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172: You have been Zardozed · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 11: you guys already know what happened. Some of it was
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  Speaker 11: ground a week ago.
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  Speaker 5: Some of it wasn't.
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  Speaker 10: We did taste test it. You know, it all went fine.
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  Speaker 10: One of them was poison. We won't tell you which
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  Speaker 15: So, uh, to do a one-off geek week kind of thing, um, um, Bo,
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  Speaker 15: you have something that you've seen recently to throw out there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the other day I saw Hero Dreams of Sushi.
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  Speaker 2: It was a documentary about an 85-year-old sushi master in
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  Speaker 2: Japan who just runs a small little bar in a, um,
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  Speaker 2: Tokyo subway. And, um, At first, I didn't really know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what it was even going to be about.
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  Speaker 2: It was definitely the most captivating documentary I've seen in
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  Speaker 2: just a long time because it was not only about
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  Speaker 2: the art of sushi, but just about the love of
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  Speaker 2: one's job and just discipline one's life as well as
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  Speaker 2: tradition within Japan. So it was pretty multifaceted and just
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  Speaker 2: a lot of classical music to it where it was just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like watching almost sort of an orchestral performance, both,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with the music as well as just watching
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  Speaker 2: him make sushi to the tune of that. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was... Very enjoyable film. Highly recommend.
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  Speaker 10: And where was this?
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  Speaker 2: I called it The Village.
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  Speaker 10: But it is in theaters for the moment?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's currently just bouncing around in the U.S. Regretfully,
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  Speaker 2: it only had a week here.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Most stuff is lucky to get a week in any
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  Speaker 15: city anymore. So it's not surprising, really.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's... Especially now, it seems that the majority
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  Speaker 2: of the money is to be made in DVD versus... So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like there's becoming just less and
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  Speaker 2: less of an emphasis of something actually having legs in theaters,
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  Speaker 2: which is sad.
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  Speaker 5: And it's almost everywhere. I mean, New York, L.A., it's
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  Speaker 5: the same. You know, they'll get a run, but.
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  Speaker 15: It's kind of what's important. I'm shocked with The Hunger Games.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, can you think of the last time something
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  Speaker 15: went three weeks at number one?
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  Speaker 8: Paul Blart. It seems like he was at number one forever.
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  Speaker 16: Sadly, you're probably right.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: But, I mean, yeah, I mean, after Titanic, nothing did
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  Speaker 10: that anymore.
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  Speaker 15: And I guess the closest thing would be James Cameron
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  Speaker 15: again ten years later.
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  Speaker 6: Avatar, yeah.
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  Speaker 15: But that's probably the last time something sat at the
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  Speaker 15: top for, I mean, maybe you get two weeks sometimes.
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  Speaker 15: But more than that is unheard of at this point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still remembering when we had my big fat Greek
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  Speaker 2: wedding at Baxter for almost 11 months.
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  Speaker 10: No.
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  Speaker 2: It's never going to die.
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  Speaker 10: No.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 10: There are those weird ones that just hang around.
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  Speaker 5: Those kind of films do well, and then they end
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  Speaker 5: up killing theaters. The Vogue was murdered by the Full Monty.
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  Speaker 5: It was too popular. It wouldn't leave.
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  Speaker 15: And then nobody needs to go there anymore because everybody
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  Speaker 15: else in town has seen it already.
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  Speaker 8: The Full Monty Theater.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, might as well be at that point.
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  Speaker 5: Talk to Carl like six months in. He's basically, I
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  Speaker 5: wish this would end. And that brought a whole new
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  Speaker 5: group in to see it.
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  Speaker 8: Was that the last thing shown there?
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  Speaker 5: Not the last, but they were down within a few months.
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  Speaker 5: I think your friends and neighbors was the last picture.
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  Speaker 10: Because I think I saw pie. That was the last,
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  Speaker 10: like the week before, friends and neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Full Monty might have been, because when
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  Speaker 1: it closed, I was out of town. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it was the last thing that I saw there. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: that also.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of marks a bigger push towards open-end versus closed-end bookings, too.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no, just let it run as long as
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  Speaker 2: it's making money.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Vogue was a calendar house.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: For so long and then couldn't afford to stay at
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  Speaker 5: Calendar House.
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  Speaker 10: You can't just have one option anymore. No, if you're a.
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  Speaker 5: Single screen theater, it's impossible to survive because that money
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  Speaker 5: was going to the studios. They were getting a certain amount.
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  Speaker 5: By that time, Baxter was around and then people started
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  Speaker 5: to migrate. I hated to see it because I grew
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  Speaker 5: up with the Vogue. We tried to make that our
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  Speaker 5: ninth screen, but nobody was willing to be reasonable so
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  Speaker 5: yeah it collapsed.
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  Speaker 15: And on that fun note the death of independent movie
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  Speaker 15: theaters all right well well we will take a break
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  Speaker 16: The only good human is a dead human.
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  Speaker 4: the end. 20th Century Fox takes you beneath the planet
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  Speaker 4: of the apes. This is the year 3955 A.D. The
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  Speaker 4: to begin.
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  Speaker 6: The only good human is a dead human.
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  Speaker 4: Beneath the planet of the apes, with James Franciscus, Kim Hunter,
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  Speaker 4: Maurice Evans, Linda Harrison, and Charlton Heston, Can a world
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  Speaker 4: long endure half ape, half man? The answer lies deep
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  Speaker 4: beneath the planet of the apes. In color rated G,
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  Speaker 4: general audiences.
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  Speaker 18: I try to suppress these thoughts, but they leak out
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  Speaker 18: through the head wound of my third death.
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  Speaker 3: 20th Century Fox presents a John Borman film.
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  Speaker 6: Zardoz.
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  Speaker 2: They make you old, but they don't let you die.
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  Speaker 3: It took careful breeding to produce a slave who would
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  Speaker 3: free his masters.
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  Speaker 6: Zardoz. Vote, please.
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  Speaker 4: Sentence, George Satan will be aged five years.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, it's a bit frightening, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Zardoz, rated R, under 17, not admitted without parent.
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  Speaker 15: you know, get more out of life, see a fucked
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  Speaker 15: up movie.
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  Speaker 10: I believe that's what they're quoting him with, so I
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  Speaker 10: think that's perfect for this week's special movie. So, yes,
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  Speaker 10: with that, welcome back to Movie Vault on Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 15: This week's Sofa Theater feature is Zardoz. The year is 1974.
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  Speaker 15: Director John Borman, surprisingly enough, they plot, according to IMDb,
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  Speaker 15: in the.
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  Speaker 15: I like to clear it beforehand. I am not responsible
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  Speaker 15: for these monstrosities. In the far future, a savage trained
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  Speaker 15: only to kill finds a way into the community of
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  Speaker 15: bored immortals that alone preserves humanity's achievements.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 15: To an extent yeah that wasn't bad with that spoiler
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  Speaker 15: alert um i'd say you should run out and see
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  Speaker 15: zardoz but it i i don't know what to think
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  Speaker 15: really so you take it upon yourself i don't want
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  Speaker 15: to be responsible for the damage that.
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  Speaker 10: Zardoz does to people so.
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  Speaker 15: Take it upon yourself but just know we're going to
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  Speaker 15: spoil it from here on out so where would you
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  Speaker 15: like to begin can.
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  Speaker 12: I just say i was looking at the imdb page
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  Speaker 12: of this and the one user review at the bottom
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  Speaker 12: of the page um Like, these are just some quotes from...
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  Speaker 12: It's all from the same review. Like, some of the
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  Speaker 12: quotes are, everything but the kitchen sink. This movie is
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  Speaker 12: truly awful. Nine out of ten. Hairy back, leather thong,
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  Speaker 12: gun-toting Sean Connery. So, I think those... Those quotes, in
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  Speaker 12: a way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should begin with Sean Connery. His man diaper.
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  Speaker 17: And that inspired a thought in me, actually. I know
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  Speaker 17: that the Travis haircut didn't work out in terms of
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  Speaker 17: a fundraiser, but I was thinking if you promised to wear.
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  Speaker 16: The Zardoz costume.
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  Speaker 17: For Halloween with the diaper and the pirate boots and
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  Speaker 17: the ammunition holster.
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  Speaker 10: I don't even want to see that. No good would
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  Speaker 10: come of that. Nobody wants that.
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  Speaker 12: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 16: People would pay me not to wear that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a certain group of males that would probably pay
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money to see that.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, but not me.
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  Speaker 16: Some guys, not me.
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  Speaker 15: Well, I think, again, before we even get to the
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  Speaker 15: Sean Connery look, I think you know you're in for
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  Speaker 15: a special movie when, as the credits are rolling, you
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  Speaker 15: see a credit that is inflatables buy. When you've got
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  Speaker 15: a credit of inflatables buy, you know it's a very
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  Speaker 15: strange movie you're about to watch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if it weren't for the having to watch
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  Speaker 1: it for the show, Just the introduction by Zardoz.
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  Speaker 8: The floating head introduction.
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  Speaker 12: You get not one, but two floating heads in the
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  Speaker 12: first five minutes.
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  Speaker 8: I just about turned it off.
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  Speaker 11: I stopped the movie and started it over because I
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  Speaker 11: thought I turned on the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 16: You were on some sort of children's program.
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  Speaker 12: In a way, it's kind of like a disclaimer. Like,
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  Speaker 12: what you're about to watch is seriously fucked up. And
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  Speaker 12: I'm just going to let.
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  Speaker 8: You know that. The drawn-on mustache.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man. Well....
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  Speaker 8: I thought it really looked like, oh, is this going
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  Speaker 8: to be completely camp? Like, are we going to just.
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  Speaker 2: But in a darkened theater, the floating head is even
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  Speaker 2: more bizarre, because you don't have at least the comfort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're watching it in your home, and you've got,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all the rest of the furniture in the room.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, no, this is you and this floating head,
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  Speaker 2: and that is it, and this is where you're going
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  Speaker 2: for the next few hours.
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  Speaker 5: That's pure cinema.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Out of context, you would think that the opening scene
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  Speaker 12: of that movie is just a brilliant Monty Python sketch.
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  Speaker 16: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Or Hugh Laurie, or, like, Blackadder or something.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then when the Brutals are running at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: towards the Zardoz head, two of them trip.
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  Speaker 8: And I thought, this is going to be something. I thought,
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  Speaker 8: did they trip on purpose?
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  Speaker 13: They're Brutals.
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  Speaker 10: They're not very sophisticated.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it was.
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  Speaker 2: But really, I mean, within the first five minutes, you've
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  Speaker 2: got a stone head that comes floating down. You have
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  Speaker 2: all these people come running towards it wearing similar masks.
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  Speaker 2: and it spews out guns, and it's just, the gun
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  Speaker 2: is good, the penis is evil. It's like, how can
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  Speaker 2: you not be invested in the rest of the film?
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  Speaker 5: I was like, okay. I've got to see how this
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  Speaker 5: turns out.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: What context does this make sense with, then?
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  Speaker 17: And I love their reaction. It's like, the gun is good,
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  Speaker 17: and everyone's like, yay! And then he's like, the penis
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  Speaker 17: is evil, and everyone's just.
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  Speaker 15: Like, okay.
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  Speaker 5: They're still learning.
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  Speaker 10: If he says so.
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  Speaker 12: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 15: I kind of avoided this one, And for good reason,
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  Speaker 15: as most people probably had. So, and then I'd had
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  Speaker 15: so much built up around it. I'd seen the shot
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  Speaker 15: of him in the costume. And I'd seen, you know,
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  Speaker 15: I'd heard people describe it as this mess. And at
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  Speaker 15: Taxi Driver, we had the trailer, thanks to Bo.
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  Speaker 17: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The trailer's built like its own cult following.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's actually a Vogue remnant.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 6: Nice.
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  Speaker 15: But yeah, so even from the trailer, I think the
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  Speaker 15: trailer even doesn't do it justice.
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  Speaker 10: In a way, it makes it even more of a mess.
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  Speaker 15: The thing is, by the time we got into it,
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  Speaker 15: I was like, I expected way more of a train
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  Speaker 15: wreck than I got. I was like, it has a
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  Speaker 15: real story. It has a basic plot that I just
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  Speaker 15: expected a big mind fuck the whole way through.
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  Speaker 10: And I was just like, no, this is weird and
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  Speaker 10: self-indulgent at times. But it still follows a plot line.
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  Speaker 10: It's not as messed up as I expected, really. No.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: It was made in an era where, you know, there
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  Speaker 5: were a lot of trailers kind of done that way intentionally.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What's the year on Zardo?
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  Speaker 14: 73?
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  Speaker 6: 74?
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  Speaker 9: 74.
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, you know, there were a lot of
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  Speaker 2: those Giallo trailers coming out of Europe at the time
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  Speaker 2: that had that same sort of format.
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  Speaker 5: Tommy or any Ken Russell thing had a look and
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  Speaker 5: a really frenetic pace like that trailer. Kind of got
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  Speaker 5: you prepped.
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  Speaker 10: And I liked the.
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  Speaker 5: Big floating hit.
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  Speaker 10: Not the first one, but the stone one is awesome.
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  Speaker 8: The stone one, yeah, I made... I mean, for what
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  Speaker 8: was being shot?
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  Speaker 10: I'm thinking of building one in the backyard.
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  Speaker 8: Okay. One with grain in the.
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  Speaker 10: No guns. I want to see how it works. You know,
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  Speaker 10: it cuts out traffic.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 10: If somebody pisses you off, you just land on them.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, you could make a hot air balloon. That's the
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  Speaker 2: Zardoz hit.
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  Speaker 16: I would totally ride around in it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: If I were to win one of the big lotteries,
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: I would construct the Zardoz hit balloon.
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: And you'd throw guns out of the basket.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: I'd have a megaphone. I'd be screaming, you know, the
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: guns are good, the penis is evil.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: Go forth and kill!
• 17:35
  Speaker 15: The funny thing is, six people would look up and go,
• 17:37
  Speaker 15: that's hilarious. And everybody else would be like, who is
• 17:40
  Speaker 15: that crazy person?
• 17:41
  Speaker 17: And one person would be like, I've been waiting for you.
• 17:45
  Speaker 12: And start shooting.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: It's not about how many people get it, it's do
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the right people get it. And for those six people
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: who would get it, it would make their year.
• 17:52
  Speaker 16: Again, I would be on board with that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 10: If you win the lottery, I'm totally behind it. I'm
• 17:57
  Speaker 10: totally on board with that one.
• 17:58
  Speaker 12: It made me have a disturbing thought. How much of
• 18:02
  Speaker 12: this influenced.
• 18:03
  Speaker 13: The opening of Aladdin.
• 18:05
  Speaker 12: with the giant tiger head talking, because that's all I
• 18:07
  Speaker 12: could think of for some reason. How many child animators
• 18:11
  Speaker 12: who grew up to be working at Disney were like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 12: I need to, this is something right here. I need
• 18:16
  Speaker 12: to make this into a cartoon.
• 18:17
  Speaker 15: Well, okay, if we're going to go into the potentially
• 18:21
  Speaker 15: inspiring other people in the industry, okay, we have to
• 18:25
  Speaker 15: assume George Lucas saw this right. Because, I mean, you
• 18:29
  Speaker 15: obviously get the Princess Leia haircut. But then the more
• 18:32
  Speaker 15: I sat there, I was like, all of the Princess
• 18:35
  Speaker 15: Leia haircuts are represented in this movie. You get the
• 18:38
  Speaker 15: buns on several of them. You get our main co-lead
• 18:42
  Speaker 15: girls kind of got the little braids from Empire. And then, well,
• 18:46
  Speaker 15: Sean Connery's got the slave girl out. I mean, he's
• 18:50
  Speaker 15: got the braided ponytail. I mean, you've got all of
• 18:54
  Speaker 15: them covered there.
• 18:55
  Speaker 11: I kept thinking of a mix of like Princess Leia
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: and Bjork. Like somehow that whole thing had gotten together
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: and created all those people.
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure they would hang out together.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: This is coming to the time when Sean Connery's trying
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to break the image of Bond. It's like, I don't
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: think he had to go that far.
• 19:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah, all the way.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: But still.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I think he was on a wedding dress.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I loved that moment.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: That was great.
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: The wedding dress? Just because it was so unnecessary. Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: I mean, couldn't they have just, you know, put a
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: mask on him? There were 40 of those laying on
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: the ground around him.
• 19:26
  Speaker 12: That's just an internet meme waiting to happen right there.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Just that screenshot.
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: The fact that it hasn't happened.
• 19:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: Or that that should be my cake topper at some point.
• 19:37
  Speaker 16: This is why I'll never get married.
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: I feel like Sean Connery agreed to do it where
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: he's like, well, do I get to be around half
• 19:45
  Speaker 12: naked women the whole time and they're like yes he's
• 19:47
  Speaker 12: like well then shine me up the rest is history.
• 19:52
  Speaker 15: Yeah i heard he fought that but uh obviously not
• 19:54
  Speaker 15: hard enough but yeah i think like you said he
• 19:58
  Speaker 15: was well on one hand he was trying to shed
• 20:00
  Speaker 15: that image at at the same time i think the
• 20:03
  Speaker 15: way uh john boardman put it he was kind of
• 20:05
  Speaker 15: hard up for work you know he was He lost
• 20:07
  Speaker 15: his franchise for half of his career. So that's also
• 20:11
  Speaker 15: why they got him for relatively cheap compared to what
• 20:14
  Speaker 15: he had been making because he just needed direction at
• 20:17
  Speaker 15: this point.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: His Darby O'Gill residuals ain't going to last forever.
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: Coasting on that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 15: So, yeah, I think at this point he was also
• 20:25
  Speaker 15: just looking for a job and, you know. A major
• 20:28
  Speaker 15: character like this, I mean, you'll get a string of
• 20:30
  Speaker 15: movies out of Zardoz, right?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: It sets up a potential sequel, because at the end,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: there's a son.
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: Go for it. Zardoz Jr. coming this summer.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I think the time is ripe for reimagining.
• 20:46
  Speaker 16: That's the thing.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: People like to complain about all the impressive movies they do.
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: Nobody would really argue with them if they wanted. They
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: would say you're stupid for trying to do it, but
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: they wouldn't say you're going to ruin it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: Somebody would.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Put it in the hands, you know, that's actually a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: good question. You know, Aronofsky, I could see like a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sequel to that or a remake of that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: Well, that's the thing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a pretty stock movie. science fiction plot,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: when you strip off all the weirdness. I've seen these
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: kind of things before.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: The Society of Immortals. Or just mankind having divided into
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: two particular sects. I mean, it's a time machine, essentially.
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: That's what I was thinking.
• 21:22
  Speaker 15: It's got a very Morlocks kind of, you know, they're
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: just normal stupid humans, but it's very much broken up
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: into those two societies.
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: But that's what I was thinking.
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: It's got a somewhat traditional plot going on there, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 15: it's got relatively, like, smart themes going through it. It's got,
• 21:40
  Speaker 15: I mean, basically religion is designed to keep people under control.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: That's interesting.
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: You could definitely do a whole movie just focusing on
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: that and bringing that into play somewhere around there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: I feel like there's something to be said for sci-fi
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: movies where people ride horses.
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: I feel like we don't see that enough.
• 22:03
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I can see that theme.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: There were moments that had a little Planet of the Apes.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: Throwing nets over humans.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: A big giant head.
• 22:13
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: Nobody's screaming at the end. Right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but like the late 60s all through the mid-70s,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: those kind of films were around. They were kind of dominating.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: You had a lot of really weird, freewheeling science fiction
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: going on. And you couldn't make that kind of movie now.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: There'd be no potential market for it. The market, too.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: That didn't dominate so much back then. The Zardoz is
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: a very 70s picture. That's what I like about it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I guess you could almost argue that Kubrick sort of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: set that tone with 2001, where it's like you could
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: take a sci-fi plot and just make it something where
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it would be more surreal.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: He definitely had an eye on 2001 with the music
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: choices and things like that. It's in there. You could
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: get away with being surreal because half the audience was
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: high in the 70s, too.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Half the cast was, too.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Obviously.
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: That's another thing I noticed, especially towards the end there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: I was like, this was all just designed to be trippy, right?
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: Because this would have messed with your head if you
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: were high in the theater right now.
• 23:15
  Speaker 15: So I'm obviously doing it wrong sitting at home drinking
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: coffee and watching Zardoz.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: I'm like, this is just weird, and what the hell
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: is this scene for?
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: It's all right if you held your breath every five
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: minutes for as long as you could.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And then just watched.
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: That would explain why my brain is like, I.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Think because I really had trouble with the tabernacle scenes.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I thought they were, they, they, they felt like, they
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: felt like, um, in, uh, Conan, the destroyer, when he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: has to fight the wizard in the ice castle, it
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: felt like that scene, you know, and, um, not that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: obviously not that, because that came 10 years later, but, um,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And even that, when I was a kid, felt cheesy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah, I think the only way that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that could feel serious or anything would probably, if somebody
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: were to take some sort of mind-altering... It was.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Also sort of reminiscent of Man of the Golden Gun 2.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: When Bond is running around in the mirror room. Christopher
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Lee's character, Scarmanga's shooting gallery.
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: Well, that's, yeah, I mean.
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: Enter the Dragon as well.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: That's what I was thinking.
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: It's like, once you get into the quote-unquote tabernacle, I'm like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: it's just a deluxe House of Mirrors. It's a House
• 24:33
  Speaker 15: of Mirrors with video playback, basically. But, I mean, it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: not really anything different.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: More floating heads.
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 17: Lady from Shanghai, too.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: That scene went on forever, by the way.
• 24:44
  Speaker 17: Because I had to watch it before I came here,
• 24:46
  Speaker 17: and I was like, okay, wait, I'm pretty sure this
• 24:48
  Speaker 17: scene's going to be about five minutes, so I'm going
• 24:49
  Speaker 17: to go grab some food right now and come back,
• 24:52
  Speaker 17: and sure enough, sure enough.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: I think that stretch towards the end is the only
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: thing i really had a major problem with and that's
• 25:01
  Speaker 15: that's the part that like even years later you'll see
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: john boorman is like yeah i would have cut that
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: down even he admits i was being a little self-indulgent
• 25:10
  Speaker 15: here i thought all these shots needed to be here
• 25:12
  Speaker 15: and i mean you could that whole last 20 25
• 25:16
  Speaker 15: minutes you could have wrapped up in about 10 tops.
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: I mean it could have been a hell of a
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: lot quicker wrap up There's.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of images within that last 25 that could
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: also be the internet meme. Just Sean Connery coming up
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: with all the hands on him and just the projection.
• 25:32
  Speaker 15: That's another one I was thinking. All that stuff that
• 25:35
  Speaker 15: they do throughout the whole.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: Movie, that's a lot of effects. But the effects are
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: all practical, obviously, because they didn't have any other option.
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: And they all look relatively good. It's a good looking movie.
• 25:46
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't. dislike anything even the floating stone head
• 25:50
  Speaker 15: looked pretty damn good actually i was looking at it
• 25:52
  Speaker 15: going you can't i mean it doesn't look any worse than.
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: Any other movie at the time and then they get
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: into the.
• 25:57
  Speaker 15: I guess what would be considered the cheap effects of
• 25:59
  Speaker 15: just projecting images on people and like just doing like
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: glass screens and putting images in the in the scene
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: and i'm like if they did this kind of stuff
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: now with cg.
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: It would probably look terrible like it's.
• 26:12
  Speaker 15: It's that weird thing of them being too good for
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: practical effects and not being able to.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: That's one thing I always liked about all of Barman's films,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: is he's a very visual director. He's a very organic director.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: He tries to do everything in camera, traditionally. Even the
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: heretic in Exorcist II, which is just a nightmare.
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: Which derailed his career.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But even more modern stuff like Taylor of Panama, too.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: It's even there, but even Exorcist II still has some
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: gorgeous visual stuff in it. It's just a nonsense script.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: But I've always liked Borman's movies a lot. Zardoz is
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: just that really weird knot that happened in the mid-70s.
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: That's the other thing, is figuring out that he was
• 26:55
  Speaker 15: the director and just going, whoa, wait a minute.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: And then write, direct, and produce. It was his.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, he'd done Deliverance.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, yeah, post-Deliverance, he'd gotten recognition
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and probably money. It was huge.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was a huge film. He was nominated
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: for Best Picture. But it's very different. It's a very
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: natural kind of picture.
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: But on the strength of that, he was able to
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: do Zardoz.
• 27:19
  Speaker 20: That's amazing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: All of a sudden, you have full creative control.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: You can do anything you want in the world, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this is what he can do. There's other directors that
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: have done it, like the Coen brothers. Post No Country
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: for Old Men, the first thing they do is A
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Serious Man, which is just very eclectic. A lot of
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: people just did not get it, but I thought it
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: was a fun film.
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: I think one of the little things I read in
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: the wiki about that was that Deliverance, he had been
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: given full.
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: Autonomy on deliverance by the producers. They said, do whatever
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: you want. And he did whatever he wanted.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: It was huge.
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: And so they were like, dude, that was our bus.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: That'll work.
• 27:54
  Speaker 16: Do that again.
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: And then probably the scariest thing about all this, or
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: could have been the best, was that he almost did
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: Lord of the Rings.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: He was in talks to do that, and they couldn't
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: get the funding.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: That was when the Beatles wanted to do it. Oh, seriously?
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: They were involved. They started out wanting to do an
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: animated Lord of the Rings, post-Yellow Submarine. And then they
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: still wanted to do it, and I guess they were
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: intent on playing characters. And Borman was on board with
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: that for a while.
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: That happened for a while.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Because they own the rights. I think the Beatles actually
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: had the rights for a while. I just found that
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: out just last week.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: That almost changed the world.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It's like Lynch almost directing Return of the Jedi. That
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: would almost be just as ground-breaking. The bizarro world.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: I just can't imagine it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: After seeing Doom, we can probably say that probably is
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: one of the best.
• 28:46
  Speaker 21: That's what he did instead of James.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: Although I do hold a special place in my heart
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: for Doom.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: I like Doom.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: It's not really Lynch's. It's an interesting failure. It's not
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: really his fault. It's more the studio's fault.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Trying to get everything in there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: There's a lot of really cool stuff in there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I love the book.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Make it a PG film. It just wasn't going to work.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: But there's still some great stuff in that picture.
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: I mean, the Beatles is sort of the problem, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 15: looking at Excalibur, I'm like, he could do that kind
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: of movie. I mean, even this one, he does the
• 29:14
  Speaker 15: action relatively well. I mean, it's still, the basics of
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: this are still done fine. It's just a weirdo plot,
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: but I mean, it's, yeah, the nuts and bolts of
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: it are actually fine. So I could almost see him
• 29:24
  Speaker 15: being competent to do a Lord of the Rings. It's
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: just they wouldn't have had, well, definitely not the budget
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: or technology to do what.
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: Needed to be done to not make it really cheesy.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: No, Excalibur, you know, it's a gorgeous movie, and it
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: goes in strange directions at times.
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it gets those trippy scenes along.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: The way, too.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: It's kind of, you know, pure barman. I like all
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: of his pictures. I mean, going back to like Point Blank,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: you know, very different, you know, film noir, violent picture,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: very different. You just don't see that kind of freedom
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: with directors anymore at all. They're expected to make one
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: kind of movie. One after the other after the other.
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: Unless you make millions and millions. If you're Christopher Nolan now,
• 30:07
  Speaker 15: you can kind of make whatever you want. But even then,
• 30:09
  Speaker 15: I don't know what he's going to.
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: Do after Batman. If they're going to let him do
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: his own kind of movies. I don't know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: He's been doing projects in between. Inception falling between. Which
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is smart.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of The Prestige. It's a great movie.
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: But I'm thinking that's about the only person now that
• 30:26
  Speaker 15: sort of has carte blanche, go to town, do whatever
• 30:28
  Speaker 15: the hell you want kind of power.
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: He's about it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: There's not a whole lot anymore. They gave it to
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Jackson after Lord of the Rings, and he did his Kong.
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: And that killed it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: It flopped. Half a billion dollars wasn't enough. And the
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: same thing just happened to Andrew Stanton with John Carter.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: The same with Lovely Bones, too. They didn't get any
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: recognition whatsoever.
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: Did John Carter flop?
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what Disney would have you believe. It's very
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: much a hit job out on that picture.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: That's what I felt like. Well, you know, Richard Ross
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: just lost his job Friday.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: The CEO.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: I'm very happy about that. He kind of made it
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: a personal vendetta against Stanton, in my opinion, because the
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: movie was green-lighted before his administration, and it just kept
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: getting more expensive, and Disney wants to get away from
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: live action.
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: Mm-hmm.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: So this was taking them down a road they didn't want.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: So they did, you know, basically non-promotion on it and
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: did no merchandising on the picture.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Dumped it in March.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: And I like John Carter a lot. I'm a fan.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I read the books. Yeah. It helps to be a fan,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: but it's not a bad movie. But five days in,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Disney's calling it the biggest flop in cinema history. They
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: are calling it themselves.
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah, which is ridiculous.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Which is trying to save, you know, the investors.
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Well, plus, Andrew Stanton is Pixar, and they've never had
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the best marriage.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: And that's what happened to Ross. I was just reading
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: about it. He started pointing the finger directly at Pixar
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: and their style of filmmaking, and that made everybody at Pixar...
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Everything they touch is gold. And that made everybody at
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Pixar angry, and they pointed at Ross, and Iger fired him.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: He let him resign.
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: They just need to remake Zardoz.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: They'll do it better than anybody.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I want a Zardoz Pez display.
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: That would be awesome.
• 32:20
  Speaker 16: That would be awesome.
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: I've seen merchandising is what he means.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: A bottle opener that's just the head. I mean, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: could do so many things with that head.
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: You could make a fortune just selling T-shirts.
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: The last, like, 20 minutes.
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: Just scream.
• 32:30
  Speaker 13: Scream stealth.
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: Just, you know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Or just take the, just make a faux painting of, like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: A family portrait of Connery. Skeletons on the chair. A
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: mockery of American Gothic.
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: Right. Sean Connery just slipping into the prison.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: Like, whoa.
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: What, that was smooth?
• 32:53
  Speaker 16: What are you talking about?
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: That was one of the best.
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: Parts.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: That fall.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: trailer last week.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: That was the one spot that everyone laughed.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: Everyone laughed.
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: The thing that kept me going through that whole movie, though,
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: was that it got in my head at the beginning.
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: This is why Superman's parents sent him away from Krypton.
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: Because this is Krypton.
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: Immediately after they got rid of their kid.
• 33:23
  Speaker 16: It just felt like that.
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: It felt like all the Krypton stuff out of the
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: first movie.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: This is a terrible place.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: No wonder.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I thought the only thing that I felt was just,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you know. really kind of pushing it on plausibility level
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and almost unnecessary. It was the whole revelation of the
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: twist at the end where it's based on wizard of Oz.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who made that decision?
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Wizard of Oz.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Night Shyamalan.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Well then.
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: I didn't quite get that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: I wanted to reconnect that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Zardoz.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Zardoz.
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 15: I was trying to think, cause then it reminded me
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: of like, I know I've seen that version of what,
• 34:02
  Speaker 15: else have we seen the giant head and somebody inside
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: operating it pretending to be a god like what how
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: many other and i'm trying to think of some i
• 34:09
  Speaker 15: remember there's like a futurama episode like that and there's
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: i mean but what i'm trying to think is there
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: other like movies that we've seen or what else is
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: there that is stolen that idea because i've seen a
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: lot of that it seems like i can't.
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: Remember anything specific but it's i know.
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: It's always a trope yeah Maybe Prometheus, twist ending.
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: That giant head.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: Not no way, not no how.
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: He'll just show up.
• 34:35
  Speaker 16: I don't know.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I swear.
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: But I kind of like that angle, but again, it's almost...
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: I mean, I guess.
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: which is worse, to steal it from Wizard of Oz
• 34:46
  Speaker 15: and not acknowledge it or just go, oh, and he read.
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: This book and stole the whole end of Wizard of Oz.
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: It helped me as a tool to remember the name
• 34:53
  Speaker 17: of the film because I've been calling it everything other
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: than Zardoz for the last two weeks.
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I was calling it Zardoz. So I was grateful
• 35:01
  Speaker 13: for that. See, that's the meme right there. Xanadu.
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: Man, Zardoz.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Just any movie that works itself up to a twist revelation.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: For the better part, I'm usually like, eh.
• 35:15
  Speaker 16: I don't know.
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: I didn't even think that was a twist so much.
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: I didn't feel like it was a twist.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like they were shooting for it to be
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: like a big twist revelation.
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: I was just so.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: Surprised by everything I saw that I wouldn't have been surprised.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I thought the whole thing was just a twist. No,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the hilarious, you know, him poking his head out through
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the books, you know, when that's revealed. That cracked me up.
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: Those weird shots.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of that actor who's playing the
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Zardoz character who's manipulating the whole thing. He seems familiar
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: If it weren't for the drawn-on.
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: Beard, I'd probably recognize it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure had Victor Buono still been around.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: He would have been ideal.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: What is it you want?
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Sweet death? Oblivion?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: For yourself?
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: Or for the whole vortex?
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: For everybody. An end to the human race.
• 36:16
  Speaker 22: That has plagued this pretty planet for far too long.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: You stink of despair.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Fight back.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Fight for death, if that's what you want. I thought
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: at first you were the one to help.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: But it's hopeless.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: All my powers have gone.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: Do we want to go through the.
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: breakdown of the groups of people because there's it's weird
• 36:46
  Speaker 15: once you get into it and start realizing how much
• 36:49
  Speaker 15: of a society to have in these different levels and
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: Once they start assigning them all specific names, then.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I just love how terrifying the rest home, or whatever
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you want to call it, is, where everybody's been aged,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and they're senile, but they're still horny, and it's just
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: so weird.
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: And they're in a perpetual school dance.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Of all the places, of all the groups that I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: would willingly join, that would be it. You know, I mean,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: they're surrounded by crazy people, but they all were a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: little bit more sane than the rest.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: Of them, I think.
• 37:19
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I like that. And Fred made that reference at
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: some point where he was just like, these are the only.
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: What did he say?
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: Something about these... I'm starting to identify more and more
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: with these people.
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: Well, you get to do your own thing there.
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: I mean.
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but... Yeah, go ahead with starting the list. Because
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: I'm sure we have something to say about each of them.
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: Well, I was going to say, the other.
• 37:43
  Speaker 15: option you know the apathetics you don't have to worry
• 37:46
  Speaker 15: about doing much once you join that group no i
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: like the the that was just a weird thing to
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: throw in there because really they barely factor in but
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: there's those couple of scenes of creepiness going on and.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Well the apathetics we're gonna have a pretty big apathetic
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: chunk to our society you know given a number of years.
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: I don't know i think half of them.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Are already there i i just loved um you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: when everything starts to go to shit at the end
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and they're finally waking up and, you know, realizing that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they're going to have their orgies or whatever with everyone,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: but they have to explain it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: To you as you're doing. We enjoy this now or
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: whatever they said. I, you know, we're going.
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: To educate him. Like what's that show where like the
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: black and white silhouettes are like putting the two like pieces.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: Of the word together. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Electric sardines electric sardines yeah right yeah but yeah that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: just seemed awkward i mean they were awkward anyway but but.
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: At the same time do you feel like everybody grasped
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: all of what's going on in this.
• 38:52
  Speaker 15: Movie no they felt the knee and i did that's
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: the thing i think he felt the knee like he
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: could already tell midway in people aren't gonna know what
• 39:00
  Speaker 15: the hell's going on because he borman said he tacked
• 39:02
  Speaker 15: on that intro with the floating head the first part
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: Because he was already afraid.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: People did not know.
• 39:08
  Speaker 15: I don't know if they did test audience, but he
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: already said, you know, people are going to be confused
• 39:11
  Speaker 15: right off the bat. I need to at least lay
• 39:14
  Speaker 15: out the fact that, you know, who this guy is
• 39:16
  Speaker 15: and that this part of it, you know, he's not
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: really a god, sort of, kind of. Yeah, he already
• 39:21
  Speaker 15: felt the need before the movie came out to start
• 39:24
  Speaker 15: explaining himself.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: And they still practice today.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But uh i mean it's it's a little gratuitous but
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you can tell watching it that the intent is for
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: something to be there versus you know like watching the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: last half hour of mulholland drive where it's like.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: No you're just yeah exactly you're.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Just throwing shit up on the screen it's like you
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: didn't get it well that's your problem yeah yeah No,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I know there's nothing there. You're not fooling me, Lynch.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I love you, but you're not fooling me.
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: We've got, what else? We already covered the renegades. They're
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: our favorites, I suppose. Crazy old bastards.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: And those were explained to be the elders and the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: scientists and all of that.
• 40:06
  Speaker 15: They were just people who weren't going along with the system, basically.
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: You were punished, almost.
• 40:13
  Speaker 15: I did kind of like that, that you were like
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: your punishment was age. You know, you were saddled.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: You still live forever.
• 40:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but you get to be old. That's kind of interesting.
• 40:22
  Speaker 15: And again, that's almost its own entire movie right there.
• 40:25
  Speaker 15: Like if you just made a plot around that being
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: sort of the key, that's a movie right there. They
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: almost threw way too much stuff at this one plot.
• 40:33
  Speaker 15: Like there's three or four different good movies in the
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: middle of this mess that if you sort of fleshed
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: it out, you could have.
• 40:39
  Speaker 10: Some interesting stuff there.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: There's definitely science fiction show connections.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I can think of 15.
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: Episodes of Star Trek that start from some part of
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: this movie that definitely scarred some.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Like we were talking about earlier.
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: Like a director.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: went on to.
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: Be successful, but he was scarred by this, and he
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: had to get it out.
• 41:00
  Speaker 15: That was one of the ones I did think of,
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: was how many times in Star Trek have we, let's
• 41:04
  Speaker 15: pretend to be a god in this plot line? Two
• 41:07
  Speaker 15: of the movies, the original cast are, let's pretend to
• 41:09
  Speaker 15: be a god. So I was like, in several episodes,
• 41:12
  Speaker 15: in both series, I think.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: That was the episode that was on last night on
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Meet Me TV, was Who Mourns for Adonis, where Apollo
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: is there demanding to be worshipped. Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: So it definitely works its way into sci-fi many, many times.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: What does God need with a stone head?
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: It looks cool. Spits out guns. There's no downside to this.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: It's the coolest possible God.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: Why wouldn't that be a t-shirt? Like a heavy metal t-shirt?
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: A big stone head spitting out guns?
• 41:42
  Speaker 13: I'm working on that.
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: That would be an album cover. You wouldn't even have
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: to have music.
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: You could just sell the band with the t-shirt. I'm
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: just making that our t-shirt.
• 41:52
  Speaker 16: What are you talking about?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Well, there is a website that's up that actually you
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: can print out the face. And it's basically almost like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: a folding sort of origami head that you can make
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to wear on yourself.
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: Very.
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: I'm going to spray paint it red and wear it
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: around on Halloween. Did somebody come.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Out to Baxter last Halloween with a Zardoz hat?
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, nice. Scared my little girl badly.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: He's asked to intro the film. He's like, can I
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: intro the film to Zardoz?
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: I'm like, sure. You bet.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I'll give you carte blanche. That's like 15 minutes you want.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: As long as you keep it frigging weird. Does he
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: have to wear the outfit?
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: Please no.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I'll slip him some acid beforehand. That way he's just
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: spewing out nonsense as he talks. It'll work well.
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: As long as he says go forth and kill.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: The more non-sequitur, the better.
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, watching this, I had to stop and remind myself
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: several times, like, okay, yeah, this was back in the
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: 70s where you could have a character like... telepathically like
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: attack someone and like hold like point their fingers and
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: just hum really loudly and the audience.
• 42:52
  Speaker 21: Would go whoa look out like back intimidated like that's
• 42:55
  Speaker 21: intense i swear that and it wasn't at all cheesy
• 42:58
  Speaker 21: i i kept getting uh you talk about lucas i
• 43:00
  Speaker 21: kept getting a lucas vibe like oh that's darth vader
• 43:02
  Speaker 21: choking a guy three years.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Before it was beneath the planet of the eight yeah
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: why is this people at this table are just like
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: like you know it's a lot like it's like you're
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: supposed to be actually i mean that too i mean
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of um Beneath the Planet of the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Apes and Zardoz. It still goes back to that traditional
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: sci-fi plot where it's like you've got the alleged perfect
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: society and the other society that's just gone off to
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the wild.
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: I mean, that is a classic sci-fi scenario and leads
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: to good arguments, I suppose, of what to do with it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: And I think that's why he went into this is
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: that once you've got that perfect society, once you live forever,
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: what the hell do you do with yourself? I mean, it,
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: It is kind of a big question that, you know, after.
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: A few generations, what the hell do you do now?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: It goes back to the question you were posing earlier
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: in the way of a society worshiping something odd. And
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: these Planet Apes, they're worshiping, you know, the atom bomb.
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: The bomb, yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I kept having almost a flashback in this.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school as a youth, and in
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: fourth grade we had an assignment to talk about what,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the afterlife would be like, as described to us at
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that point.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: And on my paper, one thing, we had.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Like 10 minutes or whatever, and it would be, I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: would blank, was how you were supposed to, and I wrote,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I would be bored. And she came around after about
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes, and she said, do you have anything else?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I said, so far, no. And she said, Well, that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: can't be it. And I was like, but that's kind
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: of how I feel about it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: I think you're probably the only kid that got it, really.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And for the longest time, I kept asking that question.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: At some point, aren't you going to get bored by
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: what you're giving me of the way they see it?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of how they were. They had reached
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the end of where their minds could take them or
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: where their science could go, and they just wanted to die.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: So how did your exorcism go after that?
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 15: The power of Zardoz compels you!
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: So we also.
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: Get into the Eternals, and I did at least want
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: to address the men. Has there ever been a girlier
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: group of men than.
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: The Eternal men?
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: Well, they were impotent.
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 15: Obviously, that starts to take its toll, because that, oh
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: my god, the clothes, the hair, that... it's the weirdest
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: group of guys you ever did see. And yet the
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: women totally took over and we're on top of things
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: and we're in charge of science and we're, yeah, it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: very interesting the way that society played itself out as,
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: as that weird thing went on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I guess May was the rogue scientist, but what typically
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: would be the male and then what was the other
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: one has ends up being his wife's name.
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: Um, Consuela.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Consuela. And Claudia. She turned into the, you know, to
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: the hunter.
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah, she becomes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: And so the male roles are with the women in that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: It's very interesting.
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: And again, that poses, again, this is a lot bigger questions.
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: It poses that, like, once you live forever, you don't
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: have to procreate. If you don't have to procreate, do
• 46:27
  Speaker 15: you lose that entire portion of it? Like, is there
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: then no need to have physical intimacy? If, you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 15: is there something so genetic about us that if we're
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: not procreating, you start to lose interest altogether. Again, there's
• 46:40
  Speaker 15: a lot of cool things thrown in there. It's just
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: got a lot of other stuff piled on top of it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: It's also a Star Trek episode.
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: I think that's where half this stuff ends up.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: All sci-fi comes from Star Trek or Twilight Zone.
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: I think all sci-fi has already been hit.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like that episode of South Park where
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: they talk about how the Simpsons.
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: Have already done that. There's already been a Simpsons episode
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: about that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 15: Yeah, the Simpsons looped back around on themselves about 15
• 47:14
  Speaker 15: seasons in, and they still kept on going.
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: Simpsons guys have to tell themselves, oh, wait, Simpsons did that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 15: Remember last year when we did this story?
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: Ah, keep drawing, whatever.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: If you go any further back, I could just say
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: everything comes from Burroughs and Bradbury.
• 47:28
  Speaker 12: Well, yeah.
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: Mm-hmm.
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: Okay, I think I have to say the best quote
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: in the movie was, was it some, like, where Sean
• 47:37
  Speaker 12: Connery says, he who fights dragons for too long becomes
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: a dragon himself? I was thinking, like, in 20 years
• 47:43
  Speaker 12: down the line, he's going to eat those words.
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: When Dragon Talk comes.
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: Out.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: Nice job.
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: That's all I can think of.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Seemingly decaying flesh.
• 47:58
  Speaker 20: The sweet scent of putrefaction already in the air. He's
• 48:03
  Speaker 20: a fine, strong beast, dear May.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: What exactly do you want to do with him?
• 48:09
  Speaker 20: A full genetic study. Break its DNA code. See if
• 48:12
  Speaker 20: there are any structural or evolutional changes since ours were
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: analyzed 200 years ago. Discover any new hereditary disease factors
• 48:19
  Speaker 20: that may have emerged, which might result in broadening our
• 48:21
  Speaker 20: immunization spectrum. Study its emotional and psychic elements in relation
• 48:25
  Speaker 20: to its sociology.
• 48:27
  Speaker 18: That all sounds respectively scientific, but what is May's underthought?
• 48:32
  Speaker 18: Not long ago, she was asking for new births, although
• 48:34
  Speaker 18: we have no death. We are perfectly stabilized. We said
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: no to May. Now she wants to bring in this
• 48:40
  Speaker 18: animal from the outside. Think about equilibrium. Remember the delicate
• 48:45
  Speaker 18: balance we must maintain. The presence will dismay our tranquility.
• 48:51
  Speaker 18: May is a great scientist, but she also has destructive tendencies.
• 48:55
  Speaker 15: I was just thinking... weird the the green bread just
• 49:01
  Speaker 15: is that the future green.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Bread that they had that they had an old you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: know mill lining up everything and next to it had
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: this like space baker space oven if you have that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: why why why do you have the two Where'd you
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: lose the technology?
• 49:20
  Speaker 15: Yeah, if you've got the space oven, then why is
• 49:22
  Speaker 15: it you're pulling a rickshaw around? And then he's the
• 49:26
  Speaker 15: bread paper boy.
• 49:27
  Speaker 10: That was my favorite. For some reason, just as he
• 49:29
  Speaker 10: got there, everybody.
• 49:30
  Speaker 15: Just trembled over bread like he's checking on the daily news.
• 49:34
  Speaker 17: Surprisingly lovely moment where he hands the love to the
• 49:38
  Speaker 17: one lady, and he says, I used to be in
• 49:39
  Speaker 17: love with that girl, and they keep going.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: And it's like, oh.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: I think the one guy that he just shoves it
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: in his mouth. And he goes through the rest of
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: the scene with the bread just in his mouth.
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: I don't care, I'm not pathetic.
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: That guy's kind of a jerk, but he's more, he's
• 49:55
  Speaker 15: like the most entertaining of any of them. He's just,
• 49:58
  Speaker 15: as he calls him, monster every step of the way.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: He just constantly talks down to him, but yet, he's
• 50:04
  Speaker 10: his friend.
• 50:05
  Speaker 16: Literally, you know.
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: We can't think of anything else to call this guy.
• 50:08
  Speaker 10: He'll be your friend. Yeah. I was like, really?
• 50:11
  Speaker 12: Was it just me, or was the bread dough green?
• 50:14
  Speaker 16: Yeah, it's green bread.
• 50:16
  Speaker 10: That was the future. I don't understand. In the 23rd century,
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: it's just how it is.
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: I feel like he did that kind of stuff on purpose,
• 50:24
  Speaker 11: like all the incongruities, all the stuff that doesn't make sense.
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: It's just like trying to beat you into submission in
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: this movie.
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: So that you stop asking those questions.
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: Accept my reality.
• 50:33
  Speaker 11: It's like being in a sensory deprivation tank, just like
• 50:37
  Speaker 11: the opposite.
• 50:38
  Speaker 15: One of the few things he did that I thought
• 50:40
  Speaker 15: was interesting, you usually get a very futuristic world and
• 50:45
  Speaker 15: everything's futuristic. He had these remnants of all the old stuff.
• 50:49
  Speaker 15: and then futuristic jammed in there. So you did have
• 50:51
  Speaker 15: the like busted apart house with giant inflatable bubbles coming
• 50:55
  Speaker 15: out of it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: And you did have the mill with the space oven.
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: And yeah, I don't know.
• 50:59
  Speaker 15: He, he sort of had that leftover, which again is
• 51:02
  Speaker 15: very kind of planet of the apes. You've got this
• 51:03
  Speaker 15: leftover dead society and then, you know, the future world
• 51:07
  Speaker 15: still sort of trying to push it out of the way.
• 51:10
  Speaker 15: But this is sort of in that middle step, which
• 51:12
  Speaker 15: you never see. You always get super, you know, they've
• 51:14
  Speaker 15: knocked down the old stuff, built nothing but new. And
• 51:16
  Speaker 15: you You rarely get this in-between stage where it's both
• 51:19
  Speaker 15: jammed together.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like Star Wars in that respect. It's
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: kind of like Tatooine. It reminds me of that. So
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Lucas probably was keeping an eye on that as well.
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: Once again.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Because you've got a lot of very primitive structures with
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: occasional bits of technology thrown in.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And that concept also reminds me of what Julie Tamar
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: did for Titus, too. Because you kept that old Roman structure,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: but you had modern vehicles in that interacting.
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: I thought that was kind of cool.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: You actually do get that kind of.
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: Thing in Shakespearean movies recently or plays in general. They'll
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: play it in some kind of weird historical setting that
• 51:58
  Speaker 11: just sets you off.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: It's like you have the Richard III of Ian McKellen
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: where they just made his whole monarchy almost like this
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: allegory for the Nazis. That was always a fun adaptation.
• 52:08
  Speaker 12: They always take place in an alternate universe where that
• 52:12
  Speaker 12: kind of version of English language is still like there
• 52:17
  Speaker 12: in the 20th century.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're kind of true to the text, but they
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: changed the whole setting.
• 52:23
  Speaker 17: Yeah, my kingdom for a horse, something completely different, which
• 52:26
  Speaker 17: is a great line, or a great interpretation of that line,
• 52:29
  Speaker 17: if you remember.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Going back to Star Trek, they worked plenty of Shakespeare
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: in Star Trek VI, so I guess we can throw
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: that in.
• 52:35
  Speaker 12: It all goes back to Star Trek.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: And Sherlock Holmes, you know, all that. Yeah, just one
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: thing about Zardoz that personally is funny is that my grandmother...
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: after not going to the movies, you know, probably since
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: the 50s, decided to start going back to the movies
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: in the early 70s. And the movies she would pick
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: would be the strangest things. And the first film she
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: saw was Rosemary's Baby on a re-release. Then Deliverance.
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: And then Zardoz.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Because she liked the stars. And she would come out
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: more and more confused every time. Because I knew about
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Zardoz from reading Famous Monsters. I was a little kid.
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: And the fact that my grandma went to see it
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: just freaked me out. And she could not really explain
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: what was going on. She shook her head a lot.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I can imagine if it was my grandma, she would
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: have come out and said, I'm never going to.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: That was close to the end for her, I think.
• 53:25
  Speaker 17: And may have locked herself in her.
• 53:26
  Speaker 12: Home for the rest of her life.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: One of mine, I think I told you, it was
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: when I was first getting into like Lynch stuff. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I was just, we were up at the rental store.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and I was looking at a copy of Blue Velvet,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: just casually, and she's like, oh, we should get that.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: And I was like, really?
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I love Dennis Hopper in that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay. It's just the most awkward thing
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to sit there and watch with your grandmother.
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: What's that scene in the movie The Squid and the
• 53:51
  Speaker 12: Whale where he, like, Jeff Daniels takes his son, and
• 53:52
  Speaker 12: he's like, Blue Velvet's supposed to be interesting, and just
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: cut to them in the multiplex just awkwardly sitting.
• 53:57
  Speaker 13: Isabella Rossellini's just screaming nude, and he's just really uncomfortable.
• 54:00
  Speaker 13: He's there with his dad.
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It pretty much was like that.
• 54:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: Frank Booth screaming, I'll fuck anything that moves. Granny sitting
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: there watching. That's weird.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: It just makes her happy. I don't know. A few
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: days later, I get this call from her. She's like,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: do you go on eBay much? I was like, I do.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: She's like, I've got some nude photographs of Burt Reynolds.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I'd like to know what those are. The first call
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I get in the morning is this.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: Can she sit in on the show?
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Laughter She was kind of, didn't she date?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: She dated Warren Oates.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: She's like this wild woman. She was a preacher's daughter.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And Freddie Blassie, too.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Freddie Blassie.
• 54:46
  Speaker 15: No.
• 54:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Because I remember I was like, Freddie Blassie.
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: She's like, yeah, the wrestler.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I know who you're talking about.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, you know, he liked to wrestle outside
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of the ring, too.
• 54:54
  Speaker 20: I was like, no.
• 54:55
  Speaker 16: I can't hear this.
• 54:56
  Speaker 10: Please stop talking. Wake up two in the morning screaming.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this.
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: She's a stressful woman.
• 55:04
  Speaker 15: Well, on that note, did you hear who was originally
• 55:11
  Speaker 15: supposed to be in this movie?
• 55:14
  Speaker 13: Burt Reynolds. And you can see it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 10: You can see it.
• 55:19
  Speaker 15: It's definitely that look still, and it seems odd on,
• 55:22
  Speaker 15: and that's why every time I looked at it, I'm like,
• 55:24
  Speaker 15: what the hell is Connery doing? From years ago, seeing
• 55:28
  Speaker 15: that photo of him, I'm like, first of all, that
• 55:29
  Speaker 15: outfit's horrible, but on top of that, the ponytail and
• 55:32
  Speaker 15: the mustache and But you can totally see it on
• 55:35
  Speaker 15: Burt Reynolds in the 70s.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's like this iconic image, and I don't know if
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: it's because we show the trailer a lot, but just
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: today I was working and these two girls were showing
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: up to see, oh God, what's that Zac Efron thing? Oh,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Get Lucky or something like that? The Lucky One, the
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Lucky One, that's what it is.
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: It's the new notebook.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that insipid thing, but they were buying tickets and
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, this girl sees the picture of Conner.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, that's from Zardoz. I'm like, whoa, whoa.
• 56:04
  Speaker 16: Impressive.
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: Do you want to give your ticket back? You don't
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: want to go to that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 15: Somebody seeing this movie that knows what Zardoz is, that's interesting.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Very bizarre. Once you see the image of Connery and
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: you know what film that is, it sticks with you.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Whether it's good or bad. About Burt Reynolds.
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: I've pictured.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: You know, Sean Connery is, you know, I figured he
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: was a hairy man. But there was one.
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: Spot where I was watching it. Kate was kind of
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: not watching it. She not watches a lot of movies
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: with me.
• 56:42
  Speaker 10: Especially the ones we tell you to watch.
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: You're right.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: And I said, that is the most amount of armpit
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: hair I think I've ever seen.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: And I said, I think he might even rival Burt Reynolds.
• 56:54
  Speaker 12: It's funny.
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: There you go.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: It's basically the same person. Because I thought, I was like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: that's got to be an armpit toupee.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: My legitimate question is, why wasn't it Burt Reynolds?
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: He got sick.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Was it?
• 57:02
  Speaker 10: It was that.
• 57:03
  Speaker 15: Because he was set to do it, and there was
• 57:05
  Speaker 15: some sort of illness involved, and it fell through. And again,
• 57:08
  Speaker 15: Sean Connery was hard up trying to make a name
• 57:10
  Speaker 15: for himself still, you know, post-Bond.
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: So, yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: And Burt goes out for Han Solo, and you can't
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: look either.
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: It all is supposed to be a certain way.
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: That, again, would change the world.
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: I believe so.
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: So is this before or after Smokey and the Bandit?
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: Before.
• 57:29
  Speaker 10: Before, yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: So it could have been Burt Reynolds as Zardoz and
• 57:33
  Speaker 11: Sean Connery as.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: I just can't see. Let me tell you, Trans Am.
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: There you go.
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: Let me tell you, Smokey. I can see this going down, yeah.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 57:47
  Speaker 12: I mean, it's up there.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: The image of Connery like that, it's up there. I've
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: got the teaser poster for the Avengers. Just Connery dresses
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: August the winner with his kilt. Speaking of movies that are, well,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that one's got a lot of cool visuals.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: That's just bad, bad. There's nothing much redeeming about that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: So bad I never watched it, and I'm a huge
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: fan of the show. I just couldn't bring myself to
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: It's just, God, that movie is just so absurd and
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: so incoherent. I mean, it's got tons of great visuals
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: in it, but there is no plot whatsoever to it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I think I might be the only person here at
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: the table.
• 58:20
  Speaker 13: No, the weather machine.
• 58:21
  Speaker 8: I just didn't want to admit to it.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: That's what it was.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like I should see it, but I just can't.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I can't do it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 15: The thing was, I'd seen it and I forgot Sean Connery. Like,
• 58:30
  Speaker 15: I'd blocked out the fact that.
• 58:31
  Speaker 10: He was even the villain in that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: I still kind of remember the image of the stars there,
• 58:37
  Speaker 15: but I kind of blocked him out. I was kind
• 58:38
  Speaker 15: of giving him a pass. I was like, run, run,
• 58:40
  Speaker 15: Sean Connery.
• 58:41
  Speaker 16: Get out of this movie.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: You know, like Ray Fiennes. It's like, really?
• 58:44
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Is that hard up for a role that you need
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: to do in this film?
• 58:48
  Speaker 10: Very strange.
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: And up next week, no. Maybe.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Maybe. That would be a challenge.
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: That would be interesting.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: I'm a big fanatic about the show. But yeah, I
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: put myself through that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 12: Speaking of which, I heard they changed the upcoming Avengers,
• 59:04
  Speaker 12: the Marvel Avengers, to Avengers Assemble in the UK, and
• 59:07
  Speaker 12: I wonder if that's the reason? they already have the
• 59:10
  Speaker 12: Avengers I wonder if that's like such a British staple
• 59:12
  Speaker 12: up there but maybe not.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: I would say so it's pretty it's pretty sad over
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: there it could be do you know.
• 59:19
  Speaker 20: Where you are the vortex you come from the outlands
• 59:24
  Speaker 20: you were told about.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: The vortex Zardoz says.
• 59:27
  Speaker 20: What does Zardoz say.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: Xardos says if you obey him, you will go to
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: a vortex when you die, and there you will live forever.
• 59:40
  Speaker 15: Happily?
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: So you think you're dead?
• 59:47
  Speaker 16: Am I?
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: You're an exterminator.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I kill for Xardos.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: You came here in.
• 59:54
  Speaker 20: The Stone Head.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 59:58
  Speaker 20: It is the only path and passage into the vortex.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 20: You will show me how you come to be here.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 15: So, several of you seemed sort of traumatized by this
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 15: as we showed up here. So, does anybody have specific
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 15: traumatic moments that they want to hit on this?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: I mean, Sean Connery in a cage?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: The very first time I watched it, I remember sitting here, actually...
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: made a comment to my friend Bob. I said, I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: watched it and I thought, what the hell did I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: just watch? He said, you watched Zardoz.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: You have been watching Zardoz.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 13: You've been Zardoz.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: It's its own description.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I do think, I mean, I don't know about anyone
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: else here, but I really think that after the first
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: time you watch it, you're like, what the fuck did
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: I think pretty early in I had this onslaught of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: ideas loosely working. Which is fine. All my movies don't
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: have to be the same When.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: You step back, and what we've been talking about, there's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: a seemingly coherent plot, and there's lots of cool ideas,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: but when you're just in the throes of watching it,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: especially for the first time, there are just so many
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: different visuals and so many ideas and concepts coming at you.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 8: It's hard to.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Sift through it. So for that sense, I like it
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: because it's less about telling a story, and it's more
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: about just giving you an experience. And that's what I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: enjoy about it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 13: Exactly. It falls in that category of just.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 12: A movie where the director is just basically going, ha ha,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 12: I just made you watch that weird thing. There's a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 12: lot of that.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 13: You know what I mean? You can't unsee it.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 12: There's a lot of that.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: In all fairness, it might have been intentional, too, to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: where he wanted to have the audience experience the same
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: sort of bewilderment that Connery did when he stepped out
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: of the head. Because suddenly he stepped into this very
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: bizarre world, and it's like, well, no, I'll just put
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: the audience on the level of him.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 10: It's got those visuals, yeah, the plastic rat people.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 15: And, again, Connery in a zoo and green bread. And
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 15: when he goes to the old folks' home there and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 15: they attack him like it's a zombie movie all of
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 15: a sudden.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 17: I like that Sean Connery's essence has to be transferred
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 17: via an open-mouth kiss. That's a great concept.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 15: I'm pretty sure that's true in the real world.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 12: He demanded that scene.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 10: He still sells that to women now. But yeah, I.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 12: Think that's... He's just approaching women today even though I'm
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 12: shooting this little draw dog.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 10: Would you like some of my essence?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I think even though he's almost 80 now, he still
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: has that charm because I saw him on a talk
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: show not too long ago and they were taking questions
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: from the audience and I wish I could even find
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: this clip on YouTube because it cracked me up so much.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Just some woman stood up in the audience and she said,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: could you just please say take off your panties, and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: he's like, take off your panties.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 10: It was the funniest thing ever.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 16: She was like.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 12: I just want to ask him, just be like, yeah,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 12: I have a question.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Zardoz, go.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 13: He'll be like, well, I'm glad you asked. I'm more
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 13: than happy to just go into it.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: Of course, at the same time, I don't know.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: He might not have known what was going on, because
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I've heard rumors that he was allegedly... to be tapped
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: for Magneto, but didn't get X-Men. He didn't get the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: whole premise. And then he was allegedly going to be,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: not Gandalf, but Saruman, before they got Christopher Lee, allegedly.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: And it was the same deal, that he didn't get it,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: and that's why he took League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 18: Oh.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And apparently even that he didn't get, but he went
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: ahead and did the movie anyway because he didn't want
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: to seem clueless. To keep turning down movies that he
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: didn't understand. And I feel like if you watch League
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: That's the.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Weirdest of them.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: If you watch it knowing that Connery kind of didn't
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: know what he was doing, it sort of makes sense there.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 17: Speaking of aging Connery, when they did the age acceleration
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 17: at the end, I thought they actually did a really
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 17: good job. And it was like four Connerys out. It
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 17: was like, oh, oh, there's our Connery. And then Connery later,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 17: he's like dust.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 16: And I was like, uh-oh.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Which I want to know, why has that not been
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: parodied in anything that.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: I can think of?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is like one of the funniest movie.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 13: Endings to be parodied.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: It's like pregnant, kid, go away. It's kind of the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 12: opposite of 2001.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Regressing him. taking him forward it's some kind
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: of transcendent moment but you know what is it there's
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: a lot about also when I look at Zardoz it
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: reminds me of comics a little bit from the period
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: it reminds me of Jack Kirby yeah because it's got
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: all this iconic weird imagery and Kirby was into that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: whole post-apocalyptic thing when he was writing Commandee and comics
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: and weird societies I mean that was happening every issue
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: it's just part of the 70s.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 15: You do see all those different elements that it's pieced
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 15: together from not only other you know sci-fi but even
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 15: like that scene where the one we were talking about
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 15: where they're you know they they all want some essence
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 15: and they start you know it's this like hippie orgy
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 15: going on around him but that that totally felt like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 15: every version of the the jesus story i've seen when
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 15: the lepers attack him i was like he's suddenly become
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 15: this like you know savior to them and it you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 15: know save me and all we have to do is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 15: touch him and it all felt very much, so again,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 15: stealing from the Bible, that's the oldest trick.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: In the world.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this movie steals a lot.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 15: So yeah, you can definitely see all these different pieces
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 15: sort of thrown together at this thing.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 10: It's interesting.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess one could argue too that, I mean,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: it's one of the more arty of his films too
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: because it's totally open to interpretation. It's just a lot
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: of the time about just dazzling the senses. It's like,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: I don't care if this has nothing to do with
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: the plot. I'm going to put it in here because
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: it looks cool.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 15: So when I thought just, I guess to wrap it up,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 15: I mean, that that's kind of the way they do
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 15: it too, is by the end, they're kind of like, Oh,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 15: and it's all been a joke.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: You know, we, we've all been amused and abused. And
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: then like, do you kind of felt like that was
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: meant for you as you were sitting there watching? It
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: was like, yeah, yeah, kind of. It's like, I've been
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 10: all of these things. You're right.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 15: It does sort of feel like a joke. And yet
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 15: it was an arty joke and it, it has, it's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 15: good points. And, but at the end of the, It
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 15: even feels like he, as a director, was just like, yeah,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 15: we were just fucking with you.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, I think the biggest, most, it made,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: after seeing the trailer, and this is obviously my first
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: time seeing it, I expected a lot worse. It's much
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: more coherent than I thought. It makes sense. There's a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: lot there.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it is pieced together a lot better than I expected.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I'll actually argue that if it was more pieced together
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and less visual, I think it would just be kind
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: of lost in the shuffle with a bunch of other
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: generic sci-fi films from the era.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: I mean, it does feel like those.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 15: As we've referenced all these from that same time period,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 15: it doesn't feel that different than what was going on
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 15: in the 70s. It's just a little more, you know,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 15: it does have those weird visuals thrown in and for way.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: Too long at the end.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 15: But other than that, I don't think it's all that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 15: different than a lot of the stuff that was going
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 15: on in 70s sci-fi.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: One thing that we haven't mentioned, and maybe I'm talking
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: too much, but it was when the brutals come in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: at the end and start shooting everyone. That was a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: little bit more traumatic than I thought.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 20: I agree.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 17: I was just going to address that.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: It was, and them, you know, going after them, you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: kill me, kill me.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 16: It's pretty brutal.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 17: It was really disturbing. And then to be punctuated by
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 17: the funny lines, it felt like the tone was so
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 17: strange that it was sort of discomforting. And I actually
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 17: looked up to see, I predated Jonestown, but it sort
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 17: of had that vibe.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 10: And so I immediately was like, oh God, what year
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: was that?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Of course, that too also was the most Beneath the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes moment for me, because the apes
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: break into what has become the present day, the mutant society,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what they call themselves. But I mean,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: they're going through, they're killing all the mutants, and they're
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: smashing all the idols and everything, all their artwork and that.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: And they go to pull down the bomb.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very, very similar there.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: For some reason, this, the thing about the brutals coming in,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: just made me think of a movie called that I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 11: saw a couple years ago.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: It was made by a Scottish guy.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: It was called Apocalypse. It got kind of a big release,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: but it was very much that kind of end of
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 11: the world.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: It had the guy from Clockwork Orange.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 16: Malcolm McDowell?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: It had Malcolm McDowell.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: That doesn't narrow it down. He'll do anything at this point.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: Well, it was.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but it
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: was actually... You know, it was actually a cool, like, apocalypse,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 11: you know, Mad Max killer hordes kind of movie.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 15: Oh, really?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 12: It wasn't Doomsday, was it?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: It was Doomsday.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah, I love that movie.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it was.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 13: I saw that in theaters.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 12: It was Doomsday. After, like, because I was such a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 12: huge fan of Descent. And I was like, oh, it's
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 12: the same director. And, me and my friends saw it.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 12: And it's just like this, I don't know if you've
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 12: all seen it, it's like this 80s bargain bin. This movie,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 12: it's everything. It's Mad Max. It's Escape from New York.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 12: It's a horror movie. We don't know what it is,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 12: but it's just... It's kind of trashy.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: It's kind of a zombie movie, too.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 13: It's a mess.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 12: The editing is sloppy, but it's kind of on purpose,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 12: and it's just a really fun movie.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: It's really long, but it was good.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 13: I enjoyed it.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 10: I liked it the whole time.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 13: I wish more movies were that exciting.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, anytime somebody refers to something,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: it's a mess, but it's fun, that actually is a
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: selling point for me.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 12: It's going back to that kind of filmmaking.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: It's like this, yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 11: It's just kind of wild and like, you know.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Like, you can tell.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: He could do whatever he wanted, and.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 16: He made that move.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 12: It changes up, like, every ten minutes. Like, I've never
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 12: seen a movie actually just change its premise so many times. Like,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: it's kind of amazing.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 10: Well, that's, yeah, I think that's the perfect way to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 10: wrap up Zardoz. It's a mess, but it's a lot
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 10: of fun.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 15: Because this is one of those that's like, I don't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 15: know what I just watched, but I kind of want
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 15: to tell other people to go watch it, too.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, precisely.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Like, you were going back to, you know, How Sue
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: is another one.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: That movie's an amazing movie.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 13: That movie's an amazing movie.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 15: And I can't recommend it to normal people, but anybody
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 15: I know who would get it, I'm just like, oh, yeah,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 15: definitely watch it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to be there when they're watching. You
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: want to see exactly how they react.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: I want to see how people react to dog tooth
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: when they see it.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 12: Oh, that matters.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's one you can't explain it. You can't
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: just experience it.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 12: Those Greeks, man. When they make movies, they're not like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 12: anything else.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 10: But yeah, I guess that rounds out Zardoz.
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  Speaker 14: Zardoz speaks to you, his chosen ones.
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  Speaker 6: You have been raised up from brutality. Kill the brutes
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: who multiply and are legion. This ends.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 14: Zardoz, your god, gave you the gift of the god.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: The god is good. The god is evil. The penis
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  Speaker 6: shoots seeds and makes new life to poison the earth
• 1:13:04
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  Speaker 7: I'm just, all those movies.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: You know, Captain America and Thor and all that, I'm
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: not kind of burnt out to where I'm not that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: excited about the Avengers.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 10: I think this is it. This is the make or break. Like,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 10: if the Avengers is awesome, it was for something, and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 10: if people are just kind of, meh. then it's like,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 10: why the hell did we invest the years here?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: I don't see it going on past this, these characters.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you grew up in the era I did,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: you know, reading those comics in the 70s, it's a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: dream come true to finally see that stuff done pretty
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: well on screen. But after that, you know, I don't know.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: And I grew up in Marvel Kid too, but it's just,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: so many of them just follow the same formula. Just
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: where it's just, let's do an origin story, let's do
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: another origin story, another origin story. It's like, you know,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I think people would be able to catch on if
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: you just did a plot and just, figured it out
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: as you went.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: They're going to keep making Iron Man movies.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 10: They were already casting three.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was just the ending that Captain America
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: had to end in modern day and he's getting recruited.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: This totally takes away from everything else.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: But it happened in the comic. It was a setup.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 12: I felt like it peaked after the first Iron Man
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 12: because all the Marvel movies to me that came out
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 12: after the first Iron Man, which I thought was great,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 12: I went away after seeing them like, that was solid.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 13: And, like, I forgot about them the next day.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: You know, they're good. It's just, you know, you can
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: compare them to, like, those, you know, abortive versions that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: they pulled on TV and, you know, back in the 80s.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And there were a lot of messes in between, you know,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: with Daredevil and all that stuff. But, I mean, you
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: had X2 and you had the first two Spider-Man films,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: which were pretty solid as well.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 14: I mean.
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  Speaker 13: Lots of proceeding.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, those Marvel movies, they're real fun. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: they're well-made and everything. But they just, I mean, don't particularly,
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  Speaker 12: I don't think they have the same, like, transcendent powers like,
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  Speaker 12: you know, the Batman films.
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  Speaker 5: They're pretty disposable like a comic book. You read it
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  Speaker 5: and wait for the next one.
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  Speaker 10: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's just the thing. It just depends
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  Speaker 2: on who's in charge of it. Which actually, I still
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen Thor, but I just want to see it
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  Speaker 2: because Kenneth Branagh directed it.
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  Speaker 5: You can see it in the Asgard stuff. It's got
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  Speaker 5: that sense of mythic quality. I like Thor.
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  Speaker 13: It gets boring when they're in the desert.
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  Speaker 5: Now he directed it.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, he has like a sense of humor in his movies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a very likable guy.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I like his movies. Even Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 5: I really like that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like his role in Wild Wild West?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 13: And funny enough, here's the thing. I grew up on
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  Speaker 13: that movie.
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  Speaker 12: I was seven years old and went to see it.
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  Speaker 12: And only now, this was like an epiphany. I had
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  Speaker 12: the middle of the night. I was just like, it's
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  Speaker 12: on my phone. I was lying in bed.
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  Speaker 6: I had to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 12: I was like, IMDB.
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  Speaker 13: And I scrolled through the list.
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  Speaker 12: I'm like, Kenneth Branagh played the bad guy in Wild
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  Speaker 12: Wild West?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 12: I could not believe it. My mind was blown, I guess.
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  Speaker 17: Yes.
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  Speaker 12: Being cut in half and having the long black stringy
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 12: hair that threw me off but I just I never
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 12: made the connection but I still can't like it's kind
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  Speaker 12: of surreal I think that's.
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth Branagh like that whole time there are elements to
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  Speaker 2: Wild Wild West that I like too just because I
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: like Barry Sonnefeld as a director of course I mean
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: I think really with the Addams Family movies and Men
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  Speaker 2: in Black that's where he hit his peak and of
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  Speaker 2: course now he's doing Men in Black 3 this year
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  Speaker 2: but you know he hasn't really done much since shit
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  Speaker 2: The second one, which was abysmal.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, the first one was entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: The second one I really wanted to walk out of.
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  Speaker 13: It was pretty bad.
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  Speaker 1: This one actually looks like it might be interesting again.
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  Speaker 1: They show the creatures, the previews on television, and my
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  Speaker 1: kids see it, and they know it's coming now.
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  Speaker 5: And they're going, cool!
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  Speaker 8: Every single time, they think those creatures.
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  Speaker 8: That's all you need.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a kid to think that
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  Speaker 1: the aliens are cool, because, I mean, my kids see
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  Speaker 1: a lot of aliens, you know, or zombies or monsters
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And so if you can hit them in
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: a second and they react to it, then it might
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  Speaker 1: be something.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it's sad that we've gotten to a point
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  Speaker 2: in our movie culture to where you can say, it
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  Speaker 2: looks like it might be interesting again.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, you say Rick Baker. I mean, he's done
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of cool background characters. Like, he did a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Roman from Robot Monster.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: And he did another Man from Planet X. Apparently, none
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: of them made it in the background.
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  Speaker 13: Really?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Like, they all got cut because the studio wanted to do, like,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: CG characters.
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  Speaker 5: Apparently, I found out.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great shot of him, if you can
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  Speaker 2: find it, where it's just Rick Baker sitting with all
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: these characters from, like, the old Outer Limits episodes. And
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: he's got saucer men, too. I mean, it's just a
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: great compilation of the who's who monsters from the 50s
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  Speaker 2: and 60s.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I feel like he's like a national treasure.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 12: I mean, like, didn't he work on the last Hellboy film?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 12: I think he did. I mean, I remember just watching it.
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  Speaker 5: I think Rick was a consultant or a designer.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 12: Okay, I just remember that whole, I don't know if
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 12: you've all seen it, that whole, like, Troll Market sequence,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 12: which was like half of why I thought that movie
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 12: was awesome.
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  Speaker 5: And it's all practical.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and I'm just wondering, like, why aren't there more
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 12: movies with this kind of amazing practical effects?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 13: Like, everyone, all my friends.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Del Toro loves practical effects, and so he'll stick with it,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: but other... people know.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 17: No.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: And del Toro, I mean, he's in a position where
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: he can't even do what he wants to do. He
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: wanted to do.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Which is depression.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: He wanted to do The Mountains of Madness, but he
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: couldn't do it, not even with James Cameron and Tom
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Cruise on board. Universal would not spend the money.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it sucks.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 12: He's kind of just stuck in producer limbo for the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 12: past several years. I mean, his new movie, which is
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 12: supposed to be amazing, it's like super expensive, like giant robots.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: It's a giant monster movie.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 12: But he didn't write it, but I mean, just the
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 12: fact that he's directing it, I'm looking forward to that.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Because I like his smaller stuff, too, like Devil's Backbone.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 12: Or Kronos is amazing.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: I love him.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, man.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: You know, Pan's Labyrinth is a brilliant movie. I can't
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: watch it a lot. It just gets to me.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: It's become the canon.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: It's so great. They're at the mercy of the studios
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: and the producers, and they have to do remakes.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 10: That's the thing.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: You look at Kronos and Pan's Labyrinth and that, and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: he's making stuff and I'm assuming Spain at the time
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: or something, you know, as opposed to having to subject
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: itself to the American producer scenario.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, did he have time to actually make
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: a movie? Because over there, they give them time to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: make a movie, whereas here, it's greenlit.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: Where is it? It better be on, you know.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they've got the release date on the calendar, and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: you've got to deliver, and it doesn't matter what it is.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: And it's all about making the money the first three days,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: and after that, well, who cares? Next big release.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 10: Okay, so with that... Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: Nobody did it last week, either. You guys are useless.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: I could tell that tonight's message was really important.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 15: So....
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: This won't be next week, but we did want to
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: throw it out there.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 15: Again, even within the group, we're going to have to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 15: start finding copies of this, but we've been... This episode
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 15: has been a year in the making, is the sad thing.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 15: We've jokingly said six months or so ago hey maybe
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 15: we'll do it for the second annual and now we're
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 15: actually doing it so we're planning ahead for the uh
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 15: harry dean stanton fest and we're going to uh in
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 15: the middle of that mix in a a full-on discussion.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 10: With the group here of paris texas so in in
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 10: the near future we're going to be doing that when
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 10: we cover our uh our harry dean stanton fest episodes
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 10: so uh between now and then go find yourself a
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 10: copy it is definitely worth seeing so Go get yourself
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: a copy.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 17: That's Harry Dean Stanton's favorite Harry Dean Stanton movie.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 10: As he's programming the festival now. You should play that
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 10: every night. Oh, Harry.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 8: I'll start tomorrow and get a copy.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 10: And plan ahead for.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, Dean Stockwell's in that?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 10: Awesome.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 11: So you'll just be thinking about Quantum Leap the whole time.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: My dad and I watch Quantum Leap every.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to Blue Velvet.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm used to. That's the best.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: You know, that's another part that was disturbing to me,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: is because I, you know, watched Quantum Leap forever and ever,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and then I see Blue Velvet after I've seen it.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite scene in the whole movie, is that
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Dean Stockwell, he's abducted a woman and a child. He's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: got all these fat women just sitting around, just essentially
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: doing nothing. And they're listening to music, and this is
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: just what they do on a Friday night.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 10: It's a weird scene. Very weird.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 13: Singing into a light bulb, not a microphone.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Like, what?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 10: It works.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 16: Totally works.
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  Speaker 9: Highlight of the film.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 10: All right. Other than that, I think that about rounds
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 10: it out. We will return next week. Same geek time,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 10: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 6: We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
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• 1:25:00
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