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Sharri | 6 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News, This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. Coming up tonight, The Isis Cohort are set
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Speaker 2: to arrive tomorrow, one woman in New South Wales and
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Speaker 2: the rest in Victoria. Some will be arrested on arrival.
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Speaker 2: We've got the full details and I'll discuss it with
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Speaker 2: James Patterson. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke slaps a life
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Speaker 2: ban on American YouTuber Sneako and kicks him out of
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Speaker 2: the country after our revelations this week, Michael Kroger and
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Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand would join me shortly. Leam Mendes will be
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Speaker 2: on to discuss his explosive investigation into child protection orders
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Speaker 2: for Kumenjaii, Little Baby and Albanezi caught on camera patronizing
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Speaker 2: a journalist who dared to ask if he touched negative
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Speaker 2: gearing and capital gains tax?
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Speaker 3: Yes, how hard is it for the fiftieth time.
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Speaker 2: That broken promises now come back to haunt him? But
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Speaker 2: first tonight, well, we now have a date for the
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Speaker 2: return of the Isis Cohort. They are landing tomorrow four
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Speaker 2: women and nine children so called children, some of them
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Speaker 2: are teenagers. One adult and child will come to New
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Speaker 2: South Wales and the rest of the group will go
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne. This is a group that, for the most part,
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Speaker 2: chose to leave our beautiful country and instead join a
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Speaker 2: death cult. They chose to bring their children into a
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Speaker 2: jihadi world, and, after more than a decade keeping some
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Speaker 2: of the world's most dangerous extremists as company extremists to
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Speaker 2: allegedly embrace an ideology that was behind the Bond Eyed
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Speaker 2: terror attack, they want to return to our shores. Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Tony Burke confirmed today they were on their
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Speaker 2: way home and claimed that he couldn't block their return and.
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Speaker 4: As the government to any attempt to delay audible off.
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Speaker 5: The return of the so called ISIS bribes to Australia.
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Speaker 5: There are very serious limits on what can be done
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Speaker 5: with respect to preventing a citizen of a country returning
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Speaker 5: to their country. The legal threshold that we have is
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Speaker 5: with respect to temporary exclusion orders. I have received advice
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Speaker 5: in one instance so far of that threshold having been met,
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Speaker 5: and when I received that advice, I acted immediately and
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Speaker 5: that exclusion order remained in place.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition and Pauline Hansen didn't buy this line. They
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Speaker 2: claimed the Albanese government had facilitated the return of the
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Speaker 2: ISIS brides.
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Speaker 6: These are women who chose to go to Syria, to
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Speaker 6: a designated terror hotspot declared underlaw as a crime.
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Speaker 2: It costs about two million dollars per person.
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Speaker 7: To actually look after them for their security, national security
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Speaker 7: for the rest of life.
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Speaker 2: I got on tell you, so I'm picketting jobs. The
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Speaker 2: AFP Commissioner Chrissy Barrett said today that the AFP has
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Speaker 2: been monitoring and investigating this group.
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Speaker 8: So for more than a decade. Investigators, when possible, have
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Speaker 8: been collecting evidence and information in Syria at a time
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Speaker 8: when Syria was a war zone with no functioning government.
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Speaker 8: That evidence and information was to determine whether Australians who
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Speaker 8: traveled to Syria may have committed Commonwealth offenses, including terrorism
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Speaker 8: offenses such as entering or remaining in declared areas and
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Speaker 8: crimes against humanity offenses such as engaging in slave trading.
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Speaker 2: Although as I've previously reported, Australian agencies had no access
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Speaker 2: to this group for the past few years. They had
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Speaker 2: some intelligence, yes, but no first hand access. Now I
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Speaker 2: first discovered and told you last Monday night that at
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Speaker 2: least two of the ISIS women would be arrested when
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Speaker 2: they arrived in Australia. My confidential sources have told me
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Speaker 2: at least two of the ISIS brides are expected to
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Speaker 2: be arrested when they land, but potentially more. Police are
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Speaker 2: working on this at the moment. That was around ten
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Speaker 2: days ago, and the AFP today confirmed that report. Here's
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Speaker 2: Chrissy Barrett.
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Speaker 8: I will not flag how many individuals will be arrested
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Speaker 8: or when they will be arrested to protect a number
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Speaker 8: of our investigations. However, I will confirm these points. Some
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Speaker 8: individuals will be arrested and charged, some will face continued
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Speaker 8: investigations when they arrive in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And so at a time of rising terrorism and an
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Speaker 2: antisemitism crisis, an ISIS cohort who chose to fight against
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Speaker 2: our Australian values are being welcomed back into our country.
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Speaker 2: We've just had the bond Aid terror attack where police
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Speaker 2: say ISIS flags were found in the boot of the
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Speaker 2: shooter's car. The scenes we were witnessed tomorrow with the
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Speaker 2: arrival of this ISIS cohort is a dangerous failure of
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Speaker 2: judgment that sends the wrong message to every Australian who
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Speaker 2: expects our government to put national security and the safety
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Speaker 2: of Australians first.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has slapped a lifetime ban
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Speaker 2: on the anti Semitic American YouTuber known as Sneako from
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Speaker 2: ever visiting Australia. He revoked his visa last night and
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Speaker 2: has kicked him out of the country. Sneako today posted
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Speaker 2: an image of himself on the plane on the way home.
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Speaker 2: This came about because we first reported on Monday that
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Speaker 2: the controversial streamer, whose real name is Nicholas Ken de
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Speaker 2: bell Anhasi, was in the country and that he'd been
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Speaker 2: given a visa by Home Affairs. That's despite the fact
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Speaker 2: he's been repeatedly banned by social media platforms. He's a misogynist,
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Speaker 2: an anti Semitan, seems to be a hybrid of Islamist
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Speaker 2: extremism and neo Nazism. Video clips show him chanting Jihadis,
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Speaker 2: calls for Jews to be killed, and he repeats Nazi's slogans.
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Speaker 2: I could play some more of his clips, but at
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Speaker 2: this point I really don't want to spread his hatred.
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke told me today in a
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Speaker 2: statement and I quote, our government has made it very
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Speaker 2: clear we will use every power available to protect our
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Speaker 2: community from people coming to this country to spread hatred.
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Speaker 2: The clauses that have been used to counsel his visa
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Speaker 2: were amended by the Parliament early this year. That means
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Speaker 2: it's not simply the current visa that's counseled. There is
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Speaker 2: now a lifetime ban preventing him from ever applying from
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Speaker 2: another visa to Australia. We are a better country when
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Speaker 2: he is somewhere else now. I genuinely want to praise
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke for acting quickly here and deporting this bloke,
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Speaker 2: but there are serious questions about why and how he
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Speaker 2: was given a visa in the first place. There seems
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Speaker 2: to be something fundamentally wrong with Australia's visa processing system.
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Speaker 2: This isn't the first visa that we've had counseled after
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Speaker 2: revelation on this program, a television program. So why isn't
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs getting it right in the first place. Well,
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Speaker 2: former Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pizzulo suggests it could be
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Speaker 2: because the Intelligence division of Home Affairs has been dismantled.
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Speaker 9: I'm also concerned, Shari at the dismantling of the intelligence
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Speaker 9: function that's been progressively underway for about two years in
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Speaker 9: the department. We used to have, or I shouldn't say we.
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Speaker 9: The department used to have an intelligence division of about
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Speaker 9: four hundred and fifty analysts and very skilled intelligence officers.
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Speaker 9: Their job would better screen run algorithms over social media
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Speaker 9: and the like. I can't when I look at the
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Speaker 9: organization chart, I can't see that function anymore.
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Speaker 2: If that's true, where have the four hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: analysts from that intelligence division gone. There is something evidently
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Speaker 2: seriously wrong with Home Affairs intelligence function and it needs
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Speaker 2: to be examined. We also need scrutiny on Sneaker's actions
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Speaker 2: while he was in Australia. We know he visited Hmed Haraci,
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Speaker 2: known as the Muslim Undertaker, who is the father of
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Speaker 2: convicted Isis terrorist born Harachi. There's no suggestion of any
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Speaker 2: wrongdoing by Ahmed Harachi for actions from his son, with
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Speaker 2: whom he says he lost contact a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: He also recorded a podcast Sneako did with the One
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Speaker 2: Path Network, and we don't know the content of that
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Speaker 2: as yet. As I said, it is great that Tony
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Speaker 2: Burr listened and acted quickly, but there are serious concerns
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Speaker 2: about Home Affairs and its vetting and security processes, and
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a moment with James Patterson.
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Speaker 2: A thirteen year old girl gave powerful evidence to the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission today about the experience of being a child
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Speaker 2: living in Australia during this antisemitism crisis. She spoke about
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Speaker 2: how scared she is to go to sleepovers, school camp.
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Speaker 2: She's even worried about catching the train. She told the
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Speaker 2: Commission about being at the North Bondai RSL during the
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Speaker 2: Bondai Hunneker attack on December fourteenth. Now she gave video
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Speaker 2: a recorded video evidence to the Commission. We can read
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Speaker 2: you her testimony. Here's what she said. I could see
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Speaker 2: through the glass doors of the venue hundreds of people
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Speaker 2: running away and screaming, and I had to be in
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Speaker 2: lockdown at the venue. When I eventually got home, I
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Speaker 2: was shaking and sweating and crying. I had to sleep
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Speaker 2: in my parents' bed for a week and I had
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Speaker 2: nightmares for months. It's just a snapshot of her seven
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Speaker 2: minute statement. It's a heartbreaking perspective of how Jewish children feel,
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Speaker 2: how they feel isolated, scared and alone growing up right now.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six in Australia. Also today, the Zionis
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Speaker 2: Federation of Australia President Jeremy Leebler spoke about the lack
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Speaker 2: of leadership on anti Semitism.
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Speaker 10: The failure of our leadership to call out this demonization,
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Speaker 10: this obsessive demonization and delegitimization of Israel created that social
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Speaker 10: license that I spoke about earlier that could be directed
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Speaker 10: at Jews under the cover of being Zionists.
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Speaker 2: And that was really the first time that point had
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Speaker 2: been made in the Royal Commission. I think it's a
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Speaker 2: very important one. A non Jewish public high school teacher
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Speaker 2: from Tasmania who didn't grow up knowing anyone Jewish, gave
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Speaker 2: evidence today about how a student and their siblings who
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Speaker 2: were bullied so badly they left the state. And she
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Speaker 2: spoke about Nazi salutes at the public school.
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Speaker 3: So students would be shouting Kyle Hitler, they'd be performing
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Speaker 3: a Nazi salute to each other in classrooms or hallways
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Speaker 3: or in the school yard.
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Speaker 2: She said very little or even nothing was done when
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Speaker 2: she raised concern with school leaders. And she also said
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Speaker 2: that a Holocaust survivor who'd previously been well received at
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Speaker 2: the school, returned in twenty twenty four and was blamed
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Speaker 2: for the Gaza War. The students were.
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Speaker 3: Boorish, They were very rude.
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Speaker 11: To him, were asking him questions about the conflict between
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Speaker 11: Israel and Hummus and making comments to the effect where
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Speaker 11: they were essentially blaming him for what was happening over there.
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Speaker 2: As horrific as her revelations were, it is heartening to
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Speaker 2: hear from a non Jewish Australian who cares about what's happening.
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Speaker 2: And I know this teacher is one of many non
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Speaker 2: Jews who have put in submissions to the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: about incidents they've witnessed. A Sydney mother also gave evidence
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Speaker 2: about taunts at school, to the point where her children
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Speaker 2: became reluctant to show their Jewish identity in public. And
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Speaker 2: here was one of her daughters saying just what she
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Speaker 2: had to put up with at school.
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Speaker 12: They normally they've thrown coins at me and asked if
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Speaker 12: I was going to pick it up. Normally say I
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Speaker 12: hate Jews, which is commonly referred to jew.
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Speaker 2: Just to explain again, if you're not seeing their image,
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Speaker 2: it means they've chosen to keep their identity protected for
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Speaker 2: safety reasons. The evidence of antisemitism at universities was supported
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Speaker 2: by Joshua Kersh, the chief operating officer at the Australasian
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Speaker 2: Union of Jewish Students. He said that there'd been a
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Speaker 2: terror threat in twenty nineteen and that he'd personally been
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Speaker 2: deluged with anti Semitic comments, conspiracy theories and personal attacks.
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Speaker 13: Some saying that Jews have too much power already in
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Speaker 13: our political system in Australian life, and another bucket just
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Speaker 13: add hominem attacks on me as a genocidal Biozionist.
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Speaker 2: We also heard today from Blake Shaw, who works at
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Speaker 2: a Jewish school in Melbourne, and he described primary students
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Speaker 2: being harassed on excursions at the Melbourne Museum. Year five,
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Speaker 2: students were met with chants of free, Free Palestine, and
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Speaker 2: in Canberras were told Hale Hitler.
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Speaker 1: Museum that we were at in Canberra and they went
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Speaker 1: to the bathroom and came out quite distressed, and they
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Speaker 1: were told that in the bathroom some other boys went
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Speaker 1: up to them and said, hil Hitler.
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Speaker 2: We're hearing story after story about racism towards Jewish students
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Speaker 2: at public schools in New South Wales and Victoria. The
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Speaker 2: picture of anti Semitism within the school system among children
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Speaker 2: and even teachers has been far greater than I ever realized,
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Speaker 2: and to think children are bearing the brunt of this
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Speaker 2: crisis is deeply sad. Well, let's return now to today's
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Speaker 2: top story on the ISIS brides, and I'm joined by
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Speaker 2: Shadow Defense Minister James Patterson. James, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for joining us. You're in the seat of Farah at
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Speaker 2: the moment, and we'll come back to the activity that's
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Speaker 2: been going on there shortly, But I just want to
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Speaker 2: start with the AFP Commissioner Christy Barrett today confirming our
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Speaker 2: earlier report that some of these ISIS cohort will be
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Speaker 2: arrested on arrival. Given this confirmation, do you have questions
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Speaker 2: about whether there are other avenues open to the Albanzi government.
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Speaker 6: Yes, so, very serious questions about this shari because if
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Speaker 6: a threshold is met for arrest and criminal charges of
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Speaker 6: these ISIS members, then why wasn't the threshold met for
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Speaker 6: a temporary exclusion order to keep them out of our country?
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Speaker 6: And why wasn't the threshold met to have their passports
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Speaker 6: refused and canceled? If these people are sufficiently of concern
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Speaker 6: to the AFP that they can be investigated, arrested and charged.
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Speaker 6: Then they should meet the thresholds for both a temporary
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Speaker 6: exclusion order and passport refusal. And it really is up
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Speaker 6: to the Albanezi government to explain why they haven't taken
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Speaker 6: those avenues to protect our country and keep these.
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Speaker 2: Is that something you'll be seeking more clarity on.
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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, we have cenate estimates coming up in a
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Speaker 6: few weeks and I know my colleague Johno Dunniam, our
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Speaker 6: Shadow Home Affairs Minister, will be taking up this issue
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Speaker 6: very robustly.
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Speaker 2: I mean it'll be a pretty shocking site really to
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Speaker 2: see them arrive tomorrow at the airport after they literally
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Speaker 2: left Australia to join a death cult.
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Speaker 6: I think you're right, Chari. I mean, these are people
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Speaker 6: who made a choice. They made a choice to leave
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Speaker 6: one of the most prosperous, safe, harmonious liberal democracies on
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Speaker 6: the planet and they went to join a listed terrorist
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Speaker 6: organization that was trying to establish an Islamist caliphate that
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Speaker 6: raped and murdered and tortured people of other ethnicities and
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Speaker 6: faiths under their control. I mean, I think they've effectively
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Speaker 6: repudiated their loyalty to Australia, and I think they should
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Speaker 6: live with those consequences.
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Speaker 2: If you were in government, you wouldn't have them be returning,
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Speaker 2: would you.
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Speaker 6: We would use every law means to keep these people
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Speaker 6: out of the country, including refusing to provide them with
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Speaker 6: passports and using the temporary exclusion orders to keep them offshore.
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Speaker 2: Do you think there should be an inquiry? Just moving
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Speaker 2: to another topic now, do you think there should be
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Speaker 2: an inquiry into the vetting procedures in Home Affairs after
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Speaker 2: they allowed the American YouTuber Sneako into the country and
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Speaker 2: then kicked him out after media revelations?
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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, Shari, you're a great journalist, but you
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Speaker 6: shouldn't be the last line of defense for Australia's borders.
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Speaker 6: The Department of Home Affairs should be identifying problematic people
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Speaker 6: like that and protecting our country from them. If Mike
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Speaker 6: Pozilo's revelations are right that the Department of Home Affairs
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Speaker 6: abolished their intelligence division and that has contributed to extremists
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Speaker 6: being allowed into our country, then I think this needs
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Speaker 6: to be investigated by the Bondai Ryal Commission. I think
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Speaker 6: the Minister for Home Affairs, Tony Burke should be called
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Speaker 6: to give evidence about what he knew about the decision
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Speaker 6: to abolish this and I think the Secretary of the
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Speaker 6: Department of Home Affairs, Stephanie Foster, should testify to explain
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Speaker 6: if it is true that she made the decision to
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Speaker 6: abolish this unit that existed under her predecessor, which was
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Speaker 6: designed to screen visa applicants who are risk to national security.
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Speaker 6: It's clearly a failure of Home Affairs under the current
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Speaker 6: regime and we need to understand why.
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Speaker 2: That seems like a sensible solution to have the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission examine it. I don't know the process to actually
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Speaker 2: get them to have a look at that, but it
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Speaker 2: does seem sensible. James, you're currently in Aubrey. It's in
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Speaker 2: the Parah electorate ahead of Saturday's by election. Now you've
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Speaker 2: had well you were, as you put it in the video,
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Speaker 2: you claimed that you were assaulted this afternoon. One Nation Leader.
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Speaker 2: You might not have seen this yet, James, but One
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Speaker 2: Nation Leader Pauline Hansen has tonight apologized to you for
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Speaker 2: one of her volunteers taking your phone, clashing or harassing
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Speaker 2: you earlier. Let's have a.
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Speaker 10: Look absolutely good.
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Speaker 3: Are you getting a video.
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Speaker 7: Video without We apologize too for what happened, and we've
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Speaker 7: assisted said we'll make every assistance possible if you want
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Speaker 7: to undertaken and police investigation that will encourage our volunteers
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Speaker 7: who witness it to make their statements.
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Speaker 2: So, James, do you accept the apology? What actually happened
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Speaker 2: and are police now investigating.
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Speaker 6: I'm grateful for Paul and Hanson's apology. Apology, that's very
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Speaker 6: gracious of her, and James Ashby and David Farley, the
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Speaker 6: One Nation candidate, both called me this afternoon to personally
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Speaker 6: apologize and say that the volunteer in question will not
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Speaker 6: be returning to the booze. I mean this all started
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Speaker 6: over a National Party sign on the booth that talked
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Speaker 6: about David Farley's record of being a member of the
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Speaker 6: Labor Party who sought Labor Party pre selection and donated
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Speaker 6: to the Labor Party. And in my view, those are
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Speaker 6: facts which the voters and Pharaoh deserve to know before
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Speaker 6: they make their choice about whether or not he would
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Speaker 6: be a good representative for them. And I think One
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Speaker 6: Nation has to accept, as we all do in public life,
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Speaker 6: that legitimate public scrutiny of our record is part of
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Speaker 6: standing for public office.
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Speaker 2: Just the point of I know this has been referred
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Speaker 2: to the federal police. Do you expect they will be investigating.
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Speaker 6: Look, I don't feel the need to press charges personally, Shari,
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Speaker 6: I am perfectly fine. It was a bit of a scuffle,
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Speaker 6: but I am okay. And I think One Nation, to
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Speaker 6: their credit, have taken this issue seriously and addressed it
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Speaker 6: by removing their volunteer from the booth. But I think
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Speaker 6: it does show the pressure that they're under here locally.
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Speaker 6: I think David Farley has had a few missteps as
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Speaker 6: a candidate. He's made contradictory statements to One Nation both
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Speaker 6: on reducing immigration on increasing foreign aid, and issues about
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Speaker 6: his past have emerged. Not only did he have a
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Speaker 6: flirtation with Labor, he had a flirtation with the Teals
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Speaker 6: as well. And I think as One Nation insiders have
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Speaker 6: told the media he's regarded as a serious flight risk.
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Speaker 6: If he is elected. He could very easily join the
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Speaker 6: cross bench, where he might be more comfortable, and defect
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Speaker 6: from One Nation. If he's elected, voters have to weigh
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Speaker 6: that decision very carefully.
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Speaker 2: Before Saturday, James the reality is voters aren't voting for him,
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Speaker 2: They're voting for Pauline Hanson. I mean, Farrer has been
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Speaker 2: a safe coalition seat for decades, I think since nineteen
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Speaker 2: forty nine. But it does look like it'll fall to
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Speaker 2: One Nation on Saturday, and it's because of that support
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Speaker 2: for Pauline Hanson, isn't it.
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Speaker 14: Look?
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Speaker 6: I think One Nation started this contest unbackable favorites, given
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Speaker 6: the circumstances of the bi election, given the national polling
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Speaker 6: that we entered into this race, and given that it's
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Speaker 6: a regional electorate where they tend to do better. But
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Speaker 6: I think David Farley's missteps along the campaign trail have
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Speaker 6: brought him a bit back towards the field and it
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Speaker 6: may end up being a bit more competitive. But certainly
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Speaker 6: they were the odds on favorite at the start of
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Speaker 6: this campaign, There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 2: All right, James Patterson, thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 2: us this late at night. Really appreciate it. Right Well,
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Speaker 2: the Prime ministers on the brink of breaking another major promise,
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Speaker 2: this time on negative gearing and capital gains tax. It
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Speaker 2: was Albanezi last year. You might have seen this clip already,
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Speaker 2: but to be honest, you just can't watch it enough.
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Speaker 2: Ben English spoke about it on the show last night.
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Speaker 2: So he was being pressed by the Daily Telegraphs state
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Speaker 2: political reporter James O'Doherty.
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Speaker 11: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 11: capital gains?
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Speaker 15: Yes?
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Speaker 2: How hard is it for you for the fiftieth time?
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Speaker 3: Sorry?
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Speaker 14: If the Greens come to you and you need their
22:22
Speaker 14: vote to pass legislation, will you rule out changing negative
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Speaker 14: gearing settings and capital gains?
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Speaker 8: Yes?
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Speaker 2: And you might have noticed. I mean, you're a state correspondent.
22:32
Speaker 2: You're a state correspondent. And yet he was spot on,
22:35
Speaker 2: he was on the money and James odoherity then went
22:38
Speaker 2: back and asked the Prime Minister about this again today
22:41
Speaker 2: and he actually put to him that he lied fifty times.
22:44
Speaker 2: It was a very direct and courageous question, the type
22:47
Speaker 2: you don't usually get from the Camebra press gallery journalists.
22:50
Speaker 2: I have to say, or for more on this, let's
22:52
Speaker 2: bring it now our regular Wednesday panel. Former Speaker of
22:54
Speaker 2: the House, sorry, former President of the Victorian Liberal Party,
22:59
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and Sky the speaker of that ran Speaker
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Speaker 2: of this House any I mean, Michael, that's an extraordinary
23:07
Speaker 2: broken promise from the Prime minister.
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Speaker 14: Look it is that it won't age well. I mean,
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Speaker 14: and he got away with the two hundred and seventy
23:14
Speaker 14: five dollars, but boy, that is so definitive and it's
23:18
Speaker 14: such a graphic piece of television coverage. And again today
23:22
Speaker 14: answering that question, he's building up, unfortunately, quite a track
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Speaker 14: record of these of these, you know, backflips, lies, whatever
23:29
Speaker 14: you want to call them, that will do very badly
23:31
Speaker 14: in an election. Ad So backflipping on capital gains tax
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Speaker 14: and you know the balance of the short nineteen promises,
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Speaker 14: negative gearing etctera, it ain't going to age well, cherry.
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Speaker 2: It's also the patronizing way in which he spoke to
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Speaker 2: James Joe, like, oh, you may not understand because you're
23:47
Speaker 2: just from State Parliament, when in fact, of course he understood.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: I've got to say I didn't like that very much.
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Speaker 16: It's unpleasant to watch. And I was doing the daily
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Speaker 16: wrap through the twenty twenty five campaign for all News
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Speaker 16: court master heads and I'm pretty sure if there was
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Speaker 16: anything that suggested any changes to negative gearing or the
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Speaker 16: capital gains tax, I would have known about it, because
24:10
Speaker 16: it was my job to digest everything that had been
24:12
Speaker 16: said each day of the campaign. So I think to
24:15
Speaker 16: pretend that this isn't a broken promise is just kind
24:18
Speaker 16: of fascical. You're basically just gaslighting people.
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Speaker 8: You know.
24:22
Speaker 16: Whether the government can get away with it, I think
24:24
Speaker 16: it's probably been emboldened, and we know it's been in bold,
24:27
Speaker 16: and by the way it changed the Stage three tax cuts,
24:30
Speaker 16: and I think in that case it was basically, sure,
24:33
Speaker 16: they break a promise, but everyone gets some money, and
24:35
Speaker 16: so people go break a promise and I get how
24:37
Speaker 16: much who cares if you broke a promise? This, I
24:39
Speaker 16: think is a little bit different because not everyone will
24:44
Speaker 16: end up ahead even with the changes to Stage three.
24:46
Speaker 16: Even people who weren't getting as much as they were
24:49
Speaker 16: expecting still got more. In this case, there will be
24:52
Speaker 16: a very clear sort of ledger of losers, and so
24:57
Speaker 16: they will be very loud concerned about what will do
24:59
Speaker 16: to the rend market. And I'm concerned, I have to
25:02
Speaker 16: say about, you know, just putting money in the pockets
25:05
Speaker 16: of Austrians instead of doing serious tax reform, which is
25:09
Speaker 16: what Bill Shorten said he would do if he had
25:11
Speaker 16: his time again in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean the flow on consequences of pushing
25:16
Speaker 2: up rents and all sorts of other things that the
25:20
Speaker 2: unintended consequences just probably haven't been examined enough.
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Speaker 15: That is my concern.
25:24
Speaker 2: All right, Well, big news today that President Donald Trump
25:27
Speaker 2: has announced that the war is basically over in Iran.
25:31
Speaker 2: He said Project Freedom will be paused for a short
25:33
Speaker 2: period of time to see whether or not the American
25:36
Speaker 2: agreement can be finalized and signed. Secretary of State Mico
25:39
Speaker 2: Rubio also made similar comments. Have a look, I think
25:43
Speaker 2: you're linking the operation is over epic fury. As President
25:47
Speaker 2: notified Congress, we're done with that stage of it.
25:49
Speaker 15: Okay, we're now on to this Project of Freedom.
25:53
Speaker 2: Mike. It seems to me that they couldn't get a
25:55
Speaker 2: run to agree to a peace deal, so they've just
25:57
Speaker 2: stopped the war.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think what the Americans decided is that they
26:03
Speaker 14: don't need to keep bombing because that's not having the
26:05
Speaker 14: effect they wanted. Blocking Iranian oil leading the Straits of
26:08
Speaker 14: Helmer's is much more powerful. Cuts off their money supply,
26:12
Speaker 14: so they can just sit there at the end of
26:15
Speaker 14: the Straits then near the Gulf of Oman, block Iranian
26:19
Speaker 14: exports and that'll certainly bring the Iranian government to heal
26:22
Speaker 14: more than continuing bombing Guci and basiege facility. So I
26:27
Speaker 14: think that's what Trump's decided, and so far that seems
26:30
Speaker 14: to be working very very effectively.
26:32
Speaker 2: I mean, just a minute ago, Joe, he was promising
26:35
Speaker 2: to blow their bridges and the civilization and the infrastructure.
26:38
Speaker 2: Now none of those threats are happening. In the war's over.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, And that's the thing, as I've said before in
26:44
Speaker 16: this program, the beauty of Trump, and I suppose that,
26:48
Speaker 16: like the love of sunburned country, the beauty and the
26:50
Speaker 16: terror of Trump is he never know what he's going
26:52
Speaker 16: to do next. And you know, indeed, just a day
26:55
Speaker 16: before Michael, before Marco Rubio said that Operation and Epic
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Speaker 16: Fury was over, Trump had been saying, oh, no, we
27:03
Speaker 16: could start bombing any time. Then suddenly he says, no,
27:06
Speaker 16: the siege is working, the blockade is working. I think
27:09
Speaker 16: it probably is working. Arrange economy is absolutely cactus and
27:14
Speaker 16: its people are suffering enormously. Their inflation rate last time
27:17
Speaker 16: I checked was something like sixty seven percent. That was
27:19
Speaker 16: a week ago. It's probably higher now. And so I
27:23
Speaker 16: think he's discovered that, Yes, strangling Iran is probably more
27:27
Speaker 16: effective than beating the but Jesus out of it, and
27:29
Speaker 16: now maybe they have come to the table with a
27:32
Speaker 16: better deal. He rejected the last one, and that's when
27:34
Speaker 16: he said, I might start bombing again. And now he's
27:38
Speaker 16: lifted what he called the steel dome of Project Freedom.
27:43
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you guys both think this is about strategy,
27:46
Speaker 2: whereas to me it just was about domestic politics.
27:49
Speaker 16: I think it's a lot about that as well.
27:51
Speaker 2: So he decided it was I.
27:52
Speaker 16: Don't even think it's strategy. I think Trump just goes,
27:54
Speaker 16: all right, well, what's working. I don't think he even
27:56
Speaker 16: has a long term strategy because the goals of red the.
27:59
Speaker 2: Long strategy as Iran does not get a new clear bomb.
28:02
Speaker 16: I mean, that's that's all he said. But previously they
28:04
Speaker 16: talked about he talked about other things like regime change
28:07
Speaker 16: and stuff like that, and the general missile program.
28:09
Speaker 2: But anyway, by the way, it was funny to see
28:10
Speaker 2: Secretary of State Mica or Rubio acting as as the
28:13
Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levit's off on maternity leave.
28:17
Speaker 2: He hopped in there for a couple of days. We
28:18
Speaker 2: saw him DJing recently as well. Maybe he's just trying
28:21
Speaker 2: to widen his reser.
28:22
Speaker 16: Like Galbo, there's nothing you can't done.
28:23
Speaker 2: Oh God, please don't compare him for Albo. All right,
28:27
Speaker 2: let's return to the Royal Commission and I played you
28:29
Speaker 2: those heartbreaking stories from school children a little earlier. Yet
28:34
Speaker 2: outside the inquiry there was this man wearing a T
28:37
Speaker 2: shirt with a swastika on it. Caroline Marcus did a
28:41
Speaker 2: great job questioning him. Michael pretty insensitive.
28:48
Speaker 14: Utterly shocking. And I watched generally Leebler's testimony this afternoon
28:52
Speaker 14: and it was spine tingling and harrowing. But Cherry, let
28:56
Speaker 14: me say this, Let me say this, Where is all
28:59
Speaker 14: this going? What is going to happen? How do we
29:02
Speaker 14: stop all of this?
29:03
Speaker 1: Now?
29:04
Speaker 14: Years ago, federal and state governments and the Council of Peak,
29:08
Speaker 14: organizations of First Nations, Australians, the Aboriginal community got together
29:12
Speaker 14: for bridging the gap. It's always two steps forward, one
29:15
Speaker 14: step back. But every year we get a report to
29:16
Speaker 14: Parliament on how certain achievements of being met, not met,
29:22
Speaker 14: or getting close to achieving we now need in this country.
29:26
Speaker 14: And Albo likes to be the first. So let's be
29:28
Speaker 14: the first country in the Western world, because I'm sure
29:30
Speaker 14: others will follow. We need a stop Jewish Hate campaign
29:36
Speaker 14: led by the federal and state governments in concert with
29:39
Speaker 14: the peak Jewish organizations, the Council of Australian Trade Unions,
29:42
Speaker 14: the Business Council of Australia, other religious organizations and political parties.
29:46
Speaker 14: They need to get together and every year and have
29:49
Speaker 14: a secretariat that monitors Jewish hate. And there's a report
29:53
Speaker 14: to Parliament every year on whether incidents of antisemitism in schools, universities,
29:59
Speaker 14: the arts commute it is and on social media are
30:02
Speaker 14: they being reduced? And what are these governments, what's the peak,
30:05
Speaker 14: this peak body doing to reduce Jewish hate in this
30:09
Speaker 14: country because an ad hoc approaches we've seen is not working.
30:12
Speaker 14: It's just not working. Chris Men said the other day
30:14
Speaker 14: he's powerless to stop one thing. He can't bring in
30:16
Speaker 14: laws because they might get overruled. We need a bridging
30:19
Speaker 14: the gap for the Jewish community called then Jewish Hate,
30:22
Speaker 14: which is, as I said, as a collection of all
30:24
Speaker 14: these organizations. And there's a report to Parliament every year
30:27
Speaker 14: of what we're doing. What are we doing about schools,
30:30
Speaker 14: educating school children, universities, what are we doing about educating
30:33
Speaker 14: those elements in the arts community who there is a
30:37
Speaker 14: seething Jewish hatred as we know in people in the
30:39
Speaker 14: arts communities. How are we stopping social media?
30:42
Speaker 3: All right?
30:42
Speaker 14: Jeremy Leebel talked about all the filthy things said about
30:45
Speaker 14: him in social media. Where do you go to complain
30:47
Speaker 14: about social media? There needs to be a body that
30:50
Speaker 14: you complain to. This body, the Federal Subcommittee of the
30:54
Speaker 14: Federal Police. If you're attacked for your for your for
30:57
Speaker 14: your Jewish beliefs, report it and they track these down.
31:01
Speaker 14: If they can't, if they're fake accounts, they've got a
31:03
Speaker 14: right to go to the social media companies to say,
31:06
Speaker 14: give us the address of that person and track these
31:09
Speaker 14: people down. That is the only way the Western world
31:12
Speaker 14: is going to deal with this ongoing antisemitism. Britain's done nothing,
31:16
Speaker 14: and we'll see the terrible things that are now happening there.
31:19
Speaker 2: I love everything you said. I agree with everything you said, Michael,
31:23
Speaker 2: but I still think even with a massive public awareness
31:26
Speaker 2: campaign that would not reach the worst offenders of this.
31:32
Speaker 2: Who are the radical Sami, Who are the radical Islamic extremists?
31:37
Speaker 2: That is the issue.
31:38
Speaker 14: There are ten percent of it there are ten percent
31:40
Speaker 14: of this country that hate Jewish people. Sorry, there are
31:45
Speaker 14: there are sick there are sick people. Well, there are
31:49
Speaker 14: sick people in this country, right, there are sick people
31:52
Speaker 14: in this country, and you are of course you are
31:55
Speaker 14: not going to convince them. But you see all these
31:57
Speaker 14: fringe players, these fringe players, you get paid money to
32:00
Speaker 14: bomb synagogues, that put up swastiks, that paid money, right
32:04
Speaker 14: just to do the young people do these stupid things.
32:07
Speaker 14: You need to continually educate this country year after year.
32:11
Speaker 14: And if it takes decades, decade after decade, you are right.
32:15
Speaker 14: You will never convince the neo Nazis. And there's sympathizers
32:18
Speaker 14: on the left of politics and on the right to
32:21
Speaker 14: stop hating Jews. There's been an undercarrent of Jewish hatred
32:24
Speaker 14: for generations. There are Nazis all over the world. Still.
32:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the tech we've got to make a start.
32:30
Speaker 14: You have to make a start.
32:32
Speaker 2: We've got to go. But my issue is the radical
32:34
Speaker 2: Islamic extremists. That's where the terror threat is coming from.
32:37
Speaker 2: That's endangering our lives.
32:38
Speaker 14: That's what they shouldn't be in this country. They shouldn't
32:42
Speaker 14: be in this country.
32:43
Speaker 2: No one can kick them out. There are Australians, Australian citizens.
32:46
Speaker 2: So what do you do.
32:47
Speaker 14: You've kicked You've kicked a few out.
32:49
Speaker 2: Thank you for getting a lot of credit tonight, all right,
32:52
Speaker 2: Michael Croigor, Joehood abroad, Thank you both so much.
32:55
Speaker 12: All right.
32:55
Speaker 2: Still to come, rates rising along with government spending. A
32:58
Speaker 2: leading economist will hut through the Spin plus Live to
33:02
Speaker 2: Alice Springs, where Liam Mendes would detail how Kumenjai Little
33:05
Speaker 2: Baby was the subject of six child protection reports in
33:09
Speaker 2: the weeks before her alleged murder. That's after the break
33:17
Speaker 2: Welcome backward devastating revelations by Liam Mendes in The Australian
33:21
Speaker 2: Today about Kuminjai Little Baby. Liam reports the five year
33:26
Speaker 2: old girl was the subject of six child protection reports
33:30
Speaker 2: since mid March, many to do with her dangerous environment
33:34
Speaker 2: and exposure to domestic violence. Her father allegedly assaulted her
33:38
Speaker 2: mother just two days before she disappeared, and she was
33:43
Speaker 2: reportedly exposed to alcohol and left unsupervised during her lifetime.
33:47
Speaker 2: And joining me now is Liam Mendes, who, as you know,
33:50
Speaker 2: has been working tirelessly on this story for a week
33:55
Speaker 2: and a half. Now, Liam, thank you very much for
33:57
Speaker 2: joining us again that look, firstly, this is credible investigative
34:01
Speaker 2: reporting and a really important story that you've brought us
34:04
Speaker 2: today in the front page of The Australian. Can you
34:07
Speaker 2: tell us in a bit more detail what you've learned
34:09
Speaker 2: about these child protection reports.
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Speaker 15: It's for having me show and I think it's incredibly
34:15
Speaker 15: important that this comes out. And you know, like I've
34:19
Speaker 15: said to you and your audience previously, I think there's
34:22
Speaker 15: no better time than now to talk about these issues
34:25
Speaker 15: because it's just going to get lost if these things
34:28
Speaker 15: aren't spoken about. And that's sort of the problem where
34:32
Speaker 15: you know, we see incidences like this happen time and
34:36
Speaker 15: time again, but nothing changes. So you know, if there's
34:39
Speaker 15: one thing that we can do for little Kumunjai baby
34:42
Speaker 15: is to see if there is if there is something
34:46
Speaker 15: that we can do to make sure that this doesn't
34:48
Speaker 15: happen to another little child again. So I mean, the
34:51
Speaker 15: most extraordinary thing is that you know, just two days
34:54
Speaker 15: before she went missing, she went missing on An'sac Day,
34:57
Speaker 15: police had made a report to the Department of Children
35:02
Speaker 15: and Families in the Northern Territory saying that her father
35:07
Speaker 15: had been allegedly accused of assaulting her mother in a
35:13
Speaker 15: town cab. Now, I've been going back just six weeks
35:16
Speaker 15: before that. In that time, there'd been five other reports
35:19
Speaker 15: that had been made in her lifetime since she was
35:21
Speaker 15: an infant. There's been over ten. But it appears that
35:24
Speaker 15: there's been an escalation in reporting in recent times, and.
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Speaker 2: So all these child protection reports made escalating. As you say,
35:38
Speaker 2: do we know what the response was from the department.
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Speaker 15: To give a bit of a context about how this
35:46
Speaker 15: reporting works is that it is actually quite easy for
35:49
Speaker 15: a report to be made, and it can be triggered
35:52
Speaker 15: quite easily if a child is in the vicinity of
35:55
Speaker 15: when police have been called, and lots of different people caseworkers, nurses,
35:59
Speaker 15: doc can make can make a report. I'm sorry I
36:07
Speaker 15: missed the back end of your question.
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Speaker 2: No, just what do we know about what the department did?
36:13
Speaker 2: Were they taking these reports seriously? What action should they
36:17
Speaker 2: have taken?
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Speaker 15: Well, they hadn't actually started an investigation yet, and there
36:22
Speaker 15: are other investigations that the department had made which had
36:26
Speaker 15: you know, the results of those were unsubstantiated in terms
36:29
Speaker 15: of the reports that had been made to those It's
36:32
Speaker 15: my understanding that there are others that had been substantiated.
36:35
Speaker 15: She'd also there are other times where a report had
36:39
Speaker 15: been made. But then you know, it's been very difficult
36:42
Speaker 15: for the department to be to get in contact with
36:48
Speaker 15: her relatives. But the thing that has come out today
36:53
Speaker 15: is following our report, the department has actually stood down
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Speaker 15: three case workers and then they've also in the Minister
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Speaker 15: Robin Carhill has launched an investigation and she wants that
37:11
Speaker 15: to be an external investigation into the department and into
37:15
Speaker 15: this specific case.
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Speaker 2: So what you just said that, I'm just going to
37:20
Speaker 2: repeat that for everyone after your story today, three child
37:23
Speaker 2: protection workers in the NTI have been stood down. Now
37:28
Speaker 2: the ten reports over her lifetime, ten child protection reports
37:32
Speaker 2: over ten during her lifetime, six since mid March, she
37:37
Speaker 2: wasn't removed from that environment. This is very serious, very serious,
37:42
Speaker 2: given that she was allegedly murdered. So I think it's
37:47
Speaker 2: not just the staff, but ministerial heads need to roll here.
37:52
Speaker 2: This is a serious failure.
37:53
Speaker 15: Liam Absolutely is an absolutely serious failure that has happened
37:59
Speaker 15: here and there has to be a proper investigation into it.
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Speaker 15: I mean, what I'm trying to understand today is that
38:08
Speaker 15: there's a peak organization called Snake. It's supposed to represent
38:16
Speaker 15: Aboriginal children, and since Kumujai, a little baby, went missing,
38:22
Speaker 15: they haven't said a single word. We heard for them
38:25
Speaker 15: for the first time today and they released a statement
38:28
Speaker 15: condemning the fact that this story had come out and
38:31
Speaker 15: they demanded an investigation into where this story came from. So,
38:37
Speaker 15: I mean, I think that gives a little bit of
38:38
Speaker 15: a insight into how some of the things work around here.
38:43
Speaker 15: How some people are feeling around here is quite extraordinary.
38:46
Speaker 15: But people need to find out more about this, and
38:48
Speaker 15: this needs to being aired well.
38:50
Speaker 2: Out of time. But I just quickly want to note
38:52
Speaker 2: that it was you you broke the story about the
38:55
Speaker 2: Isis brides returning to Australia. You broke that in the
38:58
Speaker 2: front page in September last year. The Prime Minister at
39:01
Speaker 2: the time, the day you broke that story, he stood
39:04
Speaker 2: up in Parliament and he denied your report. I'm going
39:06
Speaker 2: to play that clip tomorrow night on the show. But
39:09
Speaker 2: you were right, Liam, they're now arriving tomorrow. I mean,
39:13
Speaker 2: just very quickly, can you believe because I spoke to
39:15
Speaker 2: you so many times that afternoon after the Prime Minister
39:17
Speaker 2: stood up in Parliament and denied your story. I wanted
39:20
Speaker 2: to back you in, which is why I started looking
39:22
Speaker 2: into it, because it was so outrageous that he could
39:25
Speaker 2: get up and say this story was wrong. And they're
39:27
Speaker 2: now arriving home tomorrow.
39:31
Speaker 15: Well, I mean that's right. You know, they have come
39:34
Speaker 15: home and I think they will be on a flight
39:36
Speaker 15: right now. They'd be very close to boarding a flight
39:40
Speaker 15: to arrive into Sydney and Melbourne. Some of them are
39:42
Speaker 15: going to be arrested. I mean, I think the Australian
39:46
Speaker 15: government have assisted them to get home. They've issued passports,
39:50
Speaker 15: they've conducted DNA tests. I mean for the Prime Minister
39:53
Speaker 15: have stood up in Parliament and say this reporting isn't correct.
39:58
Speaker 15: I think it's just completely false. Do have to keep
40:00
Speaker 15: in mind that there has been a delay in their return.
40:04
Speaker 15: There was another cohort that also returned. But you know,
40:06
Speaker 15: at the end of the day, these Isis bribes have
40:09
Speaker 15: returned home and I firmly believe and will stand by
40:12
Speaker 15: our story and reporting in The Australian, and so does
40:14
Speaker 15: Sky that the government helped them.
40:18
Speaker 2: Leah Mendys, thank you so much. Still to come, the
40:22
Speaker 2: IBA in the Albanezy government once again at odds over
40:25
Speaker 2: what is driving inflationing? An economist would join me next
40:33
Speaker 2: welcome back, We'll treasure Jim Chalmers has downplayed the IBA
40:37
Speaker 2: governor's warning that government handouts risk fueling inflation.
40:42
Speaker 4: Now. The governor was asked a hypothetical question about what
40:46
Speaker 4: the bank would think if the government injected heaps more
40:50
Speaker 4: fiscal stimulus into the economy. We don't intend to do that.
40:54
Speaker 4: That was a hypothetical question based on some budget speculation.
40:59
Speaker 2: And this of course comes after the RBA Governor made
41:03
Speaker 2: some pretty pointed remarks in her press conference yesterday, just
41:06
Speaker 2: after she raised the cash rate to four point three
41:08
Speaker 2: five percent, which joining me now is chief economist at
41:11
Speaker 2: Better Share David Bassanese. David, thank you very much for
41:14
Speaker 2: your time. So the RBA Governor very clear yesterday in
41:19
Speaker 2: her view that, i mean, more clear really than she's
41:21
Speaker 2: ever been, that government stimulus in the budget could worsen
41:25
Speaker 2: the inflation problem.
41:28
Speaker 17: Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think what we've seen is
41:35
Speaker 17: basically saying if the government does launst a lot of spending.
41:39
Speaker 13: It's going.
41:44
Speaker 2: We've got some I think we've got some visual problems here.
41:47
Speaker 2: We might cross to Kosher Gada in Melbourne and come
41:51
Speaker 2: back to David when we've worked out those techts, those
41:54
Speaker 2: tech issues. So let's bring it now Koshagada in Melbourne
41:59
Speaker 2: if we can, and we'll talk about the US coast.
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Speaker 2: Are great to see you. Look, we heard some pretty
42:03
Speaker 2: strong remarks from the President and from the Secretary of
42:06
Speaker 2: State today that they're ready to end the war in Iran.
42:10
Speaker 2: I mean, they were waiting on this piece deal. Now
42:13
Speaker 2: they say they're just going to There's a report from
42:15
Speaker 2: Axios just breaking a couple of hours ago that they're
42:18
Speaker 2: trying to get this one page memo through. But it
42:20
Speaker 2: looks like the President is very determined now to finish
42:24
Speaker 2: the military action. He certainly is.
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Speaker 18: You know, as we've been discussing, the domestic pressure continues
42:32
Speaker 18: to mount. His pulling is slipping, his support from his
42:36
Speaker 18: base is slipping from independence, all of that. So he's
42:38
Speaker 18: well aware of that. He also feels that he's within
42:40
Speaker 18: striking distance of reaching something that he can claim as
42:45
Speaker 18: a victory. It's still a little bit fuzzy on what
42:48
Speaker 18: that's going to look like, but if we're getting closer
42:50
Speaker 18: to this, I think it's a fourteen point plan that's
42:53
Speaker 18: in that memo. Then he's certainly signaling that he is
42:55
Speaker 18: looking to wrap this up, but only time will tell.
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Speaker 2: We've also seen the President has reignited his feud with
43:03
Speaker 2: the Pope. Have a look at this. We might still
43:09
Speaker 2: be getting those comments. So he's reignited his feud with
43:12
Speaker 2: the Pope. Yet again. We've got it. Now, let's have
43:16
Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 19: Well, the Pope would rather talk about the fact that
43:21
Speaker 19: it's okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, and
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Speaker 19: I don't think that's very good. I think he's endangering
43:27
Speaker 19: a lot of Catholics and a lot of people. But
43:29
Speaker 19: I guess if it's up to the Pope, he thinks
43:32
Speaker 19: it's just fine for Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: And Marco Rubio is preparing to visit the Vatican this
43:41
Speaker 2: week to try and mend relations, so probably those comments
43:45
Speaker 2: aren't helpful but kosher. It also puts American Catholics, many
43:48
Speaker 2: of whom are Republican, in a very difficult position.
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Speaker 18: It really does. And it was another unforced error because,
43:56
Speaker 18: as you mentioned, Marco Rubio is headed there tomorrow practicing Catholic. J. D.
44:01
Speaker 18: Vance is a practicing Catholic, and he didn't need to
44:05
Speaker 18: dive back into that I guess Hugh had asked a question,
44:07
Speaker 18: and you know, that's Trump's style. He'll answer anything. It
44:10
Speaker 18: is tricky because the popes have historically weighted into politics,
44:15
Speaker 18: and there is an argument that says it's fair game
44:18
Speaker 18: when they do that, as it relates to climate change
44:20
Speaker 18: or immigration or COVID, you know, things like that. But
44:23
Speaker 18: this issue, given that it is a little bit dicey.
44:26
Speaker 18: He does not have unanimous support or majority support. As
44:29
Speaker 18: I just discussed, it's not helpful to then frame in
44:33
Speaker 18: the context of the war, framing sort of an adversarial
44:36
Speaker 18: position against the pope. And yeah, a lot of Catholics
44:39
Speaker 18: are generally right leaning, in Republican supporting, and it's just
44:42
Speaker 18: a it's unnecessary, but you know, that's sort of Trump's way,
44:45
Speaker 18: and hopefully it'll be in the dustbin of history by tomorrow.
44:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, another story to overtake it. But Macro Rubio
44:52
Speaker 2: does have his work cut out for him, though. During
44:54
Speaker 2: his Vatican visit.
44:57
Speaker 18: He does. I mean, you know, he's saying that the
44:59
Speaker 18: vatic is a state as well, and so he's going
45:03
Speaker 18: at it from that standpoint diplomatically but also theologically, and
45:06
Speaker 18: the fact that obviously it's a very important institution. A
45:09
Speaker 18: lot of their policy in Latin America, which is quite
45:12
Speaker 18: heavily Catholic, Cuba, etc. Is part of reportedly what he's
45:16
Speaker 18: going to somehow discuss and hopefully come out with some
45:19
Speaker 18: sort of statement that helps advance the agenda while also
45:23
Speaker 18: keeping it at the theological level and not getting too political.
45:26
Speaker 2: I mentioned this earlier, but it's been quite amusing to
45:28
Speaker 2: see Mica Rubio acting as the press secretary and doing
45:32
Speaker 2: a bit of djaying do you think he's trying to
45:34
Speaker 2: build his profile so that he is considered the main
45:39
Speaker 2: presidential candidate instead of Vice President JD. Vance When that
45:43
Speaker 2: discussion does come.
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Speaker 18: Up, I would certainly not discount it. These are all
45:48
Speaker 18: very ambitious people, confident people, but also ambitious people. He
45:52
Speaker 18: is very charming. He has really come out very well
45:56
Speaker 18: in this administration. I think he's surprised people on the right,
45:59
Speaker 18: on the populace, I should say that kind of looked
46:01
Speaker 18: at him as more establishment tee before, and he's also
46:04
Speaker 18: sort of held his own with the establishment wing as well.
46:07
Speaker 18: So he is certainly well positioned and I wouldn't count
46:09
Speaker 18: him out. Even though JD Events continues to poll well,
46:12
Speaker 18: we are still a long way away from twenty twenty eight,
46:13
Speaker 18: and he would certainly be a contender.
46:16
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit about the primary vote
46:19
Speaker 2: in Indiana and what it's revealed about, you know, the
46:21
Speaker 2: fact that Trump does still have a pretty strong grip
46:24
Speaker 2: over his party.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, it was very interesting primary election within the GOP
46:30
Speaker 18: in Indiana at the state level and the federal level,
46:33
Speaker 18: and particularly in the state legislature. There were seven candidates
46:37
Speaker 18: that were incumbent establishment e types that Trump openly sparred
46:41
Speaker 18: with and said he was going to primary them, and
46:43
Speaker 18: five of those seven were defeated by more populist challengers
46:47
Speaker 18: just within the GOP, and those people will now go
46:49
Speaker 18: on to the general election this November for the state legislature.
46:53
Speaker 18: And the biggest reason why it's significant not only that
46:56
Speaker 18: it does show support for Trump still does remain a
46:58
Speaker 18: little bit, but more so, it really was about jerrymandering,
47:01
Speaker 18: which is this fight that's just gaining momentum from both parties,
47:04
Speaker 18: and those incumbent senators did not want to redraw districting lines,
47:09
Speaker 18: whereas other states from the left and the right are
47:11
Speaker 18: doing it. And I think the people of Indiana sent
47:13
Speaker 18: a very strong message that they want the maps to
47:16
Speaker 18: be redrawn to favor Republicans. That's what the selection said
47:19
Speaker 18: to me.
47:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's fascinating. Look just finally over in Italy,
47:23
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Jeorge Maloney has denounced this shocking deep fake
47:26
Speaker 2: photo of her and her lingerie, saying that one rule
47:30
Speaker 2: should always apply Verify before believing and think before sharing,
47:35
Speaker 2: I mean kosher in this age of AI, very difficult,
47:40
Speaker 2: isn't it for people to know it's real? But also
47:43
Speaker 2: pretty horrendous how easy it is to mock up fake
47:46
Speaker 2: images of people.
47:49
Speaker 18: Absolutely, and while this one was inappropriate or degrading, it
47:54
Speaker 18: wasn't even the worst of it. There can be things
47:55
Speaker 18: that are far more nefarious, and you know, give different
47:58
Speaker 18: messages on the geopolitical state as well. So it is
48:01
Speaker 18: very scary. I think people have to do their own
48:03
Speaker 18: due diligence because I just don't think regulation is going
48:06
Speaker 18: to save the day. There's no silver bullet for it.
48:08
Speaker 18: They can do little things around the edges, like compel
48:11
Speaker 18: the tech companies to have some kind of sticker label
48:14
Speaker 18: on something that the tech can detect is AI. But
48:17
Speaker 18: even then it's never going to be perfect, and it's
48:20
Speaker 18: only going to get better and better and more and
48:21
Speaker 18: more realistic, and I think, unfortunately that's just the era
48:24
Speaker 18: we're living in. There's great stuff coming out of AI,
48:26
Speaker 18: but there are also some very scary things, and people
48:28
Speaker 18: are going to have to be very vigilant and very
48:30
Speaker 18: smart and very cautiously and healthily skeptical of anything.
48:33
Speaker 2: They read, especially journalists. That's for sure. All right, Kasha Dadda,
48:37
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. Thank you. After the break, we'll
48:40
Speaker 2: go back to those charmers comments shortly. Welcome back, and
48:48
Speaker 2: let's bring in again economists David Bassanisi. Hopefully we fix
48:51
Speaker 2: up these tech issues. So you were telling us about
48:54
Speaker 2: the budget cash splash and whether that is whether that
48:57
Speaker 2: will risk fueling inflation.
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Speaker 17: Well, if we did get a cash splash, it we
49:01
Speaker 17: clearly risk fueling inflation. At the moment, the RBA is
49:05
Speaker 17: raising rates, It is trying to slow the economy. It
49:07
Speaker 17: thinks demanding the economy overall is too strong. And I
49:10
Speaker 17: think the governor was asked about media reports of the
49:14
Speaker 17: government proposing some income handouts in the budget, and I
49:19
Speaker 17: think she was responding to that and said, well, that
49:22
Speaker 17: would complicate our task because we are trying to reduce
49:25
Speaker 17: demand and If the government is adding to demand, it
49:28
Speaker 17: complicates the task of the RBA, makes it more likely
49:30
Speaker 17: we'll get even further interest rate increases.
49:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I was just about to ask you on
49:35
Speaker 2: that point of the of whether we will have further
49:38
Speaker 2: rate hikes because inflation is expected to peak at four
49:41
Speaker 2: point eight percent in jury. That's what Michelle Bullock said yesterday.
49:44
Speaker 2: So if we haven't reached the peak yet, are we
49:48
Speaker 2: in for another hike?
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Speaker 17: Well, I think the RBA can be kind of forward looking,
49:52
Speaker 17: as inflation is expected to rise further. We get the
49:56
Speaker 17: flow through of the increase in all prices today. But look,
49:59
Speaker 17: I think they're going to the next meeting is in June.
50:02
Speaker 17: I think they're going to pause at least at the
50:04
Speaker 17: next meeting, having raised rates now three times in just
50:07
Speaker 17: a space of a few months. The next window would
50:10
Speaker 17: be in August. But hopefully by August the situation i
50:13
Speaker 17: RAM will have died down oil prices and maybe will
50:16
Speaker 17: be coming off by then and they can look through
50:19
Speaker 17: that inflation spite that we will get mid years. So
50:24
Speaker 17: my base case is we won't get a further rate rise,
50:26
Speaker 17: but certainly, you know, if the war drags on, if
50:29
Speaker 17: oil prices stay high. There you know, there obviously will
50:33
Speaker 17: be a risk of more, but my base cases hopefully
50:36
Speaker 17: that won't be the case, right.
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Speaker 2: David, thank you so much. Next time we'll have to
50:39
Speaker 2: get you in studio and have you onned for long.
50:41
Speaker 2: Go appreciate you joining us. And that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night at eight o'clock. And right now,
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Speaker 2: here's Paul Murray Life