 1:07:14
  through bank robberies and through missing persons, you
• 1:07:18
  said they were able to piece together probably 11.
• 1:07:20
  They said, well, he had the he admitted, he implied there were
• 1:07:24
  11 during the conversations. You had the 11 skulls in the
• 1:07:28
  suicide note and from the authorities in the course of
• 1:07:32
  their investigation, they were able to identify a number of
• 1:07:35
  individuals that coincided with his travels that were missing.
• 1:07:41
  And so Keys was able to exploit the fact that there isn't a
• 1:07:45
  national uniform missing persons database, right?
• 1:07:50
  He was able to capitalize on the fact that he didn't have a
• 1:07:53
  specific geographical area. He was kind of hitting, hitting,
• 1:07:57
  hit and go. That's right.
• 1:07:58
  And it's so much harder to probably find the bad guy you're
• 1:08:02
  looking for when he's nowhere to be found.
• 1:08:05
  He is so geographically gone, like, you know, so he's not
• 1:08:08
  continuing to live in the community, continuing not to put
• 1:08:11
  little Easter eggs out there. Yeah, you know, like he didn't.
• 1:08:14
  And unlike the other individuals, the other couple of
• 1:08:16
  scumbags, like he wasn't communicating with the press.
• 1:08:19
  He wasn't, you know, he was monitoring the investigations
• 1:08:22
  later on. You're able to determine through
• 1:08:23
  his searches, his online searches, but there wasn't like.
• 1:08:26
  You know, like Gilgo picked up the phone, called the.
• 1:08:29
  Sister and then DeAngelo was, you know, calling the the
• 1:08:32
  newspapers or calling the other police departments.
• 1:08:35
  And so it was. He was very.
• 1:08:38
  But so dispassionate when we talk, when we talk about Israel
• 1:08:40
  keys, you know, one of the thing that that we thought we during
• 1:08:46
  the Samantha situation is that's kind of where he made his first
• 1:08:50
  mistake in the protocol that he usually held himself accountable
• 1:08:55
  to. And in fact, in my notes that
• 1:08:57
  you'd get me, you know, the demanding ransom, the using the
• 1:09:01
  debit card which allowed him to go on the spree, that kind of
• 1:09:06
  was all. Yeah, just.
• 1:09:08
  Kind of like a hobby for him, if you will.
• 1:09:12
  You know, I think the ransom, I think the taking the picture of
• 1:09:17
  her and then that got him too far down the road of getting
• 1:09:20
  caught, meaning like if he would have done a hit and go there, he
• 1:09:24
  might have had a better they may not caught him as soon.
• 1:09:27
  I think they let's let's be honest, they caught him because
• 1:09:30
  he was using Samantha's debt card and had he not if he's did
• 1:09:34
  a hit and run there he and then alive during the bad things that
• 1:09:39
  he did. I think the Samantha case is
• 1:09:42
  what he got sloppy on and why he got caught.
• 1:09:45
  Thank God. Good.
• 1:09:46
  Yes, In fact, that's he and he, boy, in the course of his
• 1:09:51
  interviews, while he was discussing, he said he came up
• 1:09:53
  with the plan where he was going to start following climate
• 1:10:01
  related disasters. And so like the next time there
• 1:10:03
  was a Hurricane Katrina or tornado, tornado or thing.
• 1:10:06
  Yeah, so he was because he was a construction worker.
• 1:10:08
  So he was able to say, look, I'm gonna go out to Kansas.
• 1:10:10
  I got a job so nobody was ever suspicious with him.
• 1:10:13
  So if there's a tornado. Well, a lot of my a lot, you
• 1:10:18
  know, a lot of my guys became independent wealthy on Hurricane
• 1:10:21
  Andrew that hit Homestead. I had a guy, a bunch of guys up
• 1:10:24
  here that had construction companies with excavators and
• 1:10:27
  bulldozers. They became independently
• 1:10:29
  millionaires by going down to Homestead and getting government
• 1:10:34
  contracts to you know, to clean X amount of neighborhoods and
• 1:10:38
  they would it was name your price back then.
• 1:10:40
  So he, this and then yet other sick but brilliant move is you
• 1:10:45
  follow natural disasters. Because it was going to provide
• 1:10:48
  the camouflage he needed to be. Able to be in the area.
• 1:10:51
  So he's like he laid out this is, this is what I've been
• 1:10:53
  working on right now had you guys not arrested me.
• 1:10:55
  Yeah, so he actually told him what his next MO was going to
• 1:10:59
  be. Yes, because he was.
• 1:11:00
  In the course of dribbling out information, he was keeping them
• 1:11:05
  on the hook but just giving them bread crumbs, right?
• 1:11:09
  But he enjoyed the dynamic. Of and until the breach in
• 1:11:12
  Vermont. Until the breach into Vermont.
• 1:11:13
  The hard tunnel, what we would have found out, you know, what I
• 1:11:17
  love about this Pete and, and this podcast, Deadly Intentions
• 1:11:20
  is that you find these cases that are so sick and in some
• 1:11:25
  cases more so sick and demented than the ones that we publicly
• 1:11:29
  know about that do the media for whatever reason takes an
• 1:11:31
  interest in. And you find these cases that we
• 1:11:34
  really don't know, know a lot about, but are so demented and
• 1:11:37
  so just so deep with with with with sickness and psychological
• 1:11:44
  power. And just, it's unbelievable.
• 1:11:46
  And I just, I can't thank you enough for all the research that
• 1:11:49
  you do and how knowledgeable you are, which I think makes for a
• 1:11:52
  great podcast. Anyway, the podcast is deadly
• 1:11:55
  intentions with Pete, starring Pete.
• 1:11:58
  And I'm just A tag along and and we where we break some of these
• 1:12:02
  lesser known, very, very, very sick and demented people with
• 1:12:07
  with deadly intentions. But with with with regards to
• 1:12:11
  that, we're going to talk about other things.
• 1:12:13
  It's not always going to be about, you know, serial clers.
• 1:12:16
  It's going to be about just just the just the world that we could
• 1:12:20
  get in some cartel drug trafficking stuff.
• 1:12:22
  We could get into some money laundering stuff.
• 1:12:25
  We could get into life inside of the the penitentiary.
• 1:12:28
  That's there's a whole protocol with regards to that.
• 1:12:31
  I talked to Pete one time few hours and was just amazed by
• 1:12:34
  What Car he was in and some of the things that he was able to
• 1:12:37
  do. And so appreciate you appreciate
• 1:12:40
  you sitting through this. I hope that you learned
• 1:12:42
  something. I'm Bubba.
• 1:12:43
  He's Pete. This is deadly intentions.
• 1:12:46
  Look forward to seeing you next time.