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  Speaker 1: I want to start by asking Dan Beyer a quick
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  Speaker 1: question here. He's a big Seahawks fan. Dan, what were
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts? Kenneth Walker, one Super Bowl MVP for the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: You love the Seahawks. And then Kenneth Walker, well, the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks decided to part ways with Kenneth Walker, and the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs decided to pick him up. What were your feelings
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  Speaker 1: when you lost the Super Bowl MVP, Dan?
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  Speaker 3: I was cool with it because I wasn't sure on
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  Speaker 3: what Kenneth Walker, Kansas city would be getting at that time.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed like Kenneth Walker really increased his free agent
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  Speaker 3: value with the run. When Zach Charbonnet went down with
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  Speaker 3: the injury, but he was splitting time with Charbonnet throughout
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  Speaker 3: the past last season. So honestly, Stu, when he had
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  Speaker 3: that great run in the playoffs, it was like, good
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  Speaker 3: on you. Thanks for helping us win a super bowl
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  Speaker 3: and best of luck, wherever you land in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: And what have your feelings been thus far as you've
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  Speaker 1: watched Kenneth Walker essentially be the MVP of the NFL
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  Speaker 1: through four or five weeks here?
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  Speaker 3: How was Kenneth Walker splitting reps with Zach Charbonnet all
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  Speaker 3: of last season?
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  Speaker 4: What is going on here?
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  Speaker 5: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: And there's even to make it worse. And again, you
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  Speaker 3: can fall back. You and Taylor talk about this. Taylor
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  Speaker 3: can always fall back. Well, the Knicks won, so no
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  Speaker 3: matter what they did, it ended up working out for them.
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  Speaker 3: But they also gave Rashid Shaheed a contract that pays
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  Speaker 3: him about $ 17 million a year. Kenneth Walker's making less,
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  Speaker 3: and now you see what Kenneth Walker's doing to the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 3: and you can kind of scratch your head and say, huh?
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  Speaker 3: But at the time, I was cool with it.
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  Speaker 1: So the reason– and you should have been cool with
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  Speaker 1: it because you have to prioritize. There's only so much
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  Speaker 1: money you could fit under the NFL salary cap. And, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: the reason I'm confused is– If Kenneth Walker is indeed
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  Speaker 1: the MVP, and you can make that argument through four weeks,
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  Speaker 1: he has been as valuable to his team as any
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  Speaker 1: player in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: But the Seahawks are 3-1 without him.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just, I'm not certain what to do
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  Speaker 1: in terms of defining the value of having Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 1: on your team.
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  Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: That makes total sense.
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  Speaker 3: And coming off of a game yesterday where Emmanuel Wilson
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  Speaker 3: ran really well against the Chargers, ended up having 80
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  Speaker 3: yards on the ground, a touchdown, also had a receiving touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: Emmanuel Wilson is supposed to be the backup to Jadarian Price,
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  Speaker 3: the rookie who's hurt.
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  Speaker 4: And Zach Charbonnet hasn't even played yet.
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  Speaker 3: So you're talking about what would essentially be the third
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  Speaker 3: most important running back this season ends up scoring two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: And when you're paying him, you know, minimal amount of dollars,
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  Speaker 3: it makes it that much easier to see Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 3: do what he did.
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  Speaker 4: And what he's been doing.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, but do you think he'd be doing this on
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  Speaker 5: the Seahawks?
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  Speaker 3: Probably not, because he'd be spinning snaps with Emmanuel Wilson
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  Speaker 3: or George Helani or Jadarian Price at that point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And there's an injury history there, and I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to jinx anybody with that, but there was some questions
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  Speaker 3: about his durability. I don't think that his explosiveness and
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  Speaker 3: his big play potential was ever in question, which had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of Seahawks fans last year wondering why. why
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  Speaker 3: there was this split between the two. It was just
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  Speaker 3: a matter of can you keep Kenneth Walker healthy throughout
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  Speaker 3: the entire season? It ended up working out magnificently for them.
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  Speaker 3: The Charbonnet injury happened at a time where you could
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  Speaker 3: then solely rely on Walker, and he is the Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl MVP.
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  Speaker 5: But we're four.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks in here, and I think John Schneider would tell
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  Speaker 3: you it was more about paying a running back that
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  Speaker 3: amount of money with questions about his durability.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm so torn, because the Chiefs have won, what,
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  Speaker 1: four Super Bowls without a guy like Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: And now everyone's talking about him as the NFL MVP,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying they're wrong. But it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: define a guy or call a guy an MVP when
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  Speaker 1: the team that he left is still successful and still
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  Speaker 1: playing at a very high level. I'm just I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to do with the player. And I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 1: as a Seahawks fan, are you upset perhaps because maybe
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  Speaker 1: they use Kenneth Walker the correct way?
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  Speaker 5: Because the Chiefs are. I mean, they are. And I
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  Speaker 5: understand the injury history. I get all of it.
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  Speaker 1: But as a Seahawks fan, you have to be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit perplexed. Hey, why didn't we use Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 1: the way Andy Reid is using Kenneth Walker?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's natural. And I think that there
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  Speaker 3: are fans that are wondering why did that end up happening. Especially, too,
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  Speaker 3: because they didn't run the ball great against Washington in
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  Speaker 3: Week 3, which ends up kind of being their— it is
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  Speaker 3: their lone blemish on the schedule. But again, the fact is, Stu—
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Kenneth Walker ends up emerging the way that he
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  Speaker 3: did because of all that was at stake for the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: He made himself a lot of money during that playoff
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  Speaker 3: run and in that Super Bowl. And I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that when they parted ways, you knew he probably wasn't
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  Speaker 3: going to come back. There were certain guys you knew
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  Speaker 3: on the team last year that weren't going to come back.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll just go back to the Taylor-Nicks thing. They
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  Speaker 3: won the title. You've said this to Taylor many times.
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  Speaker 3: No matter what they did, whether it was a right
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  Speaker 3: or wrong decision, it was a decision that led them
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  Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: And for that, I can't be mad at.
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  Speaker 1: Now it seems like he's determined to make Seattle eat
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  Speaker 1: it and win a Super Bowl for Kansas City.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Dan.
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  Speaker 3: Again, Emmanuel Wilson, who was the backup in Green Bay
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  Speaker 3: to be the backup in Seattle, comes in.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 3: And has a great game against the Chargers. Now, if
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  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker can make Sam Darnold not throw dumb interceptions,
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  Speaker 3: that's a whole other story.
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  Speaker 4: That's a completely different situation.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe it was Kenneth Walker's emergence that made Darnold
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  Speaker 3: not turn the football over or throwing it directly to
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  Speaker 3: opponents for the second straight week. Maybe that was the
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  Speaker 3: reason why. But, man, it's great to see what he's doing,
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  Speaker 3: but I can't take back from what happened last year
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  Speaker 3: because they.
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  Speaker 1: Won it all. 877-99 on Fox. I'll get to your
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  Speaker 1: calls here.
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  Speaker 5: Just a second.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched the Raiders Chiefs game yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: but the announcers were telling a story of how Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes was sitting on one of those injury tables. He's
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  Speaker 1: being worked on. He's being stretched out and he's watching
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  Speaker 1: television and he's studying running backs. And there pops up
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker on his screen. And he calls all the coaches,
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  Speaker 1: and he really popped out of the television for Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, wow, that guy's really talented.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to have him as the Chiefs running back,
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  Speaker 1: but there's no way Seattle is going to part with him.
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  Speaker 1: He then picked up the phone, called the coaches, and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if Kenneth Walker becomes available, go get that guy.
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  Speaker 5: We need him. He'll be great for us.
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  Speaker 1: So I am just wondering, and I do believe— that
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  Speaker 1: you wish harm upon Kenneth Walker this year but I
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  Speaker 1: am wondering when you hear Mahomes when you hear that
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  Speaker 1: story being told and Mahomes is identifying just how talented
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  Speaker 1: this player is doesn't it make you question John Schneider
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Who's Patrick Mahomes he hasn't won a Super Bowl in
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  Speaker 3: two years seriously who does he think he is.
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  Speaker 5: You're right. He's a guy who's about to get to re-kill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been at least over two years since they've
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  Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl, so I don't know why Patrick
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes thinks he can talk or he's this great big
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  Speaker 3: scout now.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: Walker was off free agency. We have that little window
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  Speaker 3: of free agency where it's not free agency, but it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's underway.
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  Speaker 3: And Kenneth Walker was in a Kansas City Chiefs uniform,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, five minutes after that.
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  Speaker 4: That timeline started in.
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  Speaker 5: That sort of, you know, sprint sprinted there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was like a foregone conclusion that he was
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  Speaker 3: going there. It happened, happened pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: The Raiders and chiefs. I, the Raiders for me had
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  Speaker 1: the best loss of the weekend. No losses are good,
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  Speaker 1: but if there's a good loss, that was it against
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  Speaker 1: the chiefs. They were in that game till the very end.
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  Speaker 1: And if there was a bad win, it was the
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers.
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  Speaker 5: You agree?
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  Speaker 4: Gosh.
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  Speaker 5: What a terrible win. He should be fired after that win, LeFleur.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a hit piece because I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it is true from Ty Dunn the day before
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  Speaker 3: and how LeFleur and then people are all getting in
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  Speaker 3: line to give their Matt LeFleur stories.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When you almost lose to Jalen Daniels.
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  Speaker 3: In his debut, and he turns the football over twice,
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  Speaker 3: and you still, and Green Bay, like, Green Bay has
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  Speaker 3: got a little something with Jordan Love and Christian Watson
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  Speaker 3: and Matthew Golden. Like, that trio could be very good
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  Speaker 3: in a few years. You just need to keep Jordan
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  Speaker 3: Love upright, and you need to get Matt LaFleur out
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  Speaker 3: of town. Yeah, just an absolutely awful win. It really,
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  Speaker 3: it was for, and now the Packers and the Bears
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  Speaker 3: come into town.
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  Speaker 1: The Vikings are the worst 4-0 team in NFL history.
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  Speaker 1: The Broncos are the best 2-2 team in NFL history.
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  Speaker 5: And that concludes my.
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  Speaker 1: NFL discussion for today. Let's take a quick call here.
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  Speaker 1: He's always there. Let's go to Al in Albuquerque. He
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  Speaker 1: wants to talk.
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  Speaker 5: About the worst 4-0 team in NFL history. Go ahead, Al.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, Stu Goss, 22nd time, long time here.
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  Speaker 8: And, you know, the Vikings are one of those, as
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  Speaker 8: a Jets fan, you could probably relate. They're one of
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  Speaker 8: the few franchises in sports where you can name their
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  Speaker 8: top five losses right off the top of your head,
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  Speaker 8: even if you're not a Vikings fan. And that's if
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  Speaker 8: you ignore, even if you ignore all four Super Bowl losses.
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  Speaker 8: So that's what we're dealing with here.
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  Speaker 7: So I am qualified to say this is the worst
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  Speaker 7: 4-0 the Vikings have ever been in their history ever.
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  Speaker 7: I don't like Tyler Murray. We need to stop treating
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  Speaker 7: Tyler Murray. Like he's actually good.
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  Speaker 6: He could run around.
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  Speaker 7: He could be like a joystick highlight, real guy. That's fine.
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  Speaker 7: But let me ask you this too. If, if they
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  Speaker 7: redrafted the 2024 draft, would JJ McCarthy even go in
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  Speaker 7: the fifth round? That's the pick they got for him.
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  Speaker 7: Would he be a fifth round pick in that draft?
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  Speaker 4: Because I don't think he would.
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  Speaker 7: I think he is the worst since Christian Ponder, the
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  Speaker 7: worst first overall pick any team has had. Just the
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  Speaker 7: worst reach ever. Why am I so mad the Vikings
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  Speaker 7: are 4-0?
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  Speaker 3: How about TJ Hawkinson going down at the one just
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  Speaker 3: to run out the clock only for the next day,
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  Speaker 3: all of social media to put a Vikings highlight film.
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  Speaker 4: And it's all field goals.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you have the touchdown and you win 22
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  Speaker 3: to 10, you don't have that sort of content, but
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  Speaker 3: because TJ Hawkinson was a team player and made the
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  Speaker 3: smart play, it gave every Vikings hater fodder to just
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  Speaker 3: put together a montage of field goal after field goal
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  Speaker 3: yesterday against the dolphins.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for the call out.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, I actually have the 2024 draft pulled up on
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  Speaker 1: my computer here.
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  Speaker 5: Caleb would still be number one.
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  Speaker 6: Fair.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: This is knowing what we know now. OK, because Al
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  Speaker 1: asked a very interesting question.
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  Speaker 5: Would J.J.
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy go anywhere in the first five rounds knowing what
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  Speaker 1: we know now? And I think the answer is no,
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  Speaker 1: he would not knowing what we know now. But how
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  Speaker 1: about Jaden Daniels? Would he still go number two or
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  Speaker 1: would Drake May, who won three, would he go number two?
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  Speaker 3: I think May would go number two because now you
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  Speaker 3: have an injury history with Jaden Daniels.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That you wouldn't have with Drake May.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Dan, knowing what we know now, I believe Bo
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  Speaker 1: Nix would be the second pick in the 2024 draft.
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  Speaker 5: Don't be ridiculous, Stu. Come on. Well, how am I
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  Speaker 5: being ridiculous? Because Marvin Harrison Jr., I don't believe he'd
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  Speaker 5: be a first-round pick, knowing what we know now.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: He went fourth in that draft. Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Why, you feel like I'm being ridiculous by saying Bo
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  Speaker 1: Nix would go ahead of both Jaden Daniels and Drake May?
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  Speaker 5: If we knew what we knew today, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Broncos offense right now is something. And that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's good. They don't have a running game.
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  Speaker 3: They paid all that money for Jalen Waddell, and he's
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  Speaker 3: pretty much useless right now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, had a touchdown yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they lost by 10. They scored 14 points.
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  Speaker 5: No, I know, but look at that schedule, though, for
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I'm saying they're the best 2-2 team ever,
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  Speaker 1: they lost at Kansas City.
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  Speaker 5: They got blown out.
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  Speaker 1: They beat Jacksonville. Many people consider Jacksonville to be the
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  Speaker 1: best team in the NFL, perhaps.
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  Speaker 5: They beat the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: The Rams were the best team in the NFL headed
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  Speaker 1: into the season, and they lost to the Niners on
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  Speaker 1: the road by 10 points.
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  Speaker 5: They're a good team, Dan. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're a good team, but there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: why there's rumblings with Davis Webb and the play calling
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  Speaker 3: and Sean Payton. I mean, the QB rating of Bo Nix,
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, over these last four games, I almost called
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  Speaker 3: him Drew Brees, that it hasn't been stellar. So I
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  Speaker 3: still think the jury's out with Bo Nix. I would
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  Speaker 3: rather have Jane Daniels than Bo Nix. I will say that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but he gets hurt a lot. I understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd probably go, I'd probably, well, I'd take Caleb one.
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  Speaker 1: I would take Bo Nix two. I would go Jade
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  Speaker 1: in three.
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  Speaker 5: And then Drake May. At four. Did you find it funny?
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, who last week I called a clown playing
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  Speaker 1: quarterback in a circus tent. He seemed to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone in New England, they went from hating Drake May.
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  Speaker 1: It's Rabel's fault. And if it wasn't Rabel's fault, it
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  Speaker 1: was Diana Rossini's fault.
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  Speaker 5: And then and then.
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  Speaker 1: But now they're back with Drake May and they love
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  Speaker 1: Rabel again. I love sports fans.
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  Speaker 5: I do. I love sports fans so much, except for
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  Speaker 5: the ones. who live in the city of Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company
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  Speaker 2: live weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m. Pacific on
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  Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Ditka passes away today at the age of 86.
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  Speaker 1: We have some sound here. Taylor, you have sound of
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  Speaker 1: Mike Ditka's that before we get to Mikey A's top
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  Speaker 1: five games.
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  Speaker 5: Of the weekend coming up here. Mike Ditka passed.
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  Speaker 6: Away, 86.
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  Speaker 1: He is just one of those figures in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: That is larger than life.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not certain many people, especially the younger portion
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  Speaker 1: of the audience, really knows about Mike Ditka and what
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  Speaker 1: Mike Ditka.
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  Speaker 5: Was all about. You have sound that would lend to
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  Speaker 5: what Mike Ditka was all about, right?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we have two sounds that kind of encapsulate who
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  Speaker 9: Mike Ditka was as a person. And, Stu, you mentioned
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  Speaker 9: the younger generation not really knowing much about Mike Ditka
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  Speaker 9: in terms of the football player or the football coach.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 9: Revolutionary for that tight end position where a tight end
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  Speaker 9: putting up a thousand yards receiving in a 14 game
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  Speaker 9: season in 1961.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Would be like the equivalent of a receiver putting up
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  Speaker 9: like 3000 yards today in a single season.
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  Speaker 1: A great player, great coach, only guy in NFL history
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  Speaker 1: to win a Superbowl as a head coach, a player
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  Speaker 1: and an assistant coach.
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  Speaker 5: How about that?
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  Speaker 9: And he he's a coach that looks like, like if
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  Speaker 9: you were making a list of, Coaches that look like
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  Speaker 9: they can't wait to punch you square.
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  Speaker 5: Between the nose.
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  Speaker 9: It's Mike Ditka's list.
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  Speaker 5: It's him and Marty Schottenheimer. Wow. Woody Hayes? Well, Woody
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: Hayes did it. Buddy Ryan, too.
• 15:09
  Speaker 9: Looks like he couldn't wait.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: Well, Buddy Ryan got in a fight with Mike Ditka.
• 15:13
  Speaker 9: Can I throw out a surprise name I think that
• 15:16
  Speaker 9: would fit in this list of coaches that look like
• 15:17
  Speaker 9: they can't wait to punch you square between the nose?
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: So these are coaches who can't wait to punch you
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: Face, right?
• 15:24
  Speaker 9: Square between the nose, yeah.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: All right. Yeah, go ahead.
• 15:27
  Speaker 9: Bo Pelini.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: It's a good one.
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: Yes. It isn't bad. Yes. Does Vrabel, does Vrabel want
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: to punch you right in the face? He's got a
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: little bit of a sourpuss on him.
• 15:38
  Speaker 9: Like a snarl, yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he does have a snarl. I'm trying to think.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Does Mike Singletary look like someone who wants to punch
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: a square in the face?
• 15:44
  Speaker 9: That's a good one.
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: Who do you want to punch in the face? Mike
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: McDaniel for me. Mike McDaniel. Yeah.
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: Or like the kicker that comes in and misses a
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: big kick. Like Mike Ditka would have punched that kicker
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: between the nose.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: He had a great kicker. Kevin Butler never missed a kick.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: That team was one of the all-time great teams in
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: NFL history. He was the head coach of perhaps. They
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: didn't go undefeated. They lost to the Dolphins on a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Monday night. Dan Marino had a great game offensively. But
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that is one of the five greatest teams, I could
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: say that safely, in NFL history. And I think many
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: people would say that the 85 Bears, with Mike Ditka
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: as their head coach, was the greatest team in NFL history.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: Israel Gutierrez is in studio with us. His weekends are
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: getting a lot shorter. 877-99 on Fox. Gary Sheffield.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: He's going to join us in about 15 minutes. John
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Starks is going to join us in hour number two.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: I'm excited for that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Izzy, I'm nervous here, though, because I'm tempted to play
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: one of Taylor's Jalen Brunson songs for John Starks. But
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: John Starks, he seems like a serious guy. I feel
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: like we'll be wasting Starks' time with a Brunson song.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not certain what to do here.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 17:02
  Speaker 10: First of all, you're right.
• 17:03
  Speaker 11: I do think he seems like a serious dude, right?
• 17:05
  Speaker 11: Wasn't he the guy that was like, isn't he a
• 17:07
  Speaker 11: kurt werner story like bagging groceries one month and then
• 17:10
  Speaker 11: all of a sudden he's on the knicks a year
• 17:11
  Speaker 11: later playing in a game seven right but i don't
• 17:15
  Speaker 11: think he's that serious anymore especially now that the knicks
• 17:19
  Speaker 11: have won it like i don't even know what we're
• 17:20
  Speaker 11: talking to him about but i can't imagine it's anything
• 17:22
  Speaker 11: very serious it's got to be just hey how are
• 17:24
  Speaker 11: these how are you feeling about the knicks still yeah
• 17:27
  Speaker 11: but i think he can take a.
• 17:27
  Speaker 9: Good easy i'm sweating already at the thought of john
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: stark's having to sit through one of my songs you
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: should I don't want anything really to do with that experience.
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: If you ask Taylor in 2004, a fourth grade Taylor.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: Name two people you want on the show. Derek Jeter
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: would be number one. But let's say Derek Jeter was
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: unavailable that day.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 10: What show is fourth grade Taylor discussing here?
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: This show.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: This hypothetical show.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: He already knows. He's saying he's producing.
• 17:53
  Speaker 9: We're going back in time.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Okay. So back in 2004, how old were you? fourth
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: grade okay fourth grade all right you said that it's.
• 17:59
  Speaker 9: Just easier for me because whatever the year was that's
• 18:02
  Speaker 9: what grade i was in got it okay so if
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: you go back to fourth grade taylor and say name
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: two people you want on the show assuming derrick cheater
• 18:09
  Speaker 9: is unavailable i might tell you gary sheffield and john
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: starks over patrick ewing oh yeah starks was like oh
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: easy you have to consider the fact that i'm like
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: five foot nine yes like i i can't really relate
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: with patrick ewing being a a Big man.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: If we asked today's Taylor, the two guests he would
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: most want on the show, who would they be?
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: Oh, it's still Derek Jeter and Cam Schluter probably and
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: Jalen Brunson.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: No, it would be Brunson. It has to be Brunson, right?
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: It's still Derek Jeter.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: It's always Derek Jeter. Hang on a second.
• 18:36
  Speaker 11: You've seen Derek Jeter on all of these talk shows.
• 18:39
  Speaker 11: You've seen him be terrible at basically talking, and you
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: still want him to be your guest.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I really don't care. I just kind of want
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: to be in the presence of Derek Jeter.
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: You just want to stare at him as all it is.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Right. Trusting me to get the most out of Derek Jeter.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Stu would be like, Taylor, ask a question. I go,
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: I don't have any.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I just want to stare at Jeter, the captain. Jeets.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Remember that championship? Oh, that was great.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: So Taylor's dream show in 2004 is happening today. Gary
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Sheffield at about 10 minutes and John Starks in our
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: number two. Izzy gives me, I'm just going to be
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: honest with the audience, a list of topics of things
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: he would like to discuss. And he does it in
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a way because he knows I'm not following all of this.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not following the NBA now. And he is
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: always following the NBA.
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: You're too busy following the WNBA?
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, the playoffs. And hockey. Hockey has started. Panthers, big
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: win last night. Kachuk with a big goal. First lead
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: of the season for the Panthers. Which Kachuk? I'm gambling again.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: But what is going on here with Joel Embiid? I'm
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: tired of him. LeBron James, I'm tired of him. Mike Breen,
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: never tired of him. So there was a preseason.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: Game on the other night and Mike Breen, who he's
• 19:54
  Speaker 11: not a reporter, obviously.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: But he is somebody who even when he goes on
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: air with something, it's.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Got to be like rock solid.
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he's He is not going on air because he
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: heard something third hand that might have happened.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: He has earned maximum credibility. Yeah. If he's bringing something
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: to air, it's true. I think.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: It's not like, you know, he's got unserious now that
• 20:16
  Speaker 11: the Knicks have won a championship since he's been calling it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So although Breen is wacky, I mean, keep in mind,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he did updates for I miss. He's got a sneaky,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: good sense of humor.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: He does. Mike Breen.
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: I would not associate wacky with Mike Breen. I'm going
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: to have to hear that for myself. You know him better,
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: so that's fair.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: But he said that there was a.
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: Practice recently and Joel Embiid was a little late because
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: the other guys were already on the floor and that
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: LeBron James let him have it. And then LeBron James said,
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: I think via social media, that that was a lie,
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: that he wasn't late.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Stop lying.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: This is a credibility off, I think, between Joel Embiid,
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: LeBron James, and Mike Breen.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: I think in terms of telling the truth... Mike Breen
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: versus LeBron James is a mismatch because LeBron lies.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: All the time.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I would say it's the greatest mismatch in sports.
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Izzy, I think LeBron's on his, like, what, 40th
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: rewatch of The Godfather?
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, seriously.
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: Still can't pick a favorite scene. And, yeah, he knew
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: that Kobe's 81 was coming. He just knew it that day.
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: And then you also have the credibility off between Mike
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: Breen and Joel Embiid, or even LeBron and Joel Embiid, like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: The idea that Joel Embiid would be late to practice
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: is pretty much a ho-hum thought, right? It's not like
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: something you'd be like, no, unbelievable, that guy. Of course,
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: given what you've heard from him, given other people who
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: have questioned his professionalism, like, the idea that he's going
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: to be late to a practice is not a shocker.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I think the shocking thing would be if he showed
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: up right on time or five minutes early.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but couldn't you guys make the argument that in
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: terms of LeBron James, like, This is not really something,
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: if you're LeBron James, I don't think you want to
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: be disputing. Michael Jordan ripped into teammates. Kobe Bryant ripped
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: into teammates. And look at the way that we kind
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: of hold those guys up on pedestals being like, this
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: is the kind of teammate you want to be.
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: That's exactly my thought. When I heard that, it was like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: wait a second. Is it just that you want to
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: deny whatever it is that people say about you? Is
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: it just that you want to be liked by so
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: many people that you don't want to hear potential negative backlash?
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: Is it that it didn't happen and that somebody told
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: Mike Breen a BS story and that he got unlucky
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: in all this? But I think, again, based on the
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: history of all three of these people, I didn't even
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: think it was a big deal.
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: Like I thought LeBron would have been like. Yeah, okay, and?
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: If anybody's late, I'm going to yell at them.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: That's what I was brought here to do.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: I didn't come here. I didn't leave my family to.
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: Wait for Joel Embiid to get to practice before we
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: can start practicing.
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: Izzy, do you think any part of LeBron James and
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: why he's getting so defensive is he feels a little
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: bit of guilt that Joel Embiid was late to practice
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: and he should have let him use his helicopter?
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: From New York City? Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: Pick up Joel on the way.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: That's a great you know what? That's a great point.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: It's an unfair advantage for LeBron.
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: I mean, he's very stealthily going to be late, like
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: he's probably going to be an hour early every time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: So how is traffic?
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: What do you mean traffic?
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I do think.
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: But the part about this is just like it's odd.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: Well, how much, you know, slack do you need to
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: give Joel Embiid again? Because unless every report about people
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: questioning his professionalism over the years has been wrong, has
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: been a flat-out lie, then again, I don't think.
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: This is a big deal at all. I don't care
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: if it's LeBron James.
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: In fact, it would be strange if it was somebody
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: other than LeBron James.
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: Maybe even, I would be okay if Jalen.
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: Brown said, yeah, I yelled at him because he was
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: late and that's not how you win a championship. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: would know I've won a championship. LeBron having gotten there
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: again to, he didn't leave his family to lose in
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: the second round, right? Which is going to live with
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: him forever if he loses in the second round these
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: next two seasons.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: But, uh.
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: He didn't leave his family to lose in the second round.
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: If you're going to set these championship habits, you've got
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: to do it right from the start.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: So I'm with you, Taylor.
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: He should have been boasting that he went off on
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: Joel Embiid and then said, but we're teammates. Of course,
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: he's going to take it well.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Breen is telling a story that paints LeBron
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in the exact light that he wants to be painted in.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he was brought to Philadelphia to do.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Whatever they've tried hasn't succeeded. And so LeBron and Jalen Brown,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I guess, to a lesser extent, was brought in to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: change the culture of that organization and help Joel Embiid
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: get to practice on time.
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: I wonder, Taylor, though, if everybody would have reacted the
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: way we have, where it's just like, no, no, he
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: should be doing that. He'd be, you know, he'd be
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: championed if he'd be doing that. He'd be lauded if
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: he does that. If he changes his mind again and says, no,
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: I was just kidding.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: It was the truth. I did yell at him.
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Izzy, I wonder if there's anything there with LeBron James
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: and not wanting to be portrayed in this light, because
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: it does feel like there's been a history of people
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: just treating LeBron James teammates weird and. Again, pushing LeBron
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: and pushing the LeBron narrative, like the whole Kyrie Irving
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: thing where it was like, do you consider LeBron James
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: a father figure? And Kyrie was like, no, I have
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: a father.
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I do think at this stage, like, I don't
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: really think he cares about the whole replaying the Kyrie thing.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: I don't think that haunts.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Him, but.
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: And maybe this is just because I'm getting old. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: just think he doesn't want to be looked at as unk.
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: I don't think he wants to be looked at as
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: the old man who's just telling everybody what to do
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: now because he's so old and yada yada instead of
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: just being a player and coming in as a sort
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: of player coach type.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: It doesn't help that his son plays in the league.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, just in terms of how we view LeBron
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: James and his age.
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: Crazy graphic yesterday. Steph Curry versus Bronny James for a
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: preseason game. Like, good Lord, go back 20 years and
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: imagine that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But shouldn't we be applauding LeBron James? I mean, most fans,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: fans love this stuff, Izzy. They don't care that LeBron
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: has been there for a minute. Whatever Embiid's been doing,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: we all know his talent. He gets hurt a lot,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. But LeBron was brought there to bring
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: some structure to that team because he's the guy who
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: has done it, and he's done it four or five times,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: I can think of maybe one other player, and that's
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: John Morant, who you would, like, sort of ask around
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: and say, hey— If said leader from a team, a
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: new player from a team, went off on a player
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: because he was late, who would you be okay with
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: that player being? And it would be Joel Embiid and
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: John Morant. Because, again, everything we've read, everything we've heard
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: seems to be that this is something that is an
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: issue with him, professionalism. And if you just nip it
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: in the bud right off the top and just get
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: that story out of the way, you'll never have to
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: address it again.
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: Instead, now.
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: It seems like LeBron can never really– again, assuming this
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: is true and he is lying to protect himself because
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: I can't imagine not only Breen– telling a story that
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: wasn't true, believing a story that wasn't true, but being
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: fed a story that wasn't true. Who's that cruel to
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: feed Mike Breen some fake news?
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: I can't imagine who would do that. And if Breen
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: wasn't certain, he would get a second source.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Because that's what Mike Breen does. He's responsible.
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: But I also think even if he didn't get another one,
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: it's such, to me, a nothing story, given the history
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: of these two guys, that it was just like, Okay, yeah, finally,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: somebody's getting on Joel Embiid's you-know-what instead of a coach
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: who probably doesn't feel like he has that sort of
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: pull with Embiid. And instead, it's just he's making it
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: worse by saying, that's a lie, Mike Breen, who everybody respects.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, one of the players who has earned the right
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to walk into a new organization and say, hey, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: chose you. I came, Joel Embiid, I chose to play
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: with you. I could have done anything with the final
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: two years of my career. I chose to come to Philadelphia.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Don't you dare be late on my watch. I'm okay
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: with that, especially if, you know, he's got a time
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: where his chopper has to take off and get him
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: back to New York City.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: I do love the idea. Chopper. You know what?
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: Let's just swing by Embiid's house.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: He'll hear us coming.
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: He knows he's got to be ready.
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: We'll swoop down. Maybe we'll just send a rope down
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: because there's no place to land. And then you just
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: see Embiid just climbing.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Up that rope ladder.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You have to love Philly fans who they have enough
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to be upset about. I mean, they're just upset in
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: general about everything. But the idea that they are now
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: realizing LeBron doesn't like their city.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: You don't want to live there.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: He's taking a chopper from New York City to Philadelphia
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: back and forth every day.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: The only time he'll spend in Philly is when they
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: have home games.
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: Well, it is a good sign anyway that Joel Embiid
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: looks like he's lost weight. He looks like he's fit
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: because the other guy who was recruiting or another guy
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: who was recruiting LeBron James really hard.
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: This offseason was Draymond Green. Have you seen him lately?
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: No.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: What's going on?
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: He was wearing a black T-shirt yesterday. I think it
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: was yesterday, maybe the day before that, getting interviewed. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: not in NBA shape.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: I can take the NBA.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Out of that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Not in shape at all. Really?
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: Not in shape at all.
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: He's the type of guy that makes you know he's
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: going to be, in terms of conditioning, he'll be able
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: to run up and down.
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: He'll be okay.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: But you kind of want to give off like you're
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: trying a little harder and you don't want to give
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: off like they're calling this a gap year. You don't
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: want to be that obvious that you don't really care.
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: And it makes me wonder if Steph Curry was just like,
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: dang it, I should have left.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: That's the answer.
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: On the topic of some NBA body transformations this offseason.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Chet Holmgren?
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Yes. Yes.
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: I'm so glad you knew exactly where I was going.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, you guys are locked into the association already.
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, because when you hear the word body transformation, you
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: just think Chet Holmgren this offseason. Stu, I forget if
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: it was like a report. quarter from the thunder or
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: maybe the thunder put it out themselves right chet holmgren
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: has added two pounds this offseason 213 at.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: 215 wow feels.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: Like we could have saved a graphic there yeah we.
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: Should have let stu gots guess how much weight he's gained.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Put it on the poll taylor.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Is putting out a graphic that Chet Holmgren has gained
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: two pounds.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: A waste of a graphic. I'm with you on that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gatz and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Company live weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m. Pacific
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: The New York Yankees.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead. I mean, he is unhinged today.
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: And then, Mikey, if it couldn't go from bad to
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: worse after the Yankees get humiliated getting swept by the
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: Tampa Bay Rays.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Good team.
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: I wake up to this from Jimmy Trena. Buster Olney
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: just said on ESPN that he expects the Yankees to
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: re-sign Brian Cashman this offseason and that Cashman will then
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: bring back Aaron Boone. Enjoy your day, Yankee fans. Stu,
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: this is Groundhog Day. I feel like we are living
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: the same day over and over. And Mikey, it was
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: the Blue Jays last year. It was the Rays this year.
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: Set your clocks and next year it's probably going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: be the Baltimore Orioles turn to embarrass us on a
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: national stage.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Right. Jimmy T. That's a great report.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But I feel like anyone could have reported that with
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: 100 percent certainty without any knowledge, without any inside information,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: without a source. They could have said that Brian Cashman
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: will return next.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Season as the Yankees GM. Do you guys agree with that?
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Yes. Yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: And it makes it even worse that we might be
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: headed towards some sort of work stoppage, whether it be
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: a lockout, whether it's during into the season or not,
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: because no team is going to want to change things
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: up too much. with the uncertainty of how it is
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: which just means the yankees are not only going to
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: resign cashman they're not only going to bring back boone
• 32:07
  Speaker 13: they're probably going to resign either jazz or trent grisham
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: i'm sure they'll bring back bednar even though i think
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: they should it's this we're just we're just setting ourselves
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: up for another year of.
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: Failure my least favorite thing in this whole narrative besides
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: the fact that my team stinks and my team is
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: the joke of baseball today right You failed. Is when
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: people say, if you fire Brian Cashman or if you
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: fire Aaron Boone, somebody's going to hire them.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Good. Please.
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: Please.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Red Sox. Yes. Hopefully Boston.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: I'm begging you. Please.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Toronto.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Please.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: I'm begging you.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: The problem is that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: Because I maintain Brian Cashman has done nothing with all
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: those resources that you couldn't have picked out anybody on
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: the street wearing a Yankee hat and they wouldn't have
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: done the same thing except except better.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Except Boston's not dumb enough to hire Brian Cashman. That's
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: the problem. Sorry, guys.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I can't even get a word in. I mean, you
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: guys are so unhinged.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: And here's the other thing about.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: It.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Don't stop now. I mean, listen, you made it to
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. You say they failed. It was an F.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I understand the Yankees win the World Series
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: every single year. It's not a reality. It's not going
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to happen. You guys know that by now. Baseball is
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: such a random sport. I understand you hold your team
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to a higher standard, but you guys are sitting here
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: saying you failed. That's not a failure, making it to
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the divisional round of the book. No, a failure is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the New York Mets. That's a failure, guys.
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: Stu, you say baseball is random. Yet me and Mikey
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: told you exactly how the season would end in April.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Now, that's fair.
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: You say baseball is random. We have seen the Yankees
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: get eliminated the same way now for, what, four of
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: the past five years? Where in the biggest moments, they
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: look like a team that just forgets how to play baseball.
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: And all us Yankee fans are saying is like, hey,
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: let's address the issue. And the Yankees at the end.
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: spit in our face and look at us and say,
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: you guys don't know what you're talking about. You guys
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: are just fans. Just keep, just keep giving us your money.
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: You guys don't know any better. We're the ones in
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: charge of this. We won titles in the nineties. We
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: trust us. And it's like, shut up.
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: This is the longest playoff world series drought in New.
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: Like since the first one, since the first one.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: But like, since they won one, this is, this is
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: the longest world series drought in their history. That is
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: mind blowing. And you go back and you look at
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: some of those teams. I beg anybody.
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: Go look at the 2006 Yankees and tell me you've
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: ever seen a better lineup. Top to bottom Robinson Cano
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: hit ninth, right?
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: Hmm.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could sit here all day and watch
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the two of you just go back and forth.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: One's angrier than the other.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: Bobby Abreu.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Bobby Abreu.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: Johnny Damon. What was Andy Phillips doing on this 2016?
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Our thanks to Herm Edwards for joining us there. It
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: was nice to hear his voice, Mikey. That was nice.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed that very much. I love that man.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: I love that man. I wish he was better at coaching.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: You want him to be.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: We were so hopeful that he would be the Jets
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: head coach forever because we love Herm Edwards.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: You're right. Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it didn't go that well.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Anyway, you interested in tonight's game before we get to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: if the season ended today, because we haven't talked a lot.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: NFL football today because baseball has dominated our show and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: your guys hatred for the New York Yankees specifically Brian
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Cashman has dominated the show are you into Bucks Cowboys
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: tonight not.
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: Even a little bit I mean I I'm I'm honestly
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: considering going to sleep early because I've spent so many
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: late nights watching baseball and I I just need to
• 36:06
  Speaker 13: catch up yes I'm actually considering missing this game just
• 36:09
  Speaker 13: because if you told me Baker was playing maybe but
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: The only thing that's going to make this game relatively competitive.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Is the fact that it's Thursday and anything can happen.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: What'd you make of, uh, Bomani Jones earlier saying that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you know, if God forbid the bucks lose, Todd Bowles
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: could be fired.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: I don't believe it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: I think it's really hard to fire a co and I,
• 36:30
  Speaker 13: I understand that you think he's untouchable, but I think
• 36:32
  Speaker 13: it's really hard to fire a coach when you're starting
• 36:34
  Speaker 13: an undrafted rookie.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Um, Like, that can't be the game you fire him.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Well, they weren't good with Baker, I mean, to be fair.
• 36:43
  Speaker 13: They weren't good, but you got to give Baker a shot,
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: and it doesn't help you to fire him now.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: It doesn't help you.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Thanks to all the guests who joined us today. Fun show,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: busy show.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Let's get to if the season ended today to finish
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: off the show.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Ooh, a little NFL music.
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: What week are we in?
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: What week?
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: This is week five kicks off tonight.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, but we are approaching the time of the season
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: where you forget what week it is, right? Like, no doubt. Yes?
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I never forget because I count them down.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: If the season ended today in the AFC, surprise, surprise,
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: the Kansas City Chiefs have the one seed.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: They have the bye.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: No surprise.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: Well, surprise us all.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: Your first get matchup.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: No surprise.
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: The New England Patriots are on the road. At the
• 37:30
  Speaker 13: Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: We just saw this game. We just saw this game,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: and I think it'd be a repeat. Give me Jacksonville.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Patriots, I mean, Drake, you weren't encouraged
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: at all by Drake May against Buffalo and that Patriot
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: team against Buffalo last week?
• 37:47
  Speaker 13: No, I think Buffalo has a suspect defense, and I
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: think they are going to just ask Josh Allen.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: To do it all.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville has a very good defense. Trevor Lawrence, man, this
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: is painful to say, but it might be good. By
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the way, the return of Tony Buscelli in two weeks, Mikey.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I thought you'd be excited about that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: I'm excited. I don't even need to ask him about Jags.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: I would take the Jags in that game, too. Go ahead.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: The Raiders head to Buffalo.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Wow, they made the playoffs. Wow, the Raiders are for real.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: They're not even the last seed. Where are the Raiders going?
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: They are going to Buffalo.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, we think. Josh Allen, Buffalo. I think the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Raiders are just happy to make it to the playoffs.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: The Bills, of course, are not happy just making it
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs. They have loftier aspirations. I think Buffalo
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: wins that game fairly easily.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: But barring injury, Kirk Cousins will be the quarterback for
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: that team at that point.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: He's earned it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: I would agree.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, if he has taken his team to the playoffs,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: it would be an odd time to bench him. And
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: if they are indeed headed towards the playoffs, he's never
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: being benched.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: So Mendoza will wait another year.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: And how about this?
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: Last game in the AFC and AFC North matchup. between
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: the baltimore ravens traveling to the cleveland browns.
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: Oh wow that is rich i mean what the storylines
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: are amazing in that game i actually want that game
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: to happen i do i think the ravens blow them
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: up all.
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: Right yeah in the nfc the san francisco 49ers will
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: have the one seed and the Los Angeles Rams will
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: head on the road to take on the quarterback whisperer himself,
• 39:33
  Speaker 13: the Minnesota Vikings.
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: Wow.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: He's not a quarterback whisperer. Sure is.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: 4-0, two seed.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: The only thing he should be whispering in anyone's ear
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: is a big thank you to Brian Flores.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: If he did that, Flores would end it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: That too yes that too i would take stafford and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the rams to steamroll uh the quarterback whisper.
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: As would i yeah uh your next matchup the seattle
• 39:58
  Speaker 13: seahawks the defending champs head on the road to take
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: on the jamis winston led nfc east new york giant champions.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Wow wow wow wow harbaugh makes the playoffs does it
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: with a backup quarterback Baltimore is traveling to Cleveland.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: I'm rooting for Jameis. I'll take Jameis in that game.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I will just simply because I'm rooting for Jameis and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I want Jameis to win a Super Bowl.
• 40:27
  Speaker 13: And you're guaranteed Sunday night matchup for playoff weekend.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: The Chicago Bears on the road at the Carolina Panthers.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Fireworks, baby. Week one matchup.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Well, we've seen that game. Yes, I think they put
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: up a 50 spot. And Carolina put up 30 something.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: That would be an exciting game. Caleb Williams should be back.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I would take the Bears because he's the greatest quarterback
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
• 40:53
  Speaker 13: Bryce young too and by the way your number one
• 40:55
  Speaker 13: pick if the season ended today yes houston texans are
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: on
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: The clock wow with a championship defense that suddenly got
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a lot worse