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Gardens Of The Galaxies From Mark Springer What If Adam And Eve Hadn't Eaten The Fruit · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today, Mark?
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  Speaker 2: Really good. How are you, Jero?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and looking forward to sharing a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: you because, my God, I have sat with some preachers
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  Speaker 1: over the past few weeks here and we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: your book and they go, I've been wanting to preach that.
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  Speaker 1: I swear I've been wanting to do that. You know
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  Speaker 1: how those southern preachers are.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Well, that's exciting because it is an important book.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Gardens in the Galaxies is a book
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  Speaker 3: that really makes people realize the importance of believing and
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  Speaker 3: understanding Adam and Eve and Jesus together. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 3: both related to the connection of our condition now and
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  Speaker 3: in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it we have forgotten that? What, what is
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  Speaker 1: it that has happened to us to where we want
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  Speaker 1: to keep that separation in there? And it's like, my goodness, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's all connected to the same story. It's all coming
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  Speaker 1: from the same roots.
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  Speaker 3: I think what you really have to look at is, uh,
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  Speaker 3: It's best expressed in Psalms 8-5 that originally man was
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  Speaker 3: made a little lower than God. He was close to
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  Speaker 3: being in the God class. But when Adam fell, he
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  Speaker 3: fell two levels, basically. He fell below the angel class,
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  Speaker 3: and a fallen angel, Satan, became his Lord. So because we,
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  Speaker 3: and now, before we have Christ who restored to us
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  Speaker 3: that nature of being in the God class. And it's
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  Speaker 3: very difficult for people to accept that because they feel like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I can't be God. But it's the Christ nature that
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  Speaker 3: elevates us to what we actually always were intended to be.
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  Speaker 3: If you think about Jesus, what he was referred to
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  Speaker 3: as the Son of God and the Son of Man.
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  Speaker 2: And why is that?
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  Speaker 3: That's because he really restored to us who we were
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  Speaker 3: meant to be. So why do we regard ourselves? We
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  Speaker 3: can't regard ourselves as that until we have that Christ
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  Speaker 3: nature in us. So we see ourselves in that lower,
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  Speaker 3: That's why evolution got such a track, because if you
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  Speaker 3: see yourself as an animal, you.
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  Speaker 2: Act like an animal. You believe you're an animal. You're
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  Speaker 2: on the level of an animal. And that nature and
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  Speaker 2: that belief system is really running rampant now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you would not believe, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: martial arts, because no matter what your knowledge is, you're
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  Speaker 1: considered to be a white belt no matter what. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like you live that lifestyle. And it seems like
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  Speaker 1: that's what they're doing at jobs, too. They belittle you
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  Speaker 1: to the point to where they think you are. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to be this person and you and you lose control.
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  Speaker 1: And what does that do? It poisons everything that you
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  Speaker 1: want to do when you're home alone or you're doing
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  Speaker 1: your spiritual studies.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's really the thing.
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  Speaker 3: That goes back to something else which happened in the
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  Speaker 3: garden where, of course, we know the transgression of Adam
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  Speaker 3: was he ate from the tree of the knowledge of
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  Speaker 3: good and evil.
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  Speaker 2: And we live in an.
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  Speaker 3: Age which … If it doesn't celebrate one thing, it
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  Speaker 3: celebrates knowledge, sense-based knowledge. Even artificial intelligence is not really
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  Speaker 3: the same as what was in the tree of life,
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  Speaker 3: which is the wisdom of God, which is in Christ.
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  Speaker 3: And we know in the New Testament where it talks
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  Speaker 3: about the love of Christ surpasses knowledge. So if you
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  Speaker 3: can't get up to that level, you're stuck into this Really,
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  Speaker 3: it's enslavement. That's what's enslaved us was the knowledge of
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  Speaker 3: good and evil, because we lost our connection with God.
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  Speaker 3: We lost the ability for us to receive by faith
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  Speaker 3: from God, to know what to do in every situation
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  Speaker 3: when we bound ourselves to the burden of decision making.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that you just painted the picture of today?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you literally, yeah, I mean, it's everything that
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  Speaker 1: you just said is everything that's taking place today.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason for that is because we need to
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  Speaker 3: find Christ and get back to who we were.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: In Christ, a lot of people, that's not the last
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  Speaker 3: name of Jesus. It's not Jesus Christ. Christ is the anointing.
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  Speaker 3: That is the very, the reason he died was twofold.
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  Speaker 3: He took away everything that was bad, all the sins
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  Speaker 3: and everything. But some people forget that he also gave
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  Speaker 3: us his righteousness, his nature in Christ. When you receive
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  Speaker 3: that spirit, you receive the spirit of Christ or the anointing.
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  Speaker 3: which this is what restores us back to that God class.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of it doesn't mean that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of reservation to really talking
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  Speaker 3: about that because it's like now you get into these arguments. Well,
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  Speaker 3: who are you?
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  Speaker 2: Who made you God? Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I got to bring up this question only
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  Speaker 1: because I try to look at all sides of the
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  Speaker 1: listening view. And that is the art of blending science
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  Speaker 1: fiction with spirituality. I know a lot of people that
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  Speaker 1: think that the big book is exactly that and that
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  Speaker 1: a book like this really is an eye opener because,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at it. Look how many people no
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  Speaker 1: longer feel blind because of chat GPT or even Gemini.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about it. And I sit
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  Speaker 1: there more times writing about how I feel like that
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  Speaker 1: I've been blindsided by all of this clickbait.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting you talk about in Gardens of the Galaxies,
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  Speaker 3: there is the blending of it, I guess, is in
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  Speaker 3: the title, Gardens in the Galaxies. And what this is about,
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  Speaker 3: what that title comes from, is the work is a
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  Speaker 3: speculative fiction in the sense of like, what would have
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  Speaker 3: happened if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed God?
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  Speaker 2: What was the plan?
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  Speaker 3: Why were all these trillions of planets created out there
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  Speaker 3: in outer space? Mm-hmm. And God doesn't do something without
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  Speaker 3: a reason for it. And what this book talks about
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  Speaker 3: is that really just Adam and Eve were given the
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  Speaker 3: charge to plant gardens on the earth. Well, you can
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  Speaker 3: only imagine if things would have gone on and on
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  Speaker 3: and they would have reproduced, they would have been the
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  Speaker 3: only people around. They would have had offspring. How they
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  Speaker 3: would have done it, we don't really know. But If
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  Speaker 3: they had not disobeyed, they would have reproduced themselves, be
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  Speaker 3: fruitful and multiply. That was given to them as a charge.
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  Speaker 2: So where would everyone have gone?
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  Speaker 3: They would have gone out to these galaxies, to these planets,
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  Speaker 3: and their offspring would have had their own.
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  Speaker 2: God made us to be just like him. He made
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  Speaker 2: us in his image to be a creator, to create.
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  Speaker 3: So he had it set up that there would be
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  Speaker 3: planets for everyone to have their own planet, have their
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  Speaker 3: own garden, live in just really unbelievable joy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but of.
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  Speaker 3: Course, we made the decision that, you know, we knew
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  Speaker 3: what was better than God, which that's what.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting about this, Mark, is that
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  Speaker 1: I was with Dave, the preacher guy, just the other day,
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  Speaker 1: and before I could even tell him what your book
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  Speaker 1: was about, I gave him a synopsis, and he goes, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Gardens in the Galaxies. And I went, how do you
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  Speaker 1: know this? So how did he know that? Is it
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  Speaker 1: a spoken language that we're finally being introduced, thanks to
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  Speaker 1: your guts and courage, to bring a book like this out?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about how he came up with the
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  Speaker 3: same thing, but there is a Holy Spirit, and there
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  Speaker 3: is Truth that is out there and really the difference
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  Speaker 3: between the knowledge of good and evil, which Adam took
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  Speaker 3: and what I believe was in the tree of life
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  Speaker 3: is what is known as revelation knowledge, which is when
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  Speaker 3: you get born again and you have the spirit, the spirit,
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  Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit, that is actually God. out there for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And there is a truth, a single truth. Remember Pilate's
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  Speaker 3: question to Jesus, what is truth? He's looking right in
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  Speaker 3: his face. And, and we've forgotten that I think as
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  Speaker 3: a society, I mean, there's, you know, it's, we're in
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  Speaker 3: an absolute, what is your truth? What is my truth? No,
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  Speaker 3: there is a truth. And so that truth is out
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  Speaker 3: there in the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 2: It's within us.
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  Speaker 3: So I think there can be a time when people
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  Speaker 3: call it intuition. You ask someone and he said, oh, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Gardens in the galaxies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, these are sometimes things come that way by revelation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I've always believed that the snake got
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  Speaker 1: the bum rap. Who's getting the bum rap these days?
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  Speaker 1: If we're in it, basically, we are in a Garden
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  Speaker 1: of Eden right now and we keep sampling that fruit
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to social media. Who's going to get
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  Speaker 1: the bum rap this time?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's, you know, Satan is still around
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  Speaker 3: and active.
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  Speaker 2: He's an outlaw.
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  Speaker 3: And really, I think what it comes down, and this
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  Speaker 3: is something I wrote about, and I spoke with you
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  Speaker 3: about this in my first book, Flesh Becomes Words, which
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  Speaker 3: is about the thought life.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Is, is there are thoughts and there are words. And
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  Speaker 3: thoughts are really more akin to spirits. And this is
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  Speaker 3: brought up also in Gardens in the Galaxies, where... we think, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I have my own thoughts and I have original thoughts. No,
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  Speaker 3: they're like floating around there like spirits. And then we
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  Speaker 3: decide based on wisdom, which ones we pull down. And
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  Speaker 3: we don't take a thought until we put it into words.
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  Speaker 3: So I think what happens here is that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of stuff is thrown out. We're in a hyper knowledge,
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  Speaker 3: hyper information age, right? I mean, you can't escape it.
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  Speaker 3: But what it really is, is it's, generated, it's a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of spirits and thoughts which are out there, and
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  Speaker 3: we have no, that's why we need the Word of God,
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  Speaker 3: because that is what we use to be able to
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  Speaker 3: discern between what is good and evil.
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  Speaker 2: What is a thought that I need to take?
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  Speaker 3: What is a thought that I say, hey, this is wrong,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to put it in words, because when
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  Speaker 3: I start speaking it, I'm going to be self-prophesying about.
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  Speaker 2: My life, I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: To be, i mean you see that a lot like
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  Speaker 3: people will say oh i'm i'm things are so bad
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  Speaker 3: oh wow now things are bad yeah wow so so
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  Speaker 3: i think the thing is is that when you talk
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  Speaker 3: about who is to get a bum it's always the
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  Speaker 3: devil it's always satan it he was in the form
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  Speaker 3: of a snake but now he's around.
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  Speaker 1: In thoughts oh oh Please don't move. There's more with
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  Speaker 1: Mark Springer coming up next. The name of his book,
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  Speaker 1: Garden in the Galaxies. We are back with author Mark Springer.
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  Speaker 1: You can be a believer or a non-believer, but it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a book that's going to get inside
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  Speaker 1: your mind and really kind of just give you focus
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  Speaker 1: in the way of understanding, who am I? Where am
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  Speaker 1: I going? And how is this going to reflect onto
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  Speaker 1: others that are going to be here long after I'm gone?
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  Speaker 1: Because in reality, aren't we under a lot of pressure
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  Speaker 1: right now for the future?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, because, you know, really, these are
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  Speaker 3: the last days. I mean, there's really nothing left in
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  Speaker 3: prophecy or in the Bible that has to happen before
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  Speaker 3: the rapture and the coming of the Lord again. And
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  Speaker 3: sometimes people forget, like, yeah, Jesus came once, well, he's
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  Speaker 3: coming again. But I think the thing is, is the
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  Speaker 3: we're at a point now where it's all about Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about under he's our savior in all situations.
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  Speaker 3: And I think one of the things about gardens in
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  Speaker 3: the galaxies that anyone would appreciate is I've tried to
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  Speaker 3: take that. I've made Jesus the hero made him. OK,
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  Speaker 3: he is the hero. But I brought it out as
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  Speaker 3: to how he is the one who really from the
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  Speaker 3: foundation of the world, God had planned for him to
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  Speaker 3: deliver us out of our condition.
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  Speaker 2: And and also to.
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  Speaker 3: To forgive Adam and Eve and deliver them out of
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  Speaker 3: their sin and restore them.
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  Speaker 2: And this is depicted at the end of the.
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  Speaker 3: Book where you've seen a lot about, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: saw the movie The Passion where, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: depiction of all the suffering that Jesus took.
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  Speaker 2: In the physical realm.
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  Speaker 3: But I explore the three days when he was in
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  Speaker 3: hell and how he defeated the devil down there. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think that's something that would really be of interest,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to anyone who wants to realize that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ is the true hero. We make a lot
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  Speaker 3: of movies and we're attracted to heroes. We're attracted to victory.
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  Speaker 3: We're attracted to winning. But the victory, the biggest victory
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  Speaker 3: was already achieved at the cross.
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  Speaker 1: Do you not feel like that we are living the
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  Speaker 1: days of Moses coming down that mountain and all of
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  Speaker 1: those false idols were right there? Somebody has to be
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  Speaker 1: the voice. You know what I mean by that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, he made it clear. Do not do
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  Speaker 1: not do this. And that seems to be the one
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  Speaker 1: thing that that we're missing in this world. And through
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  Speaker 1: your book, Mark, maybe what you're saying is do not
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  Speaker 1: do not be more focused.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, we're given over to sin. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's in our nature from Adam. And I think the
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  Speaker 3: thing is, is if we have an awareness that we,
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  Speaker 3: the trap people get into a lot of times is
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  Speaker 3: we try to deal with sin by our own.
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  Speaker 2: Efforts, you know, and say, well, I'm going to do better.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going to, well, that's a trap because that's
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  Speaker 3: been shown that we weren't.
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  Speaker 2: Able to do that. Adam showed that.
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  Speaker 3: Right. What we need to do is focus. What is
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  Speaker 3: going to deliver us is the Word of God right now.
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  Speaker 2: We need to renew our thinking. This is in Romans 12.
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  Speaker 2: Renew your mind. Our soul, if you're born again, your
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  Speaker 2: soul is perfect. Not your soul, I'm sorry, your spirit.
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  Speaker 2: Your spirit is totally reborn. It's just like Christ.
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  Speaker 3: But the problem is, is the mind. Our mind is
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  Speaker 3: not renewed yet. It has to be renewed from the
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  Speaker 3: Word of God so that you can see. It's about
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  Speaker 3: seeing what you have already, what you've been given. But
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  Speaker 3: the devil blinds the mind. That's what he uses all
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  Speaker 3: these things going around.
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  Speaker 2: Entertainment is distraction.
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  Speaker 3: It's distraction from the truth all this this flood of
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  Speaker 3: information is designed it's a it's a the devil's a
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  Speaker 3: deceiver it's a charade so you cannot see through what
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  Speaker 3: what jesus has given us if you've received it already
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  Speaker 3: if you've not received it you need to you need
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  Speaker 3: to you need to be born again because if you're
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  Speaker 3: not born again you where you're in the same state
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  Speaker 3: as adam and you're you're fallen and you need to
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  Speaker 3: get out of that so yeah gardens in the galaxies
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  Speaker 3: really it does tie together all these elements of like
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  Speaker 3: of Adam and it's not a very long book and
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  Speaker 3: it also has a story because it does it has
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  Speaker 3: an angel Josiah and it's a fiction and.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of using the same it's using the same type.
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  Speaker 3: Of literary device that Dickens used you know when he
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  Speaker 3: had the Christmas Carol with the Ghosts of Christmas Past
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  Speaker 3: leading well we see this Adam being led both into
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  Speaker 3: the past to see how did evil get here in
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  Speaker 3: the first place and And then he puts him in his,
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  Speaker 3: it starts out, he's in his present situation awaiting judgment.
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  Speaker 3: And then we have him lead him into the future
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  Speaker 3: that he never lived or could have lived.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: See, I was going to ask you about Josiah in
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  Speaker 1: the way of going, okay, so why are we not
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  Speaker 1: in this day of all these mega churches wearing shirts
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  Speaker 1: that have Josiah's name on it? And more importantly, why
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  Speaker 1: isn't Elevation Worship singing about Josiah? Because, I mean, Josiah
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  Speaker 1: seems to be an angel of truth.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting you say that because when you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about the gentleman you were talking to who.
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  Speaker 2: Said gardens in the galaxy, and you're like, where'd you
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  Speaker 2: get that from?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? I don't even know. I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: know where I got. I just picked that name.
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  Speaker 3: So what you just said right now, maybe something in
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  Speaker 3: there that, you know, other people in like yourself, if
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  Speaker 3: you read it, you can really benefit and discover because
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  Speaker 3: I wrote this, uh, from my spirit, not.
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  Speaker 2: From my head, you know? And so I, I'm not saying,
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  Speaker 2: and I say this in the very.
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  Speaker 3: Introduction, I'm not trying to tell people I have these
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  Speaker 3: revelations that I'm bringing down that have never been seen before. No,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to tie things together. And I do
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  Speaker 3: make this book scripturally based. And I think the key
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  Speaker 3: in this book is that I say it's a historical
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  Speaker 3: fiction book. And it's called speculative fiction where you change it.
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  Speaker 3: There's many other books like this. I mean, they take
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  Speaker 3: other historical events. You change one thing and say, what
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  Speaker 3: would happen? I think for readers of Gardens in the Galaxy,
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  Speaker 3: the one thing I would really think is a benefit
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  Speaker 3: for them to get out of it is to realize
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  Speaker 3: not so much what fiction I created in there, but
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  Speaker 3: the reality that this was a historical event, that Adam
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  Speaker 3: and Eve really existed. I believe you have to start there.
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  Speaker 3: You have to believe that we were created by God
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  Speaker 3: and And I think that's where everything started going south
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  Speaker 3: for us. I mean, the teaching of evolution, I'm just,
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  Speaker 3: it's been very damaging. It really has, people have just said, well,
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  Speaker 3: Darwin just proved that there's no God.
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  Speaker 2: Now what?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you, Mark?
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  Speaker 1: Because I love where your heart is and I want
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  Speaker 1: people to understand where you're coming from. And that's usually, well,
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  Speaker 1: through that relationship with going to the web to learn,
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  Speaker 1: to understand, to grow with, to get the book, to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: study with, to activate. So where can they start that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: journey with you, Mark?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I have a website.
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  Speaker 3: It's my last name and first name, Springer Mark, one word,
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  Speaker 3: dot net. And if you go to that website, you
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  Speaker 3: can hear it. It's not very there's not a lot
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  Speaker 3: on there, but you can see a bio of who
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  Speaker 3: I am, what I've done and all the books that
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I've written, three books.
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  Speaker 2: Gardens of the Galaxies is the latest one.
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  Speaker 3: I have a nonfiction book called Identity Theft, which I
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: believe is very good. And then the one that we
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: talked about a couple of years ago, my first novel,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Flesh Becomes Word. So you can go there, you can
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: get the books from there. And you can also, I
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: also have some of the media podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: That I've been on. So that's springermark.net. And then you
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: can go there and find out everything there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not everything, but some things about me and you
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  Speaker 3: can definitely get the books there. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to come back to this show. You know,
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  Speaker 1: for a fact that you can come back here anytime
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  Speaker 1: you want. All you got to do is just take
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that step and we will grow together, sir.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Errol. I really appreciate you having
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: me on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you be brilliant today.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: All right. You have a great day.