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Yankees checkup: Trade plans, Volpe’s future, Caballero’s pitch clock beef with MLB, Jazz’s ABS money · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Gary Phillips is here and back with us on FT
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  Speaker 1: to talk a little Yanks. Gary, We appreciate the time
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  Speaker 1: as always, it's good to see you. Let's get right
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  Speaker 1: into it with the Yanks because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: action going on, and of course you can catch you know,
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  Speaker 1: anything from Gary to in the New York Daily News
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  Speaker 1: and check out your social media platforms as well. Gary,
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  Speaker 1: let's start with trade talk Yanks. What do you see
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  Speaker 1: them talking about over the next few weeks that'll pop up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Yankees are looking for bullpen help. They
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  Speaker 2: are looking for a right handed hitting catcher.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's some talk about, oh, could they add
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  Speaker 2: to the rotation, could they maybe even upgrade at shortstop?
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  Speaker 2: With Anthony Volpi and Jose Cabalero kind of alternating at
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  Speaker 2: that position. Right now, I see their top priorities as
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  Speaker 2: the bullpen and a righty hitting catcher. Now, the catcher
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  Speaker 2: issue goes back to even last year when on how
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  Speaker 2: they were using Ben Rice and whether J. C. Scar
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  Speaker 2: was up on the major league roster. They've had two
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  Speaker 2: to three left handed hitting catchers on the roster for
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  Speaker 2: two years now, and the problem is none of their
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  Speaker 2: lefties are hitting Rice is not part of that equation anymore,
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  Speaker 2: or at least not at the moment. He's obviously hitting
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  Speaker 2: pretty well but not doing any catching work since he
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  Speaker 2: had the palm injury a couple of weeks ago. So
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  Speaker 2: they're going to want to bring in a righty somebody
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  Speaker 2: who could at the very least platoon. Right now, they
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  Speaker 2: have Ali Sanchez up from the miners, but he's not
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  Speaker 2: a guy that has a lot of track record of
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  Speaker 2: success in the big leagues. So I would expect them
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  Speaker 2: to look at somebody like Ryan Jeffers if he comes
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  Speaker 2: back from Minnesota and is healthy. I know Adlie Rutchan's
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  Speaker 2: name has been floated around there as well. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure I see him necessarily as a guy who's as
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  Speaker 2: likely to be traded after that. There's not a ton
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  Speaker 2: of good right handed hitting catchers out there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they might be looking at more of a backup or
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  Speaker 2: a platoon type player, somebody like Houston's christ and Vasquez,
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  Speaker 2: So be on the lookout for that, Be on the
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  Speaker 2: lookout for bullpen help. You know, they've got a couple
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  Speaker 2: internal options, notably Carlos Lagreney, who you know they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: probably try to test out at the major league level
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  Speaker 2: in the bullpen first before the trade deadline. See if
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  Speaker 2: that's something that they could solve internally. But those are
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  Speaker 2: gonna be their biggest needs and areas to improve upon
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  Speaker 2: before the deadline.
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  Speaker 4: Gary, is it true that because we've had so much
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  Speaker 4: good White Sox talk, they brought you on just because
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  Speaker 4: the Yankees beat the White Sox last night?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you mentioned that I wasn't very
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  Speaker 2: impressed with the White Sox last night. I had heard
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  Speaker 2: they I had heard they'd.
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  Speaker 3: Been a lot. Oh my gosh, I heard they were good.
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  Speaker 4: Tonight is the revenge of the revenge game against Garrett Cole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the standings, I know they're top the
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  Speaker 2: central I was looking forward to seeing, you know, some
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  Speaker 2: better play from the White Sox than I've become accustomed
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  Speaker 2: to in years past, but did not happen last night.
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  Speaker 3: Game five, Game five, That's all I'm gonna say.
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  Speaker 4: Game five, really give fifth inning.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, wow, I don't know about the words.
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  Speaker 4: I've been to the playoffs so long I forgot so so
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  Speaker 4: you're saying they only need a right handed hitting catcher.
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  Speaker 4: What does that mean for Austin Wells, because Austin Wells
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  Speaker 4: was thought to be the future and he's I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's been up and down depending on who you ask, right,
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  Speaker 4: But does that mean that they're looking for someone to
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  Speaker 4: take his place long term or is this just a
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  Speaker 4: short term solution. Do they get through the offseason and
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  Speaker 4: then figure things out again?
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  Speaker 2: I think it depends on the caliber of the type
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  Speaker 2: of catcher that they could bring in. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're bringing in somebody like Jeffers, then you know you're
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  Speaker 2: probably giving up a lot for him. He's an impending
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  Speaker 2: free agent as well, so are you going to invest
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  Speaker 2: in him in the offseason. He's a guy who probably
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  Speaker 2: should be starting every day or more often than not.
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  Speaker 2: If you're only bringing in a platoon type of player,
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  Speaker 2: I think that probably bodes well for Wells as far
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  Speaker 2: as hanging onto the bulk of the playing time. You know,
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  Speaker 2: something Brian Cashman said in the past is that he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really like onboarding starting caliber catchers in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the season because that could be detrimental to a
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  Speaker 2: pitching staff. And the Yankees still love what Wells does
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  Speaker 2: behind the plate. Their pitching staff loves what he does
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  Speaker 2: behind the plate. He's always being praised for his game, calling,
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  Speaker 2: his preparation, things like that, so I would be somewhat
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  Speaker 2: surprised if some a new catcher supplanted him as the
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  Speaker 2: full time starter. I do think you need to have
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  Speaker 2: an alternative though, From the right side.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, they're just going to look down the
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  Speaker 4: list of who receives the best, because that's all they
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  Speaker 4: really care about. Behind the dishes, a team fans care
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  Speaker 4: about Austin Wells hitting one to eighty the team. The
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  Speaker 4: organization loves him because he receives well, and so does
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  Speaker 4: a Scara so off the catching position to the bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody thinks Brian Cashman's this like megamover at the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 4: He rarely makes mega moves. Last year was his largest,
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  Speaker 4: bringing in bringing in two relievers that had more long
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  Speaker 4: term hope in Bednar and Deval. Did he miss on
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  Speaker 4: those trades and is he gonna have to try to
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  Speaker 4: take another swing at mega relief core additions.
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  Speaker 2: I think he'll probably have to bring in at least
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  Speaker 2: one established arm prior to the trade deadline. Now you
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  Speaker 2: look back at last year's deadline. I would say David
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  Speaker 2: Bednard has been a success in pinstripes. He's had some
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  Speaker 2: rocky moments, and you know he likes to work in
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  Speaker 2: and out of traffic. He's been really good since he
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  Speaker 2: stopped relying on his curve ball so much over the
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  Speaker 2: last few weeks. Dvall, I don't see how you really
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  Speaker 2: trust him in a high leverage situation other than out
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  Speaker 2: of just default and absolute need. Because of the state
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  Speaker 2: of the Yankees bullpen right now. You know you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: two guys, but there is also Jake Bird. He hasn't
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  Speaker 2: panned out and been what the Yankees expected him to be.
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  Speaker 2: I know his metrics are really strong, but the results
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  Speaker 2: are obviously not there. So I think you're probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: see them bring in one or two more high leverage
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  Speaker 2: established guys. I think they want to see what Legron
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  Speaker 2: Hay can be. You know, can he throw strikes and
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  Speaker 2: avoid enough walks while seeing an uptick in his electric
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  Speaker 2: stuff out of the bullpen? In their perfect world. The
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  Speaker 2: answer to that is yes. You know, I also think
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  Speaker 2: they're looking down the line if the rest of their
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  Speaker 2: rotation can stay healthy and Max Freed can come back
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  Speaker 2: relatively soon. He just started throwing the bullpens this past week.
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  Speaker 2: If he can come back and the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: rotation is healthy, well, then you can slot Will Warren
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  Speaker 2: or Ryan Weathers into the bullpen and you know, they
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  Speaker 2: can provide a little bit of length with quality stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and they would be upgrades over somebody like Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: Yarborough or Paul Blackburn.
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  Speaker 2: Now you could even look at Clark Schmidt down the road.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that might not be until late August early September,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a guy that has bullpen experience and would
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  Speaker 2: be able to provide length and quality stuff out of
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  Speaker 2: the pen. So I think their hope is that he'll
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  Speaker 2: be able to address this more internally this summer. That said,
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  Speaker 2: I still think they would benefit from bringing in an
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  Speaker 2: outside arm.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense, all right.
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  Speaker 4: One guy I got to ask about because he cannot
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  Speaker 4: do a Yankees interview without asking about him. He's the
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  Speaker 4: short stuff. He's Anthony Volpe. He's right in line with
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  Speaker 4: his career. He's got a six sixty two ops, which
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  Speaker 4: is right pretty much his entire career. Is he the
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  Speaker 4: long term solution still for the Yankees, or the Yankees
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  Speaker 4: value him higher than any other team does?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Right, now he doesn't even appear to be the guaranteed
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  Speaker 2: everyday solutions. I mean, it's been it's been kind of
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how Aaron Boone has gone back and
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  Speaker 2: forth between Volpi and Jose Cabbaliro since Kybaliro came off
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  Speaker 2: the IL with the fractured finger. Obviously there's some other
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  Speaker 2: factors here, you know, a couple outfielders, including Aaron Judge,
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  Speaker 2: going on the IL creates some openings for Kybaliro to
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  Speaker 2: play right field. Now he could also play third base,
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  Speaker 2: he could play second base when the Yankees are facing lefties.
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  Speaker 2: But he was playing the best shortstop in baseball prior
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  Speaker 2: to getting hurt. And now Volpi has more or less
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  Speaker 2: gotten the bulk of those starts since he's since he's
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  Speaker 2: been recalled, and since Kybaliro has been back off the IL.
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily understand it. Like you said, the offensive
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  Speaker 2: production is not there from Volpi. I know the Yankees
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  Speaker 2: have publicly said they've been really happy with Volpi's defense
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  Speaker 2: after it was pretty poor last season. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: been a handful of plays that have not been good.
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  Speaker 2: That's not to say there haven't been some web gyms
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  Speaker 2: as well. Right but like he's messed up on a
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  Speaker 2: couple of routine plays, some weak throws. Now he certainly
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have as strong an armis as kyby Row. So
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting how they've handled this and how I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: they'll continue to handle it, just because they always do
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  Speaker 2: seem to defer to Volpi. I can't really explain it
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  Speaker 2: at this point, but that's that's basically the situation right now.
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  Speaker 3: Are they putting the best team out there?
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  Speaker 4: Because you said, you said Cabiiro is very versatile, but
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  Speaker 4: is that loss? Do you think or have you heard,
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  Speaker 4: is the organization hoping maybe Vulpi could be versatile? Like
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  Speaker 4: do you ever see him taking balls in right field
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  Speaker 4: with Judge out? And Kybrier started there last night?
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  Speaker 2: Not right field. He has started working at second base
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  Speaker 2: and you'll see him take some grounders there before games
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  Speaker 2: that you know he's that's something he started doing when
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: Coby did come back. He hasn't played there in a
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  Speaker 2: game yet. And whenever we ask Boom now in the
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  Speaker 2: week since is this something that's still in play, he says, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's still working there. But also kyby Erro's versatility becomes
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  Speaker 2: Volpi's versatility which maybe if you were, like, if there
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  Speaker 2: was a need to get both of those guys in
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  Speaker 2: the lineup, would make some sense and you'd want them
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  Speaker 2: both from the lineup. But Volpi's also not doing anything
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  Speaker 2: offensively to warrant being in the lineup. So it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of always been the same song and dance with how
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees treat Volpi and go about his playing time. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it looked as if maybe that was going to change
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  Speaker 2: when Cabiro came off the il, but Phobia is still
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  Speaker 2: getting the bulk of the starts at short.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I completely forgot what I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Caballera Cabrera in the pitchclock situation, was that ever
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  Speaker 4: explained resolved? Why would he get a warning for following
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  Speaker 4: the rules just because it annoyed the Blue Jays?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So the way Boone was kind of explaining it was
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  Speaker 2: so the rule says you have to be alert right
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  Speaker 2: at eight seconds, and in cabal Arrow's mind, he is
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  Speaker 2: following this to a t and he's looking up at
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  Speaker 2: eight seconds. An interpretation of that, which is perhaps what
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  Speaker 2: happened the other day on Sunday, is that the process
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  Speaker 2: of lifting your head and looking up at eight is
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  Speaker 2: not equivalent to being alert at eight, So you can
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: argue that's semantics, that's nitpicky. It is what it is
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  Speaker 2: like whatever Boone's explanation was basically like he needs to
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  Speaker 2: be alert, and maybe certain umpires are going to have
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  Speaker 2: different interpretations of that. I think the simple solution here
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  Speaker 2: is just making sure your eyes are up at nine
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  Speaker 2: or ten seconds instead of eight, and there's no confusion whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: But kybro is also obviously doing this to try to
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  Speaker 2: get under Pitcher's skin and try to use the clock
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  Speaker 2: to his advantage, So he does want to milk the
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  Speaker 2: clock for every last possible second. Does it get to
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  Speaker 2: the point where it becomes, you know, an everyday conversation
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  Speaker 2: which with an umpire, which is kind of what it's
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  Speaker 2: been all season?
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  Speaker 4: Gary, What about Paul gold Schman, I know he's found
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  Speaker 4: his power. All of a sudden, did he lose his power?
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  Speaker 4: Did it disappear? I know it went down for a
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  Speaker 4: little while, But he's found it. He's hitting right, he's again,
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  Speaker 4: which he obviously had done for a long time before
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  Speaker 4: the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he only hit ten homers last year, his
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  Speaker 2: first season the Yankees he's at ten home runs already
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 3: I actually asked Paul.
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  Speaker 2: In Toronto, did you do anything over the off season
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  Speaker 2: that would explain the uptick and power, anything different with
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  Speaker 2: your mechanics, your preparation, the way you take care of
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  Speaker 2: your body, anything. He was like, no, not really, so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he was saying basically like he just feels
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  Speaker 2: good and like his timing has been strong. He is
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: hitting the ball out in front a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a some small deviations in his stance compared
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  Speaker 2: to last year if you look at that stuff on
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  Speaker 2: Baseball Savant. But he said, none of it is conscious,
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  Speaker 2: none of it's intentional. It's more just, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: this analytical stuff and these metrics are a byproduct of
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  Speaker 2: him just feeling good at the plate and having good
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  Speaker 2: at beats. I think it's interesting, you know. I kind
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  Speaker 2: of went into it figuring like, Okay, he's thirty eight,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't just find your slug again at that age.
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  Speaker 2: Surely something must be different. I asked him, you know,
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: three four different ways, and he was just like, no,
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  Speaker 2: wish I had something to explain it for you.
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  Speaker 2: We've asked Boone about it a couple of times. He
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• 15:22
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  Speaker 2: an entire ball is in the strike zone and the
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• 15:52
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  Speaker 2: money into that pot.
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  Speaker 3: But he'll still challenging exactly. That's why he doesn't mind.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it's going to a good cost. Gary, good stuff, man.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Great to have you on. Thanks for swinging by, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: yeah for everyone else following all the socials, check out
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the articles in the New York Daily News. Thank you Gary.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: The White Sox are coming tonight, Gary, watch out the
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: revenge for the Revenge game.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Keeping my eye out.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, thanks guys, let's uh, let's keep it
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: here for a moment. I wanted to get your reaction
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: because we brought this up in yesterday's show. But then
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: there was an update before the Yankees White TX game.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: The league actually called the Yankees and said, hey, here's
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the deal. Batter's got to be alert and engaged with
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the picture. When the pitch clock strikes eight seconds, They're like, yeah,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I mean he's doing that to me. They were kind
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: of inferring that he's like looking up at the eight
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: seconds versus kind of settling into the eight seconds, which
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: gets very very ticky tacky with how the rule is.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And then Caballero was pissed and it sounds like rightfully,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: So he said there were a lot of quotes from
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: him yesterday, HESHNEI clarification on it. Regardless of what the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: rule will be, I will wait until eight or nine
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: seconds to be alert. I'm not going to give my
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: app bat to the picture to determine if he's going
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to control my timing or not. I'm going to wait
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: all the way until my time. And he said, you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: he's not going to let you know pitchers freeze him
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: or a runner, like it's just part of his routine now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: And he feels like the league is, according to him,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: changing things every day. He was like, I'm getting different
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: interpretations every day. And he said, once the clock goes
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: down to thirteen, I do my routine. I put my
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: head up at eight, and now that's an issue. I
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: don't get it. So there was some complaining from him
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and is it rightfully.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and then I love what will venable? So
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: he goes it's a tactic. It's a good tactic, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: it's in our advanced meeting, So tell your pictures. He's
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: going to look up at eight seconds, so don't plan
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: anything until there's eight seconds on the clock.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So I listen.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I thought he was doing everything right out and have
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: a problem with this. You know, sometimes people don't like
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: things when they don't go their way.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And but it sounds like this isn't over because the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: league called and said, no, he needs to be not
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it needs to be like you're here now at eight seconds,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: not Zoolander, look up eight second.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: That's the rule.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: The rule is you have to engage at eight seconds.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: So now we change the rules.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Just like the whole Just like the whole ABS people
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: were like, oh, well we should have a little buffer zone. Okay,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: well then you're just expanding the zone like it's black
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: or white, it's eight seconds or it's not. An umpire
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: can't say, well, actually, you have to be engaged. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: what engaged means is what if he looks up and
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: he has his eyes closed, like is that engaged?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Like I forget who was big jacked pitcher for the Yankees.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Uh Ian No, I forget who was. He never would
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: engage with the with the batter because he had the
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: pitch colm on and so he would have his head
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: down like this and he would say yes with his
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: head down and he would never make eye contacts.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: So they were I forget what his name was.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Kind of injured guy, kind of short arm Ian Hamilton,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Ian Hamilton.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Isn't he a driver? No noise? Ian Hamilton.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's losing in Hamiltons Hamilton.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: He dates Kim Kardashian Lewis Hamilton, No, I think I
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: think it was.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I Ian was on the Yanks the last like four
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: years before this year. Now, you know, I think he's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: been hurt for the most part but this year, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he pitched a lot for the Anks last few years.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's who you're talking about.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, and so I think there's there's different mechanics to it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: But to take it away from a player that has
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: made it successful, I think is it's nitpicking. And I
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: feel like the umpire overstepped it, overstepped his line there.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: But it's not just the yump That's my point is
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it's also MLB now that has gotten involved and said hey,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: they didn't call and say hey, you're good. They called
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and said, hey, here's how we're interpreting it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Remember, because they so does he have to do it
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: at ten seconds? Like you have to like it has
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: to be black and white in my opinion, Then they're
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: going to say it has to be at eleven, right,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: So that's so, that's so dumb.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: O comment.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I hope he continues to do what he does and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: then we see how this plays out.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah you do you Jose, We like it to continue
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: with the double EyeBlack too.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I can't pull that off, but he can't. Yeah, you go, hey, man,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: there's no listen.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: If you're gonna say you do what you do, then
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: don't came out at the double eyeblacks in the dome too.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Royce Lewis had the double eye black with the white
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: eye black. Wait what's the white I? And then another
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: black in the dome in Texas. Last night they worked.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: They scored a lot of runs. So choch keys, chach.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Keys, gimmicks, whatever you want to call them. I love them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Look good, feel good, play good, it doesn't matter.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And then if you play good the next day I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: don't care where you're playing. You could be playing on
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the moon. You're doing that right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Royce loss in the bushes no long ago. He's back
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: in the big leagues. If he gets some hits, he's
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: gonna be wearing it. He might be wearing no, he
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: might be wearing eye black with places.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: You can't see.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: You keeps getting that's right, whatever works.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I know one thing that he doesn't do to get hit.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't on that show.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That okay,