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Frank Gilhooley · Not Another Football Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself,
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  Speaker 1: Simon Donnelly, and I'm Jackie McNamara. And we're delighted to
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  Speaker 1: have actor Frank Gilhooly with us today. The Rangers fan.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. My name sounds like a Rangers fan, eh? Francis Gilhooly,
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  Speaker 2: the Rangers fan. How are we doing, mate? You okay? Good, aye.
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  Speaker 2: Times are great, really. Busy with everything.
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  Speaker 1: All good. We're just looking at some of your stuff
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  Speaker 1: again here. I was going through all your stuff. Is
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  Speaker 1: there anything you've not been in? Outlander, River City, Still Game, Taggart, Shetland, Bill, Casualty,
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  Speaker 1: Gardens of the Galaxy film. What box is still to
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  Speaker 1: be ticked?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's so many things. Acting. You can
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  Speaker 2: act until you're as old as you want to be.
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  Speaker 2: Every single... It's a great thing to be in because
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  Speaker 2: whatever you do, whatever you're in, there's always people of
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  Speaker 2: all ages. How did you get into it? So you
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  Speaker 2: just evolve and just keep going. But I'll keep doing
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  Speaker 2: that until I die.
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  Speaker 1: How did you get into it?
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  Speaker 2: Right, this is weird. So, a way back, me and
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  Speaker 2: my wife were trying to have kids and it was
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  Speaker 2: quite hard and we tried for 10 years and IVF, miscarriage,
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  Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. It was pretty hard. And
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  Speaker 2: we basically just, it was a bad time. And I says, Kim,
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  Speaker 2: it was a poor time for us. And I says,
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  Speaker 2: why no? She was talking about Christmas. What do you
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  Speaker 2: want for your Christmas? Kim, go give me an acting lesson.
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  Speaker 2: And Ange being a complete, tight arse she didn't even
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  Speaker 2: get me that she got me an invitation to go
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  Speaker 2: to the theatre workshop for their new play that had
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  Speaker 2: come up and it was just an invitation to a
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  Speaker 2: meeting so that was a really expensive Christmas present that
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  Speaker 2: year but I went and I went with attitude to
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  Speaker 2: see if they asked me to be a tree or
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  Speaker 2: something like that I came out after one week and
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  Speaker 2: I was like come on I was a tree and
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  Speaker 2: I was like it was windy and I was like
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it loved it couldn't believe what it
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  Speaker 2: opened up aside of me that I'd never, obviously an
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  Speaker 2: avenue that I'd never tapped into before. You hadn't thought
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  Speaker 2: about it before? No, no. And I loved it. And
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  Speaker 2: I took to it and I got equal lead role.
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  Speaker 2: And it was before I can, I'm like, there's the
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  Speaker 2: play's gone out. I think we had, oh, we showed
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  Speaker 2: it for three weeks or something. But I'm looking at
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  Speaker 2: the papers and thought, I had them on Thursday evening.
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  Speaker 2: You was talking about you and there's a Scotsman talking
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  Speaker 2: about you. And it was like, fantastic. People crying. What
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  Speaker 2: was the play?
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  Speaker 1: So you went from?
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  Speaker 2: Wave Me Goodbye, it was called. It was about the
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  Speaker 2: land girls.
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  Speaker 1: And was that through the workshop, or was that something
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  Speaker 1: completely different?
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  Speaker 2: That was a theatre workshop. It's not there anymore, but
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  Speaker 2: they had their own theatre, and they'd done a play
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  Speaker 2: twice a year. And so it was just a community play.
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  Speaker 2: But I loved it. And it was really, it was
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  Speaker 2: a big eye-opener to this sort of thing. And I
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  Speaker 2: found it through seeing stuff in the papers. I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: clearly they had something right to get mentioned. And then
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  Speaker 2: that summer, or late spring, somebody put a hand in
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  Speaker 2: my hand and said, you should go for this. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what is it? And it's a play,
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  Speaker 2: it was a, The List magazine, and it was a
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  Speaker 2: play they were advertising for people to be in Up
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  Speaker 2: and Under, which is a play by John Godbar. He
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  Speaker 2: made a film about it. And it's a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: Yorkshire lads. Is that Rugby? Aye, Rugby. Was it a film?
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  Speaker 2: A film, aye.
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  Speaker 3: I forget. Samantha Janis.
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  Speaker 1: What was the name of it?
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  Speaker 2: That's it, that was the name of it. So I
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  Speaker 2: got the part. Frank Rowley, the butcher. And it was brilliant,
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  Speaker 2: and they we got to the end of the run and,
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  Speaker 2: or if it was maybe show 25 or something, maybe 30,
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  Speaker 2: and she leaned over the producer and she says, there's
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  Speaker 2: somebody here that wants you to give them a call.
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  Speaker 2: PLA were in and I'm like, PLA, I've got a
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  Speaker 2: landscaping company. Pla is a mix that used to be
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  Speaker 2: a mix that you put in concrete. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: try to work this out. And she says, they're an agent.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what agent? What do you mean? An
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  Speaker 2: actor's agent. And I'm like, what's that? And honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: just took that game and put it in my drawer
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  Speaker 2: and left it for months and then finally seen it
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, I'm going to give it my
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  Speaker 2: bell and it was Pat Lovett Associates and God bless her,
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  Speaker 2: she's passed away now but her daughter has the business
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  Speaker 2: now and they're really thriving and I've been with them
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  Speaker 2: ever since. I've been with them. It's just what's meant
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  Speaker 2: for you.
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  Speaker 1: So initially you'd stuck that in the drawer and they
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  Speaker 1: gave it to you?
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  Speaker 2: The thing is that actors, there was actual actors there
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  Speaker 2: that were in the cast that were really wanting to
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  Speaker 2: get into this sort of thing and they'd done college
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  Speaker 2: and whatever uni and I just never gave it a
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  Speaker 2: thought I was too busy to be honest to care
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  Speaker 2: but when I did she was like oh darling come
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  Speaker 2: and see me she was so funny I wasn't used
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  Speaker 2: to it it's all lovey dovey she was brilliant but
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  Speaker 2: aye so that's a weird way to get into it
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  Speaker 2: and of course now I've got three laddies they're 17
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  Speaker 2: 18 and 22 so in fact I think it's just
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  Speaker 2: our 23 so it's quite a different life yeah Time flies.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about it. So what was your first role
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  Speaker 1: after that that came about first?
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  Speaker 2: So the first one I got was for a wee,
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  Speaker 2: I played, you know, James Cosmo, the big Scottish guy.
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  Speaker 2: He was in Braveheart and all that, a great actor.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I know who he is.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in quite a few things with him, actually,
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  Speaker 2: but I played one of these henchmen in a film,
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  Speaker 2: one of these tiny wee independent films called One Last Chance,
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  Speaker 2: set up in the Highlands. It was just a tiny wee.
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  Speaker 2: But it was... probably kidnapping somebody and Ken, it was
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  Speaker 2: just for me it was an honour to be in
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  Speaker 2: his company but now I've worked on a few other
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  Speaker 2: things that he's been in as well, things he's been
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  Speaker 2: in things we've missed each other but have both been
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  Speaker 2: in and some things where we've been at different, like
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  Speaker 2: he was an outlaw king it was in what was
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  Speaker 2: the other thing crime was it case histories case histories
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking it was three series that two or
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  Speaker 2: three but he was in that and I was in
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  Speaker 2: but again we just ended up chatting in the room
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  Speaker 2: somewhere but I wasn't in any scenes with him yeah
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  Speaker 2: but right good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Aye so it's you're obviously saying you've got your landscape
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  Speaker 1: business there does that help then you've got that there
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  Speaker 1: so you're not just sitting twiddling your thumbs waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the next thing to come along.
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  Speaker 2: But see when I was younger a lot of casting
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  Speaker 2: directors used to say you're not very nervous I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a nervous person but what it was is I didn't
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  Speaker 2: need the money yeah It was just like, it pays
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  Speaker 2: for a holiday or whatever, Ken, but, and that's the
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  Speaker 2: way it sort of worked. It's, a lot of actors really,
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  Speaker 2: they're going in there like, sweating themselves like, desperately.
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  Speaker 1: They need the job.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't like that because, so, when I teach my classes,
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  Speaker 2: I do say to them, and it was very funny because,
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  Speaker 2: different from the guy that taught me, Bernard Hiller in
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles, I ended up going to this chap and
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  Speaker 2: he actually asked me if I would teach one day.
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  Speaker 2: He's like one of the world's top performance coaches. But,
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  Speaker 2: he's like you must go all in all in, all in,
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  Speaker 2: all in but there isn't enough acting jobs for everybody
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  Speaker 2: to be all in so all in means pack up
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  Speaker 2: and go to Los Angeles almost but I actually got
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  Speaker 2: asked like I was doing one of his classes and
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  Speaker 2: you have to do scenes and we performed this scene,
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  Speaker 2: me and this girl from London, she lives in LA
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  Speaker 2: now everybody was in tears at the end it was
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  Speaker 2: a really emotional scene from Castaway Do you remember that
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  Speaker 2: scene where he comes back and he talks about how he's,
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  Speaker 2: I've lost her all over again. Because he gets to
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  Speaker 2: see her, but then she's married. We'd done a version
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  Speaker 2: of that scene where I was coming back and I
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  Speaker 2: found my daughter and all this. And she didn't react.
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  Speaker 2: We'd done it really well. It worked out really good.
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  Speaker 2: We had two agents there. I couldn't believe it. Both
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  Speaker 2: of them asked to speak to me. And they were asking,
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  Speaker 2: are you over here? Would you consider coming over and
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  Speaker 2: all that? And I was like, I'd love to be
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  Speaker 2: on your books if you wanted to, for American work.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I've got an agent in the UK, but
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  Speaker 2: I live in Scotland. I've got a young family. There's
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  Speaker 2: no chance of me coming over here unless, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not coming to build. I would come if I
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  Speaker 2: got offered a role. And that was that, like, I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't care. I'm not bothered. I'm not going to, again,
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  Speaker 2: my kids were stable, happy life and all that. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm confident that was the right decision.
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  Speaker 1: What's your favourite thing that you've been involved in?
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  Speaker 2: That's quite a good question. I think possibly because it
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  Speaker 2: was quite frightening the scale of things, Guardians of the
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  Speaker 2: Galaxy maybe. Because you go into that and it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you go for the filming of that? Was
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  Speaker 1: that London?
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  Speaker 2: London.
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  Speaker 3: Did you need to do a rehearsal for that then?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: It was a different part, a bigger part.
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  Speaker 2: No when you're coming off script you know for your
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  Speaker 2: when you're filming you've got to be off script and
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  Speaker 2: you've got to be ready so there's no particular rehearsals
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  Speaker 2: for that because these things can change when you're on
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  Speaker 2: set as well so you just get on with it
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  Speaker 2: there is some films have rehearsals I've been to five
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  Speaker 2: or six or seven films that have had rehearsals but
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  Speaker 2: it's not it's not the norm not the norm no but.
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  Speaker 4: Like when you get you just gave you the part
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  Speaker 4: though you didn't have to go and do something before it.
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  Speaker 2: No I had to go to London and audition right
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  Speaker 2: and then you come back up and you're wondering oh
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  Speaker 2: and you hear nothing for ages and they're saying they
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  Speaker 2: would like you to go down again and when it's
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  Speaker 2: at that stage for such a wealthy company right.
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  Speaker 5: So do you have to do your hair I had
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  Speaker 5: to pay it well once you got it the part
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  Speaker 5: so I had to go down again and I got
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  Speaker 5: back and the very next day they said right you've
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  Speaker 5: got the role so went down because they wanted us
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  Speaker 5: to go right away no in fact to go down
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  Speaker 5: for a hair and costume thing right away now at
• 9:45
  Speaker 5: this point they start paying for stuff because yeah You've
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  Speaker 5: got to say you're from London.
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  Speaker 2: But once you're there, they're no bother about that after that.
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  Speaker 2: So they pay all your travel and expenses and hotels
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  Speaker 2: and everything after that. The audition part, not so much. So...
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  Speaker 2: I got that, but then as soon as they showed
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  Speaker 2: me the thing of how my hair's to be, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you're joking. So they cut this into double
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  Speaker 2: mohawk hanging tattoos and all this crap. And I came
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  Speaker 2: back for that to go on holiday with Ange and
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  Speaker 2: the kids. To keep that. And then they just trimmed,
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  Speaker 2: fixed it when I went back down a month later.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be like that for ages. It could have
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  Speaker 2: been worse, there was another guy there, he was like
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  Speaker 2: a monk, kind of like the big hole in there,
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: and oh, just a ringy here. But no, that was
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  Speaker 2: probably exciting, simply because it was so big. The studio,
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: is it Longhurst or something? It's where they used to
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  Speaker 2: make all the tanks. They used to film, what was
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Clarkson's programme with the, Cars and all that.
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  Speaker 1: Top Gear.
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  Speaker 2: Top Gear. They used to film that there. But when
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  Speaker 2: you go round the size of the place and the
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  Speaker 2: scale of everything, that's why they get you in, just
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  Speaker 2: to be ready for it, because it's like, Jesus. But
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  Speaker 2: it's massive.
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  Speaker 1: Do you get to meet the other actors that are
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: in the film? I know there's a lot of talking
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  Speaker 1: animals in that film, but your scenes, are you meeting the.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was in the scenes with all the main actors,
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  Speaker 2: so I was quite lucky, though I was... screen time
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  Speaker 2: for that is actually low I was filming on that
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  Speaker 2: for three and a half weeks so they booked you
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  Speaker 2: for a month and finally by the end of it
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  Speaker 2: we were done but you've got loads of other things
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  Speaker 2: they asked you to do in case they could use
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  Speaker 2: them and they must have had enough to make a
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: film 20 hours long and they threw it all down
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: oh it's crazy when you finished we had one in
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  Speaker 2: particular where we were grabbing Zoe Saldana and sort of
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  Speaker 2: kidnapping her out of her cell and then and there's
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: a huge hallway going through, it's giant the place, and
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  Speaker 2: it was so hot outside, they had water spraying everywhere
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  Speaker 2: to keep us cool and all that, but they have
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  Speaker 2: big screens where the director and different people, if they
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: want to be out of the thing, can watch it,
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: or they can come up and watch it on the
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  Speaker 2: screens closer, but we finished, it was quite horrible the
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  Speaker 2: way we grabbed her and kidnapped her, and we went, right, cut,
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  Speaker 2: that's it, that's it, take that, that'll do us, and
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  Speaker 2: you just heard a big cheering going right through the door,
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  Speaker 2: because there's a crew there, about a thousand folk or something,
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  Speaker 2: and we're like, or the clap on it. It was
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  Speaker 2: just because it was quite a scary scene. So it
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  Speaker 2: was really good. It was a brilliant thing to be
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  Speaker 2: part of. But as for acting, I have to be honest, like,
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  Speaker 2: River City was quite challenging.
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  Speaker 3: That was a difficult part as well.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It was quite difficult. It's quite a thing with
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  Speaker 2: social media. They can be pretty scary. Yeah. middle-aged women can,
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  Speaker 2: folks say, I'll stab that bastard if I see him,
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and you're like, they go to
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: the point, three lasses that was mainly working with family members,
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: and they actually put out some stuff on social media,
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  Speaker 2: I said, guys, this is our pal, this is Frank
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  Speaker 2: Del Julio, you've seen him, and he said, stop being
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Are you talking about.
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  Speaker 1: People reacting to your character?
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  Speaker 2: Aye, so my character was an incestual rapist, and you can't, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you've done your thing right if they're all wanting to
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  Speaker 2: kill you.
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  Speaker 3: What age were you then?
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  Speaker 2: But it was... See, when they brought me back years later,
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  Speaker 2: that was actually quite funny. It was interesting to be
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: back and do this. I was on it for, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what it was, two months or something. But
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: maybe a bit more than that, but with Cathy Gilmore,
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  Speaker 2: who played my... sister and we had this horrible scene
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  Speaker 2: at the end where I had to finally break down
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  Speaker 2: where she beat me and I said to the director
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  Speaker 2: I said I want to do something here if you
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  Speaker 2: don't mind I want to try and I want to
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  Speaker 2: break down in such a way I'm even going to
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  Speaker 2: make my voice go up there you know cry and
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  Speaker 2: try and make these people who hate me sorry and
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  Speaker 2: feel sorry for me and I couldn't believe the when
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: we done this, it was during COVID, so, oh, this,
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  Speaker 2: keep the distance and all that stuff. Somebody going, somebody
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  Speaker 2: with a stick all the time in your face telling you,
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  Speaker 2: too close, too close. Anyway, er, but we did, we,
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: we had a, let's say, nothing to do with anything,
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  Speaker 2: but I had a, like, good hug at the end
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: just to say, well done, well done.
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  Speaker 3: That was, that was, tough, tough role.
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  Speaker 2: Aye, it was, it was, we were exhausted by the
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  Speaker 2: end of that and it was, er, because both parts
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  Speaker 2: of it are so hard, because she's got to act
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  Speaker 2: the part where, as if everything's going to heal after this,
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  Speaker 2: and then when I finally, she broke me, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: pouring it out. Yeah. And she's done. It's done. It's
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: not done anything. It doesn't change a thing. And that's
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: the truth of it. And this was, it's all done
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  Speaker 2: and written in conjunction with Rape Crisis Scotland. So it's
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  Speaker 2: done in a way to, to no wind folk up.
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  Speaker 2: It's done in a way to try and be real. Yeah. So, eh,
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  Speaker 2: But it's also great when you're working with somebody like her.
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  Speaker 2: She's magic.
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  Speaker 4: Does that, like playing the kind of parts, do you
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: have to switch off of that at home and stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like you're trying not to be that person.
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  Speaker 2: See, the thing is, you've got to love your character, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I've got to, and I teach this, and it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest things I was taught in LA.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: You've got to love your character and you've got to,
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  Speaker 2: if your character is a, murdering serial killer you've got
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  Speaker 2: to love killing folk now you'll have all the stuff
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  Speaker 2: later on where you're in the scenes where you can't
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: believe what you've done but when you're in the action
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  Speaker 2: of doing it you've got to make sure that they
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  Speaker 2: believe you are that person so aye that it is
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: hard but I got to the point where when I
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: knew there was a scene coming the next day where
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: everything is couldn't do it for me and I'm cast
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: out the family it wasn't near the end of the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: part yet it was where stuff was going to happen,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I'm getting cast out, and in my mind, it was
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a Friday, and we were coming back to do some
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: of this stuff next week, and I literally, it was bizarre,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I cried all the way home, in the car, back
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: down to the borders, I just, I felt, it was
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: almost like I felt sorry for my character, but I
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: felt sorry for me, it was like, why is this Ken,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: but I knew it was coming, but that's the whole point,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you immerse yourself in it, Ken, and if you can
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: immerse yourself in it, maybe folk will not believe you,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it's the same for everything it's like still game being
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that big prick that's shouting at everybody.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Going from that to that you know I mean that
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: must have been hilarious being part of that you know
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: the still game it was.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Brilliant I mean that was brilliant and there's no many
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: actors that were given for the time they were in
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: it were given such a quality lines as I was
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: given they were really kind to me their lines were
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: awesome there's bits she's haven't seen like I said this
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: to you before I would love it if they made
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: a programme about all the stuff they did in the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: show she's only got a certain amount they can show
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: now I once had to come down from up north
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I was still going over lines and tracking everything in
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: fact I had an audition that was when I was
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: filming for them but I also had an audition for
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Riverside at the time I thought that's a tonne of
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: lines today in the car in Aden I'd say, right,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I'll come down with your dad, I'll test you on
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: your lines, you're sick of it, because I was doing
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: it all the way down, we were seven hours drive north,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: pretty much six or seven hours to Clactow, which is north,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: as north and west as you can get, and came
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: down for this, and then Aidan's in the hotel, he
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: just wanted the wifi again and again, so he was
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: having a brilliant time in there, and it was mental,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: we'd done the whole thing, I think I had the audition,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: that was on the Friday, so then still game, oh no,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it must have been staggering the week, and that, so,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: it was the other way about but we'd done the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: audition first but then I had to do the still
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: game stuff and it was like 32 degrees it was
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: supposed to be April and so it was pushing off
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: oh yes Ken it was mental but we'd done everything
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: got it done now there's bits in that scene because
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: this is when they brought me back in it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Was with the drink wasn't it the hooch drink aye
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: that was it everybody was going blind.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And when they first see me or they're two are
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: walking up again and There's a scene where I chuck
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: an old granny out, so you see the knitting and
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: everyone getting chucked out. But she goes through there, tail at,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: but they didn't use that. They pulled that bit out
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: for some reason. And I think it was just because
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the weather, maybe the time they'd done that bit, it
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: was too hot and it was folks sweating. It's all
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: right just chucking stuff out, but there's a lot more
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: preparation for getting ready to chuck somebody else out. But,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: so there's loads of things like that in the years.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing, I mean, picture somebody at my
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: size chucking a wee gravure flying through the air. But,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: but no, the boys were brilliant. They're the absolute class act,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, they're brilliant.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: They're a great show, man.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: They're doing, I gather, they're doing one for, involving Billy
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Connolly or something. Who? Aye. That's what I heard. I
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: was away somewhere, I think I was in, when I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was in China.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's special.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Aye. And Billy Connolly, I said, oh, I would love
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to be in that. Or somebody was telling me the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: next thing, I hear it. So I dropped a wee
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: message to Greg, just saying, mate, come on, if you
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: are in. I would love to. That would be amazing. Amazing.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: So I've heard this from loads of folk. I've not
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: actually seen the clips yet of them talking about it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: They were doing a wee tour, a thing called Old Pals.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: So it was Sanjeev, Tam, Mark Cox. Isa Bobby and
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: was that it Winston and they were going round in like.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Q & As talking about it well.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I've done one of them do you do one of
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: them as well but this recently just came out like
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: literally in the last few months so maybe it was
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: something I don't know but I I heard that they'd
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: been talking about the actual, Greg and Ford had been
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: talking about the Eyeburg Idea or something, but I've no
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: search to that one, I just kind of thought about that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: That'd be good if it is.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: With a big game.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be a fast one.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: That would be amazing. You'd have no problem getting folk
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to watch that. No.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: So you've written a book as well?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Aye. The book was just a natural step for me.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It was largely because of my classes and The classes,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: they're acting and they're performance classes, but they're actually quite,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: they're healing. I think the way I introduced the book
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: online is that we all go about, we're all at
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: different stages of life, but some folk go around, a
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: lot of folk go around with heavy chains, crushing them,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: weighing them down, and they're not even aware they've got
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the chains. Some folk are aware, but they don't know
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: how they got there, and certainly don't know how to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: get rid of them.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: But they.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the stuff I learned with Bernard Hiller in America was
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: just priceless and he was so kind to me. To
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: learn the way the human soul works is, you see
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: patterns and things and you see patterns in people's lives,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you see mistakes folk make and you see some folk,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I call it the downward spiral of fear because it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: all about fear. It's never something that excites you that
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: ruins you. It's always afraid of this and... There is
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a pattern. Somebody might do something they're ashamed of or
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: they might have lost their job and they don't want
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to tell anybody because they've been quite high flying and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: so they start pretending and it's all about authenticity. The
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: minute you start pretending and losing yourself and the more
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you do it, the more you cover up for doing
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: it and you have, folk might get in, they might
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: get in, you cover up even more and you become
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a different person, know the person can, the most authentic
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you was that wee bairn before the fiver were tell,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: get stale that grass. You know, the, it's beautiful grass,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: it burns just what you run about daft on it, and,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: day off it, there's a sign there, and all these
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: sort of things, and, these big, doors that you can,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: get through in life, with everything you do, and the
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: parameters get thinner, and thinner, and thinner, and thinner, until you're,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: once you're an adult, and, you're, getting on with your life,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that's really quite, yeah, quite thin, this is the corridor,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you've got to walk in life, or you're, you're weird,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: or you're out there, or you're different, or whatever, and eh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And there is ways, I mean, when it gets to
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the really bad stage, they take their families for granted
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and they start treating their families like shite and you
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: see faults with that. But then, of course, the families
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: have enough of that and then they support them and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they're like, I can't do this. And, of course, the folk,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: when they try to pretend to be whatever that they're hiding,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the people that they think matter to them, maybe somebody
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: with money or somebody in their work or whatever, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: they see right through it. And normally it ends up,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it can end up, you know, drinking too much, it
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: can end up drugs. Yeah. And clearly there's parts of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: it where it can end up in self-harm. So do you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Incorporate this into your kind of workshops.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: That you do? This is in every one of them.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It's a massive part of it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: So obviously you're teaching people to act and stuff, but again,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: this side of it is what, chatting, just being open?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Aye, so basically it's a kind of... there's no need
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to teach people to act, right? Because the best actors,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you just stand back and watch two bands play and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: one will say, you take this, I'll take this, I'll
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: be the doctor, right? What's wrong with you today? They're brilliant.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: They're just right into it. So it's inside us all.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Just bringing that out. To bring that out, but it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: also to bring the authenticity. People need to see your soul.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: There's a great saying where it's only when you show
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: your vulnerability that people fall in love with you. And
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it's true. I mean, think of the The race of people,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: of men, in Britain, right, we're one of the worst
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: at showing our vulnerabilities. Now, compare it to Italy, where
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: you can watch on telly, you can watch everybody, you
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: can see caricatures of a man standing crying, I love you,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and crying his eyes out. And women are like, oh.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: they fall in love with them but that's an exaggeration
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a sort of caricature but it's true the more authentic
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you are the more they see the true you vulnerabilities
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and everything that's when everything goes right and that's where
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: an audience falls in love with you too again it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I mind I go back to the very first play
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that I was in that waved me goodbye and the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Annie what was her name Annie that was terrible Was
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it Sandy? Sandy Ross, I think it was her name.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: She died recently. When I was away sailing somewhere, I heard,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: sort of sent a wee video toasting to her because
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: she was brilliant. But she, what was I going to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: say there again about the crime and the males? Ah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it was to deal with authenticity, the specific thing that
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: she'd done. Oh, so she'd said, when you go into this,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I want you to underdo it. this play, I was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: conscious of the big guy, which was good casting, because
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: they always portray them as wee guys. And she said,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I want you to underdo it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: This was the first play?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: First play. And I'm like, I feel like I want
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: an audience to react. So it's like if you see
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a guy getting shot on telly, and they go, back
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: in the 60s, I'm like, ah! And so I said,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I really think I should when there's this scene where they,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: sort of this big kissing scene with this lassie after
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the Christmas party, and on the way home, she suddenly
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: pulls away, and she's like, and it's way back in
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the days, and there's this bit where, it's Clay's weekend,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: but the final, like, because I'm the conchie, I'm the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: guy in the village that didn't go to war, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I've had enough of it, but nobody can say why,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but it's because my three other brothers got killed, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: so there's this thing, I had prayers, I'm not going
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: for my ma, And it was quite a, and it
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: was this, I had prayers. But I'd say, do you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I think I should be like, I had prayers. Kind
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: of like, let out. And she was like, no, no, no.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: And I couldn't do it. And it's terrible. I'll probably
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: not get any acting jobs for this bit, for no
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: doing what she said. But I'd done it and I'd
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: raised my voice. And honestly, all I could see, the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: minute I said, I had prayers, Ken, I'd just seen
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: all these hands coming up like this, the whole audience, just,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you're so intimate, getting like this, and just feeling so sad,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: what a shame, because I've been taking shit for everybody
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: through this thing, for being a conchie, but now they can,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and I go on to say, my brothers, three brothers did,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: so I'm no, I'm no, doing this for my ma,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: so you can shove it up your arse, and I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: walk away again, and as you walk over, your foot,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I could do anything. So, aye, so it's, but to me, aye.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: It's that authenticity and it's that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Do you get a wee buzz off that then by
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the crowd? Because, again, we've referred in other episodes to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: this Billy and Tim thing that we're in and it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the jailer guy.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: You're laughing again.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But the jailer guy is going through a story of his,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I think his grandson's in the hospital and it tugs
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: at the hearts of things, like we're in the show
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and you're watching and the wee bits, it plays it
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that well that you can hear the crowd responding to it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So it must be the same, you must get a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: buzz out.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: When you get folk doing that and seeing stuff like
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that and you can tell when you tell it or
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: ram it, Ken, a few times I was like, like
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: ten folk clapping or something. But, and you walk off when, Ken,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: it's no wonder, there's quite a few folks saying, but
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a couple literally close, you could hear them dead clear, Ken,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: but saying, I mean, at the end of the night,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: somebody's like, fuck her, Ken, like, because she was being
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: such a cunt to me. But it's, ah, you get that,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: you get that, it's, I mean, the stage acting, the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: only reason I don't need to stage acting simply, it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: not that, I didn't follow the sort of theatre stuff
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and all that, or I would demerit, but there just
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: isn't anything money. So I didn't class myself as a thespian.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Neither do we. He's laughing when I say we're in
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a show.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: We're doing the commentary bits at half time, but the
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: actual show, I don't know if you've seen it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It's really good. What's his name?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Scott Kyle.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Scott, that's it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: He was in Outlander.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Good lad.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Outlander as well.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: He was in Outlander. He was in Outlander with me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But he was in, unless it was the same time maybe,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: but he was in it for a wee while. He
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: was in another.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Film I liked. Angels Share. He was in that. It
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: was a good film.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It was a brilliant film. I worked two films after that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I worked for Ken Loach on It's a Free World.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It was about Polish immigration. And it was just, to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: work with Ken tick box but Scott Crowley.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: He's a good guy the actual show is great you
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: know a wee bit like part of mine with the
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Rangers fans and the Celtic fans and we're in the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: kind of you know before the game did the commentary
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: how's it going to go today but then it's like
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: one team scores and it's like it's really happened at
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: that point you know you want to have You can
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: see the passion.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: It's as if they're at the game, isn't it?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: It's like, aye.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: And then there was the equaliser and you could see
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: it in there. And it's like, this is mental. You know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: we've got one side, boo, and there's one of us on,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: if it's a Rangers player that's talking. But then the
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: actual acting and the message that they're actually trying to
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: put out there about, you know, the whole thing about,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: what's important, a game in there between Ains and Celtic there,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: or with the fans, or, you know, family and life,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: and the message at the end, but you're hoping a
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: lot didn't get that, but.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It was, it was, a brilliant message, but I'm not
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: sure a lot of folk get it, like, like take that,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: because you can see it every week, and there is
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: some mental cases out there, aye, but.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Do your boys follow suit, any of the boys aren't they, acting?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: No, Aidan was going to do a bit, and he,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: he's a a pal of mine is an agent she's
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: not my agent but she's lovely and I got I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: said would you give him a wee hand and get
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: him on to see if he wanted to do this
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: but then when uni came he had to really do
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that it took a lot more time so he had.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: To be a part in the sitcom the pilot nah that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Was brilliant the thing we done that was funny as
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: anything it's you're chucking the pie I'll mind you right
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in the face.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Was he He was keeping up at the start. He
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: was Tilly when he was a kid.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: When he kicked the ball in the air and the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: comrade hits the grandpa.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: That was mad. It was up at Falkirk. It was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a good laugh.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: It's crazy that we've not done something like that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I think between the two of us, although I was
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: straight into management, the material that I've got.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Like we've got characters that could be another series.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: I know it's an endless end another series the characters
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: part of the one night with that first episode is
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: weird because you know the Tully you know the amateur
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: came from amateur to Premier League ended up being like
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Andy Robertson he was amateur when I took him to
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Dundee United then you had the other boy with the
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: bad stammer I'm not going to say the player's name
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: but I signed a player and I hadn't spoke to
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: him until he was the day he came up there
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: and then I asked him a question and then put
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: him off I said did you just come up the
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: day or did you come up and I was like
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: all the characters.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: It's such a shame but it's part of your life
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Kenneth if you're going to do these things don't do
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: that or that just show everybody everything and that's what
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: we've done with that sometimes the things that they hide
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: out of your life are the most painful and some
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of them are the funniest and sometimes they're a combination
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of the two.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You could take that and a theatre playing on.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: You could. You could.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Never thought about that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: You could. It's a... I mean, that... It was bizarre
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: that time we went and took him to BBC and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you get in there and your nan gets cancelled and
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: everybody's like... Right, and then the first thing I see is,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: just so you know, I won't be laughing. I won't
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: be laughing. It's a comedy.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I don't laugh.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's we tested it to an audience, what, 264?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Who was that? In Edinburgh?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Camel of Edinburgh. That's right. I remember we
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: were sitting wishing you had a pause button to pause
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: it because it's a triple barrel joke there's this then
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: there's this then there's this and they're laughing that loud
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the second and third part and even Ewan Angus laughed
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: his head off and then says it's no he laughed
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and then at the end it says we're not looking
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: for anything like this right now and then and then
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: suddenly too much for the BBC then suddenly we get
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: this in the morning we hear they've announced a new
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: series with Lenny Henry and I'm like I know Have
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I catapulted back to the 70s?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: It's just bizarre. It's just bizarre, I mean, but.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: That's... Because I think, I mean, if you look at
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: it now.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Would you revisit it? I would, but you'd have to
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: change a lot. I mean, the world's changed since... When
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: was that?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: 2011?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: 2011, 2012, wasn't it? That's mental.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I brought up Big Bisto.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Overacting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Overacting. Just bring it down a bit. You're saying bring
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it down a bit.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But you look at it now, like, how the world
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: is in that time.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Things that you can't say, things you can, PC, and
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the woke generation would be like.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's quite funny, though, because if you ever watch Friends,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Friends is already out of date. There's so many things
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like... I know. How did... They still left that in.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: How can they say that?
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: It's the same with Fools and Horses. Even that wasn't there,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: but then you look at things way beyond before.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Fawlty Towers or you know, ain't I a hot mum, or,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you know, we couldn't show that today.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: George and Mildred.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: And sickness and health.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: It's mental, but it's a different world, and it's evolving
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a lot faster than it was as well.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I hope it does come back again, you know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: It's a pendulum often, they say, but, ah, yeah, right,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things you can't say or do now,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: so you'll find it hard trying to find out where you're...
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Was it six? Six episodes?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: We wrote six.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I wrote a Bible first, At least six. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I think I wrote the second episode, which was quite
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of funny stuff in that way. That stuff,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the hair.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: The veet. The veet.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: There was a player, Van Der Veet. One of the
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: players I'd written in was Van Der Veet. And the guy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: he joined one of the players up.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: So he put no veet. It's a hair remover.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And he put that in his shampoo.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's mental. You don't want to crush somebody like that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: You don't want to crush somebody like that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: No.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: But changing that, that's going to go into quite a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: way to do it. But that was one of the things,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't it?
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Because with John Spencer on, and one of the bits
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: he'd said about one of the scenes where the guy
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: talking about his big balls.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: It was the captain, remember? You need big balls to play.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Aye, aye, aye.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: But then.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to say who that
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: is nowaday.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: No well he said it in the podcast with Spenny
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: but you're in there I think I know who it
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: is as well and you.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Know what you need is a big cracking pair of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: balls like these babies is.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That where you took your inspiration from?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: No That was, I'll tell you after, you can probably
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: guess with the slowness. By the way, he's very prominent
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: now in the game, just now. But with Johnny, he'd
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: sit in the dressing room, it was the Old Hibs,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: the Old Hibs manager, Assistant Manager of Scotland, and he
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: was sitting there in the dressing room and Spenny's went,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: fuck me out look at the size of.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Your bones and you're like no you're just kind of
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: drawn to that in the changing room and he's like
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: it's a fucking space hopper you've got there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: And when you use that line eh and you're sitting
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: there I was crying but you're like he's drying his cell.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: He's like fuck off Spenny.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: But in the dressing room and that's what it was
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: like you know what I mean like all the different
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: characters that had been in but then went into management
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: and you see all these different characters.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It's another series. The thing is, the notes you get
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: at the start of that, to get that episode out
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: of that, and I love writing, I've written quite a lot,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and it's one of the things I've always said, I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: write and write, because I can at some point, I'm
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: going to transition to writing once something goes. I remember
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: being on the bus, going back for a film set,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and there's a lassie there, and I'm like, that's a lassie,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: she was a bit older than me. I'm like chatting
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: away at her and I'm like, what is your role here?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: She's like, I'm the writer, I wrote the books. I
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't aware it was books, but it was something that
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: had been out in books and one of them got
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: picked up. And through the conversation, she was like, I
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: just can't believe it. She's like, I've got different books
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and I've got other stuff, I've got prepared and I've
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: written all this other stuff. And now it's like, I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: getting phone calls all the time asking, have you got more,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: have you got more? And she says, if you do write,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: because I just started writing then. I love on holiday
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I kind of sit by a pool and just sit
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and sunbathe but I will happily sit with a beer
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: right away and I've done a lot I've got several
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: movies and a series and something else I've got like
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: maybe 10 things in total that I'm really happy with
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: that I've finished right through at the end and a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: couple of true stories on other people's books and other
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: people's lives so they'll go she's like when they go
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it'll be horrible if you've got nothing left but see
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: if you've got a bank of them wow and I've
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: always thought well combine it it's a hobby what could
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you possibly have to lose Ken it's therapeutic as well
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: isn't it it is especially when you do things and
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you've got them and you know you're confident in them
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: because you know how the ending feels you can I'm
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: really into the emotional bit seeing people at the end
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: crying for happiness or grief or you know whatever bit
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: and there's a sort of select few people that have
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a really couple of things just to because I know
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: there are no people that are going to oh that's
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: amazing when it's shit Ken and it's interesting but that's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: a big thing for me in the future that I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: want to do more of these stuff getting made but
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: it always takes that one to crack yeah crack one
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and everything start pouring Ken it's it's.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Good you've done a lot of charity work as well.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Recently I was just about to touch on that seeing
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that you're sitting in the getting the right hoops let's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: finish up with a wee bit of that so you've
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: done foundation stuff quite.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: A bit now so we've done the well it started
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: before the foundation the idea was really when I was
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: doing the West Highland Way with my lad Aidan and
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I always thought god I wish I'd done this for
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: charity and then I started thinking about a couple of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: charities to do stuff for and one particular charity I
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: got quite a bit in with them and chatting with
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: them and saying, look, I want to do something. And
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: they were just so like, meh. And I was just,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I thought, I don't know, really. Hard to even speak
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to them. So I thought, it was one Christmas, we
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: woke up Christmas morning, birds roping their presents. I was like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I wish I could think of something today for charity.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Or who to date for. And I'd said to Angie
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: about the foundation. She said, well, why don't you just take...
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: something like Kilimanjaro, trying to get a bunch of lads
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: together and do Kilimanjaro for the foundation. I was like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: that's actually quite a good idea. So it was, it
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't that year, but it was the following year, because
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it takes time to set it all up. And so, Kilimanjaro,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: but in between.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So you did Kilimanjaro?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Aye.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Get the top?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Aye.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Aye.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: But in between that before that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say obviously we did Cotopaxi
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: we did.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Cotopaxi it's a few centimetres higher Cotopaxi.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Is actually almost identical to you because the thing was 19,342
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: feet there's Cotopaxi another 19,400 feet.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Something really close.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Did you all get to the top?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Can you remember?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: No, I remember exactly. It was 10 of us, but
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: one person didn't. I'm not going to say it in
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the podcast, because he's well-kept. But he was brilliant. But
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: to be fair, it was just like.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Your body kind of did it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It was just like, honestly, lads, I've had enough. You're
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: not going to talk me out of it, so please
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: don't even try. I've had enough. I want to go
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: do it now. It was the middle of the night,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the last night. We're on our way up. Yeah. to
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the very.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Top that altitude sickness was horrendous we had a friend
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Craig Hinchcliffe who he failed Kilimanjaro but then he got
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to the top of Cotopaxi I spoke to the tour
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: guide and he says altitude sickness.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: It was 12 years we'd done it for Phil O'Donnell
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: for the British Heart Foundation how.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Many are you talking about?
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: It was 80 of us got to the top but
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I mean I don't know how I managed to ask
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I think you were about 4,000 metres, you were struggling.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's one of the things. It's not about
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: actual fitness. It's where your body can take it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: See, a month before we'd done it, there was a
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: group from Glasgow done Kilimanjaro. And there was 12, I think,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: done it. And two of them worked there. And they
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: were fitness fanatics. They were absolutely fit as anything.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And 10 made it to the top and they didn't
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and something like 7 or 6 of the rest of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: them smoked and the fact you're denying your body that
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: much because you smoke oxygen your body's actually acclimatised to
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: it so I gather but the guys they actually had
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: real problems they needed that oxygen for their system so
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I was lucky I wrote the script for a mate
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: of mine Mustafa Salema he's his book is Dreams of
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a Refugee it's brilliant but he told me he's I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: mean he does all this stuff all over the world
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: now and he had given me some tips and one
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: of the tips is drink water make sure you're drinking
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: drinking drinking I didn't understand that I thought you could
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: only get oxygen in your blood if you're breathing I
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: really didn't again when you check your oxygen blood level
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: your blood oxygen levels that it's the day when you're
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: drinking because he says constantly just have the hang there
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: just And just every time you remember, take it out,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: take it out.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: We had the wee bits, but it was the throws.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Aye, so he told me that. He says, when you
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: get to, when you get on, you've got a taxi.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: So he says, when you're on your last night ascent,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: he says, make sure everybody's got soup. And he says,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, you'll have somebody in your group who
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: will go into a blind panic because you need that water.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: You need it. He says, and calm them down. And
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: this is specifically today with Kilimanjaro. He says, so when
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you get to this point, and he's done it 30 times,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: 30 odd times. He's done Mount Everest at the top
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: of everything. And he says, when you get to that point,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: he says, calm everybody down. You'll have to shout. You'll
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: have to, because the guy's taking you up. They're not
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: strong enough to tell everybody. I was like, guys, shut up. Listen, listen.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I was telling about this. This is why we've got
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: our soup. Mine's just frozen as well, but the sun's
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: about to come up. and melt it. So I was told,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: look to the horizon and look for the red line.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Now look at that, guys, look. And it was just
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: all red. The sun's about to come up. We'd been
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: walking all through the night. And I say, so let's
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: sit down, have our soup, we'll calm down. And some
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: folk had, like, coffee and that, but they said, coffee's
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: a diuretic. It's not very good for doing this. But
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: have your soup and we'll go up and within half
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: an hour, your stuff will start to melt. And sure enough,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: within the time, I can, I can, I've got water again,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: can I go on? And And then the sun was up,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: within half an hour the sun was up, and it's
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: blasting on us. And that was us then. We still
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: had another few hours to get to the top, but
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: we never got to the top until half nine or something.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But I'm no, that's maybe my fault, because I'm no
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: putting it in jeopardy for anybody. I'll take my time.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: They're always like, Polly, Polly, slowly, slowly, and you just step, step.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Sometimes if some folk try to go too fast, you're finished.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So I took my time, and we got up there,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: we had one in our group that was desperate to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: get up and doing he was he was handling it
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: alright but he just wanted to get up and I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: ended up having to superimpose him into the pictures of
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the few as well because he wasn't even there he
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: was on the way back too but but no that
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: was brilliant but but that that was the first thing
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I'd done like before that I cycled across Australia for
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: another charity and it was it's funny you do things
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that are challenging eh but the one across Australia, I
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: was the only person, I just signed up to go
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: with him, cycle across Australia for a, I had a
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: certain point to finish it, it was just before, so
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I was, I was leaving it, it was, oh, outside Perth,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: zoo basically, Southern River, and then heading all the way
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: around the coast, all the way, to, oh, I can't
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: even remember the name of some of these places, but
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: we head up to a place called Norseman, and then
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: you go across the Nullarbor, and a place called Kaiguna,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: that was where I was finishing and see if it
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't for doing this for kids it was for it
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: was for kids that were were going to die basically
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: they were terminally ill and it was to give them
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: it was for the holiday homes that are on the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: beaches in the west of Scotland there and it was
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: they've got cared for holiday homes so you can be
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: nursed in that so the kids can have a last
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: smiling memories in English before it that kept you going
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for that it was so hard so
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: hard like a hundred and some days we're doing 135
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: miles in a day one of the days into a
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: wind in your face all day and I wish I'd
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: asked honestly honestly you cannae.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Do that I thought you knew it eh but.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: It was brilliant not a single regret about it but
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that particular day the 135 into the wind because we'd
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: done a few 135 when I sat down I was
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: knackered finally got there I just and I stood up
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: here's this on the back well it was actually this
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: leg on the back of my calf muscle here's this
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: thing Like, it just looked like a yelly bubble getting
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And I ran
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: over to the, we had a nurse with us, and
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I said, what the fuck is that? And her and Colas,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and I, Colas, Kathy, his wife, she's a nurse, and
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the two of them just looked at each other and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: went spider. And bitten by a spider. And the poison's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: so potent that your body just chucks everything out of
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: it right away. And it goes to about the size
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: of a, I don't know, a half-pence piece or something. Right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and burst and the next day we only had 102
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: miles or something and I got to the point where
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I couldn't take any more water and I was puking
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that much because of this I had yellow crystals they
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: just wouldn't heal for three or four days but yellow
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: crystals running down my leg and they just turned rock
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: hard and that's just your antibodies your white blood cells
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: but it's a whatever it done to me I couldn't
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: take any water and after 85 miles I was puking
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: as much water taking in so I had to get
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: them to pick me up for the last I says
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I can't do this I'm I'm literally shaking because something's
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: wrong and I think it was to do with my salts,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I don't have enough salt. So they just picked me
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: up for the last, I don't know what it was,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: eight miles and I've never been so glad to see
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: anybody in my life.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Never been on a bike, sons.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: No, that was the last eight miles of that day.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I still had hundreds of miles. Oh, God, loads to go.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: But no, that was brilliant. But they're not so different.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: But then, have you done Machu Picchu? So we'd done
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Machu Picchu three and a half, four years ago. Three
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and a half years ago or something. Three years or
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: something like that. But we'd done that. And that was mental.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: It was absolutely mental. It was brilliant. There was 16
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: years on that. And then... Kenny would talk about the
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: world changing. Well, we'd just done China. We'd done all
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: of China. And that's hard to get folk involved. Folk
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: have no got the money. There is a difference in
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: folks' finances now. So there was... Nine years went there,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: which was still a good number. But.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I recommend the Sahara Desert. I did the Sahara Desert
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: for the foundation. It was a really good experience.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Really good. What was it like? I've sworn to myself
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I am done with hills. I picture the Sahara like
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: dunes and all this. Kind of like they used to
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: train up them. You think you're getting up and you
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: just keep sliding down.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: There was one day that we did a wee bit
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of that, but nothing that you couldn't do. Even at
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the time of year that we did it, the heat,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: it was warm, but it wasn't unbearable. It was a
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: really enjoyable one. Because I did it on the back
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of Cotopaxi with them.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Was that leaving for Morocco?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Aye. We flew into Marrakesh, I think. We had one
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: night there then.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: That's one that you should look at. We might look
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: at that sometime.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: It's a good group as well. It was 13, 14.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: The group makes it as well, I think.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Aye, definitely. It's a good group of people. But I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: can't say anything like that. I know my wife would
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: go mental if I said, right, I'm going in to
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: do this. You're going to do another one. Because she's like...
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Because it kind of screws... If we did anything like
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: that in Easter, it screws her. holiday up together on
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Easter sort of thing so I don't know what the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: next I might do that though it's but it's worth
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: looking into China I've got to say China I've got
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: to recommend that to folk it's what an experience in China.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Derek Radden did they have the same experience no he
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: went over there to play to play aye not as
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: memorable no it's not it's a happy memory of yours
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: who was that who was that Derek Radden played with
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Celtic Hibs and.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Celtic and he went out there to play.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: So did Dan Jackson Dan lasted a week he lost
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: about two stone.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That's mental so what was the what's the issue going
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: on there?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I think food I think food was an issue for
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: them I think Deke was talking about raw chicken and
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: stuff and it just sounded horrendous six months he lasted I.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Think there's different, obviously different parts, you know what I mean,
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: and some bits are a bit more westernised and.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we were there like four, five hours
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: north of Beijing, and it was, we changed, we'd done
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: a section, then we'd drive another bit, so we covered
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: quite a distance, and we walked, apart from maybe one
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and a half days, we walked largely on bits that
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: were falling apart, so we were in the wilderness, away
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: from folk, so it was really dangerous. Yeah, I can imagine.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: But it's, we found the food and everything brilliant and
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: we had their style of food. But maybe some, we
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: had a lot of vegetables that were done a certain way.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I think we only had a couple of incidents where
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: we thought, oh man, no touching that. That thing's been
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: dead for six years.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: That sounds like Deke's plate.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: One of these places, it was a really famous restaurant
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: in one of the best restaurants in Beijing. And it
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: literally looks like what's left is certain buds and the
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: bones and everything, all really deep fried. And you're supposed
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: to eat into them and crunch them. And I'm just like,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I tried and I'll try any kind of Japanese sea slug.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: But nah, there was none for that. But the food
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: itself in general was brilliant. We couldn't believe how well
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: we were treated. How, just everything about it. They were
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. And it's a great place. Beijing, have you
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: been to Beijing?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: No.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: It's so far ahead of us. We're, in our cities
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: and stuff, we're in the Stone Age compared to Beijing.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe. And as a society, you go out,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: middle of the night, I had to go out once,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: one of our guys fell ill, and I had to
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: go to hospital with him, and the hotel sent somebody
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: with us as well. But through the middle of the night,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: two in the morning, half two, three in the morning,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: and there's, I'm looking, there are quite a wee lot
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of Chinese folk, but teenagers, and I'm saying, where have
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: these folk gone? They're out on their bikes and wheelies
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and everything on the road and everything, just pulling and
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: just enjoying themselves. And then outside the bars, you're seeing
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: 500 bikes. And this is them going out, they're having
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: a few drinks, going out to the bars, going to
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: another bar, no trouble at all. And then they'll have
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a drink and then they move on somewhere else and just, just,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: There's a cohesion about their society.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: A different world, eh?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: A cohesion. It's incredible. But, no, it was certainly, it
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: was really good, but it was hard to raise money
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: with that, I have to say. It was really hard.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: It was only nine years. But it's, that's the kind of,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the way it is now. You've just got to accept that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: And it's hard if you're doing stuff regularly and going
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: to the same people. So I did say to the foundation,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I'm quite happy if they want me try and coach
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: others to do it so that you've got to share
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: a different network of people.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I definitely recommend the Sahara. To finish off, we've got
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: some recommendations from our previous guest for you to take
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: on board.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Just for Chinese food.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Just for Chinese food. Tom Urie, your past mate.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I've met Tom a couple of times. I can't even
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: mind when, but I've met him a few times maybe
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: at function somewhere or that but he's.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Gave us a good lad he's gave us an album
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: a film and a song to recommend to yourself and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: then we want three off you for the.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Next guest is it a film they don't give a
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: series no.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: It's a film there's a film this one so the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: album is i don't know this one i'll need to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: check this on myself moon safari air not familiar with
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: it so that's your first recommendation film Sinners which I
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: believe was an award winning film.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Recently so it's a film called Sinners oh Sinners is
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: this the this is the is this not about a
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: black a section of the community all black folk but
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: there's vampires or something I.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Don't know we haven't seen it yet don't spoil it
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: don't go.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: And watch it it did say it took a weird
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: twist halfway.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Through I think it is that I think I have seen.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: It it was the same I think when they had
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: the BAFTAs on the guy I swear Johnny Davidson he
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: was shouting stuff because they were getting an award or
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: possibly talked about at the time that was that film.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: So we need to watch it and the song is
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: from the Beatles Tomorrow Never Knows I think the last
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: song on the Revolver album, I believe.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow Never. God, I might use my ink and ink
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: on the Beatles stuff.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I know, me too. I was the same with that one.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: So we need an album off you, a film and
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a song, if possible.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Well, the album, it has to be a lot of
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: folk my age's go-to, which has been in movies. I'll
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: give you a clue, it had an ode to it
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: in Trainspotting 2. Hunky Dory. You okay on it? No.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: David Bowie? No.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: David Bowie, no.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: David Bowie, Hunky Dory. You okay on it? It's absolutely brilliant.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: It's brilliant. Some of his best stuff. Best stuff, aye.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Just every single one is a knockout. That's an album.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And Trainspotting 2. When they come into the lad's house,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: they committed suicide, which was played by... Was it Kevin? Kid?
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I think. I forget, but... And when he goes into
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: his bedroom, and he's looking at it, this is years
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: and years later, and he just opens, hmm, Hunk of Dory.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: And they look at it for a wee bit, and
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: he puts it back, and it was just director having
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: a wee moment, because David Bowie had died, and a
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: wee odd two, which is one of the most amazing
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: albums ever. Every single... song on it is just outrageously perfect. Cool.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: A film and a song.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: A film. Now, is this to recommend to watch? Yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Because there's not many people that I can that'll sit
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: down and watch like what I would say is a classic, right?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: And I've watched it once a year for the past
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: 10 years is Dr Zhivago it's just unbelievable and it's
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: all about the Russian Revolution and it's old style they
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: tried to make a new version of it and it
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: was meh but old style just I have not watched
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: that I've heard of it but I've not it's absolutely
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: a rollercoaster but it's you have to sit down and
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: say I'm not answering the phone I'm not because it's
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: it's a complicated story and it's heartbreaking and it's just
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: authentic it really is it's brilliant I recommend that to
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: anybody but if you're not a person that can sit
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: down and concentrate actually concentrate then don't waste your time
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: because it's too deep you have to sort of immerse
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: yourself in it to be able to watch it and
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: it's even the cinematography so when they filmed it they
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: as far as I'm aware David Lienink it was who
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: also done Lawrence of Arabia again it's just incredible the
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: stuff that he's done he's probably the Spielberg of the
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: time back then but I gather they held the film
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: back because they wanted the cinematography to be more snowy
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: more cold, look more like what they believed, it wasn't
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: a snowy year that year in Russia so what they've
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: done is they've got loads of scenes from Canada that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they filmed the following year and immersed it into it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: as well and it just finishes off, it's just incredible
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: but aye, atmospheric just brilliant, really really brilliant so I'd
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: love to get a few's watch it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: We'll need to, we'll need to And a song, finally.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: A song, finally.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: A song. Is that many? A song that I love,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: and it's a wee bit, maybe it's because of the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: stuff I do with charity and all that, a lot
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: of stuff for the homeless, but have you heard Lindisfarne, Wintersong?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Lindisfarne?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: How do I know Lindisfarne? Lindisfarne were about in the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: The 70s, the original... Did they not do a... They
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: originally done the Fog in the Time. Aye.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Did they not do a duet with Gazza? Did Gazza
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: not sing on it with him?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Fog in the Time.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Was he in it? I'm sure he did a version
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: of it. I thought he'd done his own version. Maybe
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: they did, but I thought he'd done his own version,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: but they're brilliant. But the song itself, Kim, what it
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: means to me, it's sad because it's talking about... the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: seasons and everything can and when winter's shadow fingers first
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: caress around your toes and things like this and it
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: gets to the bit where it asks you questions about
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: do you ever think the words they use now again
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: evolution like the homeless tramp whereas we would say the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: homeless person is quite condescending the word tramp but do
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: you ever think about them freezing in the cold or
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: do you just roll over on your bed and put
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: your bedclothes high or sort of thing and it reminds
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: me of a time when I when I first started
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: out in life and I was building an extension out
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: of my house and I was doing a lot of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: stuff for a young lad and lived out in the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: countryside down at Miller Hill and here's this guy in
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: my bin in the morning we're in the middle of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: nowhere and I was like looking at Wendy what the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: hell is he doing in our bin and I was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: about to run out and chase him and it was
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: freezing cold morning and pair of old working gloves that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I'd put at the top, it was quite a big
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: bit of land we had, but there was bins at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: the top to get collected that day, and he'd seen
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: these gloves and he'd put them on, they're all holes
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: and everything, and he's like, and he walks away, Ken,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, Ken, there's actually a line
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: in that song about it, and every time I hear
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: the song I think about this, I was about to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: go mental at this poor guy, homeless guy, an old
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: man by the way, a right old man, and he
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: just opened them and he found a pair of gloves,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: put them on and away he walked, happy Ken, happy.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe a wee message of your life. But aye, so
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: it's a beautiful song, the winter song.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Winter song. Phil, you've been a tremendous guest, mate. Thanks
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: for coming on.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Look to see any of your bank of projects that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: are coming to fruition at some point.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: There's a few, like I said before, I cannae say
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: what it is, but I'll geeze a wee bell if
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I get this next time.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I'll get you back on. It's... Aye.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Nobody will afford me then. Cheers for today, Nick. Thank you.