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  Speaker 1: the thing that we all knew was going to happen happened,
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  Speaker 1: and reports came that the Saints are in fact going
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  Speaker 1: to restructure Derek Carr's contract. If you're not familiar with
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  Speaker 1: how that works, they effectively take salary converted to a
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  Speaker 1: signing bonus, so it lowers that the cap hit this year,
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  Speaker 1: but that signing bonus money gets spread out into future
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  Speaker 1: years of the contract, so you just take the cap
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  Speaker 1: hit in future years instead of this year. So in
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  Speaker 1: restructuring Derek Carr's contract, that saved the Saints thirty point
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  Speaker 1: almost thirty one million dollars just in a here under
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  Speaker 1: thirty one million dollars immediately, So it puts you in
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  Speaker 1: a much better spot financially to where all that money
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  Speaker 1: you were over the cap, well now you're in better standing.
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  Speaker 1: But the downside is it kicks money into future years.
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  Speaker 1: And again we all sort of anticipated this was going
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  Speaker 1: to happen, especially with the comments Mickey Loomis made it
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  Speaker 1: the combine that they were planning to move forward with
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr and they felt they could win with him.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: On Monday, Kellen Moore and the new Saints staff had
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  Speaker 1: media availability. It was it was informal, but all the
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  Speaker 1: Saints media was invited to come and meet meet the
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  Speaker 1: entire coaching staff and Kellen Moore. This was our courtesy
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  Speaker 1: of our buddy Sean fitzand Kellen Moore effectively said that
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  Speaker 1: this was going to be the plan whenever he became
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  Speaker 1: the Saints coach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly you take this job with the intentions of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some of the top players being here, and
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  Speaker 2: we felt very comfortable with him. Obviously, anytime you go
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  Speaker 2: through these things, it's great to connect first as people
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  Speaker 2: and build those relationships and go from thear So you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really really excited work.
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  Speaker 1: So effectively said he took the job knowing Carr was
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  Speaker 1: gonna be the quarterback. He also Kellen Moore again this
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  Speaker 1: is courtesy Sean Fazand at Fox eight, about the conversations
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  Speaker 1: that he's had with Derek carsonce becoming the head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we just we just talked about our obviously confidence
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  Speaker 2: in this situation and the ability for him to have
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  Speaker 2: success here. You know, I think we got a great
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  Speaker 2: group here, from from the players, the coaching staff, to
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  Speaker 2: the to the environment that we're gonna be able to
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  Speaker 2: create for him. It felt really really good and comfortable
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  Speaker 2: with what we're gonna be able to provide him.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not calling Kellen Moore a liar, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe him. I believe sometimes you tell half truths.
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  Speaker 1: And if you believe Catherine Terrell's reporting from this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and I do, Derek Carr was open to hitting the market,
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  Speaker 1: but for New Orleans, there wasn't a situation where that
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  Speaker 1: made sense because of the contract. If you would let
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr walk, you would have eaten a massive dead
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  Speaker 1: cap number this year. You would have not been able
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  Speaker 1: to get the cap relief you need it. So even
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  Speaker 1: if you wanted to let Derek Carr go test the market, financially,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't prudent to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So why did Derek Carr agree to a restructure? He didn't.
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  Speaker 1: The way that his contract was drawn, the Saints had
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  Speaker 1: a team right to exercise a contract restructure, which they took.
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  Speaker 1: They did it without Derek Carr having to approve it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not a promise. I'm not gonna sit here
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  Speaker 1: and yell a promise. I'm gonna keep my call. You've
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  Speaker 1: heard me yell enough. You know how I feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: But every time I've talked about Derek Carr, there's been
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  Speaker 1: one consistent bit of pushback I get. Now, I think
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  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly you all agree with me. Overwhelmingly. Like, if I
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  Speaker 1: had to guess just get yes from the tweets and
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  Speaker 1: the texts and the dms and all the feedback I
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  Speaker 1: get from you, I would guess eighty eighty five percent
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  Speaker 1: of you agree with me.
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  Speaker 3: Eighty eighty five percent.
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  Speaker 1: The Saints fans are fed up with Derek Carr, they
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  Speaker 1: hate the contract, they're tired of Mickey Loomis. They want
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  Speaker 1: to move on, they want to move on to what's next.
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  Speaker 1: But there's still that linger in like fifteen percent of you.
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  Speaker 1: The consistent thing I hear from you is why can't
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  Speaker 1: you see Derek Carr isn't the Saint's biggest problem. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I have not now, nor ever have I said that
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr is the SAME's biggest problem. What I have
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  Speaker 1: said consistently and a great thing about the internet, Every
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  Speaker 1: damn thing is recorded. Young, Go check my facts. Anybody
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  Speaker 1: find any video of me saying Derek Carr is the
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  Speaker 1: Saint's biggest problem.
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  Speaker 3: I'll eat my words.
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  Speaker 1: I'll apologize, but I know what I've said because I've
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  Speaker 1: said the same thing for more than two years now.
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  Speaker 1: What I have said is that Derek Carr has a
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  Speaker 1: lower ceiling but a higher floor. He's a starting caliber
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  Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. He's just a lower, mid tier,
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  Speaker 1: upper bottom tier starting quarterback in the NFL. He's not
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  Speaker 1: your biggest problem. You got bigger issues on your team.
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  Speaker 1: I've even said Derek Carr is the best quarterback option
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  Speaker 1: you have. You want to win now, he is the
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  Speaker 1: best option you have to win. However, with a lower ceiling,
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  Speaker 1: he's never gonna get you to win at the highest level,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you can't build a roster around him. And
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  Speaker 1: therein lies the rub my friends, it's not that Derek
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  Speaker 1: Carr is your biggest problem. It's that Derek Carr's contract
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  Speaker 1: relative to his value is your biggest problem. Let's look
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  Speaker 1: at this now. With this contract restructure, the New Orleans
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  Speaker 1: Saints have lowered Derek Carr's cap hit in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five to twenty million dollars. His dead cap number this
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  Speaker 1: year is seventy eight million. So he's gonna be your
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  Speaker 1: quarterback this year period. If you got rid of him
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  Speaker 1: at any point now seventy eight million against the cap,
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  Speaker 1: that ain't gonna happen, all right, So he gonna be
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  Speaker 1: your quarterback. There's a weird scenario that could unfold where
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  Speaker 1: you trade him post June one, which lets you take
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  Speaker 1: a lower dead number this year, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. It would take a wild scenario, but
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  Speaker 1: cross that bridge. If you get there. I'd give that
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  Speaker 1: a five percent likelihood. Okay, Now, next year, because of
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  Speaker 1: this restructure, Derek Carr's cap number next year is sixty
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  Speaker 1: nine million dollars. That's what it'll cost the New Orleans
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  Speaker 1: Saints in twenty twenty six if Derek Carr is on
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  Speaker 1: the roster Okay, well, what's a big deal, matt Let
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  Speaker 1: him go next year? Okay, okay, let him go next year.
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  Speaker 1: Let him go next year. And the dead cap number
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  Speaker 1: next year is fifty nine point six million dollars. It
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  Speaker 1: will cost you sixty million dollars for Derek Carr not
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  Speaker 1: to be on your roster next year. And oh, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, because you've done this Kakamami restructure twice now,
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  Speaker 1: the dead cap number in twenty twenty seven is forty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars. Derek Carr at twenty million dollars counts for
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  Speaker 1: seven percent of your cap. That's perfectly agreeable. But next year,
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  Speaker 1: whether he's on your roster or not, he's gonna count
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  Speaker 1: more than twenty million against your cap. Imagine having a
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  Speaker 1: player I said, I wasn't gonna yell my bad.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just making my point.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine having a player not on your team counting twenty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars against your cap. That's the problem. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have enough cap space to go build a roster around
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr to allow him to compete.
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  Speaker 3: If you took Derek Carr, what's the best roster in
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  Speaker 3: the NFL? The Eagles? Can we agree?
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say the Eagles the best roster in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: If you put Derek Carr on the Eagles roster, that's
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  Speaker 1: a playoff team. There's still a playoff team. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that they win a Super Bowl because I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he's good enough to do that, but there's still
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  Speaker 1: a playoff team.
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  Speaker 3: Great roster with Derek Carr. But can Derek Carr.
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  Speaker 1: Elevate a team to make the playoffs and to win
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs? I say absolutely not, because we've got eleven
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  Speaker 1: years of a sample size to show you that. So
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  Speaker 1: you gotta build a roster around him.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Derek Derek Carr.
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  Speaker 1: Next year, his cap number is going to be sixty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars or seventy depending. The highest cap hit by
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback in twenty twenty four is Dak Prescott at
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  Speaker 1: sixty million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Let's look at twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at this NFL season, all right, So Derek Carr,
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  Speaker 1: he took this restructure, so his cap number now has
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  Speaker 1: him all the way down at twenty at let's see,
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  Speaker 1: he's sixteenth. His cap number is about it gets right
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  Speaker 1: about the middle to the bottom of the NFL twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, Dak Prescott's sixty million, Joe Burrow fifty five million,
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Love fifty five million, Josh Allen fifty five million.
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  Speaker 3: This is their Caphit this.
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  Speaker 1: These quarterbacks cap hits for the twenty twenty five season.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence fifty five million, two of fifty three point
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  Speaker 1: one Golf fifty three million, Herbert fifty two to five,
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  Speaker 1: Lamar fifty two, Jalen fifty one, Kyler Murray forty six
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  Speaker 1: one point. Is point is there's a lot of quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: with a fifty million dollar cap number, but it's Joe
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  Speaker 1: Burrow and Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 3: It's the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: You can sink twenty percent of your cap number into
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  Speaker 1: those guys because they're good enough.
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  Speaker 3: When you're Derek Carr, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's what I've been yelling about for
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  Speaker 1: two years. No, Derek Carr is not your biggest problem.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the biggest weakness on your team.
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  Speaker 3: But when you're.
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  Speaker 1: Paying him like you have, you can't build a team
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  Speaker 1: around him to elevate him.
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  Speaker 3: That's your problem.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna continue to be a problem in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five and twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven because
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  Speaker 1: you continue to cripple your team's ability to build a
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  Speaker 1: competent roster.
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  Speaker 3: Around him to be able to compete. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Is Derek Carr a better option this year than Spencer Rattler?
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  Speaker 3: Hell yeah?
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  Speaker 1: But even with Derek Carr, what is this team a
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  Speaker 1: seven win team?
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  Speaker 3: So what are you doing? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they mess up and win eight. But that's
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  Speaker 1: the point I've been making now for two years, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a lower ceiling and a higher floor. He's
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  Speaker 1: not taking an average roster and elevating it. Joe Burrow
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  Speaker 1: got to a Super Bowl with me playing on the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line. He was obliterated, sacked more times than anybody
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  Speaker 1: ever gets to the Super Bowl. Why because he's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid was on something called the Better Angle. Andy
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  Speaker 1: Reid pretty good coach right keeps winning Super Bowl, is
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  Speaker 1: getting back there despite the fact that their quarterback is
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  Speaker 1: eating up fifty five million against the cap and they
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  Speaker 1: paid him a half a billion dollar contract because you
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  Speaker 1: had to. And you keep seeing guys that are great
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  Speaker 1: members of that team leave. I mean Tyreek Hill you
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  Speaker 1: don't think Patrick Mahomes would love this stuff. Tyreek Hill
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  Speaker 1: hanging around. They just Kansas City just traded Joe Toney.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Toney has been a pretty good player in his career.
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  Speaker 1: Started one hundred and forty six games, two time first
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  Speaker 1: team All Pro, two times second team All Pro, three
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  Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler. He was starting center for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: One Super Bowls there, starting center for the Chiefs one
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowls there. Chiefs just traded in Chicago. Andy Reid explain.
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  Speaker 4: Why he's like my favorite, one of my favorite all
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  Speaker 4: time guys that I've coached. He's just a good dude.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just all around a good dude. Tough, dirty, dirty, tough.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to do Chicago, you know, just a heck
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  Speaker 4: of a job. I mean, he still can play. But
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  Speaker 4: the thing you got to do is you've got to
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  Speaker 4: be able to manage this captain. It's a nightmark that way.
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  Speaker 4: You just if you're gonna if you're not going to
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  Speaker 4: push a ton of money forward, then you've got to
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  Speaker 4: manage the cap and try to keep consistent with this
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  Speaker 4: whole winning thing. And it's it's not an easy thing
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  Speaker 4: to manage, and sometimes you have to make these decisions
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  Speaker 4: and it just kicks you right in the butt. It's
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  Speaker 4: they're tough one.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. You got to manage
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  Speaker 1: this cap unless you want to just keep pushing money forward.
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  Speaker 3: Got to make tough decisions. Let me ask you a question.
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  Speaker 3: Let's pull the room.
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  Speaker 1: Who's done a better job managing the cap and building
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  Speaker 1: the roster?
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  Speaker 3: The Chiefs are the Saints. Muse, who do you think
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  Speaker 3: is done a better job? The Kansas City Chiefs?
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  Speaker 1: Ah, hater Polly, who do you think has done a
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  Speaker 1: better job managing their roster?
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  Speaker 3: The Chiefs are the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say the Chiefs, Well, you're gonna have to take
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  Speaker 1: that Florida ly off the back last of your truck.
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  Speaker 3: What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: One of the greatest dynasties in the history of the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: The head coach is telling you we just trade away
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  Speaker 1: in All Pro Center. Why because gotta manage the cap.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could just kick money in the future,
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  Speaker 1: but if you really want to mana's cap, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: make tough decisions.
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  Speaker 3: This is the problem.
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  Speaker 1: You can't build a roster capable of competing when you
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  Speaker 1: keep doing this because too much of your salary is
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  Speaker 1: tied up in players that don't play for you anymore
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  Speaker 1: or are named Derek Carr and have a low ceiling.
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  Speaker 1: If I needed to tie up a quar of my
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  Speaker 1: salary cap into Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson or Josh
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  Speaker 1: Allen or Patrick Mahomes, I do it in an instant.
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  Speaker 1: And if that meant trading away in all pro center,
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  Speaker 1: you do it because you have to. And you gotta
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  Speaker 1: be good at scouting and drafting and finding value so
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  Speaker 1: you can build your roster around your all everything quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: But when you do a terrible job of managing your cap,
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  Speaker 1: like the New Orleans Saints, this is the problem. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll say it again to you, for those of you
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  Speaker 1: who just don't seem to understand it, comprehend it, or
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  Speaker 1: want to hear it again, I'm speaking to the minority here.
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  Speaker 1: I am not saying Derek Carr is the New Orleans
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  Speaker 1: Saints' biggest problem.
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  Speaker 3: What I am.
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  Speaker 1: Saying is Derek Carr, his contract relative to his value,
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  Speaker 1: is your biggest problem. Because you have so much money
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  Speaker 1: tied up in a player that is mid it cripples
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  Speaker 1: your ability to build a roster capable of competing. And
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  Speaker 1: now with this restructure that's not gonna change for at
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  Speaker 1: least two more years. So I'm done yelling. They made
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  Speaker 1: their bed, they're gonna lie in it, and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna sit here.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk about them on Sundays and Monday whatever whenever
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  Speaker 1: they come up, because we got to and there's interest
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  Speaker 1: in the team. But if you have any expectation whatsoever,
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  Speaker 1: you need to check out at the door because this
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  Speaker 1: team is not competing for anything for at least two
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  Speaker 1: more years.