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The Great Amherst Mystery - Esther Cox · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: A poultergeist, often called a noisy ghost, is a supernatural
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  Speaker 1: entity believed to cause physical disturbances, from unexplained noises to
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  Speaker 1: objects moving on their own. In eighteen seventy eight, a
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  Speaker 1: young woman became the center of one of the most
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  Speaker 1: chilling and well documented poultergeist cases in history. It became
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  Speaker 1: known as the Great Amherst Mystery. What began as a
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  Speaker 1: strange knocking in whispers soon escalated into terrifying attacks, spontaneous fires,
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  Speaker 1: and violent paranormal activity that shook an entire town. This
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  Speaker 1: is the haunting Tale of Esther Cox.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram,
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  Speaker 2: a true crime podcast material.
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  Speaker 1: Audience listeners, big massive news in the true crime community
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  Speaker 1: and minor news in our true crime community. We're not
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  Speaker 1: doing it to true crime case today, We're doing paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: That's our minor news. We're taking it from true crime
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  Speaker 1: to something a little bit, you know, a little more
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  Speaker 1: haunting today.
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  Speaker 2: Just for fun, what did you call the ghost.
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  Speaker 1: Poultrygeist, poultry geist, poultergeist.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 1: That, You've never heard the term poultry ghist.
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  Speaker 2: Last night right before we're about to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, the case is this, and I was like.
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  Speaker 1: What you have heard? You've heard of that because you
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  Speaker 1: like the Amityville horror. That's a poltergeist.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, maybe I'm just not retaining that name.
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  Speaker 1: Then apparently not, but it's also known as a noisy ghost.
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  Speaker 1: Basically the ones that like, yeah, it's like stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Moves, and the ones that are like a real menace.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are Poultergeist.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's our minor news is that we're
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  Speaker 1: not doing true crime today. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: a Poultergeist. But the massive true crime news this week
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  Speaker 1: is that they may have identified Jack the Ripper, which
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  Speaker 1: is wild.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big one, eh.
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  Speaker 1: It is. I'm not going to go into a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of detail about who it is or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a quick google and you'll find it. I
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  Speaker 1: can even put a link in the description of this
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  Speaker 1: episode if you're interested in going and finding it out.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, they did the whole like genetic genealogy thing
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  Speaker 1: mm hm, and they found distant family members of this
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  Speaker 1: individual who they believe is Jack the Ripper, not one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent confirmed. Yet it's basically like they have a
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  Speaker 1: suspect and they have evidence, and he's if he were alive,
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  Speaker 1: he'd probably be handcuffed. Now he's got to go to
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  Speaker 1: trial that sort of thing. Okay, so he hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: tried and found guilty yet, but they have what they believe.
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  Speaker 2: Is enough evidence, enough evidence, which is wild crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, gosh, you have to sometimes you have to
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  Speaker 2: be thankful maybe for this like ancestry stuff, hey, because
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  Speaker 2: it is solving a lot of cases.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. This ancestry stuff is helping a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So if if you have nothing to hide, maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: worth putting your DNA in this data bank because you
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  Speaker 1: could potentially convict one of your relatives.
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  Speaker 2: A which is probably something you'd rather know, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Most most certainly, and be make the world a little
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  Speaker 1: bit safer too. So yeah, I'm going to leave that
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  Speaker 1: up to you though, if you want to do it
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  Speaker 1: or not.
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  Speaker 2: But because yeah, I was kind of all, well, not
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  Speaker 2: against them, but I was like, oh no. But then
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  Speaker 2: now that they're solving cases and I have nothing to hide,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, okay, maybe this isn't too bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So now let's go back from Jack the Ripper stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Back to our little story today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we have some patrons to thank first.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I guess we should probably thank our patrons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we sure do.
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  Speaker 1: Em will slipped right past that. Thank you for the reminder.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Lauren Franklin and Vivian Green, who both
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they get the exclusive episode you name it.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of which I should probably start looking at which
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  Speaker 1: exclusive episode is going to come out at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the month.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's next week?
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  Speaker 1: Is it already?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it next Friday? I believe? I think wow, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Which means if we're if it's next Friday, that means
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  Speaker 1: we're getting into marchall soon. So Springs just around the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Ring is here. Basically it's minus twenty right now, so
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  Speaker 2: I can't say that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gotta love Canada. But yeah, let's talk about a poultergeist. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, a poltergeist is yeah, a noisy ghost, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, those ones that are a real menace. And
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  Speaker 1: the case today is a Canadian case that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Amherst is over on the East coast of Canada, and
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  Speaker 1: this is probably the most well documented poltergeist case in
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  Speaker 1: history period.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, which is insane, and how long ago?
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  Speaker 1: We are going back quite a way where we are
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  Speaker 1: going back to the eighteen hundreds from okay, well yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, are you ready for it? Let's do or okay,
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  Speaker 1: So we're heading back not just to the eighteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 1: but specifically to the eight year eighteen seventy eight. We're
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  Speaker 1: heading to a little quiet town known as Amherst in
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  Speaker 1: Nova Scotia, Canada.
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  Speaker 2: I like that name.
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  Speaker 1: That's cute Amhurst, isn't it. It sounds cozy. It's very
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  Speaker 1: cottage core.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Now, back then Amherst had only about three
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  Speaker 1: thousand people living there. Now today that number is only
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  Speaker 1: grown to around nine thousands. So it's not exactly you know,
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  Speaker 1: explosive population as far as where the place is. But
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  Speaker 1: small then small, Now that's my point. It's peaceful. It's
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  Speaker 1: a picturesque place full of charming homes. It had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: nice little, neatly kept lawns and all the perfect little
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  Speaker 1: places to live. Not exactly the kind of town you'd
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  Speaker 1: expect to become the setting for something straight out of
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  Speaker 1: a horror movie. But this summer. I like, how that
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  Speaker 1: this coming this summer? It's very horror movie.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this summer, seriously darkness took root in this
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  Speaker 1: town and something that people would later call was from
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  Speaker 1: the work of the devil himself.
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  Speaker 2: WHOA Okay, so we're like really in for it here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about a perfectly ordinary house in
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  Speaker 1: Amherst that lived on and was perched on Princess Street. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If things couldn't get perfect enough.
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  Speaker 2: This has this been made into a movie, because it's
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  Speaker 2: already sounded like one.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it had. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: do enough research to find, you know, what's come out
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  Speaker 1: of it as far as like Hollywood and books and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I would not be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: this had been if it birthed some productions and'd say
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  Speaker 1: that yep. Now, this house on Princess Street was a nice, cozy,
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  Speaker 1: two story cottage where Daniel and Olive Teed lived with
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  Speaker 1: their two little boys, Willie and George. Also sharing the
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  Speaker 1: house were Daniel's brother John and Olive's three sisters, her
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  Speaker 1: brother William Cox and her sorry three siblings her brother
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  Speaker 1: William Cox and her two unmarried sisters, Jane and Esther Cox.
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  Speaker 1: Now the Teed's and the Coxes were a close knit
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  Speaker 1: family together, they were well liked and they were well respected.
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  Speaker 1: Esther was the youngest of youngest sister at eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: and she was known for helping out with her nephews
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  Speaker 1: while Olive kept the house running smoothly. To everyone who
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  Speaker 1: knew them, they were good, decent people, making what happened
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  Speaker 1: next even more shocking. So it was on August twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy eight, that Esther came home in a terrible state.
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  Speaker 1: She was shaken absolutely to her core. See that evening
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  Speaker 1: she had gone for a carriage ride with a man
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Bob McNeil. He was a young
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  Speaker 1: man who was a shoemaker who had been courting her
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  Speaker 1: for the last little while, so this should have been
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  Speaker 1: a pleasant outing. However, it turned into something more of
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  Speaker 1: a nightmare. See, Bob drove her and himself far beyond
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  Speaker 1: the limits of the town to this carriage ride out
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  Speaker 1: into the woods, and while there alone secluded, he suddenly
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  Speaker 1: pulled out a revolver and ordered her to get out
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  Speaker 1: of the carriage. Or else. Esther was terrified. The man
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  Speaker 1: that she had trusted now was about to kill her,
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  Speaker 1: or so it seemed. But before he could do anything,
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  Speaker 1: and before Esther could react, the sound of an approaching
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  Speaker 1: wagon was growing off in the distance. Without a word,
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  Speaker 1: Bob jumped back into the carriage and drove them back home.
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  Speaker 1: She arrived home safe, soaked from the rain, trembling, and
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  Speaker 1: barely able to speak a word. She went straight to
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  Speaker 1: bed and wasn't seen again until morning. Over the next
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  Speaker 1: few days, she kept her distance, avoiding the house and
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  Speaker 1: wandering the streets or visiting neighbors. Her family assumed that
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  Speaker 1: she and Bob had fought and you know, had given
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  Speaker 1: her some space, not realizing the truth of what had
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  Speaker 1: really happened between the two. They hoped that she'd get
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  Speaker 1: over her her heartache in time, but every night they
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  Speaker 1: could hear her crying herself to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's so sad.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it. Then, exactly a week after the carriage ride,
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  Speaker 1: things started to get strange. That night, Esther and her
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  Speaker 1: sister Jane were drifting off to sleep when a noise
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  Speaker 1: from under the bed jolted them awake. At first, they
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  Speaker 1: thought that it was just a mouse, so they searched
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  Speaker 1: for it, but found nothing. The same thing happened the
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  Speaker 1: next night. This time they traced the noise to a
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  Speaker 1: wooden box filled with patchworks stored under the bed. And
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  Speaker 1: by patchwork, you're looking at probably things along the lines of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, making quilts and that sort of thing. So
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  Speaker 1: so kind of box, right, yeap. When they found this box,
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  Speaker 1: they were expecting a mouse to scurry out. They pulled
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  Speaker 1: the box out into the middle of the room and
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  Speaker 1: waited to see what would happen, seeing if the mouse
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  Speaker 1: would run to the corner, run under the bed or what.
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  Speaker 1: And they could try and you know, get it, capture it, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when something happened that neither of them could explain.
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  Speaker 1: The box suddenly leaped into the air, about a foot
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  Speaker 1: off the ground before landing on its side. No mouse
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  Speaker 1: and no logical explanation for what just happened. Terrified Jane
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  Speaker 1: hesitantly set the box back in place, and it immediately
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  Speaker 1: leapt again into the air. This clearly wasn't a mouse,
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  Speaker 1: this wasn't a rodent, this wasn't anything natural. Panic set
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  Speaker 1: in and the girls screamed for their brother in law, Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: to come into the room. Now, Daniel wasn't exactly thrilled
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  Speaker 1: about being dragged out of bed in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the night, And when Jane and Esther breathlessly told him
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  Speaker 1: about this mysterious jumping box in the room, he just
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  Speaker 1: kind of shook his head and chuckled and shoved it
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  Speaker 1: back onto the bed like nothing had it.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't believe them, Hey, No.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't believe them whatsoever. And in all honesty, who's going
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  Speaker 1: to believe you when you say I have a jumping
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  Speaker 1: box under my bed?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like most people probably would be very
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  Speaker 2: skeptical of that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, one hundred percent. I would be inquiring as to
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  Speaker 1: what you drank before bed? Was it niquill? Was it
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  Speaker 1: something stronger? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Can I have some exactly? Now?
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  Speaker 1: The girls knew how ridiculous it sounded. They weren't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: blinded by their own words and perspective. They knew what
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  Speaker 1: they were saying sounded wild, but they weren't sure what
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  Speaker 1: they just witnessed themselves. They're like, what, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't our imagination? Was it?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: We're not making this up? Something strange had happened. They
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  Speaker 1: knew that but whatever it was, it's definitely wasn't over well.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that both of two people saw it is
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  Speaker 2: kind of helpful. At least they can kind of lean
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  Speaker 2: into each other exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the next night things took a much dark turn.
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  Speaker 1: Esther woke up feeling awful. In the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: She shook Jane awake, panicked, creeping into her voice, She's screaming,
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  Speaker 1: I'm dying, I'm dying. Jane fumbled the light and trying
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  Speaker 1: to turn on a lamp, and when she turned she
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  Speaker 1: saw her sister, and she looked horrible. Esther was now
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  Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the room, completely rigid. Her
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  Speaker 1: short hair bristled standing on end as if it electrified.
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  Speaker 1: Her face was deep red, almost almost the color of blood,
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  Speaker 1: and her eyes bulged unnaturally, as if they were ready
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  Speaker 1: to pop out from her sockets. She gripped the back
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  Speaker 1: of a wooden chair so hard that her nails were
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  Speaker 1: digging into the wood. Jane screamed for help, and within
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  Speaker 1: moments the rest of the household rushed into the room.
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  Speaker 1: They tried to lead Esther back to bed, but she
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  Speaker 1: fought them off, shrieking in agony, then in a voice
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  Speaker 1: that was barely human. She gasped, I'm swelling up. I
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  Speaker 1: know I'm going to burst.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, Right.
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  Speaker 1: Before the eyes of everyone in that room, her hands
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  Speaker 1: and face began to swell grotesquely, her skin burning hot
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  Speaker 1: to the touch. The red drained from her face and
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  Speaker 1: was now replaced by a deathly pale hue. She writhed
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  Speaker 1: and gnashed her teeth, her entire entire body ballooning to
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  Speaker 1: an unnatural size. The family was frozen in horror, unsure
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  Speaker 1: whether to call a doctor or a priest. Then came
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  Speaker 1: an explosion. A deafening boom shook the house so loud
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  Speaker 1: they thought lightning had struck the roof, but when Olive
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  Speaker 1: peered outside, there was no sign of any storm or
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  Speaker 1: nothing striking the home.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought for a second that was Esther the
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  Speaker 2: big boom.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it definitely wasn't so. Just as
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  Speaker 1: she turned back inside to look from as from looking outside,
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  Speaker 1: another blast, this time even loud, rattled the very walls
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  Speaker 1: of the room they stood in, and just like that,
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  Speaker 1: Esther collapsed onto the bed. The swelling vanished, her body relaxed,
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  Speaker 1: and within seconds she was fast asleep, as if nothing
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  Speaker 1: had happened.
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  Speaker 2: Holy that can you imagine just like witnessing your loved one?
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  Speaker 2: Like whatever is going on there?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, that's not a picture I think anyone could
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  Speaker 1: imagine ever seeing, And if it is ever going to
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  Speaker 1: be possible, no one would want to see that. No,
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  Speaker 1: so this night was only the beginning. Strange noises soon
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  Speaker 1: filled the house. Knocking, banging, rustling sounds came from seemingly
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere and everywhere, all at once. Four nights
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  Speaker 1: after Esther's terrifying episode, it happened once again. She swelled up,
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  Speaker 1: She was screaming in pain, and as soon as she
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  Speaker 1: laid down, the blankets this time were ripped from her body,
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  Speaker 1: as if by some unseen force, and they were flung
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  Speaker 1: into the far corners of the room. Olive, trying to
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  Speaker 1: comfort her, sister, rushed over and tried to grab these
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  Speaker 1: blankets and putting them back on her. However, the bedding
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  Speaker 1: was yanked away from her hands and a second time
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  Speaker 1: they were thrown. This time a pillow shot from under
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  Speaker 1: Esther's head and straight into john Ted's face. That wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 1: That was enough for John He bolted from the room,
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  Speaker 1: leaving the others to huddle around Esther's bed, physically holding
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  Speaker 1: blankets down on her to try and keep them in
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  Speaker 1: place as they were trying to be yanked and thrown
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  Speaker 1: once again. The chaos went on for minutes before another
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  Speaker 1: tremendous bang shook the room, just like before. Everything then stopped.
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  Speaker 1: Esther's body returned to normal, and she drifted into an
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  Speaker 1: exhausted sleep once again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can only imagine what this is doing to
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  Speaker 2: her poor little body.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, ooh, the toll something like this would take ye now.
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  Speaker 1: The next day a doctor was called in. He arrived
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  Speaker 1: that evening determined to diagnose whatever mysterious illness was affecting Esther.
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  Speaker 1: After a brief examination, he concluded that she was simply
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  Speaker 1: suffering from an extreme nervous excitement, like likely triggered by
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  Speaker 1: some kind of emotional shock. Nothing supernatural, nothing unusual, Just
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  Speaker 1: a girl overcome by anxiety. That was his diagnosis when
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  Speaker 1: he witnessed her. But he didn't witness the act.
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  Speaker 2: The acts the I'm like, that's not like any anxiety
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  Speaker 2: I've ever had.
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  Speaker 1: No, when he was looking at her, when he was
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  Speaker 1: examining her and you know, diagnosing her, none of these
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  Speaker 1: supernatural things were occurring. He just simply saw Esther in
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  Speaker 1: her state of you know, aftermath sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of thing, right, kind of like how you said she
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  Speaker 2: was exhausted, tired, and exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So he's sitting here talking to the family saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, she's in an emotional shock state. Something
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  Speaker 1: must have happened. And you told us, you know she
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  Speaker 1: whatever with the boyfriend. Yeah, so clearly something's going on.
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  Speaker 1: She's just very anxious. And he's delivering this diagnosis to
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  Speaker 1: the family and to Esther there presumably as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, which could be right to some extent too. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: definitely she did have like that traumatic event. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: that gave her some anxiety for sure too.
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  Speaker 1: Well for sure. However, just as he was delivering this
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  Speaker 1: diagnosis and speaking on what he's you know, seeing, that's
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  Speaker 1: when something happened. The pillow that was under Esther's head
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  Speaker 1: suddenly slid out and without anyone touching it. The doctor
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  Speaker 1: watched it as the pillow just shot out, but then
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  Speaker 1: dumbfound it. Before he can even react, the pillow moved
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  Speaker 1: again and it went right back under her head. John
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  Speaker 1: reached for it, but as soon as his fingers brushed
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  Speaker 1: the fabric, it once again jerked away and flew away,
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  Speaker 1: his hair on his on his head, and arms just
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  Speaker 1: stood on end, just like before with the static electricity.
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  Speaker 1: Then came the same banging. Loud insistent pounding echoed through
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  Speaker 1: the house, shaking the walls as if invisible sledgehammers were
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  Speaker 1: striking from all sides. The beds, blankets were all ripped away.
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  Speaker 1: And this time all this was happening right in front
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  Speaker 1: of the doctor.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is good that it's happening in front of someone.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Else, right exactly now, the most horrifying moment was yet
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to come. A sharp scratching noise soon filled the room,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: like something was carving into wood. Everyone turned around and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: looked at the wall right above Esther's head, right above
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the headboard of the bed, and there, as if etched
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: by an unseen hand, were the chilling words carved on
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the wall saying, quote Esther Cox, you are mine to kill.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh serious, Yeah, this does.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Not seem real, it doesn't. But this is documented. Shit,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: this is what I mean.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: We are going back quite a way terrifying.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But there are people who documented these events, claiming to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: have witnessed it, claiming that these things actually occurred. Then
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: as if to drive the message home, a chunk of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: plaster tore itself from the wall, flew across the room,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: twisted mid air and changed direction, and then landed neatly
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: right at the doctor's feet. The pounding continued, the walls
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: trembling as if caught in an earthquake. Esther lay motionless,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: wide eyed with terror in the bed. The others stood frozen,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: helpless against whatever forest had taken hold of their home.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: For two agonizing hours, the nightmare raged on until without warning,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: silence fell. Esther slumped into unconsciousness, sinking into what looked
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like the deepest sleep of her life so far. The
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: doctor was present the whole time. He was pale and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: visibly shaken, and had no words for what just happened.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: He couldn't explain what he had witnessed, but he promised
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that he was going to return the next day with
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: medicine to try and calm Esther's nerves.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I feel like they need something more than that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Hey, well, what are you gonna do?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I know he wants to help, but it's like, what
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: can he do exactly?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The next evening, the doctor did return and gave Esther
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a very powerful sedative, hoping that it would put an
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: end to whatever was happening. Now that didn't really do anything,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: If anything, honestly, things only got worse.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised that he came back, because I feel
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: like I'd be like, yeah, i'll see you tomorrow.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And then never heard from again. Just fuck this shit,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm out sort of situation. Well, I can understand that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I'd probably be in a similar situation. I would have
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: left my shoes in place while I'm running down the path. No,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: just ran right out of them. But that night, the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: banging returned louder and more violent than before. Reports from
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the time claimed that the doctor, as he returned to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: give esther this medicine, had actually even been standing as
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: far as two hundred yards away from the house and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: could hear pounding echoing from it. It sounded as if
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: someone was on the roof hammering with a sledgehammer, trying
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to break through the shingles. But every time someone checked,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: there was no one there. There's no damage, there's no.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Ex Okay, I was just going to say, like, there's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: literally no damage to the house.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: No word of all. This quickly spread, and I'm sure
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: it did as many people would have been hearing these loud,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: banging clouds coming from the home as well. Soon all
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of Amherst knew that something unexplainable was happening at the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Teed household. Someone or sorry not someone. People whispered about ghosts.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They whispered about demons and curses. Meanwhile, the phenomena continued
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: for wee and the doctor returned night after night, desperate
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to offer Esther any kind of relief that he could.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: The more time passed, the more the family became convinced
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that whatever was tormenting them wasn't random noise or trick
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of the mind or anything like that. It was clearly
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: something conscious. It could hear them and chillingly, it could
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: respond okay it was. It seemed to be sentient.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So is this where they call the priest?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Well, let me continue. One fact became impossible to ignore.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It was all connected to Esther somehow, some way. The
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: disturbances only happened when she was in the house and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: stopped completely whenever she left. Whatever it was it had
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: latched onto her, And by now she had finally told
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: her family that yes, you know, this event had happened
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: with Bob in the woods. And they all agreed that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: somehow this horrifying event triggered this nightmare that they were
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: now living in. But how they had no idea.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it doesn't really make sense, you know, that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that would trigger this now as maybe it does, though
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: we'll keep listening.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Well maybe now. As the case garnered notoriety, well respected
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: figures came to investigate. One of them was an individual
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: by the name of doctor Edwin Clay, a prominent Baptist clergyman.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Like the medical doctor before him, he witnessed the knockings
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and mysterious wall carving's first hand, and when he left,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: he was fully convinced Esther wasn't faking any of this,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and her family wasn't helping her pull off some elaborate
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: hoax either. He had his own theory, though, He believed
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that the trauma from the carriage ride had turned Esther
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: into some kind of human battery. Now, remember we are
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: going back to eighteen hundreds here, so like even knowledge
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of electricity at the time was not what we have today.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So his theory of a human battery is quite far
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: out there from our perspective today, but maybe from his
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it wasn't.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So let me at the time. Yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me explain a little bit here. He
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: believed that she turned into some sort of human battery,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: storing energy in a way science couldn't yet explain. So,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: according to him, invisible flashes of lightning were somehow discharging
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: from her body, and the loud knocks that they were
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: hearing in the home were actually miniature collaps of thunder
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: caused by her strange electrical field surrounding her body.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, I mean this is so far fetched to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: like try to comprehend, right.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: It really is. However, I do want to put it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in this perspective. When we look at this and say,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so far fetched that she's a
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: human battery and invisible electricity is shooting out from her
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: causing these loud claps of thunder, that is so preposterous
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to think. However, you have to consider we are going
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: back to the eighteen hundreds. As I mentioned, people don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: have the knowledge that we do today. But we do
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: have someone looking at unexplainable events and trying to come
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: up with an explanation they're trying to debunk, so that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that is massively important. Yeah, they're not just sitting here
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: pointing fingers, which they're not doing like, oh my god,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: it's a ghost. They're saying, hold on, what could be happening?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: So props to them for doing that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Totally, Like, yeah, they're really trying to help, which I
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: think is great, But they couldn't. They could be onto
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: something in the sense of its like energy, right. So yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's hard to just put yourself in
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: these shoes because people don't experience it like this very often.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: No, for sure, And honestly, he's not far off from
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: what many people believe poltergeist are today. Like, is the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: traumatic event charging her up with energy and then the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: energy being released into the home. Yeah, that's what many
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: people believe poltergeist are today, is that you know, a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: traumatic event and now you are this beacon of energy
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and it's like being released somehow from this trauma.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it is like, actually someone had a traumatic event.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, yes, not always do don't quote me on.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, but wow, okay, so that yeah, okay, Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Now, his his topics and everything turned into lectures on
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the subject, and it drew huge crowds. Now, whether or
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: not his theory was correct, he firmly stood by one thing,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Esther's suffering was in fact real. Others, however, weren't so convinced.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Some people in town were certain that she was a fraud,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: staging the events for you know, simple attention. Her family,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of course, fiercely denied this.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that would not be attention, you would want no.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But no matter what people believed, the Teed household had
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: become a spectacle. Crowds gathered outside, hoping to witness the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: phenomenon for themselves. Some you know, whispered that Esther had
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the power to mesmerize people, making them see and hear
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: things that weren't actually there. The situation got so out
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: of control, in fact, that the family had to call
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: police multiple times just to clear the streets from the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: crowds in front of their home. Meanwhile, belief in something
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: truly supernatural was only growing. One night, as Esther lay
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in bed next to Jane, Espra whispered to her that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: she could hear a voice. It wasn't coming from in
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the room, though, but she told her that the voice
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was saying that it had once lived on this earth,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and it had been dead for many years. Then it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: made a terrifying promise to her. It said that it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: would set the house on fire that very night.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Oo. Okay, Also, can we just talk about the fact
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that Jane is still sleeping next to her sister, like
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: that's that's impressive.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Jane immediately called others into the room, including you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the doctor.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So, as they debated whether Esther was imagining things, hearing
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: these voices that sort of thing, something happened that none
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of them could have predicted. Now, remember when I say
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: this is a very well documented case. Okay, so this
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: is documented to have occurred. A lit match out of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: nowhere fell from the ceiling and landed on the bed,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: setting the blankets on.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Fire, just from out of nowhere, from.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Out of nowhere. Now, many people can argue, sure, maybe
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Esther had some matches, right, and she, when everyone wasn't
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: paying attention, lit one and dropped it. And everyone believed
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that a match fell from nowhere. So the flames were
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: put out quickly, but within the next ten minutes, eight
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: more matches fell from the air, landing on the bed
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and across the room in various locations. Ooh, you can't
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: tell me that she lit a total of nine.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Matches without anyone noticing exactly when really all the attention
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: is on her exactly.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Each one of these little flames from the matches was
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: extinguished before causing any sort of serious damage, but there
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: was no mistaking the message whatever this entity was meant harm.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: In a desperate attempt to communicate, Daniel began asking the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: spirit some questions and using knocking sounds as a response,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and he asked, this entity or this spirit, this being,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, He asked it,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: will the house be set on fire now? According to reports,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: three knocks responded, which signaled yes, yes. Five minutes later,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a dress belonging to Esther, which had been hanging near
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the door on a nail on the wall, suddenly lifted
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: itself in the air, rolled up tightly, and flew under
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the bed, and before anyone could react, the fabric burst
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: into flames. The fire was put out before it could spread,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: but the message was clear. This wasn't just a strange
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: noise floating pillows anymore. This was something far more dangerous
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that had an intent to clearly not only kill Esther,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but burn this house down with whoever else was inside.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Almost like there really wasn't much they could.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Do, and according to Olive, nothing but the devil could
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: have done something so terrible. It wasn't finished with them yet, though.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Three days later, as Esther and Olive were washing dishes
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in the kitchen, they noticed smoke rising from their cellar.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Olive rushed downstairs, only to find a barrel engulfed in flames,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: now licking the floorboard joices above them. Panic, the two
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: women ran out into the streets, calling for help. Neighbors
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and people around kind of gathered the home and panicked,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. They see the smoke now billowing out,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And just then a stranger appeared, a man no one recognized.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Without hesitation, he threw off his coat, sprinted into the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: burning house, and in mere moments he distinguished the fire
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in the cellar. Before anyone could thank him, he was gone.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He vanished, just as mysteriously as he had arrived. No
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: one knew his name, no one recognized him, No one
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: knew where he come from or where he had been
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: there at that exact moment. He was just there, put
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: out the flames, and was never seen from or heard
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: from again.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And this I'm imagining, like it's a small community, they
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: would all know each other exactly. Huh, Okay, so they
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: maybe have a good spirit or entity on their side.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Now potentially now By now, the town of Almherst was divided,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: she believed or sorry. Some believed without a doubt that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: an invisible force was in fact haunting Esther. Others were
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: convinced still that she was a fraud. The fire marshals
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: were among the skeptics, insisting that Esther had set both
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the fires herself. One particularly cruel suggestion floating around town
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: was that a good raw hide whipping would put an
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: end to her supposed tricks. Holy shit, Yeah, so they're proposing,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you know, whip her into stopping these things.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, are those people like also per evil?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Probably? Now her family, though never doubted her, they had
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: witnessed too much. Still, the fire had crossed a line.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Esther herself was terrified, claiming that the ghost had shown
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: her a vision of a fire now in the attic,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: one that would burn the house down with all of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: them inside. For the safety of their home and their children,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Olive and Daniel made a heartbreaking decision to ask Esther
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to leave. No Daniel's parting words to his sister in
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: law were as follows, I don't turn you out. It
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is the devil of a ghost that drives you from
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: our home.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Where is she supposed to go?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Well, thankfully she wasn't left to fend for herself. A
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: kind hearted local restaurant owner named John White took her
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in for three weeks. She stayed in his home, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: at first things seemed normal, But then, as if enraged
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: by her attempt to escape, the entity struck again. This time,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: objects didn't just move, they disappeared entirely, only to reappear
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: somewhere else moments later. One night, while scrubbing the floor,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: a brush vanished from Esther's hands, then suddenly dropped from
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the ceiling, hitting her in the head. Furniture in John
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: White's dining saloon reportedly flew across the room, doors were
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: torn from their hinges, and heavy objects moved without anything around.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Witnesses claimed a fifty pound wooden box slid fifteen feet
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: across the floor in broad daylight without a single person
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: touching it. And then the attacks on Esther became more physical.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: She was slapped, she was scratched, she was hit by
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: invisible hands. She was even stabbed. One night, a small
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: folding knife appeared from nowhere and plunged into her back.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: John White's son Fred, pulled the knife from her back,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: folded it up, and put it in his pocket, only
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: for the knife to vanish from his pocket and reappear,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: stabbing Esther in the back once again in the exact
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: same wound.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: By now, Esther's case had gained so much attention that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: researchers wanted to study Esther. She agreed without hesitation. She
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: had nothing as she was trying to hide, she claimed,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: even going out on tour with a man named Walter Hubble,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: an actor and writer fascinated in the paranormal. Now, thanks
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to his meticulous notes, much of what we know about
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: her case today survives. For a time, people paid to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: see her and hear her story. Scientists, skeptics, and believers
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: from across Canada and United States came to witness the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: strange happenings for themselves. Many left convinced of what they
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: were being told. But the controversy surrounding Esther never faded.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: There were still two sides to this coin one event.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: In fact, tensions even boiled over to a full scale riot.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Now eventually she returned to Amherst, but whatever wherever she went,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: fires followed her. The final straw came when a barn
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: belonging to her employer mysteriously burned to the ground. Whether
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: people still believed in ghosts or not, their patients had
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: run out. Esther was arrested and charged with arson and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: sentenced to a month in jail. After that, the strange
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: occurrences gradually faded away. Esther moved on with her life,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: married twice, and eventually settled in Brockton, Massachusetts. She died
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: on November eighth, nineteen twelve, at the age of fifty two.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: To this day, the case of Esther Cox the Great
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Amherst mystery remains an unsolved enigma. Was it an elaborate
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: hoax of psychological phenomena or was she truly tormented by
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: some sort of unseen force like the devil himself. Skeptics
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: dismiss her story, but believers point to the overwhelming number
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of first hand accounts that were very well documented from
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the time. Now, whether it is fraud or fact, one
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: thing is undeniable. Esther's story remains one of the most
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: well documented and chilling cases of an alleged paranormal activity
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in history. So here we are nearly a century later,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: or more than a century later, I should say, actually,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and people are still asking the question what really happened
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to Esther? And that's the story of the Great Amherst
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Heist and Esther Cox.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Huh Okay, Well, I did think it was going to
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: end differently. I thought that this demon or whatever you
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: want to call it, was gonna take her life.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: For sure. There were no casualties in that manner. I mean,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: there were injuries, there were casualties in that manner, but
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: there were no deaths.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is wild, isn't it to just think that
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: this happened to somebody? Yeah, because I don't know that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: It's so far fetched to me to think like it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: It's believable to me, because why on earth would someone
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you know, ever do that to themselves or how could
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: they even do that to themselves to that extent.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And how could they trick that many people around them?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: You have people not only in one household, in multiple households,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: because she moved in with this guy who this other guy, right, Yep,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: things were happening there. You also have like when she
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: was with employers, things happening there. You have reports of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you know, people being around her and seeing shit from
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: doctors to clergymen, like they're witnessing these things. Yeah, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you're telling me she fooled every single one of them
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: with these very elaborate things that like, how would she
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: have made this box move fifteen feet across the room
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: with people witnessing it? Is she sitting there with fishing line,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: really strong fishing line? I don't think so.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, the people that aren't believing her, I think
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: are the people that haven't, like experienced it first had.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly so, And we have many people claiming these sort
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: of things are still happening to this date, not to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: esther in her story, but like their own stories, their
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: own hauntings, their own poltergeist, their own events, right. Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: In fact, one of the ones I can think of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: immediately off the top of my head is Robert the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: doll over in Florida, right right, So he is the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: world's most haunted doll. Allegedly, he's in a museum. You
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: have to ask to take a picture of him.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And if you don't, bad shit happens.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And they have an entire wall dedicated to people writing
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: letters to Robert, begging and pleading for forgiveness because shit
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: is happening to them because they didn't ask permission. That
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: just gives you chills right now, I do I want
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to say one thing. I am a skeptic person. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: like to play Devil's advocate. I mean, that's something that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I would tray often on this podcast is playing that
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. So to put my devil's advocacy hat on
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: for a moment. We are talking about the time of
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds here, Okay, so documentation claim from this
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: individual right that I said, you know, he came in
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and went on tour with Esther and that's where most
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of the documentation comes from. So he's doing a lot
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: of post investigation after the fact. So people may have
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: experienced these things let's say weeks ago, maybe even a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: month ago, maybe even two months ago. I don't know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: but there there's these events that he's talking to people
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: after the fact. We all know that after the fact.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: We've heard people blow things out of proportion many a time.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: It kind of escalates in your head.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: So how much of these things this fifty pound box
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: flew fifty feet across through or fifteen feet.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was like, oh, now it's blown fifty feet Well,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: exactly you know, right there.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a way it can blow out a proportion
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: even accidentally. Oh yeah, so was it really a fifty
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: pound box? Maybe it was a box that was empty
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that said fifty pounds on it. Maybe it wasn't fifteen feet,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: maybe it was well, maybe it was only five you know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe someone opened a door and then it hit the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: box and then a loud bang. Everyone remembers this loud
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: bang from Esther reporting these and they turn around they
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: see the box sliding.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I think there's too much though. I agree too much.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I agree, but I am just wanting to say, you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: can't tell me that post investigation, like after the fact,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and all these things are exactly right.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: No, oh yeah, I'm sure things have been.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Even if you if you want to put it on
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the strong end and you say fifty percent of them
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: are over overblown and put out a proportion, that's still
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of that information. That is I fucking wi I.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: One thing I kind of have trouble is like how
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: it just stopped. You know, is it something that she
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: still kind of had to deal with all throughout her
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: life but it maybe wasn't as drastic or she just
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: kind of like kept it to herself for or what.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just I mean, what made it stop? You know?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: That's that's where my head kind of goes, Like being
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: in jail for a month gets stopped.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Well, if it is this traumatic event causing some sort
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of energy, you know, release in someone's life, let's put
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it that way. You know, it's like it's a built
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: up some form of energy, whether you're drawing the energy
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to you or whether you are the source of the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: energy or not. Eventually, Hey, trauma fades. It never leaves entirely,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: but it does fade, you know what I mean with time. Yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: so maybe that's the case. You know, it's like a
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: battery over time, it does lose its power and it
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: slowly fades off.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Or she had new trauma now that was overshadowing that
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: other one that started this. I don't know.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, she did get arrested for these events
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that maybe weren't her fault, and she went to jail
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So maybe that was like something that she psychologically was
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: able to shut it down. Who knows. Wow, Okay, people
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: still don't know and understand what poltergeist truly are and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: what truly causes them. However, there is a lot of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: real documentation out there, including this case and many more,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: that suggests they are very real phenomena.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And it's still even happening to this date, right, Like, yes,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: not just all from back then.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, you have people today, Like I guarantee you
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: there are houses on the market right fucking now because
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: people want out.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just terrifying. Hey to think, I know, but
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I guess we can't live our life being scared of
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the unknown like that.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: No, you always got to take the leap, right, don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: be scared of the unknown. Anyways, this was a bit
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: of a different story. I thought it'd be fun to
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: do something a little bit different. We've once in a
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: while had been doing a little more paranormal here and there,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: just for fun seats, and I thought, you know what,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: now's a good time throwing in there.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was super interesting. I just had the thought,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: like we almost thought about buying a house that was
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: probably definitely.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Haunted, probably definitely. Yeah, it would have been a lot
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of work, was the problem. It was a like what
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: was it nineteen twenty I think or something like.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: That, something like that. It was stunning and it needed
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: so much work.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: It was like an abandoned house, good bones, but like
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: everything about it needed work. And it would have been
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: several hundred thousand dollars to get this thing back up
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to par and yeah, it was just a little too
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: much of a project.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Well and then imagine putting all that money in there
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and then you do find out it's haunted.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, but like this house, like it even
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: had a carriage house out back. And when we think
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of carriage house, we think of like, oh, like a
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: little like house for you know, like like an airbean
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: be or something. Yeah, or yeah, you know, like for
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: guests and stuff. Now this was literally a house to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: park your horse and carriage in. It was a carriage house.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It was where you housed your carriage.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was wild, but it was really cool though. Yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So thank you for being here. Hopefully enjoyed that. And
• 44:19
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• 44:21
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• 44:24
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• 44:27
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• 44:29
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• 44:31
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• 44:33
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• 44:36
  Speaker 1: We're completely independent. We research, we write, we do it
• 44:38
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• 44:41
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• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we really can't thank you enough.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: We really can't.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: We can't.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: We can't, can we we.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Can't, No, we can't.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks for being here, and until next time,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: stay wicked.