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Andrew Miller: MLB’s Future, Salary cap battles · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Maybe not everybody can sign into a tiny deal, but
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  Speaker 1: everybody can sign Kirby Yates. Everybody can use Kirby Yates
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  Speaker 1: in the seventh dates ninth inning of the playoff series
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  Speaker 1: and be better for it.
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  Speaker 2: Former Big League pitcher Andrew Miller is with good to
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  Speaker 2: see you, Andrew, Great to have you on. Also, obviously
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  Speaker 2: working with the Players Association now is a special distant
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  Speaker 2: for strategic initiative, So we're definitely gonna top biz today too. Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: how's the gig been for you? Because you hop off
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  Speaker 2: the mound right and now you're you're making big moves
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  Speaker 2: here off the field.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about big moves. Yeah, it's it's been great.
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. I have such an appreciation for
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  Speaker 1: this organization, which I'm sure you know Eric AJ would
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  Speaker 1: say the same. And it gives me something to do.
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  Speaker 1: It allows me to stay in touch with the game
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  Speaker 1: or reason to turn on a game every night. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just you know, so far really uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: enjoying it. And you know, I get to work with
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  Speaker 1: fun people and work on the right side of the cause.
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  Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 4: You got a team now, because nobody ever has a
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  Speaker 4: team when they when they're playing, and you played for
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  Speaker 4: all of them. So so you have a team now
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  Speaker 4: that you're like, ah, you know, I can I can
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  Speaker 4: really lock into that team because you can't turn on
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  Speaker 4: the game and watch all of them.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's tough, you know, certainly root for you know,
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  Speaker 1: old buddies and you know guys. I like, you know
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  Speaker 1: my son, you know, he plays the show and he
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  Speaker 1: watches all of it, and you know he I think
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  Speaker 1: Jastism would be his favorite player if you asked him
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  Speaker 1: right now. But no, just any ballgame, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: want good games in the playoffs. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: see any blowouts. I want long series. And uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as far as pulling for one team or you know
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  Speaker 1: where anybody teams merch, that's not really happening.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew, Before we get into the business side of the MLBP,
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  Speaker 5: I have to ask this. We need to go to
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  Speaker 5: a force show here because Kratz always has this thing
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  Speaker 5: that people from Florida are stupid and you're from where.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to establish this
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  Speaker 5: before we dig in. And where from where.
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  Speaker 3: I am born and raised in Gainesville, Florida.
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  Speaker 5: Oh so crafts is all people from Florida are stupid.
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  Speaker 5: So how stupid people get a job like you have?
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  Speaker 4: I don't get it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean all krats of oh Florida people hillbillies and
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  Speaker 5: stupid crafts.
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  Speaker 4: We can't be hillbillies. We don't have any hills. We
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  Speaker 4: got to be read next to Just remind me.
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  Speaker 5: Also, it's worth yes, but for some reason, Andrew did
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  Speaker 5: not go to University of Florida. Couldn't get in, so
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  Speaker 5: he went to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: That's one way.
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  Speaker 4: When his grades were so good in Florida that he
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  Speaker 4: went out of state to a prestigious school in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't go to Duke.
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  Speaker 5: I mean he went to North Carolina. See the difference.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not talk about North Carolina?
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  Speaker 4: Are we just talking basketball?
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  Speaker 1: We talk I should have known better getting on this,
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  Speaker 1: and AJ is going to be there just poking the bear,
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 2: So then let's start here. Okay, So he went to
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of spring training camps, right, and you're chatting
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  Speaker 2: with players, tell us about your role and also what
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  Speaker 2: you're hearing. Right, we just want to get the straight
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  Speaker 2: shooter comments here on this show, like we always do.
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  Speaker 2: So what are players saying what do they love, what
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  Speaker 2: do they hate?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we saw all thirty clubs, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: for me, I'm just kind of fitting in the background.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to you know, use my relationships of guys
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  Speaker 1: that are still playing, guys that know me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and be able to open the door and just share
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  Speaker 1: and give them as much information as possible. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's that's our role, is to just educate guys. I
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  Speaker 1: think there can be a lot of information out there
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  Speaker 1: that you know, maybe something sounds good and we have
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  Speaker 1: a reason why we're at we have a different position.
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  Speaker 1: We just have to share that. And I think the
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  Speaker 1: more we can do that, the better we'll be. Because
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is a big CBA coming up obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you don't really like to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: it two years out. I think we can, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thank the commissioner for bringing it up. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we have a game that's thriving. We have such you know,
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  Speaker 1: probably as many stars as I've ever seen in the game,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just so much fun to watch. They're talking
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  Speaker 1: about how much money they're making, how great everything is,
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  Speaker 1: and yet you know, we see you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know, little snippets from the league saying that this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a battle and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: come for you know, changes or they need to do
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  Speaker 1: this or do that, So we have to get ahead
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  Speaker 1: of it. We have to educate guys and make sure
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  Speaker 1: they have answers. So that has been good.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think for us on the tour, we kind of
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  Speaker 1: do a little bit of recap on Okay, what happened
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  Speaker 1: in the last negotiation, what do we see going on
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  Speaker 1: in the game, you know what, what do we think
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  Speaker 1: we could have you know, gone further on, you know
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  Speaker 1: what what has worked, what hasn't type of stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: then you know, unfortunately, spend a lot of time talking
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  Speaker 1: about the salary cap because again.
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  Speaker 3: You know what we're hearing from the league.
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  Speaker 1: So we have, you know, great resources in the sense
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  Speaker 1: that we can look at the other leagues that have
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  Speaker 1: that and we can see what has worked and what hasn't,
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  Speaker 1: and we can see you know, maybe instances where you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were sold something that didn't go in the player's
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  Speaker 1: favor or the fans favor, and that's you know, ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: I think if you talk to any player, uh, they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna say they.
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  Speaker 3: Just want their team to compete, And I think it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty tough pill to swallow when you hear teams say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're we're not going for it this year. We don't
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  Speaker 1: think we have a chance that we're doing this or
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  Speaker 1: doing that, and it's not in line with going out
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  Speaker 1: and winning every game you possibly can.
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  Speaker 4: Is there is there any closer to Are we any
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  Speaker 4: closer to like being able to push the owners to
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  Speaker 4: be competitive in a sense of how can they be
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  Speaker 4: as competitive as we as we were as players since
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  Speaker 4: we don't or the current players are right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, we're constantly trying to address it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys remember from you know, Cbas when
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  Speaker 1: you were coming up. But I think we made some
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  Speaker 1: pretty good progress in the last deal. And I think
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  Speaker 1: part of that, you know, some of it we've seen
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  Speaker 1: in you know, the lottery. I think that the idea
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  Speaker 1: that you can go out there and intentionally basically be
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  Speaker 1: the worst team in baseball and end up with you know,
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  Speaker 1: the best player in the draft. Especially you know, you
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  Speaker 1: saw what worked in Houston, you saw what worked in
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  Speaker 1: Washington to be able to get you know, Strasburg and
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  Speaker 1: Harper and that type of stuff. To be able to
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  Speaker 1: take that factor away from teams has been incredibly helpful.
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  Speaker 1: You know, another thing that we were able to accomplish was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we wish you could have gone further, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, address the service time manipulation. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: saw such an obvious case with Chris Bryant and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you have teams out there saying we have
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  Speaker 1: players that we think should be starting for us at
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  Speaker 1: the major league level, but we have an ability to
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  Speaker 1: not only affect their career, but also affect our chance
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  Speaker 1: to go out and win the first you know, however
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  Speaker 1: many games it is until you get past arbitration, and
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  Speaker 1: so he gets past, you know, another year of you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically seven years still free agency by manipulating it. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, we saw with Paul Skins he took advantage
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  Speaker 1: of the new system we have in place and he
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  Speaker 1: got a full year of service for his dominance last year.
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  Speaker 1: So I think those little factors are taking a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the actually a lot of the opportunity for
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  Speaker 1: teams to go out there and really kind of manipulate
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  Speaker 1: that and take it to their advantage at the cost
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  Speaker 1: of players and fans.
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  Speaker 5: When you hear teams talk salarycap. Commissioner has been on
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  Speaker 5: his media tour saying salarycap, sellarcat the Orioles new owners
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  Speaker 5: come out, salarycap, salarycap. Can you explain to the casual
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  Speaker 5: fan what that means? And why why is the commissioner
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  Speaker 5: fighting this fight in the media Like this is something
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  Speaker 5: new that I haven't really seen them do.
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  Speaker 4: It's always been like nobody talk about it, nobody talking
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 5: But now you hear like lockout, lockout, lockout because we
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  Speaker 5: want a cap. So explain what a cap would mean?
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  Speaker 5: And then how can the players Association combat Rob Manfrein
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  Speaker 5: and his people out there all the time saying the
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  Speaker 5: same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah again, I think the easiest thing we can do
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  Speaker 1: is we can look at other leagues. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean a salary cap honestly, just straightforward. It's a chance
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  Speaker 1: for the owners to limit their labor cost and it
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  Speaker 1: you know the fact that they're going to come out
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  Speaker 1: and sell that as competitive balance. They're going to sell
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  Speaker 1: that as you know your tickets and your hot dog
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  Speaker 1: are going to be cheaper or that you know this
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  Speaker 1: is going to bring labor peace, or that this is
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  Speaker 1: better for the players in the long term. I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we can very easily kind of disprove those notions.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know, let's start with competitive balance.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you know, we had a phenomenal World
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  Speaker 1: Series between two high payrolls and two large cities last
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  Speaker 1: year and that was exciting, right, and we had probably
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  Speaker 1: the two biggest stars the game has seen in quite
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  Speaker 1: a while on the field. And yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a shorter series, but the league was
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  Speaker 1: raving about that. The numbers of people that tuned in
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  Speaker 1: was phenomenal. But what about the year before we had
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers and the Diamondbacks. So it can be done.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think that we have things in our
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  Speaker 1: system that address that. We have revenue new sharing, and
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  Speaker 1: you know the fact that you know, the Dodgers are
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  Speaker 1: the big boogeyman right now that went out and they
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  Speaker 1: spend all this money and they're such a fun team
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  Speaker 1: to play for, and they're doing all this stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: they they can go out and get O Taani and
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  Speaker 1: they can get this guy and that guy. Well, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, every team has the ability to sign those guys.
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  Speaker 1: But ultimately, the Dodgers have won two World Series in
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  Speaker 1: forty years. You know, the Mets have you know, Soto
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  Speaker 1: and all these guys, they've won I don't think any
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  Speaker 1: since eighty six. You know, the the Yankees that are
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  Speaker 1: you know, always the you know, the the what do
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  Speaker 1: they call them the dark Side or whatever? You know,
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  Speaker 1: the Imperial Forces, you know, they they haven't really had
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  Speaker 1: a stretch where they've dominated since that mid nineties late
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  Speaker 1: nineties run. So the fact that you know, we have
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  Speaker 1: some sort of dynasty out there because of you know,
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  Speaker 1: no salary cap is just completely false. And in other
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  Speaker 1: leagues you see things like the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: And the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 1: You see what the run that the Warriors went on,
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  Speaker 1: you know the lightning here. I live in Tampa locally
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  Speaker 1: in NHL, So it hasn't solved that problem in those leagues.
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  Speaker 4: Do the play payers have a reaction to the Dodgers stuff?
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  Speaker 4: Because we get all the time, oh you know that
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  Speaker 4: in our comments and stuff about our show. Oh, you
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  Speaker 4: guys are pro Dodgers. The league just wants Dodgers to win.
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  Speaker 4: Is the same sentiment there from the players, like, oh
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  Speaker 4: that's not fair.
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  Speaker 3: Uh quite the opposite.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think you know, it can't be summed up
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  Speaker 1: any better than you know. Brent Ruker came out, you
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  Speaker 1: know that somebody in the media came up to him
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  Speaker 1: and said, hey, what do you think about this? You know,
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, they just get everybody. You know, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: going to walk away with this. And I think his
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  Speaker 1: comment to paraphrase was that you know, when when teams
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  Speaker 1: signed players, that's good for players, and that's good for
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  Speaker 1: the game. And you know, as a fan, you know
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  Speaker 1: you want to see when you open the paper, you
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  Speaker 1: open up the blog every morning that your team is
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  Speaker 1: in on this player. Your team's trying to improve. Your
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  Speaker 1: team thinks they can go out and get this piece
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  Speaker 1: to make them a World Series contender, to take them
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  Speaker 1: from getting in the playoffs to winning the playoffs. I
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  Speaker 1: think that that is good for baseball. That is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we love having good offseasons. And the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you know, you can take a bunch of T
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  Speaker 1: teams out of the factor immediately because their GM or
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  Speaker 1: their president of their owner is saying, hey, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're just not gonna do it this year. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: bad for baseball. So the Dodgers go out and signing
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  Speaker 1: guys is great. I think, you know, maybe not everybody
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  Speaker 1: can sign the Otani deal. I don't know, maybe it's possible,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they don't think they can work a whole team
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  Speaker 1: around that. But everybody can sign Kirby Yates. Everybody can
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  Speaker 1: use Kirby Yates in the seventh, eighth, ninth inning of
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  Speaker 1: a playoff series and be better for it. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that they have, you know, any huge advantage
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that you know, they're doing something nobody
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  Speaker 1: else can do. Everybody can go out there and compete
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  Speaker 1: if they'd like, just like the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, how do you solve the issues of some of
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  Speaker 2: the bottom theaters right? And occasionally they'll emerge, but we
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  Speaker 2: know some of the teams that stand out. There's a
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  Speaker 2: really good story on the Pirates last week, and we
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  Speaker 2: sorted through it and did a segment on it. Dick Monport,
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  Speaker 2: the Rocky Zary recently came out and said I want
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  Speaker 2: to cap and I want someone else to pay the
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  Speaker 2: munch for me. I was like, okay, cool, So you
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  Speaker 2: believe in the world where yeah, everybody gets the same
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  Speaker 2: exact piece of bread, that there's a word for that
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  Speaker 2: that you probably don't like. Okay, that hasn't done well
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  Speaker 2: in politics, But anyway, how do you solve that because
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  Speaker 2: you can't kick owners out, but there are repeat offenders
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  Speaker 2: that are hurting the sport, and I think causing this
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  Speaker 2: conversation to be like, hey, let's take down those big
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  Speaker 2: teams and those big boys that actually give a crap
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  Speaker 2: because we have to help the same group that's always
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  Speaker 2: complaining and never doing anything about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you summed it up pretty well
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that their goal is not to push
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  Speaker 1: teams up from the bottom or honestly to even even
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  Speaker 1: it out. What they want to do is they want
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  Speaker 1: to pull the teams down from the top. They want
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  Speaker 1: to put restraints on the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Mets,
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  Speaker 1: whoever it may be, and they don't want that money
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  Speaker 1: to fully go back to the bottom teams and even out.
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  Speaker 1: They're just looking for a way to spend as little
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  Speaker 1: as they possibly can on players and put more money
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  Speaker 1: in their pocket, which their businessmen. We understand that these
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  Speaker 1: guys are billionaires for a reason, right, I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: not stupid business people. But yeah, as far as addressing that.
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  Speaker 1: I think, like I said, we've done a few things
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  Speaker 1: we want to go for there. Uh you know, the
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  Speaker 1: most obvious is, you know, working on revenue sharing in
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  Speaker 1: the league has been very difficult, and if you know,
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  Speaker 1: to be completely blunt, they've said no, you know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times that this is not something they'll touch.
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  Speaker 1: It's too politically, uh you know, motivated on their end,
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  Speaker 1: they just don't get the votes. Whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 1: But we have ideas and we're going to work on that,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what we're sharing with players, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to spend the next two years trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what what are ways that our win wins
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  Speaker 1: for everybody. We you know, again going back to the
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  Speaker 1: players want to win. Players want the game to be
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  Speaker 1: as great as possible. We all grew up loving this game.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of us now have kids that you know,
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  Speaker 1: play the show, turn on the game every night, watch
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  Speaker 1: the recaps in the morning. Like that's what my son does.
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  Speaker 1: He comes downstairs, he turns the recaps on and sees
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  Speaker 1: what happens. And uh, you know, we have ways to
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  Speaker 1: address that that are not a cap. And you know again,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, the cap is going to be Rob
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  Speaker 1: secure for everything, every everything that's going to come out
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: is he's going to say, well, if we had a CAP,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: we could fix this, we could fix that. You know.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: The problem is again, you know, we have all this
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: data from other leagues. It doesn't work. And you know,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: again we hate talking about this. This is not something
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: that is good for the game to be talking about,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: you know, unsettled labor issues. And you know, I think
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: one of the things Rob's going to say on that
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: point is that, hey, if we have a cap, we
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: can all you know, get along and we'll find a
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: way to just you know, keep rolling over and we'll
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: create revenue.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: But look at other leagues. They get locked out all
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: And what they do is they get you in and
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: then they you know, once they've got you in the system,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: they've got you there forever, and they're gonna sit there
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna chip away at it and make it
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: worse and worse. We've seen in other leagues. And you
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: know this idea that you know, Baseball has't missed a
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: game since ninety four, other leagues of all you know,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: miss games or had extended lockouts in order to go
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: chip away with the players are making.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: When your son plays the show and he has and
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: his team that he buys is the Marlins, does he
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: have to go and pick practice players up at home
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: depot or the corner too. I mean, obviously all that info,
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: all that came out while you guys were on your
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: tour for spring training. How are you guys? How does
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: the Players Association handle that? And what did you think
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: about it when you saw it?
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Uh O, Well, the headline was pretty shocking. I didn't
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: know what to make of it.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: But as far as how we handle it, you know,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: we have a team of great lawyers that deal with
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: all that stuff that's way above my head. Uh, you know, ultimately,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I think that got shut down pretty quick. And you know,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things like that. You know, the
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Marlins are kind of on an island. They're pretty unique
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: in the ways that they try to game the system
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: or not play in the same system as everybody else.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: For what it's worth, but I think that was shot
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: down pretty quick. But yeah, I think, uh, you know, ultimately,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: you know, we have to have people on staff, and
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: we have to have all these bright people that know
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, and we have consultants and outside, uh
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: you know, lawyers and all these people that that fit
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: into it, that address these issues and they arise. And
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I think that one was a perfect example of you know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: using that to get something like that shut down pretty quick.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: Andrew, you had a pretty good run as a reliever.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: You sucked as a starter, but you were a pretty
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: good reliever. What is that your Is that your behind you?
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: What trophy is that? What trophies do you have behind you?
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I've got ALCS MVP, which I believe it said on
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: the bottom there earlier, which is a pretty cool on
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: an eagle, the Roger Clemens Award, which is a college
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: pitching award. That's this one, and then over here on
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: the edge of the Reliever of the Year, which is
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: a pretty cool trophy. But I kind of missed out
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: on getting the big guy two the role aids that
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: they had in the eighties and the nineties. So very
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: proud of those, but uh yeah, I mean, uh, you know,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: to your point, aj I was a pretty terrible starter,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you know. I think he got a couple of hits
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: off of me in Chicago when.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I first came up. I don't know if an know
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: that story. I don't know if any of them were
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: anywhere near the barrel, let alone out of the infield.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: So went off to go.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: So I want to tell I think I told you
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: this story in Cras. Let's bring Crads on for this
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: because he'll love this story. So he was starter with
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: the Tigers. I think he were tigers. He came up right,
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: and he was a lefty and he was throwing like
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: a million from like down here, and he's like people
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: that don't know Andrew Miller's like six seven six big,
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: are you sixty seven? And he throws way out here right,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: And so it was two thousand and seven. I think
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: you were a starter. And he comes in and there
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: and Ozzie comes up to earth sat and goes, hey,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: you guys got a play and we're like, against that dude,
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: they can't throw a strike and he literally is gonna
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: throw it all over the place and he's like, yeah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: you guys will be good. He goes lefties are like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: oh for thirty seven off him this year. I'm like, oh, great, thanks, Osie.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: So you want us to fail, right, so erst out.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I think first a bat hits a chopper off the plate,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: gets a hit. My first bat he throws me a
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: heater in I swing it literally hit me in the
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: knuckle right and it went about four feet foul, and
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: I go, I literally go, I don't want to act
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: like it hurts because punch was catching, and I'm like,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: if I act like it hurts, he's gonna, he's gonna.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh man, I just missed it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, I think I
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: broke my finger.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: And so Andrew throws me a slider and I literally
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I'm like ugh, and I like, throw it over the
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: third basement's head. It literally barely gets the outfield, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: I'm like.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, suck on it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Oie Ersta and I both got a hit off right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: And then the next about I think I hit.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: One and literally that went about fourteen feet down the
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: third baseline for a knock and I was.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Like two for two, Yes we own this guy.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: And then I proceeded to never get a hit off
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: him again. But yes, he threw the ball that I
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: swung at hit me in the knuckle.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: You have a very particular memory of that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I was never I was never able. I was never
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: able to face you as a starter. But I swore
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: that your slider You could have put your slider on
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: a machine and I would have stayed out there for
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: an entire day swinging at it, and I would have
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: never gotten a hit. You struck me out three times
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: in the three at bats, and it wasn't even close.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I remember looking out one time and looking at you
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: and then looking at McCann, and McCann was just like, like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: not even close.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: You called me in my glory days.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You missed out on the chance that AJ had to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: have something hold hold over my head.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great to have and great terminus. And we'll chat
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: with them again at some point this year too.