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The Way Home Season 4 Listener Mailbag #4 · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark fan. I'm Wendy, I'm
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Speaker 1: a former homemarketer. On today's episode, we are doing our
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Speaker 1: fourth installment of the Way Home season four Listener Mailbag,
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Speaker 1: and it is a long one, so we're going to
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Speaker 1: jump right into it. But the first thing we're going
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Speaker 1: to do is remind you that if you would like
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Speaker 1: to participate in future Listener Mailbag episodes, you can email
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Speaker 1: us hello at Girls Gonehollmark dot com or leave us
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Speaker 1: a voicemail nine four nine three two nine eight zero
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Speaker 1: nine zero. No, there's not a voicemail this week, just
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Speaker 1: a plethora of emails wampomp. We have gone ahead and
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Speaker 1: organized our episode in the same way we did last week,
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Speaker 1: a round subject rather than a round email writer inner,
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Speaker 1: although we are crediting everybody's comments just because I think
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Speaker 1: that makes more sense with this huge list of emails. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we can hit all the same topics without like
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Speaker 1: rebouncing back and forth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, why don't
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Speaker 1: you start us off? Aaron writes in about quote the
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Speaker 1: one and bringing Tessa home. She writes, I think what
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Speaker 1: they mean is that nineteen eighty three Griffin. In nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty three, Tessa jumped back to a year presumably the
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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, and are you guys writing all lit down?
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Speaker 1: And for some reason nineteen eighty three Griffin jumped back
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Speaker 1: to the future without her. Then, for some reason we
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Speaker 1: don't know, nineteen eighty three, Griffin was not able to
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Speaker 1: get back to Tessa because the pond takes you where
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Speaker 1: you need to go, not where you want to go.
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Speaker 1: So nineteen eighty three Tessa is stuck in the past,
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Speaker 1: and no eighteen hundred Landry with time traveling capabilities, is
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Speaker 1: able to get her back to the future. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: have a comment here. I feel like I've just set
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Speaker 1: her an ap math exam. So last week I admit
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Speaker 1: that I made a little bit of a mistake in
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Speaker 1: my understanding of the issue with bringing Tessa home. I
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Speaker 1: mishard what Kat was saying. I thought Kat was saying
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Speaker 1: that Griffin took her there, and then for some reason
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Speaker 1: Griffin wasn't able to bring her back. I thought he
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Speaker 1: went back and wasn't able to bring her back. And
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Speaker 1: then she was saying I can go bring her back
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Speaker 1: because I'm from her same timeline. I rewatched that scene.
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Speaker 1: That is not what she said. She just basically said
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Speaker 1: that the Landrries of that time were not able to
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Speaker 1: bring her back. Okay, so Griffin left her there. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: the eighteen hundred Landries couldn't bring Tessa back because they
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Speaker 1: can't travel forward. And so in lieu of Griffin going back,
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Speaker 1: now Kat thinks she's the one who needs to go
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Speaker 1: back and get Tessa. We got a lot of emails
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Speaker 1: to this effect. I may have confused people more. I
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Speaker 1: do understand what we're working with here, have you? I
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Speaker 1: think no? And honestly, I don't really care because I
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Speaker 1: think it's too complicated. M I care, guys, I care.
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Speaker 1: Please don't send her hate emails to me, because we
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Speaker 1: have a few of them. I care. It's just when
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Speaker 1: it gets too complicated, my brain cannot. Yeah, And how
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Speaker 1: much does it actually matter in the enjoyment of the series, exactly?
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Speaker 1: Like I don't need to understand one point twenty one
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Speaker 1: jigawats to enjoy Marty McFly exactly, And I just want
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Speaker 1: to enjoy the series. I don't want to have to
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Speaker 1: try to figure it out. It's not a race to
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Speaker 1: figure it out. That's true, that's true, but we do
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Speaker 1: have for episodes that we need to recap. Yeah, that's fine, Okay,
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Speaker 1: no problem to mean that. And it's like watching a mystery.
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Speaker 1: I'm not actually all that interested in solving the mystery,
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Speaker 1: nor am I ever going to solve those mystery movies
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Speaker 1: ahead of time? Jen writes in and she says, what
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Speaker 1: if the One is the one who brings Tessa through
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Speaker 1: the Pond? I think most of us have been thinking
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Speaker 1: about the One in terms of guarding the pond or
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Speaker 1: changing time travel, but what if it is particular to
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Speaker 1: Tessa and Fern's history. There's a thought. Jen also says,
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Speaker 1: none of the Landrys from eighteen nine, twenty two, or
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Speaker 1: whatever a year it was until the nineteen twenties can
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Speaker 1: bring her back to nineteen eighty three because they cannot
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Speaker 1: jump to the future. Tessa needs either Griffin or whomever
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Speaker 1: she jumped with, or another nineteen eighty three or later
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Speaker 1: Landry to bring her back to her timeline. And me
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Speaker 1: Alyssa wrapping up this category rights, I'm starting to think
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Speaker 1: that the one Fern keeps repeating is Alice's last name, Dewan.
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Speaker 1: Everybody keeps mentioning that she says, but you're not a boy.
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Speaker 1: This seems like a red herring misunderstanding that the show
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Speaker 1: is known for all good thoughts. Let's talk Tessa. Y'all
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Speaker 1: had lots of thoughts about Tessa. Jen says, Tessa seems
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Speaker 1: too interested in the Landryes nineteen seventy nine. Fern is correct,
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Speaker 1: Tessa wants to marry into the Landry family. I'm also
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Speaker 1: wondering if Tessa is lying about not knowing Fern in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine and she has already done some time
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Speaker 1: travel and has met Fern before. Jen also says, maybe
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Speaker 1: she's a coil. Basically, give her the backstory that everyone thought.
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Speaker 1: Slash thinks about Jasper Thomas passed down the legend of
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Speaker 1: the White Witch time travel Inport Haven. Michelle says, what
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Speaker 1: if that matching handwriting in the almanac and Elligott's letter
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Speaker 1: isn't Tessa's. What if it's Griffin covering Tessa's tracks because
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Speaker 1: he left her in the wrong era and can't get
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Speaker 1: her back. What if one of our main characters, Alice,
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Speaker 1: cat or Jacob are actually who took Tessa to the
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Speaker 1: nineteen twenties and left her there. She also says, is
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Speaker 1: Tessa Cassandra the goodwind Sister, or did Tessa masquerade at
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Speaker 1: some point as cat Aka the White Witch. Brittany says
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Speaker 1: Tessa seems lost even in the late seventies. She seems
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Speaker 1: to not quite know where she came from and envies
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Speaker 1: those who have deep roots and feels she doesn't belong.
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Speaker 1: I bet when Kat finds Tessa, she won't want to
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Speaker 1: return to the present, and she says, did she marry
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Speaker 1: Vic just to get access to the Augustine home. It's
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Speaker 1: looking that way, but I don't want it to look
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Speaker 1: that way. Vic said. Tessa went through the entire house,
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Speaker 1: making it at home. It sounds like she was looking
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Speaker 1: for the clock and didn't find it because she only
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Speaker 1: had a vague clue. That's interesting. M Finally we see
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Speaker 1: calculating behavior from Tessa, who steals from the more naive
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Speaker 1: coil of the series. I wanted to be a misunderstanding,
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Speaker 1: but she doesn't appear desperate here, and she seems to
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Speaker 1: be manipulating Alice too. Francisco says something's up with Tessa.
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Speaker 1: She's too nosy, and honestly, she seems like the type
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Speaker 1: of person who'd snoop in your medicine cabinets, and Aaron says,
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Speaker 1: the handwriting cat is claiming as Tessa's, but we don't
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Speaker 1: know if we're sure that it's Tessa's. We just know
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Speaker 1: that it belongs to ever wrote the letter. Was the
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Speaker 1: letter written by Tessa or is it written by someone
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Speaker 1: else that wrote down what they know Tessa wanted them
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Speaker 1: to say? The only other letter we have of quote
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Speaker 1: hers is typewritten. Yeah. That's what's frustrating with some of
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Speaker 1: these episodes is they make these like leaps, yes, like
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Speaker 1: they think they're fact, but we don't know for sure
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Speaker 1: if they are fact or not, and then we just
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Speaker 1: start to accept this yact exactly. M hmm, exactly. Do
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Speaker 1: you have any other thoughts about Tessa? No, my head hurts.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Fern. Okay, Brittany wrote in and writes,
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Speaker 1: I suspect an older Tessa befriended a younger Fern. Fern
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Speaker 1: possibly believes that she's protecting Tessa, but later believes she
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Speaker 1: was mistaken in their friendship when she becomes furious with
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Speaker 1: a younger Tessa. Mmmm. Is this explaining why Fern flips
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Speaker 1: out when she sees that young Tessa. Yeah, maybe there's
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Speaker 1: betrayal in her past. Oh yeah, perhaps. Brittany also wrote,
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Speaker 1: Grayson Goodwin is not just her fiance but also her
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Speaker 1: boss and her landlord. If they were to get married,
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Speaker 1: he would inherit landry farms. What other powers does he
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Speaker 1: have over her? It seems like it could potentially be
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Speaker 1: a very toxic relationship. Yeah. Hm, I would agree that
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Speaker 1: we do not know enough about Grayson at this point
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Speaker 1: because Ern in that last episode she said it's not Grayson, like,
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Speaker 1: he's not the one responsible, he's not working with the
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Speaker 1: Augie Boys all of that. But is she covering for him? Is?
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Speaker 1: Does she not know? I think Fern's a very unreliable narrator. Hmm.
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Speaker 1: She's always putting on an act. Yeah, Aaron writes, and
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Speaker 1: young Fern said that she's the song Tainted Love for
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Speaker 1: as long as she can remember, so obviously somebody taught
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Speaker 1: it to her, maybe Tessa, Maybe Tessa. Francisco writes in
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Speaker 1: as far as Fern goes, she came across to the
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Speaker 1: average person as someone who was sundowning, so she can
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Speaker 1: really avoid suspicion unintentionally that way. Oh that's interesting, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So do the listeners know what sundowning is? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's only a term I've recently learned. My understanding is
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Speaker 1: that it's a person who is maybe experiencing some form
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Speaker 1: of dementia. It's worse in the afternoon. That's why they
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Speaker 1: call it sundowning and things. They get more confused and
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Speaker 1: agitated during that time period. So Francisco thinkstat Fern is
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Speaker 1: putting that on potential. I'll say people will ever stop
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Speaker 1: asking questions, all right. I have some thoughts from Alyssa
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Speaker 1: about the baby by the pond. Alyssa says, I'm starting
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Speaker 1: to think that the scene of two people leaving the
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Speaker 1: baby by the pond is not Tessa leaving Elliott, but
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Speaker 1: another event of a baby being left by the pond.
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Speaker 1: If we look at the cellab out of the person
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Speaker 1: writing the letter, it's clearly a woman with long, black, wavy,
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Speaker 1: curly hair. From what we've seen of Elliott's mom, she
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Speaker 1: has brown, straight hair, but we've seen Alice after being
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Speaker 1: in the pond, have wavy hair. Additionally, the person that
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Speaker 1: jumps with the letter writer has short brown hair. We
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Speaker 1: are led to believe it's Griffin, but I think it's
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Speaker 1: probably Casey, who has shoulder length brown hair. I'm willing
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Speaker 1: to accept that it's not Tessa jumping in the pond.
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Speaker 1: Are you willing to accept that it's not Elliott who's
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Speaker 1: the baby in the basket? Not at this point, like
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Speaker 1: there's two babies that were left on the banks of
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Speaker 1: the pond. Yeah, I'm not ready to make the jump,
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Speaker 1: but I am willing to accept that maybe it wasn't
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Speaker 1: Tessa in that moment. Elyssa also says it could be
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Speaker 1: the reason that Fern made up the story of who
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Speaker 1: the father of her baby is, it's because she doesn't
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Speaker 1: actually know. I'm thinking that if the scene by the
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Speaker 1: pond is a separate baby being left by the pond,
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Speaker 1: it could be that Fern found that baby and adopted it.
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Speaker 1: But if Fern is a Landry, how does the Landry
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Speaker 1: bloodline continue if she adopts a baby unless there's additional
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Speaker 1: babies in fallsd Yeah, I don't know. There are some
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Speaker 1: Casey theories coming in. Are you interested in hearing them?
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Speaker 1: I am? I mean, I don't am Casey theories. It's
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Speaker 1: I think four and four episodes generates and maybe somehow
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Speaker 1: Tessa and Casey met when they were more or less
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Speaker 1: the same age and became friends. Casey tells Tessa about
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Speaker 1: time travel and that they can take her to Griffin. Maybe.
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Speaker 1: At some point, Tessa does find Griffin and Casey leaves them.
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Speaker 1: Tessa and Griffin get married and have a kid who
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Speaker 1: will become Casey. H I feel like now we're venturing
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Speaker 1: into fanfic. Oh don't you think so? There has been
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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about case recently because of this
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Speaker 1: last episode, and one of the theories is further down
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Speaker 1: in this discussion. Okay, jenerates and my number one theory
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Speaker 1: is still Casey is from further down the timeline, so
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Speaker 1: can be all three bloodlines, meaning they're in Augustine, a Goodwin,
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Speaker 1: and a Landry and that's way down the way down
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Speaker 1: the time. M Okay, wow, Alyssa writes, the woman at
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Speaker 1: the bar feels like she might be Jacob's future wife
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Speaker 1: and potentially the mother of case. I think Casey is
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Speaker 1: Jacob's child. In season three, he told Elliott that he
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Speaker 1: wants to have a wife and children, so this feels
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Speaker 1: like a continuation of that. Aaron says. The random girl
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Speaker 1: at the bar talking to Jacob looks strikingly similar to case.
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Speaker 1: I don't take much stock in actors appearances because it
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Speaker 1: has to just do with casting. But if that's the
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Speaker 1: case they're trying to build, or maybe they're throwing out
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Speaker 1: a red herring, it's very convincing. If the argument against
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Speaker 1: that is the ring around Casey's neck, Alice could have
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Speaker 1: gifted her ring to Jacob if he was wanting to
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Speaker 1: propose but didn't have the means to buy a ring.
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Speaker 1: So I have a couple of comments about that scene
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Speaker 1: in the bar with the woman, the blowhard man and
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Speaker 1: the woman and Jake have a little bit of a connection.
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Speaker 1: We were like, who's that woman. She's not in the credits,
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Speaker 1: and as of the end of that episode, she was
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Speaker 1: not listed on IMDb. And then the day after we
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Speaker 1: recorded that episode, I texted Wendy because Spencer Macpherson posted
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Speaker 1: a picture with his wife and I was like, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, is this the same woman? And I sent
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Speaker 1: it to Wendy and you were like maybe. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment, DMed Spencer and I
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Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, is your wife in this episode?
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Speaker 1: He was like, Oh my gosh, I haven't seen the episode,
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Speaker 1: but did she sneak in because she was on set
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Speaker 1: that day? And I was like, oh, this is not her,
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Speaker 1: and so I explained he goes, oh, He's like, that's
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Speaker 1: a great actress. Her name is Holly Devaux and he
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Speaker 1: said something like fun things are coming. Oh. Then spoiler.
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Speaker 1: Alexandra Clark had posted an image of the bar and
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Speaker 1: I was like, I need to know who was in
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Speaker 1: the bar. M Alexandra Clark commented, Oh, there are a
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Speaker 1: couple of people who are pretty significant at that bar.
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Speaker 1: So there has been a lot of speculation that the
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Speaker 1: woman in the bar is either a future Casey or
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Speaker 1: the mother of Casey somehow related to the character of Casey. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's some people are like, is it Claire.
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Speaker 1: Obviously that doesn't make sense. Yeah. Now I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: their conversation. It was they were calling each other like
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Speaker 1: old soul or something. Are they calling each other old
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Speaker 1: soul something along those lines, yes, yeah, But the vibes
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Speaker 1: I got between them were like romantic, romantic, and not
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Speaker 1: like that's not a paternal one. No no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: no no. Nobody was saying that that's his child. Okay,
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Speaker 1: they were suggesting it was a romantic interest. Okay, depending
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Speaker 1: on who that person is, they're of the same age.
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Speaker 1: Who are the couple other people in the bar that
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Speaker 1: are significant, Well, the woman is one of them, and
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the man is significant or is
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Speaker 1: she talking about Thomas In that case, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's all we saw in the bar. That's always ever
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Speaker 1: saw anybody else in the bar. So it's one of
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Speaker 1: those two. Oh, let's take it back break and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna come right back to talk more of your theories
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Speaker 1: about the way home. Let's talk about the clock and
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Speaker 1: the piano. Chris says, my new theory is that the
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Speaker 1: clock might allow someone who's not a Landry to time travel,
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Speaker 1: but probably only at eleven eleven. Oh, I like that idea.
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Speaker 1: Chris also sent in a screenshot, and this was a
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Speaker 1: screenshot that Sadie La Flame Snow had posted of the
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Speaker 1: lyrics to the song that Alice and Colton sing together,
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Speaker 1: and Chris said, I'm particularly focused on that third verse,
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Speaker 1: which says, so I just breathe, hope the water brings
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Speaker 1: you back to me. Oh no, and I always sing
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Speaker 1: it okay, And I wish for this wish to come true.
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Speaker 1: Let the water bring me back to you. The theory
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Speaker 1: about the clock allowing someone who's not a landry to
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Speaker 1: time travel talking about the water bringing me back to you.
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Speaker 1: Chris thinks that's particularly significant. Oh, I thought the significance
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Speaker 1: was a wish for this wish to come true. And
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Speaker 1: we talked about wishes at eleven eleven. Yeah, maybe it's
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Speaker 1: all tied, but but there's something there. I think I
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Speaker 1: think there's something there too. I think the song has meaning.
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Speaker 1: Aaron says the piano key. Yeah, show never makes a
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Speaker 1: note of something if it won't possibly be relevant some
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Speaker 1: other time. What's making the piano key stick something hidden
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Speaker 1: inside of the piano. Is that the piano from the
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Speaker 1: speakeasy joint that is now in the landry? Ow love that.
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Speaker 1: I noticed that too. Elliot's like, oh, yeah, you're the
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Speaker 1: key is sticky. We didn't mention it at all. We didn't.
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Speaker 1: I remembered it when we got this email. You want
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Speaker 1: to talk about the almanac? Okay? Aaron Wrights? Why capital
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Speaker 1: w h hy was Elijah so concerned about losing the
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Speaker 1: almanac and the fire to the point that he risked
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Speaker 1: Jacob's life to get it back? What power does that
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Speaker 1: thing wield? It was literally a pamphlet in the eighteen
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Speaker 1: fourteen slash sixteen storyline. They could have just gotten another
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Speaker 1: and rewritten it, unless the almanac holds some sort of
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Speaker 1: untold power. Hmm. Michelle writes Jacob left the past sometime
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Speaker 1: in the early eighteen hundreds. Tessa must have been at
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Speaker 1: the Landry farm when Elijah's son Jacob died in the
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Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds. In order to have written the date,
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Speaker 1: she must have met the Landrys and buried her suitcase
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Speaker 1: at that time. She buried her suitcase in the eighteen hundreds,
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Speaker 1: she had like a driver's license that she brought with
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Speaker 1: her from right. Oh, yeah, it was kind of hidden. Hmmm.
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Speaker 1: I mean as hidden as you can get. Yeah. Michelle
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Speaker 1: also writes the Jacob Landry whose death was listed in
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Speaker 1: the family record was the grandson of Elijah, the founding father.
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Speaker 1: Elijah's son William, who grew up with our Jacob as
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Speaker 1: his older adopted brother, named his son the one listed
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Speaker 1: in the record after him. This means both Jacobs were
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Speaker 1: named after each other. Question mark, that's interesting. That's weird,
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Speaker 1: super weird. Let's talk about Nick. Brittany says Nick found
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Speaker 1: out about time travel from Elliott's journal, and he has
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Speaker 1: had an entire year to stew about real time travel,
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Speaker 1: so him being excited to actually go does not seem
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Speaker 1: at all out of character for him. To me, he
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Speaker 1: probably feels like a goony and Marty McFly and Bruce
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Speaker 1: Lee or the Karate Kid all wrapped into one. I
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Speaker 1: have some thoughts about Nick that we'll hear in this
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Speaker 1: week's episode. Alyssa says when Kat was saying she was
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Speaker 1: going back to the twenties, Alice said it wasn't safe,
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Speaker 1: and Nick volunteered to go. I loved when he said
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Speaker 1: I'm going into the time machine again. It brought some
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Speaker 1: comedy into the episode. Jen says, I'm really hoping that
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Speaker 1: the writers of the show just want someone besides Elliott,
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Speaker 1: Dell or Alice to travel with Kat to spell things
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Speaker 1: out for the audience since she is no longer trusting Fern.
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Speaker 1: Nick is good at being the person to ask for
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Speaker 1: recaps and get things spelled out. You guys are onto
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Speaker 1: something here, and Brittany says, I was glad to see Nick,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure we won't be seeing much of him
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Speaker 1: anymore very soon. He either gets trapped in the past
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Speaker 1: and stays with Fern, or he's one of the five
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Speaker 1: good Men. Who goes into the tunnels, Is he going
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Speaker 1: to be the one who doesn't come out? Well, if
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Speaker 1: he doesn't come out, then he's But then he'd be
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Speaker 1: dead in the future. No, not now though, like he'd
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Speaker 1: be dead after what we've seen him. But he's not
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Speaker 1: going to go back and eliminate like if twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: six Nick goes to the past, it's not going to
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Speaker 1: like erase him like a photo if he dies in
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Speaker 1: the past Marty McFly style. Yeah, it doesn't seem to
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Speaker 1: work that way. Okay. Speaking of the tunnels and the explosion,
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Speaker 1: five went in, four came out five. When Brittany writes
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Speaker 1: someone gets shot by someone with Grace and Goodwin's gun,
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Speaker 1: Inspector Caine seems dissatisfied with his job and wants to
19:11
Speaker 1: do a big bust. He, like Nick, is looking for
19:14
Speaker 1: some excitement. Brittany also writes, it also seems odd that
19:19
Speaker 1: Fern can just pay bail for someone who has no
19:22
Speaker 1: identity when bail is supposed to be set for people
19:24
Speaker 1: with upcoming court dates. I mean, look, Inspector Caine is
19:28
Speaker 1: just running this whole operation by himself, so he's probably like, whatever,
19:31
Speaker 1: take cut off my hands. Yeah, He's like, I kind
19:34
Speaker 1: of have a sauce spot for Fern, so she can
19:36
Speaker 1: just do whatever she wants. Yeah, bigger fish to fry
19:38
Speaker 1: here with these Augie brothers. See mm hm tap tap
19:45
Speaker 1: cigar out of the side of my mouth like a
19:47
Speaker 1: cartoon villain. Dan jknot nothing but love, Jacob, let's talk, Jacob.
19:54
Speaker 1: Francisco says, Oh, Jacob, he's imagining Thomas, go back to
19:58
Speaker 1: where you came from. Thomas, pot your tongue. Franc Lets go,
20:01
Speaker 1: Francisco that you were on our side, and doesn't seem
20:03
Speaker 1: to realize him being away isn't doing the family any good.
20:07
Speaker 1: I wish Elliot had slapped him across the face like
20:09
Speaker 1: Vito Corleone did to Johnny Fontana and the Godfather. All
20:13
Speaker 1: Jacob does is wine, Francisco. They're gonna come for you
20:16
Speaker 1: next week's emails. Yeah, if you're please in the subject
20:20
Speaker 1: line right in regard to Francister, so we know that
20:24
Speaker 1: it's not directed at us, because Jack, he did not change.
20:28
Speaker 1: Jacob is dealing with a lot of trauma. He has
20:32
Speaker 1: caused his family a lot of anguish. But I have
20:35
Speaker 1: a needle point project that says, are you mad at me?
20:37
Speaker 1: I can understand Jacob being like, they don't they don't
20:40
Speaker 1: need me, like I'm hurting them. Yeah, it can definitely
20:43
Speaker 1: understand any Agram nine's man pov Alyssa says, Finally, Elliott
20:48
Speaker 1: from season one makes a rare appearance. He apologized to
20:51
Speaker 1: Dell and went to have a heart to heart with
20:53
Speaker 1: Jacob about coming home. I don't love that we had
20:55
Speaker 1: to browbeat him into being the old Elliot by reminding
20:58
Speaker 1: him of Dell's losses Jacob missed twice and the miscarriagees
21:01
Speaker 1: she had before Kat to do it. Brittany says the
21:04
Speaker 1: bits with Jacob hallucinating were interesting. Hopefully this foreshadows Jacob's
21:08
Speaker 1: returned to Port Haven. Now, do you consider him hallucinating
21:12
Speaker 1: or is it kind of like No, I think it's
21:14
Speaker 1: like if you were talking to yourself. Yeah, like Thomas
21:17
Speaker 1: is the reflection of like, maybe not the reflection of yourself,
21:20
Speaker 1: but the angel on your shoulder, the devil's advocate, so
21:24
Speaker 1: to speak, the alternate perspective, And it's fun for us
21:27
Speaker 1: to see Thomas again. Yeah, like you said, I don't
21:29
Speaker 1: think it would hold any weight to it if he
21:32
Speaker 1: was just talking to some random like looking at himself
21:35
Speaker 1: in the mirror. You look at himself talking to some
21:36
Speaker 1: random bar manager or some random customer. Yeah, that the
21:40
Speaker 1: bar patron who's in there getting a drink. And Jacob's like, yeah,
21:44
Speaker 1: I can't go home, and he's like, well, maybe your
21:46
Speaker 1: mom misses you. Like that's yeah, doesn't have any meaning.
21:49
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Dell and Sam. Alyssa writes, I don't
21:54
Speaker 1: love that Dale torpedoed her relationship with Sam because of
21:57
Speaker 1: Nick's dad. Julian is smarmy and fake. When she was
22:01
Speaker 1: saying that Sam doesn't care Slash fight for the relationship,
22:05
Speaker 1: I was thinking, maybe he just trusts you and doesn't
22:08
Speaker 1: have to worry that you cheat on him. How do
22:11
Speaker 1: you feel? Do you feel like bad for Sam that
22:15
Speaker 1: Delle kind of like blew up their spot. I didn't
22:18
Speaker 1: think Sam had done anything wrong me neither. I didn't
22:22
Speaker 1: find him to be I said this in the episode.
22:23
Speaker 1: I didn't find him to be taking advantage of her.
22:26
Speaker 1: I think being comfortable in a relationship and not getting
22:29
Speaker 1: up and being like that's my lady, move on over
22:32
Speaker 1: Julian Gole's baby. I want right, yes, just somebody that
22:36
Speaker 1: he just wants to hang out with her I think
22:38
Speaker 1: Dell was being self destructive. Totally Francisco, guys, Guys, again
22:45
Speaker 1: for Francisco, those emails, He writes, Dell's annoying. Heaven forbid
22:50
Speaker 1: two older people can be comfortable what she want from
22:53
Speaker 1: Sam constant knights on the town to the two restaurants
22:57
Speaker 1: in town? Are there two either too? I feel like
23:01
Speaker 1: I've only seen one, you know, only been to the point.
23:03
Speaker 1: If I were Sam, I say, I'm too old for
23:05
Speaker 1: this high school drama piece. I man, I kind of
23:09
Speaker 1: feel bad for Sam a little bit, you know, of course.
23:11
Speaker 1: I mean, is Dell the only plan in town? No Rita, Dell, Sam,
23:16
Speaker 1: Rita's available, baby. I just feel like this is like
23:19
Speaker 1: that manufactured drama we get there from young girls who
23:22
Speaker 1: are always like, we're gonna fight about this. Yeah, yeah,
23:26
Speaker 1: this is not a real fight. Yeah, Brittane writes, Dell
23:29
Speaker 1: is reliving her own trauma, and so is Stormy. She's
23:33
Speaker 1: trapped in grief cycle and everyone's leaving her again. Wait
23:37
Speaker 1: Stormy the horse. Yes, because Stormy is traumatized by the
23:42
Speaker 1: by the rock, by the woods, the path to the pond.
23:46
Speaker 1: This freaking horse, I'm telling you, guys, freaking horse O
23:49
Speaker 1: kidd o, gee, are you ready? Let's talk about Elliott.
23:54
Speaker 1: Brittany says, I very much disagree that he should be
23:56
Speaker 1: dealing with any of this maturely, especially since he doesn't
23:58
Speaker 1: have anyone to give him counseling or even good parenting,
24:02
Speaker 1: which he should have had a very long time ago,
24:05
Speaker 1: considering all the trauma and the revelations tied to that trauma.
24:09
Speaker 1: An emotionally abusive dad, a selfish mom who left an
24:12
Speaker 1: unstable home life, the shock of Alice killing his dream
24:15
Speaker 1: of being the only person who never left him, so
24:18
Speaker 1: huge abandonment issues which never got addressed. I mean that's
24:24
Speaker 1: super fair. I think so too. Brittany says, part of
24:27
Speaker 1: Elliott is just wanting what any guy wants, a wife,
24:29
Speaker 1: a family, and to feel secure emotionally in a stable
24:32
Speaker 1: home life. But Kat is not a band aid, and
24:34
Speaker 1: getting married and having children won't fix his issues. That
24:39
Speaker 1: is true too. I yeah, totally agree with that. Cindy says,
24:44
Speaker 1: I don't understand by so many people are making fun
24:47
Speaker 1: of Elliott this season. I felt like I was listening
24:49
Speaker 1: to middle schoolers. I've seen several interviews with Evan Williams,
24:53
Speaker 1: and you can tell how hard he works to portray
24:55
Speaker 1: Elliott and tell his story all throughout the series, and
24:58
Speaker 1: especially this final season. It makes my heart hurt that
25:02
Speaker 1: all these people are mocking the character when Evan was
25:05
Speaker 1: so excited for people to see his story and work
25:07
Speaker 1: this season. That's we talked about this particular comment before
25:14
Speaker 1: we started recording, and I think I think there's two
25:16
Speaker 1: important things. One, the actor is not the character. Not
25:21
Speaker 1: liking a character doesn't mean we don't have the most
25:24
Speaker 1: respect for Evan William totally. The other thing is not
25:28
Speaker 1: all characters are meant to be unflawed, and sometimes the
25:33
Speaker 1: only way we can see the growth of a character
25:36
Speaker 1: is by noticing their flaws. And I think it's okay
25:41
Speaker 1: for Elliott to have a lot of growth, and I
25:44
Speaker 1: think people might be pleasantly surprised by Elliott in the
25:47
Speaker 1: next episode of The Way Home. Yeah, two name guys,
25:51
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe. But I have to say, I
25:54
Speaker 1: hear the criticism and I don't want to come for
25:57
Speaker 1: an actor. That's there was a comment later in this
26:00
Speaker 1: email that says, you know you wouldn't come for someone
26:02
Speaker 1: in a movie like this, We would. We've talked a
26:04
Speaker 1: lot about character flaws in the movies, and we're not
26:07
Speaker 1: coming from the actors. And no characters are flawed. They
26:10
Speaker 1: have problems. Some characters are unlikable intentionally, sometimes we have
26:14
Speaker 1: a villain and playing that character well means that the
26:17
Speaker 1: audience doesn't like you. So I hear the criticism that
26:22
Speaker 1: it may come off as criticizing Evan Williams, and that's
26:25
Speaker 1: not my personal intent, and I know that's not your intent. No,
26:28
Speaker 1: not at all. Never trying to shit on an actor. Never.
26:33
Speaker 1: As Wendy pointed out, we come for Cat too. We do.
26:36
Speaker 1: Did I do that? Yeah? Every episode We've talked about it. Yes,
26:40
Speaker 1: So these characters are not perfect people. Speaking of Cat, yeah,
26:46
Speaker 1: Jen wrote that same mentality that she can use the
26:49
Speaker 1: pond to fix things instead of staying in the present
26:52
Speaker 1: and dealing with the fallout has remained. I do think
26:55
Speaker 1: that her not growing is what frustrates people, but I
26:58
Speaker 1: kind of like watching someone so trapped in their trauma. However,
27:02
Speaker 1: as it is the last season, I do think we
27:05
Speaker 1: need to see Cat grow beyond it and finally figure
27:09
Speaker 1: out what she is doing in the present. I agree
27:15
Speaker 1: with that. Francisco writes she's shutting the Harald down because
27:19
Speaker 1: it wasn't as good as it was when Fern ran it.
27:23
Speaker 1: Fern was running it as if it was page six.
27:26
Speaker 1: She was hardly the Joan Didion of her day. Did
27:29
Speaker 1: Cat say that? Did Cat? No? Wait, Fern likened herself
27:34
Speaker 1: to wanting to be like Joan Didion right when they
27:36
Speaker 1: first meet. Okay, do you remember that Cat say that
27:41
Speaker 1: it's not as good as it used to be? I
27:43
Speaker 1: can't remember specifically. I think she just was really running it.
27:46
Speaker 1: She's just running the writing the society right, it's Grayson's,
27:51
Speaker 1: Grayson's newspaper. I think Kat is like looking at the
27:54
Speaker 1: Herald and comparing it to nineteen twenty five and being like, oh,
27:58
Speaker 1: it was so lively here, like you know, because Ferne
28:01
Speaker 1: was living there. You know, there was like life there,
28:04
Speaker 1: and when she goes to the Herald, it's just all
28:06
Speaker 1: like archives and mysteries basically. Well, and we have the Internet,
28:12
Speaker 1: so producing you know, print media is valuable, but producing
28:17
Speaker 1: a print newspaper in a small town is never going
28:20
Speaker 1: to be as important as it was one hundred years
28:23
Speaker 1: ago when it was the sole source of information. I mean,
28:26
Speaker 1: we've all seen Devilwaar's Product Part two. I mean, you
28:29
Speaker 1: and I have seen it. Yeah, it's the death of
28:32
Speaker 1: print media. I know it's kind of sad. Actually, yeah,
28:36
Speaker 1: I love a good magazine. Okay, moving on, we're still
28:40
Speaker 1: talking about cat Hare. Alyssa says, Kat close the paper.
28:43
Speaker 1: Thank you for finally acknowledging that she is never working.
28:47
Speaker 1: We had the storyline for all of two minutes in
28:49
Speaker 1: season two where she messed up the paper on Founder's Day,
28:52
Speaker 1: and then have not really seen her do the job
28:55
Speaker 1: for the last two seasons. I agree. This is why
28:58
Speaker 1: I thought that is it's so weird that they would
29:01
Speaker 1: like bring it up again in season four. Just let
29:05
Speaker 1: it go away unless it plays a role somehow. Well.
29:09
Speaker 1: I think we just needed to get back into the
29:11
Speaker 1: Herald offices for some reason, to be digging through those archives.
29:15
Speaker 1: That's where she finds Cassandra Grayson's sister and potentially some
29:19
Speaker 1: future information and not to like it to Gilmore Girls
29:24
Speaker 1: once again. But it's kind of like the Jackson Town
29:26
Speaker 1: Selectman storyline. Yeah, we were watching it. My daughter goes,
29:30
Speaker 1: when did Taylor become the town selectman again? I was like, yeah,
29:34
Speaker 1: he just does, like they just don't you know. Yeah, finally,
29:40
Speaker 1: Aaron Wright, this episode was like a junk drawer, a
29:45
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that doesn't really go together, but you
29:48
Speaker 1: don't want to throw it out because someday it might
29:50
Speaker 1: be relevant later on interest. Yeah. Interesting. Well, this whole
29:57
Speaker 1: season I think has been like that. Yeah, that's what
30:01
Speaker 1: I wonder. It's so interesting to me as a viewer
30:08
Speaker 1: to watch when the shift is going to happen, that
30:11
Speaker 1: they know that the season is going this is going
30:13
Speaker 1: to be their last, because as of right now, I
30:15
Speaker 1: feel like we just have all this build up and
30:17
Speaker 1: we could continue on sure for two more seasons with
30:20
Speaker 1: just like all the stuff that they've been adding. Absolutely,
30:23
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the shift of like it's
30:26
Speaker 1: going to be a hard left turn I think. I
30:28
Speaker 1: think I imagine so too. Because we're halfway through without
30:32
Speaker 1: any answers. Right, let's talk about Evelyn and the White Witch.
30:37
Speaker 1: Aaron says Evelyn's obsession with the White Witch was noted
30:40
Speaker 1: by Elliott when going through her papers. Is it because
30:43
Speaker 1: the White Witch Kat saved her when she was younger
30:47
Speaker 1: or something more? Could Evelyn know more than she's letting on.
30:50
Speaker 1: Aaron also says Alice explaining everything to her could explain
30:54
Speaker 1: why Evelyn left all of her records to the Herald.
30:57
Speaker 1: Perhaps Alice told her that if she did, it would
30:59
Speaker 1: help solve some of the mysteries that have been surrounding
31:01
Speaker 1: Port Haven for centuries. Alice has broken the rules before
31:05
Speaker 1: by telling Colton his future, knowing that he was going
31:08
Speaker 1: to die soon. I just implored that you guys have
31:12
Speaker 1: all these details still. Well, you know what was funny
31:15
Speaker 1: There was some speculation online that someone was saying, does
31:19
Speaker 1: Alice make it back in time to be with Evelyn
31:22
Speaker 1: when she dies? Because remember in the first season they
31:25
Speaker 1: have this whole thing about Evelyn dying low in that
31:29
Speaker 1: house looking out at the yard, and I wonder if
31:32
Speaker 1: we're going to come back around to that moment. I
31:34
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, being up in an eighties tower, right,
31:39
Speaker 1: hmmm mmm, that's didn't she die? Like didn't they say,
31:44
Speaker 1: like remember those scenes like they had like her binoculars
31:47
Speaker 1: and stuff from the window. And then we hear earlier
31:50
Speaker 1: this season her husband Ash tells a story about like
31:55
Speaker 1: being jumping from the Yeah, let's talk Grayson's sister Cassandra.
32:03
Speaker 1: Aaron says, Grayson's sister Cassandra, how did she die? Why
32:08
Speaker 1: was she brought up? Question? Mark question Mark. I think
32:11
Speaker 1: you guys might get some answers. Yeah, I get that.
32:15
Speaker 1: Alyssa writes the fact that Grayson has a missing sister,
32:18
Speaker 1: why do we need another mystery about a missing child?
32:21
Speaker 1: This seems completely unnecessary. Maybe they're setting up season five
32:26
Speaker 1: here where they're like, now we're going to try to
32:27
Speaker 1: bring Cassandra home from somewhere. Or is Cassandra dead? A
32:30
Speaker 1: Cara Sandra died, Okay, maybe she's the one that was
32:34
Speaker 1: in the five win in four came. I don't know
32:39
Speaker 1: all right. Regarding the pacing of the season, Jen says,
32:42
Speaker 1: I think the fact that we are in episodes done
32:43
Speaker 1: before they knew they were ending the series, but now
32:46
Speaker 1: watching we know that it is ending, this season makes
32:48
Speaker 1: it really hard to watch. I do think the last
32:51
Speaker 1: two episodes will be very right. That will be terrible
32:54
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I mean, if they're rushed, it's right
32:56
Speaker 1: on pace with the rest of the season so far.
32:59
Speaker 1: It's such a deluge of information. Yeah, Francisco says this
33:04
Speaker 1: was another filler episode. I thought we got next to
33:06
Speaker 1: nothing and now we're going to a new time. Ugh,
33:08
Speaker 1: this season is leaving a lot to be desired. Let
33:10
Speaker 1: me start a new email Francisco at Girls Founder Mark,
33:14
Speaker 1: we appreciate your hot takes. I like that people are
33:19
Speaker 1: saying if they like it or if they don't like it, Right,
33:22
Speaker 1: we all have an opinion. Yeah, okay, these are some
33:25
Speaker 1: miscellaneous observation Shannon from Australia. Yes, she writes, finding myself
33:31
Speaker 1: having a bit of a giggle thinking about the show.
33:34
Speaker 1: How on earth is Alice graduating when she surely misses
33:38
Speaker 1: so much school? No one ever queries it, Hey, Alice,
33:41
Speaker 1: where have you been? What are you doing here? Loca?
33:44
Speaker 1: I don't know why that? What is from? Oh? Twilight? Oh?
33:47
Speaker 1: I have never seen Twilight. Oh you're missing out on
33:50
Speaker 1: some quality cinema. Yeah. I think that's why most of
33:53
Speaker 1: our activities happened during the summer. Other than the first season,
33:57
Speaker 1: we just fast forward through most of the year. Hannah
34:00
Speaker 1: on YouTube, Hey, I love that somebody left to comment
34:04
Speaker 1: on YouTube. She writes so many questions with so little answers.
34:08
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm putting a puzzle together with all
34:10
Speaker 1: sky and grass and no outer edges. Damn, Hannah, isn't
34:14
Speaker 1: that that's my favorite moment? Way to be a writer.
34:17
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I can feel the frustration. There's
34:20
Speaker 1: one more comment that didn't get copied over here, but
34:23
Speaker 1: David on YouTube commented, it's perhaps overblown here, but people
34:27
Speaker 1: in the Atlantic Canada are well known to lustily sing
34:31
Speaker 1: songs like that he's talking about VI. Really, I highly
34:35
Speaker 1: recommend a trip to numerous bars in Halifax or Saint John's,
34:39
Speaker 1: for example. Well fun, yeah, well that's I love that insight.
34:45
Speaker 1: I do too. It was like so corny, but if
34:47
Speaker 1: that's like really a thing, yeah great. Gat Well, thank
34:53
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