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Credlin | 7 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kramba live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. As you've heard there
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Speaker 2: from Chris Kenny, the isis women and children have arrived
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Speaker 2: in Australia. There are two cohorts, one that's landed in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: of course, the larger grouping at the Belbourne Airport Tullamarine
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Speaker 2: will get you as much information as we can. I'll
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Speaker 2: go through also the allegations of crimes against these women
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Speaker 2: and the likely arrests that will be made. All the
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Speaker 2: latest there shortly, and I'm expecting to a press conference
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Speaker 2: by the AFP sometime in the next couple of hours.
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Speaker 2: Mugged by reality today too. The government's been dragged, kicking
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Speaker 2: and screaming to a new twenty percent cap on gas exports,
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Speaker 2: so twenty percent to remain in Australia. It's called a
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Speaker 2: reservation for domestic use. This is labour being mugged by
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Speaker 2: the reality that we need gas to run the country.
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Speaker 2: Plus on the ground in Farah tonight the One Nation
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Speaker 2: campaign a little bit of turbulence yesterday regarding Senator James Patterson.
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Speaker 2: Paul and Hanson's arrived tonight in the seat I'll also
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Speaker 2: catch up with a candidate, David Farley, for the latest
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Speaker 2: and I'll keep you across those movements, as I said,
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Speaker 2: but we'll also speak to a security expert about what
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Speaker 2: next if labor can't keep them out of the country,
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Speaker 2: the sort of guarantees that Australians can have regarding keeping
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Speaker 2: them safe from these women.
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Speaker 3: When people make decisions to go to support, in effect,
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Speaker 3: a terrorist organization in the way that these adults have,
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Speaker 3: then there are consequences and we have to put national
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Speaker 3: security first.
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Speaker 2: Right. We will stay with this issue because reports late
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Speaker 2: this afternoon are the two of the three women who
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Speaker 2: landed at Melbourne's Tullamarine Airport within the last hour are
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Speaker 2: expected to be charged with crimes against humanity under Commonwealth
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Speaker 2: law regarding the alleged enslavement of at least one Yazidi
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Speaker 2: woman during their time in Syria. Reportedly, the Melbourne arrivals
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Speaker 2: Keisa Abbas, aged fifty four, and her two adult daughters,
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Speaker 2: Zara thirty three and Zenab thirty one, and their eight
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Speaker 2: children in Sydney. Another woman, reports are that her name
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Speaker 2: is Jenai Saffir, landed at Mascot Airport with her son
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Speaker 2: about an hour ago, and based on information from journalists
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Speaker 2: at The Australian, she's also expected to be charged with
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Speaker 2: offenses related to entering or remaining in a declared terrorist area.
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Speaker 2: Now all up the total cohort this time four adults,
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Speaker 2: nine children, but we also know the Albanezier government provided
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Speaker 2: some thirty four women and children with Australian passports earlier
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Speaker 2: this year, so more are expected again. According to reports,
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Speaker 2: we're told that Keisar and two of her adult daughters
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Speaker 2: will be arrested in one biggie pardon. One of her
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Speaker 2: two adult daughters will be arrested in Melbourne and charged
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Speaker 2: over serious allegations made by two women from the persecuted
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Speaker 2: minority group, the Yazidis. Now we are waiting for confirmation
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Speaker 2: of those arrests. I say that are only reports at
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Speaker 2: this stage, but if they are arrested, surely we should
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Speaker 2: expect the same sort of very public display from the
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Speaker 2: AFP as we saw handed out to war hero Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith on the tarmac in full glare of the
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Speaker 2: Australian media. Now to the claims against the Islamic stated women.
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Speaker 2: According to The Australian, a Yazidi woman Tazia has alleged
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Speaker 2: that she spent eighteen months enslaved by the family of
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Speaker 2: kisar Abbas, and that she was repeatedly raped by the patriarch,
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Speaker 2: Muhammed Ahmad now Ahmed, who's understood to be among five
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Speaker 2: thousand isospin transferred from Syria to Iraqi jails earlier this year.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: He has denied the claims. Tasa is understood to also
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Speaker 2: made allegations of abuse against kisar Abbas and at least
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Speaker 2: one of her two adult daughters, as well as second
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Speaker 2: Yezidi woman. Sarab, who was barely thirteen at the time
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Speaker 2: she claims to have spent three days enslaved by this
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Speaker 2: same family, has told the ABC in twenty twenty three
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Speaker 2: that the family did not want to buy her and instead,
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Speaker 2: after three days, she was returned to a previous captor.
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Speaker 5: Twenty year old Sarab was taken by Isis and sold
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Speaker 5: as a slave and passed between six different men. While
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Speaker 5: in captivity, she alleges she spent three days in the
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Speaker 5: home of an Australian in Syria.
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Speaker 6: Cho it was very unpleasant. I was their slave and
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Speaker 6: they could do whatever they wanted to me. My life
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Speaker 6: was controlled by them. It felt like my existence didn't matter.
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Speaker 2: Now, both of these Yazdi women have said that they
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Speaker 2: want those who enslaved and abused them to face justice,
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Speaker 2: and they are willing to give it at evidence in
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Speaker 2: a trial, a likely key factor in any decision by
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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions to proceed to trial. Yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Australian Federal Police Commission Chrissy Barrett flagged the likely arrest
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Speaker 2: of these women, saying that evidence collected by the AFP
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Speaker 2: in Siria since twenty fifteen had been used to determine
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Speaker 2: whether the returning women breached Commonwealth.
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Speaker 7: Laws, including terrorism offenses such as entering or remaining in
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Speaker 7: declared areas, and crimes against humanity offenses such as engaging
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Speaker 7: in slave trading.
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Speaker 2: Now, should the case against the women go to court,
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Speaker 2: it will be the first time any Australian citizen has
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Speaker 2: been prosecuted for such crimes under domestic law, and would
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Speaker 2: present challenges in terms of witnesses and evidence collected from
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Speaker 2: a war zoners we have discussed here in the past.
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Speaker 2: The Australian is also reporting the mister Riard Ardi, for
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Speaker 2: Bun instigator into ISIS crimes, has told the paper that
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Speaker 2: he personally connected both these Yazidi women with the Australian
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Speaker 2: Federal Police, that they were interviewed at length about their
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Speaker 2: experiences in the time they allege they were held captive
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Speaker 2: in the household of this now former and now returning
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Speaker 2: Melbourne family. The UN confirms it as many as ten
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Speaker 2: thousand Yezidi women and girls, girls as young as seven,
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Speaker 2: were enslaved and raped by Islamic State Caliphate fighters in
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Speaker 2: northeast Syria. At least five thousand Yazidis we know were
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Speaker 2: killed in what the United Nations has since described at genocide.
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Speaker 2: Now armored, the husband of the fifty four year old
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Speaker 2: woman who has just landed back at Melbourne's Tulemraine Airport tonight,
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Speaker 2: has previously admitted in an interview with the ABC from
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Speaker 2: Jale in Syria that his a late son Omar, who
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Speaker 2: pledged allegiance to Isis, did keep a Yazidi slave, but
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Speaker 2: he claimed the family treated her as quote a daughter.
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Speaker 2: He denied supporting the terror group.
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Speaker 5: In an interview in twenty nineteen, he admitted there was
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Speaker 5: a Yazidi slave in his house, but said she belonged
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Speaker 5: to his now dead son.
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Speaker 2: Oh look, we treated it like a daughter young you anyway,
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Speaker 2: so it's nothing ahmad. The father there also claimed that
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Speaker 2: the family moved to Turkey to do humanitarian work. That's
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Speaker 2: why they were away with a group called the Global
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Speaker 2: Humanitarian Aid Australia, but had become trapped in Syrian Isis
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Speaker 2: territory after traveling into the former Islamus Caliphate to attend
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Speaker 2: Omar's wedding in twenty fourteen. Now, that charity, affiliated with
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Speaker 2: the much larger Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation, was at one
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Speaker 2: time suspected of funneling money to Islamic State, although that
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Speaker 2: link could be difficult to prove given the larger charity
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Speaker 2: was more closely associated with other Isis right such as
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Speaker 2: the Elder's Refront. Now we'll stay across this issue. We
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Speaker 2: know the plane has landed. We yet to see the
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Speaker 2: women depart the plane. They may well use different exits.
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Speaker 2: We will see. And we are, as I said, expecting
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Speaker 2: a press conference from the Australian Federal Police. We are
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Speaker 2: told that will be held tonight. Stay here on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: You are not going to miss a thing. Let's get
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Speaker 2: the headlines now though from Canberra, Sky's political reporter Trundy Macintosh.
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Speaker 8: Australian gas producers will be forced to divert twenty percent
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Speaker 8: of supply into the East Coast market under Labour's new
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Speaker 8: reservation policy.
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Speaker 9: This is Australian gas, so Australian should have first go
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Speaker 9: at it.
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Speaker 10: The Energy Minister promises it will wipe out four cast
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Speaker 10: domestic gas.
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Speaker 11: Shortfalls twice Yearly warnings or gas shortages in one of
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Speaker 11: the biggest gas producing countries in the world are a problem.
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Speaker 9: We want to see them go away. This policy makes
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Speaker 9: that go away.
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Speaker 2: It's good to see the Labor Party finally getting on
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Speaker 2: the fossil fuel US bandwagon.
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Speaker 10: But the gas industry warns the move risks dampening investment
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Speaker 10: and this.
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Speaker 7: Is going to have long term consequences for competition, for
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Speaker 7: future supply and for prices.
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Speaker 11: But of course they're going to argue that. Right of
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Speaker 11: course they would say that, wouldn't They will.
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Speaker 8: The Abenezy government argues the gas reserve will prevent shortages.
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Speaker 8: It's not willing to give a guarantee that households will
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Speaker 8: see lower prices as a result.
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Speaker 2: It will put strong downward pressure on prices.
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Speaker 9: There are many impacts on prices.
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Speaker 11: The cost of extraction which is going up, the international
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Speaker 11: price which can go up and down. But what this does,
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Speaker 11: with taking into account all those differing impacts on gas prices,
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Speaker 11: gives Australians the best chance at lower prices.
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Speaker 8: And the Treasurer has told Sky News he'll shoulder responsibility
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Speaker 8: for explaining why the government has broken tax promises up
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Speaker 8: the next Tuesday's budgets.
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Speaker 2: You take it to an election, if you're going to
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Speaker 2: make a significant change of that magnitude, well, I think.
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Speaker 12: The responsibility is to explain why if there's a change
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Speaker 12: of view. But our motivation there is not to make
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Speaker 12: judgments about people who have done well, but to make
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Speaker 12: it easier for people who feel locked out of housing.
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Speaker 10: Trudy McIntosh, Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go now to Melbourne Airport, Toleran Airport
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Speaker 2: where some of the Isis women have landed. Of course,
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Speaker 2: that other group, as I said, also landing in Sydney
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Speaker 2: joining us now live from Melbourne Airport, Aspen Bloomfield as
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Speaker 2: thank you. What do we know now about the cohort?
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Speaker 2: I've reported of course that that Katar flight from Doha
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Speaker 2: has now landed. What can you tell us?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a very dynamic and fluid situation here at
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Speaker 13: Melbourne Airport. We haven't seen any of those ISIS linked
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Speaker 13: brides come through the arrival's terminal. However, as you can
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Speaker 13: probably see behind me, there is a large crowd here
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Speaker 13: waiting their arrival. From those shots we saw of the
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Speaker 13: plane landing, it didn't look like there was an AFP
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Speaker 13: vehicle waiting on the tarmac to arrest them, so they
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Speaker 13: may well be waiting for them to clear customs before
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Speaker 13: making that arrest. We know that that Melbourne flight, the
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Speaker 13: Guitar Airways flight, had three women and eight children on board,
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Speaker 13: one of them a Melbourne grandmother whose husband, a humanitarian worker,
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Speaker 13: is accused of siphoning resources to ISIS. There are two
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Speaker 13: adult children, of course, widows to ISIS fighters and recruiters.
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Speaker 13: There were eight children on that flight which landed here
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Speaker 13: in Melbourne. In the last thirty odd minutes, a separate
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Speaker 13: group of courses you've been reporting has landed in Sydney.
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Speaker 13: One adult woman and her nine year old son on
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Speaker 13: board that flight. One of them expected to be arrested
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Speaker 13: over charges relating to entering a declared terrorist area. So
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Speaker 13: a very fluid situation done here in Melbourne Airport was
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Speaker 13: It's still unclear when and where these Isis brides will
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Speaker 13: be arrested. There has been plenty of reporting that there
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Speaker 13: will be charges made against several of these women, as
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Speaker 13: you say regarding the alleged enslavement of at least one
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Speaker 13: Yeazidi woman while they were in Syria. We're expecting a
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Speaker 13: little bit of movement. It sounds like the first few
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Speaker 13: passengers from that Guitar Airways flight are just arriving now,
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Speaker 13: so we'll wait and see if there's any movement done here.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to make a point too. Mohammed Ahmed,
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Speaker 2: the father who remains in an Iraqi prison is an
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Speaker 2: alleged or he claims to be a humanitarian worker. Will
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Speaker 2: clarify that one. In relation to these women, of course,
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Speaker 2: we're not sure at what point they will be arrested.
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Speaker 2: I've run through the reports this afternoon from The Australian
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Speaker 2: that there will be the arrest of the older woman,
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Speaker 2: the fifty four year old grandmother and one of her daughters,
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Speaker 2: not specified which one it will be. The place out
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Speaker 2: there though's a rabbit warren has been What sort of
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Speaker 2: comfort do we have that the media will be able
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Speaker 2: to see and film these women.
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Speaker 13: Well, we don't have any comfort at all, Peter. There
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Speaker 13: has been very little communication from the AFP as to
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Speaker 13: when and where this arrest will take place. We know
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Speaker 13: in the case of Ben Roberts Smith that was a
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Speaker 13: very public arrest on the tarmac there. It's unclear as
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Speaker 13: to where and when they'll be arrested. There is The
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Speaker 13: Herald Sun is reporting that a group of supporters have
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Speaker 13: gathered out the front of the arrivals terminal. I was
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Speaker 13: out there before and there was a group of about
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Speaker 13: a dozen men wearing black suits. It's unclear whether these
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Speaker 13: are the supporters or loved ones of those family members.
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Speaker 13: The Herald's son at least reporting that they are. So
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Speaker 13: I'm just trying to see out of the corner of
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Speaker 13: my eye if there is any movement there.
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Speaker 2: Come back to it. I know you were standing there
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Speaker 2: with the cameras and there's a big media contingency behind you.
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Speaker 2: We'll leave it there, thank you, Aspin. Let's get to
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Speaker 2: some of the other issues. As I say, we are
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Speaker 2: not going anywhere. We will cover it live here on
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Speaker 2: program bringing in my Panel sky And is contributed to
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Speaker 2: Caroly Caps and Barness. Now Victorian Liberal MP Nicole Werner.
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Speaker 2: Now wait till I show you what Nicole Werner has
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Speaker 2: done at the back of all of this. Let's go
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Speaker 2: though to the news today, sorry news, seventeen hundred small
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Speaker 2: businesses have collapsed since the last rate rise in March.
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Speaker 2: We know a whole lot more I'll likely to go under,
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Speaker 2: given we've got the rate rise on Tuesday, and a
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Speaker 2: whole lot more we're expecting from some experts four by
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Speaker 2: the end of the year, and more experts today. Caroly
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Speaker 2: out there talking up sadly the risk of a recession definitely.
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Speaker 14: Mark Buris from Yellow Brick Road. He's actually said, you
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Speaker 14: know of the six hundred and twenty five New South
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Speaker 14: Wales businesses and five hundred and Victoria, three hundred and
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Speaker 14: twenty five in Queensland that have shut up shop since
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Speaker 14: the March interest rate rise, Goodness knows what it's going
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Speaker 14: to be now. Big data from the Big four banks
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Speaker 14: has shown that twenty percent of households are now teetering
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Speaker 14: on the edge. We are heading for a recession. One
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Speaker 14: thing I would have liked to have seen Michelle Bullock
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Speaker 14: do when the interest rate was announced yesterday or on
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Speaker 14: Tuesday is actually used normal language. She's now having a
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Speaker 14: go at government spending. She should have been using clear language.
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Speaker 14: She's talking to economists, she's not talking to Australians. And
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Speaker 14: really we are heading four incredibly nervous times for businesses.
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Speaker 14: We just have the state budget handed down in Victoria,
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Speaker 14: increase in land tax, payroll tax. Businesses are just going
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Speaker 14: to shut up shop. We are in a terrible situation
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Speaker 14: in this country. It is only going to get worse.
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Speaker 2: But big announcement two on gas, the twenty percent Eastern
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Speaker 2: Coast gas reservation. I just want to let you know
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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that with Aden Morrison
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Speaker 2: in a moment, Nicole. We know about the tobacco wars
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne. We know the illicit tobacco gangs are forcing
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Speaker 2: businesses to sell their product. If they don't, they risk
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Speaker 2: being firebomb. That's been a story in Victoria for a
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Speaker 2: couple of years. It now looks like something akin that
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Speaker 2: is happening with restaurants and bars. The police still don't
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Speaker 2: actually have much of a handle on what's happening. There
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Speaker 2: is talk that it's linked to illicit or unattaxed alcohol.
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Speaker 2: Same sort of model as we've seen with tobacco. But
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Speaker 2: given all of this, given the crime wave that Victorians
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Speaker 2: are suffering, the home invasions, the carjackings, and of course
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Speaker 2: now this, how on earth did the premier rip one
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Speaker 2: billion dollars out of the state's crime fighting budget.
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Speaker 15: No, that's right, and the truth is, Peter, that just
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Speaker 15: Senter Allen has turned Victoria into what feels like Gotham City.
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Speaker 15: This is not the state that we all know and love,
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Speaker 15: and we know that from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: She denied there was a crime crisis.
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Speaker 15: Then she weakened the bow laws as well as under
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Speaker 15: resourcing police, as you say, and that's been taking place
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Speaker 15: across the past decade, not just this budget alone, but
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Speaker 15: we've seen that on the eve of an election. She
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Speaker 15: also then introduces these week and inner fective laws to
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Speaker 15: try and get a group on what's happening with crime
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Speaker 15: in Victoria, when she had long said there was no
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Speaker 15: crime crisis. I can assure you, under a Wilson Coalition
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Speaker 15: led government that we will have genuine adult time for
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Speaker 15: adult crime and for any incidents or any of these
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Speaker 15: serious crimes like arson or rape or burglary, which are
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Speaker 15: not included in Labour's laws to date. Those will be
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Speaker 15: included and we will get serious on crime under a
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Speaker 15: Wilson coalition government.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a catch up on Pharah. Of course, I'm
17:34
Speaker 2: going to have a word with David Farley, the One
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Speaker 2: Nation candidate, in a moment. But i want to pick
17:39
Speaker 2: up something Michelle Millthorpe said to Paul Murray at the
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Speaker 2: pub test the other night.
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Speaker 16: I've I've already answered, and I've been very transparent about
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Speaker 16: taking money from Climate two hundred and I did get
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Speaker 16: twenty thousand dollars at the start of my campaign this
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Speaker 16: time to support that. I've had lots of donations from
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Speaker 16: across the country since then, so I've been open and
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Speaker 16: honest about that. I don't have any difficulty in saying
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Speaker 16: that as an independent, I'm the only person that you
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Speaker 16: will ever know where my money came from.
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Speaker 2: You're what open and honest, nice and transparent. She says, Well,
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Speaker 2: if you go back and have a look at the
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Speaker 2: AEC register twenty four to twenty five, that period of time,
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Speaker 2: she's taken a hell of a lot more than twenty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. It's close to two hundred thousand dollars. And also,
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Speaker 2: as you know, and I've put it up there publicly
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Speaker 2: climbing two hundred. Has been trying to raise her one
18:36
Speaker 2: million dollars for this by election campaign. Susan lead to
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Speaker 2: missing an action might actually be a good thing. She
18:43
Speaker 2: was not popular in the sea caroly Kats and Barnas.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to call what you think will happen
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night?
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Speaker 14: Well, I hope that the Liberal Party does run. I
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Speaker 14: think Tony Abbot's been doing a fantastic job. He's just
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Speaker 14: gone up there. He loves a fight, he loves doing that.
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Speaker 14: You can see the passion of the Liberal Party coming through.
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Speaker 14: Would have been nice to see that with Susan Lee.
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Speaker 14: She has been missing an action. I know that her
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Speaker 14: supporters say she wasn't asked to help. You don't need
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Speaker 14: to be asked to help to a Liberal Party campaign.
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Speaker 14: You're a member of parliament for twenty five years. You
19:11
Speaker 14: had a lot of people help you get there. You're
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Speaker 14: always surrounded by a team.
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Speaker 2: It's not good enough.
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Speaker 14: She made a lot of deal that she was the
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Speaker 14: first female Liberal member of Federal Leader of the party. Well,
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Speaker 14: you've got a female candidate, you know. I'm sure Raye
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Speaker 14: said Bukowski would have loved her to have been up there.
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Speaker 14: She delayed giving a speech. I think it was till
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Speaker 14: a week later because she wanted to go and thank
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Speaker 14: the people of Farah. You know what, you've got to
19:33
Speaker 14: look in the mirror, do the shoe lever, go out
19:36
Speaker 14: with the candidate, get the job done, because you know
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Speaker 14: what you want to actually hand over the seat. I mean,
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Speaker 14: the only thing that Susan Lee has done was in
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Speaker 14: nine months blow up the coalition twice, misstep on climate
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Speaker 14: change and sack just In a Nampajim Price from the
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Speaker 14: front bench and not use the key people in your
19:53
Speaker 14: team properly, such as Andrew Hasty and a lot of
19:55
Speaker 14: others that had a lot more talents. You didn't need
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Speaker 14: to stand for the leadership from the first place. Angus
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Speaker 14: Tyler could have taken over.
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Speaker 2: From word go. We don't know what you're going to
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Speaker 2: say on Saturday night. We'll wait for Saturday night. I
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Speaker 2: can see that was a bit of a fence sit
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Speaker 2: on that one. Hey, Nicole, I'm inted at the top
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Speaker 2: of the show you've done a cracker of a social
20:12
Speaker 2: media realize. I'm critical of oppositions in government when they
20:16
Speaker 2: don't take the complex and make it nice and simple,
20:19
Speaker 2: and there's I think a real fight you can have
20:21
Speaker 2: with Labor over this lotto deal, this dodgy, dodgy lotto deal,
20:26
Speaker 2: and that you've explained it brilliantly. Let's have a look.
20:31
Speaker 15: We have a problem.
20:32
Speaker 2: What you know how we've been telling everyone we've got
20:34
Speaker 2: a surplus.
20:34
Speaker 15: Yeah, play four hundred million dollars short.
20:38
Speaker 2: I got an idea.
20:39
Speaker 15: You know the lottery corporation, the ones that run powerball
20:41
Speaker 15: in the lotto. Yes, good mates of ours here at Labor,
20:44
Speaker 15: they donated about one hundred and eighty thousand over the
20:46
Speaker 15: past few years.
20:47
Speaker 2: Nice, their license needs renewing. We normally give them a
20:50
Speaker 2: ten year extension.
20:51
Speaker 15: But what if we gave them forty four times a
20:54
Speaker 15: length four times the money one point one billion dollars.
20:59
Speaker 2: Servlar well, operating surplus.
21:02
Speaker 15: What's the difference, Well, an operating surplus doesn't actually count
21:05
Speaker 15: all our debt. If we were to do that, then
21:07
Speaker 15: would actually be seven billion in deficit. Right, But if
21:11
Speaker 15: we ignore all the big money that we're spending, we
21:13
Speaker 15: can still call it a surplus, right, operating surplus surplus.
21:18
Speaker 2: I've actually got a lot of feedback on that, more
21:20
Speaker 2: of it, Nicole, because people need to understand just how
21:24
Speaker 2: sneaky and tricky this government is. That's right.
21:28
Speaker 15: The labor has absolutely fudged the numbers and they're operating
21:32
Speaker 15: surplus which they're celebrating over doesn't include spending on major projects,
21:36
Speaker 15: which is absurd. The true state of the budget is
21:39
Speaker 15: that we are over seven billion dollars in deficit and
21:43
Speaker 15: by twenty nine point thirty we will be in two
21:46
Speaker 15: hundred billion dollars debt nearly, which means that our interest
21:49
Speaker 15: repayments alone will be one point three billion dollars sorry,
21:53
Speaker 15: one point three million dollars an hour.
21:56
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, well good on you. As I said,
21:59
Speaker 2: keep it up. That is absolutely the stuff you need
22:01
Speaker 2: on the ground to fight a campaign with. Thank you.
22:04
Speaker 2: Let's go down to the reality today that Australia runs
22:07
Speaker 2: on fossil fuels. We knew that the albaniz A government.
22:10
Speaker 2: They finally mugged with that truth announcing a twenty percent
22:14
Speaker 2: East Coast gas reserve. Now, what this means in practice
22:18
Speaker 2: is that gas companies will be required to keep twenty
22:22
Speaker 2: percent of what they might export for domestic market use.
22:25
Speaker 2: So on the East coast. There's already a reservation on
22:29
Speaker 2: the West coast and this will come into effect from
22:32
Speaker 2: one July next year. Join me now to unpack it all,
22:35
Speaker 2: because there's good here, there's also some bad energy research
22:39
Speaker 2: to SECT director at the Center for Independent Study, Aidan Morrison, Well,
22:44
Speaker 2: I'll start with where we fall down, I think with
22:46
Speaker 2: this policy. Aiden. Obviously that's a sovereid risk element here.
22:52
Speaker 2: We'll get to that. But at least in terms of labor,
22:56
Speaker 2: admitting we need gas, we need more of it. Surely
23:01
Speaker 2: that much at least is a good thing.
23:04
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think that probably is. It's an admission that
23:06
Speaker 17: gas is here to stay for the medium term at
23:08
Speaker 17: least and we need more of it right now, So
23:11
Speaker 17: that I think is encouraging at least to have that
23:13
Speaker 17: sort of admission. However, it's not a really kind of
23:17
Speaker 17: big game changing announcement because the exporters, they're all in Queensland,
23:22
Speaker 17: New South Wales and Victoria, are not producing really any
23:25
Speaker 17: gas and most of the most of the production is
23:28
Speaker 17: signed up in long term contracts that this announcement has
23:30
Speaker 17: promised not to touch. So for the next few years
23:33
Speaker 17: at least, it's going to be a somewhat more modest
23:36
Speaker 17: impact on the gas because it's only going to be
23:38
Speaker 17: those little bits of gas that aren't contracted that are
23:40
Speaker 17: really affected, and it's all stuck in Queensland and there's
23:43
Speaker 17: a congested pipeline to get it down to the Southern
23:45
Speaker 17: States where the gas demand is really high. Victoria is
23:48
Speaker 17: the biggest consumer of gas for residential use. They're the
23:51
Speaker 17: ones that actually have consumers that heat their homes with
23:53
Speaker 17: it in a cool climate, and so it's not quite
23:55
Speaker 17: clear how much of the gas is going to be
23:57
Speaker 17: able to make it down through the pipelines if there
23:59
Speaker 17: was a big surplus redirected. So it's nothing wrong with
24:02
Speaker 17: having gas reservation scheme. Most countries do try to reserve
24:05
Speaker 17: so their own citizens have some premium access or discount
24:08
Speaker 17: to gas. But the sovereign risk thing and our lack
24:12
Speaker 17: of infrastructure in the Southern States where the demand is
24:15
Speaker 17: means that it actually might not have that big impact
24:17
Speaker 17: on our gas prices, at least not in the near term.
24:21
Speaker 2: It would have been more serious if they coupled the
24:24
Speaker 2: announcement with a movement on issues like the narrowby gas
24:30
Speaker 2: feel that's been in legal dispute for about a decade now.
24:33
Speaker 2: If there'd been big decisions in relation to Victoria and
24:37
Speaker 2: approvals in relation to gas. I know there's been some
24:40
Speaker 2: movement in the hot ways, but broadly speaking, we've sort
24:44
Speaker 2: of got a gas supply. We're going to try and
24:47
Speaker 2: carve up the existing supply in a different way as
24:50
Speaker 2: opposed to growing that supply, and I think that's where
24:53
Speaker 2: the deficit is today.
24:55
Speaker 17: It's definitely the case. There's a few different ways in
24:58
Speaker 17: which we've still tried to basically indicate, particularly in the
25:01
Speaker 17: Southern States, that companies could not or should not really
25:05
Speaker 17: come here, one of which is in Victoria. I mean,
25:07
Speaker 17: they've still basically said they're trying to say everyone should
25:10
Speaker 17: get off gas. They're sort of treating as it's some
25:12
Speaker 17: sort of icky, kind of morally hazardous substance that you
25:15
Speaker 17: shouldn't really want to use, and for that reason they're
25:17
Speaker 17: trying to basically ban it being installed in new homes, etc. That,
25:21
Speaker 17: of course, is kryptonite for an industry that might want
25:23
Speaker 17: to come and think about do I actually invest money
25:25
Speaker 17: in developing here. No, the domestic market has been politically
25:28
Speaker 17: basically poisoned. They're not going to let people to keep
25:31
Speaker 17: using this. Why would you invest in that kind of
25:33
Speaker 17: environment is a big question. The other thing that really
25:35
Speaker 17: could have been done, which is not too hard, is
25:37
Speaker 17: to say, instead of just saying we're going to reserve
25:39
Speaker 17: some for Australian usage, why don't you say we're going
25:42
Speaker 17: to actually buy some for Australian usage if you commit
25:44
Speaker 17: to an off take. And the government could lead here
25:46
Speaker 17: and say we are going to consume someone we want
25:48
Speaker 17: to block in a volume, and we will expect a
25:51
Speaker 17: bit of a discount on the price. But still any
25:54
Speaker 17: developer would just love to have a guaranteed off take
25:56
Speaker 17: early on in approach its development and that would help
25:58
Speaker 17: to drive more developments. So the government hasn't done that,
26:02
Speaker 17: which is what lots of countries that do have low
26:04
Speaker 17: cost abundance and often royalty very strongly royalty gaining things,
26:09
Speaker 17: is the government takes a bit of a stake and
26:10
Speaker 17: they actually put some risk on the table. But we
26:13
Speaker 17: haven't done any of that. We just has said it's
26:15
Speaker 17: all your risk and we're going to take some of
26:17
Speaker 17: some of the benefit of that twenty percent reserved, which
26:20
Speaker 17: is not terrible if it's done upfront and people can
26:23
Speaker 17: work around their contracts for that, but it doesn't really
26:25
Speaker 17: drive the investment that you would like to see and
26:28
Speaker 17: does still sort of say that Australia hasn't made its
26:30
Speaker 17: mind up about gas.
26:31
Speaker 2: Really well, we haven't because we know that Woodside of
26:35
Speaker 2: moving their gas plants across to North America. I mentioned
26:39
Speaker 2: Narabay before. We've got issues with the Northwest Shelf and
26:43
Speaker 2: legal dispute up there six years on your point there
26:47
Speaker 2: though about the left still wanting gas to be run
26:50
Speaker 2: out of town. We had that comment from the Climate Council.
26:53
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at my notes here. They were disappointed
26:55
Speaker 2: with the announcement today that there wasn't an accompany gas
27:00
Speaker 2: a phase out timetable. So they still want gas out.
27:04
Speaker 2: And we know a lot of these influencers and others
27:07
Speaker 2: out there saying we've got to have a fair income
27:10
Speaker 2: a tax on gas for Australia. What that's about is
27:14
Speaker 2: not more money for the Australian budget. It's about taxing
27:18
Speaker 2: gas so much more, loading it up so that the
27:22
Speaker 2: projects never go ahead in Australia. That's still the end
27:26
Speaker 2: game for a lot of these players, isn't it.
27:29
Speaker 17: You've hit the nail on the head. There's a massive
27:31
Speaker 17: potential mixed motive in the different dialogues and campaigns that
27:35
Speaker 17: are being run here. And on the one hand, I
27:37
Speaker 17: think most Australians would know that gas is a potential
27:40
Speaker 17: source of revenue. It can make us wealthy and we've
27:42
Speaker 17: got to be able to get some good cut of
27:44
Speaker 17: that proceeds. But the projects have to go ahead. You
27:47
Speaker 17: have to be on board with us using gas, producing gas,
27:51
Speaker 17: selling gas for that to be the case. But on
27:52
Speaker 17: the other hand, it's crystal clear that there is a
27:54
Speaker 17: large agenda that dominates the left half of politics in Australia,
27:58
Speaker 17: says gas is something that we need to eliminate. It's
28:01
Speaker 17: going to be a transition fuel at best, but we
28:03
Speaker 17: want to get rid of it totally. So anything that
28:05
Speaker 17: leads to ongoing support for its development consumption is basically evil.
28:10
Speaker 17: So you're absolutely right there is a cross purpose there
28:13
Speaker 17: where a whole bunch of people, including you know, the
28:16
Speaker 17: people sort of saying that we need to tax just
28:18
Speaker 17: to get our fair share. They're appealing to the Aussie
28:21
Speaker 17: battlers that want to have the benefits of gas, which
28:23
Speaker 17: is fair enough, but you don't get any beneits oft
28:25
Speaker 17: from gas if you basically want to stop it being
28:28
Speaker 17: produced all together. It's all together and sort of poison
28:31
Speaker 17: the trough economically, so nobody comes to get here, which
28:33
Speaker 17: is nakedly what a bunch of a bunch of the
28:37
Speaker 17: activists are actually seeking.
28:40
Speaker 2: That is exactly right. We'll leave it there, thank you, Hayden.
28:44
Speaker 2: But I am watching very closely what's happening at the airport.
28:47
Speaker 2: We haven't got anything to tell you. People are moving
28:49
Speaker 2: off some of the flights now, but we'll have a
28:51
Speaker 2: quick break after that. We will bring in a security
28:53
Speaker 2: expert though to talk through the next immediate steps, and
28:58
Speaker 2: if there are arrests, I'll bring them to you here
29:00
Speaker 2: on sky Welcome back. We're watching Melbourne airport. We'll also
29:07
Speaker 2: catch up with the Pharaowe nation of candidate David Farley
29:10
Speaker 2: as he pictures to the last days of that by election.
29:13
Speaker 2: Of course, we'll have it here for you at six
29:15
Speaker 2: o'clock on Saturday night here on Sky. Let's return though
29:18
Speaker 2: of the isis women and Children, with the Australian reporting
29:21
Speaker 2: this afternoon that two of the three women landed in
29:24
Speaker 2: Melbourne about an hour or so ago will be arrested,
29:28
Speaker 2: they say to face crimes against humanity's related charges or
29:32
Speaker 2: charges regarding crimes against humanities, and this relates to the enslavement.
29:37
Speaker 2: This is the allegation of at least one Yeazidi woman.
29:41
Speaker 2: Joining me now former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig, Well,
29:47
Speaker 2: we yet to see any action. We know the place
29:50
Speaker 2: at Telmarine, as all airports are, have a labyrinth of
29:54
Speaker 2: corridors and ways to get people through without the media
29:58
Speaker 2: being aware. But I'll tell you what if they are
30:00
Speaker 2: arrested by the AFP, David, I want your old mob
30:05
Speaker 2: to arrest them in the same way they arrested Ben
30:08
Speaker 2: Robert Smith.
30:10
Speaker 18: Well, it'd be nice to see the same the same
30:13
Speaker 18: spectacle caused as it was for BRS. I mean, there
30:16
Speaker 18: are a lot of corridors in airports for various reasons,
30:19
Speaker 18: and we do use them when we need to. Clearly
30:22
Speaker 18: they didn't when they arrested Ben Robert Smith. And perhaps
30:26
Speaker 18: there is a higher national interest right now with what's
30:28
Speaker 18: happening with these women and children, and there was with
30:31
Speaker 18: Ben Robert Smith.
30:34
Speaker 2: Just in relation to likely face coverings and other things.
30:40
Speaker 2: At what point, if these women are named, will we
30:43
Speaker 2: get to see their faces or are they allowed to
30:48
Speaker 2: move in and out of the courtroom and elsewhere completely
30:52
Speaker 2: covered faces black?
30:55
Speaker 18: That would depend on the individual court, Peter. That'll be
30:59
Speaker 18: a determination by the sitting justice that sits in front
31:02
Speaker 18: of that. Obviously they need to be identified, so they'll
31:05
Speaker 18: need to be identified by the authorities. As far as
31:08
Speaker 18: the rules of the court go. It will depend on
31:11
Speaker 18: the state court that hears the initial hearings for the
31:14
Speaker 18: federal matter.
31:17
Speaker 2: Yes, so they are likely, as we're told already, likely
31:20
Speaker 2: to be commonwealth charges. Take us through that. What court
31:24
Speaker 2: will they likely.
31:25
Speaker 18: Be heard in, Well, they'll probably be mentioned in would
31:28
Speaker 18: be mentioned immediately in the magistrate's court. That'll be a
31:34
Speaker 18: commonwealth matter heard under. Probably if it is a terrorism offense,
31:38
Speaker 18: will be other the Criminal Code, or if it's going
31:41
Speaker 18: to be the gates humanity of the other Division one
31:44
Speaker 18: a four of the Criminal Code, which is what we
31:47
Speaker 18: actually do want, is not the declared area offenses, which
31:52
Speaker 18: are carrying maximpeldy of just ten years. That's just for
31:54
Speaker 18: being in a terrorist area. I'm more interested in the
31:58
Speaker 18: AFP pursuing understand they are the crimes against humanity, and
32:02
Speaker 18: there has been eight successful prosecutions in Germany for exactly
32:06
Speaker 18: this behavior by Isis Prides before for enslavement, deprivation of liberty,
32:11
Speaker 18: crimes against humanity, are aiding and a betting genocide, because
32:15
Speaker 18: there's this misnomer that these slaves are kept by the
32:18
Speaker 18: male in the house, but when the male isn't there,
32:21
Speaker 18: they are under control of the female of the house
32:23
Speaker 18: and they are as comfortable as.
32:25
Speaker 19: What the male is.
32:28
Speaker 2: We know, of course, as reported in The Australian that
32:32
Speaker 2: the man who led the UN investigation into ISIS crimes,
32:36
Speaker 2: he has told the Australian that he has connected these
32:39
Speaker 2: two women who have allegations against this Melbourne family, in particular,
32:44
Speaker 2: connected them with the AFP and authorities, and the Chief
32:47
Speaker 2: Commissioner of the AFP yesterday said that they've been investigating
32:51
Speaker 2: these allegations for some time now. We've discussed this with
32:56
Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith. But the evidentiary burden, given we're talking
32:59
Speaker 2: about out a war zone, giving photographs and screenshots of
33:04
Speaker 2: the places women claimed they were kept, even just blood
33:09
Speaker 2: and seaman testing and all the other things that you
33:11
Speaker 2: normally have in relation to rape offenses, that's going to
33:15
Speaker 2: be very very difficult to meet the Australian standard required
33:19
Speaker 2: by our courts, isn't it.
33:22
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's correct, Peter. As far as proving a sexual
33:26
Speaker 18: act would be nigh on impossible in a war zone. However,
33:29
Speaker 18: taking a slave in a war zone is a war crime.
33:35
Speaker 18: ISIS have a very well documented and public policy in
33:39
Speaker 18: relation to slaves, the categorization of them, the trading of them.
33:44
Speaker 18: When ISIS fighters were rewarded, they were given like a
33:48
Speaker 18: voucher if you like, to go to a detention center
33:51
Speaker 18: and select their Yuzdi bride or the Uzdi slave and
33:55
Speaker 18: take them home. So any ISIS bride that was in
33:58
Speaker 18: a house when one of these was brought home is
34:01
Speaker 18: as culpable as what the mail is. These women were
34:05
Speaker 18: subjected to immense cruelty beyond just sexual abuse.
34:14
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we've still got you, David, but
34:16
Speaker 2: I will ask you a question. They're great. I want
34:19
Speaker 2: to ask you now about the children. There's obviously a
34:23
Speaker 2: lot of concern that they have been radicalized, and we
34:26
Speaker 2: remember the children of Sharoff many years ago holding up
34:30
Speaker 2: severed heads from the battleground. These children will now be
34:35
Speaker 2: in Australia. They could well be in Australian schools, They'll
34:38
Speaker 2: certainly be in Australian suburbs. I've looked at reports in
34:42
Speaker 2: the past about these deradicalization programs. There was a House
34:46
Speaker 2: of Lords report that said they're not worth any of
34:49
Speaker 2: the money we spend on them. They do not stop radicalization,
34:53
Speaker 2: and they do very very little to deradicalize someone or
34:57
Speaker 2: already on the path to radical is Slafe. What's your
35:01
Speaker 2: position here and what do we do with these children
35:04
Speaker 2: if we cannot deradicalize them, Well.
35:09
Speaker 18: That's very complex. Peer For a start, I do agree
35:12
Speaker 18: that deradicalization and disengagement programs are largely ineffective. They're a
35:18
Speaker 18: nice complimentary thing to have in relation to categterrorism, but
35:21
Speaker 18: as far as actual success in turning someone around that
35:25
Speaker 18: is ideologically focused on radical Islam, they're very very limited
35:30
Speaker 18: success at all. Inatly to the children. They will need
35:34
Speaker 18: to go through some certainly some serious social reintegration. I mean,
35:40
Speaker 18: these children don't know what it's like to live in
35:42
Speaker 18: a liberal democracy. They don't have the Australian perspective or
35:47
Speaker 18: Western perspective on the equality between the agenda's democracy, all
35:54
Speaker 18: the normal things that we take for granted. They've never
35:56
Speaker 18: known that. So for them to just be let loose
35:59
Speaker 18: in a cool sounds like it would be a cruel
36:02
Speaker 18: and unusual thing to do to them as well, because
36:05
Speaker 18: they are going to be seen as some sort of
36:08
Speaker 18: a hero in a an Islamic family view or as
36:13
Speaker 18: a despised by other families. So the balancing act with
36:17
Speaker 18: these poor children that are being caught in the middle
36:19
Speaker 18: is very difficult, and of course there is a radicalization
36:23
Speaker 18: risk as they get older.
36:25
Speaker 2: All Right, we'll leave it there. We'll speak to you,
36:27
Speaker 2: I know in coming days. Thank you very much, David Craig,
36:30
Speaker 2: their former AFP Detective superintendent. All Right, David Farley, the
36:34
Speaker 2: one Nation candidate who looks like he is in the
36:36
Speaker 2: box seat to win or will he will talk to
36:39
Speaker 2: him after the break well the back. Just in relation
36:46
Speaker 2: to the twenty or so men, black suited men out
36:49
Speaker 2: in the front of Melbourne Airport tonight, I can report
36:52
Speaker 2: from what appears on some of the news sites that
36:55
Speaker 2: they are both a group of friends and family of
36:58
Speaker 2: the women. Also they tell reporters that they are security
37:03
Speaker 2: guards and I quote, we just want to get them,
37:06
Speaker 2: presumably the women out of here peacefully. We are security.
37:10
Speaker 2: They certainly look pretty early to me. We'll come back
37:13
Speaker 2: to that if we get more. I'm also told the
37:14
Speaker 2: AFP say within it the hour, there will be a
37:18
Speaker 2: press conference for the media. Of course, we'll bring that
37:20
Speaker 2: to your life from Melbourne Airport here in sky Okay,
37:23
Speaker 2: now to the Pharaoh by election of course on Saturday,
37:27
Speaker 2: come here six o'clock on Sky. We'll keep you right
37:29
Speaker 2: across at all and interest will be not just in
37:32
Speaker 2: the results, but in the way the preference flows occur
37:36
Speaker 2: after that initial primary vote drop. And of course it's
37:40
Speaker 2: got a bit testy in the last few days around prepoll.
37:43
Speaker 2: We saw that exchange between the Victorian Li Weill, Senator
37:46
Speaker 2: James Patterson and a volunteer from One Nation yesterday.
37:50
Speaker 19: Are you giving a video video without it's your name?
38:01
Speaker 19: By the way, what's your name? You know what my
38:02
Speaker 19: name say? What's your name? Oh that's the soult. You're
38:07
Speaker 19: just gular you. I had never sold it anyone.
38:10
Speaker 20: Did you describe your phone because you don't have permission
38:13
Speaker 20: a video.
38:16
Speaker 2: Like most polling booths and most elections I've seen been to,
38:19
Speaker 2: they always have a test exchange voters to have had
38:23
Speaker 2: their say over which way they will vote.
38:26
Speaker 21: It could be orange.
38:28
Speaker 19: There you go.
38:29
Speaker 21: I've voted liberal all my life. I'm gonna get it
38:32
Speaker 21: sick of all the crap that's been in the mail
38:34
Speaker 21: about you know, the propaganda. So, and that's the one
38:36
Speaker 21: way to turn anyone off a voter off, is to
38:39
Speaker 21: treat them with contempt. So I think I might try
38:41
Speaker 21: something different.
38:42
Speaker 2: Who are you voting for One Nation?
38:45
Speaker 9: Why?
38:47
Speaker 19: Because we've tried, We're going to try one nation and
38:52
Speaker 19: see what they love.
38:53
Speaker 8: Have you seen a clash between One Nation volunteer and
38:57
Speaker 8: a liberal yesterday?
39:00
Speaker 1: Yeah?
39:00
Speaker 19: I didn't know.
39:02
Speaker 10: Michelle Milflop.
39:05
Speaker 2: Right join us now from Aubury One Nation candidate and
39:08
Speaker 2: as I said, the hot favorite for Saturday night, at
39:10
Speaker 2: least on a primary vote. David Farley, Well, David, I'll
39:14
Speaker 2: get to that confrontation first. Do you think that volunteer
39:19
Speaker 2: overstepped the mark?
39:22
Speaker 1: No, not at all. I was traveling back in from
39:24
Speaker 1: Deniliquin when the news came through. Immediately rang Senator Patterson
39:28
Speaker 1: to see that he was okay. Then I spoke to
39:31
Speaker 1: our volunteer, Allen, to make sure he was okay. When
39:34
Speaker 1: I arrived back into my home, I was able to
39:37
Speaker 1: check the video and see what it was. And I've
39:40
Speaker 1: actually read checked Senator Pattern's Patterson's video that he posted,
39:45
Speaker 1: and the reality was Patterson was slinking around like a
39:48
Speaker 1: mongrel dog looking for a fight. He goed our volunteer
39:51
Speaker 1: into it. It's disappointing that a federal senator reaches that
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Speaker 1: low in a campaign like this.
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Speaker 2: Well, I said it the opening of the show here,
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Speaker 2: that every booth I've ever been in in all the
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Speaker 2: years I've worked in politics, you do get testing exchanges
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Speaker 2: like that, and as long as all parties are okay, well,
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Speaker 2: I think that's where you leave it. But I don't
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Speaker 2: know that James Patterson is that sort of character. But
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Speaker 2: things have got quite heated, and I do notice those
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Speaker 2: posters that they've put around trying to say that you
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Speaker 2: were looking to join the labor ticket. And we spoke
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Speaker 2: to Joel f It's Given the other day and he
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Speaker 2: said that you spoke to him about joining labor, claims
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Speaker 2: that you made donations to Michelle Millthorpe. Now is that
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Speaker 2: an issue for you in the campaign or are we
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Speaker 2: talking about all the other issues that you and I
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Speaker 2: spoke about when I was up your way? Are they
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Speaker 2: what's turning the votes your.
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Speaker 13: Way or not?
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Speaker 1: Well, we're very comfortable how the votes are coming our way,
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Speaker 1: very positive response, and the response is coming our way,
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Speaker 1: princely because we've got a set of policies that are
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Speaker 1: very relevant to Farah, but more importantly, we can articulate
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Speaker 1: to our constituency action plans and the time frames that
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Speaker 1: we want to follow them up. We've got a powerful
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Speaker 1: team of volunteers on the ground. We're putting a lot
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Speaker 1: of work into it, dedicated volunteers that are working well.
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Speaker 1: And this evening, I've got the support coming in behind
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Speaker 1: me with the One Nation senators and poorly enhancing herself
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Speaker 1: and Barnaby Joyce as well. So not only have we
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Speaker 1: got a powerful team, we've got powerful policy, We've got
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Speaker 1: a powerful action plan. We're giving people confidence that Farah
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Speaker 1: will be well represented.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'm pretty confident in terms of primary vote. You're
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Speaker 2: got to get there, David, because it's you and Daylight
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Speaker 2: in that fifty percent of votes that are outside of Aubrey.
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Speaker 2: I think Aubrey is going to be a lot tighter,
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Speaker 2: not impossible, but a lot tighter. And it'll come down
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Speaker 2: to who comes it at number two and who comes
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Speaker 2: at number three, and that's really now between the Teal
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Speaker 2: and very likely the Liberal. Are you confident about preference
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Speaker 2: flows to get you over the line on Saturday night?
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Speaker 19: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: We're very confident, you know, that deal has been done,
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Speaker 1: those preferences are now betted down the whole preference allocation.
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Speaker 1: We're also very confident that the primary vote will be very,
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Speaker 1: very strong. You know, we're taking the feedback from right
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Speaker 1: across far across the whole one hundred and twenty two
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Speaker 1: thousand kilometers of it, square kilometers of it. It's coming
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Speaker 1: into us daily. We're being able to analyze it, talk
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Speaker 1: through it and put that into our next day strategy
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Speaker 1: about how we're presenting our case and how we're presenting
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Speaker 1: one nation in particular.
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Speaker 2: So, David, do you think you can get there on
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Speaker 2: primary alone?
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, that would be ideal, That would be ideal.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is we've got the backup of the
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Speaker 1: preference flow that's there. But you know, at the moment,
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Speaker 1: we've got a lot of confidence behind our campaign. What
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Speaker 1: we've really got besides having a good campaign, we've got
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Speaker 1: a lot of constituents out there that want change. They're deflated,
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Speaker 1: they've been let down. They've been in the wilderness now
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Speaker 1: for twenty five years, and they know they've been left behind.
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Speaker 1: Whether it's in education, whether it's in health, whether it's
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Speaker 1: in water management, fuel management, the whole lot. The constituents
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Speaker 1: want change and they're comfortable and confident that one nation
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Speaker 1: is going to bring that change to Canberra for them.
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Speaker 2: And just quickly, if you heard Pauline on immigrations, she
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Speaker 2: wants it down. You had it up around three hundred thousand.
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Speaker 2: Have you got the message.
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Speaker 1: We've got the message. The numbers you've got to go
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Speaker 1: through all the different programs, the palm program, the nurses program,
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Speaker 1: the whole lot. There's a little bit confusion around the numbers.
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Speaker 1: But if we want to get housing right, if we
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Speaker 1: want to get health right, and we want to get
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Speaker 1: education right in the immediate we've got to bring immigration down.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 2: You're a lovely bloke. I think all the candidates are
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Speaker 2: buck for the tear. I can't say because I haven't
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Speaker 2: met her, but it's good to see so many good
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Speaker 2: people trying to run for the seat of Pharah. I
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Speaker 2: will watch with interest on Saturday Night'm David Farley, thank
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Speaker 2: you watch it here on Sky as I said International
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Speaker 2: Panel after the broke. I'll keep an eye on Melbourne
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Speaker 2: Airport as well. Welcome back look. Reports are in that
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Speaker 2: the Sydney isis woman and her son have been taken
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Speaker 2: to the Mascot police station. So it looks like they
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Speaker 2: have managed to bypass the media cameras. Nothing more to
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Speaker 2: tell you on Melbourne, but I will watch that closely.
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Speaker 2: Now to the bipartisan pledge made ahead of the last
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Speaker 2: federal election to put the port of Darwin back into
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Speaker 2: Australian hands after it was very controversially leased in the
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbul era to Chinese company land Bridge for ninety
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Speaker 2: nine years. Well, land Bridge is digging in. They've launched
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Speaker 2: an international legal battle against Australia in a dramatic escalation
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Speaker 2: of the fight over the strategically significant asset. Here to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more of my international panel, it's Kinese
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Speaker 2: contributed Koshergada former labor Michael Danby. Well, here you go.
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Speaker 2: I mean this company has got links back to China.
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Speaker 2: They're not going to make it easy and this port
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Speaker 2: incredibly important in a defense sense.
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Speaker 4: Yes, they of course are not going to roll over
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Speaker 4: with this, and we don't have to relitigate the decision
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Speaker 4: and the folly of doing it in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Arguably, but here we are.
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Speaker 4: So now their core recourses in the World Banks Institute
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Speaker 4: for settlement because this is between technically an investment and
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Speaker 4: the state. It's not state to state, even though obviously
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Speaker 4: the Chinese state would be underpinning it. And so that's
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Speaker 4: going to first of all take years as long as
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Speaker 4: they do that. And the remedy is not to force
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Speaker 4: Australia to uphold this deal. It's monetary compensation. So the
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Speaker 4: purchase price was half a billion dollars. That plus compensatory
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Speaker 4: damages is where that would settle. There's also the other
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Speaker 4: layer of pragmatic diplomatic trade, those types of levers that
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Speaker 4: the State of China can certainly employ, and I'm sure
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Speaker 4: that will happen as well in parallel to exert pressure.
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Speaker 2: I'm just interested give you a comment on this, Michael two.
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Speaker 2: But of course, within a number of weeks we'll have
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Speaker 2: President j and President Trump face off in Beijing. And
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Speaker 2: given these reports today that that China is pushing Iran
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Speaker 2: back to the negotiating table, this is probably all geared
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Speaker 2: to get a result before he lands in China.
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Speaker 20: It probably is. I don't know whether the Chinese will
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Speaker 20: be as helpful. They're certainly not being helpful with the
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Speaker 20: put of Dahen. This is led off Peter by the
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Speaker 20: Global Times, which is the hardline wolf warrier English language publication.
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Speaker 20: It shows how dear control of these ports is to
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Speaker 20: Premier gi. So what a regrettable decision it was. And
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Speaker 20: the alternative to this international litigation is for Elbow to
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Speaker 20: assert national security laws. And I'm sorry the word is
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Speaker 20: seized control of it. But you can say that it's
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Speaker 20: an exception and won't affect commercial viability of other overseas
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Speaker 20: projects if he does it, because this is a one
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Speaker 20: off national security decision.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about Marco Rubio and something very interesting.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got to grab anyway, we'll play that
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Speaker 2: interesting that happened in the White House because this is now,
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Speaker 2: I guess, further amplifying his likelihood to be the front
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Speaker 2: runner as opposed to J. D. E. Vans. Have a listen,
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Speaker 2: all right, Well, you can ask me two questions.
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Speaker 22: I'll give you one answer and I'll pick the one
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Speaker 22: I like better. I wish I knew apologize. Can you
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Speaker 22: put name tags on? I'm learning they gave me a
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Speaker 22: little map. I don't know where I put it. Of
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Speaker 22: the people here, some of you had like red X's
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Speaker 22: I'm kidding, no, go ahead, My DJ.
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Speaker 2: Name, you're not ready for my dj Okay Kosher unpacked
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Speaker 2: this for us because it doesn't just walk out there
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Speaker 2: by accident.
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Speaker 4: His portfolio has only expanded. There's all these jokes out
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Speaker 4: there that he's the Secretary of State, he's the National
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Speaker 4: Security Advisor, he handled USA. I D now Caroline Love
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Speaker 4: it is on maternity leave. So he steps in and
47:51
Speaker 4: reminded me of sort of the West Wing, and you
47:52
Speaker 4: know CJ.
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Speaker 2: Craig doing that.
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Speaker 4: And there they actually showed other cabinet members taking the
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Speaker 4: podium and it doesn't go that well. Even if they
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Speaker 4: know policy, they're not maybe as good at jousting with
48:01
Speaker 4: the media he clearly is. So I think this is
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Speaker 4: all just shoring up his bona fides and his range
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Speaker 4: of what he can do. Communication skills are very very important.
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Speaker 4: Of course in a political race. He's always been in
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Speaker 4: the mix alongside JD. Vans is a little bit more
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Speaker 4: of the establishment ye person than that part of the
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Speaker 4: party likes and trusts. But he's also shored up his
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Speaker 4: bona fides with the magabase. So he's definitely a contender.
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Speaker 4: But I wouldn't write j D out as well.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Michael, these Isis women just a couple of sentences.
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Speaker 2: It's a dark day for Australia. That day are back.
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Speaker 20: This is the Yazidi minority treated like sub humans by
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Speaker 20: dash or Isis, and the women in particular were brutally treated.
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Speaker 20: Their villages all over that region. Were raised to the
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Speaker 20: ground and they were chased to the top of a mountain,
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Speaker 20: Mount Sinhwar, and they were captured back from there saved
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Speaker 20: their lives. Were so terrible fate these poor women faced.
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Speaker 2: Well that's what we're looking at. The women returning to Australia.
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Speaker 2: There have a lovely weekend. Everyone, stay warm and certainly
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Speaker 2: cold in Melbourne. I'll see you on Monday.
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