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Talks to Ken Moss about his choice of Robot (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a plump. Pen might be doing quicker,
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  quicker. Welcome back to Hamster With a
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  Blump Pen Life, the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  Hello, Ken. Hello, Joe.
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  How are you doing today? Tired and emotional.
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  It's been a hell of a day at work.
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  I'm already on the gin. Tired and emotional, I thought.
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  That was after two episodes of flirting with me and watching
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  that robot lumbering about. Well, yes.
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  And you eulogizing about what you do to Christian Schmidt.
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  Oh, well, yeah. Jesus Christ.
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  Yeah, I forgotten I said that. Thank you very much.
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  This just planted the seed. I did one commentary right time
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  in the Rani, which was always going to be a bit of a riot.
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  Yeah. I did it with this lovely fella.
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  Matt Markel used to work on Doctor Who Magazine.
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  And he also drinks from the fountain of you because he's
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  he's nearly fifty and he looks about 20 okay.
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  He looks like a twink and he comes on by the end of episode
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  one of Tom and Lorane yeah we're making jokes he's he's ruming me
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  he's got his finger up me off there's all sorts go and oh fuck
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  can I put this out you know. So I thought this is my litmus
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  how far can I go and I put it out and.
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  I think I lost a couple of people listening and that's
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  still one of my highest rated ever.
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  So that's some people's go to and listen that one, there's
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  very few things that we've decided no, we've gone too far
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  there. We did get one complaint though
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  from and now you've heard one or two of our podcasts, so you know
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  the form here, but we got a complaint letter that I, as the
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  entitled white man, can say whatever I like and the
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  hectoring Dr. will just let me get away with it without
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  checking me. Are we listening to the same
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  podcast? Because Simon bollocks me all
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  the time for everything I say and he has no filter.
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  You hector each other. That is absolutely part of the
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  when when some of our best mates come on here, God, maybe we rip
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  each other the whole way through the joy of it.
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  Although do you know what? You know I can't be a Smussy git
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  really. I can, yes.
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  And I acknowledge that. You know what?
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  It raises a smile. It's making people's days that
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  you know, take a lookout the window like it's bloody
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  miserable out there, socially, politically, in any way you want
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  to look at it. If you can make someone raise a
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  smile by being a little bit rude, well, I'm there for it.
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  I know, I entirely agree. But some of the dullest podcasts
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  that I've listened to, and they are always men.
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  They're either single men ranting about something if
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  you're off mate. Nope, not interested in your
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  views. There's just relentlessly
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  negative. Or, which is worse in many ways,
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  two people who are fans of something relentlessly gushing.
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  No, I want bitching and pulling apart and we love this thing,
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  but look at how shit that tire is on that car.
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  Or something ridiculous. Unfortunately, we're watching in
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  robots, so we're gonna have no trouble with that.
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  So, Oh yes, we're up to episode 3 today.
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  Well, look, shall we skip in and see what it has to offer?
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  Because I think this is where the robot grows to monstrous
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  proportions. We've all been there.
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  Stand back low, I don't know big this thing gets.
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  For once, Ken, I don't think we're going to need the Doctor.
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  Of course it's the Brigadiers. Well, go on.
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  You count as in them 321 rub me. Afterwards.
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  All right. I can never figure out what that
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  effect is. You know that initial effect
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  going down the time tunnel? Well, the slit scan, basically
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  cling film and ink shot in such a way that it all smears out.
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  It's a really, it's well worth watching.
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  I can't remember which of the Blu rays it's on, but it shows
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  you how they made it. And it's brilliant because I I
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  genuinely thought for years that it was some sort of kaleidoscope
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  tunnel effect they filmed down. Nothing of the kind.
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  But if I'm saying you know in. 2023 How the hell did they do
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  that? They did something right there.
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  Well, any number of people are trying to recreate it with CGI
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  as fan videos on YouTube and it should look polished AF and it
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  doesn't. It looks cheap.
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  Do you think that because this reprise is so long, this episode
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  might have been under running a little bit?
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  I mean we've gone back 5 minutes into the last episode.
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  I'm going to say you can always tell when the episodes were
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  under running a bit because that was one of Jonathan Turner's big
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  beefs with the 45 minute format, because he said you lose a title
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  sequence and an end credit sequence and two cliffhangers.
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  That's a lot of material. Yeah.
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  Oh, that's why you changed it to 45 minutes.
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  So. So you were?
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  No. They wanted him to make the same
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  progress with the same money. And he said, hang on a minute,
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  You're getting a good 10 minutes extra per story.
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  For free, yeah? Yeah, yeah.
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  Because we've no reprise, No title sequences.
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  Two of those are gone. Although it did.
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  It did. Spare us of two cliffhangers
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  with Colin Baker going No, Yeah, stop now.
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  You're overdoing that one. And the camera shooting up his
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  nose. Oh good.
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  How many crash Zooms were in Trial of a Time Lord?
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  They redefined the crash zoom in Trial Lord.
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  Nobody did it finer. I didn't realize how overblown
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  the cliffhangers to whispers of terror were until you did it on
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  your pod. They really are overblown.
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  Oh, it's when he's going. You're destroying my mind,
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  Perry. Oh my God, who's Sarah Jane?
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  Come as now she's got like a flapper girl.
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  Yes, or bandana around her head. She's Amelia Duka.
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  Now you're talking, Ken. Consider me available for any
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  future assignments. Why they call it operation?
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  Nut house. Of What Car, actually, But
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  there's another one with a great understated joke.
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  The car is a material. I love her so much.
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  Any Batty old woman, something. Don't.
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  Do you remember that woman from the image of the Fendile?
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  You know, the sort of psychic woman, the old mother.
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  Don't go. Call me Grandma.
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  This is a. Man of all, isn't it?
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  Mrs. Pooh, Mrs. Pooh, yes. So I've watched that recently.
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  You know, I love that when I was younger.
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  Now I just see a load of lovely upper class snobs being terribly
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  patronizing to everyone. It's probably those things I
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  probably hate because, you know, I'm sure you've done it as well.
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  Where you see a DVD boxer and you think I used to enjoy that
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  when I was a kid. I'll buy that.
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  I'll love it. Yes.
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  Brilliant. And then you watch one and you
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  think now I don't think I'll watch the rest.
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  And it sits on your shelf, unloved forever.
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  Yeah, I did that with sliders. When I was a kid.
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  I used to wear sliders, and I watched it again as an adult.
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  I couldn't even get through a single episode.
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  It was really terrible. Do you know this robot
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  staggering about all over here? Yeah.
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  Paul Michael Kilgariff having to lumber about in that suit.
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  If he'd gone over in that thing, he I think he would have done
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  himself a proper mischief. Ken, if you met many Doctor Who
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  alumni, any actors? Oh yeah, loads, yeah.
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  Because I think Sergeant Benton, yes, I did.
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  I met him in Newcastle a few years ago and he's a very
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  interesting man, Bought a lovely man.
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  He was utterly charming, I've got to say.
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  And we had a good hour with him in the bar, and he was regaling
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  us with all these stories because I asked him about
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  recording with Big Finish, because I think he did one
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  Council of War, I think it was. And then he had such a bad
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  experience, he refused to do it again.
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  And they had, they really had to coax him back.
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  It all boiled down to something really silly, like the studios
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  they recorded that were really grubby.
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  He had to walk down a grubby back alley to get to the doors
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  again, which is what all studios are like.
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  And all theaters, they're all really grubby behind.
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  It's only when you get into the places they're vaguely clean.
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  It sounded really odd, but he was a nice guy and he bought us
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  a drink and he chatted and it was just nice listening to this
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  rack on. So he's quite self deprecating.
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  I'm guessing your experience is slightly different.
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  I've never met him, but what I do tend to do, you know, as I
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  said, you are like my 70 of guests on this now is whenever
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  he's on the screen, I will ask my guests, you know, have you
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  met John Levine? Because the spectrum of stories
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  that I've heard from everybody that's met him is gone from.
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  Like, you just sat there, very charming to saying some people
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  felt absolutely terrified in his presence to one person told me
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  he started ranting on about a paedophile network that he was
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  involved with. He was going to track them all
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  down and kill them. I was like, oh, he sounds like
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  an interesting bloke. Yeah, that blue text still
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  untarded. It's messing with my head.
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  Get rid of it. Okay.
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  Right. Doctor Who?
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  Dinner. Guess you've got 4.
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  Oh yes, now you are talking. OK, well, I'll have William
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  Hartnell there because I don't think we know too much about him
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  behind the scenes. I really, obviously he really
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  was a grumpy old bugger because some people say he was utterly
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  charming. So William Hartnell for one.
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  Terence Dix because talk about a rack on tour.
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  I've seen him in a convention and he can spin a yawn.
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  He says to Barry that Bowie. Now look, never let the truth
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  get in the way of a good story. He can see me on.
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  Um, who else? Who else?
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  Any Russell T Davis? Oh yeah.
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  I'd quite like to get to know who he is behind the
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  everything's marvelous facade that he puts on, because when
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  you read that book of his the the emails.
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  But with Benjamin Benjamin, I wonder how much was trimmed out
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  and sanitized for that book. Because I know.
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  Bloody yeah, that was sanitized. It kind of a fascinating peek
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  into the mind of a writer through the lens of psychosis.
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  And the 4th one would be, is that tough question, you know,
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  Yeah, I'm just, I've asked the question.
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  I can't answer it myself. I'm having to think.
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  OK, I'm going to throw John Levine in as well, just because.
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  A dinner party featuring William Hartnell and John Levine.
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  For that, you know, a treat. There's a great story in Jessica
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  Carney's book about William Hartnell.
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  At his cottage they're having lamb for dinner and he says
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  there's no mint sauce. So he goes out into the garden
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  and chops some mint and goes into the kitchen furiously
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  making mint sauce from scratch to the point where when he gets
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  back, his dinner's stone cold just to prove a point.
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  Yeah, I could. But you like the yeah, there's
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  also stories as well about him like telling off Caroline Ford
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  and being really roots were and then sending out like, you know,
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  luxurious bouquets of flower. It was to apologize.
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  I think there was both sides to it, you know.
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  Oh, like the right to everyone. Because I oh God, when I blow I
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  can be a real Moody bastard. You don't want to see me behind
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  the wheel. I'm horrible behind the wheel.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm all I'm.
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  All of you and you are charm personified.
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  You haven't seen me in a supermarket stuck behind an old
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  woman on a Saturday morning, screaming at her that she's had
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  all week to go and burn fucking cat food.
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  I work in a supermarket all right, so I have seen a similar
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  sort of just go home. It's not a day out for me.
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  Who would I have? You see, I want to say Tom
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  Baker, but he would dominate the entire thing, so probably not.
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  No one else would get a word in with that.
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  No. You see Colin Baker for another.
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  He's enormously entertaining to listen to when he he's on stage
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  and talking. Who else?
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  I'm going to have to think about this.
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  I've painted myself into a corner asking a question I can't
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  answer myself, which is very bad form.
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  I come back to this at the end, at the end of the commentary.
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  And then maybe. Oh, hang on.
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  Look, we are going full nursing now.
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  She's got a she's even gonna let.
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  Supposed to be a rally, isn't it?
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  But there's only about 12 people there and they've all come
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  dressed as a snooker table. I love this in classic Who like
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  hidden in plain sight. You know, nobody can see them.
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  Her hair is going crazy there, isn't it?
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  That is a hell of a speech. Sure, someone of The Muppets.
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  This is where they revealed that Professor Kettlewell was a
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  villain all along, as if we were in any doubt.
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  I don't know though, Maybe that sort of bumbling, buffoon
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  performance he's given? Maybe.
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  Maybe the kids will be fooled. He isn't someone you'd like to
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  have in a room reading stories to children though, is he?
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  No, definitely not. There's even a stuffed dove in
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  his pocket. He does.
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  Yes, he does. I think it's the first time he
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  uses the scarf as well. Swipes the man off the floor.
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  Yeah, here we go. I do love this, This the idea
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  that this is this is so Doctor Who, isn't it?
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  The economy of this Nazi rally inside a, you know, church hall.
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  How are this punch going to take over the world?
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  Oh, look at him, rubbing the back of his head because he
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  slipped on a scarf and not hit his head.
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  What's always amused me in programs like this, particularly
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  this era there, there's that listless chop to the back of the
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  neck that renders them unconscious.
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  How? Barry Let says.
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  The characters and Doctor Who have very weak necks.
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  Oh, somewhere, I do have unreleased interviews that I
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  recorded at conventions. I've got at least one with
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  tearing sticks and one with Barry.
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  Let's I've got one somewhere with Mary Tam and they are going
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  to make it onto excellence at some point.
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  Absolute gold. Yeah.
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  I had one with Elizabeth Clayden and I offered it to Doctor Who
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  Magazine before I put it in the pod, and they never got back to
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  me. And you think surely, surely
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  that's something it's not something you can replicate.
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  Yeah, that's crazy. It's Terry Walsham there.
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  Yeah, I think that's him on the right there.
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  Whoever he's playing, that character's in trouble.
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  He's going to fall off a ladder or go for a window.
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  The stunt in Is it Terror of the Autumns where that autumn goes
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  head over heels down a quarry slope or something?
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  That's a hell of a fall. That's Terry Walsh and he was
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  deterred. He wanted to do it himself.
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  He said I'm not bothered about the bloody money.
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  I just want to have a go at it. And he think he's that he caught
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  that up. There would have been arms and
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  legs everywhere. It does go to show as well and I
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  think Barrett's a pretty good director, but.
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  That his instincts weren't always right because he goes,
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  oh, you know, I really wish, you know, we'd taken some time to
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  watch him getting up. No, the fact that he gets up
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  straight away and starts walking up that hill again is what makes
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  that moment scary. You know, he's had that terrible
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  fall, and then he's up and coming after you again.
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  Oh, watch this bit now as Jellico helps him down the
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  stairs. It's supposed to be the most
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  terrifying force in the universe, this robot that he
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  needs a little help down the stairs.
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  Does it matter though? I want to ask you that.
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  Does it matter that this is a bit clunky to me and you?
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  No. But we have to watch it through
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  Pew Pew. We have to watch it through, not
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  we eyes. And yeah, it's a bit hulky some
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  of this. I've stopped doing that, I
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  think. I think when I was a kid I was
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  always watching through not we eyes and just agonized by so
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  much of it. Because, you know, they didn't
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  have the money and half the time they didn't have the talent
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  involved to realize it in a spectacular way, as I would like
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  it to be. I think I got to a point when I
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  was about 30 or I was like, well, you know, it looks cheap,
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  but let's just embrace it. I still wouldn't have it on,
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  though. I don't think I wouldn't have it
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  on, you know, with my family around.
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  Yeah, watch this classic piece of tea.
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  Even my all time classic favorite caves of Andrazani.
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  You've got that big plastic dragon in it and.
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  Say your favorite. Your all time favorite?
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  Oh yeah, from classic Who Caves Andrazani.
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  Yes. What about?
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  Do you remember the episode of Only Fools and Horses where Dell
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  Boy has that enormous mobile phone?
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  Yes. You see the Brigadier right now
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  with the largest Army radio in history on the day of recording
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  It is 50 years to the day today since the very first mobile
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  phone call, and it was from one engineer to another to gloat,
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  that he had invented the mobile phone and got it working and the
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  other one hadn't. I'm full of that sort of shit.
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  Honestly, I'm here for it. 50 years.
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  Did you say 50 years to the day? Yes, 3rd of April 2023.
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  He would to commemorate that. I'm just gonna call you right
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  now that way where we are not while Tom Baker's got a
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  telescope in his hand leaning out of Bessie.
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  This was all filmed. It's called Wood Naughton, isn't
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  it? It's like a training ground.
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  I think it's where they filmed a lot of spirit and space as well.
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  Oh, did they? Yeah, I think so.
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  Yeah. You know, you know, they were
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  told they couldn't have the studio.
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  So Derek Sherman was like, right, come on, give me a single
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  camera. I'm off to Wood Norton.
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  We're going to shoot the lot. Oh, don't you love the
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  oldfashioned massive countdowns for the bombs?
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  They weren't fucking about with black and white.
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  We're going to have blue and green.
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  And I love, you know, sort of the forward thinking spinning
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  tape technology that is in all of these 70s science fiction
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  programs. But imagine how messed up that
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  countdown clock would be in Chroma Key.
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  That's not hardware on display here though, isn't it?
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  They just like playing with the massive weapons.
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  Well, these big guns, right? And Jeeps and all that.
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  And you're thinking, wow, there's a bit of money here.
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  And then that toy tank turns up in a second.
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  I don't remember the toy tank being that bad, but I'm looking
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  forward to seeing this. Oh, you.
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  Well, the funniest thing is, you know, they do these behind the
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  sofas, these sort of gold box special features on the Blu
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  Rays. You've got Janet Fielden and
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  Peter Davidson and all that, watching this story.
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  And they're all going, Oh my God, they managed to afford a
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  tank in this. I'm like, oh, come on, like,
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  don't over egg the pudding there, sweetheart.
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  You'll never. Reach those.
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  Have you met Janet Fielding? No, I have.
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  I've seen her at a Comm, but I've not actually spoken to her
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  a matter. She's an absolute riot.
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  I bet she is as well. I don't think there's any real
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  difference between her and Tegan on screen.
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  You know, did you see that there a second ago?
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  That extreme close up where Miss Winters was being spectacularly
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  evil on the phone? That's great.
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  We've lost in today's television.
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  What do you reckon to this? And the whole Sarah Jane?
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  What sort of fayre, isn't it? It's King Kong, that's what
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  it's. I swear that's what it's
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  supposed to be. Boy, that was a Big Bang.
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  Jesus, is there anything left of that tower laughing?
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  So as you remember in episode 4, when the robot picks up the
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  Dolly that's supposed to be Sarah Jane.
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  I'm afraid I do. Yes, it's all flooding back now.
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  Preemptively. There you go.
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  He's causing a ton of explosions there.
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  That's the Paul Baker I remember.
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  That sonic's got no lid on it. It's the War Doctor, Sonic.
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  I don't know the ward off tram in a Sonic, did he?
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  It was like the 4th Doctor Sonic without the bulb on the end
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  because he was not paying enough attention that day of the
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  Doctor. Day the Doctor is outright hands
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  out. You see no bulb on the end.
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  It's just got a little. He's put the bulb on the end.
• 21:05
  Cut out the lock for you. It shouldn't take.
• 21:09
  He's cutting through. Go on.
• 21:11
  Day of The Doctor is out and out.
• 21:12
  My favorite. My all time favorite knew who
• 21:15
  still never been bettered for me.
• 21:17
  So what? Classic caves.
• 21:19
  New day, OK. Yourself.
• 21:23
  Oh come on, that is such a tough issue.
• 21:25
  Answer classic. You're going to think I'm mad,
• 21:29
  but remember, horses courses. Maybe the war games.
• 21:34
  I love the war. You fucking joking.
• 21:38
  Now I'm serious. I love it.
• 21:40
  And new See we are basically. You're insulting me already.
• 21:49
  And then knew who? You're gonna think I'm even more
• 21:51
  mad. I think my favorite episode of
• 21:52
  Knew Who might be Turn Left from series 40.
• 21:56
  I can see that. I can see why it's a very it's
• 21:59
  unusual and it's quite clever as well and it's got some good
• 22:02
  lines on it. He blows up bloody London going.
• 22:05
  Back inside Vera Duckworth and Feed Whip.
• 22:15
  Oh that the robot is is all stomping off now with his That's
• 22:19
  the Disintegrator gun. This is what we've been leading
• 22:21
  up to throughout this entire thing is the components and the
• 22:25
  plans for this amazing weapon that the robot's got.
• 22:28
  Now what does it do? It disintegrates people.
• 22:31
  Just what it says on the 10. OK, fine.
• 22:35
  Then you tell me why. When the Brigadier Nicks the
• 22:39
  disintegrator gun off the robot and uses it on the robot, it
• 22:43
  doesn't disintegrate. It grows.
• 22:45
  It reverses the polarity. You're just making this up.
• 22:51
  Aren't you? I am.
• 22:52
  Look, here's my limp risted gum Pew Pew.
• 22:59
  Oh my God, John Levine's like, oh, I don't want to be in this
• 23:03
  anymore. Oh, here we go.
• 23:05
  Are you seeing this? Are you seeing this tank?
• 23:10
  I mean, it's the scale. Look at the scale difference.
• 23:14
  It's not overly terrible. Actually that is pretty bad I
• 23:20
  suppose. It's on your screen for about 20
• 23:22
  seconds, so. Oh, I wish they'd given that
• 23:26
  robot less limp hands. Look at it.
• 23:29
  They can't keep it up. They can't keep his gun up.
• 23:32
  No, this comes not erect. Bless him.
• 23:36
  Couple of shots and he's gone a limp.
• 23:44
  So Ken, I'm going to ask you at the end of episode 3 how you
• 23:47
  finding this story so far. It's everything I expected it
• 23:52
  would be an absolute gem at the start of Tom Baker's reign.
• 24:04
  So who do we think had the best opening story of a doctor?
• 24:08
  Oh, that's a tricky one. A lot of people would say 11th
• 24:14
  hour, wouldn't they? From Matt Smith.
• 24:16
  I do like it, yeah. Yeah, I like that one.
• 24:20
  I think Power of the Daleks is really strong.
• 24:22
  I don't think you can go wrong with that.
• 24:23
  You see, for me, and I suspect Simon Exton, if he was here,
• 24:27
  Power is a bloody classic. It's six episodes long and it
• 24:31
  never drags. And this very few 6 episodes
• 24:34
  that don't drag. It's got a sense of momentum to
• 24:39
  it as well, hasn't it? With the Daleks or behaving
• 24:41
  deviously in the background building up that army.
• 24:44
  And then in episode 6, they finally tear out and massacre
• 24:47
  everybody. It's fairly unpleasant.
• 24:49
  Episode 6. So yeah, I would.
• 24:52
  I would go with that. I'd certainly go with that one
• 24:54
  for classic, who for knew who? And I know that this will not be
• 24:59
  universally loved. It's deep breath.
• 25:01
  I knew you were going to say that.
• 25:03
  I knew it. Because it's so cinematic, yeah,
• 25:07
  it's been leveled at it that it's a bit empty.
• 25:10
  I don't get that. It's so filmic, that episode.
• 25:14
  It's a joy to watch. I mean, I think as a reinvention
• 25:18
  of the series, Rose is very good.
• 25:20
  As a Doctor Who episode, it's pretty terrible.
• 25:22
  Yeah, as as a sort of introducing the audience to,
• 25:26
  like, all the basic tenants of the show, It's great.
• 25:29
  Maybe the 11th power in the new series?
• 25:31
  It is Gordon, very confident. So I've blanched at your deep
• 25:35
  breath. You've blanched at my war games.
• 25:38
  You see, I'm going to. I'm going to salve the wound
• 25:42
  here. War Games I only saw for the
• 25:45
  first time when we did our podcast on it.
• 25:47
  I deliberately saved it up and I think the Time Lords in that are
• 25:53
  badasses. Fog.
• 25:55
  They are properly, they do not care, and they've got these
• 26:00
  proper powers. Don't piss me off, or we'll just
• 26:04
  erase you from time and we won't even get angry about it.
• 26:08
  But you're going to also say it's too long, aren't you?
• 26:11
  It is too long, but it's not its fault.
• 26:13
  It was. That was necessity of the time.
• 26:15
  I mean, we watched it episodically and it didn't drag.
• 26:19
  I think if you tried to watch more than, say three or four in
• 26:23
  one girl, it would really detract.
• 26:26
  It would feel like it's dragging on.
• 26:28
  But if you watch it episodically, actually.
• 26:30
  It's not that bad. I watched it one episode a day
• 26:34
  across 10 days back in the mid 90s, and I was absolutely
• 26:40
  hooked. And I still think Trou's
• 26:42
  performance in that is just one of the best Doctor performances
• 26:45
  you're ever going to say. I love it.
• 26:47
  I love the war games and I'll have many people tell me I'm mad
• 26:50
  and other people tell me that. And that's the joy of this
• 26:53
  thing, isn't it? Is that we're all coming with
• 26:55
  different opinions. We've all got podcasts where we
• 26:57
  can argue it out. Yes.
• 26:59
  What else would we be doing with our time?
• 27:04
  Useful things, I'm sure. Well, look, on that note, shall
• 27:07
  we skip into Episode 4? We've got some phenomenal
• 27:11
  special effects to get through yet.
• 27:13
  Oh God, I can't wait to be finished off.
• 27:18
  I'm going to cut it there. I'm still with a plump pen light
• 27:25
  for doing quicker, quicker.