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Judge Puts Limits on Kennedy Center Changes, Lindsay Clancy Holdout Juror Breaks His Silence, and Diddy Battles His Own Lawyers · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: A federal judge is stepping in as the fight over
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  Speaker 1: the Kennedy Center takes another turn. All of this so
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  Speaker 1: that he can have his name on the building.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that no Democrat and no Republican thinks that
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  Speaker 2: this is behavior appropriate for a president of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: And the lone holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy case
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  Speaker 1: is breaking his silence. and defending his decision that led
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  Speaker 1: to a mistrial.
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  Speaker 3: He never displayed or said anything about reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: And Diddy and his lawyers are fighting over money. They
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  Speaker 1: say he hasn't paid them. Diddy says they're the problem.
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  Speaker 1: It's Monday, September 21st. From the Black Effect Podcast Network,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brown. This is Front Page, and here are
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  Speaker 1: the day's biggest stories. Stay with me. A federal judge
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  Speaker 1: is telling the Trump administration, if you're planning to tear
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  Speaker 1: down the Kennedy Center, you have to give 30 days
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  Speaker 1: notice first. President Trump was photographed on Air Force One
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  Speaker 1: looking at a placard that appeared to say Kennedy Center demolished.
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  Speaker 1: It appeared to show plans for tearing down the building.
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  Speaker 1: And Trump himself talked about the possibility.
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  Speaker 4: The Kennedy Center for many years has lost tens of
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  Speaker 4: millions of dollars, even hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: It's a loser.
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  Speaker 5: Financially.
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  Speaker 4: And many of the places like that, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: Carnegie Hall and the various places throughout the country, they
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  Speaker 4: lose a lot of money for me to go and
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  Speaker 4: fix it. I'm the one capable of fixing it and
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  Speaker 4: then have to subsidize it for years to come because
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  Speaker 4: you will lose with the Kennedy Center. They were losing
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  Speaker 4: hundreds of millions of dollars and sometimes hundreds of millions.
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  Speaker 4: This is before I got involved. So for the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 4: for me, to get involved and to take that on
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  Speaker 4: long term and to carry it or to raise money
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  Speaker 4: to carry it, I think that the Trump administration should
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  Speaker 4: certainly have recognition. Because frankly, if we don't do that,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to close. It'll end up being ripped down.
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  Speaker 4: It's in very, very bad shape, very dangerous shape. You
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  Speaker 4: see steel falling down. You see plaster falling off ceilings.
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  Speaker 4: You see a lot of dangers. It's been very badly
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  Speaker 4: maintained for 25 years.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what's happening. The Kennedy Center is already closed.
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  Speaker 1: Its executive director says the closure is temporary for seven
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  Speaker 1: days and they'll reevaluate it every week. But the judge
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  Speaker 1: in the case now wants another update by Wednesday. And
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  Speaker 1: he ordered the administration to give at least 30 days
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  Speaker 1: notice before taking any steps to demolish the main building. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there are really two fights happening here. One is about
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  Speaker 1: the building itself. Congress approved about $ 257 million for renovations.
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  Speaker 1: But Trump says the Kennedy Center needs major work and
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  Speaker 1: has talked about the possibility of tearing it down and
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  Speaker 1: rebuilding it. And then there's the second fight. Trump wants
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  Speaker 1: his name on the building.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's absurd. Abolishing or demolishing a memorial, a
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  Speaker 2: worldwide known venue for art.
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  Speaker 1: The problem for Trump is a president just can't rename
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  Speaker 1: the Kennedy Center. Congress created it as a memorial to
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  Speaker 1: President John F. Kennedy. And the judge in the case
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  Speaker 1: already ruled that adding Trump's name without approval from Congress
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  Speaker 1: violates the law. And when the Kennedy Center tried again
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  Speaker 1: to put Trump's name on the building, the judge blocked
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  Speaker 1: that too. So the judge is not saying the Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: Center can never be torn down. He's saying the administration
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  Speaker 1: cannot suddenly tear it down while the court fight is
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  Speaker 1: still happening. They have to give the court 30 days
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  Speaker 1: notice first. And Trump is signaling he's willing to keep
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  Speaker 1: fighting for the name issue, potentially taking it all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court. The one juror who stopped
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  Speaker 1: the Lindsay Clancy trial from reaching a verdict is finally
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  Speaker 1: explaining why he wouldn't budge. His name is Michael Desvinville.
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  Speaker 1: Clancy admitted killing her three sons, five-year-old Cora, three-year-old Dawson,
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  Speaker 1: and eight-month-old Alan inside their Massachusetts home in 2023. But
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  Speaker 1: the big question at trial wasn't whether she did it.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone agreed she did. The question was whether Clancy was
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  Speaker 1: criminally responsible at the time. Her defense argued she was
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  Speaker 1: suffering from severe postpartum psychiatric illness and should be found
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  Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of insanity. 11 jurors agreed. Devonsrill
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  Speaker 1: did not. That 11 to 1 split, there could be
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  Speaker 1: no verdict, and the judge declared a mistrial. Now Devonsrill
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  Speaker 1: is defending his decision publicly. He says he never had doubts.
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  Speaker 1: He said he tried to explain different theories during the deliberations,
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  Speaker 1: but jurors kept cutting him off and took him as
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  Speaker 1: being unsure.
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  Speaker 5: When the holdout juror states their own case. Ray, good
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  Speaker 5: for you getting this phone or interview and thank you
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  Speaker 5: for talking to me about it.
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  Speaker 3: I wanna say thank you so much for having me on, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 5: All right, and look, we'll put up, the guy put
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  Speaker 5: out pictures of himself and his name. I don't really
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  Speaker 5: want to target, to be honest. I really don't. I
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  Speaker 5: just wanna know one thing, okay? Did he say to you,
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  Speaker 5: how did he explain what kind of doubt he had
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  Speaker 5: about what the verdict should be and on what basis?
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  Speaker 5: Or let me even make it easy, and then we'll
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  Speaker 5: have a broader discussion. Did he say to you, I
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  Speaker 5: had reasonable doubts that this was her illness that did this,
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  Speaker 5: but I couldn't acquit her?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first, before I say that, I do want everybody
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  Speaker 3: to know No matter if you agree with him or not,
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  Speaker 3: and me and him had this conversation, if you agree
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  Speaker 3: with him or not, guilty or not guilty, his name
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have been put out there like that. And no
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  Speaker 3: juror should be, you know, put to the forefront like
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  Speaker 3: that because it's their civic duty to do that and
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  Speaker 3: they should be protected. So he never asked for, you know,
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  Speaker 3: any of this whatsoever. When I had my conversation with him,
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  Speaker 3: he said that based off all the evidence that he's seen,
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  Speaker 3: Everything that he heard, he felt that she was guilty
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  Speaker 3: and felt that at the time she was not, or
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  Speaker 3: I should say not guilty for a reason of insanity.
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  Speaker 3: He felt that she was sane when she did it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what he told me.
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  Speaker 1: His position is that the physical evidence, witnesses and prosecution's
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  Speaker 1: case convinced him Clancy knew exactly what she was doing
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  Speaker 1: and planned it. And now there's another interesting connection. Devonsville
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  Speaker 1: has hired attorney Edward Andrew Palzyk. That's the same attorney
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  Speaker 1: representing the friends in the Nolan Wells case. Warren Hudson,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Palato, and Morgan Seymour. And that separate case we've
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  Speaker 1: been also following. Devonsville and his family also say the
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  Speaker 1: backlash has gotten intense. His family says they've received threats
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  Speaker 1: and harassment. And his attorney says he's now staying somewhere
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  Speaker 1: undisclosed for his safety. And his own background is now
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  Speaker 1: being investigated. There was a domestic violence arrest in 2021.
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  Speaker 1: Those charges were dismissed. And there's also been reports about
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  Speaker 1: later allegations involving his teenage nephew and a restraining order
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  Speaker 1: that was active when he was selected for the jury.
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  Speaker 1: And that's raising a separate question about how he ended
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  Speaker 1: up on the jury in the first place. But legally,
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  Speaker 1: here's where everything stands. A criminal jury has to be unanimous.
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  Speaker 1: Eleven jurors believe Lindsay Clancy was not criminally responsible. Devonsville
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  Speaker 1: believed she was. One holdout was enough to cause a mistrial.
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  Speaker 1: And prosecutors still have to decide whether they're going to
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  Speaker 1: put Clancy on trial all over again. And lastly, Diddy
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  Speaker 1: has another legal problem, but this time it's with his
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  Speaker 1: own lawyers. Three attorneys representing Sean Diddy Combs in one
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  Speaker 1: of his civil cases have asked a federal judge to
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  Speaker 1: let them off the case. They say Diddy hasn't paid them.
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  Speaker 1: They say Diddy owes them a substantial amount of money
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  Speaker 1: in legal fees and expenses. They say his last payment
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  Speaker 1: was more than six months ago. And they say there's
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  Speaker 1: been a complete breakdown in communication between them and Diddy.
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  Speaker 1: He says he decided to switch lawyers because he believes
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  Speaker 1: they were overcharging him and billing him for things he
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  Speaker 1: never approved. So basically, the lawyers say, you owe us money.
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  Speaker 1: Diddy says, I'm disputing the bill. And this is important.
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  Speaker 1: This is not about the criminal case. This is a
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  Speaker 1: separate $ 100 million defamation lawsuit Diddy filed against Nextar Media,
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  Speaker 1: attorney Ariel Mitchell and Courtney Burgess. Diddy is currently serving
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  Speaker 1: a 50-month federal prison sentence after being convicted on two
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  Speaker 1: counts of transportation to engage prostitution. He was acquitted on
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  Speaker 1: the more serious racketeering conspiracy and sex trafficking charges. And
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  Speaker 1: even though he's in prison, he still has several civil
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  Speaker 1: lawsuits moving through the courts. And this one, though, there
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  Speaker 1: is now a fight happening before they even get back
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  Speaker 1: to the lawsuit itself. It's who's representing Diddy and who
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  Speaker 1: owes who money. That's your front page. I'm Mimi Brown.
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