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QUEENMOTHER DR. Chenzira Kahina _ LIVEEVERY 1ST & 3RD THURSDAY 8PM EST ON DA CREW PODCAST _8-17-25 · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Of us speaks building a new legacy here in the
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  Speaker 1: Diva Crew podcast Vive and it's a wonderful opportunity for
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  Speaker 1: us to highlight a variety of activities and programs that
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  Speaker 1: are taking place around the globe. I am really honored
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  Speaker 1: and privileged to be able to share.
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  Speaker 2: I could do the long.
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  Speaker 1: Biography of but I think for the purposes of what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be speaking about as truth as power,
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  Speaker 1: we'd like to just put out to the listening and
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  Speaker 1: viewing audience that this day of August seventeenth is a
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  Speaker 1: very significant day and history of African people, revolutionary people,
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  Speaker 1: Pan Africanists, persons, African fundamentalist persons, and the wider global
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  Speaker 1: community as it marks the anniversary of the birth of
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  Speaker 1: the Honorable Marcus Messiah Garvey. And we just would like
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  Speaker 1: persons to take a moment of reflection, a moment of silence,
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  Speaker 1: a moment of pause, and a moment of race, just
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  Speaker 1: in honor of this great, great African leader. And we
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  Speaker 1: can speak throughout tonight's broadcasts and tific absolum quotations that
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  Speaker 1: come from the Honorable Marcus Messiah Garvey, founder of the
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  Speaker 1: Universal Negro Improvement Association, African Communities League in nineteen fourteen
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  Speaker 1: and the Post the lead alongside other members of the
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  Speaker 1: UNIAACL of the significant convention hosted in Madison Square Garden
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  Speaker 1: in New York City in nineteen twenty during the month
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  Speaker 1: of Alvers through which several different significant observances, commemorations, even
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  Speaker 1: the decree of Negro People of the World came through
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  Speaker 1: those conventions. So there wasn't just a conference, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just a seminal, definitely not just a workshop, but it
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  Speaker 1: was an actual strategic.
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  Speaker 2: Plan for a government for the Universal Negro Improvement Association
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  Speaker 2: African Communities.
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  Speaker 1: League, which by definition every African doing work in our
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  Speaker 1: communities that are uplifting our communities are part of the
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  Speaker 1: African Communities League, just as the point of information. So
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  Speaker 1: with that being said, I would like to introduce and welcome.
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  Speaker 1: She's not a stranger to media and I'm definitely not
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  Speaker 1: a stranger to bringing true the power, and that is
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  Speaker 1: none other than my loved sister queen and scholar, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Rhoda Aarondell.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing, sister.
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  Speaker 3: Great good evening to you to your listeners viewers around
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  Speaker 3: the world. I am I'm doing great. Thank you so
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  Speaker 3: much as you. You know, I entered this new phase
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  Speaker 3: and I'm among some of the greatest in terms of grandmotherhood.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it's like having a new chime all over again, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: That's what's on my mind a lot these days.
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  Speaker 1: Yea, and many congratulations, many blessed congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: We're grateful that the journey went well for your daughter
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  Speaker 2: and her beloved husband.
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  Speaker 1: And we're very grateful to know that in the midst
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  Speaker 1: of all of the shroud of secrecy because you want
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  Speaker 1: to protect that mess, that you have joined our sacred
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  Speaker 1: queen random its circle, that's man, and we welcome you
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  Speaker 1: and with open arms and a lot of support and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of energy because we know
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  Speaker 1: what requires a significant amount of energy to hold that
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  Speaker 1: sacred space. And I'm always excited when we get an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to speak, because you know you have done a
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  Speaker 1: significant amount of work, you know, through your work, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming out of Croissant being raised in Saint Martin and
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  Speaker 1: highlighting that in Saint Martin's splowly to the Virgin Islands,
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  Speaker 1: or out designed that these are Caribbean territories that remain colonized.
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  Speaker 2: In the case of Saint.
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  Speaker 1: Martin by the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Republic
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  Speaker 1: of France, and in the case of the Virgin Islands,
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  Speaker 1: by the government of the United States of America. But
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  Speaker 1: I also black person to just be very clear that
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  Speaker 1: you know, you bring to this conversation, this conversation which
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  Speaker 1: is a very significant one as we're honoring, yes, the
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  Speaker 1: work of the illustrious lead off Marcus Massad Garving, but
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  Speaker 1: also those women and men that surrounded him and supported
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  Speaker 1: him to habit where the U n i A still
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  Speaker 1: exists in twenty twenty five. So I just relacked persons
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  Speaker 1: to just know, you know that in addition to you
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  Speaker 1: having credentials and degrees in linguistics and we can you know,
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  Speaker 1: we want to put out that shout out Syracuse, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and a pre law diploma from the University of the Netherland,
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  Speaker 1: Antilles and Curasow in addition to a master's in administration
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  Speaker 1: through the University of the Virgin Islands.
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  Speaker 2: You beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Right and you know, and then securing your PhD in
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  Speaker 1: English Linguistics with a very special advised area in your
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  Speaker 1: discipline of Caribbean languages from the University of Puerto Frico Previdas.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important for persons to know that you
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  Speaker 1: also have served as an elected minister, so the first
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  Speaker 1: Minister of Education, Culture, Sports and Youth Affairs in Saint Martin.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really important to know that, and that
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  Speaker 1: that was through the ud up DP coalition. Yes, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you speak more to that as we also,
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  Speaker 1: you know you've published work, you know, your groundbreaking work
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  Speaker 1: on language, culture and Identity in Saint Martin, published in
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, speaks volumes and is essential read for persons
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  Speaker 1: that are understanding, desire to understand I should say language, linguistics, communication, identity,
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  Speaker 1: ethics as well as culture. I also think that you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're hearing that we're waiting for this next manuscript around
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  Speaker 1: how to get a world class education from Saint Martin.
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  Speaker 1: I had to tip my crown for a second. I said,
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  Speaker 1: we's in, you know, just just putting it out there
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  Speaker 1: because you know, being in all of these different places
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  Speaker 1: and just and currently being our immediate past president of
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  Speaker 1: the Caribbean Studies Association and having a very successful CSA
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  Speaker 1: conference in June of this year that brought together hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of scholars from around the world around significant themes linked
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  Speaker 1: to reparatory justice, reparation, et cetera, you know, self.
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  Speaker 2: Intermination and more.
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  Speaker 1: And being able to blend that with the efforts and
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  Speaker 1: the again another significant convening of the Saint Martin Book Paer,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and having that connection with the house and
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  Speaker 1: the HESSI publishers and one SXM and all of the
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  Speaker 1: other phenomenal creatives and artivists out of Saint Martin and
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  Speaker 1: the wider Caribbean and the world, you know, convening in
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  Speaker 1: Saint Martin.
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  Speaker 2: In the midst of all of this.
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  Speaker 1: You also teach and serve as a professor at Howard University.
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  Speaker 1: So I just wanted people to know that just having
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  Speaker 1: you make time to join us here this evening, especially
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the semesters, we both shared that issue.
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  Speaker 2: We're very grateful, fir Oh.
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  Speaker 4: That was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, let me just thank you again and
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  Speaker 3: your team for this opportunity. It is when you started
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  Speaker 3: listing these things that I'm reminded because you, like I,
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  Speaker 3: we're so busy, Like I always ask like, where do
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  Speaker 3: you get the time? Right, and we're so busy doing
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  Speaker 3: the work that we do. Is when I heard you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned I was like, oh, my goodness, I forgot about that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because you're busy working. So I want to
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  Speaker 3: thank you for the breather, for the opportunity to do this,
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  Speaker 3: but also to reflect. And then as you were speaking,
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking, how do we tie this back into
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  Speaker 3: what we are doing this evening. We're talking about honoring
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  Speaker 3: the legacy of the Honorable Marcus Mosiah Garvey, but also
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  Speaker 3: knowing that that has been the thing that has, you know,
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  Speaker 3: influenced our work and our drive to do the things
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  Speaker 3: that we're doing. When you think back of all the
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  Speaker 3: work that we're doing, it comes back to the basic
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  Speaker 3: principles that were coming out of the teachings of Marcus Garvey.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm glad, you know, for this opportunity, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to our discussion. It was that me was
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  Speaker 3: that frozen? Can you ladies hear me?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Still?
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  Speaker 4: It says offline? Who's offline? I'm not offline? Can you
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  Speaker 4: hear me?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what happened there. It could be you,
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  Speaker 4: it could be me.
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  Speaker 1: So you keep it going whenever it happens, It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Because yeah, we also have a little substandard kind
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  Speaker 3: of internet connectivity here at times. Okay, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: if it's here.
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  Speaker 1: But that's been involved in the VERSIONALI so please moving
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  Speaker 1: forward from that conversation of honoring Garby.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, what was that?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's saying offline, but yeah, I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 3: you can hear me, and I want to say thanks,
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  Speaker 3: and it's funny or maybe not how sometimes these things happen.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what I am going to do. I
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  Speaker 4: am going to try something else. Yeah, can you still
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  Speaker 4: hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you keep going because you're already because I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: too sure because I was I was thinking maybe I
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  Speaker 3: should go to my computer where I know my data
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  Speaker 3: is a little more stable based on my AT and
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  Speaker 3: T account. But if this works, then I'll just stay here.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, yes, I see now I'm here. Can you
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  Speaker 3: hear me? Is that is that the chin there?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try also to see what happens from my
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  Speaker 3: cell phone because I think my cell phone allows me to.
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  Speaker 2: Be able to continue the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I'm hearing you, queen, We're not kay? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting feedback because I think I will I'll switch devices.
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  Speaker 2: We're not not.
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  Speaker 4: Can you can you hear me?
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  Speaker 2: Wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Discussions that are happening in the globe, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: whether it's the yeah, the Besani International and the Black
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  Speaker 1: Star African Network. Yes, I hear you. Well, I was
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  Speaker 1: just giving keep going okay, okay, I can hear you
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  Speaker 1: when we can see your eyes. Okay, So the challenge okay,
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  Speaker 1: she's switching it around. We can hear you now, h Okay, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here because we can hear you, and I can
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  Speaker 1: see that you came into the platform.
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  Speaker 2: But I.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, are you able to see she has an opened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, no words?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, I am making sure that she can
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  Speaker 1: have you inside of the platform. I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the ability to do. Okay, whoa And
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  Speaker 1: now she's gone, okay, I'm gonna because I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: my concern let me hear you speak please.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The challenge that I have is from where I am.
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  Speaker 2: I am. I can hear you, but you're not in
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  Speaker 2: the studio, so I have to.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, okay, we'll buy that nowherees no whereas well, let's
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  Speaker 6: speak when I'm speak, you go ahead and speak when
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  Speaker 6: you go ahead, please, you go ahead and speak.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not hearing you. Dog. Oh yeah, okay, got you, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I got it. I'm back right.
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  Speaker 2: So let's move to the next part.
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  Speaker 1: Because so viewers and listeners were very appreciative that you
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  Speaker 1: were so patient with some of our technological issues here.
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  Speaker 2: Just think of it as the whorld win.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot that's taking place, and this is
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  Speaker 2: also happening on.
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  Speaker 1: The eve of the forthcoming Characteresta X five XV fifteen
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  Speaker 1: being hosted in Barbados Center, is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: host of energy. It'll be a serious whirlwind, a serious
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  Speaker 1: k bona energy in terms of dance being to film,
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  Speaker 1: visual arts, performative arts, literature, culinary arts. I'm sure I'm
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  Speaker 1: missing out quite a few things because there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: some big conversations, big conversations. I'm gonna keep saying that,
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  Speaker 1: big conversations and a lot of observances of different activities
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  Speaker 1: and educational opportunities that actually blend together for the wider
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  Speaker 1: Caribbean spaces.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's important for persons to just be aware.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know what Carafesta is, we're encouraging you
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  Speaker 1: to dot net and just again c A R I
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  Speaker 1: F E S t A dot net and you'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to get a good breathe, breather of exactly what
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  Speaker 1: Carafesta is the focus for this international Caribbean rounded Caribbean
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  Speaker 1: celebratory space. As I said, visual arts, music, theater, dance, film, fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure I don't forget that part fashion. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say that again. You go see some series, the Grand Market,
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  Speaker 1: the literary arts. There's a significant you know, a big
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  Speaker 1: conversations symposia and a host of different concerts, a youth
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  Speaker 1: village and so much more. And I just want to
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  Speaker 1: put the extra plug. I see already at Saint Martin
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  Speaker 1: bringing a delegation. Yes, so definitely congratulations to the people
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  Speaker 1: of Saint Martin. We're looking forward to all of the
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  Speaker 1: creatives and all of the scholars, including yourself, that are
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  Speaker 1: going to be participatory in Cairo Festa fifteen August twenty
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  Speaker 1: second to third first in one of the Caribbean's newest.
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  Speaker 2: Republics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm excited about So that's why I just
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  Speaker 1: want you know, so please speak freely in regard to
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that are happening in Saint Martin.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how does that relate to African fundamentalism? And
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  Speaker 1: I always start with.
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  Speaker 2: What would Marcus start?
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I was, I've been told about the delegation that Saint
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  Speaker 3: Martins sending. I will privy to some of the information
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  Speaker 3: because again everybody, and I think it's like every other
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  Speaker 3: Caribbean territory, we talk about budgetary constraints, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: So when I when I saw the delegation that was
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  Speaker 3: being put together with discussions with having talked to the
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  Speaker 3: head of the Culture department, my understanding is that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we try to represent as broad as spectrum as possible
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that Saint Martin is fully represented on
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  Speaker 3: the stage in terms of its its artistic repertoire, because
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  Speaker 3: we have quite a number of talented people here from
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  Speaker 3: across all genres. And when I saw the delegation that
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  Speaker 3: was that that is on its way there, I said, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: they it's a younger delegation, but the intention seems to
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  Speaker 3: have been to cover the spectrum right, So for me,
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  Speaker 3: that is going to be for us the work that
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  Speaker 3: we do that is going to be so important. Number
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  Speaker 3: one day, younger and number two, they are able to
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  Speaker 3: exchange because they will also be sharing what they can do,
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  Speaker 3: but they will be learning a lot from our Caribbean
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  Speaker 3: brothers and sisters. And as often happens in these colonial spaces,
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  Speaker 3: like in the Virgin Islands, like in put Ariquent, some
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  Speaker 3: of these places, when we engage with the wider Caribbean,
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  Speaker 3: we realize that, you know, there's some things that are
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  Speaker 3: very different and there are other things that are very
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  Speaker 3: much alike. And I'm looking forward to see what that
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  Speaker 3: translates into how we see.
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  Speaker 4: Ourselves at Saint MARTINEUS. So that's one.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, we're artists, et cetera, but we're colonized artists
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  Speaker 3: in Saint Martin. Our artists are in a colonial space,
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  Speaker 3: still colonize. And when we're looking at a platform like
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  Speaker 3: carry F, we're talking about the full potential of the Caribbean.
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  Speaker 3: What does it mean when you live in a colonized
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  Speaker 3: space and how does that influence the conversations that you
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  Speaker 3: are having with a Caribbean peer.
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  Speaker 4: So that's one. And then on the side.
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  Speaker 3: Of the discussions, the heavier stuff where there will be
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  Speaker 3: discussions about decolonization, et cetera. One s exam a one
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  Speaker 3: Saint Martin. Our organization has been invited and we will
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  Speaker 3: be participating in those conversations as well. You know, how
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  Speaker 3: do we in Sint Martin today move forward as we
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  Speaker 3: are seeking our a decolonized space. We want to have
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  Speaker 3: our Caribbean fully decolonized and.
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  Speaker 4: What is our role?
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  Speaker 3: Because we keep getting invited and we're part of these discussions,
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  Speaker 3: but the question is what are we going to actively
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  Speaker 3: do to make it happen?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, how do we not as individuals, not as not
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  Speaker 3: just engels and organizations, but how do we influence the
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  Speaker 3: government or sort of urge or nudge the government to
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  Speaker 3: also move towards that goal right of a decolonized space.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a lot of what I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 3: in the discussion with car with carrifesta.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful and this is something that allows for and again
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  Speaker 1: I encourage persons that are not familiar to go to
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  Speaker 1: Carafesta dot net and that way you can see a
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  Speaker 1: range of not only what's happening. So it's not just
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  Speaker 1: festivities and party and so for even if that's a
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  Speaker 1: portion of it, but it's showing authentically how culture serves
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  Speaker 1: as culture and heritage and literacy, and all of the
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  Speaker 1: creatives actually becomes this and a quote. The Caribbean Festival
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  Speaker 1: of Arts Carafesta has assumed a pre eminent place among
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  Speaker 1: the elements that define and give expression to the uniqueness
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  Speaker 1: of our Caribbean reality. Like other significant institutions such as Cricket,
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  Speaker 1: CX and Caracom Caribbean Community that symbolize a Caribbean commonalty,
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  Speaker 1: the festival reinforces our unity amidst our splendid diversity. Carafesta,
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  Speaker 1: which has been hailed as the inspirational exchange of creative flows,
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  Speaker 1: has its foundations in the staging of the first Caribbean
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  Speaker 1: Festival of Arts and San Juan, Puerto Rico in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty two. This event sparked enthusiasm across the region for
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  Speaker 1: celebrating the excellence of Caribbean artistry. The creation of the
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  Speaker 1: West Indian Federation Indies Federation was marked by the staging
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  Speaker 1: of a festival in Trinidad through the auspices of the
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  Speaker 1: extramural department of the then University College of the West
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  Speaker 1: Indies which is now University the University of the West Indies.
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  Speaker 1: This celebratory spirit infused the artistic community of the region,
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  Speaker 1: and it was at a regional gathering of artists in
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  Speaker 1: Guyana in nineteen seventy that the idea of a Grand
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  Speaker 1: Caribbean Festival was conceived unquote. And I think it's important
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  Speaker 1: to just know some of that history. So when you
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  Speaker 1: go to that Karafesta dot net website, please look at
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  Speaker 1: the about just to get a snippet that's like a
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  Speaker 1: photos picture of what were some of the foundational pieces,
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  Speaker 1: and it gives more information of what transpired, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the sixties leading up to nineteen seventy and then
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  Speaker 1: having this first festival of arts in Guyana in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy two and the rest is history. So keeping in
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  Speaker 1: mind that what's happening is linked to these types of
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  Speaker 1: things and it has expanded, so persons know that there
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: are these big conversations on issues that affect this region.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And for the.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Persons in the back of the room, anything that happens
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in the Caribbean impacts not only the North and South
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Americas everybody in between, but the entire globe. I just
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: need that to sink in and you need to simmer
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on that song.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, most of.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Us are, you know, I hope where persons are hearing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and understanding, and I say not just understand, but from
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the inside, get that comprehension that these spaces that we're referencing,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and specifically the spaces in which doctor Rode Arundel and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: myself reside, there's still colonies in two thousand and twenty five,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: even though entities like the United Nations since the nineteen
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: fifties have created and had general assemblies with very specific resolutions.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Were there to be no more colonial territorial spaces on
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the entire earth, that's all one of the ninety three
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: plus countries, but there still are.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I think we are all duty bound
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to try to change that.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Like you said, I'm with you on you know, the party,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: and we love a good party as Caribbean people. We
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: love good literature and poetry and performances, et cetera.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: We really have to talk.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: About this part of our our celebration as a people,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: as Caribbean people, but also how it affects and how
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: it's connected to what's happening in the world.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Connected.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: You can't disconnect us from what's happening in the rest
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: of the world, you know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Correct, And I really would be remiss if I didn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: identify that. You know, we have had your off and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: if through one s exam and through the Caribbean Pan
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: African Network and other formations in the region. While our
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: respective spaces, territorial spaces do not have sovereignty and independence yet,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it's through these civil society networks, these non governmental networks
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and our partnerships with governmental networks that we are able
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to share our narratives and our quest for decolonization, our
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: quest for self determination, our self for a different type
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of It may not be independence immediately for some, but
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: there needs to be some type of what people like
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to call pre association or some type of social governance
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that provides for that quest towards independence in regard to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the lives, the livelihood the land.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep coming back to that one.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: The land and the vision and the desires and needs
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: of the people in Saint Martin, in Puerto Rico, in
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the Virgin Islands, you know, and we can go on Guam,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Samoa and then so I think it's important to know
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that it's not only the US and France or the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: never Never speaking of you know, there's things that are
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: still held in territorial colonial spaces from Spain, Portugal. I mean,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: this is not you know the UK, you know the British,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and we'll notice that these are the same entities that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: have reaped wealth beyond measure m hmm from even the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: enslavement experienced process more accurately, the human trafficking of Africans
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: from the continent all twelve square moths into these spaces
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: on the other side of the Atlantic, as well as
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: moving these bodies into other parts of the globe. So
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that's why I always highlight when we're speaking of Caribbean
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: themes and Caribbean civilization and Caribbean upliftment and artistry and artivism.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I like that term artivism because our artists in these
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: spaces have to be activists at the same time. M
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and so you know, so and yourself included. Because a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: number of things that were done in the recent CSA
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: conference of twenty twenty five, as well as the Saint
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Martin book fair and all of the different in the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: manner in which things were done on the entire isle
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of Saint Martin, So there was one Saint Martin authentically
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't the north side, in the south side, It wasn't
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the Dutch and French. It was one Saint Martin. That's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to a lev vibe. I think that was really what
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you cross really powerfully and I would love for you
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to share, you know, how do you bring that into
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: into places like the characteristic vibration as well as how
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: do you bring that into your classroom when you're teaching
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: or how do you do that because I didn't even
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: mention that, but please share. You know, you have a
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: radio broadcaster to do weekly as well. I think it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: for people to know some details about that how they
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: can contact you as well, so that you know, persons
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: know how to follow up. So this isn't a one
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and done type piece.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Now that's a very interesting question because just today I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: was asked by someone and this is someone in their
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: forties right, who said, you know, can you help me?
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: This is a young person, younger person who was asked
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: basically like who are USA might and people? And they
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: were asked this question by someone in the United States
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: and he said to me, well, I want to ask
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: you this, how do we come to this conversation of
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the division of the island. And then also if I
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: were to say to someone that I'm Africa Caribbean is
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: it correct now. I thought that was interesting that I say,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Martin person is asking me. And this is because when
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you live in these colonial spaces, this, this idea of
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: identity becomes front and center. Who exactly are you and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: how do you represent yourself and how do you identify
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: So one of the things that we as one s
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Exmoor one Saint Martin as a group, try to stick
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to because our association is founded on the principle that
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Saint Martin people are one people, which is something that
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: we didn't have to make up.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: It was there.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Even before the actual acceptance of the partitioning of the
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: island between the French and the Dutch and sixteen forty
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: eight that with these different administrations that had been in
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: charge or in control of the rock at different times,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: that the people, certainly among themselves, remain one right. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: when you think of the African ancestors, they were deemed property,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: so they weren't even considered humans, and their use, if
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: I may use the word use, but the utilization of
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: their labor. Didn't they want a boundaries so you could
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: pick them up and put them to work in salt
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: pans that were administered by a Dutch colonial state or
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: French colonial state, or when the British were here, when
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the Spanish real there. So it didn't matter to them
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: because these these were property, but they could be used
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: and they referred to it as free movement of goods,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: meaning the African ancestors. So from that point we begin
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: our work in one.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Sexem one Saint Martin. That in spite of because what we've.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Seen in the last and I may they're saying the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: last thirty years, for certain last twenty years or so,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: is that you people use the word recolonization, but I
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: tend to not say read because they never left. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: what you do see is the stronger effort for doing
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: more of the Dutch and the French presence.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Because on that, yes, you need to reel and come
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: again with that one, the recolonization real and.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't read something that never ended, right, it's
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: been there. They never stopped the colonization of our islands.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Right, they have a whole onto the crown.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're using that language. Right, they're using that
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: language or neo colonialism, and it's nothing new about what's happening.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: It's the same continuous, you know activity. But what they
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: literally they had abandoned us, and we were quite grateful.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: But with that abandonment and with the focus on William
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Stutt as the center for the Dutch, Ambasstare in Guadeloupe
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: as the center for the French, we in Saint Martin
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: pretty much left on our own. Even though they were
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: they listed us as Netherlands, Antilles and French West Indies,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the focus was not on the same Martin people and
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: their development.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: So what has happened is that the people on their
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: own went about doing their own thing and their administration.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: You know, big influence of American tourism, in North American
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: tourism as far as Canada, etc. So the island starts
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: to flourish again, and then you see this big narrative about.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: French and Dutch and how much Dutch.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Is missing and more of Dutch days and more of
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Dutch and education and more, because there seems to be
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: a tendency to reclaim the space even though they've never left,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: but they are reclaiming it in the name of France
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: and the Netherlands. And that's what we are up against
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: as one as exam. We are trying to remind not
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: just our indigenous people who know this. But our visitors,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: the newcomers, the ones who are coming with the new
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Dutch passport and the new French passport, who do not
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: have this history, this connection to the ancestral lineage. Right,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: The people were always one. They're usually coming from places
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: like Suriname, the Netherlands, from the other Caribbean territories where
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: we switched over to English's language of instructions. They are
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: coming from Jamaica and Guyana, so they are our Saint
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Martine's but they are the newcomers, and they now tend
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to affiliate with the Netherlands or France versus Saint Martin,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: but not all of them. But that's the narrative that
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: you're Dutch, you carry a Dutch passport, you live on
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: the Dutch side and you can't on the friend side.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And if you're French, you know what loop is more,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you know, endemic rather than so we we're up against that,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and so our aim is to remind the Saint Martin
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: people and all our visitors that we are first and
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: foremost Saint Martin people. We are one people, and that's
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: how we spread the word right. And so we've had
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to fight for the correct spelling of our name, for example,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: in using our language, which is which is the English language?
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: And to what extent is that different from the territory
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: that is occupied by the Dutch and how what that means.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: This is an ongoing conversation, but it's starting to catch on,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: as you mentioned, through our radio programming, our articles or
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: social media posts, et cetera, that at least the awareness
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: is out there that the spellings represent different things, that
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: this is when we are making reference to a specific
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: territory versus when we are referring to the entire island
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: and the entire and the entire people. But not everyone
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: accepts it. So it's an ongoing struggle, but we are
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: determined and we are now hoping that with these new
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: conversations as you were you you saw, with this conversation
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: of slavery and slavery past and Dutch funding, et cetera,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: that we do not get left out of that country
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: because that that narrative is intended to erase. This is
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: what we are talking about, right, you know, in the
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Dutch Kingdom. This is what happened and this is how
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: it may be. We can talk about it as a
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Dutch family, but we want to move on and we
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: are in one Saint Martina is saying, hold up, we
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: can talk about these things, but our moving on is
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: not in a shared future with the Kingdom of the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Netherlands or with the Republic of France. Our shared future
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: is in the Caribbean and how do we get to
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: become more integrated in the Caribbean family. So that's the
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: work that we're doing, that's how we're pushing the conversation.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And it's being And thank you so much for giving
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: us that eloquent, yet sequential and developmental understanding of how
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that's what is intended and what is being done, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: why some of the disingenuous efforts of the respective sovereigns,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: whether they're in the Netherlands, the US, the UK, or wherever, France,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: et cetera, that there is a very clear ideological frame
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of reference and a very clear form of implementation and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: organization to make sure that that reparations platform, that reparations
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: framework and those repreatoral justice initiatives are one and the same,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and that persons are really clear on You can't speak
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: for us and then tell us that it's a neo
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this or a recolonization that or past this or past that,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: because if it was in the past, then it would
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: have been healed, it would have been resolved, there would
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: have been equitable distribution of the wealth based on their
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: not being an equitable distribution of the wealth from the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: time that you were raping and pillaging and committing genocidal
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: terrorism against humanity in the form of our ancestors.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And see we are able.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: To say these things in a very diplomatic I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that was a nice version of how it could be
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: said versus how it can be like slash and burn
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and what is happening. Especially with our young people, they're
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: still framing a more clear understanding of how not to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: just go into a rage space.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: When they hear that really happened.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: They did what you know, and then that little energy
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you know, and we're working our best not to lose
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that warrior energy, not to lose that warrior spirit, because
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that's essential to move certain things forward. You don't just
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that's you know, you start to spark of the revolution anywhere.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It's just able to be able to share this information,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: have proper educational engagement. That's why when we see entities,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: governments that we will not name that want to block
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and remove and reconfigure historical truths or delete them and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: make it institutionally appropriate for there to be lies told
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: on what were the foundational cornerstones of the development of
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: a respective nation that is quite sovereign and placing its
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: talents and fangs around the globe. That's why you have
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: person since rising up the way that they are in
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: different parts of the world. That's why we're seeing young
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: people rise up. And it's a powerful type of a conversation.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And I see that through the lens of the work
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that wanted to extem has done within the CARA com
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Reparations Commission, along with the work of the Caribbean Kind
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: African Network again as members within the CARA comb Preparations Commission,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that there are a number of big conversations that are
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: again part of the Caribbean Festival Tarafesta fifteen and Barbados.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: You know of which representatives yourself, myself included, have been
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: invited to engage. I think it's important that persons know
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that these are the types of initiatives that are ongoing.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And see some people like to think that an initiative
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: just started, but ongoing are not just not just projects
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: but these are actually institutions that have teeth and have
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: actionable deliverables that are tied to our respective spaces, lands, people, institutions, persons.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: And much much more.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And what we're beginning to highlight in the format of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: some of our activities is to be able to place.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So it may be we may say something in a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: lecture that would come across very harsh and.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, how did that happen? Versus you hear
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: it in a song. Then it comes to us when
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: somebody says.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Queen marry, Queen marry, where you're going to bun just
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: past the mattrash rights and house where we're going to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: bun when we sing it. And that's just one of
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the examples, I mean, as many others, and I know
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a c mm hmm interchangeable vibrations
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: and expertise from youth all the way to well seasoned
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: artists that are going to be sharing. Again, these conversations
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: are going to happen in chat and language, and they're
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: going to happen through all these other mediums with creative arts.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And then it's going to be a lot of fellowship
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: where persons are going to have these even bigger conversations
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: we pray on just in the marketplace and just in
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the villages, and just as coming to know one another
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and to bring a oneness when we speak of this
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: oneness in the Caribbean civilization spaces. So I'm looking forward
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to that and that for me, and you could concur
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: if you agree, is the essence of some of the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: quest for African unity through the lens of the Universal
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Negro Improvement Association.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: And of course it's not the same.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: You know, the term Negro was used in nineteen fourteen,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people have issues with that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: But I always.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Encouraged persons, I said, but to know that there is
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: an entity, and I always put it in that same frame,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: even people like Madam C. J. Walker was a financier
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: for the U and I A conventions in New.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: York, right, people, I to be wells M.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: H Man, you know so great and I think you
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: and many others that you know come in and out.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's this recent publication I was going to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: put my hands on by doctor Natanya Duncan, who you
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: know shared her work at the CSA conference, who has
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: been sharing her work. It's wonderful phenomenal publication on Efficient
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Womanhood the Women of the un i A and by
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: doctor Natanya Duncan, who is the director of Africana Studies
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: at Queen's College in New York. I think it's important
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: for persons to know that there are publications like that
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that are also paired with other activities happening in communities,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: whether it's Saturday, you know, send copa Saturday programs, you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: spearheaded by young sisters not so young anymore, like.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: You know Dara.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Beniva Cooper, who is a professional community communication specialists right
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: coming out of the Virgent Islands and doing her work,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you know, throughout the region. I think it's important to
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: know that there are a number of organizational entities that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: are doing this type of work to tell these truths
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: through different lenses and different platforms and different media frameworks,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: so we can actually stop having a repeat of the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: mistruths that are customarily shared with our people.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: One of the things we're you know, one of the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: things we're dealing with here in the Virgin Islands of
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the United States, and that's been an issue. Well, it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if we say USBI us Virgin Islands or
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: if we put Virgin Islands first the last and I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: said it does you do I said, legally, it's the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Virgin Islands of the United States, according to the original
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Organic Act in nineteen you know when they did the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: transfer and purchase in the nineteen seventeen I mean, it
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: was very clear.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: They didn't call it US anything.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: They called it the Right Islands of the United States,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: which would really translate into Virgin Islands US if we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: chose to do right. But there's person for I guess
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: tourists reasons and to just make it more palatable that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: are comfortable putting the colonizer first and not thinking that
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: that matters, very similar to what Santa Claus looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what they what they try here is this thing
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  Speaker 3: called Caribbean Netherlands. You know what the heck is that right?
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  Speaker 3: And we go like, no, there's no Caribbean Netherlands. The
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  Speaker 3: adjective describing the Netherlands is Caribbean. Caribban is Caribbean, Netherlands
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  Speaker 3: is Netherlands. But what they try to do is name
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: these islands like Stacia and Bonaire and and save up
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Caribbean Netherlands. And that's again something that that we fight
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  Speaker 3: against how do you mean it doesn't matter? It does
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: matter because one is a description of a thing and
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: the other thing says, this is what the identity looks like.
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  Speaker 3: And we're telling we're telling you that we're Caribbean people.
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  Speaker 4: We're not. This is not the Netherlands.
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  Speaker 1: Netherlands is in Europe, right, And I think that's important
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  Speaker 1: because that's come many times, even when I'm making reference
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  Speaker 1: to our neighboring Aisle. Here of the quote Britain Virgin Islands,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: we just say Virgin Islands, and we tend to say
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Virgin Islands, and then people get a little bit, what
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: do you mean United Virgin Islands?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: They're different, And I'm like, pass almost.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Hot bloodline, family line, cross a piece of water topic
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  Speaker 1: between Tortola and Saint John and Saint and so I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even though there's a Brazilian different little Virgin Islands in between,
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  Speaker 1: we tend the Virgin Islands and then you have to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: figure out which one is it Gotta Jules van Dyke,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Virgin Gorda, Tortola, Wata Islands, Saint John's Sat Growing Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: whichever islands. Yeah, and then we know there at the
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  Speaker 1: time that they would try to speak of in Puerto
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Rico and Cole and vies as the Spanish Virgin Islands.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Wow even I'm just saying, so we really are moving
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, you know through these types of
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Carafesta, whether it's whether it's through
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  Speaker 1: care com Reparations Commission, whether it's to be an African
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Network one ESSEXM And I'm saying all these names so
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: people know that there are formations that are more than
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  Speaker 1: just us. There their rtities, you know, whether it's to
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  Speaker 1: the Universal Negro Improvement Associateation, African Communities League RC twenty
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: or any formation of the u ni A because there
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: are there are many across the globe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the person.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: You know, whether it's the All African People's Revolutionary Party,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the All African Women's Revolutionary Union, we consider you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the afric Descendants Tribal Council in Costa Rica, right, whether
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: it's through the Six Region diesquorco BECUS. There's like so
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: many formations and I'm not naming all. I'm just saying
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the ones that that keep resonating. You know, this Emancipation
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Support Committee of Trinidad and Tobago that is consistently doing
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: things around these types of discussions. I just think it's
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: amazing that we're going to be able to have this
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: conversation forwards coming and of course the African Union an
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: air com gathering that's going to be happening in adis
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Abab in the beginning of September, and that there are
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: representatives from our Caribbean spaces that are going to be
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: participatory as well. And even if it's not those of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: us in our immediate circle, they are going to be
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: persons that are going to be going with content inpute
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: those of us in the wider circle. So we're always
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: encouraging persons to email. You know, I will give some
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: of that shortly because we have a few more minutes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'd like to leave no dog.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: You know, you made a good point yes to Two
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: days ago, I was shopping, minding my business and there
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: is a local guy, musician, leader of a band.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: He walks up to me.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: He said, you know what, I'm an anesthesiologist, right, that's
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: what he does professionally. And he says, all my life
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I've concentrated on music and anesthesiology, right, that's what I do, right,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: he said, But now that I'm in this age. He's
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: about our age. He's a little older and I am
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: a year or two. And he said, now that I'm
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: in this age, I'm reading a lot more, but I'm
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: paying attention to what's happening with Africa and the Caribbean.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: And I want to encourage you guys to keep doing
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  Speaker 3: the work that you do, et cetera. And the reason
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I brought this up when because I went to school
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: with this young man. He went to and adlast did
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: his studies, and again we meet on the party floor,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: we dance.
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  Speaker 4: That's an awesome man, et cetera.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: But the fact that in his sixties now he's saying
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: to me, I'm reading more, I'm understanding more of Africa.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing more. He came back at some point and
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: talked to me about.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: You know, we should talk about food that we eat,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: whether we're importing it from the right places. Should we
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: get a direct link to Africa? What can we do?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: How can we change the quality of the food that
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: we are bringing in. So there's all of this, and
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful that what you just raised. It may
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: not be you and I individual be personally, but more
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: of our people are starting to see and to appreciate
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: the work, the engagement, the connection, and it's for lack
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: of exposure, lack of access, lack of knowledge, et cetera.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: But you're seeing it once it's available, or they become
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: a lot more aware of what else is there other
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: than the colonial narrative, then they're more inclined to say, Okay,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: this doesn't look like right, this looks this is a
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: better fit for me. So hearing you say that, I'm thinking,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: that's exactly what it's about when we do.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: This work exactly.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: So that's why we're excited about what's coming forward in
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: these next iterations, you know, these next free ways, days, months,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And we encourage persons please give a please
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• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Please okay, we have on we have on two well,
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  Speaker 3: there are three programs that are linked each other, but
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  Speaker 3: they're all part of the same work. But one of
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  Speaker 3: six m's actual program is on my eighty eight point
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  Speaker 3: three FM, and that's on Saturdays from five to seven
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  Speaker 3: pm every Saturday. And then we partner with like you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned SOOS Radio and in particular Culture conscious Lyrics Foundation,
• 52:23
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• 52:26
  Speaker 3: he does a program on Saturday at twelve on SOOS
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Radio which is ninety nine point five FM, and then
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: he does something I can remember the name of the
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  Speaker 3: exact program on Monday at six pm on the same
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  Speaker 3: radio station. And then the one that Fabian and I
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  Speaker 3: do on Sundays from one to two pm on one
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  Speaker 3: and the name of.
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  Speaker 2: The programs one O two or one O seven one O.
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  Speaker 3: Two point seven F and it's called Culture Time and
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: it literally does talk only about culture, things about culture
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: and how these things relate, you know, to culture.
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  Speaker 4: And that's from one to two on Sundays.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: So when we do.
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  Speaker 1: Email me, is there an email I can put in
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• 53:19
  Speaker 3: On us, You could use my email because then I
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  Speaker 3: could if they do that, I could spread them out
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  Speaker 3: to the exact ones because I can't remember Susha as email.
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  Speaker 2: There, no problem, no problem. I just wanted to know
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: that we had that.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you, I mean, and I'm grateful because sometimes we
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: do not have all of the time and platforms in
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• 53:41
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• 54:00
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: That way you can keep something you won't have to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: go through another ten thousand emails. Yes, ma'am right, very grateful,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So thank you. I mean again, you see how fast
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that time went.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: I can't believe it to them, like is that is it? Really?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And that was with us just having you know, just
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• 54:27
  Speaker 2: But I want to thank you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Again, Sister Queen, Thank you mother doctor Roda Arundel of
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: one essexem as well as a representative of the CRC
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: coming through the Care com Reparations Commission and other organizations,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: for just your representation, your candidness with sharing some updates
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: on what's taking place in our beloved sister island of St.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Martin, home of some of.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: My grand parents and want to make sure I say
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  Speaker 1: of the care com initiatives that are coming forward, really
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  Speaker 1: making sure that we can show that support and for
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  Speaker 1: all of the scholars artivists that are going to be
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: participatory in Carafesta fifteen and Barbados from August twenty second
• 55:23
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• 55:25
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• 56:38
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• 56:42
  Speaker 2: all I.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Would close with would be to say hotep and just
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: stay free and be safe. And if you have worldwinds
• 56:49
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• 56:54
  Speaker 1: in the world when m and we just as one god,
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  Speaker 1: one to aim one destiny because our victory is certain.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Have a blessed evening, many blessings.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Have a good one. See you and your your audience,
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  Speaker 4: see you.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Soon, see you soon. Blessings, blessings.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Bye Doctor Angelo.
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  Speaker 6: Yah h
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.