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Special Forces Commando Wakes Up | Tim Thomas · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Where did you end up going for it?
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  Speaker 4: There's an excellent on the E.
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  Speaker 5: Do you mean yes?
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  Speaker 2: I got an undone deal?
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  Speaker 5: Cars?
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  Speaker 2: Lift? Please? You're going to pass kimage?
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  Speaker 1: Oh kimmage, No done deal cars.
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  Speaker 4: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 5: Hello friends, I'm your host, christrou I'm a former Romeries commando.
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  Speaker 1: I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across eighty countries
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  Speaker 1: on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port the t
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  Speaker 1: Shirt Podcast. Now you know I'm always saying there is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ills going on in the world, folks.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you look back from time a memorial,
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  Speaker 1: you'll find that the balance of good and evil quite
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  Speaker 1: likely has always been here. The utopia that we seek
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  Speaker 1: on the outside, we're possibly never going to find. However,
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  Speaker 1: what do I say? I say, nobody's coming to rescue you.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to do it yourself. And anyone that's familiar with,
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  Speaker 1: for example, the esoteric nature, the incredible allegory contained in scripture.
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  Speaker 1: Will know that the answers lie inside, and that Moses
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  Speaker 1: was your old testament testament pineal Gland, Jesus is your
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  Speaker 1: new testament, pineal Gland. What's that telling you? That we've
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  Speaker 1: got to go within? And one of the ways we
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  Speaker 1: go in is through breathing inspiration or in spirit. And
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  Speaker 1: Tim is the man, my elite Force's brother that's going
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  Speaker 1: to enlighten us to all of this. But I do
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  Speaker 1: want to tease out some of Tim's backstory first, because
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  Speaker 1: Tim was ambushed in Afghanistan. It all kicked off, it
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  Speaker 1: got unpleasant, and probably, like me, I think after Tim
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  Speaker 1: left the forces, there was quite a bit of readjustment.
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  Speaker 1: So without more ado, Tim, how are you doing, Sir Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be here and thank you for that warm welcome.
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  Speaker 1: No problem, to be honest, I think if I were you,
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  Speaker 1: i'd be outsurfing rather than talking to a boring Englishman.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're right, it's probably getting colder over there while
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  Speaker 2: it's getting warmer down here down Under.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And didn't we just have two poms attacked by
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  Speaker 1: a bull shark in yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that's the other thing in down Under there
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  Speaker 2: is plenty of sharks in the water as well, and
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  Speaker 2: I believe I don't watch a lot of news, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: two tourists were taken and I do believe they're from
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  Speaker 2: the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of when I was backpacking around or right.
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  Speaker 1: I love to surf. You know Newcastle just north of Cydny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I popped in a second hand shot there and it
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  Speaker 1: was Derby days, really important for you guys. You know
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  Speaker 1: the race day is it the Melbourne Cup?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Yeah, yeah, you're across it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a long time ago. So I'm digging
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  Speaker 1: deep hitting and I went in there and they were
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  Speaker 1: all getting all the staff in the shop were watching
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  Speaker 1: the telly getting drunk and they were like, yeah, mate,
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  Speaker 1: just pick pick any surpboard you want, just take it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, wall, you don't want any money.
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  Speaker 2: They're like no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're we'll we'll treat you know that that
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  Speaker 1: one mate. And then they even give me the octopus
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  Speaker 1: straps to put it on. Put it on my higher
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  Speaker 1: car and yeah. I spent incredible six weeks going up
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  Speaker 1: and down the East Coast, but every time I was
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  Speaker 1: in that water, especially early in the morning. You you
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  Speaker 1: just think, you know, it just could happen. And I
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  Speaker 1: know statistically it's nonsense, But you know, ste you, I
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  Speaker 1: tell my audience, Steven Spielberg serves a function. His function
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  Speaker 1: is to keep people in trauma. You know that film Jaws.
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  Speaker 1: Is it's not done a lot for the shark species,
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  Speaker 1: is it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And you're right, You're more likely to die
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  Speaker 2: from eating baked bean statistically than getting eaten by shark.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're in that environment, it really challenges our
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  Speaker 2: idea of being top of the food chain, because this
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  Speaker 2: is why shark attacks are so scary, at least in
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  Speaker 2: my world, because we think we are top of the
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  Speaker 2: food chain, where this godlike removal from anything else on
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  Speaker 2: this planet. But when we're in the water and there's
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  Speaker 2: something genuinely more powerful than us and we're part of
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  Speaker 2: the food chain, that is almost too much to handle
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  Speaker 2: and shocked, terror and fear kick in. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually quite beautiful to be in a space where
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  Speaker 2: you have to work in with something so much greater
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  Speaker 2: than you and done right unlocks all these different parts
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  Speaker 2: of a person. Because our ancestors had to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: go into these places of danger just to feed their families.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, our genetics I believe are still in us.
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  Speaker 2: We just lack the environment for all those things to
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  Speaker 2: come out. Point in fact, I've just I just led
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  Speaker 2: a group of men on something I call the Apex Odyssey.
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  Speaker 2: And the only place you can swim with great whites
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  Speaker 2: in Australia is Port Lincoln. So I took five men
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  Speaker 2: out there. We went out to the Neptune Islands. We
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  Speaker 2: put tuna blood in the water, we were in a
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  Speaker 2: cage and all that. And on the day they didn't
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  Speaker 2: we didn't see any But just the just the fact
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  Speaker 2: of going into a place where you're not the biggest
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  Speaker 2: you know, fish in the sea or the top of
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  Speaker 2: the top of the food chain. Really and I actually
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  Speaker 2: do it every every year I go there. I'll dive
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  Speaker 2: in waters, you know, without a cage or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I've just noticed that in those environments, Chris, my
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  Speaker 2: courage fails me. And what I've noticed about fear is
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  Speaker 2: fear is me worrying about something that hasn't happened yet.
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  Speaker 2: So when I'm swimming in these green, murky waters where
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  Speaker 2: jaws could appear any minute, and you have to remember,
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  Speaker 2: a great white can see through you. They've got a
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  Speaker 2: nervous system that can pick up electrical energy. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're stress, they'll know it. They'll think your food. So
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  Speaker 2: the only way for me to get a really clean
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  Speaker 2: slate is to give up all the things I'm attached to.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm swimming around and I have to give up
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  Speaker 2: my desire to ever walk on land again. I have
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  Speaker 2: to give up my desire to ever see a sunset.
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  Speaker 2: I have to give up my desire to ever talk
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  Speaker 2: to someone I care about again. And once I empty
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  Speaker 2: myself of all these things I'm trying to hang on to,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden something turns on inside of me,
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  Speaker 2: and it's this complete oneness and I can be with
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  Speaker 2: it all. And so if a shark did turn up,
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  Speaker 2: of course it doesn't make me bulletproof, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to mistake me for food, because I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to be overreacting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting what you said then, because I always
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  Speaker 1: believe when we sort of wandered the forests gathering our
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  Speaker 1: food for these I think it's like billions of years.
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  Speaker 1: There's certainly millions of years long, longer than than history
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  Speaker 1: of science has taught us any recorded history. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I always think that we would have been in nirvana.
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  Speaker 1: We'd literally would have been in the moment all the time,
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  Speaker 1: with the exception of when we faced a predator. And
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  Speaker 1: isn't it interesting how that electrical nervous system court is
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  Speaker 1: all going into your blood. It immediately drags you from
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  Speaker 1: spirit into material, you know, into the real world to
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  Speaker 1: fight to sort out your problem, and then boom back
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  Speaker 1: to paradise again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I believe people like you and
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  Speaker 2: me and a lot of veterans are in this place.
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  Speaker 2: So I imagine a hunter gatherers. They're walking around the
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  Speaker 2: place and danger appears, and there's people that now actually
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  Speaker 2: run away from it, and then there's people that go
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  Speaker 2: time to switch on, let's go towards it, And that's
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  Speaker 2: how we get wired. And our body is just a
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  Speaker 2: sacrifice on the back of our intention. Our intention is
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  Speaker 2: to keep our love one safe and if we sacrifice
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  Speaker 2: our body in the process, that's what we're born to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I would I would I actually find that when
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  Speaker 2: you're in the in the moment of what most people
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  Speaker 2: consider terror, certain people switch on more and they become
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  Speaker 2: I would say spirit and flesh and carn't it all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden. I didn't know I could dilate time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like in the matrix where it's bullet time.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't quite like that, But I didn't know that
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  Speaker 2: when I was in my very first sort of contact
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  Speaker 2: that seconds could slow down to, like one second was
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  Speaker 2: like thirty seconds, you know, so five seconds was like
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  Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, and it was It was somewhat
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  Speaker 2: euphoric because it was this mindful moment where you didn't
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  Speaker 2: care about Yesterday didn't exist, Tomorrow didn't exist. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: even know my name. I just knew what I needed
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  Speaker 2: to do next. I knew I knew the people around me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this sense of connection that happened when we
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  Speaker 2: had an external threat that appeared. Now, obviously I don't
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  Speaker 2: think we're built for that all the time. And my
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  Speaker 2: art form for the last you know, fifteen plus years,
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  Speaker 2: have been helping people unwind their threat response to you know, go,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, It's okay to go in the cave.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay to love the people I love. It's okay
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  Speaker 2: to see beauty all around me. It's okay to let
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  Speaker 2: the tension out of my system. I don't have to
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  Speaker 2: be on point all the time. So I do think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, under heaven and earth, there's a
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  Speaker 2: time and a place for everything, and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: good to find out what your body can do. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know why. I just knew if there was a
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  Speaker 2: war in my generation, I had to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of it because I wanted to see how this body
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  Speaker 2: would react, because there was stuff in there that would
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  Speaker 2: never appear until I was actually in that physical space.
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  Speaker 2: Because the strength of our ancestors didn't disappear. It's still
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  Speaker 2: in us. But we kind of live such a comfortable life.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know just how our bodies react. We don't
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  Speaker 2: tap into that DNA that is so powerful. But I
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  Speaker 2: think I kind of went a bit too hard in
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  Speaker 2: that and I cooked myself. I got a dreamal fatigue
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  Speaker 2: on the back of PDSD, And there was this point
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  Speaker 2: where I was about to kill a man because I'd
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  Speaker 2: reach rock bottom. It was twenty eleven in April and
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  Speaker 2: family was falling apart, and someone said, Tim, you've got
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  Speaker 2: a You're all messed up. You've got to see a psychologist.
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  Speaker 2: And that didn't make any sense to me. Chris because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know this guy. I didn't trust this guy.
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  Speaker 2: What help is he going to do? And then I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what do I know? I'm the one going crazy apparently.
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  Speaker 2: So I go to this guy and I pay a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money to see him, and I'm quite triggered
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  Speaker 2: just being in that space, having to talk about all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, and this happens. I'm not the only one.
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  Speaker 2: The experience is they finally stick their hand up for help,
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  Speaker 2: and help doesn't help. In fact, help makes it worse.
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  Speaker 2: This guy wasn't just incompetent, you know. I could handle
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  Speaker 2: in competency, Chris, what I couldn't handle his apathy. He
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  Speaker 2: just didn't give a crap. So I told him all
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  Speaker 2: the crap that I saw in service Afghanistan. And at
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  Speaker 2: the end he kind of snorts and goes, ah, you
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  Speaker 2: think it was a problem with your mum and dad,
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  Speaker 2: And I tell you I hadn't had time dilation since Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 2: But that whole office froze. I immediately became aware of
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  Speaker 2: everything in that room. And I saw this guy, and
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  Speaker 2: I saw it as fortuitous that he had a glass
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  Speaker 2: frame psychology degree behind him and with a certain skill set.
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  Speaker 2: I knew there wasn't a man on the planet that
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  Speaker 2: could stop me getting out of my chair, grabbing that
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  Speaker 2: psychology degree and feeding it down his throat because he
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be a healer. In my mind, I
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  Speaker 2: was in a state of disconnect. In my state of disconnect,
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  Speaker 2: it made a lot of sense to remove this person
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  Speaker 2: who wasn't just not healing, he was causing harm. And
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  Speaker 2: I get out of my chair to do this, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel this hand on my chest and it was
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  Speaker 2: it was words like red flag, red flag. I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard those words before, and it was, Tim, you're the
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  Speaker 2: toughest guy. You know how many other people are struggling
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  Speaker 2: in a system that doesn't seem to care or even
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  Speaker 2: know how to help. And feeling quite lost, I sat
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  Speaker 2: back down. But Chris, that's when I saw him. I
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  Speaker 2: literally saw thousands of people to my left and to
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  Speaker 2: my right looking in They were hurting, and I was
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  Speaker 2: looking into me, saying, Tim, if you can find a
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  Speaker 2: way forward for you, you can find a way forward
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  Speaker 2: for us. And then all of a sudden, this guy
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  Speaker 2: just disappeared because he wasn't the thing. I said to myself,
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  Speaker 2: and look, it doesn't matter if it takes me a week,
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  Speaker 2: a year, a decade to find healing. I've got to
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  Speaker 2: find a way through this, because if it takes me
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  Speaker 2: ten years to get through this, that's the amount of
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  Speaker 2: time I'm going to be able to save all those
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  Speaker 2: people in the same situation. And that was that was
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  Speaker 2: the day I broke my isolation, because in my state
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  Speaker 2: of disconnect, I thought all sorts of crazy stuff was possible.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to kill a man. I was about
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  Speaker 2: to murder a man. I wasn't getting paid for this,
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  Speaker 2: and that made sense in my state of disconnect. But
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  Speaker 2: when I asked this golden question, and I do ask
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  Speaker 2: everyone listening to draw this question to them. With what
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  Speaker 2: you're up against, and we're all up against something. How
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  Speaker 2: many other people are in your situation? And I invite
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  Speaker 2: you to give it a real number. At the time,
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  Speaker 2: I thought at least a few thousand. So I put
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  Speaker 2: those thousands of people left and right of me, and
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  Speaker 2: then they were looking in encouraging me sincerely, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: to find a way forward. And that when my isolation broke,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was like this tornicqut came
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  Speaker 2: off my thinking mind. It's like my higher thoughts kicked
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  Speaker 2: in and I started thinking as a collective and all
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  Speaker 2: these crazy thoughts of revenge and violence towards people that
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  Speaker 2: had pissed me off. Because everything pissed me off. We're relaxed,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, well, I need to start, but firstly
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  Speaker 2: breaking the isolation and others, because pain makes people feel
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  Speaker 2: alone and that's the worst thing pain does. And so
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  Speaker 2: I had this goal Chris, of saving forty veteran lives,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't care if I worked the rest of
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  Speaker 2: my life to do that. But with the programs I created,
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  Speaker 2: they did two things, break the isolation through simple sharing,
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  Speaker 2: authentic sharing of stories. And once the isolation was broken,
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  Speaker 2: we needed to get them out of fatigue. Because if
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  Speaker 2: if I'm the only one that if I'm feeling all
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  Speaker 2: alone and isolated, I'm the only one that's got my back.
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  Speaker 2: No one's got my back. I can't drop my guard
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  Speaker 2: for a second because if I dropped my guard, something
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  Speaker 2: bad's going to happen, you know, and it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be my fault because I dropped my guard. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: feeling alone and isolated. I'm not sleeping, so I'm very fatigued.
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  Speaker 2: So we noticed that once we broke people's FORTI broke
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  Speaker 2: people's isolation and loneliness, and they'd say words like fuck.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was the only one. So when I
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  Speaker 2: heard those words come out of people's mouth, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's the first step in the healing journey. And this,
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  Speaker 2: this is what millions of dollars get poured into, you know,
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  Speaker 2: veteran mental health, but mental health in general. Veterans are
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  Speaker 2: humans too, and its and it's just water off a
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  Speaker 2: duck's back if you're not breaking the isolation and you're
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  Speaker 2: not getting people out of fatigue. And so I noticed
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  Speaker 2: that once you broke people's isolation genuinely and they felt
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  Speaker 2: they were part of something more and they started sleeping better,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't You only needed two or three percent of
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  Speaker 2: the resources you thought you needed because these people had
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  Speaker 2: their internal golden compass turned on again and they knew
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  Speaker 2: where they needed to go. And so that goal of
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  Speaker 2: saving forty veteran lives, that lifetime goal was achieved within
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  Speaker 2: twelve months.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, let's peel back to the beginning of your
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  Speaker 1: story then, because, as you know, my sort of campaign
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  Speaker 1: at the moment in my build up to Mount Everest
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  Speaker 1: is I want people to start talking about the mom
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  Speaker 1: and the dad, and I had so many people on
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  Speaker 1: this show, so many people I meet. First Off, when
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  Speaker 1: I speak to military kids, they say, hey, Chris, I
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  Speaker 1: was a military brat, and they actually say that, like like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be impressed that they've taken on board
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  Speaker 1: this oppressive moniker. That is a hideous thing to call
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  Speaker 1: any child, and that they don't understand that going to say,
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  Speaker 1: five schools before you were ten years old is incredibly
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  Speaker 1: traumatizing and damaging, and five sets of new relationships, five
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  Speaker 1: sets of bullies to five sets of teachers. You know,
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  Speaker 1: back in my day, certainly they weren't not all teachers
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  Speaker 1: were very nice. In fact, most of them were. You'd
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  Speaker 1: call them evil. Some of the stuff teachers used to
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  Speaker 1: do to us, you'd get like five years in prison
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  Speaker 1: for doing that.
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  Speaker 2: You'd make the front page of the paper just on
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  Speaker 2: a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: So I say to these interviews, I say, first off,
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  Speaker 1: don't ever refer to yourself as that in my presence. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that's just offensive to everyone. You know. Secondly, acknowledge the
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  Speaker 1: fact that your dad, his job was way more important
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  Speaker 1: to him than you were, and that is that is
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  Speaker 1: highly damaged to you as a child, that your primary caregiver, givers,
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  Speaker 1: your mother and father, one of them was absent from
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  Speaker 1: your life, rejected you. I don't tim obviously, I don't
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  Speaker 1: say it like this. I'm saying this for the purpose
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: of the podcast and just saying it. How so, this
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: is what I want to get people talking about. Like
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I say, when when my friend Craig killed himself earlier
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: this year, I read his book. He gave Afghanistan, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: like a few pages and he got you know, they
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: got really stuck in over there, and he gave his
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: turbulent youth chapters and there I couldn't see one mention
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: of his father, but I mean probably was in there somewhere.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It was a while ago I read it. But what
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I saw was, you know, drug use, violence, criminality, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: then finally the salvation of the raw marines offering this opportunity,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: which was you know, which was the story for so
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: many of us. Now I could easily say that I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: landed on my ass chronically addicted to crystal meth, mentally unwell,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: homeless on the streets of Hong Kong. Oh, that was
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: because of my military service. And my family would love
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it if I said that, because it absolves them of
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: any responsibility. Not not tim that I blame them at all,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: obviously I'm a mature adult now, But you know, it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it's just so often I have to point out to
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: people that, oh, you said you had a wonderful childhood,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and in the next breath you said your parents got
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: divorce when you were seven. It's it's and I'm being
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in like a bit you know, harsh here, obviously because
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: people who haven't studied this stuff can't be expected to know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the foundation of PTSD or complex PTSD. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I just wondered if that's an area you've explored with
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: spack to you know, you've clearly you're clearly on the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: enlightenment path, and.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's trauma right now. Chris, Yeah, Okay, It's
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: true that they say PDSD needs two events. One sort
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: of sets you up and the other knocks you over.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: The setup in my case was bullying from a senior
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: ranking person who, as I perceived, his actions, put my
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: family at risk. So he this sergeant figured out that
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you couldn't scare me. It's just not going to happen.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You get me to dig ten latrines. That just makes
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: me stronger, and he then went after my family. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: as I perceived it, it's like he took the things
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: that I value most and and hurt me with them.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: And that happened before the ambush in two thousand and nine.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I think we're in Kajakie and getting shot at wasn't
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: uncommon in Afghanistan. It was a pretty daily thing. But
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: on this occasion what set me up for PDSD is
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I perceive it was a betrayal from someone senior that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: put my family at risk. And then on this occasion,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: we knew that there was an RPG ambush rocket propeled
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: grenade ambush waiting for US upp ahead. Not unusual that,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the insurgents had been playing this game for
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a long time, and so the order came down to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: put the heavily armored vehicles to the rear of the convoy,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: because the rear vehicle is the least offended, so that's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the one that takes all the heat. And we had
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: these things called bush Masters that could take an RPG
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: no problem. The vehicle I was in was just the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: usual Special Forces. It was actually a range Rover, a
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: British made range rover with the roof cut off and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: sort of you know, machine guns put in place now
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: in the fog of war. You might call it this
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: bush master cut us off. And we were now the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: rear vehicle heading into this RPG ambush. And I saw
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that as a great act of betrayal. My vehicle commander
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: look back and said, Fellas, if this goes away, I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: think it will, it's been an honor serving with you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And I felt such rage because in my mind, the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: officer in that vehicle was looking after his own ass
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: by leaving ours out to get blown to hell. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I had this replay. You know, they call it the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ramp ceremony when they're carrying the flag bodied, flag covered
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: body of the fallen soldier down the ramp of the airplane.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And I saw my own ramp ceremony, and I saw
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: my wife and my two young kids crying. You know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: as this happened, I'm like, that fucker in the front
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: is now going to be you know. So this second betrayal,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: as I saw it, that's what tipped me into this
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: set of crazy eyes. And we had about five minutes
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: before we hit the kill, and I was I discovered
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: just how angry I could get you know, and in
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: my in my emotional state, I completely disconnected from myself.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: My high thinking was like it's like there was no
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: one else in the vehicle except me. But then like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this strange question came to me, Chris that I've that
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: sculpted me to this day, And it was Tim, how
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: many other people have done this before and how did
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: they get through it? And I'm like, I don't know anybody,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And I began to feel very alone. The night got
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: darker and Australia seemed like a very far far place
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: away from where we were. But then I started thinking,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you know what I do know some men on a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: night as dark as this came up against an enemy
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that was waiting for them, the ANZACs. So my mind
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: went back in time to these ANZACs and they were
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: heading up this beach. The Turks were waiting for them,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and what did they do? They kept moving forward. The
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: outside world could not stop them from seeing the power
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: inside them. And on Anzac Day, Chris in Australia, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you say it too, I'm sure we say less we forget,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: less we forget. And it was like these ANZACs poked
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a hole through time started finger pointing me in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: chest and saying, lest you forget, lest you forget the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: power inside of you, Lest you forget the power looking
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: after your mates. And I tell you, Chris, that in
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that moment, my isolation was broken, and it was like
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: night turned into day. And what happened next was was
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: this series of amazing events that that happened once I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: gave up on my woe is me, this is and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: worrying about the stuff that hasn't happened yet. I literally
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: saw my circulatory system jump out in front of me
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and I was looking at it like a map, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I saw that, you know, the blood gone from the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: heart down the legs up into the brain. And I'm like,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you know what, the brain is the only thing I
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: need to maintain positive pressure. So I can lose an
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: arm and a leg that is it's RPGs, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: but I might lose two. So let's put two tornique's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: on my chest. So normally we have one, but we
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: put I put a second one up there because I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: was on the fifty cow so I'll be the one
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: drawing most of the bullets, and I needed to be
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: ready in case something, you know, hurt my mates as well.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And when I broke my isolation. It was like, all
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: these options came to me that I never thought was available.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And a strange thing happened. When you have more energy
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: in the moment, your thoughts can think higher. And I thought, well,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you know what, they might find my body in five
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: minutes time, But you know what they're not going to find.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: They're not going to find magazines full of bullets. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: am emptying all my ammunition on this one. And then
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it kind of dawned on me. I'm like, crap, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: guess what. My magazines contain bullets, But my mind, Our
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: minds contained something so much more powerful than bullets. They
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: contain ideas, They contain hopes and dreams. I'm like, why
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: die with all those things still in your head? So
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: if I survive this tonight, it is time to empty
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a magazine. I Am not going to put my body
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: into the grave before I empty out everything I have
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: in my head.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And so I've got two things going on there. I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: noticed we've conveniently skipped over the childhood stuff, which I'd
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like to cover because this feelings of rage and anger
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and feeling that our families are you know, that doesn't
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: come from nowhere. Tim does it. But also before we
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: do that, let's talk about this ambush. So where were
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the rounds hitting? Well, i'd worked out with my higher
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: thinking kicked in. These are our pgs we're going to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: get hit with. And they self detonate at fifteen hundred meters,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so they're going to be probably and they don't want
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to be too close to us, so they they're going
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, shooting at us between eight hundred
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and one point two kilometers away.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And I worked out the arcs and I'm like, if
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: we're going at thirty five ks, now, we're going to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: be inside the killbox for maybe three or four minutes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: And I thought, well even if I even if I
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: bleed out and die, my mates will be able to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: revive me with a you know, IV drip. So I
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: did an interview on ABC National and I actually wrote
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: a book about it. My standard answer, Chris is, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: just by the book if you want to know what happened.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But look between you and me, like I said, bombs, bullets,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: daily ambushes happen every day. On that occasion, for whatever reason,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: no one pulled the trigger. We went through the kill
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: box and absolutely nothing happened Wow, but it was. But
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: it was one of the rare occasions where you actually
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: knew it was going to come and you had those
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: sort of thoughts about stuff beforehand.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, you've got off lightly, are we saying on that occasion, yes, yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and going back to them before your service and what
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I think people don't just join up for
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: no reason, and you know, to come out of service
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and have complex PTSD. Obviously, that's a build up, that's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: your whole life has led to that point. And I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: just wondered if we could explore that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, and I don't want to. I didn't skip
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: over the childhood stuff. I mean, I had a regular childhood.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: There wasn't anything there that I would say that set
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: me up for the PTSD I had in Afghanistan. That's
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: why I sort of caveated that most PDSD has an
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: event before which in some cases would be childhood trauma,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: but in my case was an experience of higher ranking officer,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know, screwing me over. I joined the military at thirty.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: They were running this direct recruiting into special forces in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Australia for the very first time in Australia's history. If
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you passed all the testing to get in, and you
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: did your basic, you did your advance, you could get
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a chance to go on Special Forces selection and obviously
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: if you pass that only then could you get let in.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: So in two thys and four, essentially the government you
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: wore was coming, so they had money, but no bums
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: on seats for you know, Special Forces. And the oldest
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: alliable age was thirty and I was thirty and everyone
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: was saying I was too old. My nickname was old
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Man Tomo, which I didn't particularly like that I in
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: my twenties, I was a professional fighter, so before mixed
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: martial arts was a thing, there was no rules. Fighting
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: which was semi legal held in underground biker bars, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: back in the nineties you could smoke in pubs, so
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: you know you're walking out to the ring coughing up
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: half a lung. I would say, though, if we're talking
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: about trauma. I was raised in a very conservative Christian household,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: like it was obey the letter of the law right,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and you were taught to turn the other cheek. And
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: can you imagine how quick it was that the other
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: kids in the playground realized they could punch the big
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: guy in the face. It out and he wouldn't do anything,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: you know, So there was that was a thing, right.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So in many ways, my getting my power back when
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I was doing the professional fighting could have well been
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: a trauma response because it felt it felt great to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: be in this sort of combat where you could you
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: could hit back. You know.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in psychological tone. It's called taking control to him,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: isn't it. It's that it's the same. It's there's parallels
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: there with alcohol and drugs. It's you can do this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: behavior and it puts you in the control seat as
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: opposed to that innocent child who had the control taken
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: taken away from them. And yeah, I appreciate you saying
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that because i've kind of sometime was chatting with someone
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: yesterday and they were like, you know, is your podcast
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: political crew? And I was like, no, not at all.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a freedom you know, enlightened person and I just
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: want to give this back to other people, and I
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: use various mechanisms to do that. And what they've done
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: over the years is I've just moved away from the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: military podcast simply because I just fed up with veterans
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: coming on and telling me that they had wonderful childhoods.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And I know that they didn't, but perhaps they don't.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: They don't, they haven't got to that stage where they
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: can acknowledge that, so they're still blowing the I got
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: PSD in war thing, And of course our charities are
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: all set up for Oh, PTSD is it's only soldiers
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: get it and you have to be And what's happening
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: is all these wonderful people, both civilian and military, that
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: didn't get PTSD in Afghanistan and sat there going, well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I can't go and ask for help because I didn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: serve in the minute. People are going to think like
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I'm a sissy or so, and what do they do?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: They end up taking their own lives because they feel worthless.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And this needs to be challenged. And this is why
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sort of kind of, you know a little bit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: More, Chris, And to me, I'm actually dyslexic. I see
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: things in patterns, and the pattern I saw in pain
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: was it doesn't matter if it's emotional pain or physical pain.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It'll go for a certain duration or intensity where it
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: transforms without the person even knowing it into loneliness and isolation.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Now we're social mammals, you know, Chris, if you knew
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I had your back one hundred percent, and I knew
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you had my back one hundred percent, there's not a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: goddamn thing that we can't do. All everything just falls
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: away when we feel truly connected to our fellow human
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And conversely, when we feel alone isolated, no one's got
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: my back. That's probably the worst human pain I know
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and in my experience of suicide, and this is what
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: made me effective in that suicide prevention space was the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: conversation where people don't know the pain emotional, physical, it
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter veteran or civilian, it doesn't matter. You become
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: alone and isolated and you're not sleeping, you're fatigued, you're lonely,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you're in pain. You can see you're causing pain to others,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and if you look into the future, you can't see
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: anything changing. And then suicide comes as Oh wow, I'm
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: going to do everyone a favor. I'm going to do
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you a favor. I'm gonna do myself. I'm gonna end
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the pain. I'm gonna end the pain to me, I'm
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: going to end the pain to you. Is this is
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: like a revelation. I'm helping people when I do this
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and in their in their state of fatigue and loneliness,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: they find a way out and simply saying those words
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: out loud to somebody who's in that situation, they start
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: opening their jaw and going, fuck, I thought I was
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the only one you know. And if you're, if you're
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: in those dark places, I just want to invite you
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to consider the question, how many other people do you
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: think are in your situation right now, whatever you're up against,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And if you can give that a real number, then
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: they're now the people looking in authentically encouraging you, because
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: if you can find a way forward for you, you're
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: going to find a way forward for them. And it
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: starts with breaking isolation because only you were qualified to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: break their isolation. You know, no amount of mental health
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: or good psychologists is going to break that personation isolation.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Only you because you can say, you know, I've been
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: through breast cancer, I've been through you know, the veteran
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: PTSD space, I've been through whatever it is that you're
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: up against. Your words can dissolve the rocks around their hearts.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Because unspoken words become like rocks around a person's heart.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: It's like they can't feel anymore and as humans, we
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: want to feel, you know, And I used to drink
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: all sorts of alcohol just so I could feel I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: had these rocks around my heart that I was just
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: carrying and life was hard. So if I was speaking
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: very plainly to veterans, you know, you might not think
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you're special, but I bet you've been through some shit,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and our job is not to stay in the ship,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: but to turn that shit into fertilizer, because the stinkiest
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: shit makes the best fertilizer that makes everything grow. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it might take you a week or you know, a
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: year to turn that shit into fertilizer, but that's the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: amount of time you're going to be able to save
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: all those other people. And once you can contextualize, it's
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: not what we do that makes us valuable from the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: perspective of others. It's what we come through, and it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: often the last thing we want to do, but it's
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the thing that makes us most valuable to others. You know.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I thought I'd be happy just drinking lots of alcohol,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: taking lots of pills, but I feel I was put
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: through that so I could then create pathways for others
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: in the same situation to get through what I got
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: through in far less time.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it starts with the conversation.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I just want to point if you see
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: me looking over there, I'm not ignoring you. I'm putting
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: information up on the screen. It's it's yeah, it's a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: pet hate of mine, bloody on another screen.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: It's annoying. So yes, the communication, Yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, And it needs to be acknowledged that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: we're indoctrinated. I mean you joined quite late, so you
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: had your kind of mental faculty when you joined up.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: A lot of us we joined as teenagers, and we're
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: in me. You thrown into this incredibly alpha male matcho
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: team environment with a specific focus in certainly in our
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: commandos that a training mechanism or technique is to make
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you feel that you're the weakest link, which I don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: think is probably not I don't think it's helpful. And
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to some people who don't have the you know, the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: self governance or the power within them, this I think
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it's incredibly damaging because even as adults, I see former
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: ryal marines like they're still like that, looking at what
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: they think other people will think of them, and that
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: can be so powerful to actually make you think you
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: are worthless. To take your own life, you must have
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: got to a place where you thought your life was worthless.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: And the irony is these guys that we're losing. A
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: really lovely bloke, you know, the one of the chaps
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Lee took himself out the game. He left after a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: twenty odd year career, like twenty five years or something.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Super guy used to message me and thank me for
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: all my charity work and this kind of stuff. He
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: sent me photos in holding my books and just a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: super super bloke. He killed himself the day after he
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: left service. And he had four four children, Tim, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: four children? What was going through his head? Why is
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there no planning place that recognizes that if you take
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it to someone from a rocky childhood, I mean you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: mentioned dyslexia. That's another major red flag, you know, of
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the hey, I'm different to the rest kind of thing,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and you put them through this heavy brainwashing that they're
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: potentially the weakest link and all these other thirty blokes
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: are going to hate you and probably even get violent
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: on you. And I witnessed that in my service. And
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: then when they leave this this protective umbrella, and then
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: they've been told for twenty years that the color of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: their hat makes them really important. In reality, like totally
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: means nothing to anyone outside of the military except a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: few people on the fringe that understand the commitment it
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: takes to get a green lid or a you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a purple lid or a cherry lid or whatever it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: might be. And you know that military is acting as
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the substitute for the father that was never really there,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: or the bullying, you know, the lack of self esteem
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: from the bullying in school, and then you're expected to
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: leave it after twenty years and be totally all right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you're not feeling that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: good in yourself and you're now concern that nobody likes you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of work to do here, but
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: tim that brings us onto the good stuff, because that's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: where you and I come. And isn't it in the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that we're doing breath work. Where's my little got my
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: air fit here? I'd be interested to get your opinion
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: on the batteries long since run out so that it
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: won't can act to the app on my phone. But
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: this is a lung lung capacity trainer, folks, right, not
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: more for the sort of fitness side of things than
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the spiritual, but you still are, you know, inspiring. It's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: kind of a bit wim hoffish, you know, to anyone
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: out there, and we're not talking to veterans, We're talking
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to everybody, because I would argue everyone's traumatized. I see
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the effect that it has on people. I love the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: women very hard as a bloke to know what to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: try and give a compliment sometimes because the damage has
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: been done there through years of the the satanic beauty culture,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: where now we no longer recognize people as beautiful for
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the way that they are. We've set up this, you know, hideous,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: grotesque ideal of what makes you know a beautiful person,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and you see people just buying into that from the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: intense media brainwashing to the point where you've got people
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: there tim you've got girls that literally won't go out
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of the house unless they've spent two hours in front
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of the mirror. Do you know what I mean? It's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it's and I'm not criticizeding people who want to wear makeup.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: That's not the point what I'm saying. The point what
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is, my God, if you're like, oh, no, no, no,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I can't go out like this. Why are we not
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: pulling that up by the bloody drawstrings or whatever? You know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Why is that not being challenged? This is our children,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: This is our odd kids that are subjected to this.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It starts with all the pink shit when they're like
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: two years old, and then assigning you know, the people,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: colors and this sort of thing. Then you've got the blokes,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you know, most blokes, idea and masculine. It is Hollywood,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: this insane, insane view that the more people you can
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: hill in a movie that makes you know that that's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: what you should aspire to in life. And then the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: bodybuilding stuff and the and the tattoos and the gym
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and the and all of this stuff that on the
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: outside you think it's creating strong men. I'll tell you what,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: tim they go and top himself just as quick as
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: the ones without the muscles and the tattoos, just as damage,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: just as searching for that daddy that didn't love them enough.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And yeah, sorry, gone slightly off on one, haven't. I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: can't even remember what we're doing a podcast.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Regardless of how you get there, I think the pattern
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you're pointing to if I'm hearing you right, Chris, is
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that the second you put your sense of self worth
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: on something outside of you, you automatically become off centered
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and a bit of a slave to that. You know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it's beauty, doesn't matter, if it's
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: a car, doesn't matter, if it's the way the body,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: what other people say about your body. We ironically look
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: for the value that we can give ourselves in others.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: And without segueing too harshly, I've found the experience of
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: breath work done properly can actually give us the sense
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of peace, the sense of power, the sense of self
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: worth that a lot of people are looking for. So
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: with all my clients, I said, imagine, imagine before you
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: leave the house. I mean, I'm all about being productive
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and doing what you're supposed to do in this world.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But don't think that the car that you're working hard
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to get is going to give you your sense of self worth.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: What if and nothing wrong with getting a car, but
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: what if you could give yourself that sense of self worth?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: What if you could give yourself that sense of peace
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: before you left the house from your own resources. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: then you're like, you know what, it's going to be
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: great to get that car because I want to, not
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: because I have to, or I'm not feeling something I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: don't want to feel.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely sorry, Tim, I was just I was just getting
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: up my friend's suicide. Note here so people can see
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: how real this is. This was Craige. Goodbye to the world, folks.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: You can just see it. I can't show you the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: rest of it because it's got my f friends list
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on Facebook and they probably wouldn't appreciate. Well, I mean
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't really give a damn to be honest, but
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: you never know. Look, goodbye beautiful people. So someone who
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: had it within them to call people beautiful wrote that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: as he was taking his own life, it's exactly right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And I see a lot of people on the right
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: trajectory and they don't get as far as to what
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you just said to him, which is it's not on
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the outside. It's on It's not even on the skin,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the earrings, the hairstyle, the mutt. It's making that connection
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: with the divine and then realizing the divine is you.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And it's quite simple, really, if your God or a
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: manifestation of God. And I know that is a borring
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to people because Christianity and organized religions and controlling doctrination.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: It works really really well keeps people in their you know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: material place. But once you realize that you are a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: divine manifestation, then you understand that you're that's what That's
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: hence the term eternal life. You've always been here, you
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: will always beat be here, not in this body that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: people referred to as grits. You know, you you'll transform
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: your you're your energy. At the end of the day,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you'll become other stuff. And I'm not talking about reincarnation.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I just mean physically, you you know, this building material
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: called energy will will go on to form other things.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Then you realize, well, if I've always been here and
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I'll always be here, I can't worry about anything, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I certainly can't worry about people who live in the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: ego who go round upsetting everyone and up you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: calling people out and slagging them off on Facebook and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: sacking them from That's why if I ever get sat,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I just walk o and laugh. It's it's it all
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: becomes irrelevant to him, you know. And in instead, you
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: can learn to love yourself and love the universe and
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: realize tim is me and I'm just Tim in another body.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You know, we're truly brothers. That's why I wish the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: best for Tim, and I know he wishes the best
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: for me. There's no we'd be deluded if we saw
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: life in a different way. And so yes, absolutely with
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you on that, on that, Tim, it is within. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you said an interesting thing before the podcast, you said,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: inspire from the word in spirit. You know in the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: beginning was with Jesus breathed life, Sorry, God breathed life
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: into the creation.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, technically in Genesis God took clay and breathe
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: into man's nostrils. And it amazes me how many professional
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: athletes I'd work with don't know how to breathe. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: it amazes me how so many Christians don't see breath
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: work as a spiritual practice, because man was created by
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: breath into from God's breath into men's nostrils. And if
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you read the New Testament, how did Jesus give the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit to his disciples? He breathed on them. And
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: so I've done over fourteen thousand recorded rounds. More than that,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: but fourteen thousand recorded rounds of breath work, and I've
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: not found a height or a depth to the experience
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: because it's, in my terms, a spiritual experience. And I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: agree that we are a physical manifestation of a spiritual form.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And the way I sort of come to it, Chris,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: you know, if you say we are God in the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: way that a branch is part of the tree, okay.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Or if you have a magnet with a piece of
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: paper on top, and you've got metal filings on top
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: of the piece of paper, those metal filings will stack
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: up to that invisible field, you know, and imagine if
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that magnet was sentient and he could make the bits
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: of metal filing form a different shape. So that's how
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I see this body that we've been given, is the
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: invisible forces creating it. So the it's like that the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: metal filings aren't God themselves, but they are in tune
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: with the God energy. And that's what I believe we're
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: here to do, and we naturally want to connect to
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the God energy. But I believe we hold blockages. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: you know, people call it trauma, people call it whatever.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I call it, a blockage between us and our sovereign state,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: between us and our divine state. And what happens when
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: we're in the divine state there's more love, more joy,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: more peace, and we naturally experience those things. We're built
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to experience those things. But the form we're in and
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the world we live in often we pick up these blockages.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And this is where I think breath work has a
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: place to give us a chance to feel what life
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: is like without those blockages for a second, to get
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: to get ourselves realigned, to create a place that we
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: want to live from. That tells me that, oh, I'm
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: feeling there's something in me that's blocking my connection to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: the divine. I've got to get back into it. But
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: so many people, I lived for many years with this
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: blockage that stopped me feeling more love, more piece, more joy,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: and I compensated with lots of alcohol. I compensated with
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: lots of pills, and I didn't know breath work was
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: there to give me a chance to reset myself daily,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: to live from. I call it the zone of sovereignty,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm very aware now when I step outside of
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: my zone. Whereas in the past i'd step outside of
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: my I'd get in there, but then I'd fall out
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: and wouldn't know it. I just knew I had to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: drink a lot at the end of the day.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, the old self medicating is not like us veterans
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: to take a drink or two, is it? And and
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and all the rest. So Tim just want to come
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: in there. This is the frustration of the podcast. My
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: podcast is we're literally talking about the greatest stuff people
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: could ever you know, this is what people should be
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: talking about in pubs. Not not that people really go
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: to pubs anymore. The government. The government's destroyed that. And
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of people like I say, Chris,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: when are the veterans when they come to rescue us?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: When are the military going to throw down their art
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: or you know, turn their back on the king and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: come and actually fight for the people that they swore.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: And my thing is like, what are you doing again?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: You're externalizing, aren't you. You're putting it out on you.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: You're putting your blind faith guys like doing the lottery
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and thinking that that's going to secure your future. It's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it's highly highly highly statistically unlikely. And yet if we're
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: all this one energy field, what are people doing themselves
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: now right this minute? That's where you keep seeing me
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: going every time you remind us of breathing, you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: because it worked the tree that you talk about. We're
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: a part of that tree, and that was some you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: how many people in the freedom movement think they're awake.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Understand when I say that tree, there is literally a part.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I can't function without it. That tree dies, I die. Okay,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you know, en Mass, If the trees die, I can't
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: survive without them. It's a symbiotic relationship, the geia theory,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the synergy of universities. Everything's connected.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're as powerful as we are connected. And
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: that comes with certain awareness. But there's being aware of it,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and there's embodying it truly, wholy and solely. And I
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: found those individuals. You don't need many of them, but
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: if they can really embody the divine, it's like they
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: can compense. They can connect tens of thousands of others
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: because just like disconnect can be imposed on others, connection
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: sovereignty is able to flow over from you know, your
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: energetic space into so many others. You know, Fear is contagious,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: as is courage, and we get to choose what state
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: we occupy. And for me personally, the quickest way I've
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: found to connect to that spirit is through.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Breath, absolutely right in that moment. And also breath is
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: a form of breathing is a form of meditation, which
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: is emptying the mind.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Is it not well to be technical, you could say
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: breath work is meditation, but meditation classically is thoughts, controlling thoughts,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and that can be really hard when you've got a
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: bit of a train wreck going on up here. What
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: breath work is is a chemical override. So it's a
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: bit like going to the side of the house and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: pulling the fuse box out. Because breath is more ancient
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: than thinking. Before we were thinking, we were breathing.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I think we've got a very different understanding of meditation. Tim.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and I reckon this is
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like preached in breath work seminars that that meditation shit
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: where they are I.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Know, I'm not saying it's shit. I'm just saying I'm
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: just saying there's certain modalities which attain the same end state,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Like we are looking for that connected mindfulness, feeling one
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: with the divine, and there are different modalities to get there.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that classically, meditation is a guided thought
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: process connected to the body. Breath is focusing on the
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: breath and all of a sudden, the mind and body
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: just fall into play. So me, I'm probably a little
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: more expedient in my practice, and maybe because I've had
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: such good results from breath work, I'm leaning that way.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: So I hope, I hope I'm making myself clear. I'm
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: not pinning breath meditation.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and no you're not. You're not slagging off meditation.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify that for me. And in
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: scripture Jesus said, take no thought. I prayer as an
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: empty the mind, not not think. If you're thinking, that's
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: not meditation. It's the complete opposite it. And what you're
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: trying to do is you're you're focusing your energy on
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the pinney, on the petuitary gland, to to to to
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: send your energy to your your aka, your third eye.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Isn't it your deal in your peturatory ground, they create
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a trusts field. And if you put your energy there
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: rather than squander it in thinking about this and thinking
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: about that and eating this and stressing, you know, it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: just quiet in the mind. Take no thought, and as
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: a result, your biochemical mechanism changes and your frequency rises
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to connect with what we've been referring to us as
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the divine So I just wanted to highlight it's a
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: very we're talking about a very similar thing. Meditation team
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: is just so you know, I just say to people, look,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I've got to bring myself back from that because I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: could just it's taking.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah I got that, I got that well, you know, but.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't mean. I didn't mean a talk covi you.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I just hate it when like everyone's going in the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: same direction and there's this kind of like slight misunderstanding
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and we're.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Completely to disagree on certain points. You know, we fight
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: for the right to disagree. You know, if everyone was
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: like Tim, it to be a very boring world. And
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: we have to fight for the right to be a
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: little offensive too, because essentially any expression could be offensive
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: to somebody, you know, So we can only offer authentically
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: what we have and know that if it does impact
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: on someone else, usually it's just a chance for them
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: to see the imbalance that they have, because we can't
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: get offended at anybody unless there's something inside of us. Yeah,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: you know, So I would love because we've spoken about breath,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: we've spoken about sleep, I would love to give your
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: listeners a real access. So if it works for you.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I'd love to show them how my little party trick,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: how in how in three breaths you can completely relax
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: your body in mind.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, let's do it.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: So all I'm going to ask is, if you're going
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to do this, make sure you do it in a
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: safe place. You know, if you've had of any major surgery.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Just go extra gentle on this one. But obviously, breathing
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: is natural, there's it's and it's to be done in
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: a relaxed and comfortable place. This breathwork technique is not
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: to be done like driving or anything like that. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: to get them and this is going to be your breath,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: but to get the most from it, you have to
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: understand that you've been breathing your whole life. So how
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: many years has that being Chris, that's fifty six for me?
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Fifty six years. Okay, you're holding your age very well there.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're here all the time. So for fifty
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: six years you've had a certain habit of breathing a
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: certain way. So to do something new, we have to
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: give permission for our breath to give us a new experience.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: So before I, before I do these three breaths, I
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: just need to ask three questions of yourself and the listeners.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: This is all invitation, but it's going to allow you
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: to get the most from this little three breath experience
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: that if it works, you're going to be able to
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: have it in your back pocket for yourself whenever you
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: need it, as well as for anyone you come across
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: who needs to reconnect back into their own body and mind.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: So the first question really simple. Chris, do you give
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: permission to your own breath to completely nourish every cell
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: in your physical body? Yes? I do Awesome, that was easy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: And Chris, do you give permission for your breath to
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: nourish every part of your conscious thinking mind? Yes? Awesome. Okay,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: last question, Chris, do you give permission to your breath
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: to nourish every part of your unconscious mind?
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Awesome. So this is really simple. Simply breathe in and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: out nice. Now on this time when we breathe in,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: and ideally breathing in and out is with mouth close,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: breathing through the nose. I want you to breathe in,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: but then breathe in more more, more, more, more more more. Okay.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: So we're going to start with an exile, blow it out,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: blow it out, blow it out, out, out, out, out out.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: You'd be surprised how much you can blow out, and
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: then start breathing in and then breathe in more more, more, more, more, more,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: more more more more, in in in, in in, and
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: then just hold it and give it a wriggle. Wriggle
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: your shoulders, wriggle your spine, wriggle your arms, wriggle, wriggle, wriggle,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: push it around the place, wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, and then
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: let out with it. Ah nice, Just let that energy integrate.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: This is an active receivership. This is a gift that
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: was given and we let it into every part of us.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Very good. Now, part of the joy of my job, Chris,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: is showing people what their own body, the body that
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: they've had their whole life, can actually do. And a
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't actually know that their two fingers
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: and thumb contain a power button. So on this occasion,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: we're going to hit that power button. When we're in
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the top ten percent of our inhile, so we're gonna
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: blow it out just like we did. We're going to
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: breathe in. And when we're in and that last little
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: bit of breath, I want you to pinch your fingers
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: together and look up. Okay, and pinching your fingers together
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: really hard will activate those inspiration muscles. Okay, So just
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: two fingers getting ready to pinch. Okay, call them power buttons,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: and just exhile, exhal exhile, and as you blow it out,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: shake it out, blow it out, shake it out, blow
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it out, shake it out, shake it out, shake it out,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: shake it out, shake it out. And when you're all
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the way at the bottom, start breathing in. And then
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: when you're ready, hit those power buttons and look to
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: the ceiling. Hit the power buttons, look to the ceiling.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Open, open, open, awesome.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Now hold it and just wriggle, wriggle your shoulders, wriggle
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: your spine, wriggle your hands. Circle, circle, circle, and if
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: it feels good, let it out with a sigh. Ah nice,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: and just let that energy fall through your system, fall
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: through your body, fall through your mind, fall through your
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: unconscious mind. Very good. It's amazing how impactful just one
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: or two breaths can be. So how are you feeling, Chris, yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: absolutely wonderful. And we're not even a third of the
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: way through it. So when we breathed in and then
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: we breathed in more, you notice there was more air
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: being filled up in your top third. So we're going
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: to call that your secondary inhale. Okay, and your power
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: buttons help with the secondary inhle. So you know, if
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you're in a shopping center and you know the line's
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: taking too long, you're getting a bit frustrated, I will
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: pinch my power buttons and snort through my nose, fill
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: it there, regul it around, and just and then that
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: gets brought back to who I am and where I am.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Because we only get frustrated when we warrant about something
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: that's outside of us. That little power button brings us
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: back into the moment. Okay. So that's why I call
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the secondary in hale the breath of possibility. When things
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: feel impossible, I make them possible again by breathing the
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: breath of possibility because that brings me back to who
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I am and where I am. And when you're ready,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show you how to juice it up
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: even more. All right, So everyone's got one of these
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: noses and behind our noses are sinuses. Now, when I
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: was a professional fighter, my coach used to say, Tim,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: before you do a combination, do a big snort through
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: your nose, because that sucks air over your sinuses straight
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: into your brain so you can you can function better. Now,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: that might not have been based in science, but it
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: was very effective in combat. And I'm going to show
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you how to access rapid oxygen uptake through your sinuses
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: as we do what we've just done. So this time,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: when we just blow it out with our power buttons ready,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: we're going to double the speed of our inhal So
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: let me give you a little demonstration. So just like before,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: we're going to blow it out, blow it out, blow
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: it out, have our power buttons ready, and then very rapidly,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to look at the ceiling and breathe in
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: through my nose, pinching my fingers and I'm really trying
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: to suck that air over those sinuses to pull it
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: straight through and then hold it and give it a wriggle.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Is that cool? All right? So with your power buttons ready,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: blow it out, blow it out, blow it out, blow
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: it out, out, out out out, out let yourself. Hunch
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: over head sort of forward. That'll sort of help help
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: empty out your lungs. Head forward, and then when you're ready,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: hit those power buttons. Point your nose at the ceiling
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: and breathe in rapidly through your nose like you're trying
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: to suck air through the back of your head. Open open, open, open, now,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: hold it and wriggle wriggle, wriggle, wriggle it, wriggle it,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: wriggle it. Push out any tension, wriggle, wriggle wriggle those shoulders,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: push it around the place, and if you feel like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: there's a sigh inside you just let it out with
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: a ah.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest him, I'm too relaxed to make that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: noise that to make the sigh.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: That's perfectly fine. There's no wrong ways to do it.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: The fact that you're doing it, you're feeling relaxed, it's
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: a plus.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's a See, there's so much sort of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: crossover here. I'm not really like, I'm a what do
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: you call eclectic person? So when people come to Minutes,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: say Chris, how do I meet? I said, you're already
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: You're you're thinking way too much. You'll look to externalize
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: something and then jump on it as though that's going
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: to save you, And I say, look, but the other
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: thing I do, obviously is breath. Breathing, especially if if
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you're in a stressful environment. Really that's your go to thing,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: isn't it. And the process you've put me through, tim,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I would describe that as the Kunderlini experience, like a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Kunderlini yoga, which to me is is almost like the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: ultimate goal of meditation is if you can achieve that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: state you really Oh.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: You're plugging back into the power, which is this thing here.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: The second we focus out there, it's like we're giving
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: our energy away. But when we do that breath, we
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: plug back into the source of all power. And if
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: if anyone's experienced sort of something taken from us, our
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: natural instinct is I've got to take it back. No,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: we've got to give it back to ourselves by plugging
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: into something super powerful. Now I've actually only shown you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: half of this technique. It's about to get a whole
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: lot better if you can believe that.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I can't wait, can't wait, friends at home, I'm not
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: just putting this on. I can absolutely take It's like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: it's like someone's giving you a bite of the most golden,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: bloody apple and it just it's emancipating. It's like a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: feeling you've never felt before that you've got this. This
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: such a beautiful feeling that kind of lingers in the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: top of your your body, like this magic elixia that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you've been filled with. It's it's yeah, this is uh,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: this is on the money, this one.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: And I really hope it serves you and your listeners
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: because once you've got this, you're going to have this
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: for life, for at least as long as you're breathing. Okay,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: And if you can master this, you may come across
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: somebody that very quickly you can bring them into balance
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: simply by this particular breath. And I found that that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: power button interaction helps override intrusive thoughts, brings you back
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: in the moment, helps you access that breath of possibility. Okay,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: so breath of possibility, I'm going to show you how
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: to move it into the breath of peace. Now. This
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: breath of peace is a super relaxing experience and again
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: needs to be done in a safe place. You can
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: do breath with possibility in the public. This one, you
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: want to be seated, feeling supported, and you know, not
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: in the shower or near any body of water, okay,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: because this one can create a really deep drift, which
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: is very pleasant, and it's to be let in. But again,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: just be in a safe space. So we're going to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: do exactly what we did. We're going to you know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: double the speed of the inhal breathe in and hold
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: it up. But then we're going to riggle it. We're
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: going to wriggle it from up to the middle down low, okay,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: and allay your head to sort of go forward. And
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I just encourage you right now, just so you can
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: get the feel of it. Put your hands on your
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: belly and push your belly out. So we're going to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: be pushing our air down low into our belly down low. Okay.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to trap it there, and then we're just
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: gonna hum for as long as possible, mouth closed, coming
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: out the nose. Okay. The reason why we're doing this
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: and the reason why we should be breathing through our
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: nose more often is nitric oxide is only created through
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: our nose, not our mouth breathing, so breathing through your nose.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Nitric Oxide benefits the heart, benefits the brain. It's a vasodilator.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: It helps with physical performance, helps with physical recovery, It
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: helped it boosts your immune system, it boosts sexual function.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: So if you went to the chemist and said I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: want something that helps my heart, my brain and every
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: part of me, you're probably paying hundreds of pounds over there,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars elsewhere. But we can dose this ourselves
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: by breathing through our nose, and when we hum, it
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: uptakes the amount of nitric oxide by two hundred percent.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: So what we gonna do is do that breath of possibility.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Hold it, but we're gonna wriggle it down low, wriggle
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: it down low like it's a balloon sitting down low,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: and then just hum for as long as possible, and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: just let that vibration go through your nose. And I'll
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: be here with you as we do it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Right, So ten, because of my adhd like personality, can
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you just talk me through that just quite quickly?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Sure, let me let me demonstrate it just like we did.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: We're going to do the breath of possibility. We're gonna
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: hold our breath and we're just gonna wriggle it down low,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: wriggle it down low. Wriggle it down low, wriggle it
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: down low, hands on the belly, hands on the belly,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: push it down low, push it down low, let your
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: head go forward, and then just go and hum for
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: as long as possible through your nose.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, and initially initializing it, we're breathing all the way
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: out first, and power buttons. Breathe in through the nose,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: pushing it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: To the back of us.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Sinus is the back of our head.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Hold it and then wriggle, rigg or wriggle breath. When
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: you're at the top of your breath, hold down low,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: down load, push it down low, con pressure, and then
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: just go and hum for as long as you can
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: through your nose. I'll walk and talk you through it.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: And don't worry. You're doing really well.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: You've got the rest of your life to perfect this.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Just tell me, I'm tell me, I'm a top student.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I like that. Go for this.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: So with your power buttons ready, Exhile, exhil, exhil, exile.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Blow it out, shake it out, blow it out, shake
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: it out, shake your shoulders, shake it out. As you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: blow it out, and then when you're ready, hit those
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: power buttons. Look up, wrap it inhusero the nose in
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: in in in in in in in in Now hold it,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: hold that breath and just wriggle, wriggle the front of you.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Push it from you to your middle chest. Let yourself
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: hunch forward, put your head forward, put your hands on
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: your belly, hands on your belly, hands on your belly,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: feel it push down low, can push it down low,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: and then just hum for as long as possible, Hum
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: for as long as possible is. Let your shoulders relax,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: let your arms relax, let your face relax, let everything relax,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: and as that airs leave.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: Your body, just picture your body like an inflatable toy deflating,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: and just stay where you are.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Let the chair take your weight. Just sit in your chair.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Let the muscles touching the chair relax. Let yourself feel
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: supported by the chair. The chair was built to hold you,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: It will hold you. Let yourself feel supported. So often
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: in our tension, we don't allow ourselves to feel supported.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: It's like our own tension is our own way of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: giving ourselves a hug and making ourselves feel supported, But
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work like that. Only when we let go
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and let ourselves feel held, feel supported, that we get
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: that support and so allow that energy just to circulate.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: You've given it permission to nourish every cell in your body,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: every selling your mind, your unconscious mind. And then when
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: you're ready, Chris, because I feel like you're ready for this,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: we're going to do two more of those and just
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: let it happen. This is there's no force in this.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: This is just you going through that process, taking your
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: time and letting yourself go deeper into it, letting yourself
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: get higher into it. So that was just one. We're
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: going to do that two more times. Cool cool, Okay,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: So blow it out, shake it out, blow it out,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: shake it out, blow it out, shake it out. Have
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: your power buttons ready, have your power buttons ready. And
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: when you're all the way out, out, out, out out,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: double your speedy, your inhu looking up up up up
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: up up up up in in now hold it and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: just wriggle it down, wriggle it down, wriggle it down
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: to the middle, wriggle it down, wriggle it down, hands
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: on your belly, hands on your belly, and then sort
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: of hunch forward, put your head towards your knees, head
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: towards your knees, and then just hum for as long
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: as you can. Let vibration go through your sinuses, go
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: through your system, feel like your body is a deflating toy,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: and alloy yourself to feel the depth of the experience.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: This is a gift. We just need to receive it.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: You're doing so good, and then your body will do
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: it for you. But when you're ready, start with the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: exhal a little bit of tension on the inhal so
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: you can really snort it down and then feel into
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: the last breath. This is your third one. Good good
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: good good good good good Up up up, up, up,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Hold itrigle, wriggle, wriggle it down to the middle, wriggle
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: it down low. Push it into your belly button. Feel
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: like you're pushing it lower than it's been Beforehands on
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: your belly, hands on your belly, push it down low,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Let your head go forward, let your head fall forward,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: and then when you're compressing that air, let it out
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: with that mmmmm. Yeah, this is a good one, and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: just let the chair hold you. Feel supported by the chair.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: It was built to hold you, it will hold you.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Let the muscles touching the chair relax and feel how
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: wonderful it is to feel supported, to feel held. This
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: is the wonderful connection to our own divine nature. And
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  Speaker 2: if all we had to do was take three breaths
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  Speaker 2: to reconnect back to the divine how often would we
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: be focusing on our breath? And don't rush this. Experience
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  Speaker 2: what you're feeling right now, Chris. A lot of people
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: have traveled continents to find taken all sorts of substances
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: to have what you have right now. And acknowledge yourself
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  Speaker 2: for letting this in. This could well be your first
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  Speaker 2: proper breath in fifty plus years, So acknowledge yourself for
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: taking this new thing on and anyone listening, I invite
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  Speaker 2: you to give it a name that you can own me.
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  Speaker 2: I call it the breath of Peace and possibility. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to call it something that you want to
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: call it so you can own it and use it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: yourself whenever you need it. And if you are watching
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: this on video, you'll see that Chris has embodied the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: practice of breathwork. Really well well done, buddy, Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll call it on this channel we'll call
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: it the Legends breath. Yes, I'm just marveling at the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: You know, when I talk to my audience about meditation,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm describing. And it's added a string to
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  Speaker 1: my bow because I always talk about meditation and prayer,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and of course there's a third part to that, which
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  Speaker 1: is you've open my eyes. Is the breathing. Of course
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: the inspiration. So yes, that's a lovely triumvirate. And it's
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: it's self care, tim isn't it. It's completely self care.
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  Speaker 2: It costs you nothing.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can take everything out the office and sit
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: in your car five minutes, ten minutes, boom. It's like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: in the video games when you go and recharge your
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: power pack or whatever the kids do these days. Absolutely amazing.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I'm still just really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't rush it, just let it, let it
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: work through your system. There's so many levels that you've
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: just been accessed right now, and for anyone listening, I
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: really encourage you to get this as a muscle memory.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Practice it when you don't feel like you need it,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: So when you really need it, like if something's bothering you, boom,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: You've you've got your your whatever you want to call it,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: You've got your piece, You've got your possibility when you
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: need it. So when I'm walking down the street, I've
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: always got my power buttons ready, because what I'd do
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: in the past was something would upset me, I'd just
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: wear it and then I wouldn't know that I needed
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: a drink more that night. So this is what I'm
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: saying here, Chris. This is the zone of sovereignty, as
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I call it. This keeps you in the zone that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: you want to be and you know the emotional range,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: your piece, your power, and this to me is how
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: we can we can really love those around us.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: And alternative well, I mean it's the only alternative to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, isn't it. Maybe people take drugs and
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: alcol to feel this feeling and it's there for you.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: And the irony is, if you keep up the drugs
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: and the alcohol, you're not going to be able to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: experience this to its full extent because you're you're masking.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: You know, you're putting a blocker, a blocker between you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: and spirit and spirit. Is you so kind of blocking
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: yourself from yourself? That's amazing, Tim, this has been a
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: phenomenal chat. I'm going to take myself off for a swim.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Now and feel fantastic.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: You feel really great about life. Thank you so much,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: and let's just run through. I've got your links up here,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: so we've got breath work in Bed. Is your Instagram? Yep,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: there's a link below. Friends, I always try and follow
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: the instagrams and we go that like actually add to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: my life and make me feel good about me. I
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: don't follow Instagram because I want to feel good about
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: how someone you know for the wrong reasons, is what
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's my tip for the top. Folks,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: there's breath.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: I'd love to you go sorry, I'll cut you off.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: No, I just say there's your breath Working bed Facebook.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Folks must be so much nicer doing this stuff in
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Brisbane than it is in ray and rainy southwest of England.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: There's your TikTok. You can get hold of Tim on LinkedIn,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: folks if you want to book Tim for a seminar
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: or coaching or to explore potential avenues together. And yes,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: amazing you were going to say something mate.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I just love to gift everybody twenty eight
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: days free use of the Breathworking Bed app. So you know,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: imagine if you just had something falling out of your
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: phone just before sleep, and then when you're waking up,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: breath work. That's what that's what the breath, that's what
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: my product that I'm wanting to give people for twenty
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: eight days. You tell it. When you want to sleep,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: it'll guide you turn your bed into a cloud. But
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: then when you get up in the morning, breath work
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: to turn into a trampoline, and your day occurs really
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: differently when you start your day connected to your breath,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: connected to your power, connected to your spirit. Well, let's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: just I'll give you those links as well.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you sent them to me in your email response,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: so I'll put them below the video.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: What I want to ask beginning of the day is important.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: As a content creator, you're always tied to where is it?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Huh? He says.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: He says, he's tied to his phone and my phone's
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: not here. Look at that? How wonderful am I focus?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: What a massive legend? No, it's on charge in the
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: other room. But what I just want to explore, and
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will get help from this.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I would like nothing better than to start my day
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: with my usual routine, get up, make the bed, open
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: a curtain, say thank you to the universe for having
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: me here. And then you get out and you know,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: I smash my gym, or I go for a run
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: or swim, and then a sauna. I do make sure
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: to do some breath work. If I haven't run, which
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: kind of is like my breath work, I make sure
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: to actually do some breathing. And it's a great way
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: and it sets you up. And I'm probably listened to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: sometimes a spiritual podcast in the or something about a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: scriptural decode in the sauna. Good good, good stuff. What
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: happens is sometimes I get caught up if I check
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: my phone, which is kind of hard. When you're content provider.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: You want to check that your content's hitting home and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: it's getting you to that target that you probably made
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: five years ago that you still haven't bloody reached or whatever.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: It might be a very powerful attraction there, you know,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: like a tractor beam sort of thing. And or I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: do this wonderful morning routine and then I sit down
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: on this thing and I go to check something on
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the internet. The next thing I know, like my time's on.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I've spent an hour and a half because that led
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: me to this. I wouldn't say none of it's relevant
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: because I talk about stuff on my channel TIN. But
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: what I am saying is it's I know there's a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: cutoff point when that has to stop and I actually
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: have to do some work because I got a lot
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: of work to do. I got my audio books. I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: need to get them done. It's been I've been procrastinated
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: about five years now, probably eight seven years, if I
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: was honest, and what how do you manage that? As
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: somebody that clearly puts out content and puts out programs?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: How do you manage the whole internet, social media? Scrolling
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: on the phone thing?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: So it's a very wise idea to connect to yourself
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: first and not throw your energy away to the universe
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: first thing in the morning, because the second you look
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: at that phone, you're giving your connecting to something outside
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: of yourself, not to this moment. Okay, It's very similar
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: to when you know the matrix, when they put that
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: cord in the back of the head and they disappear
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: into the matrix. It's basically you disconnect your body from
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: your eyes. You're just feeding this dope meat into your eyes. Now,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: I say that ironically, because one thing that I noticed
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: that is if I have a preset breath work track
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: that I can listen to in the mornings that I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: just go tap on my phone and then I can
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: connect into my breath before my feet have hit the floor.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: That is super powerful. So I try and use technology
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: to connect me into the highest tech part of me,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: which is my lungs. So anyone who wants to take
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: me up on that twenty eight day free trial, you'll
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: get a notification in the morning that you can tap
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: while you're still in bed. You'll reconnect to your breath
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: and there's a few bonus things in there that I'll
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: let you discover. But if you can win the first
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: five minutes of the day, you've won the day. And
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: if I was to give someone a supercharge habit to have,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: try and be in a position where eyes can see
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: the sun rising without any glass between you and the
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: first frequency of light, Because when that first frequency of
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: light comes over the horizon, it goes into the part
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: of our brain I think it's called the super charismatic nucleus,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: and that gets all your circadian rhythms in sync. It
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: reduces the tiredness and sleep chemicals in your system and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: it sets up this cascade of reactions automatically. I believe
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: we're light receptive creatures. So when if you can see
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: that first light through your eyeballs, take some deep breaths
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: when that happens, get some sun on your actual skin.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: That is one of the most powerful habits, and it's free.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I'm quite well known. The only way I can see
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: the sun rises on my roof. So every morning, and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: in Australia right now, the sun's getting up at four
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: thirty am. Every morning, I'm up there getting those first
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: rays of light, doing my breath work and getting that
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: sun on my skin.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful in Australia in the mornings. I know
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: it gets quite hot in the afternoon, but that first
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: part of the day it just makes you want to
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: grab your board and run down to the beach or something,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: you know, go for a go for a padle or whatever.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: It might be amazing. Yes, okay, so we're all going
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: to bear that in mind. Don't reach for the phone.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Connect to yourself first, connect to your divinity, do some breathing,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: and yes, there we go. The answers are all there,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: aren't they. They're all there now, and no one's going
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: to do it for you.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: It's up to us. If we expect someone else to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: do it for us, it only costs us money and
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: we give up our power. So you know, I still
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: listen to my breath work tracks. I still hit that
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: notification and as much as I sometimes because I live
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: with chronic pain. I was in the army carrying you
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: call them Bergen's for probably too long and I got
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: off all my and I'm hesitant to say this, but
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: breath work is also anti inflammatory and it drops pain
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: scales as well, so presence of oxygen, absence of disease.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Even if you're a type of person to get to
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: sleep well, it's a good idea to put to alcoholize
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: your system before it does its deep clean at nighttime.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, highly recommend breath work going to sleep and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: waking up and the rest of your day will kind
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: of take care of itself.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Brilliant advice, Tim, Thank you so friends. Just before we
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: say goodbye to Tim, can I give a shout out
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: please to our upcoming Arctic Legends expedition. I myself and
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: my team of former Rule Marines commandos. They are Roger
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: and John who some of you will have met now
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: because you're coming with us. We're going to head up
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: to the Arctic Circle the first week of March. There
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: we go. Tim's got the globe and Laurel there. That's
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: the cap badge of the Rual Marines folks, or the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: crest for those uninitiated. We're going to go up to
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the Arctic Circle. We're going to teach you skiing and survival,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: and then we're going to have a few days skiing
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: from cabin to cabin in the wilderness, living by candle
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: or head torch light, stacking up the fire and watching
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: the northern lights, which is absolutely worth going on this
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: trip in itself. If you fancy that, please to send
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: me a send me an email, or send me a message.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: This year it's boys. Next year we're going to do
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: unisex girls, et cetera, et cetera. So send me a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: message anyway and I'll put your name down on the list.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: It's the same price, folks, as a cheap skiing holiday.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Let me put it that way. You know, we're out
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: just to give you the best experience ever. Bit of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: mail bonding. Let's get over our traumas. Let's remember what
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: life's about let's get in the nature, un let's uh,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, let's celebrate friendship. So that's that you heard
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: me mention my my every summit in May. There we go.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: If you can spare me a five of folks to
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: help me shiner light for struggling veterans just like I was,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: just like Tim was, and make that all important link
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: that nobody is making between the adverse childhood experiences and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: adult mental health, or in the veterans community case, the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: sad situation we had with military suicide. We've got to
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: start talking about this, folks. You know, I've got to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: start tracking back what's behind this trauma. So there we go.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: There's a link below. Spung us a fiver. If you
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: can bung us more, you'll be a legend for life. Tim,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: stay on the line so I can thank you properly.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to play us out with a few
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: bits and pieces, but thank you for what you've done
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: for my life in the minimum. Secondly, thank you for
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: what you've done doing for everybody out there. And a
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: final thank you for coming on the show. We're definitely
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: going to definitely going to get you back on because
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: I think this is an area that we all need
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: to chase or we need to uncover. I should say, friends,
• 1:24:02
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• 1:24:31
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• 1:24:33
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