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The Vikings Fired Kwesi, The Pro Bowl Sucks, and Paternity Leave is an Issue | TSH Ep. 125 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of
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  Speaker 1: the Skull Hop.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan, I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: We're just a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like
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  Speaker 1: drinking beer and talking about the Viking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And we have some major news from
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings. Their general manager and Quasiadafa Mensa was fired.
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  Speaker 1: You guys probably already knew that, but it's worth talking about,
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  Speaker 1: and we spent most of our time talking about that today.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, we dissected multiple angles of the quasy firing. But
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  Speaker 2: we also kind of deep dived a little bit into
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  Speaker 2: some of our roses and thorns from the Quasiadapa Mensa tenure.
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  Speaker 2: So Vikings ga.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did all of that while enjoying a
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  Speaker 1: really good beer lake Time Brewery Red Zeppelin. I would
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  Speaker 1: highly recommend this beer. It was a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely go check this one out. Lake Time did a
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  Speaker 2: really great job. But until then, go ahead and check
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  Speaker 1: but it's covering up our beer mugs right now, and
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  Speaker 1: we need some beer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited for some beer, Evan. I was telling
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  Speaker 2: you about my day and it seems like I could
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  Speaker 2: use a beer. What do we have today?
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  Speaker 1: So we've had lake Time Brewery before. They're based out
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  Speaker 1: of clear Lake, Iowa. I believe I'm gonna double check that. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: clear Lake, Iowa. And I've seen this one on the
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  Speaker 1: shelves a few times. I've passed by it a few times,
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  Speaker 1: and last time I was at the store, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to pass by it any longer. I'm
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  Speaker 1: picking this one up. It's the Red Zeppelin and it's
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  Speaker 1: got a really cool Red Zeppelin with kind of that
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  Speaker 1: like classic Zeppelin era look to it. It's an American
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  Speaker 1: red Ale four point.
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  Speaker 2: That what those things are called, the big big balloons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Zeppelin Zeppelin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never knew that.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't know, no, And.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously it's it's playing off the band. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that the big like the what is
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  Speaker 2: it the Big Year or the Good Year blimp? It's
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  Speaker 2: a zeppelin.
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  Speaker 1: Well I think we call them blimps now, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like back in the day they were called zeppelins.
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  Speaker 2: You'll learn something new every time you listen to the school.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly not a historian. When it comes to that.
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  Speaker 2: Button, I mean, I believe you. I just didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the like blimp looking thing with the little
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  Speaker 1: cockpit on the bottom and the propellers and stuff, that's
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  Speaker 1: a zeppelin.
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  Speaker 2: I'm uncomfortable with the way you emphasize that word a
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  Speaker 2: few words ago, and and then every once in a
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  Speaker 2: while you'll slip something in. It's like, did you mean
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  Speaker 2: to say it that way?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep it on your toes.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I don't know if you know what you're
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  Speaker 2: saying here.
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  Speaker 1: This beer does have a description, and we do like
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  Speaker 1: to read beer description, so I'm gonna read it quick
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  Speaker 1: while you pour it. It says, start your journey on
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  Speaker 1: the stairway to beer heaven. As American hops boost the
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  Speaker 1: flavor in this anything but traditional American red ale, coupled
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  Speaker 1: with a solid malt profile. The balance between hop and
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  Speaker 1: bitterness and malt sweetness will have you bursting with a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of red Zeppelin love. That's a reference to
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of Love, which is a led Zeppelin.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a few referen is in there to songs.
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  Speaker 1: And of I didn't pick up on the other ones, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well if maybe some of our eagle ears I
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  Speaker 2: picked on that. Yeah, just the description there kind of
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  Speaker 2: made it sound like a beer that's perfect for you
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  Speaker 2: and me. A little happy, little ambery. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if this is like now I'm blanking on
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  Speaker 1: the names race arms Race, Yeah, happy amber kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's that.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of has that color to it. It's a
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  Speaker 2: nice ambery color.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The it's got really good head of tension here, and
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  Speaker 2: even the foam has a nice amber tint to it.
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  Speaker 1: It smells like arms Race.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't know if we've mentioned it yet
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  Speaker 2: so far, but this is a four point eight percenter
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  Speaker 2: something with I miss. I can smell that. It's got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of flavor. I'm assuming it's gonna taste with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of flavor, and you usually don't get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of flavor from like such a low content beer,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe that's just all in my head, but I
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  Speaker 2: have been drinking NA beers all month, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's some pretty decently flavored NA beers, so maybe I'm
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  Speaker 2: just making that up. But to no further ado, let's
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  Speaker 2: give this one a try.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a lighter version of an arms race.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm getting a lot more ambery than happy.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. It leans that way for sure. Yeah, but the
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  Speaker 1: hops are there. I can taste them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're there. But it's definitely more of an amber
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  Speaker 2: with a little bit of hops rather than the other
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  Speaker 2: way around, which is perfectly fine.
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  Speaker 1: I would kind of classify this as the like the
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  Speaker 1: like I said, the light version, like the bud light
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  Speaker 1: or the cores light of the arms race, and that
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  Speaker 1: would make sense in my brain because the arms Race,
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  Speaker 1: I think, is like a six something perc six something
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  Speaker 1: and it's definitely happy and you get that smooth maltiness
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  Speaker 1: of the amber, and like you said, this leans more amber,
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  Speaker 1: but you still get the hops, and I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I like it. It's good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Big Grove says that their arms Race is exactly
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  Speaker 2: six percent, so yeah, yeah, s right there. Yeah, Clear Lake, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: lake Time brewery. This is really good. I definitely can
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  Speaker 2: appreciate a good like four something percent beer, especially if
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  Speaker 2: it's something like this. Usually those lower beers, lower content beers,
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  Speaker 2: they're like a lighter flavor. This is a full flavor.
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  Speaker 2: This is definitely one you could sit by a fire,
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  Speaker 2: definitely end the night with, with full flavor, and it's
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  Speaker 2: still got a decent you know, lower content and if
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  Speaker 2: you're looking for that, yeah, this this definitely hits right
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  Speaker 2: in that category. So good job, lake Time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, full bodied, delicious. I'm going to enjoy a few
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  Speaker 1: of these tonight. Well, we've got some fairly big news
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  Speaker 1: that's developed. Not our news, not our news, but news
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  Speaker 1: that we will talk about, which is why I said
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  Speaker 1: it's ours.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sure, Yeah, Well you didn't say ours. I just
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  Speaker 2: you said we have some big news, the biggest thing
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  Speaker 2: that has happened in Vice King's news.
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  Speaker 1: I see what I did there. I think you were
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  Speaker 1: like thinking that I was going to like announce something
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  Speaker 1: big schoolhop related.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, or.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have anything cool. I I wish we did.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe someday, someday, I don't know, but yeah, the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: made a big personnel change. They fired their GM, Quacy
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  Speaker 2: Adolpha Mensa. Quessy Quacy. I've never been confident that I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying his name right. I've never tried to say it
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  Speaker 2: wrong purposely. So, mister Adolpha Mensa, he is no longer
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  Speaker 2: the GM. And it seems like that was the only
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  Speaker 2: personnel move the day that they fired him, was it?
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  Speaker 2: Mark Wilf did a press conference for just shy of
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes, and I think one of the direct questions
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  Speaker 2: that he was asked was do you anticipate any other
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  Speaker 2: any other moves? And he was pretty blunt and it
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  Speaker 2: was like, no, no other moves at this time. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna roll with who they have. So they fired Quasy Adolpha.
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  Speaker 2: It's a They inserted longtime Front office member Rob Brazinski.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly what his title is, but either way,
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  Speaker 2: he's essentially going to be the the interim GM or
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  Speaker 2: the one that holds that role. And I would anticipate
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  Speaker 2: whether or not Rob Brazinski gets the full time GM
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  Speaker 2: gig or not he will revert back to that. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: what he does is manage the cap for the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think Brazinsky's going to go anywhere even
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  Speaker 2: if he doesn't get the GM job. Maybe he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want it. I don't know. That's probably a topic for
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  Speaker 2: another time, but yeah, Kuac is gone. And as far
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  Speaker 2: as a Vikings fan and what that means for the
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  Speaker 2: organization me, Austin, I'm excited about that, although I do recognize, like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a man with a family and you know,
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  Speaker 2: feelings and thoughts and you know, he's a real human,
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  Speaker 2: so that's never super exciting. I know, just a handful
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  Speaker 2: of episodes ag I was like, hey, they need a
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  Speaker 2: fire Quacy, let's do it. But I do recognize he's
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  Speaker 2: a person. So Edan, what are your initial thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: the Quas firing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's do what we usually do. Let's talk roses
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  Speaker 1: and thorns, because I think, like you said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's I think something that was warranted by the organization
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  Speaker 1: And I actually argued the other side of that that
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  Speaker 1: they shouldn't fire him, and I remember saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if they're going to fire him, KOC should go as well.
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  Speaker 1: And that's obviously not what materialized. But let's talk roses
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  Speaker 1: and thorns. I think there were some good things that
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  Speaker 1: came out of Quasey's leadership of this team. And we
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  Speaker 1: can't completely throw the baby out with the bathwater and
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  Speaker 1: just say he was a terrible GM. And we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into some other stuff later, but we can just do
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  Speaker 1: some quick hitting roses and thorns. Here. I'll start a
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  Speaker 1: rose that I can think of for Quasey's timing. Here
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  Speaker 1: is Dallas Turner. And there's a few reasons why. Not
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  Speaker 1: only has Dallas Turner evolved into a pretty good player
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  Speaker 1: after his second season, he really started to heat up
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  Speaker 1: at the end of this last season, his sophomore campaign,
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  Speaker 1: but Quacy orchestrated a trade in that draft to go
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  Speaker 1: up and get him. And there's that famous video of
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Connell.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting him, Dallas or whatever you said, We're getting him, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Kevin O'Connell had that really goofy face, like now
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  Speaker 2: that way, I'm blown away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think that's that's maybe a highlight, real
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  Speaker 1: moment for Quacy as the GM of this team. And
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  Speaker 1: this player is continuing to improve, and I think we'll
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  Speaker 1: see a big Dallas Turner breakthrough uh this coming season.
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  Speaker 1: He really started to turn it on. He had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of sacks there at the end of the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year. He's the unfortunate victim of just having
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  Speaker 1: a lot of talent ahead of him him and so
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  Speaker 1: playing time for him is kind of few and far between.
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  Speaker 1: And he's also the victim of Brian Flores loves veterans,
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  Speaker 1: loves smart guys who know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: And not to say Dallas Turner isn't smart, but I
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  Speaker 2: know what you're saying. But somebody that's more experienced.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna play Andrew Van Ginkel, He's gonna play Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: Garnard a whole lot more in that edge rush position.
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  Speaker 1: Then he's gonna play the young the young kid, right, So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you definitely hit the nail. I have
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  Speaker 2: another rose, but I think to kind of go off
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  Speaker 2: of your rose too. Dallas Turner is maybe an exclamation
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  Speaker 2: point to that. But there were a few players draft
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  Speaker 2: or free agency, a few of them that were really
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  Speaker 2: big hits when that quasy orchestrated coming in Dallas Turner.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the guys in front of him, Jonathan Garnard
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  Speaker 2: and Andrew Van Ginkel, both of whom were Pro Bowlers
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  Speaker 2: in their first year as Vikings. Last in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they were both brought in by Quacy. He Now,
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  Speaker 2: granted he's Quaycy's not the only one that had any
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  Speaker 2: say in bringing any of these players in, but he
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  Speaker 2: was the one that did it. The whole idea of
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: bringing in Sam Darnold, which definitely worked out there. There
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  Speaker 2: were definitely some some other players, Jordan Addison, will Reikert.
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  Speaker 2: The Vikings kicking position may be completely solved for the
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  Speaker 2: next decade because of a draft pick that Quaycy made.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't all doom and gloom, and the draft was
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  Speaker 2: definitely not great at all, minus maybe the two players
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  Speaker 2: that we just said, three players we just said. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: my rose for Quacy. The thing I most enjoyed about
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  Speaker 2: his era as the Vikings GM is that whether you
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  Speaker 2: have whether you have the same thoughts about Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 2: as I do, which I think you and I kind
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  Speaker 2: of differ. We definitely differed in the moment, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when Kirk Cousins tore the kid and what they should
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  Speaker 2: have done after that, and I think we differ a
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  Speaker 2: little bit now, which is okay. But regardless of what
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  Speaker 2: you think about it, I think Quacy and the front
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  Speaker 2: office did a really good job of navigating out of
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  Speaker 2: that Kirk Cousins era where he had really good players
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  Speaker 2: and Kirk Cousins and Daniel Hunter and there are probably
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  Speaker 2: a few other ones that ate up a lot of
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  Speaker 2: cap space, and they kind of wiggled their way out
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  Speaker 2: and smartly got out of those those contracts and out
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  Speaker 2: from under those you know players era, while still replacing
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  Speaker 2: them with a Grenard and Vin Ginkel and Dallas Turner
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  Speaker 2: and then Sam Darnold and JJ McCarthy. Regardless of what
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  Speaker 2: you think about JJ, but he he navigated out from
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  Speaker 2: that end of Rick Spielman era and those contracts and
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  Speaker 2: into at least a competitive era with new superstars and
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  Speaker 2: the ability to pay for them. We've seen teams like
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  Speaker 2: the Saints who are have been living in cap hell
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  Speaker 2: ever since Drew Brees retired because they just kept paying
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  Speaker 2: people so much money and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: actually pay the people and the dollars actually have to
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: hit the cap, so then you're out of it and
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: you can say, yeah, the Vikings are currently looking at
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  Speaker 2: like a forty six million dollar over the cap situation
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  Speaker 2: right now, but from what I've seen, they should be
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  Speaker 2: able to navigate out of that with only a few
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  Speaker 2: moves and at least get back to zero rather than
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  Speaker 2: negative forty six million. So all in all, I think
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  Speaker 2: even though some of the players didn't hit Daniel Hunter,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't like he left the Vikings and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden started sucking. You know, the Texans are not
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: crying because they have Daniel Hunter right now. But I
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  Speaker 2: think Quasi did a good job of navigating out of
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  Speaker 2: the previous era and helping, to the best of his ability,
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  Speaker 2: set himself, the coaching staff, the team up to be
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  Speaker 2: able to pay great players and add potentially good pieces.
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  Speaker 2: It's just some of those pieces didn't work out for him.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you're kind of under selling your point
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  Speaker 1: a little bit because you kind of you sprinkled in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other names. But I think simply just
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  Speaker 1: getting out of Kirk Cousins contract was important enough to
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  Speaker 1: really applaud Quasi for the work that he did. And
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  Speaker 1: again not because you know, not because I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: see Kirk go. I liked Kirk, and I kind of
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  Speaker 1: wanted him to stay because I was jealous for the
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  Speaker 1: consistency and the just the like he seems to have
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  Speaker 1: a good relationship with Kevin O'Connell, and if he can
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  Speaker 1: bounce back from his achilles injury, why not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he's just a solid guy. But we also know,
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  Speaker 1: and we've said this probably countless times on this show
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  Speaker 1: now in the last one hundred and twenty five episodes,
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  Speaker 1: that Kirk Cousins is a phenomenal businessman and he's got
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  Speaker 1: probably some really good people working for him to help
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  Speaker 1: him orchestrate these deals. I think, quite frankly, I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: we're not Falcons fans, because I think the Falcons look
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  Speaker 1: kind of stupid for bringing Kirk Cousins in at the
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  Speaker 1: price tag that they did.
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  Speaker 2: And then to immediately use a high first round pick
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  Speaker 2: to you know, sit behind Kirk Cousins. Regardless of what
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  Speaker 2: you think about Kirk. They used a pretty huge resource
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  Speaker 2: that they could have used somewhere else on a guy
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  Speaker 2: that was it's either going to be Kirk or this
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  Speaker 2: guy like that that's rough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then you follow that thread, he gets hurt,
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  Speaker 1: Kirk comes in to back him up, plays terribly Ultimately.
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  Speaker 2: Their coach got fired and GM and everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like again, I'm glad we're not Atlanta Falcons.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Fans right now, and I know a few Falcons fans
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: out there, so if you're watching, I'm sorry. Yeah, but
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the Vikings look kind of smart, and I think that's
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: largely due to Quacy, like you said, navigate his way
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: out of that hefty contract. And you know, say what
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: you will about kirk Cousins, you like him, you hate him,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you're indifferent about him, whatever. Obviously you can't really say
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: anything about his character because he's kind of a top
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: notch guy just in terms of who he is. And
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: he's a pretty good football player too, like we we
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: won't argue that, but Quacy deserves some credit for that.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And I liked that you threw in Daniel Hunter. And
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: there's probably a bunch of other players that were missing,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: but those were the two, like big ticket guys that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: would have caused the Vikings a lot to bring back.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: They didn't, and they were able to bring in a
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: whole lot of younger talent in replace of those two guys.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So well, and think about what they, like you just said,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: they were able to do because they didn't allocate so
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: much to two players. Now, peek kirk Cousins. The kirk
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Cousins right before he tore his achilles, was on his
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: way to making the Vikings pay him a lot, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I think that they would have if not for that injury.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I think Daniil Hunter, like I said, he's
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: still proving to be really good. Like he's probably still
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: got at least five more years left in his career,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna be good all of those years and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: maybe even more. But by not committing to those guys,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: they were also able. It's not like Caraycy then didn't
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: he didn't just get out of it and then do
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: nothing else. I mean, you got guys like you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say him for the third time now, Van
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Ginkel and Jonathan Garnard. You got guys like Aaron Jones.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones absolutely who surprised the crap out of me
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: in his first years of Viking. I thought he'd give
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: us like one one hundred yard game and then end
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: with like four hundred yards and kind of like what
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: he did this year because of injury. But I thought
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that's how it would be for him making trades for
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: guys like Jordan Mason, which wasn't. It didn't end up
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: being like a Pro Bowl guy, but still pretty decent quacy.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: He was able to navigate out of hefty situations and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: then turn it around and use that now. Granted, one
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of the moves he did make was signing Marcus Davenport
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I think for like ten million dollars and he got
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: what two or three games out of him.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Marcus who likes to lie on the Davenport and do nothing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the training room Davenport. But Sam Donald is
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: probably thinking quasi a dafamensa a lot because if not
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: for signing with the Vikings, you can't know that he
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: would have gone to a different team and flourished after that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe you would have. Maybe it was always just in
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: there and he just needed a good situation and that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: could have been anywhere. But I mean, the Vikings would
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: not have had a quarterback season from Kirk Cousins probably
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: like they did in twenty twenty four. Was Sam Donald.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So there were definitely some goods, Definitely some bold moves
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and some misses, but some exciting moves for sure.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I want to back up to something you just said
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a second ago. Okay, you said it very much much
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: in passing, But I'm gonna resurrect this thing and we're
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna go off on a little rabbit trail
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: for a second. I love it. You said Pro Bowl
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and you made it seem like being honored with the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: title of a Pro Bowler is something worthwhile. It should be,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and I don't disagree that it should be. However, we
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: are currently living in an era where it is not.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It sucks, and I'm gonna take a page out of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: your book for a second and do this. The Pro
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Bowl is terrible and Roger Goodell needs to do something
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to fix it. Okay, ran Over.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Are you basing that just because it was sure to
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: our Sanders because I agree with you?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, don't get me started on all that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: should door Sanders and Joe Flacco are Pro Bowlers. Joe
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Flacco could have been and should have been a Pro
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Bowler at multiple times in his career and wasn't.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was his first Pro.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Bowl and now he's somehow as the Browns like temporary
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: quarterback a Pro bowler, and Shadeur Sanders, who I think
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: played worse than JJ McCarthy in a game this year,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is a Pro Bowler. Like if we're using the Pro
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Bowl as an all star game as a best of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the best. Then JJ McCarthy should be in before Shador,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and JJ McCarthy shouldn't be in at all because he
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was terrible and we're Vikings fans who were cheering for
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that guy. Yep.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So there's only two stats that Sanders was better in
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: at least as according to what is this fantasypros dot com,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: two passing stats that they list that Shador was better
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: than JJ McCarthy, and he had two less interceptions and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: he was sacked four less times.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Other than that, and some of that doesn't even fall
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: on the quarterback. It falls on your receivers catching balls,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It falls on your line blocking for you effectively, Like
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: some of that's not even the quarterback's fault. And truth
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: be told, the Vikings had a week secondary and banged
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: up offensive line pretty much all season. So you can't
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: sit here and blame JJ McCarthy for a slight discrepancy
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in numbers that show that Shaudur's maybe a little better. No,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: he's not. Shudur was terrible.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody saying Shaudor should have arguably like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: actually made the Pro Bowl. If you're saying that, then
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: maybe you're my coworker. DJ and you just love Shudur,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: But you should also be saying objectively, JJ McCarthy had
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a better season than Shoudour. Now that's not saying much either,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: because yes, it was better and a lot of JJ
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: was a better passer, a better rusher, just better overall
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: stats in general. But that also isn't saying much because
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: JJ's season was terrible, and I'm not saying he deserves
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to be a pro bowler. It's just like, that's how
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: ridiculous should Dour being a pro bowler is.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Let's just do away with the Pro Bowl and let's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: take a few years to brainstorm some new ideas the NFL.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: You guys have a ton of people working in the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: probably in the creative department and in the like you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: like advancement and future whatever department, like you got Roger Goodell.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: You have people out there. Put your people to work
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and figure this out, because the Pro Bowl as it
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: exists right now absolutely sucks. It's terrible, and I'm done
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: watching it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I'm oh, I haven't watched it for years.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: It's stupid.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: When we were kids, and even like teens, maybe even
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: into like early twenties in college, the Probol was always
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: like kind of like a joke kind of, but it
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: was always kind of fun. Yeah, like it every time
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it was in Hawaii, yep, which it was for decades, and.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I think there was always really good. The players liked
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it too, because it was basically like a free trip
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to Hawaii for them and they got to bring their
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: families and they got to keep playing football, and they
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: put pads on, they put helmets on, and they played
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the game. Albeit they watered down the rules a little bit.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But even so it was only just a little bit. Yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it was still good and they were still tackling people, yep,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And okay.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Hit people. Let's be reasonable, let's not like ruin somebody's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: career in this exhibition game. That doesn't mean anything, like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: let's let's figure that out. But let's play football, not
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: flag football, because that's now a new sport, like colleges
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are adding flag football as a sanctioned sport. The NFL
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't play flag football. We play tackle football in the NFL.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: That's that's the game that we all know and love
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and that's what we want to watch. And I don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I don't really even care about the skills competition, Like, okay,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: if it's some like ancillary thing, some like it's fun.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It's fun when it's not the best part about it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But oh, that's the best part about the Pro Bowl
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: right now is watching Justin Jefferson dominate in dodgeball and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: watching him like catch all these crazy balls onto a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: high jump pit that he's like diving into, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: these big foam mats. Like the Pro Bowl sucks the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: way it is.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I agree, it used to be great, though now I
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: think we both agree, and you might have even just
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: said it in a minute ago. I was kind of
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: in my own head that like the idea of these
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: players playing hard. If I'm a player, which I'm not,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: but if I'm a player that has contracts on the line,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars on the line, a career on the line,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not risking my knees for a Pro Bowl game,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: even if it means like I think the winning team
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: earns more than the losing team, Like it's tens of
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars of difference as far as what you're paid,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: even even at that level, Like, I'm not going to
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: risk a multi million, tens of millions of dollars contract
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to win Pro Bowl MVP. I totally
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: understand these players even opting out like yeah, my ankle hurts,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know, Like I'm just I don't fault them for
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that at all. But football is a really tough sport
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: to have an All Star game, especially when there's no
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: stakes in the All Star Game, because like baseball, the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: am I right, the winner of the All Star Game,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: like whichever.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: League wins gets home field advantage.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's so there's something there. I mean, hockey,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: we're in the midst of they're about to start the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Winter Olympics right now, and all these countries are filling
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: out their their hockey teams for the Olympics with NHL
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: players and other pro league players, and that that's a
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: little different because you're playing for your country and you're
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: playing for golden stuff. But even hockey, like that's a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: high injury risk sport. I'm surprised they do. You know that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Hockey stars are different.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: They are, and I'm not saying anything bad about it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of surprised. But so, I definitely understand
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: why players don't want to go all out, but it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: not a fun thing to watch.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little naive and we definitely need to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: get back to the thread of our conversation.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Here's sair, it's Pro Bowl week.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: You said Pro Bowl. It is Pro Bowl week. We
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: might as well talk about it. It's kind of becoming
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: its own segment here. But name name one player. I don't.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I can't off the top of my head name one
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: player who like was great, played amazing, and then went
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and played in the Pro Bowl, got hurt and then
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: their career was destroyed after that. I can't think of one.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: So it's not like it happens all the time. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: think wasn't there. There was definitely like a running back
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, and I think he wasn't even a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: pro bowler. I'm not I'm not gonna be able to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: remember this right.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I think maybe or Gemini.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: But I think this running back was really good as
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: a rookie and he didn't get he wasn't a pro bowler,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: but he was definitely invited to the Pro Bowl like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: games or whatever for like their rookie something they did
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: that week, and he blew out his knee and it
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: altered his career. I don't think think he was done done,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: but I think it you know, he had that one
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: really good rookie year and then he was never the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: same again. Maybe a Jaguars running back. I don't I
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: can't remember, but maybe this is proving your point right now.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been like, oh, every year there's a guy
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that tears his aco in the Pro Bowl. We can't
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: do this anymore, but that's always a possibility. Looks like
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you may have gotten some hit.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: There got two. But neither of these names are names
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that I'm familiar. But that's the thing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't be. So what's what are the two names?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Robert Edwards with the Patriots in ninety nine, running back,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: running back.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I think that one might be what I'm thinking of.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Rookie season in ninety eight, he rushed for eleven hundred
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: yards over eleven hundred yards, participated in a rookie Beach Bowl.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: This isn't even the Pro Bowl.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a part of like the Pro
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Bowl week.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He suffered a horrific knee injury that was so
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: severe he nearly had to so it's like a it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like a Teddy Bridgewater type thing. I think almost doctors
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: tamputate his leg.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they he was lucky that they didn't have to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: amputate his leg.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And then he didn't play in the NFL again for
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: three years and was never the same totally, only one
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: hundred and seven more rushing yards after racking up eleven
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: hundred in his rookie year.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: And so he wasn't guaranteed to be a Hall of Famer.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: He wasn't, you know, a multiple time Pro bowler already
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: into his career. But it definitely ruined his career.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But shoot, I don't think Aaron Jones had a thousand.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Yards this year this year. No, He's like four or something. Yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: but he had a thousand last year.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. True. There was another one, Tyler Eiffert with the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Bengals tight end. Yeah. Came off a dominant twenty fifteen
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: season where he led all NFL tight ends with thirteen touchdowns.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: During the twenty sixteen Pro Bowl, he suffered a significant
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: ankle injury that required surgery. The surgery caused him to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: miss the start of the following season, and then began
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a cycle of back and leg issues that stunted his
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: elite trajectory. He continued to play for several more years,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: but he never returned from his all pro form.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think the mix of injury concerns which
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: has totally made the Pro Bowl football game unwatchable for
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: for probably good reasons, a mix of that and because
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you know, some guys declined to attend, so many guys declined,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: so many quarterbacks in the AFC declined to attend, that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: we got down to two Browns, not yeah, I know
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Joe Flacco finished with the Bengals, but two Brown's quarterbacks,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Flacco and Shadoor Sanders. And I do not like shod
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Door Sanders. But that's that's a topic for another time.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And let's be fair, Joe Flacco probably has a shot
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: at the Hall of Fame, I would say.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a one time Super Bowl.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: He won Super Bowl. Yeah, and he was a darn
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: good quarterback. I mean, there's there's no arguing that. In
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's still playing this late in his career.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: He won Comeback Player of the Year like two seasons ago.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's become kind of this journeyman kind of
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of becoming in vogue almost with these
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: older quarterback is, Like, no, I can play like Philip
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Rivers came out of retirement and played a couple of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: games for the Colts when they were really struggling.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: And dude, let Joe play if he can keep getting contracts,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: good for him.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: But let me wrap all this up by saying this,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Google Gemini gave us two examples, two out of how
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: many thousands of players that have played in those Pro
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Bowl games over the years. Yep, as we know them
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: previously and as we know them now, two players. AI
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: has access to all the archives of NFL history, like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't really the Pro Bowl doesn't go back
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that far. I think the Pro Bowl started in the seventies.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I want to say sixties, but I think it's as
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: old as like at least the merger.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean the first Super Bowl was in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: sixty six, so this year is the sixtieth year of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: All right? Again with the AI apparently, and I don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: really trust AI too much when it comes to these
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: like this kind of Google searching, but apparently the first
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: one was in nineteen fifty one.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I think it's still validates my point, yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to say like two players, right, two players out of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: from nineteen fifty one until twenty twenty six, that is
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: The math is gonna escape me on this one because
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I don't do math very well. But it's like, it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: definitely more than sixty years of this game. Yeah, and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: there's only a handful of players that have been significantly
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: injured to a point where it's significantly altered their career.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Do injuries happen in football? Absolutely? Do career altering injuries happen, Yes,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: but they don't happen all the time. And I think
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that's my point with the Pro Bowl, Like, sure, let's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: play a slightly watered down version of the real game.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Put a red jersey on the quarterback. Let's, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: if they wrap up the running back and he's still
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: churning his legs, let's blow the whistle. We don't need
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to wrestle him to the ground. Let's prevent these edge
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: rushers from putting their full body weight on the quarterback
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: like we do in the normal game. Let's put all
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: these protections in place, and let's make it okay for
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: players to opt out, but let's also make it enticing
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: for players to want to play. And maybe there's I
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know that a financial incentive is
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: going to be enough to get these guys out there.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I also don't know if like dangling the carrot of like, well,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you'll get home field advantage next season, like these guys
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Let's so season the season anymore. Everything
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: is so fluid, and you know, guys might sign a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: new contract after the Pro Bowl with a different team.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So we're living in a different era. I think the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl needs to be revisited, and I think even
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: perhaps stopped, they regroup and they do something new with it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I think that was a valuable tangent.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: That was our mini Pro Bowl podcast within this Vikings podcast.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Ironically in a year where there.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Wasn't even Vikings Pro bowler, not.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Even like an alternate selection.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, we have all the reason to complain
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: about how terrible the problem was because there were several
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: there were so many players that played for the Vikings
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this year that could have been Pro Bowlers.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know about several, but like will record for
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: sure should have been a Pro Bowl. Well, de Paul,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: it's hard for long snappers to really evaluate, so like, yes,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: DePaul has been the guy for a few years. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: when Ryan Right had a pretty good season, look where
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: we are we're not saying, oh, the superstar player. I mean,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Will Record is legitimately a superstar for the Vikings, but
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: he's also a kicker. Like maybe I'm I am, I'm
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: underselling it. I'm sorry for the slander Will Record. I
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: feel like I just said the wrong name there a
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: minute ago. But I don't we could. We could argue
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: on who should have been a Pro bowler. Even the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: best player in the NFL didn't have a great season
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: this year, and justin Jefferson he barely got a thousand yards.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Next year, there's gonna be I'm gonna say it right now,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: at least five Viking Pro Bowlers next season it initially
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: voted in as Pro Bowlers, not just like alternates or anything.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: At least five. I'm just calling it now. Don't ask
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: me who. Maybe we'll have some some more eagle eared
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: listeners that next year. This time, I'm gonna be like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: didn't I say something about the Pro Bowl And they're
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: gonna come and be like you said five.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's gonna be a Pro bowler.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Oh can you imagine though? That'd be so freaking awesome.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: That would be such a turnaround from the current narrative.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Unless it's one of this shud or Sanders.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Unless Yeah, I was just about to say, unless the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl remains the joke that it is, and JJ
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: gets in on. Well, actually, you know Baker Mayfield is
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and he declined, so you can
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: go play. I guess all right.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So we were talking about roses and thorns. Roses for
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the whole Quasiadappha Mensa tenure as the vikings.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: GM, we haven't gotten to thorns yet.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Let's do thorns, Evan, what is your biggest thorn from
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Quasiadolpha Mensa's tenure as vikings GM.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It might be low hanging fruit, but I'm gonna take
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: it anyways. Do it. Lewis Scene was his first draft pick,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let you give some more context to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that because there were some details that you brought up
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: as we were talking about at pre show that I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: forgot about or maybe didn't even know in the first place.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: But his first draft pick didn't really work out. And
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: now I saw a headline the other day Lewis Scene
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: got cut from his UFL.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that he had just been signed to like within
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: two weeks.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: There was a moment where it was like okay, like
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: maybe he'll materialize in the UFL and then maybe he'll
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: come back and maybe Quacy did see something in the kid. No,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: he didn't even make it in the G League.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So Lewis Scene was picked, but thirty second or thirty
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: first or something overall, thirty second overall, the Vikings traded
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: out of the twelfth spot. Pretty sure it was twelve.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: It was definitely earlier than fourteen. They traded out of
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that spot with the Lions. The Lions selected Jamison Williams, who, yeah,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: he still kind of hit or miss. He's definitely a
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: highlight ability player, but he's I'd take Jordan Addison on
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the field over him, but it's a close race either way.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Lions took Jamison Williams, but the Vikings got I think
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: it was thirty two, and I think they also got
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: picked thirty four, so that dropping twenty spots but also
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: gaining you know, one of the highest picks in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: second round. Oh well whatever. Out of those picks, the
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Vikings got Lewis Scene, and then I think they may
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: have even traded that second one down a little bit further.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: But either way, they eventually got Andrew Booth Junior, two
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of the worst Vikings draft picks in recent memory, whether
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you're talking Quacy or Rix Bielman or whatever. A terrible move.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And one thing that you know, petty Vikings fans like
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: me like to point out often is that they could
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: have stayed pat at twelve and picked Kyle Hamilton, a
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl safety for the Ravens, a guy who is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: actually good, who probably would have just flourished in the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Brian Flores system once he got a chance to be
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: on the field. We're assuming because maybe he wouldn't have
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: had many opportunities behind Harrison Smith. But also outside of
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Harrison Smith, their safeties haven't been great. I mean, you
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: got uh Man, I should remember his name. Cam buying them,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Cam buying them. You're you're just scrolling Twitter there. You
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: just saw a funny pictures they had. They had Harrison
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Smith and then cam buying them, right, he was a safety. Also,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Josh mittelis who wasn't great this year twenty twenty five.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: He sucked this year, but before this year has played,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: he's gotten a couple contracts from the Vikings and they
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: were deserved contracts. So I don't know, maybe Kyle Hamilton
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: would have made it a crowded room, but also Lewis
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: scene made it crowded room. So I don't know. It's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: just that that first draft was awful, and most of
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Quacy's drafts were awful, and Lewis scene was, like Dallas Turner,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: was an exclamation point on the few draft hits that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Quacy had. Lewis scene is definitely at the top of
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the list of the many draft Picksquacy missed on.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And that's why I say he's the thorn. Obviously there
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: were more. In fact, friend of the show, Dustin Baker,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: put together a great tweet I think when did he
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: put this?
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Out?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: January thirtieth at dust Baker on Twitter gave us a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: really good list of Quasey's draft misses, his draft hits,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and then some TBD players to be determined, And for
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the most part, I agree with his list. I would
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: say the only thing I disagree with is Donovan Jackson
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: being on the TBD list. Okay, maybe the sample size
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: is just too small for Dustin, which I can understand.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Would we need to have him back on the show,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can ask him about this.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: For sure, But I felt like Donovan Jackson earned the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: right to be in that hit category. I think so,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: especially with an ailing offensive line this year, he stepped in.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: He filled the gap, and I think there's a ton
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: of potential there for him to bolster himself with a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: starting spot on that offense.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because on this listeners, we're not going to read
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: it all off. But on this list of TBD players,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Donovan Jackson stands at the top as far as the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: best of them, and then after him, I'd say JJ
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: McCarthy is the closest as far as best, But that's
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: just more for what we've actually seen on the field
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and what I think is in their ability wise. But
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the rest of them, you could almost put most of
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: them on the players who who didn't hit correct at all.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: But do we want to go through this list at all?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: We could because okay, so real quick, let me say
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: my Thorne, yes, drafting all of Quacy's drafting. Yeah, there
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: were a couple of contracts that he did that didn't
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: really work out. We could argue whether or not they
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: should have kept Sam Darnold. That's a whole there's series
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: of episodes. We could argue whether or not they should
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: have gone for Aaron Rodgers again, I don't think we
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: need to deep dive into that. But for me, the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: biggest thorn for Quacy was the thing that gms have
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: to be the best at, maybe not right away, but
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: definitely within a few years, and that's picking up good
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: starter level, even rosterable level players in the draft, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Causey just wasn't able to do that on a consistent basis.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: So there we go. There's our thorns. But yeah, as
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: far as the misses, I mean, it really seems like, uh,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Dustin listed out all of the draft picks that Quaysey made.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I think he only made twenty four, and as of
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: right now, fourteen players are still with the Vikings out
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: of those twenty four, so or I think it's about half.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I just put out not too long ago a graphic
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: with that information, So maybe it's twenty four picks and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: twelve are still with the Vikings. Either way, somebody can
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: correct me in the comments. But as far as the misses,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: just it doesn't seem like any particular order. Quarterback Jaron
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Hall started a game or two terrible. The Vikings ended
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: up cutting him. They hoped to bring him back on
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the practice squad apparently, and he chose to go to Seattle.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure where he's at now. Kobe King just
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: drafted in this most recent draft linebacker. I'm pretty sure
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: they cut him towards the end of the season when
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they needed some roster space for I think maybe when
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones was coming off IR. Somebody was coming off
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: IR and they needed space, so they released Kobe King,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: probably to try to get him on the practice squad.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: He was picked up real quick. I think with the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Jets Lewis scene. We just talked about him at Ingram.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: They traded away to the Texans, and apparently he had
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: a pretty decent season, but I guess if you look
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: at PFF, it wasn't so decent. I don't know. I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: more about wins and losses. Oh line, you can look
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: pretty bad but still do your job. Nick Muse tight end.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember him too much on
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the field. Ty Chandler seems like he's been up and
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: down the whole time as a running back if he's
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: good or not. Jacquelin Roy defensive tackle. I think he
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: spent some time with the Patriots after the Vikings released him,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: but also late round pick Caleb Evans. He got some
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: starting time. I'm pretty sure. I think he was in
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: the nickel definitely on the outside for a little bit.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Flashed a little bit early on, but then quickly was like, oh, yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: this guy is terrible, so they released him. Evan stopped
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: me whenever you get bored here. Andrew Booth was in
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that first draft. They traded in the Cowboys for Nashawan Wright,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: who was terrible for the Vikings, and then they got
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: rid of Nashan Wright and the Bears picked him up
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and now he's he might have made the Pro Bowl.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know most Vikings exactly.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Vederian Lowe. I think he was an offensive tackle, late
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: round maybe a six roundish pick. Never really played, but
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: they ended up trading him to the Patriots. Brian Asamoa,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Assamoah whatever you want to call his last name. Sorry,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: that was pretty disrespectful. He kind of seemed like he
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: was going to be a starter, yeah, linebacker, and then
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Ivan Pace came out of nowhere and took his job,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and then Brian got released. I don't know if he's anywhere.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Sase O Tememwo defensive end. I'm pretty sure from the
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: University of Minnesota. He never really latched on didn't do anything.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Mackai Blackman, he a cornerback, right, he was starting to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: look maybe okay, and then he had twenty twenty four
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: he was completely or he towards ACL I'm pretty sure
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: right in training camp and the Vikings ended up trading
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: him in twenty twenty five's training camp or preseason to
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the Colts, and he had a couple of picks there,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and then Dwayne McBride pretty sure he was a seventh
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: round pick running back. I remember Twitter kind of flashing like, whoa,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: they got this guy. He's going to be good, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: then he never did anything. If you want to laugh,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: just go look at interviews from Dwayne McBride. Looks like
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: he's he heard of the English language one time. But
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: those are all the guys that I think we can
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: all agree. Quacy definitely missed on in the draft.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: He the Vikings have a way of doing this, speaking
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of Dwayne McBride, they have a way of finding these
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: running backs that flash in training camp and flash in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the preseason, and I think ty Chandler was another one
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of those. Xavier Scott was another one of those where
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: they just they flash in that August time frame and
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: then you get to September October and they're.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Like guys that make you think, oh, he could make
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the team. Yeah, the Vikings, I think throughout our entire
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: fandom have always had a guy like that, and you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: rarely do they work out. But also the Vikings throughout
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: our entire fandom have pretty much always had like an
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: elite level running back minus a couple of seasons, but
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: like it went. You know, Robert Smith to Milelde Moore
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: was an elite level, but he was definitely starter level.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: That was in yard Contender. Obviously Adrian maybe the greatest
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: running back of all time. Then to Dalvin Cook, who
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: when he peaked, he peeked, That dude was electric. Latavius
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Murray as a backup was still even pretty good. I'll
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: talk about another pro bowler. I'm trying to think who
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: else since then we.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Got to stop saying pro bowler, So it doesn't matter,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it all pro whatever else, whatever accolades
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you want to throw at him, but pro bowler is like, yeah,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: it's off limits.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Now, alright, I'm with you, Evan, do you want to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: kind of go through the hits? I know, I just
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: talked for a long time about players who ended up sucking.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: But there's a few hits that I think are worth
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can cover the hits. I want to get
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to this Dustin Baker tweet that I saw too that
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I think is pretty reviewing. And actually, I think before
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we get to hits, I'm gonna talk about this tweet
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: from Dustin Baker. Leave it to us to just mooch
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: off of everybody else.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: But it's okay because we were not saying it's our thoughts.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Dustin Baker is a really good football mind. Now, yeah,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: you guys will.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Follow him and Dustin, I don't know how he brings
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: together all of this information. I don't know if he
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: literally just takes the five hours that it would take
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to like go through and put all this together, or
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: if he uses AI. I don't know, but I came
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: across this tweet. This came out on January twenty ninth,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: so just a handful of days ago, and his he
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: just has a way of doing this, of bringing these
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: really interesting stats to the forefront of our minds. And
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: he says, which NFL teams use the players they find
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: in the draft? You go, most games started by a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: team and players drafted by that team. So he basically
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: boils it down to one number for each team in
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the NFL total games started by players drafted by that team.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So at the top of the list, and this is
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: not surprising to me at all, at the top of
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the list, and actually by quite a ways, are the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. Yeah, five hundred and sixty three games
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: started by players drafted by the Packers. This is since
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Which isn't very long ago, but it's it's long enough
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: to be telling.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a big gap. The next lower the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: next lowest team is the Giants at four ninety three.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: So that's a big difference right there. Like, we're talking
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: what almost seventy five games, seventy seventy five games that
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the Packers have on any other team in the league.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And if you extrapolate that out to individual players that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: were drafted by the Packers, and then we're started by
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Packers players who were drafted by the Packers. You know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: we're looking at like ten guys give or take right, yeah,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: given injury and you know, well, you're not a starter here,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: but now you are because we elevated you this that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: or the other right like that, that's that's a big deal.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: The Vikings are at the bottom of that list. They
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: are second to last.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: As you say, they're not very bottom.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: They are the second to last team ahead of only
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Crazy in terms of games started by players
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: that were drafted by their team.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: In Qua's tenure, because since twenty twenty.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Two, so like second to last in the league. And
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and that's not the only measure of success. And I
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to look at this because this tweet came out,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: you know, four or five days ago. The Seahawks are
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: what one, two, three four, I have six, seventh or
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: eighth on that list. The Seahawks going to the Super
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Bowl next week are pretty high on that list. They're
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: a top ten team on that list. The Patriots are
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: actually only one, two, three, four teams ahead of the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Vikings on that list. Now, the Patriots had this weird
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: like the Tom Brady era ended, then the Bill Belichick
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: era ended, and then it was the Sharon Moore more
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: was Michigan coach Michigan Tom Brady All yeah, I get it.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: It was the Droid Mayo year that, like, I think
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Patriots fans would love to forget.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's a piece of information on their journey to
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the super Bowl this year.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have to keep that into consideration when
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you're considering the Patriots going to the super Bowl this year. Like,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the turnaround that that team has experienced is impressive. So
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: this statistic that Dustin put together isn't necessarily the end
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: all be all, Like if you draft and develop players,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily guarantee that you're going to the super Bowl,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I e. The Packers, right Like, but.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Packers are one of the better teams
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two. Look on that the top handful
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: of player teams on that list, the Giants standout is
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: number two as being not a great team. But after
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that Texans, Rams, Buccaneers, Jets. Like the Rams, Buccaneers, those
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: are all the Packers through the Buccaneers, you're only looking
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: at one team in that list that isn't great. But
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: even that one team won a playoff game in twenty
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: twenty two. So, like I think the Seahawks, I wonder
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: if we looked at the middle, where are the Chiefs at?
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Are they like dead smacking pretty much much? Yeah, that's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: probably a good I would look at that as an
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: analyst and be like, well, this is a great visualization.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Chiefs and Bills are dead center.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: That probably proves perfect Eagles, Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: that probably proves perfectly how important it is to balance
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: drafting as well as inserting the right free agents where
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: you need to. So like, now you talk Eagles, Bill's Chiefs,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: they're dead smack in the middle. You're talking the Super
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Bowl winners slash contenders of the last few years. What's
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: one extremely commonality, one extremely common thing between all three
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: of those teams elite quarterbacks. So, like, I mean and coaching,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: But I think that list is interesting, and there's two reasons.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Well that was the first reason that it probably shows
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: that a good tandem of drafting as well as free
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: agents are the secret sauce. Really. But also a few
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: days after Dustin tweeted that out, quasi Daffa Mensa was fired,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: and I think that day Dustin retweeted that tweet and
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: quoted it basically saying like, holy crap, did I get
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Cracy fired? And if you look at the bottom of
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the list, I wonder how many coaches and or gms
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: from the bottom of the list have been fired since
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. It's probably a high number. I know
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins didn't they totally reset this year. The Vikings. Yeah,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell has proven to be a good offensive mine,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: so that probably saved him for at least another year
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: or two. The Browns, Are you kidding me? Those are
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the bottom three of that list.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: So you also have some pretty good teams in there.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: The Broncos made the playoffs this year. The Panthers made
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. The Patriots are going to the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: super Bowl. The forty nine ers made the playoffs this year.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Well, the forty nine ers, I would say they're low
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: because of injuries. Yeah, and you have a couple of
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: guys that weren't well, I'm just I guess Christian McCaffery
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: is the only one that I can think of that
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't drafted. That was a big free well trade that
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: has probably played a lot of games. But even he
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: was injured, So that goes into that.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Little Mac Jones played quite a few games this year.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Yea.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: So it's like I said, it's not the end all
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: be all, It's not the only stat that matters, but
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: it's it's just another angle. And again, Dustin Baker's just
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: really good at that kind of thing, Like, if you're
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: interested in that, we would highly recommend following him, because
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: every time I open Twitter and see something that he's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: posted there, I'm just like, oh wow, I didn't think
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: of it from that perspective, and he's really good at
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: bringing those perspectives to the forefront.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So we've kind of covered our roses and thorns. I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: want to cover a few other threads of this quasy
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: departure from the vikings. We're starting to run low on time,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: so I want to make sure that we don't lose
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: our listeners here. But there are some maybe we've lost
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: most of them at this point. Whatever doesn't matter to me.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: We're having a good time. By the way, this beer.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, well we'll get there. But this beer
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: is really good.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: It's hitting. But there are some other interesting threads to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: this quasi firing that I want to talk about. First
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: of all, let's talk about the weird timing and circumstances
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of this, right, Like, he wasn't fired. When most teams
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: fire coaches slash gms, usually it's whenever your season ends,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: whether that's the last regular season game or you losing
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, it's usually like the next day, that's like,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: that's the day. That's when you got to.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Compete for other teams that also fire their guys, for
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the best available guys to fill those roles.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: So the Vikings lost to the pack or sorry, beat
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the Packers. Vikings won their last five times in the season,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: which is awesome. I forget that. Sometimes we were there,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: we witnessed it. It was a fun time.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: It was a great time thereof perhaps to Blue and
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Tim for really getting us through that day. That was
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: a good day.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: That was a good day. But you would expect that
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the following day, which would have been what January fifth,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you would have expected if they would
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: have followed the typical flow of NFL teams, that they
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: would have fired anybody koc Quacy, any other office personnel,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: they would have fired him that day, January fifth, because
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that's when that's when that stuff happens. And they didn't,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and they waited until when did the officially get fired.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: It was Friday Friday, so January thirtieth.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: January thirtieth, yep, Okay, so yeah, just weird. And I
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: wonder if there's a little bit of like Brian Flores
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: kind of sneaked in there, like and I don't know
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: if Brian Flores knew something that other people didn't. I
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: wonder if maybe Brian Flores maybe like use that as
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: a leverage point, like if you want me back, he
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: can't come back kind of thing. I don't know. But
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: and also it's curious to me that there's no immediate
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: replacement you mentioned earlier. Gregson is kind of stepping in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: as the Brazinski Sorry not Gregson. Brazinski is kind of
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: filling in acting GM through the draft. But that's also
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: weird because most teams are gonna like right now, like
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: early January. We're early February now, but early January they're
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: gonna fire the GM hire a new one and try
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: to like, you know, baptize that guy with fire, and
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: like here we go. Draft is in two months. You
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: gotta have a plan ready to go, and we also
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: have free agency to think about and all that. It
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: seems like ownership is fine to just like we'll just
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: kind of float along through March and April and then
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: we'll figure it out from there.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Mark Wilfe, one of the owners, Ziggi,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Wilf's brother, had a press conference just Mark Wilfe the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: day that Friday, the day they fired Quacy, and he
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: did kind of allude to that He's he did admit like, yeah,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: this is pretty late in the in the NFL yearly
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: cycle to be doing this, but he also basically said
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: that's why we're gonna be in the trusting hands of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Rob Brazinski. And he didn't say this, but it's it's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Rob and Kevin O'Connell. Like, don't listeners, don't think Kevin
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: O'Connell is not going to have a huge say and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of power in all of these moves throughout
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: free agency and the draft. And having never seen him
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: have that kind of GM coach role, I'm okay with
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: seeing how this goes because I mean, maybe the tandem
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: of Rob and Kevin O'Connell and you know, of course
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: the rest of the coaches and the scouting staff turns
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: out to be great. And if they hit I don't
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: know how many picks, I think they're slated to have
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: six or seven picks, maybe a few more in this draft.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: If they hit on like three of them, I'm given
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a round of applause, let's go. That's awesome, especially
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: if they hit then we know they hit early. But
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: it's also kind of interesting that you mentioned the whole
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Brian Flores aspect to all of this. I was just
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: listening yesterday to another podcast, the Norse Code. Norse Code,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: It's got Oh my gosh, a Reef Hassan. I'm so
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: sorry that that slipped my mind. I've had too many
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: of these four point eight percenters here tonight, a Reef
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and I think the other guy's name is Again, I'm
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: really sorry, Jeff pagash Nick. Either way, North Code podcast,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: really good, highly established podcast. Go check them out. I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: think they announced this upcoming season is going to be
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: their last year of podcasting. James James I said, Jeff,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, James. Go check them out. They're great.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: If you know about us and not them, something has
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: gone terribly wrong. But anyways, they just had an emergency
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: episode talking about the Quacy stuff, and I'm pretty sure
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: a Reef mentioned something again. He didn't say he wasn't
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: reporting this, but he was kind of almost conspiracy saying
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: like maybe the timing has something to do with Brian Flores,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe it could have been a condition
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: of Flora's re signing, saying you gotta get rid of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: this guy again. A reef wasn't saying that's exactly what happened,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: but it's one thing to think about. Maybe that's something
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: that did happen. I don't know, but it's interesting that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I heard it from another source or another you know,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: opiner here a few days ago, and then you mentioned
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: it right there too. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Either way, everything we've heard reported about this whole Quasi stuff, which,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: by the way, most of these reports that have come
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: out since Quasy has been fired have been very like
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: pointing at Quasi as he is the one that's wrong
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: with every decision. Every bad thing that happened in the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Vikings was a direct result of his terrible decisions. That's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: that's cool down here, Like he's he he did some
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: good things. That's why we started off with roses and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: thorns for Quasy, you know, like it wasn't all doom
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and gloom, and he definitely did some good things. But also,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: you know, he did some terrible things too, decisions not
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: like awful human being things, but you never know. I mean,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: maybe Floras made a bad decision too. Maybe Kevin O'Connell
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: made a bad decision too, But it is interesting that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: you brought that up.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the timing is weird for sure. I
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: think another interesting thread that maybe has kind of dominated
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the like most forefront of the media is his paternity leave,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: that he took a really precarious time.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like we can we can spend
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: a few minutes on this, but we kind of talked
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: about this pre show. But what are your thoughts?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Well, so let's just give some context just in case
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the casual listener out there doesn't know. So Quasi has
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: come under fire and it's kind of leaked since he
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: was fired that he took his two weeks of paternity
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: leave I think allotted to him by I don't know
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: if it's the league or if it's the team. Technically,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: like FMLA gives you like a lot of leave, some
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: of it is unpaid, and I've been the recipient of that,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: having been now the father of two children, and both
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: of my children I'm a teacher, so both of my
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: children were born during the school year, and I took
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: time off to you know, help my family transition into
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: new life. But his paternity leave happened during training camp. Yeah,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: and that was notable. And you sent me a really
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: interesting Ben liber video. Ben Leber, former linebacker for the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Vikings and now one of the voices on the Vikings
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Entertainment Network. He was in his car posting a quick
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: little video basically like kind of calling out Quasi, Like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you can't do that, is what Ben Leber said, Like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: there are other jobs, there are other careers that you
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: could choose where you could take two weeks of paid
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: paternity leave and it would be acceptable, It would be fine,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: and you could come back after two weeks and all
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: would be good and you'd pick up business as usual.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: And timing of Quacy's paternity leave that he took was
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: during Vikings training camp. And I think that was probably
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: one of Ben's biggest points of contention in his video
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: that he put out was in the NFL, if you're
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: a GM, that is kind of one of the most
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: important times of your working year. Like your players and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: your coach they work towards the Super Bowl, like they
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: work towards the end of the season. You work in April, May, June, July,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: August to assemble a team and make sure that everybody's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: healthy and good during the season. Once football actually starts
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: and they're playing games, like you kind of go back
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and just you're evaluating players. You're maybe keeping an eye
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: on what's happening in the rest of the league. You maybe,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you know, pull the trigger on an emergency like Josh
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Dobbs situation, like when Kirk Cousins went down and they
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: needed to find a quarterback quickly. But for the most part,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: once the season starts, you're just kind of like you know,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: a Lah good old my favorite movie h Moneyball, where uh,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they talk about how like my my job
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: is playing this roster that you assembled for me, and uh,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: that's that's the GM's job is to assemble the roster
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and then let the coaches and the players play the games,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: you know, but to to take paternity leave. I would
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: like to kind of take issue with all of that
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: for just a minute. As a father of two and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: as as a fellow workaholic, I think a lot of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of like the you know, the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Netflix documentaries and the Hard Knocks and stuff like that,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like these coaches and players devote inordinate amounts of their
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: time energy.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Who was was it the Seahawks coach that famously was
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: quoted in the last week or two saying he spends
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes a week with either a day or a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: week Mike McDonald's with his kid. And I take a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: little bit of an issue with that.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm not at all claiming to be the perfect
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: father or like whatever, but I'm a fellow workaholic and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I spend way too much time at work. My wife
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: would say that I'm a teacher and a coach, and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: like my day ends at a certain time and I'm
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: not home until an hour later or more sometimes just
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: because that's how I operate, and so I get it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I can relate, I can empathize. But Ben Leeber in
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: his video today basically said, like, that's just not how
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the NFL works. And I think that's an NFL problem.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a Quasy problem. I don't think
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that's a Vikings problem. I think in arguably the world's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: most competitive and most lucrative league one of Yeah, sure,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't have hard numbers to back up that.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, soccer in Europe might be more whatever, but.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: At least at least in the United States.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: We do we soccer. Evan, you said the Pro Bowl sucks.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Soccer sucks. It's just the worst. So come out of it.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: They're gonna come at you and say we're the original.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I Austin said, soccer sucks, and I'll.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Die on that.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Nate Bargatsy, in his little SNL sketch said, we play
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: football in America. It's a game where you throw a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: ball with your hands. With your hands, sir, yeah, is
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: there any kicking in football? There's a little kicking. How
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: many points do you get for kicking the ball? Sir?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Sometimes one and sometimes three? Anyways, Benley, Anyways, soccer sucks.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: All that to say, I do take issue with that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit, just because I think it's just generally
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: unhealthy for the individuals involved, for the families involved, for
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: the organizations, sure, for the league as a whole, and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: I think for society. If I have the platform to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: speak to American society, which I know that we don't
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: necessarily there, but I think it uncovers a larger problem.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: And again, I don't claim to be perfect. I don't
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: claim to have it all figured out. My wife would
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: tell me the same, She would tell you all the same.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Out there listening, Like, there are definitely ways that I
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: can improve in terms of my overall accessibility to my family,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: but I would still I have a pretty hard line
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: in my life, and there are times in the day
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: and times in my year where it's like, no, my
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: family gets my full attention right now, and work doesn't matter. Yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's a fine line. And there are
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: times where, like with our ultra connected lives, where I've
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: got my phone in front of me and I'm getting
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: emails from students and coworkers and whatever, and like there's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that temptation to respond and I have to just say no, Like, nope,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I'm with my kids right now. They're more important than
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: anything else, including my job, including my paycheck. Like, yes,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: my paycheck is important to provide for them, but if
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: my job can't accommodate for that work life balance, then
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I might need to find a new job. And well,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: for my job, it's mostly me. I'm the problem. It's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: not my job, it's not the expectations of my supervisors.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And maybe it's different if you're an nfl GM. I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, but it sounds like Quazy kind of forged
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: a different path than what is typically forged or what
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: is typically typically followed for NFL gms, and I don't
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: fault him for that necessarily, And I don't know that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: this is a thread. We've already talked a lot about it,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna maybe over empathize it, which maybe doesn't
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: help the point that I'm trying to make, but that's okay. Yeah,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I applaud him for taking that time. The timing of
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it sucks, and you know, your job's your job, but
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you got to put
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: your people first, your family first. Everything else comes after that.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you, for normal people and for
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: you and me a thousand percent agree with you. I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: work for an organization where any parent, mom or dad,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: if you have a child, or even adopt a child,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: if your family grows, you are entitled to twelve weeks
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: of leave, and not just like you get to use
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: twelve weeks of the vacation time you've already earned or
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: the sick time you've already earned. It's a totally separate
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: like here you go free three months, twelve weeks of leave,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: and I think that should be bare minimum for everybody
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: across the world because it's amazing, and that that rule
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: didn't apply until after months after my family we had
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: our third child, our final child, so I never got
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: to fully experience that. I'm one that I think I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: took two weeks off for most of my kids. But yeah,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: if your employer is allowing for that, absolutely I see
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: the huge value in that family is the most important thing,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: and so for that reason I agree with Quac taking
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: that time off. You're never gonna get to see the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: birth of your child ever again. You're never gonna get
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: to be you've been there the first like week at
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: home with your child. It's such like a you can't
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: even describe it, but it's a very important time. But
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: going back to Ben Leeber's like three minute post, it's unfortunate,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: and you hit on it when you said it's probably
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: an NFL problem. It's unfortunate that you know the rules
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: are a little bit different for the thirty two people
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: in the world that can say they're a general manager
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: for an NFL team, Maybe it doesn't matter if you
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: go on and win games and win the Super Bowl.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: If you win the Super Bowl, nobody cares if you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: took twelve weeks off for the birth of your child. Literally,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: nobody cares. If you win the Super Bowl, you could
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: you could take fifty two weeks off the next year,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and if you win the Super Bowl again, who cares?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Like that's all that matters. But then you get in
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the situations like this where if you have a nine
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: to eight season and you've botched a quarterback situation and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you're drafting terribly and the face of the situation of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: the franchise isn't looking great and you're supposed to be
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: the end all, be all decision maker. Then it comes out, oh,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: you took two weeks off during you know, the most
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: important evaluation period of your team of the year. Maybe
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: that makes you look bad, regardless of if it's the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: most important reason, you know, the birth of your children
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: or not. So I don't necessarily agree with all the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: people that are given them a lot of flak for
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: taking time off, but I can see the viewpoint. I'm
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: not one that if he was still the GM and
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: this information came out and everything else was the same,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: it's just he's still hired. I wouldn't be one that's like,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: you know, if that guy, how dare he take time off?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Like maybe I just I just wouldn't have anything to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: say about that, but I can definitely see why people
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: who have nothing better to do are complaining about it.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Either way, I think it's kind of overblown, Evan, I
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: think you and I kind of agree on this. I
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: think people should take that valuable time for themselves and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: for their family. Fortunately, again, it's an NFL problem, And
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: maybe it's the same with all the other sports like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: soccer and and basketball, and dang it, I just called
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: soccer a sport, but maybe it's the same there.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: But and it sucks, and maybe it's not even just
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a sports issue. Maybe it's a societal issue because I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: think pre show we were talking about like CEOs of
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: major companies like these Forbes five hundred companies. I'm sure
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: these CEOs, even if they are going through major life
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: events like you know, welcoming a child into the world,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: there's still you know, very much connected to their jobs.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, nowadays, it's never been easier to like
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: be ultra connected, and you can email, you can text,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: you can call, you can FaceTime, you can you know,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: you can literally create documents and websites on your phone,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: so like there's there's no.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Check out the schoolhop dot com. It's almost exclusively created
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: on a.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Phone problem probably, but like, yeah, I think maybe we're
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: underscoring a bigger societal issue. Not that we aim to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: like really get under the skin of society on this
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: podcast and like, you know, you know, unearth these big,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: weighty things and try to affect change. That's not what
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: we're after, but it is an interesting talking point, and
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I think Quacy will be perhaps an agent for a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: change when it comes to some of that. And maybe
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, he has to you know, undergo some
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: scrutiny and maybe some persecution that way to really affect
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: change in the NFL.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe I would say, had this information come out, you know,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: a year ago, when the Vikings were in the playoffs
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: and had a great season and then it came out like, oh,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: this dude took a couple of weeks off, most people
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: would be like, I.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Mean, good for him.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked out. I mean, this team is good.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: But I do go back to Ben Lieber and when
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: he said, because you mentioned like you can most jobs
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: you can do remotely, you can. I have a job
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: that I can do remotely, even though my organization changed
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: the rules and I have to go in the office
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: every day, which totally sucks almost as bad as Alliance fans. Anyways,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: there it is.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: It's like the fifth episode in a row.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think maybe Quasy could have tried to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: be a change for that narrative but ultimately got fired.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: So the people that hate the fact that he took
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: time off are just gonna go to you got fired. See,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: he shouldn't have taken that time off, which again the
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Schoolhop does not necessarily agree with.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's hard to argue with the timing of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: it all, Like he took that time off during training
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: camp when it's arguably the most Like you have to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: whittle a roster down from ninety players to thirty or
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: fifty to thirty players, that that's a big cut, Like
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: you've got to do a lot of evaluations in that.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm that would be like, you know, as a coach,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: missing basically an entire season almost like worth of work.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Like and they're they're probably working around the clock doing
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: all these player evaluations, trying to figure out like who stays,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: who goes. I gotta get ninety guys down at fifty three,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: that's basically cutting this roster in half, give or take,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: and he was gone for most of it. So I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: understand it from the business aspect of it. I understand
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: it from the the operations aspect of it all. But
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't know. We
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: got to be a little more lenient with people when
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: they're undergo significant life change like this.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do think just to kind of wrap
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: it all up in a bow, Evan, I think you
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: and I kind of agree on this as a whole.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: People should be able to take that time off, and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: priorities should be set, and I guess, you know, as
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: long as every family's priority a different But I think
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: ultimately something we can all agree on, whether you wherever
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: you stand on the whole parental leave thing for Quacy
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: is that there were probably way more important things that
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: led to Quacy being fired, and those are probably the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: things that we should be focusing on more, like the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: inability to draft, like the you know, it sounds like
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: there were concerns about the working relationship between the head
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: coach and the GM, which, as Vikings fans, we've seen
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: firsthand with Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer who apparently didn't
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: talk the whole last year that they worked together.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: A bit longer than Yeah, it's just not.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: A good thing. So I think those things are more
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: important than taking a couple of weeks off during one
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: of the most important times of the NFL cycle.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: And truth be told, if he's able to find another job,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: even if it's not a GM job, if it's an
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: assistant GM or if it's a you know, you know whatever.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: If he's able to find a front office job with
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: a pro sports team anywhere, good for him. And he
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: was able to prioritize his family over anything else, and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I'd get fired over that any day.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: As long as it works out. Hey, family over everything.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: From two guys that have multiple kids and families that
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: there's nothing more important. I don't think two things two
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: predictions from me based off something you just said about Quac.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: I think two things. One, Quac will be a successful
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: professional and we'll go on and have a successful life
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: outside of sports maybe. And if it's in sports, and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: it won't be in a GM role, it'll be in
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: like in a financial role or something like that. To
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: the Vikings, whenever they hire their next GM after the draft,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: whoever it is, will be someone who has been a
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: tried and true many years multiple decades. Maybe in football,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: it will be someone who has been in football for
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: a long time and knows football in and out. Because
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: the Wolves already did the thing where they hired the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: exciting guy that's like the Billy Bean guy that's like, hey,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I know value of things, and yeah, football, it's awesome.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of been into football, but like, I know
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: the mathematics of everything, Like the Wilts are not going
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: to go for that. The next GM with the Vikings
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: will be a very experienced football mind. Whether or not
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: that's good.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Your argument kind of falls apart a little bit there
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: because Billy Bean actually played baseball.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's baseball, and it's right there with soccer.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: And then he became a GM of a baseball team.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I watched the movie one time. I will not
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: watch it again.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, No, And I don't fault you for not knowing that.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: It's okay, it's a great movie, and those of us
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: that like it, we understand. But I don't disagree with you.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: I think I think what ownership saw and Quacy was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: kind of this like flashy, young, hip cool, like let's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: take a gamble on this guy. And they'd done that
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: with Kevin O'Connell too, like he was the flashy, young, hip,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: cool coach that came up under the Sean McVay tree.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: And just won a super Bowl, a super Bowl.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: You know, like why not? And obviously they hit on
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: the coach, but they didn't quite hit on the GM,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: and that's okay. So here we are, you know, kind
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: of in this weird limbo phase where it's like, well,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: we'll get through the draft and then we'll figure something out.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: And maybe it's Rob Razinski, maybe it's somebody else, who knows.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: All right, Evan, the horse is there, it's dead, and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: we we beat it to them. Caucy is no longer
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: the GM. The Vikings will have a new GM, whether
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: it's Rob Razinski or they promote Koc to be a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: coach GM or probably something smarter than doing that. That's done.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Whether you are happy about.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: You really think they're gonna go Bill Belichick and.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think that they should, but
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: I am trying to see Koc with full power, pretty
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: much full power for the next season or so. Anyways,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: the next thing coming up in the NFL world is
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl Super BOWLD. Before we sit down at
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: the school Men's Center again, Schoolman's Center again. We will
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: have watched the Super Bowl Seahawks Patriots, a rematch from
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: what twenty twelve or something like that, and then who
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: do you think wins? What's the score? And why.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not like super
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: excited about the Super Bowl. I mean, there's not much
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: that would get me like super excited outside of the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Vikings playing in the super Bowl. Like obviously, if the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Vikings were playing, I don't know if I could even
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: like do a podcast right now, Like if Vikings were
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: playing in the super Bowl, I'd just be like I'd
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: be thrilled.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, if they ever make it, I'm gonna be
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to take two weeks off between the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Championship game and the super Bowl, like I will be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: a worthless human being before the game. So I definitely
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: know what you're saying.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: So anyways, all of that to say, this Super Bowl
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't come with the same fan fare that a lot
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: of the other previous Super Bowls have, Like it's just
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it's not that enticing to me. Ye, Sam Darnold is
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit enticing to me. Former Vikings quarterback have
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: one great year with the Vikings and kind of crap
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: to the bed at the end of the season and
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. And now he's basically the front
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: runner for the MVP and could win a Super Bowl.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm cheering for the Seahawks. I hope the Seahawks win.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to see a resurgence of this
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Patriots dynasty. Although, like Mike Rabel, I think is a
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: good coach. Drake may is a good guy. I don't
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: want to see Stefan Diggs in a Super Bowl.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Gart Bradbury. We chased him out of town too.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: He's okay, He's okay. I'd rather see Garrett Bradbury get
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: a ring than Stefan Diggs.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: What about Sam Donald and Cam Akers two touchdown throwing
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: machines for the Vikings.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm more in favor of that for sure. But
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: like I'm just I'm just not interested in this game
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: at all. I might not watch a lot of it,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'll watch it. It'll be on,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: but like, I'm not interested in the game. I'm not
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: interested in the halftime show. I'm just not interested in
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: anything really regarding this game. It might be still like,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I might, I don't. I might both got it. I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: might like I might black it out a little bit.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I know it's an American holiday, but I also believe
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta go to work the next day.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I took the next day off. I didn't more for
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: my birthday than super Bowl.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you have a right to do that.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: You you have a right to take the next day
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: off too.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not my birthday, then you don't need to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: have a birthday. Well we can split hairs on that later.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: To answer your question, I'm just gonna make it short
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: and sweet. Even though I've made this really long, already.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: Long story short, that's still long.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I think Seattle wins. I think it's an offensive battle.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Both teams have good defenses, and both teams proved that
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: in their respective conference championship games. But I think offense
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: shows out in this game. The over unders pretty high
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: forty six and a half currently on ESPN.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: It's like a mid scoring game because that's like twenty
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: three points. I guess it's trending to a height.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Its trending towards that, And you know, if one team
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: really starts to pull ahead and their defense holds the
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: opposing team off. You know, it could result in that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: kind of a high scoring game. So I don't know.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I like Seattle. I think Sam Donald's the MVP. Good
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: for him, all right, that's it. Score, we'll say thirty
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: to twenty three, all right, Yeah.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Short and sweet for me, I'm rooting for the Seahawks
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: more for Sam Donald. I'm actually I'm a Sam Donald fan.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: I think he only ever did right by the vikings
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: and shame on him for taking a better opportunity with
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: probably more money in Seattle. Yeah, I think the Seahawks
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: are a better overall team. I too think it will
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: be an offensive performance. I think it's thirty one eight Seattle.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: But I think your your score is pretty good too. Yeah,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: until you guys won't hear from us until after the
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So Evan, if people want to keep the
• 1:29:12
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• 1:29:15
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• 1:29:17
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• 1:29:20
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• 1:29:24
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• 1:29:27
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• 1:29:34
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• 1:29:36
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• 1:29:40
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• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting merch up again too.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: We're starting to reignite the merch game. We've we've got
• 1:29:47
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• 1:29:51
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• 1:29:53
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• 1:29:57
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• 1:30:02
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• 1:30:09
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  Speaker 1: as a lot of other content that we put out there.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Spotify anywhere you get podcasts. If you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to us, you can find us there. TikTok is a
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  Speaker 1: kind of an outlier, but a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: For social media, we kind of found a niche audience
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  Speaker 1: there as well. But we're out there. You just you
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  Speaker 1: just gotta find us. And if you find us, I
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  Speaker 1: think you'll like us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Van, you brought this late Time beer the
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  Speaker 2: the Red Zeppelin Final thoughts five seconds. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think of this one?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you said this at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the episode, and I agree. I think we could both
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  Speaker 1: have six of these. I feel just fine and be
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  Speaker 1: really satisfied. Yeah, this was a good beer. I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I might have to find this one again. And it
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  Speaker 1: actually wasn't like break the Bank expensive, so I might
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  Speaker 1: find this one again. Sometimes I'll buy a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more expensive beer for this just because I know, like
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  Speaker 1: it's the experience, Like I'm okay spending five bucks more
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  Speaker 1: for a six pack of something that we might really enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: But like this one is it was like kind of
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  Speaker 1: on par with other, like craft beer six packs that
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  Speaker 1: I would buy. I might gravitate towards this one again
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  Speaker 1: because it's just solid. It's so good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great beer. Good job, like time. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for making such a great beer. Let us know if
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  Speaker 2: you ever want to send us some more beer for
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  Speaker 2: us so we can talk it up to Until then,
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  Speaker 2: I've just switch up again. Really great beer, really great episode.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe best episode. Yeah, maybe let's cold.
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