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Mega Edition: Chad Daybell And The Murder Of JJ Vallow And Tylee Ryan (9/12/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. We've
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  Speaker 1: been talking a lot about Lori Vallow recently, obviously, but
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  Speaker 1: on this episode, we're going to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about Chad Daybell and learn a little bit more about
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  Speaker 1: him and the nonsensical BS he was preaching about. And
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  Speaker 1: to do that, we have an article from All That's Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: The headline?
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  Speaker 1: Inside the case of Chad Daybell, the doomsday leader who
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  Speaker 1: allegedly inspired his girlfriend, to murder her children. This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Bernadette Giacomozzo. An apocalyptic author, Chad Daybell,
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  Speaker 1: attracted the attention of an Idaho mom named Lori Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: who purportedly killed her kids because they were zombies. Talk
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  Speaker 1: about batshit insane. Imagine anybody trying to spin you that
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  Speaker 1: story about anything, never mind your own children. Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: was known for writing about several dark topics. He published
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  Speaker 1: 25 books about the apocalypse, near-death experiences, and his grave
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  Speaker 1: digging work. Oh, I'm sure that was interesting. Let me
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  Speaker 1: read a book about a guy who digs graves, because
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  Speaker 1: that's very compelling stuff there. But no one ever expected
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  Speaker 1: that Chad Daybell would be linked to murder until he
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  Speaker 1: met a woman named Lori Vallow. Talk about gasoline being
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  Speaker 1: thrown on the fire, huh?
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  Speaker 2: These two together?
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  Speaker 1: Knuckle and Head. Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell first crossed
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  Speaker 1: paths in 2018. By that point, Vallow was obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: Daybell's literature and eager to discuss religion on his podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Much like Daybell's books, a lot of these podcasts focused
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  Speaker 1: on the end of the world. Though both Daybell and
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  Speaker 1: Vallow were married to other people, there was an obvious
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  Speaker 1: connection between the two. And again, anybody who's out here
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  Speaker 1: talking about the end of the world and the apocalypse and.
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  Speaker 2: All that other bullshit, please just miss me with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's right up there with tarot cards and psychics and
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  Speaker 1: all of the rest of that occult nonsense. Their connection
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  Speaker 1: was largely based upon a set of bizarre shared beliefs,
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  Speaker 1: like that of zombies or people whose souls have been
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  Speaker 1: replaced by dark spirits. Worryingly, Valo soon began to refer
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  Speaker 1: to her husband, Charles Valo, and her children, Tylee Ryan
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  Speaker 1: and J.J. Vallow, as zombies. And before long, a trail
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  Speaker 1: of unsettling deaths and disappearances would follow the couple. The
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  Speaker 1: whole zombie thing is bizarre as well. You want zombies?
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  Speaker 1: Watch The Walking Dead. Or go down to the local
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  Speaker 1: Skid Row in your town and look at all of
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  Speaker 1: the fentanyl addicts and you'll have your fill of zombies.
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  Speaker 1: Months after Charles Vallow filed for divorce, he was fatally
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  Speaker 1: shot by his former wife's brother in July of 2019.
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  Speaker 1: The brother later claimed to have been acting in self-defense.
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow backed up the self-defense claim and then relocated
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  Speaker 1: from Arizona to Idaho to be closer to Daybell. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't suspicious. Had nothing to do with the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Lori Vallow wanted to go and live with Shrek, right?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing at all.
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  Speaker 1: And Charles Vallow was just an inconvenient roadblock that had
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  Speaker 1: to be removed. And then in September of 2019, Tylee
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  Speaker 1: Ryan and J.J. Vallow vanished. Their remains were later found
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  Speaker 1: on Daybell's Idaho property. In October 2019, Daybell's wife would
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  Speaker 1: also be found dead under suspicious circumstances. Now Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow are both behind bars, suspected of playing
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  Speaker 1: a role in all of these deaths. But who was
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, and how did an apocalyptic author end up
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  Speaker 1: becoming an alleged murderer? The Bizarre Rise of Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: Born on August 11, 1968 in Provo, Utah, Chad Guy
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  Speaker 1: Daybell grew up in the Mormon faith. His parents, Jack
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  Speaker 1: Daybell and Sheila Chestnut Daybell, were both members of the
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  Speaker 1: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Like many other
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  Speaker 1: young Mormons, Chad Daybell attended Brigham Young University and graduated in.
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  Speaker 2: 1992 with a degree in journalism.
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  Speaker 1: Daybell briefly served as the managing editor for Cedar Fort
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  Speaker 1: Incorporated before starting his own publishing company called Spring Creek
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  Speaker 1: Book Company in 2004. Daybell often worked alongside his wife
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell, whom he had married in 1990. and the
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  Speaker 1: couple eventually had five children together. Imagine killing your wife,
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  Speaker 1: the mother of your five children. What sort of sick,
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  Speaker 1: demented psychopath would do something like that? Slowly, Daybell began
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  Speaker 1: to make a name for himself among the Mormons as
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  Speaker 1: both a publisher and a writer. Still, that wasn't enough
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  Speaker 1: to pay the bills, so he also worked as a
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  Speaker 1: gravedigger and a cemetery sextant to make the ends meet.
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  Speaker 1: Many authors who worked with Chad Daybell in his early
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  Speaker 1: years described having a pleasant experience with a humble man.
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  Speaker 1: They also said that his religious views appeared to match
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  Speaker 1: the more mainstream teachings of the Mormon faith. But around 2014,
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  Speaker 1: one author named Suzanne Freeman, who had released three books
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  Speaker 1: with the help of Daybell, started noticing changes. He started
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  Speaker 1: publishing non-Mormon doctrine stories. And I just told him there's
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  Speaker 1: something that's not quite right, Freeman said. Plus, we were
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  Speaker 1: working on a book of mine together to take out
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  Speaker 1: the LDS stuff. And I was kind of surprised by
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  Speaker 1: that because he was an LDS author. So he started
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  Speaker 1: to change, right? His interests and what he was doing
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  Speaker 1: started to morph from mainstream Mormon thought to something a
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  Speaker 1: bit more outside of the box. and something that obviously
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  Speaker 1: morphed into something that turned deadly. Daybell would indeed go
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  Speaker 1: on to publish 25 of his own books, some of
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  Speaker 1: which were stranger than others. While Living on the Edge
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  Speaker 1: of Heaven was based on two near-death experiences that he had,
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  Speaker 1: the Times of Turmoil series explored the idea of an
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  Speaker 1: apocalyptic America and other traumatic events that would supposedly happen
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  Speaker 1: before the second coming of Jesus Christ. Spoiler folks, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't hold my breath waiting on that happening either anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: But while Daybell's increasingly bizarre writings would alienate some of
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  Speaker 1: his loyal supporters, including Freeman, who soon parted ways with him,
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  Speaker 1: they would also attract a new audience of enthusiastic readers
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  Speaker 1: who took his books to heart. And his biggest fan
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  Speaker 1: was a woman named Lori Vallow. This is like picking
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  Speaker 1: up Game of Thrones and thinking that everything you read
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  Speaker 1: inside of that book is real. Thinking that you're going
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  Speaker 1: to hop on a boat, head over across the narrow sea,
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  Speaker 1: and get yourself a dragon. That's the same thing here.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to be just as insane to believe any
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  Speaker 1: of this is happening. Inside the disturbing relationship between Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell and Lori Vallow. It was around 2017 when Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow began reading Chad Daybell's books. And according to Vallow's
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  Speaker 1: loved ones, she soon became obsessed. By that point, Vallow
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  Speaker 1: was already on husband number four, businessman Charles Vallow, whom
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  Speaker 1: she had married in 2006. She also had three children.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the children, Tylee Ryan and Colby Ryan, were
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  Speaker 1: from previous marriages. And one child, Joshua J.J. Vallow, had
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  Speaker 1: been adopted. And the whole situation surrounding J.J. is just
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  Speaker 1: so damn sad. It makes me so angry to think
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  Speaker 1: that these sick bastards would adopt this kid only to
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  Speaker 1: kill him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for real? And it's my.
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  Speaker 1: Guess that it was Chad Daybell and his influence that
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  Speaker 1: ended up leading to these children being killed. But none
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  Speaker 1: of this stopped Vallow from pursuing a relationship with Chad Daybell,
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  Speaker 1: whom she had first met in 2018. The two soon
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  Speaker 1: started doing podcasts together where they discussed several apocalyptic topics,
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  Speaker 1: And notably, Daybell was just as attracted to Vallow as
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  Speaker 1: she was to him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not somebody that says if you get married and
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  Speaker 1: you're with somebody that you have to stay with that
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  Speaker 1: person for the rest of your life. That's up to you.
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  Speaker 1: But why do people have to go to this length?
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  Speaker 1: Just get divorced, leave your husband, leave your wife, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And move on.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole entire, I'm going to kill my ex
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  Speaker 1: so I can be with the next guy or the
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  Speaker 1: next woman, that shit is straight up bizarre. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand how anyone could ever come to the conclusion
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  Speaker 1: that that is a good idea. One friend of the couple,
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  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, said that Daybell told Vallow that they had
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  Speaker 1: married each other in previous lifetimes. Imagine trying to hustle
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  Speaker 1: with that kind of pitch, that sort of game. Hey, baby,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think that you and I were married
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  Speaker 1: several times in several different lifetimes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for real?
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  Speaker 1: Who the hell's buying that nonsense? You have to be
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  Speaker 1: straight up insane to buy that BS in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: But there's Lori Vallow willing to give up her whole
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  Speaker 1: ass family for this obvious snake oil salesman. And though
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  Speaker 1: Vallow lived in Arizona and Daybell lived in Idaho, the
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  Speaker 1: pair jump-started their relationship, Gibbs said. Lori had one special
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  Speaker 1: phone that her and Chad would communicate with, and she
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  Speaker 1: had a special phone outside of his cell phone number,
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  Speaker 1: so it was just for their personal communication. Can only
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  Speaker 1: imagine what those conversations consisted of. Considering Lori Vallow and
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's strange beliefs, which Gibb admitted she once shared,
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  Speaker 1: it was clear that this was no ordinary affair. According
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  Speaker 1: to Gibb, the two often discussed the topics of zombies
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  Speaker 1: or people whose souls had been replaced by dark spirits.
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  Speaker 1: Gibb and other former friends of Vallow later said that
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  Speaker 1: she started calling her husband and children zombies. And remember,
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  Speaker 1: this Melanie Gibb lady is the alibi that Lori Vallow
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  Speaker 1: tried to use about where JJ was. and we know
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  Speaker 1: that that alibi was absolutely blown out of the water.
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  Speaker 1: By January 2019, Charles Vallow was seriously concerned about his
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  Speaker 1: wife's behavior, and even went so far as to contact
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  Speaker 1: the police for help. He told them that his wife
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  Speaker 1: had threatened to kill him, and that she believed that
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  Speaker 1: she was a god, preparing for the end of the world.
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  Speaker 1: In February of that same year, he filed for divorce,
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  Speaker 1: citing fears for his safety and that of the children. Sadly,
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow's fears were apparently not unfounded. On July 11th, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: he was fatally shot by Lori Vallow's brother, Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 1: The brother later claimed that he had fired the shot
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  Speaker 1: in self-defense to keep his sister safe during a fight
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  Speaker 1: with her ex. Lori Vallow, who said that she had
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  Speaker 1: heard the shooting, backed up the self-defense claims, as did
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, Tylee Ryan. And you know that they manipulated
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  Speaker 1: Tylee to say what she said. because it's obvious that
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow wasn't killed in self-defense. It's obvious that Alex Cox, bitch-ass,
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed Charles Vallow. Shortly thereafter, Lori Vallow relocated
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  Speaker 1: her family from Arizona to Idaho to be closer to
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, who by then was living in Rexburg. The
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  Speaker 1: story then took another grim turn when two of Vallow's
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  Speaker 1: children vanished in September of 2019. Kylie Ryan, who was
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  Speaker 1: 16 at the time, disappeared on September 8th, and J.J. Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: who was 7 at the time, vanished on September 22nd.
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  Speaker 1: And on October 19th, 2019, Chad Daybell's wife, Tammy, mysteriously died. Oh, mysteriously,
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  Speaker 1: is it? Chad Daybell had been the one to call 911,
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  Speaker 1: saying that she had passed away in her sleep, the
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  Speaker 1: mother of his five children, his wife for all of
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  Speaker 1: these years, and this sick animal has no problem killing her.
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  Speaker 1: So when we talk about the death penalty, Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: definitely deserves it, in my opinion. Line that motherfucker up
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  Speaker 1: right against the wall, pull out those machine guns, and
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  Speaker 1: get busy. At first, investigators believed that the death was natural,
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  Speaker 1: especially since Tammy Daybell had reportedly been suffering from poor
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  Speaker 1: health for a while. But it wasn't long before that
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  Speaker 1: would be called into question. While some might have expected
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell to be mourning his wife's death and Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow to be desperately searching for her missing children, neither
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  Speaker 1: of those things happened. Instead, just weeks after these shocking incidents,
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  Speaker 1: Daybell and Vallow booked a trip to Hawaii to get married. Imagine,
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  Speaker 1: imagine these people thinking that they were actually going to
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  Speaker 1: get away with this. A series of horrific revelations. Many
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  Speaker 1: who knew Chad Daybell were stunned to hear that he
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  Speaker 1: had married Lori Vallow so quickly after his wife had died.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Chad really loved his wife, said Suzanne Freeman,
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  Speaker 1: the author who used to work with Chad Daybell. Why
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  Speaker 1: would he marry that soon? This doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: She's not even cold in the grave. Even more shocking
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  Speaker 1: was his choice of a new bride. Why would a
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  Speaker 1: man want to marry a woman that didn't know where
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  Speaker 1: her children were, Freeman said.
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  Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe it. Yeah, I hear that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine dating a woman or being with a
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  Speaker 1: woman and she can't even tell you where her kids are?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pass.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously, we all know that Chad Daybell was in
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  Speaker 1: on it, but I'm just talking about in general terms. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's some bizarre shit that I hear in these stories
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  Speaker 1: that we read, and I say to myself, how in
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  Speaker 1: the hell didn't you see the red flags? Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow Daybell return to Idaho, where witnesses heard them
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  Speaker 1: say that Lori had no minor children. Her sole remaining son,
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  Speaker 1: Colby Ryan, is in his early 20s. But authorities soon
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  Speaker 1: launched a national search for the missing kids. So Chad
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  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow Daybell flew back to Hawaii in December
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  Speaker 1: of 2019. It was reported that Chad Daybell was booted
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  Speaker 1: from the Mormon church for declaring himself to be a prophet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a prophet, buddy. A real prophet.
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  Speaker 1: More like an absolute moron. A prophet of stupidity, perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: As investigators looked for J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan, they
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  Speaker 1: also became suspicious about Tammy Daybell's death. They even exhumed
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  Speaker 1: her body for an autopsy, which had not been conducted
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  Speaker 1: shortly after her death since her children were convinced that
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  Speaker 1: her demise had been natural. Imagine her kids. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: even begun to talk about them yet. Imagine Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: and Tammy Daybell's kids, what they must think about all
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  Speaker 1: of this. I have a whole lot of empathy and
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  Speaker 1: compassion for those kids, let me tell you. By January
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  Speaker 1: of 2020, authorities had formally ordered Lori Vallow Daybell to
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  Speaker 1: produce her children. Since she refused to do so, she
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  Speaker 1: was arrested in Hawaii on February 20th, 2020. Shortly thereafter,
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  Speaker 1: she was extradited to Idaho. As the months dragged on,
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  Speaker 1: some of her former friends, like Melanie Gibb, began to
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  Speaker 1: reveal shocking details about her and her new husband. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: Gibb revealed the couple's view on zombies. She also said
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  Speaker 1: that they insisted that they couldn't divorce their previous spouses
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  Speaker 1: because of information they were receiving from the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the veil. Imagine saying that shit and thinking anyone's
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  Speaker 1: gonna believe it besides the most ardent sycophants? Because regular people,
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  Speaker 1: breaking news, we don't believe any of this bullshit. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: most shocking, they believe that they were chosen to lead 144,000
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  Speaker 1: people who were preparing for the second coming of Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: If I had a nickel.
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  Speaker 1: According to Gibb, Chad Daybell insisted on meeting with people
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  Speaker 1: one-on-one to discuss religion and never held any official gatherings
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  Speaker 1: with people who shared his views. So it's unclear how
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  Speaker 1: many people believed his claims. But there's no doubt he
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  Speaker 1: had an influence on those who did, like Gibb. I
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  Speaker 1: often see Chad as the hand and Lori as the
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  Speaker 1: puppet on the hand. I think that's fair. I think
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  Speaker 1: that Lori Vallow was somebody that was... easily malleable. And
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  Speaker 1: then somebody like Chad Daybell, he saw that and he
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  Speaker 1: exploited that. Does that make her not responsible for her
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  Speaker 1: actions or for what happened to those kids? No, but
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  Speaker 1: I recognize that Chad Daybell was the driving force here.
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  Speaker 1: Despite these shocking revelations and his new wife's arrest, Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell remained free until the police and the FBI decided
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  Speaker 1: to search his Idaho property. On June 9th, 2020, authorities
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  Speaker 1: found human remains, which were later revealed to belong to
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  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan and J.J.
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  Speaker 2: Vallow.
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  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan's body had been dismembered and burned, and J.J.
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  Speaker 1: Vallow's body was wrapped from head to toe in duct tape.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell was promptly arrested, and I couldn't be a cop, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: If I was arresting somebody for something like this, they
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  Speaker 1: definitely have one of those, and I'm using air quotes here, folks,
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  Speaker 1: one of those trips and falls you see all the
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  Speaker 1: time Yeah, they'd have one of those. Since that gruesome discovery,
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell has been charged in connection with the deaths
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  Speaker 1: of Tylee Ryan, J.J. Vallow, and Tammy Daybell. Meanwhile, Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow Daybell has been charged in connection with the deaths
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  Speaker 1: of Tylee Ryan, J.J. Vallow, Tammy Daybell, and Charles Vallow.
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  Speaker 1: According to authorities... Lori Vallow Daybell's brother, Alex Cox, would
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  Speaker 1: also be charged, had he not already died, of natural
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  Speaker 1: causes in December of 2019. Natural causes, is it? While
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  Speaker 1: it's clear that Cox fired the shot that killed Charles Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: Cox's cell phone GPS was also placed on Chad Daybell's
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  Speaker 1: property the day after Tylee Ryan had disappeared and the
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  Speaker 1: day after J.J. Vallow had disappeared. And just 10 days
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  Speaker 1: before Tammy Daybell died, She reported getting shot at in
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  Speaker 1: her driveway by a defective paintball gun. Now investigators believe
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  Speaker 1: that it was an actual gun and that Cox was
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  Speaker 1: once again behind the trigger. A trial for Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow Daybell was set for January but is now split.
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  Speaker 1: And one can only guess how many more twists in
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  Speaker 1: the case will emerge before then. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: there's a doubt that there's going to be some more
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  Speaker 1: twists and turns before this is all said and done.
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  Speaker 1: But as for now, that's going to do it for
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  Speaker 1: this one. All of the information that goes with the
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  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. Everyone and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow
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  Speaker 1: were originally scheduled to be tried together for their alleged crimes. However,
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  Speaker 1: after some back and forth in the courtroom between Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell's attorneys and the judge, it was decided that the
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  Speaker 1: court would sever their cases and try them individually. And
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons for that is Chad Daybell's lawyer
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell, they say that their version of events
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  Speaker 1: is going to differ from Lori Vallow's version of events.
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  Speaker 1: So we've talked a lot about the fact that Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow might try and blame Chad Daybell, but what about
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell pointing the fingers at Lori Vallow? And when
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: you're facing the death penalty or life in prison, I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: would think that we'd see, at least at some point here,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: one of these two turning on each other. And with
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the trial being split, I believe that is way more
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: likely than if there were tried together. So it's going
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to be interesting to see what happens as this continues
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to evolve and what sort of legal strategy Lori and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: her team are going to come up with. Because you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: know they said it wasn't Lori, right? They're very adamant
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: about that. Lori had nothing to do with it. And
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the prosecutors, well, they can't say with certainty that Lori
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: killed these kids. And that was brought up by the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: defense during opening statement yesterday. So it seems to me
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that Lori Vallow is certainly gearing up to blame everybody
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: else but herself. And I have no doubt that Alex
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Cox's name is going to play a big part in
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: both of these trials.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Not just Lori Vallow, but also Chad Daybell.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So today, we're going to continue laying that foundation of context,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and we have an article to do that from EastIdahoNews.com.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Nate Eaton, and the headline,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Attorney Asked Judge to Separate Daybell Trials Says Chad's Defense
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Will Be Diametrically Different from Lori's. And right from that headline,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: if you read in between the lines, it certainly looks
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: like he's gearing up as well for his own version
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: of events. This article was originally published on November 10th
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of 2022. Chad Daybell's defense will be diametrically different from
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: his wife's, and their trials should be held separately, his
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: attorney says. Chad and Lori Daybell are charged with multiple
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: counts of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the deaths of 7-year-old Joshua J.J. Vallow and 16-year-old Tylee Ryan,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: two of Lori's kids, along with Chad's previous wife, Tammy Daybell.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Their cases are conjoined, but during a hearing with District
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Judge Stephen Boyce at the Fremont County Courthouse on Thursday morning,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: John Pryor, Chad's attorney, argued they need to be severed.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Our version of the facts of this case? will differ
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: greatly from what Ms. Vallow and her legal counsel are
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: going to be presenting, Pryor said. Our defense is diametrically
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: different than Ms. Vallow's and the cases need to be separated.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And again, look, I don't have any kind of inside
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: information as to what Lori Vallow's team is thinking or
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's, but it just makes sense to me that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: at this point, it is every man or woman for
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: themselves and self-preservation is going to come into play. Do
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you really think Chad Daybell wants to be the guy
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: blamed for killing these kids? Of course he doesn't, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the same obviously goes for Lori Vallow. And I have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: zero doubt that before all is said and done, there's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: going to be a bunch of accusations flying from both
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: camps about who is responsible for what. Meanwhile, the rest
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: of us are sitting here saying that they both deserve
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the volcano. Wearing a white shirt and dark red tie,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Chad sat silently next to Pryor for the hour-long hearing.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Boyce did not allow cameras in the courtroom. A few
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: members of the public and several Rexburg police and Fremont
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff detectives observed the proceedings. The hearing was scheduled
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: after Pryor filed a lengthy motion to sever in September.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that as they went through all of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: their plans and all of the evidence, that they suspected
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that eventually, at some point, Lori was going to turn
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: on Chad and point the finger at him. So are
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: they trying to get the jump on Lori by doing
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that themselves? Again, we don't know. But I think all
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the signs are there for both of them to try
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and turn on each other. And I have a sneaking
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: suspicion that it's going to be Chad Daybell who makes
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the move first. There is a significant amount of information
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in this case, and the result could be the defendant
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: is put to death. Given the severity of the consequences,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the courts and federal courts have made it a habit
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to sever capital cases, Pryor argued. Now, we know that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow is not facing the death penalty, so that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: off the table. But Chad Daybell, however, this dude certainly
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: is facing the death penalty. And hopefully, if he's convicted,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: he gets it. Pryor mentioned that Chad has waived his
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: right to a speedy trial, while Lori has not. Her
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: case is on hold until her mental competency can be determined.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: A hearing was held on that issue Wednesday afternoon. but
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it is unknown what occurred as proceedings are sealed. Lori
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: also faces conspiracy to commit murder charge in Arizona for
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the death of her fourth husband, Charles Vallow. Pryor says
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: he plans to use information from that case during his
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: defense arguments for Chad. You know, all these little things
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: that are being said by Pryor, they have meaning. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it's going to lead to Chad Daybell trying to pin
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: this all on Lori Vallow. Wait and see. That's my prediction.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I don't make many of those, but that is certainly
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: my prediction here. There was a documentary done by Netflix
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that portrayed this case in a way I don't necessarily
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: agree with. They talked about the allegations of what Ms.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Vallow was allegedly involved in down in Arizona, Pryor said.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I am going to be petitioning the court to allow
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: me to use a certain amount of information as it
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: relates to Arizona. So is he going to try and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: pin it on Vallow by saying Lori Vallow was the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: brains behind the operation and she was the one that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: roped Chad Daybell in? That's going to be a brazen strategy.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And if that's the one they're going to use, I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: very interested to see how the jury and the court
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: reacts to that kind of strategy. Pryor also mentioned a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: concern about gender stereotyping and reference to evidence that shows
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: when it comes to capital cases, Jury sentenced men to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: death more than women.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't have to worry about that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That's a moot point now, considering Lori Vallow is not
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: facing the death penalty and the cases have been severed.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Fremont County prosecuting attorney Lindsay Blake argued against the motion
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: for severance and said Pryor had not met the heavy
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: burden defendants bear to have a judge sever a case.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Severance is a last ditch effort. It's meant to be
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: used when no other remedy is available, Blake said. Blake
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: argued joint trials are preferred for multiple reasons, including minimalizing
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the risk of inconsistent verdicts, efficiently using the court, government
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and witness resources, and they can prevent gamesmanship. Well, we
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: know that there's going to be gamesmanship without a doubt.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell is going to watch what happens with Lori Vallow,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and he's going to make some moves based on that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: There's zero doubt that that's going to occur. And for
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, he kind of lucked out by being tried
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: second because he can get an idea of what the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: prosecution has now and try and set his defense. He
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: said the evidence and witnesses in the Daybell cases are similar,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: if not identical, and it only makes sense to keep
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: them together. This is set to be a 10-week trial.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a severance that would result in a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: total of 20-week trials between the two, Blake said. And
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes that can't be avoided. Obviously, you want things to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: run smoothly. And if it can be done at the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: same time concurrently, then that's what you do. But at
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: other times, you have to make sure that everything is
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on the up and up. So you're not giving anybody
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a chance to go for that, you know, new trial
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on appeal and say there was a technicality because the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: court shit on your constitutional rights. So you have to
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: make sure, as the judge and the court, that you're
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in lockstep with all of the policies and that the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: letter of the law is followed to a T. Blake
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: suggested one solution to potential problems could be having two
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: juries in session during a joint trial, one for Lori
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and one for Chad. If witness or evidence issues were
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: raised that did not apply to one defendant, that particular
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: jury could leave the courtroom. That seems like it could
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: get rather confusing, no? I don't know if I'd be
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: down with that, and I think what Judge Boyce did
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was the right move here. Obviously, it's going to make
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: things longer, it drags it out a little bit, but
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it keeps things more uniformed and buttoned down. Boyce asked
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: if there had been confessions to the crimes from either
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Chad or Lori. Blake and Pryor both said they were
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: unaware of any. The judge said he will consider the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: motion to sever and issue a written order at a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: later date. Both Chad and Lori have pleaded not guilty
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to all charges. So as you can see here and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: from the other context articles we've been talking about, they
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: all seem to infer that Chad Daybell is going his
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: own way here and that he's going to point the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: finger at Lori Vallow. Now, as far as Lori Vallow
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: is concerned, I don't know what her deal is going
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to be. Like if she truly, truly believes in all
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: this stuff they were talking about, then Chad Daybell is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the voice of God as far.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: As she's concerned.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So is she going to turn on Chad Daybell and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: try and point the finger at him? Or is Lori
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: going to blame Alex Cox? Because we already heard in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the opening statements that Lori had nothing to do with this.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So if it wasn't Lori, then it had to be
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Alex or Chad. And on the flip side of that,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Chad's saying, well, look, we have to sever this trial
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because our stories are going to basically be opposing stories.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be real interesting to see how
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: this all plays out. And with Lori Vallow on trial
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: now and Chad Daybell getting a good look at what
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the prosecution has, it's going to be interesting to see
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: how that affects Chad Daybell's defense. All right, folks, that's
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. All of the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: information that goes with the episode can be found in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the program. We've been talking a lot about Lori Vallow recently, obviously,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: but on this episode, we're going to talk a little
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: bit about Chad Daybell and learn a little bit more
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: about him and the nonsensical BS he was preaching about.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And to do that, we have an article from All
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: That's Interesting.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: The headline?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Inside the case of Chad Daybell, the doomsday leader who
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: allegedly inspired his girlfriend to murder her children. This article
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: was authored by Bernadette Giacomozzo. An apocalyptic author, Chad Daybell,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: attracted the attention of an Idaho mom named Lori Vallow,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: who purportedly killed her kids because they were zombies. Talk
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: about batshit insane. Imagine anybody trying to spin you that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: story about anything, never mind your own children. Chad Daybell
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: was known for writing about several dark topics, He published
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: 25 books about the apocalypse, near-death experiences, and his grave
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: digging work. Oh, I'm sure that was interesting. Let me
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: read a book about a guy who digs graves because
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that's very compelling stuff there. But no one ever expected
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that Chad Daybell would be linked to murder until he
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: met a woman named Lori Vallow. Talk about gasoline being
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: thrown on the fire, huh? These two together? Knuckle and head.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell first crossed paths in 2018.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: By that point, Vallow was obsessed with Daybell's literature and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: eager to discuss religion on his podcast. Much like Daybell's books,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of these podcasts focused on the end of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the world. Though both Daybell and Vallow were married to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: other people, there was an obvious connection between the two.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And again, anybody who's out here talking about the end
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of the world and the apocalypse and all that other bullshit,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: please just miss me with it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's right up there with.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Tarot cards and psychics and all of the rest of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that occult nonsense. Their connection was largely based upon a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: set of bizarre shared beliefs, like that of zombies or
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: people whose souls have been replaced by dark spirits. Worryingly,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Vallow soon began to refer to her husband, Charles Vallow,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and her children, Tylee Ryan and J.J. Vallow, as zombies,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and before long, A trail of unsettling deaths and disappearances
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: would follow the couple. The whole zombie thing is bizarre
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: as well. You want zombies? Watch The Walking Dead. Or
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: go down to the local Skid Row in your town
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and look at all of the fentanyl addicts and you'll
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: have your fill of zombies. Months after Charles Vallow filed
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: for divorce, he was fatally shot by his former wife's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: brother in July of 2019. The brother later claimed to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: have been acting in self-defense. Lori Vallow backed up the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: self-defense claim and then relocated from Arizona to Idaho to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: be closer to Daybell. Yeah, that wasn't suspicious. Had nothing
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to do with the fact that Lori Vallow wanted to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: go and live with Shrek, right?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Nothing at all.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And Charles Vallow was just an inconvenient roadblock that had
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: to be removed. And then in September of 2019, Tylee
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Ryan and J.J. Vallow vanished. Their remains were later found
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: on Daybell's Idaho property. In October 2019, Daybell's wife would
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: also be found dead under suspicious circumstances. Now Chad Daybell
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow are both behind bars, suspected of playing
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a role in all of these deaths. But who was
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, and how did an apocalyptic author end up
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: becoming an alleged murderer? The Bizarre Rise of Chad Daybell
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Born on August 11, 1968 in Provo, Utah, Chad Guy
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Daybell grew up in the Mormon faith. His parents, Jack
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Daybell and Sheila Chestnut Daybell, were both members of the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Like many other
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: young Mormons, Chad Daybell attended Brigham Young University and graduated
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: in 1992 with a degree in journalism. Daybell briefly served
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: as the managing editor for Cedar Fort Incorporated before starting
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: his own publishing company called Spring Creek Book Company in 2004.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Daybell often worked alongside his wife, Tammy Daybell, whom he
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: had married in 1990. And the couple eventually had five
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: children together. Imagine killing your wife, the mother of your
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: five children. What sort of sick, demented psychopath would do
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: something like that? Slowly, Daybell began to make a name
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: for himself among the Mormons as both a publisher and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: a writer. Still, that wasn't enough to pay the bills,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: so he also worked as a gravedigger and a cemetery
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: sextant to make the ends meet. Many authors who worked
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: with Chad Daybell in his early years described having a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: pleasant experience with a humble man. They also said that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: his religious views appeared to match the more mainstream teachings
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of the Mormon faith. But around 2014, one author named
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Suzanne Freeman, who had released three books with the help
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of Daybell, started noticing changes. He started publishing non-Mormon doctrine stories,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and I just told him there's something that's not quite right,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Freeman said. Plus, we were working on a book of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: mine together to take out the LDS stuff, and I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: was kind of surprised by that because he was an
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: LDS author.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: So he started to change, right?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: His interests and what he was doing started to morph
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: from mainstream Mormon thought to something a bit more outside
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of the box and something that obviously morphed into something
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that turned deadly. Daybell would indeed go on to publish
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: 25 of his own books, some of which were stranger
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: than others. While Living on the Edge of Heaven was
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: based on two near-death experiences that he had, The Times
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of Turmoil series explored the idea of an apocalyptic America
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and other traumatic events that would supposedly happen before the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: second coming of Jesus Christ. Spoiler folks, I wouldn't hold
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: my breath waiting on that happening either anytime soon. But
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: while Daybell's increasingly bizarre writings would alienate some of his
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: loyal supporters, including Freeman, who soon parted ways with him,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: they would also attract a new audience of enthusiastic readers
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: who took his books to heart. And his biggest fan
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: was a woman named Lori Vallow. This is like picking
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: up Game of Thrones and thinking that everything you read
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: inside of that book is real. Thinking that you're going
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to hop on a boat, head over across the narrow sea,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and get yourself a dragon. That's the same thing here.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: You've got to be just as insane to believe any
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of this is happening. inside the disturbing relationship between Chad
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Daybell and Lori Vallow. It was around 2017 when Lori
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Vallow began reading Chad Daybell's books, and according to Vallow's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: loved ones, she soon became obsessed. By that point, Vallow
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: was already on husband number four, businessman Charles Vallow, whom
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: she had married in 2006. She also had three children,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: two of the children, Tylee Ryan and Colby Ryan, were
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: from previous marriages, and one child, Joshua J.J. Vallow, had
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: been adopted. And the whole situation surrounding J.J. is just
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: so damn sad. It makes me so angry to think
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that these sick bastards would adopt this kid only to
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: kill him.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, for real?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And it's my guess that it was Chad Daybell and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: his influence that ended up leading to these children being killed.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But none of this stopped Vallow from pursuing a relationship
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: with Chad Daybell, whom she had first met in 2018.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: The two soon started doing podcasts together where they discussed
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: several apocalyptic topics, and notably, Daybell was just as attracted
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to Vallow as she was to him.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not somebody that says if you get married and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you're with somebody that you have to stay with that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: person for the rest of your life. That's up to you.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: But why do people have to go to this length?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Just get divorced, leave your husband, leave your wife, whatever.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And move on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: But the whole entire, I'm going to kill my ex
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: so I can be with the next guy or the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: next woman, that shit is straight up bizarre. And I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: don't understand how anyone could ever come to the conclusion
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that that is a good idea. One friend of the couple,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, said that Daybell told Vallow that they had
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: married each other in previous lifetimes. Imagine trying to hustle
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: with that kind of pitch, that sort of game. Hey, baby,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that you and I were married
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: several times in several different lifetimes.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, for real?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Who the hell's buying that nonsense? You have to be
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: straight up insane to buy that BS in the first place.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: But there's Lori Vallow willing to give up her whole
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: ass family for this obvious snake oil salesman. And though
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Vallow lived in Arizona and Daybell lived in Idaho... The
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: pair jump-started their relationship, Gibb said. Lori had one special
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: phone that her and Chad would communicate with, and she
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: had a special phone outside of his cell phone number,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: so it was just for their personal communication. Can only
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: imagine what those conversations consisted of. Considering Lori Vallow and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's strange beliefs, which Gibb admitted she once shared,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it was clear that this was no ordinary affair. According
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to Gibb, The two often discussed the topics of zombies
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: or people whose souls had been replaced. by dark spirits.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Gibb and other former friends of Vallow later said that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: she started calling her husband and children zombies. And remember,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: this Melanie Gibb lady is the alibi that Lori Vallow
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: tried to use about where JJ was, and we know
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that that alibi was absolutely blown out of the water.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: By January 2019, Charles Vallow was seriously concerned about his
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: wife's behavior, and even went so far as to contact
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the police for help. He told them that his wife
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: had threatened to kill him, and that she believed that
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: she was a god, preparing for the end of the world.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: In February of that same year, he filed for divorce,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: citing fears for his safety and that of the children. Sadly,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow's fears were apparently not unfounded. On July 11th, 2019,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: he was fatally shot by Lori Vallow's brother, Alex Cox.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: The brother later claimed that he had fired the shot
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in self-defense to keep his sister safe during a fight
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: with her ex. Lori Vallow, who said that she had
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: heard the shooting, backed up the self-defense claims, as did
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: her daughter, Tylee Ryan. And you know that they manipulated
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Tylee to say what she said. because it's obvious that
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow wasn't killed in self-defense. It's obvious that Alex Cox, bitch-ass,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: shot and killed Charles Vallow. Shortly thereafter, Lori Vallow relocated
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: her family from Arizona to Idaho to be closer to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, who by then was living in Rexburg. The
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: story then took another grim turn when two of Vallow's
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: children vanished in September of 2019. Kylie Ryan, who was
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: 16 at the time, disappeared on September 8th, and J.J. Vallow,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: who was 7 at the time, vanished on September 22nd.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And on October 19th, 2019, Chad Daybell's wife, Tammy, mysteriously died. Oh, mysteriously,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: is it? Chad Daybell had been the one to call 911,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: saying that she had passed away in her sleep, the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: mother of his five children, his wife for all of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: these years, and this sick animal has no problem killing her.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: So when we talk about the death penalty, Chad Daybell
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: definitely deserves it, in my opinion. Line that motherfucker up
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: right against the wall, pull out those machine guns, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: get busy. At first, investigators believed that the death was natural,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: especially since Tammy Daybell had reportedly been suffering from poor
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: health for a while. But it wasn't long before that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: would be called into question. While some might have expected
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell to be mourning his wife's death, and Lori
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Vallow to be desperately searching for her missing children, neither
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of those things happened. Instead, just weeks after these shocking incidents,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Daybell and Vallow booked a trip to Hawaii to get married.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Imagine?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine these people thinking that they were actually going to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: get away with this?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: A series of horrific revelations.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Many who knew Chad Daybell were stunned to hear that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: he had married Lori Vallow so quickly after his wife
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: had died. I thought Chad really loved his wife, said
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Suzanne Freeman, the author who used to work with Chad Daybell.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Why would he marry that soon? This doesn't make any sense.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: She's not even cold in the grave. Even more shocking
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: was his choice of a new bride. Why would a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: man want to marry a woman that didn't know where
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: her children were, Freeman said.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe it. Yeah, I hear that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine dating a woman or being with a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: woman and she can't even tell you where her kids are.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pass. So obviously.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: We all know that Chad Daybell was in on it,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: but I'm just talking about in general terms. Like, there's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: some bizarre shit that I hear in these stories that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: we read, and I say to myself, how in the
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: hell didn't you see the red flags? Chad and Lori
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Vallow Daybell returned to Idaho, where witnesses heard them say
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that Lori had no minor children. Her sole remaining son,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Colby Ryan, is in his early 20s. But authorities soon
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: launched a national search for the missing kids. So Chad
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow Daybell flew back to Hawaii in December
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of 2019. It was reported that Chad Daybell was booted
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: from the Mormon church for declaring himself to be a prophet.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a prophet, buddy. A real prophet.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: More like an absolute moron. A prophet of stupidity, perhaps.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: As investigators looked for J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan, they
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: also became suspicious about Tammy Daybell's death. They even exhumed
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: her body for an autopsy, which had not been conducted
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: shortly after her death since her children were convinced that
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: her demise had been natural. Imagine her kids. I haven't
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: even begun to talk about them yet. Imagine Chad Daybell
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and Tammy Daybell's kids, what they must think about all
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of this. I have a whole lot of empathy and
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: compassion for those kids, let me tell you. By January
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: of 2020, authorities had formally ordered Lori Vallow Daybell to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: produce her children. Since she refused to do so, she
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was arrested in Hawaii on February 20th, 2020. Shortly thereafter,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: she was extradited to Idaho. As the months dragged on,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: some of her former friends, like Melanie Gibb, began to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: reveal shocking details about her and her new husband. For instance,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Gibb revealed the couple's view on zombies. She also said
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: that they insisted that they couldn't divorce their previous spouses
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: because of information they were receiving from the other side
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of the veil. Imagine saying that shit and thinking anyone's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: gonna believe it besides the most ardent sycophants? Because regular people,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: breaking news, we don't believe any.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Of this bullshit.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Perhaps most shocking, they believe that they were chosen to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: lead 144,000 people who were preparing for the second coming
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: If I had a nickel.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: According to Gibb, Chad Daybell insisted on meeting with people
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: one-on-one to discuss religion and never held any official gatherings
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: with people who shared his views. So it's unclear how
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: many people believed his claims. But there's no doubt he
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: had an influence on those who did, like Gibb. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: often see Chad as the hand and Lori as the
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: puppet on the hand. I think that's fair. I think
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that Lori Vallow was somebody that was... easily malleable. And
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: then somebody like Chad Daybell, he saw that and he
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: exploited that. Does that make her not responsible for her
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: actions or for what happened to those kids? No, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I recognize that Chad Daybell was the driving force here.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Despite these shocking revelations and his new wife's arrest, Chad
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Daybell remained free until the police and the FBI decided
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to search his Idaho property. On June 9th, 2020, authorities
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: found human remains, which were later revealed to belong to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan and J.J.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Vallow.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan's body had been dismembered and burned, and J.J.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Vallow's body was wrapped from head to toe in duct tape.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell was promptly arrested, and I couldn't be a cop, honestly.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: If I was arresting somebody for something like this, they
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: definitely have one of those, and I'm using air quotes here, folks,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: one of those trips and falls you see all the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: time Yeah, they'd have one of those. Since that gruesome discovery,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell has been charged in connection with the deaths
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: of Tylee Ryan, J.J. Vallow, and Tammy Daybell. Meanwhile, Lori
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Vallow Daybell has been charged in connection with the deaths
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of Tylee Ryan, J.J. Vallow, Tammy Daybell, and Charles Vallow.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: According to authorities... Lori Vallow Daybell's brother Alex Cox would
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: also be charged, had he not already died, of natural
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: causes in December of 2019. Natural causes, is it? While
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: it's clear that Cox fired the shot that killed Charles Vallow,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Cox's cell phone GPS was also placed on Chad Daybell's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: property the day after Tylee Ryan had disappeared and the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: day after J.J. Vallow had disappeared. And just 10 days
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: before Tammy Daybell died, She reported getting shot at in
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: her driveway by a defective paintball gun. Now investigators believe
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that it was an actual gun and that Cox was
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: once again behind the trigger. A trial for Chad and
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow Daybell was set for January but is now split.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: And one can only guess how many more twists in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the case will emerge before then. And I don't think
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: there's a doubt that there's going to be some more
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: twists and turns before this is all said and done.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But as for now, that's going to do it for
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: this one. All of the information that goes with the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. So the Chad Daybell
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: trial is fully underway, and there is a lot of
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: talk that he's going to throw Lori Vallow directly under
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the bus. And I've been saying this for years now,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that this dude is going to toss her directly under
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that bus. and try and pin the whole entire thing
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: on Lori Vallow. Now, I understand the attempt, but I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be an absolute failure. And that's
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: because they were both obviously culpable, they were both involved
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: in planning this, and they were both involved in making
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: sure that Alex Cox carried it out. But at the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: heart of it, we all know that bitch-ass, stunad Chad
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Daybell is a straight-up coward. And when you're a coward,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you're going to throw everybody under the bus. You're not
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: going to take responsibility for what you did. It's everybody
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: else's fault. And that's exactly what the defense. is going
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: to try and claim as this trial progresses. Today we
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: have an article from Daily Mail and the headline. It's
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: just pure evil. Chad Daybell to turn on Lori Vallow
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and pin the murders of her children and his first
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: wife on the cult mom. As victim's aunt says doomsday
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: couples are the real zombies. Well, yeah, I could agree
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: with that. Definitely something messed up with these people. And
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: if anybody's a zombie, it's Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Paul Farrell and James Gordon.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Doomsday prophet, you mean Stunad, Chad Daybell, plans to lay
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the entire blame of the murders of his wife, Lori
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Vallow's children, J.J. Vallow, and Tylee Ryan squarely on her.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Daybell's 10-week trial began in Idaho on Wednesday, with prosecutors
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: alleging that he conspired to murder his ex-wife, Tammy Daybell, 49.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: As well as Vallow's kids.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: All three are believed to have been killed in late 2019.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: He has no other choice. Unless he wants to get
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the death penalty, he better blame Lori Vallow. But even
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: attempting to do that, he has a very, very long
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: path ahead of him. There is a lot of evidence
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: that has been compiled over the years that points us
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: to Chad Daybell being guilty. One thing's for sure, though.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: His lawyer was in the courtroom for the whole entire
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow trial, and we all know that she didn't
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: really defend herself, right? She didn't put forth any kind
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: of defense. So Pryor is not going to do that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: He knows that if he tries that approach, his guy
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: is as good as cooked. So he's going to do
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: everything he can, everything in his power, to try and
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: put all the blame on Alex Cox and Lori Vallow.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: The tactic to shift blame suits Daybell with the so-called
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: cult mom Vallow having already been tried separately for the killings, convicted,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: of all counts, last May, and sentenced to life behind
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: bars without the possibility of parole. So his attempt here
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: is going to be, look, it was Vallow. She was
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: already convicted. I don't even know why you have me here.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: That's basically going to be the approach, and we all
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: know that that shit is DOA. There is not a
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Jerry in the world that's going to buy that, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: not a Jerry in the world that's going to buy
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the narrative that Stunad Daybell is going to try to pitch.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: The kids, JJ and Tylee, both disappeared within days of
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: one another in September of 2019, with their remains not
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: being discovered in Daybell's backyard in Rexburg, Idaho. until June
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: of 2020, while him and the Skufuza were having a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: great old time on the beach. These little kids were
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: murdered and buried in this ground and being treated as
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: if they were no better than a raccoon. In the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Stunad's own words, remember what Chad Daybell said, Oh, I
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: just dug a hole for a raccoon that I shot.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: What did you really mean by that, you sick degenerate fuck? Well,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's that big of a leap for
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: us to infer that or speculate what he really meant.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: 17 days after JJ was last seen alive, Tammy Daybell
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: then suddenly died in her sleep. That's convenient, huh? All
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, she just happens to die in her sleep.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Then Chad Daybell calls the authorities, they come, no autopsy's done,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: he wants her cremated the next day.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: None of that's suspicious.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: An aunt of JJ's said she now believes Daybell will
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: attempt to display his innocence by shifting the blame onto Vallow.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: by describing her as someone who ensnared him into her
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: twisted life. He's been throwing her under the bus since
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it all started.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I remember his.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Attorney at a preliminary hearing in August of 2020, a
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: month after the kids were found, he was referring to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Lori as Ms.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Vallow and not Ms. Daybell Vallow or Ms. Daybell.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Aside from the occasional slip-up, Crescia Easton told The Sun, well, yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: that's his job. He wants to put as much space
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: between Vallow and his client as possible. The only problem
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: for him is they might as well be conjoined twins.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: So good luck trying to separate Vallow and Daybell. They
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: are one in the same. They conspired to murder these
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: kids and to murder Tammy. We all know the deal.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: We all know the truth. All that's left is to
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: go through these steps and convict this dude. So he's
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: been trying to distance himself from her and back away
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: for some time. But the idea of creating separation has
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: become more and more apparent over the years. While watching
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the court hearings, and hearing the arguments made by his attorneys,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: so I expect more of that in the weeks ahead.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Easton believes there is no level to which Daybell won't
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: sink in order to clear his name. Well, there's no
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: doubt this guy is on the hook for a death penalty.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He is going to use whatever he possibly can to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: try and get himself off the hook, and if that
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: means turning on Scafusa and saying that she's the mastermind
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: here and she was the one behind all of it,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: he's going to do it. Easton believes there is no
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: level to which Daybell won't sink in order to clear
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: his name. There's going to be a lot of denial
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and projection. I mean, whatever they are blaming and accusing
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: other people of, they're actually guilty of themselves. I mean,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: look at the whole zombie thing, light and dark. They
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: were judging the light and darkness of other people, but
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: it was them who were allegedly doing nefarious and egregious crimes,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: especially against children and unsuspecting spouses, Easton explained. There's a
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: lot to be said about that, right? Oh, this one's dark,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: this one's dark, that one's dark. He's a zombie, she's
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: a zombie. Meanwhile, these idiots are out here planning mass murder.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: With Tammy, she married Chad and committed her life to
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: being his wife, to being a mother to their five children,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: and to picking up the slack on everything, and being
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: the breadwinner. She carried the entire family so he can
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: go off and write his books. Imagine the level of scumbaggery.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: You have a wife who is willing to... Go out
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: and work every day so you can pursue your passion
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: to become a writer, and this is how you do her?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: You see some skafooza with blonde hair at some doomsday conference,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: and everything goes out the window right away, huh?
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: To hell with your wife.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I need to have me a couple minutes with skafooza
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: over here and, you know, have a little bit of fun. Meanwhile,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: he has this rock-solid lady at home in Tammy who's
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: holding shit down for him and letting him pursue his dreams.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: And as if stepping out on Tammy wasn't bad enough...
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: The ultimate act of betrayal would come later on when
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: he killed her. So yeah, helicopters, volcanoes. There are stories
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: from Tammy's friends where I've been told that a few
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: weeks before she was murdered, the soles of her tennis
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: shoes were worn so thin, almost through, Easton went on,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: she was working her ass off while her husband, who
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: was meant to be this priest, this godly person who's
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: elevated in their church, is texting Lori, calling Tammy a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: warden and a dark spirit. That needs to be vanquished.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: It's just pure evil. I'm just glad he's in the
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: hot seat now, Easton told the son. I hope it's
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: really hot. I hope he wiggles and hisses. I've heard
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that's what demons do once you back them into a corner. Well,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know about the demon stuff, but if there
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: are demons and there is a god and all that
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: other jazz, this dude is going to the lowest level
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: of hell where he's going to burn for eternity. Daybell
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  Speaker 1: is accused of crafting an alternative reality so that he
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  Speaker 1: could fulfill his desire for sex, money, and power. He
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  Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, insurance fraud,
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  Speaker 1: and conspiracy to commit murder and grand theft. Nevertheless, Easton believes,
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  Speaker 1: he will be found guilty just as Vallow was. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait for the moment that they read out that
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  Speaker 1: guilty verdict, Easton said. I just want to see the
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  Speaker 1: fall of Chad Daybell. And I want to see him
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  Speaker 1: be seen as small as I see him when I
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  Speaker 1: look at him with my eyes. There's no doubt in
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  Speaker 1: my mind he will be found guilty, and I look
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  Speaker 1: forward to the day reality, accountability, and repercussions all come
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  Speaker 1: crashing down on him. This is his judgment day. Well,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: he wanted that judgment day so bad, so she's not
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  Speaker 1: wrong about that. But guess what, Chad Daybell? It's not
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  Speaker 1: your God that's sitting in judgment of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's your peers.
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  Speaker 1: And considering your scumbaggery, I'd be a bit uncomfortable if
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  Speaker 1: I were you. Last year, Lori Vallow, the mother of
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  Speaker 1: the dead children, received a life sentence without parole for
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the killings. Prosecutors say the couple justified the three killings
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  Speaker 1: by creating a detailed and apocalyptic belief system, part of
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  Speaker 1: an elaborate scheme to eliminate any obstacles to their relationship
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  Speaker 1: and obtain money from survivor benefits and life insurance. Vallow
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  Speaker 1: referred to her two youngest kids as zombies, one friend testified,
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  Speaker 1: during her trial. The evidence will show that this was
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  Speaker 1: a convenient narrative, Wood told jurors. This narrative gave them
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  Speaker 1: the pretext to remove people from this world for their
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  Speaker 1: own good. Vallow's defense attorney, John Pryor, presented a different
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  Speaker 1: picture to jurors, noting that Chad Daybell was a religious person,
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  Speaker 1: but suggesting that his belief in things like premonitions, were
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  Speaker 1: fairly mainstream. Yeah, maybe if you live in Afghanistan and
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  Speaker 1: you're part of the Taliban. Normal people don't have premonitions, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly of God or angels or demons or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor also explained to jurors that Lori Vallow's brother, Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 1: had a violent history. He had previously been convicted of
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  Speaker 1: attacking Vallow's third husband and he shot and killed her
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  Speaker 1: fourth husband. Whenever there was a problem with Lori Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Cox ran to the rescue, Pryor said in opening statements.
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  Speaker 1: Daybell's attorney also argued that his client... lived a normal,
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  Speaker 1: faith-focused life before he met Lori Vallow, who he said
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  Speaker 1: showered Daybell with attention. His legal team described her as
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: a beautiful, vivacious person who drew Daybell into an extramarital relationship. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because Daybell had nothing to do with it. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: you have no kind of defense without telling me you
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  Speaker 1: have no kind of defense. Chad Daybell was just a
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  Speaker 1: shrinking flower here. And Lori Vallow was somebody that just
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: canoodled them into all of this. I mean, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: The power of the pee is something to be wary of, right?
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  Speaker 1: Women have talked some men into some shit throughout history.
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  Speaker 1: There is no doubt about it. But when we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about these two, they fed off each other's evil. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe that they were both equally responsible for what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And as far as Alex Cox goes, I've said it
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  Speaker 1: a million times. I believe he's the one that actually
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  Speaker 1: killed those kids. Now, I don't think he did it
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  Speaker 1: on his own. He did it on orders from Lori
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  Speaker 1: and Chad, but I think he's the one that actually
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  Speaker 1: carried out the brutal, disgusting act. Daybell's attorney also said
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  Speaker 1: he would present several experts in DNA, forensics, and pathology
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  Speaker 1: who would testify that it's impossible to determine what caused
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell's death and that none of Chad Daybell's DNA
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: was found with the children's bodies. Well, again, that's because
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: he might not have killed the kids with his own hands,
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  Speaker 1: but he was part of the conspiracy. And if you're
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: part of the conspiracy, you might as well have pulled
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  Speaker 1: the trigger. Pretty simple how this works. And that's why
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the prosecutors in the opening statement were talking about the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: NFL and giving the Chiefs as a reference. The whole
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: team wins, right? So everybody gets a ring. Well, here,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: flip the script. If they were all conspiring to kill
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  Speaker 1: these kids and to kill Tammy, and then that's what happens,
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  Speaker 1: they're all guilty. Some of Chad and Tammy Daybell's adult
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  Speaker 1: children will also testify about how Tammy Daybell was suffering
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  Speaker 1: from a number of maladies, but that she refused to
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  Speaker 1: see a doctor. instead treating her illnesses with herbs and
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  Speaker 1: oils at home. Chad Daybell was a member of the
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  Speaker 1: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and self-published fiction
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  Speaker 1: loosely based on its teachings. In fall of 2019, prosecutors say,
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  Speaker 1: he tried to fraudulently collect on his late wife's life
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  Speaker 1: insurance policy and Vallow continued to collect both children's Social
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  Speaker 1: Security benefits after they died. Chad Daybell pleaded not guilty
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  Speaker 1: to the charges, and the trial is expected to take
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: more than two months. Prosecutors said they will seek the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: death penalty if Daybell is convicted. Daybell's defense attorney, John Pryor,
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  Speaker 1: did not return phone calls, request, and comment. The judge
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  Speaker 1: has issued a gag order in the case, barring attorneys
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  Speaker 1: from talking to the media until the trial is over.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems like every single judge just issues a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: gag order from the very jump now. That's something that's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: going to have to be addressed by the Supreme Court
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: because I think a lot of these courts and judges
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: are taking advantage of the gag order and how it's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: supposed to be used. Not every judge, obviously, but when
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: the scope is just so broad, that's when it needs
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: to be addressed. And it seems like a lot of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: these gag orders are a bit overbroad. The Grimm story
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: began in the fall of 2019 when extended family members
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: reported the two children missing. and law enforcement officials launched
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: a search that spanned several states. The subsequent investigation took
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: several unexpected turns. Vallow and Chad Daybell were having an
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: affair when both of their spouses died unexpectedly, investigators said.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Vallow's husband was shot to death by her brother Alex
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  Speaker 1: Cox in Arizona in July of 2019. The brother told
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: police it was in self-defense. Oh yeah, self-defense, is it?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: And if you haven't watched the documentary on Netflix, Watch
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: it and you'll understand what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: There is no doubt that.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox assassinated Charles Vallow.
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  Speaker 2: Zero doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Several months later, in October 2019, Tammy Daybell died. Chad
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Daybell initially told police she was battling an illness and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: died in her sleep, but an autopsy later determined she
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: died of asphyxiation. Vallow and Chad Daybell married just two
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: weeks after Tammy Daybell died, surprising family members and drawing
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: suspicion from the authorities. Friends later told detectives that Vallow
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell believed that they had been reincarnated and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: were tasked with gathering people before a biblical apocalypse. Wood,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: said Chad Daybell, described both children as being possessed before
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: they disappeared and that he repeatedly predicted to friends that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell would soon die. The bodies of the children
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: were eventually found buried on Chad Daybell's property. Tylee Ryan's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: remains had been dismembered and burned, and JJ's remains were bound.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so it's going to be very interesting to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: see how Chad Daybell is going to progress from here
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: when it comes to his defense. And we'll be able
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: to get a little bit more of an idea of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: which way that defense is going to go later on
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  Speaker 1: today when the proceedings pick back up inside of the courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: And like usual, after the proceedings, we'll have a recap
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: of what went down throughout the day. But until then,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. And all
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box.