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Being Yourself With JOHN BOECKLIN From BAD WOLVES · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Just your he did now hit you obscarity up to my eyes with all the
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  absurd eleves Hey names John Bergland for the band back Wolves, I played drums.
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  We got a new record called Diabout It comes out on Better Noise Records,
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  Remember third and uh we worked our ass off on it. And here
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  she comes in a couple of days now, beautiful John takes for Joinalists today.
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  Good to see you, good to be here. I was actually Wolves
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  releasing your fourth album, Dive out It on November the third. So Hey,
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  you feeled about it, very kid, very fresh. She feels like
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  a great start to a a cycle. We're gonna hit the road with Bush
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  in America. I feel the record has a lot of not a vant garde
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  things, but things we certainly haven't tried before, which makes us feel not
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  stuck in our rut doing the same mold rock radio in general. As the
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  kind of band we are, some very very very heavy songs on the side,
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  and so you can feel it. You can feel it. Every album
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  a creative rut of getting kind of stuck in certain formulas, and so we
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  tried to do the best we can to stay out of those and just doing
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  songs that feel more expressive and make you feel a little bit more emotions than
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  some of the past songs. So can you dive into it a bit more
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  deep and musically what you've done for it, what I've done with it?
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  Yeah, like what you've done for with the album. We weren't I think
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  where we started is we weren't going for anything. We dropped any ideas of
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  well, this worked in the past, let's do that. Sometimes we did
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  that. Sometimes, Oh, so like this did really good, let's try
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  and do some of that. We I think the first song we some of
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  the first songs we wrote for this album were musically We're die about It,
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  the song the song n d A, which you know in the end as
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  a two minute saxophone solo, stuff like that, which is just stuff we
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  were just had never tried before. And Doc was a big part of He
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  he came in. Normally I start by myself or with Max as a guitar
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  player, but Doc came in and he wanted to start from the beginning,
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  and he said, I'm here to disrupt your process. Doc is here to
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  make sure that we don't go down the same roles and stuff like that.
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  So that that that helped a lot too. So, yeah, we weren't
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  shooting for anything in particular, but not focusing on our past was a goal
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  of ours. So you've released this thing those legends Never Die, Bad Friend,
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  and Die About It? So I would you say I've ruled there a
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  good sonic representation? What do you expect? Legends feels like an outline on
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  the album. It's there's not a song on it. There's not another song
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  like that on the album, which is to me if anything is all one
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  big vocal song, it's like a big vocal hook, you know. I
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  feel like that could have been a post Malone song or something that's a very
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  it's it's a it's a it's just say it almost has like a modern pop
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  chorus, you know, stuff like that. But songs like Bad Friend and
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  Die About It are very representative of the kind of the rest of the record
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  and son of touch with this way. But the press release says that the
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  band pushed the boundaries of their soundscape in pursuit of a new sonic dimension.
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  Would you agree with that statement? Yeah, Like I said, like a
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  two minute saxophone solo on one song, certainly rapping on on Die About It
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  a song that's about the fear of getting old and fear of dying hungry for
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  life. To me, that's the sonically. There's nothing we've ever done that
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  sounds like that. It almost sounds like a Safari song, a jungle song.
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  Just yeah. We've definitely pushed things and we found a new ground on
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  this record, more so than anything else we've done before, for sure.
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  At Dive. Bat of Cols follows twenty twenty one's Deer Monsters, which was
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  a massive success. Mate, So didn't put any extra pressure on you got
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  into this run the fact the last one was so well re saved. No,
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  we felt the least amount of pressure on this album. Deer Monsters.
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  We felt a lot of pressure due to our member change, and I think
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  if anything, we were excited to get away from Deer Monsters and start over.
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  Yeah. Yeah, now you sort of touch on this by but I
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  already got to do it a bit data line. Is it tempting to recycle
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  that winning formula when you get it on an album like that? Look,
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  yeah, kind of like I was mentioning before, you can get stuck in
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  the cycle of things that work radio radio. There's radio analysis people, you
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  know, well, this won't work at radio, and we are, in
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  fact at radio band, so we need to deliver something that is palatable at
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  radio. And yes, it is very difficult to navigate that and feel respected.
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  I feel your egos respected, like with like what you want to creatively
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  accomplish and also please other people. And at the end of the day,
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  it's not an easy to ask and we did less of that on this record.
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  We stopped thinking about radio and started thinking with our hearts more so what
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  you say, our role. There's a central theme or message to die about.
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  Yeah, it's it's a message to complainers about this band or people.
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  It's like, you know, there's been ways of negativity about this band online
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  or whatever. It's a message. It's like if you're gonna cry about it,
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  die about it, Like get the fuck out of my face, you
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  know, like, don't waste your breath trying to take us down, because
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  we're not giving up and we're just moving forward, you know. Yeah.
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  So the album is kind of produced by the band members, yourself and Daniels
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  What are so many advantages and disadvantages that keeping something that he has well was
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  also produced by Josh Gilbert. Advantages. I mean this isn't the eighties.
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  It's not. It's not like there's only a handful of people that understand,
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  you know, how to work a board, and we don't even use boards
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  anymore really, but how to work all the engineering aspects of it. Most
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  people know how to do those things. So it's kind of like. The
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  advantages is like you can cut corners and just do things yourself if you kind
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  of and if you have a passion for it, then you can actually really
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  make some cool tones. Disadvantages is, yeah, you're kind of talking to
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  yourself in the mirror, like you're getting back what you're putting out, and
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  you're not getting that outside perspective, which is what we use Josh Gilbert for.
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  Josh is great at saying let's do this, let's do that, let's
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  try this, let's try that. You know, but me and Dale could
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  do that all day long, and yeah, once sometimes it's nice to have
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  that last accent out outside help, but we could, you know, we
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  got the record mixed by Joseph McQueen. We got a producer, Josh Gilbert
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  d L and I alone could make an entire album and produce and mix it.
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  He could mix it or whenever but it's not that's gonna be around eighty
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  percent. It's not going to be one hundred. So yeah, there's limitations
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  to what we can do for sure, but we try and get it done
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  this you know, that's why we hire other people as well. Yeah,
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  so as match man, this is a band's fourth album. So how would
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  you say that band moves dound has changed from your debut distant Base and you
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  die about it? Yeah, Like the first album was an extremely heavy The
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  goal of the first album for me was write an extremely heavy record with like
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  little to no screaming. I think there is screaming on the record, but
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  it's far more experimental. It's like a jet It's a heavy metal jet record
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  that had a cover song on it, and then one song that went to
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  you know, hear Me Now is the song I wrote way before that.
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  So once Zombie went off, like we need more radio, so then hear
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  Me Now was on there, and then the song you know, remember when
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  those got added at the end of the album recordings to ensure that we had
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  songs that we could follow up greater with because once Zombie went huge, we
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  knew the direction that we were headed. And then you know, when you
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  have success that day. There's a lot of pressures. So the second record
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  was a much more blend of rock and metal, whereas the first record was
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  metals with and then the other songs just fell off the ledge and then the
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  other. It was like two different bands. So then we just consistently as
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  the next two records got better at blending the heavy to make you know,
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  yeah, the heavy and the and the rock side of the bands, you
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  know, mhm. And you guys have just recently come up to with Alexander
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  and the who might How was that? Oh? We unfortunately had to pull
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  off at that tour. Yeah, yeah, like a little bit right before
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  for a bunch of reasons but not really worth totally getting into. But it
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  ended up being a problem with our tour bus. Yeah, amongst other things,
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  it was paying the assid Yeah, well, betters, are you handing
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  out with Bush and I vempamite that should be a cracker of Zola. Absolutely.
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  I heard Gavin's of metal head too, so I'm excited to maybe have
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  a couple of conversations with him about heavy metal, you know what I mean?
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  And uh yeah, I mean I'm the age of you know. When
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  Bush arrived in America you know on the radios. That was in the mid
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  nineties. That was my prime, thank you. That was when I was
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  discovering music, you know all that stuff. So it'll be exciting to tour
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  with them, watch the hits get played, all that stuff. Yeah,
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  and then he plans to bring it this out of the world. Well we're
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  trying. We were just talking about that this morning. So if youhang Tige,
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  we'll see. Uh, we're trying to get to Australia, Europe and
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  we want to make this whole record cycle, like get get the international land,
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  internationally everywhere we can, you know. All right, job, Well,
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  thanks very much for tom and I might die about it comes down with
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  the third So that's what I'm saying, all right, thank you, just
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  fading out into obscurity up to my eyes with all the absurdity bullshit that comes
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  out your mouth and concerning me. You're never hurting me, looking bullish,
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  universal labord and does he's with your prestol is playing your internet game for the
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  hell of it? Grassfriend that straws you teem yourself for elevant with crystal clarity,
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  lacking the etiquette. I don't want to talk a bounch of different man
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  and I'm gonna come across there and like a pressive mass batman style. We
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  just met the riper, Say crawl along glass because the motherfucker's till a kid
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  kids stage winging on my sentiment in the meantime that a parliament and gentlemen,
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  but we all know that you're just so niggatre and he give us something like
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  did a limited and the devil some of my badcock center could just let it
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  going to a lot to get it. Oh, he's a collision with the
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  taste the vision, so it seems like admission. So your old man cried
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