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The Kenny Report | 13 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight. The Liberals dump net zero
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Speaker 3: and now we can finally have the energy policy choice
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Speaker 3: that this country desperately needs. The Democrats reanimate the Jeffrey
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Speaker 3: Epstein scandal with a fresh attack on Donald Trump. China
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Speaker 3: hits back at Australia over Azio's.
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Speaker 4: Claims about cyber attacks.
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Speaker 3: Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downa will join me in sport
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Speaker 3: with Robbo. I'll ask whether rugby League really should use
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Speaker 3: the term ashes, and Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson will
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Speaker 3: cover plenty, including why Jen z reckon they've got it
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Speaker 3: tougher than their parents.
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Speaker 4: Let's get into it at last.
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Speaker 3: The Liberals have ditched net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 4: Thank goodness.
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Speaker 3: They never should have signed up to it, of course
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Speaker 3: in the first place. The pledge came out of the
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Speaker 3: blue from Scott Morrison just four years ago, and the
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Speaker 3: Coalition has taken it to two elections with disastrous effect.
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Speaker 3: While Labour's pursuit of net zero has pushed power prices
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Speaker 3: up by one thousand dollars a year when they promise
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Speaker 3: to bring them down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 1: Australians deserve affordable energy and responsible emissions reduction, and the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party believes we can do both. But affordable energy
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Speaker 1: must come first.
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Speaker 4: Spot on.
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Speaker 3: Now, let me tell you what to expect in the
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Speaker 3: coming days and weeks. Much of the media will tell
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Speaker 3: you this puts the Coalition on the back foot. They'll
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Speaker 3: say it spells political strife for the coalition because people
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Speaker 3: in the cities want net zero. Many politicians Labor, the
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Speaker 3: Greens and the Teals or the Teals, they'll all.
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Speaker 4: Say the same.
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Speaker 3: They wish it were so, because the real impact of
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Speaker 3: the policy switch is much more.
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Speaker 4: Prospective than all that.
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Speaker 3: Now, sure, even some moderate Liberals and their supporters will
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Speaker 3: be worried. They'll be seeing this at best as an
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Speaker 3: attempt to remove a barnacle, and they'll try to move
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Speaker 3: on to other issues. But they are wrong. This must
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Speaker 3: be the opposite approach. The Coalition now needs to make
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Speaker 3: this their main issue, their main cause. This issue is
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Speaker 3: not only this policy switch that the country needs. It's
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Speaker 3: the political battle where the Coalition can turn the tide
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Speaker 3: on the unholy alliance between Labor and the Greens and
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Speaker 3: the Teals and the ABC and the other leftist media
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Speaker 3: and the corporate do good as too.
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Speaker 1: You are paying too much for your power and it's
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Speaker 1: not okay. Labour went to two elections promising you that
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Speaker 1: they would deliver cheaper electricity and instead power bills are
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Speaker 1: going up forty percent and that's not okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Coalition needs to go on the attack over
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Speaker 3: this today, tomorrow and every day until the next election.
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Speaker 3: Because energy costs are the cost of living. Energy costs
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Speaker 3: are the future of the economy. Energy costs are the
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Speaker 3: key to jobs, investment, improve living standards, reducing government debt
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Speaker 3: and making government affordable again.
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Speaker 4: And energy costs.
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Speaker 3: Are also central to building national security as we construct
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Speaker 3: the armed forces we need to defend our country. So
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Speaker 3: this is not a niche issue. This is front and
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Speaker 3: center and along the way. It is the perfect policy
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Speaker 3: argument to unmask the political green left, to expose their
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Speaker 3: lies and deceptions. For instance, have a look at this
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Speaker 3: from the Climate Council today. They've already called the Liberal
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Speaker 3: decision a disaster for the cl climate and they claim
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Speaker 3: it will lead to more fires, floods and heat waves.
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Speaker 3: This is arrant nonsense, blatant lies, and it's time the
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Speaker 3: Coalition started taking this stuff head on. We asked the
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Speaker 3: Climate Council onto the program for an interview, but of
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Speaker 3: course they de client. They would of course decline their
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Speaker 3: stuff is laughable and it's maliciously misleading. They must know
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Speaker 3: that Australian policies and actions on their own cannot have
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Speaker 3: any effect on the climate. They know that global emissions
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Speaker 3: are increasing regardless of whatever tinkering in Australia does with
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Speaker 3: its one percent share of global emissions.
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Speaker 4: And the Climate.
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Speaker 3: Council also knows that The coalition says it will reduce
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Speaker 3: emissions like it did last time it was in power,
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Speaker 3: and Labor is struggling to do now, which is why
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Speaker 3: the Coalition says it can stay in the Paris Agreement
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Speaker 3: at the same time time it scraps the net zero
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Speaker 3: by twenty fifty pledge.
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Speaker 1: This is constibly evolving because look at what countries are
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Speaker 1: doing now under the Paris Agreement with their NDCs. They're
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Speaker 1: submitting NDCs that they probably know they can never keep.
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Speaker 1: What we are doing is being honest with the Australian people.
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Speaker 1: You have a government that has promised you too things
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Speaker 1: that it has not delivered. Affordable energy and reducing emissions,
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Speaker 1: and it hasn't done either.
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Speaker 3: This is not only a great argument for the Coalition
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Speaker 3: to have, it's the debate the country needs. It's the
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Speaker 3: most important policy area for our future prosperity or otherwise.
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Speaker 3: And if you think Labor, the Greens and the Tills
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Speaker 3: really believe this is a problem for the coalition, then
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Speaker 3: look at how their actions betray their real feelings. The
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister went out this morning ahead of the Liberal announcement,
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Speaker 3: using yesterday's news about a new treaty negotiation with Indonesia
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Speaker 3: as a pretext for having a crack at the opposition.
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Speaker 5: And while I was with President, of course, focused on
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Speaker 5: delivering for Australians and delivering on our national interest, the
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Speaker 5: Liberals were conducting the first of four meetings in Canberra,
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Speaker 5: focused on themselves and each other. The Coalition, choosing to
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Speaker 5: take Australia backwards.
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Speaker 3: Even tried to stir the partisan pot by referring to
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Speaker 3: yesterday's group of leading Conservatives entering to the Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: meeting together.
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Speaker 5: This was a sign of opposition to Susan Lay's leadership
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Speaker 5: and it was a rather extraordinary moment and the pictures
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Speaker 5: was very deliberate for people to gather beforehand information, information
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Speaker 5: in order to send that message. And that message was
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Speaker 5: surely received. Not so much by the party room because
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Speaker 5: that's a matter for them, their clown show that they've become.
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Speaker 5: It was a sign of for the Australian people of
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Speaker 5: how divided they are.
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Speaker 4: Clown show from the nation's leader.
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Speaker 3: This was a pretty unedifying effort, playing politics like a
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Speaker 3: state opposition leader rather than a prime minister. It was
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Speaker 3: a reminder of what drives Albanezi in politics.
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Speaker 5: I like fighting tories.
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Speaker 4: That's what I do. That's what I do. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 4: what he does.
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Speaker 3: But the response also showed how worried he is about
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Speaker 3: this climate and energy policy debate.
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Speaker 4: It's got him flapping about already.
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Speaker 5: They're walking away from climate action because they fundamentally do
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Speaker 5: not believe in the science in climate change.
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Speaker 3: That's just not true. He knows it's not true. It's
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Speaker 3: made up. As we've seen, the coalition still will reduce
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Speaker 3: emissions where possible, and if Albo wants to stick to
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Speaker 3: the science, then he needs to admit that Australia's actions
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Speaker 3: cannot change the climate anyway. Albanese's climate retric doesn't align
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Speaker 3: with any sensible authority. It aligns with the Greens.
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Speaker 6: I just shake my head at what is coming out
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Speaker 6: of the Liberal Party today. And this is a party
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Speaker 6: that clearly denies the science of climate change, doesn't care
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Speaker 6: about the future in the protection of our environment for
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Speaker 6: future generations.
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Speaker 3: Picked the difference between Albanizi and the Greens and from
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Speaker 3: the Albanese Labor Party and from the Greens, there's the
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Speaker 3: same lies about renewables and costs that we've heard endless
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Speaker 3: now for years.
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Speaker 5: What we know is that renewables are the cheapest form
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Speaker 5: of energy. We're making sure that we back that up
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Speaker 5: with batteries and with gas as well for firm and capacity,
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Speaker 5: and that is the way to deliver the path of
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Speaker 5: that Australia needs.
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Speaker 3: Again, this is patently untrue. That's why power prices are
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Speaker 3: at record highs and still increasing, the opposite to what
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Speaker 3: Labor promised, even though alban Easy and his minister Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen have had four years of pushing renewables. Energy expert
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Speaker 3: Aiden Morrison told us last night what to expect under
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Speaker 3: the Labor, Greens and Teal's plan.
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Speaker 7: At the moment, we've tried the renewable energy roll out
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Speaker 7: experiment and it's stalled totally completely. There is just no
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Speaker 7: new private money that is pushing into renewable energy. Because
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Speaker 7: the honeymoon is ended. We're now at the point we
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Speaker 7: have to build the expense stuff, all the things to
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Speaker 7: keep the grid stable, all the storage to move the
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Speaker 7: energy around the clock, around the calendar, around the country.
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Speaker 7: So renewable energy gets more expensive from here onwards.
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Speaker 4: It always will do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Susainly might well have her internal critics and problems,
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Speaker 3: and the Coalition might well need to lift their game
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Speaker 3: on selling and advocating their policies. But more gas fired
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Speaker 3: generation and keeping coal fire generators going longer will be
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Speaker 3: crucial at least until nuclear can provide emissions free base
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Speaker 3: load power, and we need to put the brakes on
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Speaker 3: the renewables roll out before the country's overburdened by transmission
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Speaker 3: lines and their ongoing costs. This is not only the
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Speaker 3: right policy choice for the coalition, this is the policy
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Speaker 3: choice the country desperately needs. After a decade of national
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Speaker 3: energy self harm. We deserve to have a viable alterna.
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Speaker 3: The Epstein scandal has been reanimated against US President Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: with the Democrats releasing three emails, they say implicate Trump.
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Speaker 3: In one of the emails from twenty eleven, Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 3: says Trump spent hours at his house with Virginia Giuffrey,
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Speaker 3: the leading Epstein accuser who took her life last year
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Speaker 3: and whose revelations about former Prince Andrew proved so damaging.
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Speaker 3: Just how this damages Trump is unclear, because we all
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Speaker 3: know that Trump knew Epstein, and in her memoir, Giuffrey
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Speaker 3: recounted meeting Trump and former Democrat President Bill Clinton, but
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Speaker 3: didn't link them to Epstein's crimes or make any allegations
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Speaker 3: against them.
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Speaker 8: These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that
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Speaker 8: President Trump did nothing wrong.
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Speaker 3: In another email in two thousand and nine, when Trump
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Speaker 3: was president, Epstein claimed that Trump knew about the girls,
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Speaker 3: but also said he'd asked Epstein's partner to stop.
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Speaker 8: It is not a coincidence that the Democrats leaked these
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Speaker 8: emails to the Fake News this morning ahead of Republicans
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Speaker 8: reopening the government. This administration has done more with respect
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Speaker 8: to transparency when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein than any
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Speaker 8: administration ever.
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Speaker 3: What this really shows is that the Democrats are getting
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Speaker 3: back to the same political strategy the I've employed unsuccessfully
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Speaker 3: now for the past decade. That is, attack Trump relentlessly
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Speaker 3: and where possible, with law fare.
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Speaker 9: He campaigned on releasing all the Epstein files, obsessed about it,
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Speaker 9: his vice president obsessed about it, and now the White
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Speaker 9: House is involved in a massive cover up and we
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Speaker 9: want to know why won't they release the files.
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Speaker 3: Look, Trump did promise to release all the Epstein files,
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Speaker 3: raising expectations that he hasn't fulfilled, and the more transparency
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Speaker 3: we get on this and other issues, the better.
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Speaker 4: But unless something dramatic is revealed.
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Speaker 3: We're left with third rate conspiracy theories for now, as
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Speaker 3: if we haven't had enough of.
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Speaker 4: Them in recent years.
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Speaker 3: While we're on Trump and third rate conspiracy theories for
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Speaker 3: that matter, let me update you on the controversy at
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Speaker 3: the BBC and our ABC when it comes to their
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Speaker 3: malicious editing of US President Donald Trump's speech back on
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Speaker 3: the day of the Capitol Hill riot in.
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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 3: Overnight, the President has confirmed that he's pressing ahead with
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Speaker 3: legal action against the BBC because he says he can't
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Speaker 3: just allow these deceptions to go unchallenged, and he hinted
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Speaker 3: that the dishonest reporting by a government owned broadcaster impacted
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Speaker 3: on the relationship.
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Speaker 10: This is supposedly agreed to BBC. The government has a
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Speaker 10: chunk of that one, I guess. But that's pretty sad
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Speaker 10: event they actually change my January sixth speech, which was
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Speaker 10: a beautiful speech, which was a very calming speech, and
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Speaker 10: they made it sound radical.
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Speaker 3: Now that's a problem for the BBC, but it's also
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Speaker 3: pretty worrying for the ABC because, as I revealed on Monday,
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Speaker 3: they committed the very same journalistic sin as the BBC,
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Speaker 3: taking a similar clip of Trump's speech, editing out what
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Speaker 3: the President said he wanted the crowds to do at
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Speaker 3: the Capitol and instead cutting to words that could be
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Speaker 3: interpreted as encouraging violence.
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Speaker 11: Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious
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Speaker 11: assault on our democracy.
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Speaker 12: And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll
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Speaker 12: be there with you. Because you'll never take back our
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Speaker 12: country with weakness.
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Speaker 10: You have to show strength and you have to be strong.
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Speaker 11: Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious
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Speaker 11: assault on our democracy.
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Speaker 12: And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll
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Speaker 12: be there with you. We're going to walk down. We're
15:04
Speaker 12: going to walk down anyone you want. But I think
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Speaker 12: right here, we're going to walk down to the Capital
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Speaker 12: and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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Speaker 12: congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be
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Speaker 12: cheering so much for some of them, because you'll never
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Speaker 12: take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength,
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Speaker 12: and you have to be strong.
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Speaker 4: Well, as you know.
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Speaker 3: The ABC Managing director Hugh Mark says this was all fine.
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Speaker 3: In fact, he's hailed it as outstanding journalism, and the
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Speaker 3: ABC hasn't commented on another four corners use of that
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Speaker 3: same speech.
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Speaker 13: Refusing to accept his defeat at the hands of Joe Biden,
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Speaker 13: Trump told his supporters to mark on the US Capital.
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Speaker 12: Can faith?
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Speaker 14: Can we fight.
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Speaker 4: Fate?
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Speaker 12: Like how You're not going to have a country?
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Speaker 3: And the ABC must be worried that the White House
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Speaker 3: might notice these examples too and take up legal action
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Speaker 3: like they have against the BBC.
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Speaker 4: We will see they might get lucky.
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Speaker 3: But I noticed overnight that our friend and colleague Miranda
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Speaker 3: de Vine retweeted my story to her almost a million followers,
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Speaker 3: and she noted that the ABC is every bit as
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Speaker 3: bad as the BBC. Now given Miranda writes.
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Speaker 4: For the New York Posts.
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Speaker 3: She hosts a major podcast for them as well, and
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Speaker 3: interviews Trump and JD.
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Speaker 4: Vance and the range of other serious players. There's just
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Speaker 4: a chance that someone in Washington might notice.
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Speaker 3: Let's go now to former Foreign Minister of this great country,
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Speaker 3: Alexander Downer.
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Speaker 4: He joins us in Adelaide. Good to talk to, Alexander.
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Speaker 4: There's a few.
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Speaker 3: Issues I want to run past you. But the first up,
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Speaker 3: let's st'll start with China. We know that the ASA
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Speaker 3: chief Mike Burgess pointed out a number of startling facts
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Speaker 3: in a speech last week, and he talked about cyber
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Speaker 3: attacks and he certainly focused on China, and China has
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Speaker 3: hit back that they again say Australia's attacking them and unfairly.
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Speaker 4: So what do we expect to flow from this?
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Speaker 15: Well, why would we be surprised that the spokesman for
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Speaker 15: the Foreign Ministry would say something like that. But Mike
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Speaker 15: Burgess is quite right. China has been hacking into, or
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Speaker 15: trying to hack into, vulnerable infrastructure, government departments, security apparatus
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Speaker 15: and so on in Australia for a long time. I'm
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Speaker 15: very familiar with these attempts that they've been making over
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Speaker 15: many years and as underlines how vulnerable we are. I mean,
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Speaker 15: what China wants to do, be able to do, if
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Speaker 15: it ever came to it is closed down our communications system,
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Speaker 15: closed down, our capacity to communicate with each other, our
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Speaker 15: financial markets, banks, and so the list goes on. So
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Speaker 15: countering this kind of attack from China is a huge
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Speaker 15: priority for the agencies in the Australian government.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's a reminder of some of what Mike Burgess
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Speaker 4: had to say.
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Speaker 16: Asia is aware of one nation state and no prize
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Speaker 16: is for guessing who conducting multiple attempts to scan and
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Speaker 16: penetrate critical infrastructure in Australia and other five eysed countries
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Speaker 16: targeting water, transport, telecommunications and energy network.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no prize for guessing who.
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Speaker 3: But as you say, Alexander, it's not surprising that you
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Speaker 3: get that statement in response from the Chinese Foreign Minister spokesperson.
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Speaker 3: But I suppose my point is, given the economic sanctions
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Speaker 3: and other sanctions against Australia we've seen in the last
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Speaker 3: few years from China, is if not that Mike Burgers
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Speaker 3: shouldn't be saying this is a good thing.
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Speaker 4: He's saying it publicly. But do you think there could
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Speaker 4: be repercussions again for Australia.
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Speaker 15: No, I don't think there will be repercussions, and I
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Speaker 15: agree with you that Mike Burgess has done precisely the
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Speaker 15: right thing to make these concerns public. But what this
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Speaker 15: does do is underline the huge importance of our alliance network,
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Speaker 15: our alliance with the United States, with relationship with Japan,
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Speaker 15: and so the list goes on. These relationships are critically
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Speaker 15: important if collectively we're going to be able to defend
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Speaker 15: ourselves from these sorts of cyber attacks. I mean, this
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Speaker 15: is the new world. We're very dependent on the digital economy,
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Speaker 15: our energy systems, the firming capacity as they like to
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Speaker 15: say in the government, the backup for the windmills, that's
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Speaker 15: very dependent on computer technology, our data centers which drive
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Speaker 15: AI in Australia. All of these capacities are vulnerable to
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Speaker 15: cyber attack from China, and we need to work with
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Speaker 15: the Americans, the British, the Japanese to make sure that
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Speaker 15: we're successfully able to counter this.
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Speaker 3: Now, surprise announcement this week from Anthony Albanesi that he's
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Speaker 3: negotiating a security treaty with Indonesia, not a lot of
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Speaker 3: detail on that yet, what's your observation of whether this
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Speaker 3: is a good move and what we're likely to see.
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Speaker 15: I think it's just a rehash of the Lombok Treaty,
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Speaker 15: which I negotiated way back in two thousand and five
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Speaker 15: two thousand and six. Indeed, the claim by Albanesi and
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Speaker 15: Penny Wong that they've got language where we will consult
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Speaker 15: each other in the event of an attack on either
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Speaker 15: country was language which was already incorporated in two thousand
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Speaker 15: and six into the Lombok Treaty. So it looks to
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Speaker 15: me as though every time they meet with the Indonesians
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Speaker 15: they want to try to counter the fact that the
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Speaker 15: Howard government negotiated this historic treaty all those years ago
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Speaker 15: and claim something for labor. I mean, I noticed President
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Speaker 15: Proboo not enthusiasm as enthusiastic about this treaty as Albanesi was.
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Speaker 15: For good reason, because President Praboo knows that already years ago,
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Speaker 15: nineteen years ago, the Indonesians signed up to this defense
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Speaker 15: relationship with Australia.
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Speaker 3: And just finally got to get your thoughts on the
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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein scandal being targeted and targeted at Donald Trump again.
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Speaker 3: This is one I think that we'll be hanging around
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Speaker 3: him till he's out of the White House.
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Speaker 15: He knew Jeffrey Epstein, so did the Clintons, so did
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Speaker 15: all sorts of establishment figures in New York City. He
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Speaker 15: was at the heart of the social scene in New
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Speaker 15: York City. And the Democrats, I mean, just throwing mud
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Speaker 15: and hoping some of it will stick. My view is
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Speaker 15: that for the average punter out there in the United States,
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Speaker 15: they wouldn't care less about this. It's obvious that President
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Speaker 15: Trump back in those days didn't do anything untoward or
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Speaker 15: anything illegal with the girls. As perfectly obvious that, as
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Speaker 15: Caroline Levitt says, the one thing all this does prove
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Speaker 15: is that President Trump had done nothing wrong. I mean
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Speaker 15: to say that he knew someone or he met someone
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Speaker 15: and he's somehow guilty. That is absurd, It's pathetic. It's
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Speaker 15: pathetic party politics.
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Speaker 3: And he, in fact, he worked out he was a greup,
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Speaker 3: punted him and had nothing to do with him, while
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Speaker 3: a bunch of leading Democrats were still hanging out with him.
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Speaker 4: Fascinating stuff. Thanks for joining us, Alexander, I appreciate it. Alexander.
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Speaker 3: Down to their life from Adelaide, the former Foreign Minister
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Speaker 3: of Australia, longest serving foreign minister of this country.
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Speaker 4: We're going to take a break.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to catch up with the Shadow Minister for
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Speaker 3: Energy Dan t and he's been delayed, so let's take
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Speaker 3: a break.
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Speaker 4: We'll catch up with him after the break.
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Speaker 3: And also going to catch up with a spokesperson from
23:47
Speaker 3: the coal industry. Do they have a new future under
23:50
Speaker 3: this policy? Just go do more on the Liberals now
23:57
Speaker 3: ditching net zero by twenty fifty. They've committed to what
23:59
Speaker 3: they say is using all our energy strength, ensuring that
24:03
Speaker 3: coal plants aren't closed prematurely, while bringing on new supply faster,
24:08
Speaker 3: including gas and perhaps new coal.
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Speaker 4: Here's Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: Today, State governments who have their own climate targets are
24:15
Speaker 1: already extending the life of coal fire pass stations because
24:19
Speaker 1: they have to keep the lights on. You need base
24:22
Speaker 1: load power, you need it in the right place, you
24:24
Speaker 1: need it at the right time. You need it to
24:27
Speaker 1: provide a inertia to the grid and it is what
24:30
Speaker 1: keeps the lights on. So we technology agnostic when it
24:34
Speaker 1: comes to pulling every lever that we can to make
24:37
Speaker 1: sure that Australians have reliable, affordable power.
24:42
Speaker 3: Let's catch up with Michelle Manok, who's the chief executive
24:45
Speaker 3: of Future Coal, a London based body representing the world's
24:48
Speaker 3: major coal producers. She's in Australia so speak at the
24:51
Speaker 3: National Press Club next week and she joins me in
24:53
Speaker 3: the studio.
24:54
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Michelle, thanks for having tell us.
24:56
Speaker 3: Firstly, on the global scale, everybody has been predicting for
25:00
Speaker 3: so long sort of peak coal, but at the moment,
25:03
Speaker 3: demand and.
25:03
Speaker 4: Use of coal is still increasing, isn't it globally?
25:06
Speaker 9: Yep.
25:07
Speaker 17: And I think it's been really important to understand that
25:09
Speaker 17: the debate very much, particularly in the areas like Asia,
25:13
Speaker 17: China and India, particularly the two largest coal based economies.
25:17
Speaker 17: The conversation around coal is really about energy, affordability, reliability, security.
25:22
Speaker 17: But there's no dismissal about you know, lowering those emissions
25:26
Speaker 17: and working through the technologies that make sense. But really
25:30
Speaker 17: there's a real focus on prosperity and not on politicizing
25:33
Speaker 17: the issues around coal.
25:35
Speaker 3: Well, that's what lists people out of poverty, is affordable,
25:39
Speaker 3: reliable energy.
25:40
Speaker 4: Now that's what's happened here. Is there any other country
25:42
Speaker 4: in the world.
25:43
Speaker 3: Is there anything comparable to Australia where they we have
25:46
Speaker 3: such vast coal resources.
25:49
Speaker 4: Yet we're choosing to try not to use them.
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Speaker 17: Well, I mean, this is actually just not even a
25:53
Speaker 17: question about coal. And even though I do represent a
25:56
Speaker 17: global coal body, many of my members and I think
25:58
Speaker 17: it's surprising for people to know or actually in other
26:02
Speaker 17: energy fuels and technologies like renewables, this is actually just
26:06
Speaker 17: a question about what's right, what's affordable, what's reliable, what's secure,
26:10
Speaker 17: and you know, what's the best available technology to make
26:13
Speaker 17: that right for the environment. And that's often going to
26:16
Speaker 17: be a combination. You need a pragmatic energy system that
26:20
Speaker 17: really looks at baseload and that reliability, but also can
26:24
Speaker 17: deliver you know, all of the kind of energy access
26:27
Speaker 17: and affordability that we need. So it's got to be
26:30
Speaker 17: a much more inclusive discussion than it is at the moment.
26:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're are crossroads now because the current renewables policy,
26:37
Speaker 3: driven by Labor and the Greens, aims to get.
26:39
Speaker 4: Rid of all coal.
26:41
Speaker 3: You'd have renewables with maybe some fossil fuel gas firming,
26:45
Speaker 3: not that that seems to be possible.
26:47
Speaker 4: No country's really been able to do that.
26:49
Speaker 3: But if we were to change to this liberal policy,
26:51
Speaker 3: and out today, which is more ecumenical if you like,
26:55
Speaker 3: Would there be a long term future for coal in Australia?
26:59
Speaker 3: Are there ways to burn and call cleaner and more
27:02
Speaker 3: efficiently than we.
27:03
Speaker 4: Do it now?
27:03
Speaker 17: Yeah, there's definitely technologies lower missions technologies that exist that
27:07
Speaker 17: really support that. Many of those are already embraced and
27:11
Speaker 17: being deployed in countries like China. So it's actually quite
27:14
Speaker 17: wrong when people say that there's no way to actually
27:16
Speaker 17: lower the emissions. A lot of those things are happening
27:19
Speaker 17: today and can happen. I think what we're hearing today
27:23
Speaker 17: out of the liberals is what's about pragmatic, you know,
27:26
Speaker 17: being pragmatic and being absolutely realistic. We know that in
27:30
Speaker 17: order to lower emissions that that net zero target, we
27:33
Speaker 17: would literally have to have that global shut down annually
27:38
Speaker 17: for the next you know, two decades. It's just not realistic.
27:41
Speaker 17: And we know what the cost of this transition looks like.
27:45
Speaker 17: That's not realistic, you know, So we've really got to
27:48
Speaker 17: have a death you know, a debate that's much much
27:51
Speaker 17: more sensible and much more pragmatic and looking at people's
27:55
Speaker 17: lives and livelihoods and what that you know, what that
27:58
Speaker 17: means and it's disappointing to see that, you know, in
28:02
Speaker 17: Western countries in particular, we're so far behind in actually
28:07
Speaker 17: looking at you know why it's important to think about,
28:11
Speaker 17: you know, why our community deserves a good life.
28:13
Speaker 3: What about carbon capture and stories. Surely that's the olderata.
28:17
Speaker 3: If you could perfect that technology, then coal becomes clean
28:20
Speaker 3: effectively in terms of the atmosphere. Are we close to
28:24
Speaker 3: that sort of technology or is it a part during it?
28:27
Speaker 17: And no, that technology is certainly there, it's existing and
28:31
Speaker 17: it can be deployed in the right environment. And again,
28:34
Speaker 17: once AGAINSS is the key presu Well, China's actually doing
28:38
Speaker 17: a great project there at the moment on a coal
28:40
Speaker 17: based plant. It's capturing you know, one point five million
28:43
Speaker 17: tons annually at a capture rate of US you know,
28:47
Speaker 17: thirty dollars, and that's actually cheaper than the ETS scheme
28:51
Speaker 17: in Europe at the moment, you know, by far. So again,
28:54
Speaker 17: we're looking for a policy environment that's just fair and equitable,
28:57
Speaker 17: you know, level the playing field and allow all the
29:00
Speaker 17: fuels and all the technologies to compete.
29:02
Speaker 3: Mischell, thanks for coming in and good luck at the
29:05
Speaker 3: press club next week. It'll be like the Antichrist turning
29:07
Speaker 3: up down there. It'll be interested to see how it goes.
29:11
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Michelle Minuk there from the Future Coal Organization.
29:16
Speaker 4: She'll be speaking at the Press Club. It's pretty much
29:18
Speaker 4: a lefty show down there.
29:19
Speaker 3: They won't take too kindly to anybody saying nice things
29:22
Speaker 3: about coal, even though it's coal fired energy that's lifted
29:25
Speaker 3: most of the world out of poverty over the past
29:27
Speaker 3: hundred years.
29:28
Speaker 4: We've got to take a break. On the other side,
29:30
Speaker 4: Robbie will join us.
29:31
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask him where the rugby league really
29:34
Speaker 3: should use the term the ashes. What are the ashes
29:37
Speaker 3: got to do with rugby league? I have some more
29:43
Speaker 3: on the issue of the day, that is the Liberal's
29:45
Speaker 3: new climate policy and their abandoning of net zero by
29:48
Speaker 3: twenty fifty. But some interesting comments by a senior businessman
29:52
Speaker 3: in Australia today. Sandy've gandhy your heads up. Ourica very
29:55
Speaker 3: crucial in the resources industry, and he says, yeah, the
29:58
Speaker 3: twenty fifty is too much of a rush have Look, if.
30:02
Speaker 18: I look at major economies like China and India, they've
30:04
Speaker 18: taken a more pragmatic approach. So, for example, they're talking
30:07
Speaker 18: about twenty sixty, even twenty seventy. I think that's a
30:10
Speaker 18: bit more realistic now. So having a hard target of
30:12
Speaker 18: twenty fifty I don't think that's very sensible. But continuing
30:16
Speaker 18: on the journey of decarbonization is exactly the right thing
30:19
Speaker 18: to do, and Orica will not stop that.
30:21
Speaker 4: Let's go to the mound of the moment.
30:22
Speaker 3: Then, Shadow Energy Minister Dan ten joins us live from
30:25
Speaker 3: camera Parliament House camera.
30:27
Speaker 4: Good to speak to you, Dan.
30:28
Speaker 3: I want to try and get through a bit very
30:30
Speaker 3: quickly here.
30:30
Speaker 4: So try and have some short answers.
30:32
Speaker 3: Right, Your priority now the Liberals is going to be
30:37
Speaker 3: energy affordability and reliability and reducing emissions as a second
30:42
Speaker 3: order priority. Right, So how are you going to get prices.
30:46
Speaker 4: Down energy abundance, Chris.
30:50
Speaker 19: We want to make sure we bring all our natural
30:52
Speaker 19: resources to the task. As you know, one of the
30:56
Speaker 19: number one principles of economics is if you put supply
31:00
Speaker 19: into the market, you drive downward pressure on prices.
31:02
Speaker 3: So how do you get more gas fired generation into
31:06
Speaker 3: the market quickly?
31:08
Speaker 19: Well, you add it to the capacity investment scheme. You
31:11
Speaker 19: make sure you've got annual leases been released. You're making
31:16
Speaker 19: sure that you're doing everything you can to get more
31:20
Speaker 19: gas on board. You're making sure that you're happy to
31:24
Speaker 19: work with states and in sweating coal assets. There's making
31:29
Speaker 19: sure that we lift the nuclear band so in the
31:32
Speaker 19: future we can bring zero emissions free nuclear into the grid.
31:36
Speaker 19: We want to bring everything, all our natural resources that
31:40
Speaker 19: we have as a country to bear in this task.
31:44
Speaker 3: It's hard to understand why anybody would oppose lifting the
31:48
Speaker 3: nuclear band, but that will be a hell of a
31:50
Speaker 3: task to get that through any sen at any time.
31:53
Speaker 4: But if you can get rid.
31:53
Speaker 3: Of the ban, are you going to argue that nuclear
31:56
Speaker 3: only happens if it's commercial, there'll be no government subsidized
32:00
Speaker 3: subsidies of nuclear.
32:03
Speaker 19: Well, what we want to do is make sure that
32:07
Speaker 19: government would have a role when it comes to safety,
32:10
Speaker 19: government would have a role when it comes to regulation. Obviously,
32:15
Speaker 19: where we need to we would incentivize nuclear to be
32:20
Speaker 19: part of our electricity grid like we do with other
32:23
Speaker 19: forms of energy. So we have more than happy to
32:27
Speaker 19: do that. But we want to bring private capital to
32:30
Speaker 19: bear to this task, like what is occurring in the
32:34
Speaker 19: United States, as you're seen with AI with data centers.
32:39
Speaker 19: Everyone is looking to see how they can go about
32:44
Speaker 19: getting more energy and we want to make sure that
32:47
Speaker 19: we're looking at all forms to be able to bring
32:50
Speaker 19: that here to Australia, so that we know that when
32:53
Speaker 19: it comes to AI and data centers, when it comes
32:56
Speaker 19: to what's going to be happening globally, we still another
32:58
Speaker 19: four and a half five billion people to be lifted
33:01
Speaker 19: out of poverty.
33:02
Speaker 4: That we're bringing all.
33:04
Speaker 19: Our natural resources to bear in that task.
33:06
Speaker 3: Now you talk about sweating those coal assets, that's already happening.
33:10
Speaker 3: State governments are subsidizing coal generation to keep it going
33:13
Speaker 3: because we need it, even though all the state and
33:15
Speaker 3: federal policies are aimed at driving it out. Doesn't that
33:19
Speaker 3: mean there's no chance for any new coal generation because
33:22
Speaker 3: the market is so stacked against them.
33:26
Speaker 4: Well, we want to.
33:27
Speaker 19: You know, this is a very liberal party policy that
33:31
Speaker 19: we're taking, and that's why when it comes to energy abundance,
33:35
Speaker 19: when it comes to energy affordability for households, we want
33:38
Speaker 19: to bring all our natural resources to that effort and
33:42
Speaker 19: all technology to that effort. In the same way with
33:44
Speaker 19: emissions reduction, we want to bring all technologies to that
33:48
Speaker 19: task as well, whether it be carbon capture and storage,
33:51
Speaker 19: whether it be zero emissions, nuclear why wouldn't you use
33:57
Speaker 19: market fundamentals as a liberal party as a coalition to
34:02
Speaker 19: this task, And that's what we're seeking to do now.
34:05
Speaker 3: Apart from explaining your own policy options, are you going
34:07
Speaker 3: to make this year number one priority as a government
34:09
Speaker 3: to attack what's happening now the complete undermining of our
34:13
Speaker 3: energy grid? And as part of that, are you prepared
34:16
Speaker 3: to call out the constant lies that somehow Australia's environmental
34:21
Speaker 3: policies are going to change the global climate when anybody
34:24
Speaker 3: with any understanding of the science and the economics and
34:27
Speaker 3: the engineering knows that that simply is not the case.
34:32
Speaker 19: We are absolutely going to call the government out for
34:36
Speaker 19: all their lives. As you know, we're meant to have
34:39
Speaker 19: a two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction in our
34:42
Speaker 19: power bills by the end of this year, and the
34:44
Speaker 19: Prime Minister stated on over ninety occasions that that is
34:49
Speaker 19: what was going to happen, and we've seen nothing of
34:52
Speaker 19: the type what we'll also do.
34:54
Speaker 4: But I'm sort of jump in there.
34:55
Speaker 3: We're seeing people like Anthony Albanezi and Sarah Hanson Young
34:58
Speaker 3: and all sorts of others scaring our kids by saying
35:02
Speaker 3: changing our policies here, we're going to have more droughts,
35:04
Speaker 3: more fires, more floods, god knows what else when anybody
35:08
Speaker 3: who understands the science knows that's not true. And I'm
35:11
Speaker 3: not arguing Australia should do nothing. Of course we could
35:14
Speaker 3: should try and do our bit, but we have to
35:16
Speaker 3: be realistic with people and them understand whatever happens to
35:20
Speaker 3: the climate is going to happen to us regardless of
35:23
Speaker 3: what we do with our one percent or less of
35:25
Speaker 3: global emissions.
35:28
Speaker 19: Yeah, you know, climate change is a global issue and
35:32
Speaker 19: it needs a global solution. That's absolutely clear. Now, we
35:35
Speaker 19: need to do our fair share, and we're put in
35:38
Speaker 19: place and mechanism for us to be able to do that.
35:42
Speaker 19: But you know, we need to do our bid, but
35:44
Speaker 19: also what we need to see is the rest of
35:46
Speaker 19: the world to do their bid. And you know, as
35:49
Speaker 19: you're very very aware, at the moment, there is a
35:53
Speaker 19: cop that is taking place. Countries are meant to put
35:57
Speaker 19: their nationally determined contribute in as part of that COP process.
36:02
Speaker 19: I think at the current moment there are one hundred
36:04
Speaker 19: and thirty five countries which haven't done so at present.
36:08
Speaker 19: So you know what we've got to do is be
36:11
Speaker 19: realistic as to what's happening with regards to the global picture,
36:15
Speaker 19: but at the same time be responsible ourselves and do
36:17
Speaker 19: our fishit.
36:18
Speaker 4: Dan ten thanks for joining us. Been a big week
36:21
Speaker 4: for you.
36:21
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Dan Tee and the other shadow energy minister.
36:25
Speaker 3: I want to get on the sport now. Would he
36:26
Speaker 3: love to have our Thursday sports catch up with Mark Robinson,
36:29
Speaker 3: former chief footy writer for The Herald.
36:31
Speaker 4: Some good to talk to you, Robo. Not too bad.
36:35
Speaker 3: I've got to start off with a bugbear of mine.
36:38
Speaker 3: Living as I do in a non Aussie rule state.
36:41
Speaker 3: There's a lot of league and union action here and
36:45
Speaker 3: a power to all of them.
36:46
Speaker 4: Let a thousand flowers bloom. Love all sports. I've even
36:49
Speaker 4: been to.
36:49
Speaker 3: A few NRL games, but it kind of knocks me
36:52
Speaker 3: for six when they talk about the League Ashes, the
36:56
Speaker 3: Kangaroo's playing England and calling it the Ashes.
36:58
Speaker 4: Have a listen.
37:00
Speaker 8: First, the Kangaroos have completed an Ashes clean sweep with
37:03
Speaker 8: victory in the third and final.
37:05
Speaker 19: Test, Garus completing the Ashes sweep with a twenty two
37:08
Speaker 19: point win.
37:10
Speaker 3: Mate, they never burned any bales for rugby league games.
37:14
Speaker 3: They shouldn't pinch crickets sacred ashes.
37:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not against to there.
37:21
Speaker 13: You know, the discussion today has been about the next
37:23
Speaker 13: zero I mentioned, but on this issue, I think the
37:26
Speaker 13: rabby League people who have got next zero integrity. I
37:30
Speaker 13: mean the ashes in cricket started in eighteen eighty two
37:33
Speaker 13: when the first bales were done. It's been gone for
37:38
Speaker 13: one hundred and forty five years. I hate it when
37:41
Speaker 13: sports skyrocket or parachute into the traditions of other sports.
37:48
Speaker 13: It's just a little bug bear on with you on this.
37:50
Speaker 4: If you're going to come up and want something.
37:52
Speaker 13: Gimmicky to sell this Test series, come up with something new,
37:58
Speaker 13: don't borrow and steal one hundred and forty five years
38:02
Speaker 13: of tradition.
38:03
Speaker 4: Spot spot on Robbo. We agree on that one. Let's
38:06
Speaker 4: go to the real ashes. I can't wait.
38:08
Speaker 3: We're only a week or so away from the first Test.
38:11
Speaker 3: Ben Stokes, the English champion, has been talking about it.
38:15
Speaker 4: Let's have a listen to Ben.
38:16
Speaker 20: From my personal experience, I feel that coming to Australia
38:20
Speaker 20: and USh it's a lot different to anything else that
38:23
Speaker 20: you will play in. There's there's a lot more that
38:26
Speaker 20: goes on away from the cricket itself. And it's just
38:31
Speaker 20: making everyone aware that that's the case, but making sure
38:33
Speaker 20: that it's nothing to be afraid of, nothing to be
38:35
Speaker 20: scared of.
38:37
Speaker 3: It must be unreal, Robber, you and I will never
38:39
Speaker 3: feel it, but like, to get to that level of
38:41
Speaker 3: international cricket playing against any country must be unbelievable. But
38:45
Speaker 3: then when it's England Australia, it's just got to be
38:48
Speaker 3: next level.
38:49
Speaker 13: Oh, we're blessed this summer. I said to you a
38:51
Speaker 13: couple of weeks ago. You know, all all the sporting finals,
38:55
Speaker 13: into the Spring Carnel, into the Ashes series, they're the
38:58
Speaker 13: best dumbers when the English here. It's been really interesting
39:02
Speaker 13: the build up. Remember when we were younger Bridges a
39:05
Speaker 13: long long time ago, the Australians would help the England.
39:08
Speaker 4: We'd play all.
39:08
Speaker 13: These candy cricket games and the lead after the first
39:11
Speaker 13: Test and we'd get up in the morning and look
39:13
Speaker 13: at the newspaper ands there the boys went at Taunton
39:16
Speaker 13: and Headingly, et cetera, et cetera. There's just been discussion
39:20
Speaker 13: about how much preparation the English have had, how many
39:23
Speaker 13: games they've played, and the results of the Ashes will
39:27
Speaker 13: dictate whether their preparation has been ideal or their preparation
39:32
Speaker 13: hasn't been ideal, depending what happens in that first test.
39:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, they used to play country games. That used to
39:39
Speaker 3: be fantastic. I remember the West Indies playing up at
39:41
Speaker 3: Renmark and places like that. You think they need that
39:44
Speaker 3: time to acclimatize. Let's quickly get to AFL. A lot
39:48
Speaker 3: of news out with the fixture being released today and
39:51
Speaker 3: the opening round which has only tried for two seasons
39:54
Speaker 3: to give Brisbane and Sydney coins out of New South
39:57
Speaker 3: Wales a bit of a head start. I got destroyed
39:59
Speaker 3: by a so I claim earlier this year. But they're
40:02
Speaker 3: a bit of winging in Melbourne about not having a
40:04
Speaker 3: game there, so Collingwood Saint Kilda to kick it off
40:07
Speaker 3: as well at the G.
40:08
Speaker 4: Is that is that a good compromise? Yeah?
40:10
Speaker 13: I think it is a good compromise. I mean AFLs
40:12
Speaker 13: are funny.
40:14
Speaker 4: They introduced all these new things.
40:15
Speaker 13: They say, oh, this is new and it's shiny and
40:18
Speaker 13: it's right and it'll work, and after a year or
40:20
Speaker 13: two they changed.
40:21
Speaker 4: It all up.
40:22
Speaker 13: Clearly they didn't get it right because people in Melbourne,
40:25
Speaker 13: and it is that the homeland of AFL, the people
40:29
Speaker 13: in Melbourne.
40:29
Speaker 4: We're missing out on a game.
40:32
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm in full agreement of putting Seculda Collingwood on.
40:34
Speaker 4: A Sunday night and we're having a lot more Sunday night.
40:37
Speaker 13: Games this year. But the draw comes out today, Chris.
40:41
Speaker 13: The draw comes out today, and everyone starts predicting who's
40:45
Speaker 13: got the worst drawer, who are going to finish, where,
40:48
Speaker 13: who's going to likely play finals?
40:51
Speaker 4: And really it doesn't mean squat, so it doesn't.
40:55
Speaker 13: It doesn't because all the predictions made at the start
40:58
Speaker 13: of last year, hardly any even went to fruition.
41:01
Speaker 4: I'll give you one, but we got to go Robert.
41:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brisbane won the premissure one. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm making
41:09
Speaker 3: my predictions already. I'll keep him to myself though. Thanks
41:12
Speaker 3: for joining us, Robert. Absolutely, I've been through the drawer.
41:14
Speaker 3: I've worked out how many wins are certain.
41:16
Speaker 4: He's will not be don't share in publicly Now.
41:19
Speaker 3: After the break, we're going to catch up with Tim
41:20
Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson.
41:21
Speaker 4: Lots to talk about, including gen Z or jen Z.
41:24
Speaker 3: They reckon they've got a tougher than their parents. Let
41:31
Speaker 3: us convene the National Cabinet with the Daily telegraphs Tim
41:35
Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios.
41:38
Speaker 4: Good evening and gentlemen.
41:39
Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts on our esteemed prime
41:42
Speaker 3: minister today. I mean, he's supposed to be running the country,
41:45
Speaker 3: but he spent most of the day getting out there
41:48
Speaker 3: bagging the opposition as if he's some sort of state
41:51
Speaker 3: political opposition leader. It was not very prime ministerial, or
41:54
Speaker 3: was it, Tim.
41:56
Speaker 14: It's I think we're seeing a lot of the real
41:58
Speaker 14: albou commitments in the sort of moments. Yeah, he's a
42:01
Speaker 14: parliamentary brawl and that's fine, you know you can do that.
42:04
Speaker 14: But I think also what we're seeing is they're a
42:07
Speaker 14: little bit spooked by this whole reversal on the climate policy,
42:12
Speaker 14: and now that they've got a genuine opposition on it,
42:14
Speaker 14: I think you're going to see a lot more of
42:16
Speaker 14: shouty elbow in the future.
42:18
Speaker 4: I think you're dead right.
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Speaker 3: I think that's why I showed it at the top
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Speaker 3: of the program, because I think it shows that they
42:23
Speaker 3: are worried about this. I mean, this is their worst
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Speaker 3: policy area and they've been able to get away with
42:28
Speaker 3: it because basically the coalitions agreed with their policies. Now
42:31
Speaker 3: suddenly they've got to fight on their hands over energy.
42:34
Speaker 3: Here's what Albou was saying about the Coalition.
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Speaker 5: Today, their clown show that they've become. It was a
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Speaker 5: sign of the for the Australian people of how divided
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Speaker 5: they are.
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Speaker 3: Mark he called him a clown show. He's been watching
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Speaker 3: your cartoons.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, kettle black, isn't it there? But this is
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Speaker 4: what he does.
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Speaker 2: He plays the man.
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Speaker 4: This is what he this is what it's all about.
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Speaker 2: When you when you continuously drop the ball, you've got
43:05
Speaker 2: nothing else to do than to play the man like
43:07
Speaker 2: it's just a political instinct from the bike. And you
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Speaker 2: can tell I think, Timm, you've absolutely nailedhim. Mate, He's rattled,
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Speaker 2: that's what it is. And he's just going to have
43:14
Speaker 2: to try and fight this one out in question time
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Speaker 2: and in press conferences and hope, hope to God that
43:20
Speaker 2: these guys just keep they just drop the ball and
43:22
Speaker 2: he can give him a few jabs along the way,
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Speaker 2: and hopefully you can injure a few along the way,
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Speaker 2: because he's going to get caught out.
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Speaker 13: I reckon.
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Speaker 3: And it's not just you guys who say this is
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Speaker 3: what he lives for it's what Albo says himself.
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Speaker 5: Bye, I like fighting Tories. That's what I do. That's
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Speaker 5: what I do.
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Speaker 3: Imagine getting up in the morning trying to.
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Speaker 4: Fight a pretty spolitical party. It's him.
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Speaker 14: But then, of course he actually did meet a Tory. Yeah,
43:52
Speaker 14: he met Boris Johnson when Johnson was the Prime Minister
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Speaker 14: of Bridden.
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Speaker 21: Didn't land of punch, didn't swand he just smiled Sen
43:58
Speaker 21: the same way that he said he was scared of
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Speaker 21: Donald Trump. And then it's all hunks And even when
44:05
Speaker 21: the guy is crying, you can't believe him.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 3: I want to go to this survey about gen Z
44:13
Speaker 3: or gen Z.
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Speaker 4: I say, what do you say these days?
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Speaker 3: Anyway, the latest generation, and it shows that most of
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Speaker 3: them think they're going to have a tougher life than
44:22
Speaker 3: their parents. Now, you know, I think it's tough for
44:25
Speaker 3: all young people kicking off. You know, I tried to
44:27
Speaker 3: get my first time when the interest rates were over
44:29
Speaker 3: fifteen percent and all the rest of it. But I
44:32
Speaker 3: really sympathize with this generation because Mark they may well
44:38
Speaker 3: be given the way the economy has been managed over
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Speaker 3: the last decades or so, and the way energy is going,
44:44
Speaker 3: and the size of government we're foisting upon them. They
44:48
Speaker 3: now bit may well, maybe right, they might be the
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Speaker 3: first generation to.
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Speaker 4: Actually go backwards compared to their parents. You heard your said,
44:56
Speaker 4: right man. I think the truth is, the truth is one.
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Speaker 2: Hundred percent that they are. They've got it really, really tough.
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Speaker 2: But we can't let them know that this is the
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Speaker 2: natural course of things. Younger generations complain to the older
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Speaker 2: generations and they blame us for it, and then when
45:11
Speaker 2: they're competent enough to do anything about it, there's another
45:14
Speaker 2: generation that comes through the complains louder than them. This
45:17
Speaker 2: is the only one though that might not have a
45:19
Speaker 2: younger generation. The sile might stop with them. So we've
45:22
Speaker 2: got to make sure that they get looked after that everybody,
45:25
Speaker 2: to make sure that there's another generation that has it worse.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you said to agree with that theory, Tim, absolutely.
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Speaker 14: I think also we should you know, welly the right
45:36
Speaker 14: to complain about housing prices, but if you offer them
45:38
Speaker 14: an alternative, if you said, right, you can have much
45:41
Speaker 14: more affordable housing, but you have to give up your
45:43
Speaker 14: mobile phones. I know which one they'd stick with, the
45:45
Speaker 14: whole not of the phones all the.
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Speaker 3: Way, Yeah, or your overseas holidays or your smashed on
45:51
Speaker 3: toast apparently was the one that came out. Look, I've
45:54
Speaker 3: got to show this clip of Donald Trump. This is
45:56
Speaker 3: quite extraordinary. Now you have this meeting with the Syrian
45:59
Speaker 3: leader former al Kainda terrorists, are pretty evil operator who's
46:03
Speaker 3: trying to get their country back on track. But have
46:06
Speaker 3: a look at the Trump's to a couple of things
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Speaker 3: to look out for. He shares a new cologne with him,
46:11
Speaker 3: and he asks about his marital situation. Never look, yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's the best happened with him, sir, okay, And then
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Speaker 3: the other.
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Speaker 13: One is.
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Speaker 4: As I know, is that a fair enough question?
46:37
Speaker 13: Market?
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Speaker 4: I love it made.
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Speaker 2: He's the only bloke in the world who could get
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Speaker 2: away with it.
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Speaker 4: That is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: That is honestly, that is the makeover of this entry.
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Speaker 4: This should be a show. It's like queer Eye for
46:49
Speaker 4: the Syrian guy.
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Speaker 2: A couple of months ago he was he was like
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Speaker 2: the world's most wanted terrorists.
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Speaker 4: Now he's getting cologne. It's so good a makeover. Yeah,
46:58
Speaker 4: but he's only got one wife left. Who knows the
47:01
Speaker 4: history of this night?
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Speaker 14: Absolutely, I mean, you know, as much as we sometimes
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Speaker 14: question Donald Trump's ways and his strategies and tactics and
47:10
Speaker 14: coosing up to people who we think are fairly repulsive.
47:13
Speaker 14: He's got to be going to track record now sorting
47:15
Speaker 14: things out, so you know, you know, spraying cologne of them.
47:18
Speaker 14: Maybe it's going to work.
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Speaker 4: Who knows, fingers, It's just unbelievable. I just think you
47:23
Speaker 4: get the real deal with him the whole time.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's just the same whoever he's around,
47:28
Speaker 3: even the former terrorists now running Syria. I want to
47:31
Speaker 3: finish on on a bit of a hero, a bit
47:33
Speaker 3: of a local hero. Here have a look at this
47:35
Speaker 3: story that unfolded in Wakeri and South Australia's Riverland.
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Speaker 1: The Holden Captiv submerged in the middle of the Murray
47:43
Speaker 1: at wakery after it was accidentally driven through the Fairy
47:47
Speaker 1: boongate and launched into the water.
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Speaker 4: So a car floating and.
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Speaker 19: Just just legg legged it, just ran straight down as
47:56
Speaker 19: far as fast as I could, down to the riverfront.
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Speaker 4: Strophony Cans is her name.
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Speaker 3: She jumped into the water swamp across from the far
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Speaker 3: side of the river and rescued a bloke driven his
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Speaker 3: car into it.
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Speaker 4: Fantastic stuff.
48:09
Speaker 3: You know, everybody else was standing back wondering what to do.
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Speaker 3: She got in and sorted it out.
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Speaker 2: Mark good stuff, Mate, s that is the news. That's
48:18
Speaker 2: what the news should be all the time. There's no
48:19
Speaker 2: virtue signaling there. We didn't have to create a crazy
48:23
Speaker 2: situation that a woman came in and saved the day.
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Speaker 2: Look at that. That is brilliant and that's real life.
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Speaker 4: That's fantastic stuff. That's awesome, great stuff.
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Speaker 3: The only virtue signaling and we can throw into it
48:32
Speaker 3: is where lucky Tim, it wasn't an electric car?
48:37
Speaker 14: Very quickly and also dad joke alert, are we sure
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Speaker 14: it wasn't a Holden capsizer?
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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, gentlemen.
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Speaker 3: We'll see you next week, Tim Blair and Martin Nicholson. There,
48:51
Speaker 3: I've got a little bit of time to share some
48:52
Speaker 3: of your feedback from what I had to say last
48:54
Speaker 3: night about Prince William and his climbate alarmism in Brazil.
48:59
Speaker 3: One viewer says every ten years, Charlie tells us we
49:02
Speaker 3: only have ten years left, and Ron says William of
49:05
Speaker 3: woke the climate alarmist needs to check his facts and
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Speaker 3: one more view of time for one more keep out
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Speaker 3: of politics, William, very good advice. Indeed, thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: What's been a busy week. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
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Speaker 4: Here's Peter