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Daniel Davis Deep Dive · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: From on fifty five KRCD talk station. A twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD talk station. It's that time of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Apploytment listening Daniel Davis Deep Dive retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Davis is a podcast called the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.
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  Speaker 1: You can find out wherever we get your podcasts. We
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  Speaker 1: are blessed to have him on the fifty five Cassee
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show every Tuesday at this time to talk about
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  Speaker 1: stuff and things, usually in the area of war and
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  Speaker 1: military activity. Welcome back, sir, It is a pleasure to
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  Speaker 1: have you on the fifty five Carsee Morning Show, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for having
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  Speaker 2: me back.
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  Speaker 1: What is and let's start. I know you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what I want to start with, so here you go,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Davis. I know you're capable of fielding your question
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  Speaker 1: from out in the world. The situation of the UN
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  Speaker 1: Security Council a thirteen vote for President Trump's twenty point
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  Speaker 1: peace plan for Gaza, and call it what you will,
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  Speaker 1: but as I read this, and as I understand it,
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  Speaker 1: no recognition of a Palestinian state, the requirement that hamas
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  Speaker 1: disarming the Gaza demilitarized as a first step. Then if
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  Speaker 1: you get to that part, then maybe we'll move on
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  Speaker 1: to what they'll call phase two. But for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: I found it interesting that the UN even approved this,
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  Speaker 1: and that Russia and or China didn't veto it, which
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  Speaker 1: they could have done. They abstained. So we have a
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  Speaker 1: thirteen to zero vote, which I can't remember the last
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  Speaker 1: time a pro US military strategy or US policy was
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  Speaker 1: fully embraced and not just shot down outright. Now, you
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  Speaker 1: can correct me on my history and my recollection, Daniel Davis,
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  Speaker 1: But what's your reaction to at least the UN approving this,
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  Speaker 1: because normally I find them to be a completely worth
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  Speaker 1: this organization.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just look at terms of what actually happened. There
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  Speaker 2: was the Trump's twenty point piece plan for the foundation
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  Speaker 2: of disagreement, and there is actually point number seventeen. There
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  Speaker 2: is a provision that leads to the eventual Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 2: So at least aspirationally is part of the deal, and
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  Speaker 2: aspiration is far from a concrete action plan, and so
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  Speaker 2: we'll see how.
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  Speaker 1: That works out.
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  Speaker 2: But the first issue is the fact that this was
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  Speaker 2: Trump's plan and it was agreed to by all these parties. However, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's always you know some however's here you have the
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  Speaker 2: opposition in the Israeli Cabinet led by a guy named Lieberman.
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  Speaker 2: You have Smotrich and some of these others definitely against it,
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  Speaker 2: like vehemently against it. They think that it's a betrayal
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  Speaker 2: of of Israel, that it lays the foundation, especially because
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  Speaker 2: of this international stabilization for us, it's supposed to come
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  Speaker 2: in and provide peace, et cetera. They're like that that's
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  Speaker 2: going to lay the foundation for our insecurity in the
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  Speaker 2: in the future. Then you have the Hamas side, and
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  Speaker 2: they just categorically rejected it, and they said, no, we
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  Speaker 2: don't agree with this because it doesn't give enough benefits
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  Speaker 2: and freedoms to the and guarantees for the Palacinating people,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Everybody seems to like it, accept the Israelis
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  Speaker 2: in the in the Hamas side. So I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: what to make of that. That's not entirely optimistic, but
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  Speaker 2: at least really relatively speaking, the ceasefire is holding the
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  Speaker 2: casually count in the Gaza strip as opposed to the
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  Speaker 2: West Bank, where by the way, violence is spiking to
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  Speaker 2: almost all time high levels, and let's not lose sight
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  Speaker 2: of that fact. But at least in the Gaza strip,
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  Speaker 2: things are relatively holding, and as long as there's one
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  Speaker 2: more day without violence or limited violence in it to
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  Speaker 2: one more day, there's a chance that we can bring
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  Speaker 2: permanent peace to the situation. But we are way far
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  Speaker 2: from this turning into peace. This is just as you
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  Speaker 2: just pointed out, this is relatively This is kind of
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  Speaker 2: like phase one and a half, and now we have
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  Speaker 2: to do the hard part of phase two and we'll
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  Speaker 2: see how it goes from there.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of disarming, you know, getting I understand the concept,
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  Speaker 1: how does one bring that about? Obviously very complicated, especially
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  Speaker 1: when Hamas does not want to disarm. It's the only
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  Speaker 1: mechanism they have to contain or maintain any control or power.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I guess it depends what the Palestinian
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  Speaker 1: people want by way of leadership. Of course, the physical
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  Speaker 1: space of Gaza. But how if they could achieve disarmament,
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  Speaker 1: would that come about giving Humas's resistance.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be incredibly difficult, and you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: have the participation, in cooperation of the Palestinian people And listen,
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  Speaker 2: this is one of the areas. I've several times under
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  Speaker 2: your show here talking about how I've been upset at
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli side because they have used a lot of
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  Speaker 2: violence against the people and they have not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: been straightforward with what they said and what they did, etc.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you right now, the Hummas they have
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  Speaker 2: to be put Lots of pressure has to be put
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  Speaker 2: on them, and primarily I think by the Arab Coalition
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  Speaker 2: and the Arab countries in there, because the longer they
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  Speaker 2: drag their feet and if they actually say, well, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to accept this, they.
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  Speaker 1: Have no leverage.
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  Speaker 2: All they can do is just be persistent and forget
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  Speaker 2: about trying to do anything that brings the war to
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  Speaker 2: an end and then bring more firepower on the people
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  Speaker 2: of Palestine. So they have nothing to gain except for
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  Speaker 2: a continuation of the war. And I really hope that
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  Speaker 2: both the Palestinian people and the Arabs and the area
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  Speaker 2: bring pressure on them to do exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing for them to gain and everything for the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian people to gain by them doing what they're supposed to.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if it turns out that way, but that's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest impediment in the near term.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean it's I want to draw a parallel
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  Speaker 1: to say something along the lines of will the Abraham
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  Speaker 1: Accords have gotten people to sort of put down their
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  Speaker 1: fighting words and agree to work together for a collective
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  Speaker 1: peace in the agreement in the region that coalition of
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  Speaker 1: I hope ever growing Arab countries. That's the pressure that
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  Speaker 1: can help bring to bear on Hamas in the area.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is that kind of a working coalition that
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  Speaker 1: can do that.
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  Speaker 2: It is, But we also bear in mind that especially
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  Speaker 2: the kingpin of this, the Saudi Arabia want they're willing
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  Speaker 2: to do that, but they also have pressure on the
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  Speaker 2: Israeli side because they said, listen, we'll expand the Abraham
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  Speaker 2: Accords and we'll talk more peace on that, but you
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  Speaker 2: have to at least provide a viable path to a
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood or freedom, and of course Israel doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: to do that. They've been categorically opposed. That's one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that the Israeli side is most opposed to
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  Speaker 2: in this UN deal because it has the aspiration toward that.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know how much pressure is the US
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  Speaker 2: going to bring on Israel to abide by their portion.
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  Speaker 2: How much will Saudi Rabi, who's meeting with Trump today,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, how much pressure will they put on
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  Speaker 2: the Hamas side to do what.
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  Speaker 1: They're supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: So lots of people want peace, and so the matter
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  Speaker 2: of how much pressure they're going to put on the
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  Speaker 2: two sides to bring this all together.
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  Speaker 1: So who would be the ones arming Hamas on a
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  Speaker 1: going forward basis? Given that you know, Iran's economy seems
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  Speaker 1: to be collapsing, They're going to have to move the
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  Speaker 1: capital because of lack of water. Of course, the sanctions,
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  Speaker 1: international pressure. I'm just where are they going to continue
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  Speaker 1: to get their hardware?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that listen, as long as there's money involved
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  Speaker 2: and there's a hatred of Israel, that weapons will be found.
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  Speaker 2: There's ways they can get smuggled in. You just can't
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  Speaker 2: stop everything, and people are motivated, they will find a
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  Speaker 2: way to get things done. So there's enough people that
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  Speaker 2: hate Israel around the world and there's there's money and
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  Speaker 2: weapons are gonna find their way in there one or
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  Speaker 2: the other point.
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  Speaker 1: Point while taking understood, just needed to be on the
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  Speaker 1: record on that real quick. Here Manuel McCrone planning on
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  Speaker 1: sending one hundred fighter jets to Zelenski over the next
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  Speaker 1: ten years. Ukrainian is still demanding more Tomahawks. That this
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  Speaker 1: is the same conversation you haven't heaven for weeks, Daniel Davis.
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  Speaker 1: Is ain't gonna help anything, is it? No, it is.
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  Speaker 2: And I actually made that point on my show this
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  Speaker 2: week already that this is this is an extension of
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  Speaker 2: the things that we're doing that don't help, because we've
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  Speaker 2: had the you know, it's gonna be the the attackings,
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  Speaker 2: the long range, and it was gonna be the storm Shadow,
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  Speaker 2: then it was gonna be the F sixteen's that's what
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  Speaker 2: was good and none of them made any difference here
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  Speaker 2: and now talking about just a different kind of jet,
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  Speaker 2: that's not the problem. That's not where uh Israel, that's
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  Speaker 2: not where the Ukraine sides problems are. In fact, it
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  Speaker 2: was a great piece I think it was last Friday
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  Speaker 2: by Julian Rupke, a German, a journalist who's been covering
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  Speaker 2: this war from the beginning, one of the best, most accurate,
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  Speaker 2: definitely pro Ukraine, but he's also accurate in most of
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  Speaker 2: his stuff, and he had a piece where he just said,
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  Speaker 2: let's call this what it is Ukraine is on a
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  Speaker 2: path to a strategic defeat. They will not win if
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  Speaker 2: they keep going in they self delusion, both Ukraine government
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  Speaker 2: and their military and the Western people. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the things he pointed out was you're not doing the
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  Speaker 2: things that actually matter on the battlefield. He said, send
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  Speaker 2: in like millions of drones, not these big high tech
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  Speaker 2: weapons systems. That that's not where the fots wonder lost
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  Speaker 2: on the battlefield. It's with the drone situation. And he said,
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  Speaker 2: Russia has a huge advantage and it's growing, and we're
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  Speaker 2: we're tinkering around with jets over ten years. I no,
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  Speaker 2: come on, man, that's humiliating and it's embarrassing, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just helping for Ukraine to lose.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I laugh over that point, but that's I
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  Speaker 1: really literally laugh when I saw that over ten years,
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  Speaker 1: because it goes back to the reality of it's every
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  Speaker 1: missile system there is, there's a finite amount in a
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  Speaker 1: limit number of places they can go in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and this seemingly unlimited demand for all this hardware.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so and you know you know how long
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  Speaker 2: it's going to take to train these pilots up. You
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  Speaker 2: remember when we authorize the F sixteens. When Biden did,
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  Speaker 2: it was like somewhere around nine months or maybe even
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  Speaker 2: longer before they could get their pilots trained up on
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  Speaker 2: the F sixteen. Now you've got to start a whole
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  Speaker 2: new one. Unless something's been going on behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: that we don't know about. You're talking about multiple months
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  Speaker 2: just to get them to get in the cockpit effectively
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  Speaker 2: and then operate the weapons systems there.
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  Speaker 1: So this is just ridiculous in my view, cold harsh reality,
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  Speaker 1: as we always expect from Daniel Davis. Retireling Colonel Daniel Davis.
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  Speaker 1: Find him where you find your podcast, look for the
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Davis Deep Dive, Love the conversation. Someday we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have some great positive news toward peace, Daniel, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: waiting for that day. Yeah, wait for it next Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: maybe Ed. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Much love, brother,
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  Speaker 1: will heavy great week, my friend. Eight thirty eight fifty
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