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117 Bigfoot Encounters: This Proves They’re Different Than we Thought! · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the IA Jupiter Podcast. This is episode
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  Speaker 1: one and seventeen with mister Carl Suck. Carl had an
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  Speaker 1: incident back in nineteen eighty two. He was camping with
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  Speaker 1: some friends. They went across the lake and he received
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  Speaker 1: this incredible scream that shook him and his friends. With
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  Speaker 1: the corps, they were able to kind of stave off
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  Speaker 1: the night and then wake up in the morning and
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  Speaker 1: go home. And then years later he ran across this
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  Speaker 1: sound again called the Ohio Sound with his son, went
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  Speaker 1: out with the BFRO on some trip in Arizona up
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  Speaker 1: in Themogian Rim or something like that, and they got
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  Speaker 1: the sound again. And ever since then Carl has been
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  Speaker 1: completely and utterly fascinated Whip the Forest people and he
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  Speaker 1: came on to talk to me about it. A fantastic episode,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of really cool and it's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: really cool encounters that Carl has had. So if you
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  Speaker 1: Every week we get an episode out here, and I
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  Speaker 1: most interesting people I can think of or find or
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  Speaker 1: become smarter. Hopefully we all know that's a lie. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, I hope you enjoyed this episode
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  Speaker 1: with mister Carl Sup. Hello. Sorry, Hi, Hi. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: that you came here. It's very interesting as we were
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  Speaker 1: in the green room beforehand, so talking, you know, trying
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  Speaker 1: to get to know each other. It's really funny because
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  Speaker 1: your last name is Sup. My friend started a stand
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  Speaker 1: up comedian comedy in Frankfurt, Germany, and the name of
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  Speaker 1: the company he started was called Sup. So it's stand up, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And I was just just well recognized it again that
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  Speaker 1: that was the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, Well, it's really funny the last name Sup
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  Speaker 2: actually has. It wasn't shortened out. It wasn't you know.
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  Speaker 2: When I was growing up, everybody told me it was
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  Speaker 2: it's Ky or you know, super Zinski or something, and
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  Speaker 2: it had been shortened up. And and but I've done
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  Speaker 2: research and I actually got the name game all the
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  Speaker 2: way back to fourteen fifty in Bohemia and in Old
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  Speaker 2: Czech it actually means bird of prey and based on
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  Speaker 2: the history of the name, it actually said that it
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  Speaker 2: was the first SUPs were Falconer's for royalty.
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  Speaker 1: No shit, that's interesting. So my last name is English
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  Speaker 1: English frank was very calm, which means it's basically the
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  Speaker 1: landowner or like a tax collector for uh, for royalty
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  Speaker 1: or the people of the of England. So people. So
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  Speaker 1: it's basically a name that's a title of people that
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  Speaker 1: were hated by the peasant class, and a Franklin was
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily So Carl do dous a favorite. Tell us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself, you know, if you're promoting anything,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and do that, and uh, go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: tell me how this all began for you.
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  Speaker 2: So so yeah, so it I'm a my profession, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a I'm a software consultant. I'm a data analyst. I'm
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  Speaker 2: you know, a software analyst. I've run major development teams
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  Speaker 2: globally and uh I travel a lot and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: going way back into in the late sixties, I remember
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  Speaker 2: my dad had ascription to Argacy magazine and in February
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  Speaker 2: sixty eight issue that came out. There was the front cover.
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  Speaker 2: The title said California is abominable Snowman. And I remember
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  Speaker 2: I read that cover to cover, you know, and and
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  Speaker 2: of course at that time, I was thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it could be real. You know, it's possible.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of strange stuff in this world. Even
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  Speaker 2: back in the in the late sixties, you know, going
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  Speaker 2: to school, I was, you know, I had questioned, especially
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  Speaker 2: when we were learning biology and everything. And I and
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  Speaker 2: they and you know, they said, oh, dinosaurs were they
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  Speaker 2: were reptiles and they were cold blooded, right, And then
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  Speaker 2: finally I raised my hand and I said, well, then
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  Speaker 2: what are birds? You know, right, you know, And I said,
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  Speaker 2: because they kind of walked like you know what I
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  Speaker 2: think a dinosaur might walk like.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, you know, birds are warm blooded.
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  Speaker 2: They're but they're not mammals. They're they have feathers. I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand, you know. So I was always inquisitive and
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  Speaker 2: always uh you know, kept that in the foreground. So
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  Speaker 2: fast forward to the mid seventies. I'm I'm you know,
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  Speaker 2: I went to the theater. I watched uh Star War,
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  Speaker 2: I was you know, Star Wars, but they actually had
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  Speaker 2: like so yeah, and they had UH and they actually
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  Speaker 2: had as part of the double feature, they had UH
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  Speaker 2: in search of episodes. So I in the the this
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  Speaker 2: is when you didn't really get kicked out of a theater,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So I actually watched Star Wars like five
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  Speaker 2: times and there was multiple in search of So I
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  Speaker 2: actually got to see In Search of Bigfoot, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on the big screen with Leonard Nimoyay. Most people would
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  Speaker 2: be like what it was on the screen, you know
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  Speaker 2: in the movie theaters, you know, but it was and
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  Speaker 2: so uh you know, And of course at that time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, you know, it's if if they're
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  Speaker 2: anywhere there in the Pacific northwest northern or in Washington
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. So nineteen eighty two, I'm camping with
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  Speaker 2: three buddies of mine. We had one of them had
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  Speaker 2: an inflatable zodiac and we actually paddled across this lake.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a little inflatable boat. Okay, Yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: went across the isn't it cooler? Yeah? So yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: we get across, you know, we paddled across the lake
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  Speaker 2: and we set up camp and you know, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: cook some dinner and you know, hot dogs or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, ended up going to bed right because
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  Speaker 2: then it was pitch black dark on the other side
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  Speaker 2: of the lake, and the three am in the morning
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  Speaker 2: something howls unbelievably loud, long, and just the vibration in
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  Speaker 2: your chest was just unbelievable. It was very close to
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  Speaker 2: the tent whatever it was, right and scared us. Three
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  Speaker 2: guys come pouring out of the tent, right, and we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to decide what to do at three in the
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  Speaker 2: morning with no you know, all we had was the
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  Speaker 2: the old Coleman light with the uh stuff and ye
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  Speaker 2: and that and uh, you know and uh and we
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  Speaker 2: couldn't figure out how to turn that on in in
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  Speaker 2: a panic, right, so we it was dark and we
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  Speaker 2: and there was just enough starlight we could see the boat.
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  Speaker 2: So we were trying to decide do we just pile
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  Speaker 2: into the boat and start rowing across the lake and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, you know and uh And finally we convinced
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  Speaker 2: ourselves that it must have been just like a really
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  Speaker 2: large coyote or or maybe it was a wolf, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, you know, it was nothing like we
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  Speaker 2: had ever heard because I had done so much hiking
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  Speaker 2: and camping all over Arizona at that time, so ended
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  Speaker 2: up going back to bed, and then of course I
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  Speaker 2: kind of kept an eye open, you know, uh for
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  Speaker 2: a little while, and ended up going back to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: But the uh, you know, the next morning, we had
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  Speaker 2: convinced ourselves completely that it you know, oh, there's no way.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, but over the years of all the
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  Speaker 2: hiking and camping and and things I had, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had strange things happen overnight at a lot of
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  Speaker 2: campsites and stuff, but I always just wrote them off, like, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's weird, or maybe that was a squirrel or you know,
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  Speaker 2: somebody messing with it or something.
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  Speaker 1: Very industrious squirrel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know, Like I mean the one
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  Speaker 2: time I remember, I remember waking up and because I
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  Speaker 2: kept hearing what sounded like maybe pine cones or acorns
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  Speaker 2: hitting the tent right and I wake up in the
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  Speaker 2: morning and the tent has just probably fifty rocks, little
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  Speaker 2: small rocks that had hit the tent and slid down,
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  Speaker 2: hit the tent slid down, so there was a pile
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  Speaker 2: of rocks on right now on the side of the tent.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I'm like, I'm like Rocks, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what you know, somebody was messing with me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or what you know? But you know, now I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little more educated on that because fast forward to two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and eight. You know, I'm married, I've got you know,
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  Speaker 2: two kids, and I'm sitting on the sofa with my
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  Speaker 2: sixteen year old son and I'm messing with sasquatch. Commercial
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  Speaker 2: comes on TV and it's the one where the Sasquatch
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  Speaker 2: is walking along the road and the guys try to
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  Speaker 2: give him a ride in the car and he says,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hey, buddy, you want to ride, and and
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  Speaker 2: the and and just yeah, all the commercials oh, well, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: he goes to, you know, just as the Sasquatch is
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  Speaker 2: about to get in the car, they pull forward and
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  Speaker 2: then they laugh, you know, and then they're like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, buddy, come on. And then he tries to
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  Speaker 2: do it again and they pull forward again, and then
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  Speaker 2: the very next scene they Sasquatch grabs him and yanks
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  Speaker 2: the guy out of the car and tosses him down
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  Speaker 2: the hill. And I laughed and I laughed so hard,
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  Speaker 2: and my son I looked over at him, and he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't laughing at all, And I said, why aren't you laughing?
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  Speaker 2: That was hilarious. And he says, well, it's not founded
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  Speaker 2: in reality, because you know, you know that that kind
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  Speaker 2: of animal, you know that, you know, bigfoot's not real.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, I said, well, how do you know?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: You're sixteen. Are you telling me that you're that you know?
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  Speaker 2: I said, so? So I tell them the story about
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty two. I was like, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things we don't know when I was like, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: and I relay the story of the long and Loud howled, right,
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  Speaker 2: and and he says, oh, come on, dad, an Arizona
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  Speaker 2: And I said, I don't know, you know, I said,
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  Speaker 2: I said, by this time, right, it's two thousand and eight, right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, let's google it, right, So I I
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  Speaker 2: type in Bigfoot Arizona, right, and the first link that
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  Speaker 2: comes up is the BFO, the Bigfoot Field Research Organization, right.
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  Speaker 2: So I So we start looking through the website and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, look, they've got some reports from Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: So the two of us sat there reading these Arizona
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  Speaker 2: reports from other witnesses and we get and down at
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  Speaker 2: the bottom there was a link to what they call
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio howl. So it and I hadn't hadn't heard
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio howl before, right, But when I played it,
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  Speaker 2: all the hair stood up on my arm. Because I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you, auditory memory is so powerful.
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  Speaker 1: It's that in and in Uh what what would you
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  Speaker 1: so if it's auditory, what would be smelly? The smellatory?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the you're the old factory old factory memory. Yeah, yeaheah.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible. I can imagine the visual response of like
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  Speaker 1: rediscovering that again. That's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It it it just and my son sees all the
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  Speaker 2: hair stand up on my arm, right and and and
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  Speaker 2: I just looked at him and I said, that's the
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  Speaker 2: second time I've heard that howl, and uh and and
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  Speaker 2: and so so I looked on the website and I see, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they've got an expedition in Arizona coming up, and it's
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  Speaker 2: in three weeks. I was like, I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's four days, three nights. Worst case scenario,
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  Speaker 2: you and I get to get out in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go camping, you know, maybe hang out with some
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  Speaker 2: crazy people, you know, just you and I right, I said,
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  Speaker 2: otherwise maybe we'll learn something. Right, So he's like, he's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So so I booked us to go on this expedition, right,
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  Speaker 2: And it turns out that Moneymaker was actually running that
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  Speaker 2: expedition that year and there had been a an encounter
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  Speaker 2: by a couple that had a blog or a large
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  Speaker 2: branch thrown at their van that broke their side mirror.
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  Speaker 2: And we went to that location where that had happened.
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  Speaker 2: And it's on a ridgeline with two canyon complexes on
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  Speaker 2: either side, you know, going down the thing. But there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of old logging roads in Arizona and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And for people that don't understand, Arizona is really half forested.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's there's Ponderosa pines. It's the largest sand
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  Speaker 2: in the world actually, like the the mogion Rim Rim
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  Speaker 2: up on top of the Moggian Rim yep, and so, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and of course people I know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: even going all the way down into Mexico Central Mexico
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  Speaker 2: Copper Canyon and there's pines and it's yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 2: what you think, right, You always have to expand your mind.
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  Speaker 2: But the uh, you know, so Uh. That that that
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  Speaker 2: evening we went to uh. One group that of the
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  Speaker 2: participants went to the west. One group went to the east,
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  Speaker 2: so that down into those uh you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: halfway down into those side canyons and uh. And then
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  Speaker 2: Matt Moneymaker stayed up at the at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the bridge and he did a call from up there,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I've got a recording of it where
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  Speaker 2: he does the call and you can hear him. You
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  Speaker 2: can hear him in the distance. Plus, you know, right
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  Speaker 2: before he calls, he gets over the radio and he says,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do a call in ten seconds, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or a howl in ten seconds. He does the howl
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  Speaker 2: from our location on the west side. Now, everybody that
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  Speaker 2: was on the east side, they only could hear Matt howling,
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  Speaker 2: and nothing happened. On the west side where I was
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  Speaker 2: with my son and the other group, Matt howls and
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  Speaker 2: from the north almost due north, probably three seconds after
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  Speaker 2: he howled. There was a reply howl that came back
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  Speaker 2: about another two three seconds after that from the northwest,
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  Speaker 2: and you could tell it was a further distance. Another
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  Speaker 2: howl and about and about another four seconds after that
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  Speaker 2: from the southwest. At a much farther distance. It was
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  Speaker 2: much fainter, but you could hear this third howl reply
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  Speaker 2: back to him. And it was at that moment I said,
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  Speaker 2: I need to figure out exactly what's going on there,
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  Speaker 2: and and that really sparked my interest in He was
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  Speaker 2: holding out of my shoulder because we we were we
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  Speaker 2: had to hike out into that down that thing in
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  Speaker 2: a in a you know, in the dark, without flashlights,
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  Speaker 2: and he was holding out of my shoulder when and
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  Speaker 2: when they he heard the howls come back, I thought
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  Speaker 2: he was gonna pop my shoulder out of its socket.
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  Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah man, yeah, yeah. So so ever since then,
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  Speaker 1: you we was like you just I got to know
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  Speaker 1: what this is. Yep. Okay, So I started that's the
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  Speaker 1: so that's the genesis of what you started to do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, correct, okay correct. So so I started coming up with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, different techniques, kind of using a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the things that I learned on that bf O expedition.
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  Speaker 2: Over time, now i've you know, and especially when I
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  Speaker 2: go up to the research area that I go to
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  Speaker 2: all the time up on the Mogan Rim, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I I you know, I I don't try to trick
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  Speaker 2: them at all. They if I get if I'll start
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  Speaker 2: unloading the car, I get maybe a lawn chair out,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of lawn chairs, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I'll hear a rock clack, probably within one hundred feet
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  Speaker 2: of where I am, you know, and I'll just go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm here, you know, and uh, and they'll interact with myself,
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  Speaker 2: and even if I bring someone else up that they'll
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  Speaker 2: interact with them as well, either through whistles or tongue
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  Speaker 2: clacks or probably like yeah, like just and you know,
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  Speaker 2: rather and you can tell that that they're doing that
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  Speaker 2: versus rock clacks, because I mean a lot. Sometimes they'll
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  Speaker 2: do rocks. Sometimes they'll hit sticks together, okay, but but
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  Speaker 2: if they don't have rocks handy, they'll just tongue clack
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: So that I didn't know. That's a new one. That's
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  Speaker 1: a new one on me. Man, that's a new one
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  Speaker 1: on me. I've heard, you know, portals and orbs, and
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  Speaker 1: I even speak to people who are part of the
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  Speaker 1: Arizona Four who actually also go to the Mogan Rim,
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  Speaker 1: and they're telling me, like, you know, mine speak, but
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard the tongue clacking. That's a new one.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I enjoyed this so much, because I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to I'm just being like a medium for people to
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  Speaker 1: find that which they don't know about. And then I
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  Speaker 1: talked to somebody about you, you know, someone who has
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  Speaker 1: the experiences and can tell me what they've experienced. And
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  Speaker 1: I just try to get the best out of them.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a that's all I do. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty easy job, but I really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed hell yeah, but but yeah, yeah, So the
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  Speaker 2: one that that one you know that one day you know,
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  Speaker 2: they they they And it's a funny story. So my
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  Speaker 2: friend and this is the first time I had taken
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  Speaker 2: him up there, and I've been telling talking to him
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  Speaker 2: about it for ten years and finally I said, look,
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  Speaker 2: I said, just come come out with me, right And
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  Speaker 2: so he finally did. And uh that that first morning,
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  Speaker 2: I'm act. I got up first, I walked clear across
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  Speaker 2: the campground. I got or you know, it's not really
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  Speaker 2: a campground, right, it's just it's in the middle of nowhere, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's and uh, you know, but I walked across this
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  Speaker 2: old logging road up to the edge of the woods
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  Speaker 2: and I just you know, and that was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your first morning relief, shall we say? Okay, okay, yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: yeah sure and uh so I'm just peeing against a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: tree and uh and when I finished, I you know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I did what every human does, right, I I farted, okay,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and uh and when I did, I.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Wasn't I love fart. I love anything with farts. Okay,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm on a comic. It's part. Yeah, it's part and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: parcel for what I do. Well it I wasn't expecting
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a fart, and that's another reason of funny. Yep.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So I farted and uh and probably about two hundred
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: feet away in in in the brush, I hear I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: hear bigfoots of Joey farts they do. That's fantastic, you know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And of course humor, right is a sign of higher intelligence.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Right, yes, in a universal connection that we could make.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, buddy, I wasn't trying to communicate with
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: him that way, but.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but it's still great. It's still great.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, so I I just I just looked
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: over that direction. I kind of went like that to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: him and I and I laughed as well, and I said,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I said, did you like that in English, because they
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: do you understand English. And and with that I hear
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: what could have been a rock clack? But you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they just two clacks right, or could have been a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: tongue clack. Not sure, but I you know, and I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: just laughed and I said, well, good morning, and then
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I walked back to camp. Well, as I get back
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to camp, my buddy's just getting out of the tent
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and I tell him the story and he laughs and
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: he laughs and he goes, he goes, oh, come on,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: He goes, where was that? And I said, I said
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: right over here. Well, it was maybe about one hundred
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and fifty feet away from triangulation, ok, I was And
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I said, I said, yeah, I was right right over
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: here and I and he goes, oh, come on, And
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I said, hang on a second. So I just said,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: could you could you clack those rocks again? And about
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: from about one hundred and fifty feet away clack claque right?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And my friend's like, what, like, I'm command right, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: he's and and he's and I said, we'll answer him back.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And he goes and he starts looking around for some rocks.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And I said, I said, no, just like do a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: tongue clack back to him. So so he goes and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and from the woods, black claque back, and I said,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and I said, we'll do it again. So this time
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: he goes, and sure enough a three times. This goes
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: on for five minutes where he's varying the the clicks
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and the clacks and the and and they're and they're
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: actually mimicking it perfectly and stuff, and finally he goes, uh,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you know, and finally he just goes, and then it
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: was all quiet in the woods and I go, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: go way to go.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Pissed him off. Yeah, he was like, it's like so
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: it's like kind of it's like a jazz musician. It
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: can kind of. Yeah, that's so interesting. That's so interesting.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was That was remarkable.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: How do you know they could speak English because they
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: were They gave you an intelligent response to your questions.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, they'll take action on what I asked them. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the one time I actually it was up on the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: mogan Rim again, I was all night when we were
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: sitting around the campfire and it was the two of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: my same friend and he was sleeping inside. He had
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a you know, a bed set up inside of his suburban,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and I had a bed set up inside of my
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yukon and uh, I'm six five, yeah, so you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: so you know, I have the Yukon excels so I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: can stretch out in there. But but diagonally right, exactly,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's still diagonally yeah, but I so I'm.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You know, all night when we were sitting at the campfire,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I could feel that we were being watched from this
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: hill side nearby. And so finally, you know, called it
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a night. Uh, you know, put the fire out, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: we you know, he goes into the suburban and I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: just about to get into the Yukon and I I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: turn up towards that hill and I just I said
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: good night, good night. I said, uh, I said, I'd
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: love it if you could come down here and put
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: a handprint on my car. So so and then I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: said good night, and I climbed and climbed in the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: car and went to sleep.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So I wake up at three in the morning, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: just like you were saying, I'm sleeping a little diagonally
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: in there, so my face is a little closer to
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the one of the side rear windows. And uh, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: as I woke up. I was wearing a fitbit, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and the fit bit had a little gap between my
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: arm and the and the wrist. And as I, as
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I was waking up, the green light, the laser light
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: from the fitbit turned on and it illuminated the inside
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of the you know, cabin of the Yukon. And here's
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: just a foot away from my face, right at the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: glass is this face just geez dude looking looking in
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: at me. And as as I looked right at it
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and looked right into his face, he just backed the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: way into the darkness, you know, just faded out right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And you seem to be extremely like excited happy to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: tell me about these things. There's no no fear, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: mean no, what has made you unafraid of such a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: large animal that is supposedly, supposedly by science not recognized.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Right, It came to a realization on my So, my
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: my very first sighting was at night, was with a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: night It was with a night vision scope. I didn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: have anything to record with, and I had my both
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: my kids and my twelve year old nephew with and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: during the day we had set up audio traps and
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: so forth all over the woods that I had built
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: out of these waterproof boxes and the But my daughter
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: wasn't feeling well. So my son's like, I'll just stay
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: with her in the car. So I just went out
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: with my nephew, probably a good two three hundred feet
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: away from the car, and did a couple of woodknock,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you know, wood knocks, and immediately got a response from
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: about a quarter mile away with a whoop, and so
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: then I did one single knock back after that. After
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I did two knocks, I got a whoop response, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I did a one knock and then and then just
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: sat there quietly for about twenty minutes. So after about
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes, I I knocked twice again and and the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: whoop comes and it's right across the canyon from us,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I mean almost like same level that we were at
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: on the side of the canyon, but just right directly
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the canyon, so very loud,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and and uh, my nephew's like, are you going to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: knock again? And I go, it knows exactly where we are.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And by this time, you know, I hadn't seen one yet, right,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I had been doing knocks back and forth. I've heard
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: them grunting, I've you know, I've had had rocks thrown
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: at me, you know, during that period and stuff. But
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: after a couple of minutes, I started I hear some
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: rocks scrabble down into the into the base of the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: canyon and the and then I could hear something starting
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: to come up through you know, come up the hillside
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: towards us. Yeah, and then and then all falls quiet again.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So this so my nephew's got the I R scope
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: right with the you know, infrared and night vision, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: he's looking down the hill and he goes, oh, I
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: saw something lean out from this tree and went and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it duck back in. And he goes, oh, there it
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: goes again, you know, And I said, give me the scope.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So I saw, you know, and it was hard because
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: it was still probably a good forty fifty feet away,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and I you know, you couldn't couldn't tell leaned out,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: looked and leaned back in, right, yeah, And then I
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: could And then I could hear it slowly coming up
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the hill. And then if you could hear it, I
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: could hear just it very just little clicks and just
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: twigs breaking a little bit, so incredibly silent. They you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: after that encounter. I said, they're forest ninjas. I don't
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: know how they walk with their weight on that, on
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that forest litter and not.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: They are the master of their domain, you know, like
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you and I on the construction site. We can go
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: welding and put the pipes and whatever we're doing with
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a master of that domain. But then ye was that's there,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that's their stop, that's their thing.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, but so so that then I couldn't hear anymore, right,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear any more little thing. So I'm like, okay,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it's it's gotten close to us, but I can't see
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: it still because all the brush that was in the way,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you know, the ir was reflecting off of the leaves
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: and stuff. So I just lean over to my nephew
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: and I said, I said, remember when we were out
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: here hiking earlier today. I said, there was that area
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: that had no trees or vegetation, and you could see
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: all the way down to the creek bed down below
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: at the base of the canyon. And he goes, yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and I said, well, that's on our way back to
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the car. I said, let's pretend like we didn't see anything.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: We don't know anything. And I said, well, and I'm
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: whispering this to him in his ear. And I said,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and we'll just start walking back towards the car. And
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I said, and then if I tell you stop, just
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: stop deading your tracks, because I wanted to see if
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: they were going to if it was following us, right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So I so we walk about fifty feet and I
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: said stop, and my nephew stops, and I hear one
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: or one extra foot fall, very common, yeah, And I'm like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, all right, it's following us, right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So I said, when we get to that open area,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I said, I'll just tell you now, and you turn
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: around and look, you know, to your left and look
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: down that that gap. And he goes, okay. So we
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: walk and walk and walk, and we get over to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that area that has no vegetation and and I and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I hear a twig snap, and I said, now my
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: nephew turns around. He's got the scope up to his
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: eye and and and he just says, yep, there it is.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And it said, now, my nephew, twelve years old. He's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: been his entire career, actually even to date, he's because
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: he's never gone back out again his entire career of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: squatching was fifty two minutes and he had a sighting
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and he's like, oh my god. Yeah. So he says, Yep,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: there it is. And I said, what's it doing? And
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: he said looking at me. I said, give me the scope.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: He gives me the scope. I get it up to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: my eye just in time to see it take one
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: more step and then go behind a tree. Well, in
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that one step it was a profile view and it
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was a female. You know, I've had people ask me,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: how did you know it was a female.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It was like breast, yeah, exactly, yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But she steps behind this tree and she puts her
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: hand on the side of the tree and the hand
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: from the elbow to the to the fingertips is visible
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: for about three minutes.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: As the two of us sat there looking back for it. Now,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: that tree was only about thirty feet away from us,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and the night vision scope had about a two times magnification,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: so right there and and you could see the I
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: mean I could see the fingernails were cracked.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, you kind of rest the people who
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: have never seen, like myself and many many, many others,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: what is that experience like seeing something that's not supposed
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to exist.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It was uh, I mean, I had to catch my breath.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I was excited. I wasn't fearful, I was, but I was.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It was exhilarating, curious and cautious all at the same time,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: because you know.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Like your ears were like tingling probably right, yeah, feeling Oh, the.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Adrenaline running through your body. It was unbelievable. But you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and but it was really funny with this, with this encounter,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I certainly didn't have that fight or flight response right right,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And and but you know, we sat there looking at
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: at that left arm with the fingernails, and I always
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: tell people, I'm like, the fingers were like ballpark franks.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, And.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: There was yeah exactly, yeah, And there was there was
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: no I mean, did not have a manicure, right, And
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: there was hair. There was hair on the hanging off
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the side of the hand, hair off the forearm, you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: on the forearm and off the forearm. And there was
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: just a slight light breeze so that and the hares
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: were not matted or clumped or anything like that. They
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: they were flowing freely, lit just in the in the wind.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And then finally she took her hand off at the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: side of the tree. Now, later on I went back
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and and tried to determine, you know, why did she
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: have her hand on the tree right? So so during
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the daytime, you know, I figured if if you're hanging
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: onto a tree, well, number one, it was the hillside,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: so and where that tree was. If she wasn't hanging
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: onto that tree, she would have fallen back down the
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: hill because it was very steep right there. So she
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: had to hang on in order to not fall backwards, didn't.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think she realized her hand was visible. Number one.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Number two, you know, if you're if if I was
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: gonna when I stood behind the tree, I needed to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: figure you know, I needed to catch my balance as well, right,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and you would put your arm probably at the same
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: height as your shoulder right so it would be okay,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: so you know, you wouldn't put your arm like up
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: here in order or down here at the waist level
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: or something, right, Yeah, So and that provided the most
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the best balance for myself, and I reasoned that she
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: would have had the same issue. So where her hand
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was was sixty nine inches off the ground.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I've lived in Europe for many years, okay, so sixty
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is five foot five foot.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Nine, yeah, nine ten somewhere in there. And I reasoned
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that the shoulder and what I saw, you know that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: she was probably about seven to seven three maybe you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: all cow And.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. I remember I remember walking in there. So
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I lived down here and I bought ten acres in
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the middle of jungle down here, because they're never going
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to make me. They're never going to try to give
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: me a vaccine again. Bro, That's why I moved from Europe.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That's why i'm down here. Bro, man, that's why I'm
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: down here. Yeah, dude, and I remember the first time
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: they made me, they made Yeah, but unfortunately, Yeah, it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: some bit just yeah, that's some uh. People don't. People
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: don't remember the Nuremberg trials verywell today anyhow. So I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: was walking, yeah, now you do go back. Wait a minute,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I can't be coerced. Wait, man's age. They hung people
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: for that, Okay, exact. I was walking through the forest
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: here and I remember just my with my daughter, she's
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a it was like seven or eight at the time,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and we ran across like some like undocumented Mayan ruins.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Nothing major, just a circle of rocks on the ground
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and that feeling of exhilaration of seeing something that probably
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: no one has seen in a very very long time.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Sat for maybe hunters, you know, but for you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: somebody from North America or wherever you know, well Mexico's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: technically North America, but from the United States. Yep, it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: it's exhilarating. But I can't even imagine seeing a large
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: bipedal primate that even though I mean, I am more
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: than convinced that it's real. I mean, for me, it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: like I UFOs were the first one around, like yet,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this is real, and then it's Bigfoot and I'm working
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: my way to dog Man. That's the next one. I'm
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: getting my way to. I got, yeah, this is a
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: real thing.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I have not had a dog Man encounter yet either,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I talked to Jody Jody Cooks who's the president of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the North American dog Man Project, and he is he's
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: all about it and and like the things he talks
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: about and the experiences. I Actually, I'm gonna have somebody
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: on who has a videotape of a dog man actually
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: holding it's young, so that's gonna be interesting. But Bigfoot
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: has always fascinated me because of their because of the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: things I hear. You know, it's there's people who are
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: just like, it's only this, and there's people it's only that.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And then I like to be on the fence with
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: everything in life and be like, it's a little bit
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: of both men. It's kind of physical and it's also
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell of this other stuff is? Have you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I don't like the I don't not gonna use the word.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Have you experienced anything like metaphysical with them, anything where
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it's kind of out of the ordinary.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, And now, you know, I had a lot of
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: friends that said, oh, I had encounters, I had mind
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: speak or I had you know, And like I said,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I you know, I've spoken to them in English, right,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and and I you know, and I got respond I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: didn't oh, I you know what, I didn't finish that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: story with the oh the face at the window.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So I look out, I'm looking out and it's only starlight.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I don't see any movement. I'm looking for any movement
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: between trees and the starlight. I don't see anything, right,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So I looked for probably about twenty minutes out there.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't see anything. I ended up going back to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: sleep in the Yukon. I wake up at five point
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: fifteen am, right at pre dawn light, and on the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: side of my window is this handprint just like I right,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and this handprint is from the tip of the pinky
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: down to the base of the thumb was fourteen inches.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is in centimeters, twelve or thirty,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: so it's about thirty four centimeters. Yeah, so from the tip,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: just the tip of the pinky down to the it's huge.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I have a photo that I took with where I
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: put right.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very sea liked by certain women, yes, yes, yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: And the the funny thing was the tip of the pinky,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: just that top digit right there. It was an inch
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: inch and a quarter wide. The last the last joint,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the last joint, I can't wide wide on there. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you could see the dermal ridges in the in the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: print as well.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Did you get it? Is there any Was there any
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: white powder involved, like any type.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Of There was not. I didn't see anything on the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: outside of the so what this was interesting?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: There was There must have been because the print actually
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was visible because the it had gotten so cold overnight
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and I was inside an enclosed vehicle. All of the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: condensation on the inside of the window. The print was
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: visible because whatever was on the outside of the window,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: in the oils of the hand insulated the glass where
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the handprint had been placed on the outside of the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: window right so on, So the print was really the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: condensation on the inside. On the outside, you couldn't see it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: You couldn't really see any print on the outside. It
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: was interesting.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Now, however, that very same night, on my friend's suburban's hood,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: he had a handprint as well, but it was in
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the dust on the hood and it was eleven inches
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: from the tip of the pinky down to the base
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: of the thumb, and that one was super clear with
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: with a lot of dermal ridges, and you could actually
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: see wisps of hair off the side of the hand
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: wrist in the in the dust as well where it
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: placed it. But the interesting thing was is was the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: less uh, it wasn't The print didn't occur as much
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: in the center of your hand where your hand has
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: you know, the cave con cave, yes, and so you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: so their hand is very similar to our in that aspect,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: based on that print as well. But like I said,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: so speaking in English, so if I'm going back to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: unusual encounters. I I went, let's see, I will I'll
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: tell one quick story before I get into the visits there.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So in twenty thirteen, I was actually assisting on a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: BFO expedition, which actually I'm going to be on one
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: this year. It's my first one in thirteen years that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I've that I've done. But in twenty thirteen, I'm on
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: this BFRO expedition. I'm helping out the the organizers. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I got up late to the camp site and I
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: set up my tent like on the far side of camp,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: right near the edge of the woods. Right it was
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a big clear clearing area, and we went out and
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: did normal BFRO stuff, banging on trees and anyway, you know.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: But we come and we didn't have didn't get any success.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: That evening, I get back, I go to sleep in
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the tent. Well, that night it got really cold. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: had an air mattress in my tent that had a
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: headboard on it, and what I ended up doing was
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: putting on a ball cap and then taking a towel
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and placing it over my face because it got down
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: to about twenty five degrees twenty four degrees overnight.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: So that way I could kind of breathe out the side.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: But I kept my ears, you know, because I kept
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: waking up because my ears were freezing. So I wake
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: up at three am, after I'm getting some good sleep finally,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and I realize I am bent at the waist, So
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I am, my shoulders are off the air mattress, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: that's about and I start waking up. And that's the
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: time I realized that something is cupping my head through
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the tent. So they have lifted me up off of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the mattress, air mattress and cupping my head. And and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: as I started waking up and turned it, it gently
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: set me down, gently set me down, and then you
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: could hear dermal ridges on the nylon goes zoo as
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: it released released me. And then I could hear something
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: bipedally walking off into the into the woods.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: So you're inside the tent.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I'm inside the tent. My head was right next to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the edge of the tent with this air mattress, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: it moved you in the night. It it cuped my
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: My head must have been right up against or right
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: near the side of the tent, and it it cupped,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it reached in and kind of threw the tent material
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: cupped my head and then looked.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Between you and because you were like moved while you
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: were sleeping.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I was, like I said, I was.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I was just bent at the waist, so I was
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: lifted up like that and then it let me back
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: down again. You were bent at was like this, yeah, yep,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: and it like I kind of like just reached in
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and pushed you up. You think pushed me up, but
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: it had. I could feel the hand on either side
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: of my head. Oh my god, dude, Yeah, why would
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: it do that? I don't know.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I know you don't know, but it's one of this questions.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I can tell you this from this, from this, from
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that moment on, since twenty thirteen, didn't matter what state
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I'm doing researching, because work takes me all over the place.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And then I would you know, I'd spend four or
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: five days in a city and I would go out
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: and I'd spend every night in the woods in those locations,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: so you no matter.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Where you were, You're just like, uh, where's the nearest
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: state park on there? Right?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I have had I've had actual sightings in
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: four different states, including you, know one of them Arizona,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and I've had encounter is in about sixteen states. Maryland, yes,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: actually Maryland was one of them. From Maryland along the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: b and O Canal area. Canal area, So if you
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: head west from Rockville.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Rockville is near Rockfield's near d C. It is, yes, Okay,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the Rockfields that's north of d C on the two seventy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely is.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you were over towards the so you're over
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: towards the Potomac River.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, I got you, Yes, And the b and O
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Canal kind of comes off from that direction.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know the area, but because I'm up
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: near Baltimore to Potapstrica River, oh okay, yeah, so yeah, okay.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: All right, I've been up in that area as well.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I've been in New Jersey. I actually got
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: call responses, you know, in New Jersey that was right
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: across from South Philadelphia. I mean they're right there there
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: there and urban areas I found them in in Long
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Island out in the middle of Long Island, in.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: The middle Long Island.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually in two locations on Long Island, one in
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the eastern Long Island, one in Central Long Island?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: What what are what are they? Carl, What what do
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you think they are? What are they? Do?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: They are? They're they're like us, they are people. There
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: are people's Okay, you know they're they're they don't look
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like us particularly, but you know they're they're close, you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and uh, but you know Long Island there was the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: last report of a of a sighting of a wild
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: man on Long Island was eighteen ninety nine at Rockaway Beach.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, real close in New York City.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yep, and but uh, you know, I decide
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I took a different route because I was like, there's
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: no way, you know, I want to. It was depressing
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: because initially I was in Manhattan and I knew that's.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: You know, whether you want to maybe such a park.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: There are some crazies there.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah you might. You might find a big
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: hairy man in Central Park, but not it was likely
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: not a South squatch, okay.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Right, but no. I started looking at paranormal websites, ghost
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: hunting websites where somebody would actually you know, they said, oh,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: there was a story of a woman whose child died
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: in the mid sixteen hundreds, and she cries for her
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: child every night. You hear her mournful howls.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like then here in Mexico.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ana, yeah, And you know, but you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: they went out to the woods where you know, her
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: spirit roams and and rocks were thrown at them from
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: out of thin air.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So I read all that and I said, hmm, wow,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: sounds like we saw we saw glowing red eye, you know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: in the way. And I was like, okay, so yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and so I I said, well that's so, and I
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: went there and sure enough I found structures and I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and I ended up starting started a gifting station there
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: where I would place apples and and uh and finally
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: after you know, apples were being taken. But you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: it could have been anything, right. I am my worst skeptic.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I've probably dismissed so much evidence, you know, over the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: over time that probably was a sasquatch effect.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But the I do, man did the way you call. Okay,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna this is what I do. Okay, being a
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: comic and a person who does what he does, I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: can read you. You're you are You're just in the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: best way possible to run in the mill. Guy, I
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: would say, rather intelligent, not hyper super intelligent, but a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: rather intelligent guy. And you just you have an interest
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and what the hell is this? It's interesting to me?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I love not then the unknowing and the running into
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: something that doesn't exist is very exciting to you because
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: it's so it fits your personality if it's my personality
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: as well. Uh, and it's just extremely exciting and extremely gratifying.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, it is, it really is. And you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and of course now i'm you know, I've kind of moved.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't go out there and try
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: to place camera traps and trick them and do whatever.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm out there in order to interact with them.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: And that's what the that's what people who have the best,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the best experiences, other people who go about it the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: way you do. Tom Cantrell have you heard of him?
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah I was. I had him
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: one and he's just like, I'll just go out there, man,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: and I just he's just passed rest in peace, he he.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I go out there, I put my lawn chair, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: get my diapepsy or whatever, and I started reading a book.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I start read a book. And next thing you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: they're just right there. Hey, what's up.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: They're coming around.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they're interested.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And so so you know, I in twenty nineteen,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I was in Alton, Illinois, and well actually I was
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: in Saint Louis doing work, but I went over to Alton,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Illinois to check out a couple of locations where I
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: was pretty sure that they were hanging out in and
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: but in summer twenty nineteen, there was a big flooding
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: on the Mississippi River. So I went to I went
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: over to this first location that I wanted to go into.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I was trying to get into these woods, and of course,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the there was a dirt road that came off of
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: this kind of you know, this two lane highway and
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: you know, and down into these woods. Well there was
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: it was flooded. I couldn't get into that area. So
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I drove around the other side and tried to get Nope,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: can't get in there. Whatever. So finally I came back
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to where I initially started and I parked the car
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and I was gonna do a call from the side
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: of the road and see if I got a response
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: out of those woods. And just as I got I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: got out of the car and I stood on the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: side of the highway and I thought to myself, you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: this is probably a perfect time for me to try
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: an experiment. So I just stood on the side of
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the road. I didn't say a word, and I only
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: thought to myself, if you're in there, if you're in
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: these woods, could you please knock. It wasn't within thirty seconds, crack,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: this tree knock comes out of the woods, right, And
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, and I was shocked first, of course,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: because I did not expect that to work. And then
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, thank you. And then I hear
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: in my head and I know it wasn't my own thought.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I hear in my head go in peace. I'm like,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, okay. And up until that point, up
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: until that point, I did not I hadn't experienced anything
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: like that, right, So so I just I waved to
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: the darkness and I got back in my car, you know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and I you know, and I drove to my second
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: location that I wanted to try out. Well, the same
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: thing happened there. It was flooded. In fact, this one
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: was like a swamp. I mean, you just it was
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of water in that area, and
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: so I did the same thing. I parked on the
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: side of the road, I got out, I stood there.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, you know, if you're in there,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: if you're in these woods, could you please knock. And
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: it was almost instantaneously I start hearing something by pedally
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: going slash slash, slash, like through water. And then it
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: was either a very very wet stick hitting a tree
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: or a very very wet arm slapping a tree. Because
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: but it was close enough that I could actually hear
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: the water droplets that sprayed off of the strike tree.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: You could hear it. And once again I was a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: little stunned that it worked again. So instead of saying
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: thank you, I thought to myself, what are you doing
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: in there? Right? And and I hear back in my
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: head catching frogs, all right? And with that, I thought
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: to myself, I used what I learned from stop number one.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, go in peace. And and then
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: I could hear some walking in the slashing through the water.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: And that was that.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And so I got back in my car. I went
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: down to the nearest pub and I got myself a you.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Know, a little drink.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like I was, like, what just happened?
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: You know? I was, Yeah, beautiful, wasn't doing what you're
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: doing right? You're you're using a scientific thing and software
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and development and all these things. How do you you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: how do you explain to a biologist or something like
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: someone at Harvard with the button down suit and all that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: How is it? Isn't it? I think in the end,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: my my opinion is that it's it's a mindset like
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: if you're open, very much open, but a lot of
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: people want to go and then step through that door
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and say all that the mindset of like some type
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: of craziness. No, it's like the mindset of being open,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: of like being open to listen, yes, and and and
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: feel and connect yep, yeah, coolly and now yeah.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Fast forward to twenty twenty three, I met my cousin's farm,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: which is actually up the Illinois River from in Illinois,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: not far from where I was. And in twenty thirteen
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I had stayed at one of their cabins on the
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: farm and I had something visit me at about three
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: in the morning, and I could see a shadow on
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the outside of the window through the curtain. But like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I said, ten years later, I'm back there, and I
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: was a little disappointed the night that I was staying
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: there that I didn't get a visitor. So I'm walking
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: from the cabin over to the main farmhouse and I
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: looked up and they have big bluffs on their property
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: that go up about three hundred feet and I'm as
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I'm walking down the dirt road to the farmhouse, I
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: looked up in the early morning. I looked up and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I just thought, right, I wonder
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: if I'm being watched, and and with and with that,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: there was a single tree, just a very thin probably
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe four or five inch diameter
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: tree just goes sapling, goes and shakes on the on
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: the side of this bluff. And I and I was
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: kind of shocked, and I went like, come on, I
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: just chuckle a little bit. I walked about another forty
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: to fifty feet towards the farmhouse and I stopped and
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I looked back up towards the hill and I thought
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: to my and I just thought to myself, do that again, right?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And that one almost instantly, that one single tree that
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: it shook before shakes again, you know.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: And.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: You know it's it's it's I I can't explain it,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you know, but I can repeat it, right. And isn't
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: that what part of sciences is being able to repeat
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: an event?
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Right, It's part of the events of the steps. It's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: like towards the end six or seven, that's one I
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: think the stuff is like review. Yeah, the scientific method.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I think there's going to I think there's you know,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: with this whole UFO, you know, people starting to kind
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: of like accepting. I think this is the next one,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the next, the next domino to fall analogy.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And I was actually a witness of the Phoenix Lights
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: in ninety seven as well.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: No ship you were you've seen the Phoenix Lights?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I did. I was writing pretty much almost underneath them.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I got to work late and one of.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: My students lives in Florida, and he lives about fifty
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: miles from Cape Canaveral, and they had a video of
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the fucking artemist going up yesterday. Yeah, you know you
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like, it's the world
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: is so small, man, and so it's just amazing. Man.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I love I love the way you do it. Man.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: I would if I were, I would do it the
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: way you do it really yep. And I would go
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: out with you. There's a lot of people I would
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: go a few I would go out with in your
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: movie one of them.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: It's funny that that people tell me. They said, they said,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: you're a squatch magnet, you know, because I've had thirteen
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: actual sightings, you know, all totally like I said, in
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: four states. But and they would say, well, how many
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: encounters have you had?
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  Speaker 1: And I go.
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  Speaker 2: Vulnerable, Yeah, exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And so what would you say to somebody who's who's
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: interested in this, Like what would you say to them?
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Like where a person is on the fence, like how
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: would you get them? Now? I mean, I don't I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: don't think you want to change your mind because I
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: think no, because that's not going to work. That's not
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: how you do anything.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Yet, changing someone's paradigm is is you know a lot
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: most of the time they just dig ag in even deeper,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: But what would you say to someone who's kind of like,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I's something about this is interesting
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to me. What would you say to them that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: You know they're they're out there? And like I said,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I I had a cat usual interest in them from
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: childhood but it was just kind of like, well they
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: could exist, you know, and and always kept that open mind.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: But it uh, I would say, don't be don't be
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: afraid of them, you know. And I can't speak for
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: dog man, right, but.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, yeah, they can't be a little unree
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to say the least. I mean, that's well.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Well, and most of the time, if if a bigfoot
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: is throwing rocks or sticks or slapping your house whatever,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: they're trying to scare you because they don't want you
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: there or maybe you're not in that right mindset right,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: and mindset is so key, man, it is extremely key.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you do do any type of like
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Eastern meditation type situation, do you like follow any of
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that stuff or is this just something it's just part
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: of who you are.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: It is part of who I am. And that's uh,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I really yeah, I don't do any like Eastern meditation stuff.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm just I'm a sensitive I'm very sensitive to
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of things. And uh and I think that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: that probably helped helps a lot. And uh And like
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I said, I've always had an open mind and very
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: curious and and I'm a friendly guy, so yeah, I
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: agree with that.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: You're a big That's the thing. When you're a big,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a big guy, you you're imposing just from your size.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: So it makes you that's that that you're like the
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: reverse of the Napoleon complex. You're uncomplicated. Yeah, exactly exactly.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I like using words that don't make them up as
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  Speaker 1: I go.
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  Speaker 2: Call.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Been fantastic. It was just great just meeting someone like you. Uh,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: it's been a long day of work for me, man,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and it was. It was fantastic. Man.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it so very much. I appreciate the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: It was wonderful. Man. All Right, guys, I hope you
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: guys enjoyed that one. Remember we are the I, we
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  Speaker 1: are aware, and I love y'all.