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Mark Martin | Kenny Conversation #2 · Kenny Wallace Media

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Well, I take a deep breath when I get excited like this.
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My dear friend Nascar Hall of Famer.
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He's won so many races in everything.
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Mark Martin, Mark, thanks for joining us.
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It's good to Be With You. Kenny, can't wait to do this
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thing. You got a beautiful home there,
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buddy. I love your roof.
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It looks very nice. Thank you.
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This is a library. I don't spend much time in here.
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Yeah. Well Mark, you know what?
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We'll just jump right into it. It you know, they can t
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conversation is just that it's a conversation you and I have
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known each other forever but the fans Mark, they love you.
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And the first thing they'll want to know is what is Mark Martin
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up to? Where is he at?
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What's going on, man? I'm living life.
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I don't know how you could possibly be.
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So dang busy and be retired. I sure didn't have time.
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You know, I wouldn't have time for a job right now.
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Yeah, there you just say I don't know stay really busy doing do
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the things, I love, you know, get to see some family made, you
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know, some friends and just living living the good life.
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You know more we have so much to talk about.
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I've made notes my friend but I get to see your fans.
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Do see you on social media and we've had this conversation
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before you said to me Herrmann. You got that dirt car and I have
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this motor home, buddy. Those motor homes, that you are
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building for yourself, are absolutely a piece of artwork,
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by the way, thank you for sharing your newest build.
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Tell us how this motor home RV. How this this started?
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Well, first of all for the ones that aren't following along if
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they want to, they can go to one Mark Martin on the Instagram or
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the art of the Mark, Martin official page on Facebook,
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either one. And so this, this build started
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about, you know, about six months ago and we just had the
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one up, it's my thing just like you like your Dirt modifieds, or
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we need to have a thing, right? Without a thing, I'm in trouble,
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we all are, you know, I'm in big trouble.
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I I need to have something that, you know, occupies my, my time
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and my brain and gives me drive and and, and all that stuff.
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So, you know, I really love these things.
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I like getting around. I like going around in them but
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I like As much designing and finishing and protect and
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perfecting as as I do anything, it's the process.
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It's just like building that new race car every year.
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You know, when we started racing, I don't know about you
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but you know, we built a new, I built it, we built a new late
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model every year and you built it better than the one before
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and that's kind of what what I do now.
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It's what What what? I enjoy built a new one about
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every three years. The last this is my third one
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in, you know, in six years. So it's going to last me.
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I'm planning on it. Sticking with me more than three
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years for sure. This one were taking it to the
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next level. So you know more, I see what's
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going on. You build these beautiful motor
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homes. Those buses I think bus is a
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more high-end word for you. Build these you use them for
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three years, they have the Mark Martin effect.
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They're absolutely beautiful. The wiring you know we get to
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watch it be built and then I see people lining up to pay you if
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not the same more for this beautiful bus because you've had
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it for three years, have you had people already call you yet for
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this one? You're building this?
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Well, not for the one. I Holding the one, the one that
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we have now presently is been spoken for for, I don't know, 99
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months or so a long time. Yeah, yeah, a good solid, nine
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months. So it's spoken for I wish I
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could buy one for me. I mean, in the work that I put
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into one after it's finished is just astronomical.
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Comical just making it mine and perfecting things and making
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things work even better. And I just fix my thing.
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You know, I don't like to be the handyman around the house, I do
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the things that I got to do, but you know, vehicles are not
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really my thing. Golfing, you know, this is my
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golf game. Yeah, I mean, it is, you know,
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it is. It's just what I love, is what I
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love to do, you know, Mark? I just, I just thought I just
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saw. I told my son-in-law Brody, I
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said Brody, I said for the last six months, my life has been
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changing a little bit. You know, you know, I've got to
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torn tendons in my shoulder. I've got a little spot in my
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eye. Now, I've got cortisone shots in
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both my knees. He's, I've got a fractured ball
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in my foot. I've got to find something that
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will occupy my time because I'm like, you Mark, if I don't go up
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to that shop and Tinker with my race car to see, you know, this
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all my work is in that shop going to the racetrack second,
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right? So Mark, I understand what
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you're saying, you have your motor home and I have my Race
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shop so like like you, you know, I'm trying to wean myself a
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little bit off this race car because my body starting to fall
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apart your because I work on the car, Yeah, I know about the body
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falling apart. How am I gonna do?
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Yeah, I got quarters own shots in both knees.
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Just recently. What are the me Brothers?
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Yeah, buddy, you'd never know. That Kenny Wallace was dealing
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with pain, you know, you would never know that.
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Yeah, we the same with me, you'd never know it but, you know,
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from social media or whatever, but you know, chronic pain dude.
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Chronic you know. I got mine, he's jacked up, I
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had a horse. I had a total reverse shoulder
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replacement last summer and it's doing well and and I'm having a
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rotator cuff repair and in June of this year.
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So I'm going to be out of commission.
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Again for those those shoulder repairs.
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Those those shoulder surgeries are are probably the most major
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ones that You can do and, you know, I have reoccurring back
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issues, you know, my back will be strong as an ox solid as a
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rock and then out of nowhere, a little Fair up and give me hell
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for long periods of time. So yeah, that's part of getting
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old and part of going hard and we have both done that.
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Yeah. Well more, you're still the man
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you're a legend. I know you're hard core meaning
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that You know, you're all about business.
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Let's change it up a little bit. So, you know, like I said,
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you've done it all Mark and NASCAR, you're a winner, you're
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a Hall of Famer but I believe You know, besides you and I
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being Forever Friends. You know, the reason I say that
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is because when I was 12 I was watching you race.
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You know, my brother Rusty at Lake Ozark, Empire Fair grounds
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and Springfield Fort Smith Arkansas.
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That's that's just a little bit of the background so I was able
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to watch Mark Martin grow up and what I think is stuck beside you
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being great. And Mark, by the way,
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congratulations on. Once again, that's an easy
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decision. Even one of the greatest race
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car drivers in NASCAR history is really nice gift, they give you.
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Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.
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Yeah, you're the man. My question is this, I believe
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you're your greatest accomplishment, is the greatest
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race car drivers to ever live. Mark.
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Martin Rusty Wallace Dale Earnhardt, senior?
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They respect you like like, retha Franklin, Capital re
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spectre-2, you got to know that everybody looks at you with
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just, they're just like, oh my God, Mark Martin, when, when did
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you know that that was happening?
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Is there a span of five years? Was it 1999, tell me about this
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respect that you definitely deserve.
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I think it all starts back from, you know, 19 probably 77, when
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Rusty and I were racing and And learning how to race with Dick
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Trickle and Bob sin occur and Tom reffner.
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And, you know, some of the legendary short track racers
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learning the code adhering to the code racing with them.
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And working in respect is just not something that you can, you
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can't, you can't buy it and you can't force it.
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It. You can't make anybody do that.
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You don't get it. Do you win?
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You get it cuz you do it. Proper?
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Is that right? All right.
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I think that respect comes through time and you earn it.
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I agree. And and and it does it takes a
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long time, you know, to build that.
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And that the respect that I have been given by the competitors
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has been, you know, the crown jewel of my Career and it, it
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took a long time to build that to where it is today.
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So, so glad to hear you say that, you know, that some people
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like to go, no, no. But, you know, Mark you and I
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know that in the day 1970s through the 80s, the great state
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of Wisconsin was the epicenter of asphalt short track racing
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in. They would they would paint,
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they would paint a white line around the Middle of the
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racetrack. And if somebody was on your
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outside and you moved up into that outer Lane, they were Black
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Flag. You you you and I know that, you
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know, the great Dale senior also said give me a line.
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Give me a line and Mark II know that you always gave another
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racer Elaine to race. You Well, that was part of the
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culture. You know, we're just very
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sportsmanlike, you know, we believed in May the best man
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win, we competed fiercely. Yes, but there wasn't any
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underhanded, you know, Shenanigans pulled?
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It was, you know, may the best man win today, and if I got
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beat, I went straight to the shop and I learned at an early
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age, when I was racing, Against Wayne Brooks and then later
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Larry, Carson, and then later Larry Phillips, and then later
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Dick Trickle. And then later Dale Earnhardt.
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Wow, that I could win. I could beat them if I made my
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car, good enough. And if I didn't, I wouldn't, I
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never considered out driving those guys.
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I just tried to beat them and I had to beat them with a better
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car and that's where I kept. My focus author of The all
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through my career was on the vehicle.
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Mark, I love that conversation because, you know, I grew up
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with you and Rusty and Mark Martin.
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And that's one thing that Rusty my brother pounded into my head
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was quit. Putting So much pressure on your
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ability as a driver. You know, when we were kids we
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went to the local go-kart track and we'd watch those go-kart go
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around and we always wanted the fastest Go-Kart.
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We didn't say put me on the slowest one so it was you and
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Rusty and Larry fellows that said, you know, make your car
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faster. So, I guess the question is, do
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you feel like some of these kids nowadays?
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Not, not that there's anything wrong with anybody.
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Do you think maybe people? Us focus on the speed of the
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car? Well, I mean, it's just a
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different age in a different era and these kids come up, you
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know, we didn't have any video games to play or or iRacing or
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anything like that, simulation of any sort.
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So these guys cook, you know, from really little kids, start
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racing cars even though it's Simulated and they evolve right
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into the driver's seat of a race car and it's just that's
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different and it's not all bad. I might have been a better
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driver if I would have put a little bit of emphasis in phasis
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on myself, but I never thought about it, you know, I mean, I
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just did what I did and I drove like, I drove and I tried to
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learn and improve. But if I you know who knows if I
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would have, studied the craft even harder than then I did, you
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know, in a similar way that I did the car side of it in the
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hardware side of it, who knows? It could even possibly been
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better. But today, you know, most
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drivers don't know anything about their cars and that's
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okay. I mean there's engineers and
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there's a team of people behind them to make them I know when
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you and I got started racing, it was us, it was us, it was up to
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us, there was nobody there was nobody around us that was more
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knowledgeable about those cars than we were always said you
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needed, was somebody to tell Mark Martin went to Pitt.
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He said his own race car up. Well, we all I mean you to you
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work on race cars. Way before you ever started
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racing. Kenny.
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And, you know, that's just that you know, that that's just the
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part of it. We studied the cars and we knew
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that if we made our cars, been head, man, I paid attention.
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I got, you know, you'd have a guy who ran in the back all the
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time and all of a sudden he's running mid Pat and I bet he's
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over there go around his car, not that he would ever outrun
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me. But he's done something to
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improve his deal. Let me see what that is, you
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know, and those are secrets now that, you know, you can't, it's
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as much different more difficult to look at other people's stuff
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as it was, you know, when we came up hey we're a trustee and
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I would tell each other what we had in our cars, all the way
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through his final year in, you know, in 85.
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I mean 05:18 05 arrestees last year, old 506.
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I forgot to. Yeah, I think it's been a long
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time. Yeah, I think it was 2005.
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So you know all through our careers if we weren't running
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worth a damn we could go see each other and say look man I
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ain't Runnin with the damn. What are you guys doing?
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Teammates? What do you got?
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Yeah, and Rusty would always tell me.
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And, and I would always tell you Ralph, he's driving for Penske
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and you're sharing exact truth information.
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Yeah. You know, and the thing about my
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relationship with Rusty, was so cool because I came to Lake what
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Lake Hill Speedway. Yeah.
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Valley Park Missouri. Yeah.
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And 70s. Yeah.
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I remember think it was, I was going somewhere and I pop in
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there to watch him race and he was so damaged.
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Excited. Oh well where Mark Martin it was
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there it shocked the whole racetrack.
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Well this guy came over and said Rusty how much toe out you run
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he said I run five eight. Ten.
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What I mean, what else? Of course he was lying to the
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guy and but he never lied to me ever.
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So that was, that was a really strong bond because I
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appreciated that that night he was running second together,
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Meyer, and I know. Yeah, he run Pete.
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He spun his ass out to get rid of that.
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Damn, thing, Rusty, spun Lynn out because you were there.
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He wanted this exactly right. He's fumbling out and you're
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like what do you do that for? So Mark, listen to.
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This is the Kenny conversation. It's not an interview we're
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discussing. So you kind of led me in this
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area. There's no doubt in my mind that
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you were in my area. I was born in 1963, you were the
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first driver I ever witnessed in my life to come along at like
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12, 14 years old, you are running, are going a essay at,
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15 years old and winning the biggest races of all time.
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What was it like for you to be increased child and winning
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these, 400 lap races? You remember about that?
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Well, to get accurate dead on accurate.
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You know, I was running art go races in at 8:00 at 18 but I was
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110 pounds and look 10, you did and that was an 18 was a big
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big. Big deal back then back then
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it's old now. But back then it was increase,
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you know? I mean ever people are losing
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their mind because this kid, you know, was was racing with these
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hot. Hot dogs and everyone swallowed
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beating me and we beat we beat Larry several times at
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Springfield the fairgrounds which was a huge deal, prestonby
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Rusty, beat us Larry and I a few times as well.
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Larry got his share as well but you know, that's kind of where
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it started when when when I was able to beat Larry at
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Springfield, that was a big deal in 76.
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I was still running my leg. Late model, and dirt car.
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And I went to Bolivar for a big race and they had a bounty on
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Ken essary and God. Yes, sir.
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And I had to make my way into the race through the sea.
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Then the B, then the A and I didn't know how to run dry slick
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because it was mud tracks in clay back where I came from.
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And we started the back hook. The bottom.
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There's moisture there. Everybody's running the black.
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I just passed some cars passing car.
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When the checkered flag came out.
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I didn't even know I won. Oh my God.
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You were so focused? Yeah, I wonder race.
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And can I think from looking back on it?
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I think Ken run second, but, you know, there were gold, you know,
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there were there were Legends in that race and I was 17 years old
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and didn't have a clue. Good thing you didn't know who
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they were. I hardly I hardly knew ya.
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I had heard of Canada essary, but anyway, that was a huge win
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in my career and then the following year, you know, we
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managed to beat Larry of few times and then we, you know, and
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I believe it's around September. They have a national short,
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track championship at Rockford. Illinois, hmm.
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And we thought, well, let's go. B roll up to the National short
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track Championship will get the race with the greatest in the
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nation and you did and we and we set s fast time trickles.
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Fast time. We were second fastest time in
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all the legend. I look back.
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You know it's 1977 all the Legends were there all the short
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track Legends were there and I had some help in the inverted.
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12 cars and 200 lapper and I had some help in the race.
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Some of the few of the hot dogs had some problems.
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But we won that race and we had no idea.
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And if you want to know what the biggest win of my career, is
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that contends for the biggest win of my career was
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unbelievable. We had no idea.
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We could do something like that. And so, you know, that just, you
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know, that that sort of went along with picking up other
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other wins and you know, winning a sa races, it was seven.
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Eight before one, a sa race. It won the championship to and
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78 at 19 years old. And that might as well been 12,
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you know, back then people you know and all of that stuff just
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continued to springboard me toward NASCAR and you know in
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1980, we won our third, a shm chip in a row and had to
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Credible had the most incredible season you could have.
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I've ever had with a car with a revolutionary car that Ray
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Dylan. And I designed together that
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everybody had to have, I mean your brother had to buy one Dick
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Trickle had about you know I got one in 1986 they the best.
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Yeah, everybody had to have one, it was.
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Um but anyway after that year it was like dude I got a it's time
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to make the spring you know it's time to take the kept so we just
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you know it was like climbing a ladder or climbing a set of
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stairs. It was one rung at a time just
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like the respect it was gained just you know announce had a
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time until it finally added up to you know pound yeah.
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So This conversation and listening to you, you said at
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Rockford, you know, they inverted the field, you had some
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help along the way. I mean, this with love, I'm not
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picking on you. Do you ever think that you're,
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you're too hard on yourself? Yeah, I'm way too hard on myself
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and it's a curse, but it is who I am.
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I have learned to embrace who I am and to minorly tweak who I am
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is possible, but to change who I am.
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Ain't going to work, incoming, it causes problems tried to do
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it, and in the end, it's it cause more problems than just
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embracing who and what you are. So yeah, I'm pretty rough on
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myself. Hi.
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And, you know, known to be kind of humble, and I'll step outside
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of being humble at times. But publicly, it's important for
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people to know That I got my ass kicked and I and it wasn't easy
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for me and I Rose to the top of motor sports at a super early
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age and then I fell flat on my face and lost it all and that
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changed me, you know, to that change me to The Humble side
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which is a good side. I mean I don't know how I would
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have turned out had I not had that humongous failure in 1982
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and 83 so I don't want to beat a dead horse that that story might
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have been told but I don't think it's real popular.
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You're saying that you think throughout your life?
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That was the turning point of when you you you were you're
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doing your deal but you went to NASCAR, it didn't work, you came
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back, then you get the coffin, You Know, Jack Roush and meal.
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But when you went back to NASCAR that's when you said You feel
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like that's when you changed a little bit, being a little more
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hardcore. I changed, I still was pretty
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hardcore. I didn't have to work on my race
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cars anymore. Yeah.
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So I had great smart people. That could work on them, but
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that moment of failure that that two years were you known ask,
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you know, it didn't work for you.
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NASCAR you, I think what I'm hearing is that you said that
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ain't gonna happen again. Yeah.
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Well, I was careful. I wasn't careful.
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The first time I had a little a S18 with a little group of guys
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that change did Fabulous pit stops and everything else and we
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went we went NASCAR racing in 81 and in are In our third race, we
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sit on the pole and finished 11th and in the fourth race.
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We we rinse, we we qualify. We finished third in the fourth
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race or the fifth race. We ran we set on the pole and I
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started one lap down last place one lap down because the car.
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David loving, dog, forgotten left a rag in the carburetor and
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put the Cleaner on it. So it wouldn't star.
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It's a long story short. We were banging Wheels with Dale
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Earnhardt, and Richard Petty, and all those guys, we were
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doing pit stops. We finished third at
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Martinsville. Doing pit stops against jr.
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Johnson, and we own a sa team it, but more and everything.
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So we thought I so I thought I was Hot Stuff.
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Hmm, never thought about that. Well, after after that last
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race, that, that Martin's that At Richmond race.
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We've been home and I was working in my uninsulated pole.
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Barn in North Liberty in Indiana.
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I remember and the phone rings and it's is hello Mark that's
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what l Wilson. Hmm.
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Like to know if you'd be interested in driving the 28 car
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oh my I never knew this. Yeah the 28 car that sat on the
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pole and Daytona and 1982 but I'd have been in that car.
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Of course, Benny Parsons was in it and he got fired after seven
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races. So who's to say I would have
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succeeded, I don't know that I was ready to drive better than
28:52
Benny Parsons. Anyway, you know what I said,
28:57
Obviously, no. Now, what else I'd rather do my
29:01
own, I'd rather do my own deal. Wow.
29:04
And because I would have the fire, David loving, dog, banjo,
29:09
grim, and I had to get rid of prototype engines.
29:13
That was given me free engines, and I just would have had to
29:20
adjust didn't seem like anything besides.
29:22
I thought I could beat them, I don't run third.
29:26
You know, set on Two Poles, out of five races.
29:28
I thought man, I can't take my little program.
29:31
I don't need no sponsor. I win a race in the first five
29:34
six, eight, ten, races, and I'll Be A Millionaire and I'll be
29:39
NASCAR. So I did it even ready.
29:45
I'll move to Charlotte built me. A car went to Daytona.
29:53
Run terrible and blew up and had to fire my crew chief on the
29:57
Sunday morning before the race. So, I'll, you know, I left
30:02
Daytona broke and we never ran as good the whole year.
30:08
I ran the whole year, but I went broke.
30:11
And at the end of the year, I had to have an auction and sell,
30:13
every everything I owned in the shop.
30:16
This is painful to pay off Goodyear and Hutchison pagan.
30:22
And I paid him off and I said I'll never own a race team
30:24
again. Yeah.
30:26
And So I got the call in December, or early January, Mark
30:36
is JD Stacy. You want to drive the 2 car?
30:39
That's the 2 car. That Tim, which Richmond won two
30:42
races in, in 82. And I said, hell yeah, I had no
30:47
idea that the team was going broke and that day linman
30:50
wouldn't be there anymore in, you know, it was underfunded
30:55
instead of being the team that it was the year in 82.
30:58
To. He didn't tell you the details
31:00
and seven races. Well, hell I was so confident in
31:04
myself. He said well I'll get you a
31:06
lawyer. Do up a contract with Sony, no
31:08
contract, You know? I mean, no contract will just do
31:14
this deal. So we ran seven races and I got
31:17
fired. Hmm.
31:19
Said they wanted wanted somebody with more experience.
31:23
And we'd run seventh and third, you know, and, you know, was we
31:28
ran good, but not good enough and so after getting fired.
31:34
Nope. Nobody NASCAR would touch me.
31:37
So this is, that's okay, absolutely retail.
31:41
So I had to had to move back to Wisconsin first guy called Ray
31:45
Dylan because I free cars is what I used to get them back.
31:49
You said, Mark days of free cars are over I had no money.
31:57
I had no tool. I had nothing.
32:00
And so it was hell. Getting us getting a program
32:06
going for 1984, and we managed to win one sa race and some work
32:13
go races. And the next year, I got to go
32:16
drive for Jerry gunderman with Miller High Life is sponsorship
32:20
and Jimmy Finning as Crew Chief and we won you.
32:26
No four races. And but we blew too many Motors
32:31
because it was, we, we had run Neal prototype doing Ford motors
32:36
and he didn't have it perfected yet.
32:39
And so then in 86, we won five races in the championship and at
32:45
the end of the year, I got a call to go Busch Racing for more
32:52
money than I was making an AAS, a winning the championship and
32:56
Jimmy Finney. Had the opportunity to go be
32:59
Bobby. Allison's, crew, chief in
33:01
NASCAR. And Jimmy said, I ain't going,
33:05
if you stay and I said, well, then we're both going because I
33:09
could not bear the thought of Jimmy, finding not taking, you
33:13
know, the NASCAR opportunity. So when Jack Daniels, so we 13
33:20
Busch races and maybe seven after the second win, you know,
33:26
our third wind Jack, you know, No calls.
33:28
And I didn't really have any plans on going NASCAR racing
33:33
again, but You know, the deal seemed, right?
33:38
I went and met with Jack and I didn't ask him what he was going
33:42
to pay. I asked him how many tires he's
33:45
going to buy, who he's going higher?
33:47
What kind of car is going to use?
33:49
And could we test enough? He said we're doing all laugh.
33:55
We stood up and shook hands. And I found out later that what
34:00
I was getting paid and it it wasn't much but it didn't
34:03
matter. I wanted another chance and Jack
34:07
Roush was the only person Willing to give me a chance,
34:12
give me another second chance. And for that reason, and others
34:20
I stayed with him. For 19 years, Mark, let me tell
34:24
you, I read books before and I learned what the word
34:29
cautionary, tale means it means listen to this story caution
34:34
because, you know, Rusty. My big brother taught me this
34:38
saying, and I shared on social media every once in While and it
34:42
goes like this it's sad to say but you have to remind people
34:46
every once in a while because they remember what they want to
34:49
and what you just told me was a cautionary tale that Mark Martin
34:54
just didn't jump into NASCAR and kick their butt you you had a
34:59
rough road. Now when you got back there and
35:01
you got settled, you became a Hall of Fame racer but it is an
35:06
incredible cautionary tale. You know it wasn't a better
35:10
roses. I really appreciate you that
35:12
telling me that story well that all comes back to you know the
35:17
thing. Cautionary tale careful of being
35:21
overconfident. Yeah.
35:24
You know and I had confidence. I had a damn reason to be
35:27
confident. That's why you are the way you
35:29
are. You just told example just told
35:31
you why that explains, you know, the in the modesty you have
35:39
Euphoria, you're just Just, you know, dude, I took a beat-down
35:44
and my story is not what happened.
35:48
After my first NASCAR win. Rice story is what happened
35:53
leading up to that? That is the real story, and
35:56
that's what we're working on someday.
36:00
We will have a really kicked butt book.
36:03
We've been working on it already a year and it may be another,
36:08
you know, maybe another year or two before it's available.
36:11
But it's you know, it's going to detail a lot about what led up
36:17
to my childhood and what shaped me into the person I was and
36:21
then how I got myself into a situation of being overconfident
36:27
and not knowing, you know, I didn't ever go to, I'd never
36:31
been in the pits of a NASCAR race when I showed up for my
36:34
first cup race. I never even been anything, but
36:38
in the grandstands. So I didn't know what I was
36:40
getting into. so, I read You know, I just I'm not I mean I am
36:46
a I am a horse with blinders on when I need to be but I do have
36:50
peripheral vision as you're going through this book that
36:54
will come out. Whenever it comes out that
36:56
you're talking about right now is this book therapeutic for
37:01
you? Or is there a lot of pain going
37:05
through writing this book. I've been able to suppress the
37:09
pain so I you know, I'm at Total Comfort.
37:14
With all the hardship that I went through, I'm grateful for
37:18
the failure because that's that made me the person I am today
37:23
and I don't like to think about what I might be like.
37:27
Had I gone to the Daytona 500 1982 in the, in the in the 28
37:33
car. Yeah, right.
37:34
And won the Daytona 500. I shudder to think the man that
37:39
I would be today. I just, I'm grateful.
37:45
For my experiences, we had a lot of disappointment in NASCAR,
37:51
especially in the 6 car and the Roush days and I'm not bitter
37:57
about that. I'm just damn thankful that I
38:01
got to work a lot, buddy. Yeah, came out alive.
38:05
You know just cheese. Think about think about all the
38:10
great people in Motorsports. I got to work with and all the
38:14
great. Things in all the checkered
38:17
flags and all the good days, you know, a lot of people want them,
38:21
you know? Talk about, you know, talk crap
38:24
about that. I didn't win a championship.
38:26
Oh, that's right. Yeah, those are the to be Mark.
38:29
They're meant to be, or they call me mister second place.
38:34
Well, I accidentally stumbled into 96 NASCAR wins and, you
38:41
know, in the top three Series. So I'm a beating Mr. Second
38:46
place, understand that but I accidentally screwed up and 196
38:52
of them. And you know, when you think
38:54
about and that's getting away from being modest but it's
38:57
truth, you know, here in this cuz I think everybody's like
39:01
this I got a text the other day that said that in a hunt, I
39:10
believe it was 101 races or something like that.
39:16
There was either first or second.
39:18
Yeah. Okay.
39:19
So he'll i-140. So only rent, you know, like 61
39:23
times I run s. So uh, yeah.
39:26
Ran second morning room first. I, I'm sorry.
39:30
I apologize if that hurts your feelings but I'm pretty damn
39:33
happy about it. You know, makes it means.
39:36
I ran good. Those people that talk like
39:39
that, they're not happy with themselves, so they want to lash
39:43
out, you know, and What I would say to those people.
39:46
First of all is go f yourself. Charlie won't let me cuss on
39:53
these shows, but I say it just hardcore.
39:55
Look, go and what's your endgame here bud?
39:58
You doing this to make your self feel better but let's lighten it
40:01
up a little bit. Mark your first row.
40:03
You're the man. You are your listen, that Hall
40:07
of Fame is no joke, that's one tough ass group and if you're in
40:11
the Hall of Fame, you somebody, so you're somebody, let's
40:14
lighten it up a little little bit because I do want to talk a
40:16
little bit of NASCAR. This one's might catch you off
40:20
guard a little bit. But let's let's talk about your
40:22
son. Matt, I love him.
40:24
He is such a well structured man.
40:27
And it is totally shocked me that he collects fictional books
40:34
sells them, tell me about Matt. I wish he was right next to you
40:37
right now. Well, his his passion is Sort of
40:47
rare books that sort of what his passion is.
40:50
So he you know, that that's what he would love to be in business
40:56
doing. So he's set up a rose rare
41:00
books. I see him and he has a lot of
41:03
first edition first printing books that and you know it's you
41:08
know he's got a couple from 1860 something so he's got lots of
41:14
books. It's that are over 100 years old
41:16
that are in pristine condition and so that's kind of his
41:20
passion but what he's done you know lately has been to start
41:29
Mark Martin Archive of it all started with the book so he
41:35
thought its Rampage will help promote this book.
41:39
So we started that. Well it just blew up and went
41:41
crazy and he's such a perfectionist in things.
41:45
I have been G shirts and I wear them and that he has sir, you
41:49
look good in hotel. So, anyway, long story short,
41:54
Mark, Martin, archive on Instagram, kind of started that
42:00
and then, you know, people start going on merchandise.
42:05
So, and, you know this, but you're the most of the
42:09
listeners, don't know this. So we open a store Mark, Martin
42:14
archive.com. Mom.
42:17
And nobody has any idea how hard it is to get the approvals to do
42:24
any diecast for example, you know, the first first thing
42:30
would come out of the gate, want to do, want to do the Folgers
42:34
car, nobody on the face of the Earth, knows how to get a hold
42:37
of the Folgers legal team that would approve it.
42:43
But, you know, through a chain of events and about sticks.
42:46
Six months of working on it. We made that happen.
42:50
Got the same thing from Stroh though, you'll never get any you
42:53
know, you'll never get approval from Stroh's will.
42:55
Matt actually was able to reach out through their social media.
43:02
Got into the right contact. So we long story short, my first
43:07
win diecast from 1989 Rockingham.
43:11
Yeah is in, this is great story, it is up for pre-order, it's
43:17
going to come out. Probably in June there's not
43:20
many left. There's only going to be 700
43:23
made in real it's real. It's the it's the real deal.
43:30
It has As at the end of that race, it had silver Wheels on
43:35
the left and black wheels on the right and guess who the silver
43:40
Wheels came from? Rusty Wallace.
43:44
Was it the Gatorade car? What, what weirdo?
43:48
I think he was in the Kodiak car, okay, and in 89, he was in
43:53
that could but he runs several wheels and we must have my guys
43:57
must have traded tires to get the Stagger where we want it.
44:00
We did that back then. Any Gap, you know, you would say
44:04
that. So anyway, long story short, he
44:06
did that, got that got the Folgers win from North
44:09
Wilkesboro that cars up for pre-order, got the Taliban
44:14
Dakar, where we were in 500 miles and the in averaged 180,
44:20
eight point three, four, five hundred miles.
44:23
It was caution-free, 500 miles an hour in 1997.
44:27
Talladega, that record will never be broken 180. 8.34.
44:34
So that's up for pre-order. We got that approval and gosh,
44:39
there's another super cool Zone that this is your son, doing all
44:43
this. Yeah, he's doing it all.
44:44
I mean, I've helped him some, I helped get the folders.
44:50
Thing. But beyond that and I got got
44:54
him the right babbling contacts, but and he's working with Lionel
44:59
for that. But he's also doing incredible
45:01
retro t-shirts, that just blowing everybody way.
45:04
So that's Matt his his real passion is rare books.
45:10
But his passion right now is been learning about my career,
45:13
he knows more about Reggie's career than I do and he knows
45:18
more about my career than I do. Except for predating, you know,
45:25
my sake stuff. I know everything in every time,
45:30
every time there's a hair out of place on that deal, I know.
45:34
But I lost track in NASCAR because I didn't build those
45:39
cars. My hands weren't all over them
45:42
and it, you know, so so I don't know.
45:45
But I can tell you what Springs and the entire setup from
45:49
Rockford. When and Rockford Third,
45:51
National short track Championship will tell you what
45:53
was tell you, what was under the car and tell you what was under
45:57
the car to waso Michigan earlier that year or New Smyrna.
46:03
And our first race that year, I know what Springs and sway, bar,
46:06
and weight distribution, everything.
46:09
And that means you're sharp. That your, our bodies might be
46:13
getting a little old, but you're sharp.
46:15
And I must say that. Matt, Matt does share some
46:18
pictures with me, you know, we got each other.
46:20
Number and he'll send me a picture and the one my phone's
46:24
right here, but I don't want to take the time to look at it.
46:27
The most famous one that I like lately is you and Rusty at
46:32
Springfield with Rusty's bread truck and I think Rusty stand up
46:38
and you're kind of laying down a little bit but those pictures
46:42
are magical. And I do want to comment on
46:44
something else that you said you're building 700 of these
46:48
numbers sixth Rose cars. Is that right?
46:52
That's all are going to be made. That's what I want to make a
46:55
point about you're the real deal.
46:57
We're not making more just 708 up.
47:00
Yeah it ain't about its immediate collector's item.
47:03
Yeah they're going to immediately be worth 200 bucks
47:07
the first day one and only going to go up from there, that's
47:11
Matt's deal. It ain't about, it's about
47:13
collector's item. So all these die casts are going
47:16
to be limited only to Like I know the Talladega car, you
47:24
know, there's like 400 signed and 300 unsigned Mark.
47:30
Martin archive exclusively.com is selling them and last I
47:35
checked there was like 12 autographed ones, left the rest
47:39
are already sold out, say there's only a badass, there's
47:42
only about a hundred, you know, 100 of the unsigned left and
47:48
they're going to, they're going to they're not even To start
47:50
delivering until June. Yeah, I love it.
47:54
Well Mark, let's change the subject a little bit.
47:56
We're coming down to the end here.
47:58
I want to talk NASCAR just a little bit and then I want to
48:01
ask you one final question. Mark, you know your voice
48:05
matters? You people listen to you.
48:08
So I've got to ask you about, NASCAR, this new next-gen car.
48:17
What is your thoughts on just that car?
48:21
Coming in and ask our first thought that comes to mind.
48:25
It is not a popular fan, you know, opinion.
48:31
But I've seen the best racing in NASCAR history.
48:36
Since that Cars come out, I agree.
48:38
Best racing on track in history, the best and histories, so stop
48:44
complaining about it, right? Um, the other side of it is I
48:48
don't like it would hate. It would hate to be driving.
48:52
Now the guys hate working on them and they ain't saved no
48:56
money yet. So I'm not a lover of the car.
49:01
It looks like a sports car underneath, you know, it doesn't
49:05
look like a NASCAR car. I've already told you.
49:09
I don't like sour grapes. I don't like old people saying
49:12
how great it was when they were growing up and how junk it is
49:16
now because I was a young guy and I had to listen to that when
49:20
I was coming up and I'm not going to do that.
49:23
It is what it is. The concept was solid.
49:27
The concept of the car was solid.
49:32
In the damn competition is. Unbelievable.
49:35
So it is here, it's here to stay.
49:39
Let's improve on it and go forward.
49:43
The only other thing I want to say about NASCAR is you said my
49:47
voice matters. I say it does.
49:49
You got more questions about that car?
49:51
It matters to fans. It doesn't matter to the
49:55
important people. It doesn't matter that much to
49:58
NASCAR. I've never had Add NASCAR's
50:01
here. Like they'll senior had, you
50:04
know, and I've never been a political guy, but, you know, it
50:12
is what it is. That car is what it is.
50:15
And we should just make the most of it going forward.
50:19
So the other facet of this car is the crazy hard core Tech
50:25
inspection that comes along with the penalties.
50:28
So you and I right now, Now, we're breaking this car down and
50:32
segments. I agree with you.
50:34
Cars. Been incredible.
50:35
I love the racing. Give me your opinion of the tech
50:39
inspection and then the penalties that come out, you
50:43
know, we race on Sunday, we get these, you know, the on
50:46
Wednesday and Thursday. Give me your opinion on Tech
50:49
inspection and penalties. I don't I don't like it.
50:56
You know, I just reflect on Denny, Hamlin, getting the race
50:59
taken away. Over a piece of helicopter, take
51:02
understand. I get understand that Nascar has
51:07
to have tight tolerances. Understand where we are today.
51:16
Don't make me like it. I think that You know, these
51:24
penalties have to be done. I don't like seeing appeals
51:31
being overturned or lightened up.
51:36
They didn't they didn't on mine my most critical one, you know,
51:41
they should have. They should have rules Richmond.
51:45
Yeah. Well, you know what?
51:46
But but they did back in the day when they made a decision that
51:51
was a decision. Now it's more complicated.
51:55
What happened back in the day even in 19?
52:00
In the mid-90s, you go to the racetrack, get beat, you come,
52:03
cut the body off, you could push the tail to the right hand,
52:06
pushing those to the left and the inch.
52:09
You can't do that 70. Thousands of get you thrown out
52:14
of here. Your fingernail your family.
52:17
Yeah and that's the biggest tower, you know?
52:21
There's a reason for that. So because we, we kept pushing
52:26
and kept pushing and, you know, better.
52:29
Now you you're, you know, more than I do.
52:32
But I'll give you a good analogy.
52:36
Dirt late models are the last best racing, we have because
52:43
they have some rules but they don't have so dang many that you
52:48
can't breathe and it's really cool and your modified stuff.
52:52
Maybe I'm not as I have my finger on the pulse of the
52:55
Davenport's car and team and program.
52:58
So I kind of know I still and make but if you want able to
53:03
enjoy dirt, late model it. It's Purity into the core and
53:08
not just on track experience or product, you know, asphalt late
53:15
models. It's over.
53:17
It's just like, NASCAR. I mean it's, you can't do
53:20
nothing and it happens all the time, these guys, you know, get
53:25
wins taken away, the snowball Derby and this deal and that
53:28
deal. It's the day we live in.
53:32
There's so many smart people pushing so many buttons that you
53:37
you had regulate. This first, you had a long
53:40
template, everybody cheated all over the car everywhere else.
53:43
So then you put cross templates on it, then you just cheated and
53:46
everywhere else, then you put the cloth on it.
53:50
Then you just cheat it in between the claw.
53:52
You're taking us along the steps of all the insects.
53:55
Yeah. And then you get the Eagle Eye
53:57
skin thing you do and it's like that's how it is.
54:01
It's how we do. We we forced it to be that way
54:05
because there wasn't two or three, smart people around.
54:07
There were hundreds doing it everywhere and you just
54:13
shouldn't complain about all this Tech inspection stuff.
54:19
It has To be tight in, it has to be enforced.
54:23
So, I just want to, I got to go back because you brought it up.
54:28
I'm going to say it and then I'll probably it might be said
54:31
wrong but I want you to fix what I say.
54:35
In my opinion, you were going to win the Nascar Cup Championship.
54:40
But you were that motor in that race car had 21 Inch spacers, if
54:50
it would have been welded together and then just the Solid
54:52
2 inch spacer, they would not have penalize you but that
54:57
moment in time you were found to be illegal and it cost you the
55:02
Nascar championship because they They took so many points away.
55:06
You went to Atlanta, the motor burst in a ball of flames, which
55:09
was a Yates motor now. Okay?
55:13
Fix after that, was the year before.
55:16
Okay, well, tell me it's okay, you're right, let's go to that
55:18
panel. And that's what I want to talk
55:19
about. All right.
55:20
So, we there NASCAR's been allowing you to weld to the top
55:28
of the intake manifold because people were fussing about some
55:33
manufacturer had Short manifold and the carburetor spacer was
55:37
only allowed to be inch and a half.
55:40
I think it was at the time I think and so somebody's car
55:45
intake was too short so they decided to let you weld on top
55:51
of the intake manifold so you could weld 12 inches on the
55:54
frickin manifold if you wanted. But on the letter of the law of
55:59
a spacer said, it had to be a Max of inch and a half.
56:04
So everybody in with us and everybody else were welding up
56:08
the intake manifold to put them where they where they you know
56:11
we're right up against the hood. Basically you want your air
56:15
cleaner up against the hood basically is what it was?
56:19
Well we got ready to go to Richmond.
56:22
Robin put the air cleaner on it, close the hood and it's like,
56:26
damn, you know, it's saying needs to be moved up a half inch
56:32
so he takes it apart and got time.
56:34
He's we're running late. So he puts a 2 inch spacer on
56:37
it, don't matter, you know, they're not enforcing this rule
56:41
anymore, you can be as tall as you want.
56:44
We passed Tech. Four times three times what are
56:49
pre, you know, pre Tech qualifying tag after tag,
56:54
pre-race after the race, I'm not throwing, I'm not throwing
56:59
Richard Childress under the bus, but he was walking with a NASCAR
57:04
official points to our thing and says, there it is.
57:10
Yeah, they are fresh Junior. Used to always go to the races
57:15
but he Can go to this one, he wasn't there so they call him up
57:19
on the phone and he probably isn't as aware as the NASCAR
57:25
officials that they've been letting them well to the intake
57:29
manifold. Once virtual reality of where,
57:31
he got to long story short, he says, put them at the back of
57:35
the final 46,000 and put them at the back of the one lap, one
57:40
lap, down that cost us 46 points.
57:44
So we come out of the gate. We're real strong, we run third
57:47
in the points the year before our second year together with
57:50
Roush, and that's where I blew up at Atlanta.
57:53
I was actually taking the points from the blew up in Atlanta and
57:56
89 or second year. So anyway, we take the point
58:00
lead in May so you can whine about the penalty if you want,
58:06
but we led the points from May all the way to the next last
58:10
race at Phoenix. We go to Phoenix.
58:14
Dale Earnhardt sits on the pole leads most laps and wins the
58:19
race and we run 10th and never lie.
58:24
Laughs got you. So you can also say we that's
58:28
where we lost the right? The championship because we went
58:31
from leading the points to behind going into Atlanta,
58:38
right? And so we go to Atlanta to East
58:44
Earnhardt shows up to test two. We take three cars, we beat our
58:49
brains out, all hands on deck, all hands on deck and the 28 car
58:57
was setting up there. Earnhardt shows up he runs about
59:01
an hour and a half. He's quicker than everybody.
59:05
He puts it on the trailer and leaves goes hunting.
59:09
Yeah. And we make asked me if I Owner
59:13
Drive the 28 car. So go up there and put the rags
59:16
in the seat and I go out there and the first time by, I'm like
59:21
a quarter of a second faster than my fastest lap and you
59:25
know, I'm worried my three cars. and so, It's this all this is
59:35
going to be detailed in the book so I'm not going to go into.
59:37
Okay, yeah that's good tail but at the end of the day we borrow
59:40
that car and Yates motor for the race and you can say that's why
59:46
we lost it Championship to a lot of people do.
59:50
But we ran first of all, Matt pointed out to me recently that
59:56
we ran out of gas twice in the race and had a nisshin box go
1:00:02
out. So, in black and white, we ran
1:00:05
sixth in Earnhardt, rain third, and we lost by 26 points.
1:00:12
So, what that means is really the only way I could have won
1:00:16
the championship was win the race.
1:00:20
Yeah. What makes you think that I
1:00:24
would have won the race with one of my car's, right?
1:00:27
Yeah. Which was a quarter second
1:00:29
roller which would have drove a little bit better than than
1:00:33
babies old bloke snout, but it would have had 60, less
1:00:43
horsepower. Mmm.
1:00:45
Yeah, Yeah. Ralph Ralph never had
1:00:47
horsepower. You made those Motors.
1:00:49
Look good. So True or false.
1:00:56
I'm not going to say, but I always roll the corner.
1:01:04
Always wrote a essay and everything.
1:01:06
So, long story short, there were whatever multiple you know, the,
1:01:12
you know, there were, we lost the championship in two
1:01:15
different ways, but I don't think there was any chance that
1:01:19
we would have went there and won the race with her own car.
1:01:21
It we had only one 13 races, the whole season.
1:01:24
Why would you expect to be able to pull Atlanta off?
1:01:28
Yeah, so we got here because we're talking about the next-gen
1:01:32
car, we're talking about tech, inspection and penalties.
1:01:36
So we've wrapped that up. I want to one last thing.
1:01:41
A couple questions more beating and banging.
1:01:45
So I talked to talk to, you know, went to Bristol and they
1:01:49
just knocking the hell out of each other because the cars,
1:01:52
German tank and they can get away with it.
1:01:55
The front of the car so strong that they're just as you see it.
1:01:59
Me and you watch the races and I talked to these guys till I
1:02:03
asked, awesome Dylan. I said also, I said why the hell
1:02:06
are y'all just not going to hell out of each other?
1:02:08
He says, Kenny, we used to have to guard against it because we
1:02:11
knocked a radiator out. He says these cars are so
1:02:15
strong, it's the only way we pay him back.
1:02:17
What is your opinion on just the totality of not?
1:02:22
Knocking the hell out of each other.
1:02:23
Nowadays, it's a different day and age Kenny and you know,
1:02:28
embrace it. I like the contact, I don't like
1:02:32
seeing dirty. I like seeing racing side by
1:02:35
side race, your guts out, door moment, you rub some, I'm all
1:02:41
good with that. I don't like seeing, you know,
1:02:44
I'm not a big fan of bump and run but the stuff spun to watch
1:02:49
racing on product on the racetrack as is fun.
1:02:52
Fun. It's a different day and age.
1:02:55
Everybody's cars are closer together and speed harder to
1:02:59
pass. We used to be able to occur.
1:03:02
So dang light. You couldn't touch somebody or
1:03:04
admit some up so let you know it's a different day and age.
1:03:08
I embrace it it's it is what it is.
1:03:11
I like it. So we've had a lot of hardship
1:03:16
in this interview but very therapeutic.
1:03:20
What is? Let's wrap NASCAR up right now.
1:03:24
What is good about NASCAR? The competition on the
1:03:29
racetrack. They It's the Crown Jewel, stock
1:03:38
car racing. It still is has been, you know,
1:03:43
since the 60s 50s or 60s, and it's an opportunity for a lot of
1:03:51
people to realize their dreams, which is work on, on, you know,
1:03:56
Big Time, race, race cars and race teams, I asked, chip
1:04:02
ganassi one time. When I was a working for that
1:04:04
NASCAR raceday show Had chip ganassi on.
1:04:08
I said chip you want all these Indianapolis 500 you're the
1:04:11
greatest Indie card owner you know second to Roger Penske why
1:04:17
do you want to be NASCAR chip ganassi kind of gave me the same
1:04:21
answer you did he said because NASCAR is where the shows
1:04:24
happen. Yeah so yeah right he's right
1:04:30
Mark what's in the like this buddy?
1:04:33
When you look back on your career, It could be at any time
1:04:37
but during your racing career what was the most happy you ever
1:04:43
were in your racing career? What time 2007 when I went and
1:04:49
drove the 01 car for a limited schedule.
1:04:52
Build a is. Yeah, that was again.
1:04:58
And the Army car 01, our Makar 07 then 09 was real.
1:05:04
Happy to with Rick Hendrick in the 5 car.
1:05:08
We sit on about seven polls and won five races in 2009 and it
1:05:13
was just it was a blast, a lot of blast Mark, you were
1:05:18
wonderful. I love you, I appreciate you.
1:05:22
This was a great time. We as, you know, we keep going
1:05:25
on and on but that was very therapeutic.
1:05:27
You work for me. You taught me a lot and this and
1:05:30
we're going to wrap it up. We want to let everybody know
1:05:32
that we are in podcast for now. So what a great interview.
1:05:36
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