Latest / Brian Thomas / H.E.A.R.T. 4 Seniors Foundation - Elderly Care Technology
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Eight oh five, think about kercdtalk station. Happy Friday, maybe
- 0:06Speaker 1: even extra special Happy. My friends from Heart for Seniors
- 0:09Speaker 1: are in studio. Heart the Number four Seniors dot org.
- 0:11Speaker 1: It's an amazing organization which principal point is to help seniors,
- 0:15Speaker 1: whether they're in assisted living facilities or being cared forward home,
- 0:18Speaker 1: and that's a growing number of the population. They always
- 0:20Speaker 1: struggle with incontinence issues. We've talked about the smart incontinence
- 0:26Speaker 1: undergarment that they have and they rolled that out some
- 0:28Speaker 1: time ago and that has really, really, really done a
- 0:31Speaker 1: world of good for seniors and avoided a lot of
- 0:33Speaker 1: medical risks that go along with letting them wallow in
- 0:35Speaker 1: their own you know. So improvements in that along those lines,
- 0:40Speaker 1: but they keep advancing the technology and offering more and
- 0:42Speaker 1: more products. And Patty, Alex and Tim from Hart for
- 0:45Speaker 1: Seniors all in studio to talk about an amazing advancement
- 0:48Speaker 1: with this Heart for Seniors Alert Response technology. Welcome folks,
- 0:52Speaker 1: it's great to have you in the studio and thanks
- 0:54Speaker 1: for joining us this morning. Thanks freezing that microphone up
- 0:57Speaker 1: in front of your face. There no one's going to
- 0:59Speaker 1: be able to hear. Patty will always start with you
- 1:03Speaker 1: bubbly and happy you always are, and I know you
- 1:05Speaker 1: love what you're doing and helpless seniors out. You showed
- 1:09Speaker 1: me the new smart watch. Yes that this is ready
- 1:12Speaker 1: to go.
- 1:13Speaker 2: We are ready to go.
- 1:14Speaker 3: If your listeners are interested by the end of this,
- 1:17Speaker 3: they just need to call and we'll have them set
- 1:19Speaker 3: up in a matter of no time at home. So
- 1:23Speaker 3: obviously we'll give the number and everything later.
- 1:25Speaker 1: Yeah, we will.
- 1:26Speaker 3: We have been testing in home with our smart watch
- 1:30Speaker 3: and our technology app on real live seniors.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to have some great examples of that
- 1:38Speaker 1: to give the real world.
- 1:39Speaker 3: Real world history experience. So we'll just take one person
- 1:43Speaker 3: to give an example. This is a seventy year old
- 1:46Speaker 3: man lives independently.
- 1:47Speaker 1: Let's make sure my listeners are clear. So what we're
- 1:49Speaker 1: talking about here is your typical sort of Apple smart
- 1:52Speaker 1: watch looking.
- 1:53Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very simple.
- 1:55Speaker 1: And then you have an app YEP that lives on
- 1:57Speaker 1: the phone, on the loved one's phone. The people who
- 2:00Speaker 1: are doing the monitoring that people will cry for mom
- 2:02Speaker 1: or dad, all right.
- 2:03Speaker 2: Correct piece.
- 2:04Speaker 3: And if the senior, which is like my dad has
- 2:06Speaker 3: a flip phone and doesn't have a phone, we provide
- 2:08Speaker 3: the phone.
- 2:09Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, yes, so we.
- 2:11Speaker 3: Will provide the phone and the watch together to live
- 2:14Speaker 3: in the house with them if that's what they need,
- 2:16Speaker 3: and travel with.
- 2:16Speaker 1: So, if you're not talking about it, maybe dementia Alzheimer's
- 2:19Speaker 1: patient that a senior themselves will get this information and
- 2:22Speaker 1: can use it to their own advantage. Correct, Oh, that's great.
- 2:25Speaker 2: Correct.
- 2:25Speaker 3: So this particular individual, seventy year old man, his children
- 2:30Speaker 3: live out of town. They're in Columbus and Cleveland, but
- 2:32Speaker 3: he lives here independently with his wife. He kept falling
- 2:37Speaker 3: and he didn't know why he was falling, went to
- 2:40Speaker 3: the doctor, did his vitals, put him on some meds,
- 2:45Speaker 3: thinking that it was just maybe blood pressure related, whatever
- 2:48Speaker 3: the case may be. Right, comes home, still falls. Family
- 2:52Speaker 3: reaches out to us and we said, fine, let's put
- 2:56Speaker 3: our technology on him.
- 2:57Speaker 2: Okay.
- 2:58Speaker 3: Within the first three days we started noticing patterns. And
- 3:02Speaker 3: the patterns were his heart rate at night was dropping
- 3:07Speaker 3: to thirty three word or in the morning it was
- 3:12Speaker 3: dropping to thirty three. So we were getting ranges for example,
- 3:18Speaker 3: of anywhere from and I'll show you these high lows
- 3:21Speaker 3: here if you can just look. We were getting ranges
- 3:25Speaker 3: from thirty two to eighty seven thirty two to one
- 3:30Speaker 3: hundred and three.
- 3:31Speaker 1: Oh right, So that's throughout the day.
- 3:33Speaker 3: Twenty four hours a day, we're getting we're pulling data
- 3:36Speaker 3: in not just on heart rates fluctuation, right, not just
- 3:40Speaker 3: on heart rate, but on pulsa. We're also doing HRV.
- 3:45Speaker 3: We are also doing two feet on the ground symmetry,
- 3:50Speaker 3: we're doing walking asymmetry, we're doing a FIB and we're
- 3:53Speaker 3: now doing a regular heartbeat rhythm.
- 3:55Speaker 1: All of that capture, all of that.
- 3:57Speaker 3: Captured in our technology.
- 4:00Speaker 2: It's amazing.
- 4:01Speaker 3: So here's what happened, Brian, and then I'll let our
- 4:03Speaker 3: chief technology take over. So after really looking at him,
- 4:08Speaker 3: we started seeing these patterns, right, and these clusters that
- 4:12Speaker 3: were just pretty incredible. And we were like, okay, once
- 4:17Speaker 3: most technology can't combine. You just get a heart rate
- 4:20Speaker 3: reading or you get a pul sox reading, nothing ever
- 4:23Speaker 3: combines it in a cluster medical fashion, right, so we.
- 4:27Speaker 1: Can get at that moment in time, you've got heart rate,
- 4:29Speaker 1: pulse socks and all the other day to real time.
- 4:31Speaker 2: And real time twenty four to seven.
- 4:34Speaker 1: Okay.
- 4:35Speaker 3: So we then took his meds and we said, can
- 4:37Speaker 3: you give us the meds? We threw him into a
- 4:40Speaker 3: program we have where it's looked at and analyzed really
- 4:45Speaker 3: really deep. And three of the meds he was on
- 4:49Speaker 3: side effects.
- 4:51Speaker 2: Low heart rate, Oh wow.
- 4:53Speaker 1: Okay, and I mean the traditional pharmacy days. The pharmacist
- 4:58Speaker 1: was the one that was supposed to identify the interaction
- 5:00Speaker 1: between meds. I guess that doesn't happen anymore.
- 5:02Speaker 3: No, no, And so we were able to see, unlike
- 5:06Speaker 3: somebody just going to the doctor getting their vitals, once
- 5:09Speaker 3: the doctor prescribes, they leave, they don't see him for
- 5:11Speaker 3: another six months, right, we were able to see the
- 5:14Speaker 3: time correlations between when he took his meds versus things
- 5:19Speaker 3: that were happening. So let's just take from this perspective
- 5:22Speaker 3: as far as the client was concerned. The patient, the
- 5:24Speaker 3: seventy year old, he now is getting alerted. Okay, alert
- 5:28Speaker 3: pops up on his phone and it says abnormal low
- 5:33Speaker 3: oxygen real time, real time, So he knows his oxygen
- 5:38Speaker 3: level has dropped. He knows that he's had a heart
- 5:40Speaker 3: rate issue. The family is getting this also at the
- 5:44Speaker 3: same time.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Oh and okay, there's an acknowledge button.
- 5:50Speaker 3: If you don't acknowledge, it's going to keep going because
- 5:53Speaker 3: they want the family member to know and they want
- 5:55Speaker 3: him to know.
- 5:56Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I imagine there are steps he has
- 5:59Speaker 1: been told to take. If you are having a low pulse.
- 6:03Speaker 3: You get an alert that means stay put right until
- 6:07Speaker 3: you see that it's gone back up. Right, so we
- 6:09Speaker 3: prevent falls, or be careful when you're standing up, so
- 6:14Speaker 3: that you really can kind of understand your walker can
- 6:18Speaker 3: there correct, slowly correct. But what takes this to a
- 6:22Speaker 3: whole different level, okay, is the reporting. So how many
- 6:27Speaker 3: people go to their doctor and don't really know what
- 6:28Speaker 3: to say, or they kind of say something and then
- 6:31Speaker 3: they are like, well, forget what to say in that category, right,
- 6:37Speaker 3: forget what to say? So right here you have a
- 6:41Speaker 3: little report calculator. Right, you can hit report, you can
- 6:44Speaker 3: say share pdf. You can put your name on it
- 6:47Speaker 3: or not put your name on it if you want.
- 6:48Speaker 3: And guess what, all of a sudden, you get a
- 6:51Speaker 3: complete detailed report hour by hour with your doctor.
- 6:56Speaker 2: Just print it out and hand it to your doctor
- 6:59Speaker 2: four hours. You can do seven day patterns.
- 7:02Speaker 1: Or the doctor could say, hey, can you give me this.
- 7:05Speaker 4: Correct And we've had instances where people went into the
- 7:09Speaker 4: doctor and they showed the report and the doctor was amazed, like,
- 7:12Speaker 4: how do you I've never seen someone come with that
- 7:14Speaker 4: much data.
- 7:15Speaker 1: The doctor's amazed.
- 7:16Speaker 2: The doctors like where'd you get that? I know, like,
- 7:19Speaker 2: how do you have so much?
- 7:20Speaker 3: So then we actually got feedback from the doctors. So
- 7:23Speaker 3: the cardiologists were saying, well, okay, heart rate data, oxygen data,
- 7:29Speaker 3: that's all good, but we like to see clusters. We
- 7:32Speaker 3: like to see actual like together clusters. We like to
- 7:36Speaker 3: see variability, frequency and clusters together. We were like, okay,
- 7:40Speaker 3: that's fine.
- 7:41Speaker 1: So there it is.
- 7:42Speaker 2: There it is.
- 7:43Speaker 3: So our chief technology officer here was able to actually
- 7:46Speaker 3: take it and do exactly what the doctor wants to see.
- 7:49Speaker 2: That's out, and it's out.
- 7:50Speaker 1: You just click it. You just because you didn't identify
- 7:54Speaker 1: Alex as a chief technology maps and all. Nice work.
- 7:59Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a game changer.
- 8:00Speaker 2: Game changer, I mean absolutely so we really nothing like
- 8:04Speaker 2: it on the mark.
- 8:05Speaker 4: We've built an ecosystem where, you know, we can take
- 8:08Speaker 4: any wearable device that's in the market and integrate it
- 8:11Speaker 4: into the into the system.
- 8:12Speaker 1: So someone's got the Apple phone or the other kind
- 8:15Speaker 1: of a Google phone, whatever the hell's out there. I
- 8:16Speaker 1: don't own one, see look, but they don't have to
- 8:21Speaker 1: get the separate phone. They can use the one they've got, correct, Yeah,
- 8:24Speaker 1: oh well done.
- 8:25Speaker 3: Yeah, but if they don't have one, we want to provide.
- 8:27Speaker 3: That's what we are where A five.
- 8:29Speaker 2: And one that.
- 8:31Speaker 3: That we I mean most seniors, right, but think about
- 8:34Speaker 3: it for us right as Sandwich generation. Our parents right
- 8:38Speaker 3: are in their eighties, a lot of us some of
- 8:40Speaker 3: them are in their sixties seventies. But even I am
- 8:43Speaker 3: wearing it, like I'm actually wearing the technology as well.
- 8:46Speaker 2: I'm a senior. I'm gonna admit it. I'm a senior.
- 8:49Speaker 1: Now you're like my age.
- 8:52Speaker 2: We're seniors though, Brian.
- 8:55Speaker 1: Is that why I got my ARP solicitation?
- 8:59Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 9:00Speaker 3: And you know, quite honestly, Friday, Patty, Sorry, sorry, that's okay,
- 9:06Speaker 3: but you know it's important. It's important even for us
- 9:10Speaker 3: to know, right from a longevity perspective, like let's catch
- 9:13Speaker 3: something early, right so we can be proactive. But for
- 9:17Speaker 3: my my parent who's four hours away.
- 9:20Speaker 1: Right, you could be watching them right there, right.
- 9:23Speaker 3: There next and my mom is able to like physically
- 9:27Speaker 3: see it and know it and understand what's happening as well.
- 9:31Speaker 3: So we're so excited, we're ready to go. Like if
- 9:33Speaker 3: anybody has someone at home, far away, local. You're a
- 9:39Speaker 3: senior yourself, and you're kind of like, man, I'm I'm
- 9:42Speaker 3: not feeling well. I haven't been feeling well. Not sure
- 9:45Speaker 3: why I'm not feeling well. And you go to the
- 9:48Speaker 3: doctor and they take your your vitals and then you
- 9:51Speaker 3: leave with medication, and then you're still not feeling well. Well,
- 9:53Speaker 3: it's probably somewhere hidden in the data. It is, it's
- 9:57Speaker 3: hidden in the data.
- 9:58Speaker 1: So and she's listening right now. So I'm thinking about
- 10:01Speaker 1: my mom, you know, And she pointed out, note she's
- 10:03Speaker 1: not eighty six, she's eighty six and a half. She
- 10:05Speaker 1: even joked about this yesterday. She's remember when you're like
- 10:07Speaker 1: five years old and half years met a whole lot
- 10:09Speaker 1: because that starts meaning a whole lot to me. So
- 10:11Speaker 1: she's I'm mean six and a half. But I don't
- 10:14Speaker 1: view her. She's independent, she could still capable of driving,
- 10:17Speaker 1: manages her own limitations to a great degree, and that's wonderful.
- 10:20Speaker 1: But sounds to me like she'd be a great person
- 10:23Speaker 1: to an ideal Candida for something like that.
- 10:24Speaker 3: We would love to have her on it, absolutely love
- 10:27Speaker 3: to have her.
- 10:28Speaker 1: It's peace of mind, that's mine for me.
- 10:33Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's empowerment. Right. You see your own health data, right,
- 10:36Speaker 4: you be able to be proactive and that allows you
- 10:38Speaker 4: as a senior to stay at home as long as
- 10:40Speaker 4: possible because ultimately you want to stay away from the
- 10:43Speaker 4: nursing home.
- 10:45Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way you enjoy independent living. Yes, there
- 10:48Speaker 1: are some fantastic senior facilities that have activities every single
- 10:52Speaker 1: hour of every single day. And I can see the
- 10:54Speaker 1: benefit of wanting to be in that environment with people
- 10:56Speaker 1: your age, maybe make new friends, but always have something
- 10:58Speaker 1: to do. But you know, even though you are free
- 11:01Speaker 1: and independent, but you know this, this data is just
- 11:03Speaker 1: is great regardless of living circumstance. I would argue, well,
- 11:06Speaker 1: we'll bring back Heart for seniors here in a moment
- 11:09Speaker 1: with Patty, Tim and Alex. It's Heart the number four
- 11:12Speaker 1: Seniors dot. Or you can check out the technology yourself.
- 11:15Speaker 1: We'll learn about how you can acquire it. Stick around
- 11:17Speaker 1: with you right back. He RC the Talk Station eight
- 11:22Speaker 1: twenty fifty about KRCD Talk Station harnessing technology to improve
- 11:26Speaker 1: the quality of life and even save lives if you
- 11:28Speaker 1: think about it, because a fall could equal a broken
- 11:30Speaker 1: him could equal death. When we're talking about the senior community.
- 11:33Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. With Heart the number four
- 11:35Speaker 1: seniors dot org. Find them online talking about this brand
- 11:38Speaker 1: new rollout of the smart device which they had before.
- 11:41Speaker 1: So you got the smart watch, even if you own
- 11:44Speaker 1: one already. According to the tech experts sitting in the
- 11:47Speaker 1: room here Alex at Heart for seniors, you can hook
- 11:49Speaker 1: that watch up to this new technology. So you got
- 11:51Speaker 1: the app on your phone. Your loved ones have the
- 11:53Speaker 1: app on your phone, so mom's taking care of yourself
- 11:57Speaker 1: at home. You immediately know what the vitals are and
- 11:59Speaker 1: a whole whole host of vitals you talked about, Patty,
- 12:02Speaker 1: the way they cluster the data, you can see trends.
- 12:05Speaker 1: It's all right there. Your doctors can rely on this
- 12:07Speaker 1: information and making proper diagnosis. This is nothing but great
- 12:10Speaker 1: rolled up now. The only problem is it's Friday. Tech
- 12:14Speaker 1: Friday is on Friday, and Dave Hatter and I have
- 12:16Speaker 1: come to agreement. Apps are bad for the most part.
- 12:19Speaker 1: They're hoovering up data. So pivoting over to Alex, I
- 12:22Speaker 1: asked you off air, have you thought about privacy and
- 12:24Speaker 1: security because this is really this is confidential information.
- 12:27Speaker 4: Yeah, and then this is this is so you know
- 12:29Speaker 4: we're getting into the hippo territory, yes, sir, and we
- 12:32Speaker 4: you know, we take care.
- 12:33Speaker 5: Of the data.
- 12:33Speaker 4: The data is encrypted, it is living on a person's device.
- 12:38Speaker 4: We get some data in the cloud, but it is
- 12:41Speaker 4: de identified.
- 12:42Speaker 1: De identified meaning they don't know anybody's name associated with
- 12:45Speaker 1: that data.
- 12:46Speaker 4: And we're not looking to monetize this. We are using
- 12:49Speaker 4: that data to train our algorithms so we can pick
- 12:51Speaker 4: up on those patterns, make it better, make it better,
- 12:54Speaker 4: identify a potential health issue, so we can send out
- 12:57Speaker 4: an alert to the caregiver or to the in themselves
- 13:00Speaker 4: and so they can take action.
- 13:02Speaker 2: Okay, that's the key.
- 13:03Speaker 1: And in terms of you know, someone's out there going,
- 13:05Speaker 1: oh my god, this is great, but mom or dad,
- 13:09Speaker 1: they struggle with technology. I mean, they're not going to
- 13:11Speaker 1: know how to do this. They're not even know how
- 13:12Speaker 1: to install the app on their phone. And you know
- 13:15Speaker 1: they're a little distant from me. How am I going
- 13:16Speaker 1: to do this? That is where Tim comes in the
- 13:19Speaker 1: field text right.
- 13:20Speaker 5: We do the We do the installs ourselves before we
- 13:23Speaker 5: send the equipment out, or I take it out myself
- 13:26Speaker 5: and do the install. So the apps are installed. Most
- 13:29Speaker 5: of the most of the work that goes into doing
- 13:32Speaker 5: the installs. You know, it's done right there with the
- 13:35Speaker 5: person on hand, right, get the watch on them, show
- 13:38Speaker 5: them how the data comes through, and it's set up
- 13:41Speaker 5: in their home and that's it.
- 13:42Speaker 3: The watch, that's it. That's it, just and they just
- 13:46Speaker 3: have to charge it. They don't have to do anything.
- 13:48Speaker 4: And they even get notifications when they need to charge it.
- 13:50Speaker 4: It basically doesn't tell your little battery.
- 13:53Speaker 5: And one of the things that we didn't mention earlier
- 13:56Speaker 5: I don't think is we have fault detection. So if
- 13:58Speaker 5: there is a fall the the person's family member.
- 14:01Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be that you don't have to worry about
- 14:04Speaker 1: them pressing right, I fall in and can't get up
- 14:06Speaker 1: right and they know it right of all.
- 14:07Speaker 2: Yeah, but on top of it, we're being proactive.
- 14:10Speaker 3: So we actually remember I showed you the two percent
- 14:12Speaker 3: feed on the ground symmetry and the walking, so we're
- 14:15Speaker 3: getting ahead of the fall detection to where if we
- 14:18Speaker 3: see that the balance you want to explain the balance to.
- 14:21Speaker 4: Symmetry, we're tracking different metrics in terms of how you walk,
- 14:25Speaker 4: and then we can detect if your balance starts to
- 14:28Speaker 4: degrade and then maybe you can do physical therapy, or
- 14:31Speaker 4: maybe it's start to get a walker when we see
- 14:33Speaker 4: serious degradation of balance.
- 14:35Speaker 3: Okay, so we're trying to get ahead of the false Well, you.
- 14:39Speaker 1: Know, actually nothing but great in all of this, and
- 14:41Speaker 1: there's really no downside. All right, Well, let's talk about
- 14:44Speaker 1: the price, because this is where you know, the rubber
- 14:46Speaker 1: tends to meet throat all. It sounds great, but I
- 14:48Speaker 1: can't afford that. That's where Heart for Seniors really shows up,
- 14:51Speaker 1: as well as philanthropic people who want to help the
- 14:53Speaker 1: Heart for Seniors mission by making a donation. Patty, how's
- 14:56Speaker 1: that work?
- 14:57Speaker 3: Yes, we don't want to have to charge at all,
- 14:59Speaker 3: and as long long as we keep the donations coming in,
- 15:02Speaker 3: we're not going to charge. So worst case scenario, let's
- 15:06Speaker 3: just say we have no donations that have come in.
- 15:09Speaker 3: We're going to continue to support it. Our actual technology
- 15:13Speaker 3: itself is about ninety nine dollars a month in order
- 15:16Speaker 3: to have all the data and the support and the
- 15:19Speaker 3: tim going out to the house and things like that.
- 15:21Speaker 3: But our goal is to never have to charge it.
- 15:23Speaker 3: We're not charging it right now. If anybody calls and
- 15:26Speaker 3: wants to be on and once to try it, we've
- 15:28Speaker 3: even said try it. If after thirty ninety days you
- 15:31Speaker 3: don't like.
- 15:32Speaker 1: It, we'll tell us give it back, take it back.
- 15:34Speaker 1: Of course you will take it back.
- 15:36Speaker 2: I mean, we're not here to make money. We're here
- 15:40Speaker 2: for quality.
- 15:41Speaker 3: Care, improving the lives, improving the lives of seniors and
- 15:44Speaker 3: those with disabilities.
- 15:45Speaker 1: This is this is fantastic technology. Heart the number four
- 15:49Speaker 1: Seniors dot org. For my listeners who may not have
- 15:51Speaker 1: a laptop or a smart device, call us.
- 15:54Speaker 3: Here's the number, Patty five one three four four four
- 15:59Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. Please call us. We'd love to hear from you.
- 16:03Speaker 3: We want to help. And of course we still have
- 16:06Speaker 3: the skin tear technology, we still have the bandages, we
- 16:09Speaker 3: still have the incontinence care any and all. But we
- 16:12Speaker 3: finally have all the watches in so we're ready to
- 16:16Speaker 3: roll on the watches.
- 16:17Speaker 1: Get a watch. Five one three four four four twenty thirteen.
- 16:20Speaker 1: Heart four Seniors to get the watch, get the diapers,
- 16:23Speaker 1: get the wound care bandages, and right there upper right
- 16:27Speaker 1: hand corner, donate. Yes, please donate help a senior in
- 16:30Speaker 1: your community by donating hard for Seniors. I'll tell you what. Alex,
- 16:34Speaker 1: Tim and Patty God bless each and every one of
- 16:35Speaker 1: you for doing what you're doing and saving lives as
- 16:38Speaker 1: I point out, and I know you'll be back with
- 16:40Speaker 1: even greater improvements on this technology down the road. You
- 16:42Speaker 1: are committed to doing this car or to helping out
- 16:45Speaker 1: with this cause. Thank you very much, you all, no.
- 16:47Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian.
- 16:48Speaker 3: You're literally your supporters. We hear all the time. I
- 16:52Speaker 3: trust Brian. I trust Brian. I listened to Brian all
- 16:56Speaker 3: the time, and they call us and tell us that
- 16:58Speaker 3: it's you.
- 16:59Speaker 2: I mean, really is your listener base.
- 17:01Speaker 1: I can never lie to anybody, and you sold me. Man.
- 17:06Speaker 1: I'm just glowed to be in a position where about it. Okay,
- 17:09Speaker 1: put a watch on me and also come to modern
- 17:12Speaker 1: technology if know the reason to help with the beta
- 17:14Speaker 1: testing or whatever. It's hard for seniors dot org folks
- 17:18Speaker 1: stick around. Coming up next to Jack Windsor, editor in
- 17:20Speaker 1: chief of the Ohio Press Network, Will