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An Occult and/or Esoteric Review of "The Golden Child" · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen? Howard, Folks, your host Double J
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  Speaker 2: eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. Anyhow, Folks, once
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  Speaker 2: again your host Double J here, I will be your
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  Speaker 2: pilot navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused journey into the mind
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  Speaker 2: of this particular garbage dude. Got a real barn burner
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  Speaker 2: on deck for you, folks here tonight and we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: go through a in a cult and oresoteric review of
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece starring Eddie Murphy The
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  Speaker 2: Golden Child. And joining me here tonight is Nick from
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  Speaker 2: the Occult Rejects. Nick Welcome, Welcome sir.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on? Man? Thank you very much?
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  Speaker 2: And fellow oh for sure, and fellow Occult Rejects Cosmic Pete,
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  Speaker 2: Julia and Jen the Ninja.
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  Speaker 3: How what's up?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Operation GCD. Jen and Julia welcome, you've
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  Speaker 2: been on. We've done Fridays, I think Together, and some
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  Speaker 2: other shows, but this is your your first Operation GCD experience,
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  Speaker 2: so welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the grass is greener over here. I think I
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  Speaker 4: like it. I like the air over here nice.
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  Speaker 2: I like green grass. I think Nick, Nick your graves
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  Speaker 2: me on that one. He knows what I'm talking about. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: so the I'm glad to hear this came together in
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  Speaker 2: an unofficial fashion, in such a fantastic way because quite honestly,
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  Speaker 2: this one out of tonight's show reviewing The Golden Child,
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  Speaker 2: and folks aren't familiar with the film. I will be
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  Speaker 2: playing a brief trailer here for us, and before we
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  Speaker 2: dive into any of the details. I found the original
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  Speaker 2: trailer that was the I guess it was from early
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six because it came out in December of
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  Speaker 2: eighty six. I believe the film did. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's a great it's a great trailer from it's a
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  Speaker 2: perfect eighties trailer. So, and it does a great job.
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  Speaker 2: It actually explains the story in the narrative of the plotline,
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  Speaker 2: whereas today's trailers do none of that. There's so many
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  Speaker 2: trailers I watch today I'm like, what the fuck's this
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  Speaker 2: movie even about? Man?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, everything, Yeah, I mean, and it's quite honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the formula in which Hollywood makes films today.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one example. Don't want to go off on
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  Speaker 2: too big of a tangent, but one example. There was
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  Speaker 2: a film about ten years ago. It was a Spanish
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  Speaker 2: language film even, and it was supposed to be a
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  Speaker 2: trauma film and it was apparently this you know, they
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  Speaker 2: put a lot of money into it, so for some
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  Speaker 2: reason they wanted to try to save it. So it
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  Speaker 2: was gonna be completely shit canned in the studio called in,
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was Keanu Reeves to come in for
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  Speaker 2: two weeks film a bunch of sea.
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  Speaker 3: Oh shit listening, show.
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  Speaker 4: Throws on your own, show My.
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  Speaker 2: Back, My Back, where I cut out romance drama Keanu Reeves. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they called in Keanu to film like two weeks of
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  Speaker 2: ship and they changed into a crime, some sort of
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  Speaker 2: crime thriller. They went from romance drama to crime thriller
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  Speaker 2: from two different languages. As I'm just saying, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of films are very formulaic, and this in this day
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  Speaker 2: and age, when they can pull off of stunt like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone solid in the theaters anyway. But nonetheless,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, until the last two weeks of filming,
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  Speaker 2: it was a it was a Spanish language romance, you
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  Speaker 2: know film, and then they brought in Keanu and made
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  Speaker 2: it some sort of crime thriller, you know, in English speaking,
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  Speaker 2: so again you know they don't. You know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting at is, you know, I think there was a
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  Speaker 2: certain craft to filmmaking still in the eighties, not only
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  Speaker 2: just the writing as I'm pointing out, and plot lines
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  Speaker 2: and the trailers even described these fucking films, but the
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  Speaker 2: you're rubbing off on me, Julia with with all your
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  Speaker 2: cursing like a sailor, I feel like I have to
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  Speaker 2: curse the uh the I mean, I'm an old retired
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  Speaker 2: senior Master sartant, so I'm I'm sorry, Masters sarten senior
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  Speaker 2: and CEO from the Air Force, so it doesn't take
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  Speaker 2: me much. But I'm not a sailor. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's about the same language, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I barely had to push you in that direction.
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  Speaker 2: That's what That's what I'm saying. I didn't I did
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  Speaker 2: that between years in the Air Force, right, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a navy, but it's the same difference, I suppose.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 2: But also I think this film was great in the
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  Speaker 2: special effects right.
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  Speaker 4: For the eighties, Yeah, it was, I think.
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  Speaker 2: So pretty monumental, you know, achievements I think they did
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  Speaker 2: with some real time special effects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like when the guy goes to like meditate and
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  Speaker 3: the bad guy shows up and like everything blows away
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  Speaker 3: and it's just yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's yeah, there's a lot of those things right.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 6: To riff off your point, JJ, which I think is
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  Speaker 6: really good is there's a technical aspect of filmmaking, obviously
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  Speaker 6: because they were using actual cameras, actual celluloid And I
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  Speaker 6: think that that plays a big part in technical craftsmanship
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  Speaker 6: because if you don't do something, how would you know
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  Speaker 6: how to do it. So if you're relying on digital,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm not an anti digital, especially for the early
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  Speaker 6: two thousands, I think it was really cool. There's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of shows that like have that interesting like darker
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  Speaker 6: blue kind of filter that you can only really do
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  Speaker 6: with digital, like handicams, and I think that that was innovative.
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  Speaker 6: But I think really this is something totally different. This
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  Speaker 6: is like that, I think this is why you like it.
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  Speaker 6: I think this is why I like it. And it's
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  Speaker 6: and I think it's why Julia likes that and also Nick.
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  Speaker 6: Because it's like something classic, it's something that we all
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  Speaker 6: can refer to. There's like a grammar. It's very coherent
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  Speaker 6: as a film language.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, I'm anti said yeah, so I definitely do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, you know what I would compare it to.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a lot of the movies that come out recently.
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  Speaker 4: It's like I think I heard somebody else say this too,
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  Speaker 4: but the Marvel movies and stuff like that, it's like
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  Speaker 4: it's like going to a theme park and you ride
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  Speaker 4: the rides and you woo and then it's over with.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas movies in the eighties and before that, obviously, and
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  Speaker 4: even some movies in the nineties maybe early two thousands,
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  Speaker 4: they were more like a story. They were more like
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  Speaker 4: an experience, like a you get like enthralled with it,
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  Speaker 4: you and it's like it takes you on a journey,
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  Speaker 4: whereas now it's like kind of just bread and circusy
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  Speaker 4: type stuff. It's like, just fill your mind with this
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  Speaker 4: garbage and be happy.
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  Speaker 1: With it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, for sure, it's terrible, right they just
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  Speaker 2: call it in with writing. Yeah, that's what I was
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  Speaker 2: getting that when you can just call on Keanu and
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  Speaker 2: change your entire language of your film and genre of
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  Speaker 2: your film in two weeks, Like clearly there's a formula
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  Speaker 2: these films, right, great?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the comedy was better back then.
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  Speaker 4: Like don't get me wrong, I like super Bad and
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  Speaker 4: like Jet Appatole movies. I like that kind of comedy
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  Speaker 4: because I'll watch that stuff too, Pineapple Express, But there
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  Speaker 4: was something about like the eighties comedy that was like
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  Speaker 4: a full belly laugh. Like I hate to even say it,
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  Speaker 4: but eighties movies that I grew up on were like
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  Speaker 4: The Burbs and Money Pit. I know Tom Jinks is
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  Speaker 4: a shithead, but like those movies made me laugh so
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  Speaker 4: All Eddie Murphy movies made me laugh so hard, And
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  Speaker 4: when I go back and watch them again even now,
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  Speaker 4: I'm still laughing at the same like five jokes, just
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  Speaker 4: over and over again, like they're still so funny.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things I love about this movie
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  Speaker 2: is that he plays Axel Foley basically, so it's like
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  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Cop but he's an LA private detective solving
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  Speaker 2: satanic you know, you know, kidnapping by a satanic cold
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  Speaker 2: of a young girl. He has some fighting demons, this
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  Speaker 2: little Tibetan kid that turns out to be a girl.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was a boy in the film terms
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  Speaker 2: of be a girl, not trance. Yeah, it's a girl.
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  Speaker 2: That's a girl. That's a girl. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: I want to spoiler alert. They don't tell you that
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  Speaker 2: in the film though. I just found that out actually
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  Speaker 2: not that long ago. I pop up my YouTube feed, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, where are they now? You know, Golden Golden Child,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and Eddie Murphy's looking rough, but I like
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  Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy in the early eighties, you know. And again
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  Speaker 2: they're like they were like, hey, this is the boy
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  Speaker 2: from the Golden Child. I'm like, that's a girl. They're
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, And I was like, oh, that's trans he
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  Speaker 2: was a girl the entire time. I'm like, well, that's bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know whoa.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well I did not know that. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 4: fun fact. I could have swore it was a boy.
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  Speaker 2: But before I before I played the trailer and uh
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  Speaker 2: turned it over. Before I turned over to you off
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  Speaker 2: for any any other comments here to start off the show,
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  Speaker 2: did you?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: I just want to point out this is my favorite
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  Speaker 2: era of Murphy, like you were saying there, Julia, like
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  Speaker 2: later Murphy I could do without, you know, pre pre
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  Speaker 2: trans hooker Murphy. You know, I remember that incident in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties. Were suddenly Eddie Murphy's associating with all these
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  Speaker 2: transgendered hookers on the streets of l A. And then
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  Speaker 2: he gets busted by the tabloids. Actually he gets busted
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  Speaker 2: by Entrew Breitbart. He's the one he busted, broke that story.
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  Speaker 2: And then suddenly these uh Eddie's friends, Eddie's transgendered hooker
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  Speaker 2: friends are getting thrown off the tops of buildings all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, strange tale strange.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was the uh like Boomerang and Vampire
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  Speaker 4: in Brooklyn, and like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it was every yeah, everything, I'm good with everything.
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  Speaker 4: Before that, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever you got into around that time. And to be
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  Speaker 2: honest with you, I think the reason a lot of
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  Speaker 2: eighties films, a lot of eighties comedies were so good
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  Speaker 2: is cocaine.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe Harlom Knights.
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  Speaker 2: Very cocaine field. No, I think all these productions like
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  Speaker 2: very Cocaine Field. In fact, Tonight's Tonight's production The Golden
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  Speaker 2: Child is only you have a one degree of separation
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  Speaker 2: from Bob Cocaine Evans. Hmmm, the production of this film.
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  Speaker 2: So you're talking Hollywood and you're talking cocaine Field nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighties films. This is right in the epicenter of that wheelhouse. Because,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, it's it's ultimately the green it's the
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  Speaker 2: green light of the film from Paramount Pictures is the
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  Speaker 2: guy that Bob Evans hires to replace him there when
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  Speaker 2: he gets he gets independent producer role on the lot
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  Speaker 2: until eighty one when he gets popped for them cocaine
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  Speaker 2: trafficking charges and then his buddy Barry Diller throws them
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  Speaker 2: off a lot as the legend goes, and Barry Diller
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  Speaker 2: is a very important character. But yeah, he's he was Bob,
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  Speaker 2: Bob Cocaine Bob's underling.
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  Speaker 4: So well, I before you play the trailer there, I
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  Speaker 4: just have to say two things. I get exactly what
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  Speaker 4: you're saying. But there is a movie he made later
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  Speaker 4: in life that's called Life. Do you remember that one?
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  Speaker 4: He was older?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was Martin Lawrence.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's still one of my Yeah, still one of
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  Speaker 4: my faves. I know he was kind of on his
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  Speaker 4: way out at the time, but I still love that
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  Speaker 4: movie and unpopular opinion, I actually think his brother is
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  Speaker 4: funnier than he is. Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: Well please, while you're still there talking to Julie, please
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  Speaker 2: introduce your show since I didn't give you the proper
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  Speaker 2: time or to do that thus far.
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  Speaker 4: Oh well thanks. Yeah, I have Cosmic Peach podcasts available wherever.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really happy to be here tonight because I've been
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  Speaker 4: looking for somebody to cover this movie with me for
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  Speaker 4: two years now, and either no one's interested, or they
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  Speaker 4: haven't seen it, or they don't understand why I think
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  Speaker 4: it's significant. But so when you mentioned it the other night,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, if you don't let me on that one,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to cry and just be in the comments,
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  Speaker 4: shitting on you guys the whole time. I should have
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  Speaker 4: been on this one. Fucking you guys.
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  Speaker 2: I was excited to see that you were so into
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  Speaker 2: it because this is one of my favorite films and
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  Speaker 2: we kind of we did Big Trouble a Little China
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  Speaker 2: a few months ago, and the kind of the spinoff
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  Speaker 2: of that is we decided to do this because this
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  Speaker 2: was the competing Hollywood project too Big Trouble, Little China,
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  Speaker 2: and share some of the same actors as Big Trouble
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  Speaker 2: Little China, not just Victor Wong, who had a very
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  Speaker 2: great year. He might have had the best year in
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood for an Asian actor north of fifty years old.
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  Speaker 2: He was, He won that year that category.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't he chang in the in Trimmors?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he's the grandfather in the Three Ninjas trilogy,
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  Speaker 2: which was a big part of my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I loved Trimors when I was little. And then when
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  Speaker 4: I was doing the notes today, I was like, I
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  Speaker 4: put in the side note, I said, did anyone else
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  Speaker 4: realize that the old guy is changed from Trimmers?
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  Speaker 2: That old guy, Maam is egg Chen. Egg Chen's a legend.
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  Speaker 2: He did and he killed it in this one too.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, for sure, one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: He was.
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  Speaker 2: He was killing it in nineteen eighty six, a big
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  Speaker 2: year that year. So and Nick Jen before we play
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  Speaker 2: the trailer and start to start the show here and
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  Speaker 2: he may offer you any comments and what are you
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  Speaker 2: all working on over there at the Cult reach S, Nick,
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  Speaker 2: I know you're you're pumping out new new shows every
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: day of the Occult All was just out today.
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  Speaker 3: Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, they Cult Elvis. That was fun. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: that was really interesting. Julie was there for that as well. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you were there.
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  Speaker 2: I was there. I've seen too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally forgot. I'm burnt. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good show though, I really I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't got a chance to re listen to it,
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: but the first time I listened to when I was there,
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  Speaker 2: it was a good show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It spread off to Tuesday World.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that is Tuesday Weld. I really liked that show.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good one. I was just as excited
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: when you brought up Tuesday Weld as you were sounding
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  Speaker 2: like as you were excited when I brought up The
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  Speaker 2: Golden Child.
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  Speaker 4: It's a full circle moment here, really Occult Rejects. It's
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  Speaker 4: a full circle. We're the dream team at this point.
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  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. Oh, we got some
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  Speaker 3: Red Hefer stuff coming out this week, so nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: some stuff with you did with Broadcasting Seeds. We got
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  Speaker 3: that coming out Friday for people listening now and over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend we will have for audio listeners. Then you
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  Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be watching now, but we've got morm and
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a great series. Jen. Jen's involved in
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  Speaker 2: that one, Archie Jen. What's what's going on over there?
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  Speaker 8: Gen?
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  Speaker 2: You haid? Now is a ninja you're doing ninja stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Nie JJ, But thank you so much for inviting you.
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  Speaker 6: I'd love to do especially it's their cinema. Oh call reviews.
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  Speaker 6: This is obviously our second one, and of course my
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 6: So I have a I have two notes actually, so
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  Speaker 6: i'll do those at the end. So this is one
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  Speaker 2: I was just saying that that just came up right.
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  Speaker 6: That's right, So I have a note about that, so
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  Speaker 6: big thanks for that. But okay, so note about Tuesday Welds.
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  Speaker 6: So I think what this is. When I was watching
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  Speaker 6: the episode, I was so excited. Best episode. I think
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  Speaker 6: this is the sometimes that's translated as the Virgin Horror,
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  Speaker 6: but it can also be trans understood as the Princess
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: of the klipas So there's a.
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: That's a literal virgin, right Jen, Yes, like that because yeah,
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: because it was all about sex magic, right, So you
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: had but Tuesday would have never participated physically.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: If that, I'm just saying, if she fills that archetype,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: there's no.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I hear you. I was just being a smart ass.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: So this is a totally right, You're totally right. No, No,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: you're totally right.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: I just was meaning that if she embodies that concept,
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: that's why she remained one reason.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Maybe you could say then the other ones did end?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Would you would you say, this is a powerful position
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: within a occult network what you're describing.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she would have.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: It would have been like the highest of the highest. Interesting,
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: it would have been like the person who channeled whatever
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: they're channeling.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Would you be like considering it, like I'm trying to
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: understand the it's the type of feminine. Would it be
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: more of like an empress card instead of netsuck is
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: kind of getting in?
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it's more eusotic with a little hode maybe.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Like she was all right, it's the room released.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: Well, I think that until she got married, she had
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: to maintain a like degree of virginity.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that she wasn't involved in sexual things.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that what she did I actually kind of knows.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: I'll just say.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: It is that I think what she was directed the
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: sexual activities of other people. That's how I would understand
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: it in a more technical way. Obviously, I don't think
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: of things as sex magic or whatever. I've just been
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: looking at it more technically, so I think she would
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: sort of channel the tikini or whatever they're doing. The
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: feminine divine force, by her mind is virginal, so she
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: doesn't you know, she's not the horror. Particularly, she's a
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: virgin horror. So she'd maybe direct sexual actions of people
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: around her, but she's not herself.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Well that aged describe Tuesday Well's activity. She's very much
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the director.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: A p diddyot his buddy.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: It's like how cocaine Bob Evans brought together the lovely
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: couple of Room and Polanski and Sharon Tate in nuptials,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: only for Sharon Tate to you know her on Townly Demise.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I often wonder was that the plan going in.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Somebody pulling the strings behind.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And that that is correct me. I mean, I would
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: say that's Tuesday. Well, and I'm glad you brought that
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: up there, Jen, because tonight's discussion includes satannic cold activity
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: in and around Los Angeles, California, which is where she'd
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: be pulling them strings from. So and I think there's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: a good tie into that to that old see with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this whole film, not as much as the comparison and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I just did here with a dragonet and the comparison
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of the processed church activities and around Los Angeles Sirra
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. I highly recommend that, but there'll be more
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: satanic cold activity and weird blood rituals. But on that note,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: we will watch the trailer here and get back to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: uh unpacking these ideas here.
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: In one moment, every thousand generations, a perfect child is born,
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: a child with magical.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Powers, a child sent to bring good into the world,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a good child.
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: And now this child has been kidnapped by the forces
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: of evil, as foretold by the Nietzschel Oracle. Only one
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: man can find him, only one man can rescue him.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: He is a man from the city of the Angels.
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: He is a man who does what he's writing to,
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: a brave man, a true man.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It is his destiny to save the Golden Child. He
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is flood chosen plot.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: If I'm the chosen one, how come I'm freezing while
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: you're sitting in a one movie theater. I'm going back
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: to la and kicking somebody's bahar. This isn't supposed to
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: be happening to me, chosen one, my barhar?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Why can somebody choose me to go to the Bahamas?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Hawaii?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Is nice?
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: You can send me to Vegas a chosen one?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I love it right. It describes the whole movie and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the plotlint of the film, and and he breaks the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: fourth wall, which is which I thought was great.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: But it's also like when it starts the beginning and
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: all the serious stuff like who wouldn't want to watch
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: that movie?
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Very yeah, it's so mysterious you want to see more,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: And then it's in with the comedy. I mean, geez,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: what else can you ask for?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Definitely grasp your attention to mely right, m m. It
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: turns out that's not too bad. That's Mammoth Lakes, California.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: But strangely enough, they did a great job of that too.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Well, I do want to point out this is obviously
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: one of my notes. But the idea of the Golden Child,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: right off the bat, this is this is an actual
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: Buddhist idea, but it is also a theosophical idea.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: So I just want to be very clear that when.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: I'm going to discuss that, I'm going to refer to
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: actual Buddhist ideas, but I'm aware of the theosophical ideas
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: as well, And I'm not saying it's bad because it's theosophical.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: I think we're a way, we're all kind of past that,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: you know, we can look at things for you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: the values are truth that they may hold or the false.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Said sure, sure, but obviously a lot of this falls
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: around the ideas of Tibetan Buddhism as the main character
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: here Axel Foley they call actual, they call them you
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: know something else in this film, but it's clearly Axle
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: fully and Chandler Jerl Chandler Jerald right, which is a nod.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I guess to the the story that this is kind
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: of based off of this crime nor story that involves Tibet.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So I guess he went through some rewrites in Hollywood
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: but end up including which I think is interesting because
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it didn't initially include a satanic cult. That was something
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: they added on along the way.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Well, this is what's interesting to me. And when I
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: cover movies, I usually try to like go from the
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: opening scene all the way through the body of the
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: movie to the title or the end sequence whatever. Yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: and so h my first note is that it opens
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: up in Tibet, and the significance of Tibet. I feel
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: like it's kind of obvious, just because there have been
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: so many occultists who were inspired or channeled beings that
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: were from Tibet, including Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, Alice Bailey.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: They all said that they channeled beings, Tibetan beings, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: there was even an expedition. Hitler actually put together this
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: expedition and it was like some of the best soldiers
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: he had, and he sent them to Tibet and that's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: where they brought back the sigill Er symbol of the swastika,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: and they hijacked it to do what they did with it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: But so Hitler, Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, and Alice Bailey
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: all had an obsession with Tibet, and so I am.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Richer Year, Brad Peg, you know. I mean the list
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: goes on, right, the list goes on. Yes, there is
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a strange fascination with the you know Tibet.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I'll add this because obviously I practiced Paultreana,
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: so I will say it's it's sorcery.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, if you're interested in.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Magic, it's a it's a really great system and it
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: combined Buddhist but it's all Buddhist ideas, so you're not
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: really doing wizards, right, So you're you're using your mind,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: You're using the conceptual ideas of sorcery, especially like that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: You know, every we always laugh.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: I always tease, like the dharma practitioners who aren't Asian
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: because obviously I'm half half, so we call them Westoids.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: So I'm just gonna use that really quickly. But it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: not in a pejorative, but there.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Is sounds like it. Bro, what are you talking about
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: that pejorative?
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: Well, it's because I'm a west Joy too, really, right,
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: because like you.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Know your self identify Westwood. It just sounds it sounds
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: like a negative you know, some sort of negative derogatory statement.
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: Right, you're absolutely, but I think that we I think
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: that I like the idea that it could be like
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: you could say the word is like just a vessel
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: that it can contain, like any idea that we want.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: So I'm like being very discordion I guess by alf
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: preferentially using.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It, I'm not gonna lie to you. Jen you could
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: convince me you just made that word up. I have
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: no idea. The first time I've.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: Ever heard it, so it's very online. It's very like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: probably is it keno? It isn't keno keno? It definitely
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: me that word too recently. I still haven't really grasped
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: the concept. That's why to keep asking, is that keyno?
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: You know?
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: So you know you always say it's like it's true keno.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: That's the real that's the real way to do it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: And if you're really cool like me, you do the
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: you you do with a V, so you do like
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: true keno, but it's all lowercase, and then you do
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: like ko ki n o.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: That's like I appreciate, but I'm not sure if I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: any closer to understanding what is or it's not, you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I probably can continue to ask these questions.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: It just means is it really aesthetic? Is it beautiful?
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Is it like capturing I kind of the light has
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: to be captured in a specific way. You can almost say,
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: a realistic way. There's like filtered through like layers of
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: maybe their gradients of color on the screen. So it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: like anything that's really beautiful, like a sunset, can be
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: very key. Now that doesn't have to be on screen.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I think I'd be cracking. I have a very keynote
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: scene on deck here forced in a few minutes from
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the film. I think, I think when I bring it up,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I think you'll know what I'm talking about. So this
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the film goes into bed right, so we already automatically
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: right off the start of the film we see this
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Tibetan Buddhism is the is the root of this the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: story with this this young child right they you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're he's hanging out in the temple right
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: when we gets when he gets uh, what do we
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: call it? Kidnapped or budd and apt? What do we
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: call on this?
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kidnapped?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Isn't it a buddh alert on everyone's cell phones?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Golden napped?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Well, getting my deities mixed up?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Jen?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Is it not at alert?
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: He you could say he's a he's like a tolku,
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: which Tolku is like a reincarnated lama. It's like a
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: lama from a previous rebirth or or a saint.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Or a Maha sitter or an accomplished master.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: And so not all schools of Tibetan Buddhism believe in it,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: but this film in particular is very syncretic. Now it
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: is really important to know that the consultant Ken McLeod
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: wrote a like it's famous Invadriana circle, so he wrote
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: the Magic of Adriana, so he he gets it. He
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: even says like I have the wisdom and understanding like
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: he that's the exact words he uses. So he gets it,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: like he's like he's in that clear you whatever he
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: calls it like a lot of the time anyway, So
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: he did not train in the specific school that practices
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: excuse me, sorry, that believes in Tolku's But obviously it's
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: drawing from multiple different schools of Buddhism. So you can
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: see this in the first scene with the yellow hats.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: So this is the majority sect, this is the Gologus school.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: So when they're wearing the yellow tall yellow hats, that
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: signifies usually what school they belong to. And it's also
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: interesting to note that the Yellow Hats, the Yellow Hat
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Shamans are also of a faction of Shamans in Mongolia.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: So a lot of this has like Mongolian kind of
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: like central it's very Central Asian the whole thing. It's
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: not just Tibetan, Like Tibet used to be a huge
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: empire right at one time. So that's why it's kind
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: of like it was a large land like that range
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: really from Mongolia, Manchuria well into almost Western Asia.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: So is this a yellow Hats you speak of? Anything
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: new with the yellow Dragons, Well, it is interesting the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: gang we see later in the film, it certainly could
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: have you. No, Temmy Tongks runs the place down at the.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Restaurant, Well, there's is clearly like an overlap. I think.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: I think there's like a motif like dragons are not
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: they're they're they're usually auspicious, meaning like lucky, so they're
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: not inauspicious, but there are a symbol of like power
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: and strength, and so yeah, dragons, and.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So we've got a lot of dragons here, and I
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: don't we a lot of naugas for sure. You even
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: have a half dragon half lady.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, there is one. Well, you know what it
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: reminded me of actually, just hearing Gin talk about it
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: a little bit, I'm like halfway retarded when it comes
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: to like anything other than just like the basics of
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: like Buddhism, this that like I've studied like the surface
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: level of stuff. But what it reminded me of was,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: did you ever watch Avatar The Last Airbender? And it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: like this kid that keeps getting reincarnated and he's got
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: like all the power and they have to train him
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and he's born every like one hundred years or something
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: like that. It reminded me a lot of the story
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: of the Golden Child. For anybody else who watched that show.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I liked it when it was like a nineties Nickelodeon thing.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah I'm doing right now, Julia. That's so really yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that is what he is. That's a very
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: good understanding of like.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: He's an Airbender.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: He's he's like a.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Rebirth of someone who had you could say, quote unquote
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: magical powers. We would call them like cities or like
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: spiritual accomplishments more than magic powers. And so he's a
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: reincarnated into a Golden child, So that's worth exploring. But
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: I'll let I'll let you decide where you want to
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: take a JJ. But I'm ready with that when you want.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: To go there.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get back for sure. I appreciate that, Jim.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: We'll get back to Tibet and chronological order from the film.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I think because they kidnap, we don't really understand who
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: this child is, the Golden Child, right, we just see him.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: We go there. It starts off into Bet like you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: point out, Julia, and then this kid gets kid he
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: gets booed and apt and then next thing you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: he's in Los.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Angeles and that's where we get introduced to Chandler Jerrell,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: who is Eddie Murphy. And yeah, well I do have
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: a just I like to point out though, some of
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: the funniest parts in the movie. As we go along
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and the opening of that, you know, it shows like
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: the Hollywood Sign and you know, like, okay, we're no
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: longer in ti Bet. This is the transition. Now we're
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: in Hollywood, and it just shows to him walking down
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: the street and he comes up behind a guy reading
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: chunky asses at.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: The we don't have those anywhere doing the old newsstands right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I just thought I've always thought that was one of
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: the funniest parts of the movie. He's like ass pie, right.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, yo. When I watched it recently, I
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: was like, I.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Don't remember that, chunky asses.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't remember that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Because this is the moment where we first meet Chandler Jerrold.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I have in my notes here. I looked at all
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: the names, but this is the only name that kind
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: of stood out to me, Chandler. That name means candle maker,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: so I don't know if that's significant, but maybe. But
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: his last name, Jeral, means spear ruler or rule by
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the spear. So we have two different things that kind
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: of make sense for why his name might be Chandler
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Jerrel because he's like the chosen one. Maybe he's like
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the light in the dark place. He's, you know, the
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: candle and then he's the spear ruler, and then we
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: get in we see the spear later on in the movie.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think, you know, even down to the names,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: you can kind of pull cool stuff.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Out of that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: So to payback or to reff i'll call it reffing,
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: but it was a great point. And so the spear
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: wielding thing is really interesting because I also noted that,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: and because that is the golden child. So in especially
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: in theosophy, So the golden Child is based off of
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: the Puranic figures.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: When I'm saying Piranhas, that's.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: A kind of Hindu scripture that written between about the
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: first century eighty till about the tenth century. See, so
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: these aren't the vitas, but this is what more, this
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: is what modern Hinduism really is based on. So what
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: people call Hinduism now is not really Vedic. It's really
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: based on kiranas, which is fine, nothing wrong with that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: So there's a Shiva, So everybody knows Siva's he's blue,
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: he's ferocious, he has three lines on his forehead. They
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: worship him usually with a lingam, meaning like it's kind
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: of a phallic stone. Anyways, he has a son with
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: his wife, whose name is Shokti sometimes, and they have
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: a son named Kumara, which literally means the sun. So
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: he wields a spear in his right hand. Now, the
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: reason why he does this is very important because he
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: throws away the left hand texts into sort of the
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: primordial water where they get swallowed by a giant whale.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: So there's an idea here that the kumara, so a
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: person who is thus reborn, but it's really an avatar
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: of this deity, can retrieve these left hand path techts,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: thus unifying synthesizing you could say the world tree or
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: the universe or conceptual mind with like nonconceptual thinking. Like
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: it's like a theosophical kind of like christ consciousness sort
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: of idea, Like they're talking about it like it could
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: be literal, but then there's also an idea that it
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: could also be maybe just a process of consciousness.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure, you know one again.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: What's this theosophical stuff? You guys keep coming on? I
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: saw you shake your head, Nick, What was this? What's
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: all this business about?
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: And I just thought that was interesting getting into narcissism.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think it's interesting about that?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: So thinking about covering that myself recently.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that's interesting? Let's give to
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the story here, the narrative of the tales of the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Golden Child. You know, it's a cult understanding of these things, right,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: because that is this concept of a golden child. Is
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: that in the theosophical folklore literature.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Well, this stuff is I would think the.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Jin well, it's definitely in theosophy, like it's sheep bulbots heats, definitely.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Alice Bailey definitely.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Talks about it like next suit the Golden child, right, yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: and there's a it's a gnostic idea too, it's the
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: seth or the atom, although in this case it's really
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: the seth because Seth is the sun. Right, So this
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: is like a child, so they can't be generative, meaning
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: that like a father is a fully masculine force, he's generative,
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: but a son isn't necessarily generative depending on their age.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: So that's why they that's why they call it a child.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: So I mean when when you guys have covered like
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: the you know, we always talk about archetypes and how
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: it's so important magic that people embody certain traits. While
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: child can be both male and female. In a way,
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: it's heard they're hermetic by themselves because they're non generative
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: because they're child. So it's kind of like the perfect
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: vessel if you want to think of it in a
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: really theosophical way. The golden vessel is like if you
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: look at Catholic images. I've talked to Nick about this
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: million times, but like the Sacred Heart images I talked
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: to you JJ million times about this. But the sacred
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: Heart image is the perfect idea of it. It's the
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: golden heart. So that's the golden vessel, the golden child,
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: and the kumara. So the idea is that you have.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: You're talking like a rosen Krucian heart. Is that what
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: we're come on.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: The roads are very similar.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: It's all very interrelated, like there's a I think there's
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: deep connections to all these things. I mean, I personally
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: look at everything more axial or I don't like the
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: word perennial, but sometimes people understand what I'm talking about.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: What if I call it that?
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I think they're all interrelated, and I think
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: theosophy is lifting like a superficial layer and they're making connections.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I don't all agree.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: With them, but I don't fully discard it either, because
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: I think that they're also talking about something really interesting
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: and something also they are talking about like gnostic ideas,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: but they're also ideas, and you know, they go beyond that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: There's obviously this whole film is about TNTRA, but you
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: could read it in a very sort of like theosophical
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: Buddhist kind of way, like a sort of mixture of
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: the two, and that would totally make sense too. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: because they're they all all of them see this kind
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: of backdrop as very similar. And obviously theosophy lays like
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: a kind of narrative groundwork for them to build off of. Now,
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Ken McLeod was one of the who is the consultant
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: for this film, very famous dharma author.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I can already he's a Scot's Irishman.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: He is, he is, he even as an accent JJ
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: but he he is. He was one of the.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Last people to be in the pre modern Tibetan way.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: So he was like, there aren't very many teachers that
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: were trained like that, like before the advent of like
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: cell phones like these, His teacher didn't even know what
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: those things really were.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: They were totally was more.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Of a genuine source instead of a kind of the
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: bastardization of some of the concepts. I suppose what you're.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Saying right, right, So he is drawing from like a
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: real layer. Now, he as most vent Buddhists are open
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: to looking at seeds and other places, but it requires
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: a high degree of discernment, just like it would in
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: a cabalistic way. So you the whole idea is like
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: rectify the words as they are or as you make them.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: And so I'm saying words and I know that's kind
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: of meta, but the words are really important. And so
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: this comes up a lot in the film obviously, because
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: you see like the sigils, the Tibetan seed syllables, you
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: see soundscript writing ring in the walls. Obviously this is like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: this is a big part of Buddhist magic is the word.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: So you can even hear right away there's even a
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: relationship with Christianity, So there's no there's really there's something
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: similar between all the different kinds of magic, because that's
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: really all it is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Sure, now I have a couple I have a couple
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: of scenes with some of the schedules you're talking about.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: We can see some of that stuff. I know what
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you mean, Julie about the names and stuff. I definitely
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: agree with you. One of the weird names in this film, though,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: is the villain here that the demon devil fellow old
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Sardo numsa right ss does that? Does that name have
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: any gnostic meanings? In this Golden Child references? Nick, what
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: do you what is his name? What do you make
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of the name Sardo Numsa.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: One thing I did look up is specifically with that name,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: is that him's his name in Chandler Jerrell both equal
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: the same U, both equal one English Tamatra, they both.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was interesting.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some deep trimatria there in comparison, because that's a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that's a weird ass name, right, Sarto Noumsa.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, real, real quick, just to like even get some
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of my stuff out that. Yeah, you're talking. There's just
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: certain things that got brought up that I want to
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: try to cover. When you mentioned the I guess theosophy
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I started one of the things. The reason for that
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: that piqued my interest is because I do think this
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: movie has cabalistic attributes to it, and I do think
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: if you're into that, if you're into the Hamitaka Bala
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: especially like put it put it this way, if you're
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: into Thalima or kind of like looking at the way
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Crowley would do stuff, you'll pull from different areas. So
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: it's like you could use Buddhism as an image because
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: you can still convey the message with the way things
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: match up on the Tree of life, you know, hermetically
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and cabbalistically. So I do think like you could you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: be you could be using the Tree of Life and
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: using Norse gods to tell the story or Greek gods
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: to tell the story. Sure, it doesn't matter.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I put that in my notes to Nick. I think
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: the exact same.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Thing, and I do think what you're saying.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do think it might.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Be fls if Today starring Keanu Reeves.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: The inspired possibly itself like the movie. One of the
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: reasons is yeah. And one of the reasons yeah, why
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I wanted to even mention that you had mentioned it,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: you know, Jin had mentioned it earlier, and I was like,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: fuck it. Maybe I should have just got my Jamatrius
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: stuff off at the beginning, because sometimes it can get boring.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: But he called me missed the ninety three and then
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: thirty three. Golden Child in English equals ninety three. It
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: also Saturn, Vishnu moonshots kind of weird, right, yeah, equals cash.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: But tell, I found this interesting, and I tried telling
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: people this, this is why people are so obsessed with it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Hawk Tua also equals ninety three.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: It really, yeah, and.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Out of existence of society and Golden Child in Hebrew
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: equals one to seventy. I found that interesting. You still
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: get a seventeen and then in ninety three in a sense,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: and that does an equal moon lamb of God in
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: hand of God in April. And do you find that interesting?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Going with Golden Child when it comes to.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: With the what's the significance there with April and the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Golden Child?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Well, the golden child in my opinion, even when it
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: comes to you know, kabbala, this fhear of tiffer, it
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: matches gold. You know, that's related with the sun. And
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the specific image that you can even use for that
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: is a child.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: So I was gonna ask about images because what's going
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: on here?
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't want interrupt you, but I feel like there's
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: a lot going on with this image.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I said the same thing.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: It's really interesting, JJ, because you can say that throughout
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: the film they also refer to Eddie Murphy as the
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: Chosen One. So who really is the Golden Child? Like,
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: who really is the Golden Child? Is it just like
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: a production outwards?
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Is that with that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: Little Asian kid who is Filipino by the way, not
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: even Tibetan.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: But and and not a boy?
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Well, it's very hermetic.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: It feels it almost to me, is someone who's interested
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: in like hermetic kabala. It does feel like a deliberate
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: choice a girl who appears.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: As a boy. Oh oh, I see No, I wasn't
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: even thinking of that. Nick Knicks taking what do you
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: all got on? What do you all got on?
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: That would be very old like I mean even even
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: even the old man with you know, wiping the booger
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: on his ship when he was outside to do I
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: think was it at one point was he wearing like
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: orange at some point?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: That's even watch it. I got that clip right here.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I would even say that's kind of like where jokes
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: that would land to as well.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: On hood he's a trickster character.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's a magician. He's gone there and come back,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: so he kind of realizes like the world is a
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: joke to a sense.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: This is the first this is the first time old
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: actual Axle Foley meets this old wizard man Victor Wong.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But you're right, he does have some orangine here. I
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: think he's got some red. But which is it's kind
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: of the same color as I was thinking of this
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: back background of this image right.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Of the left to that would be orange black and
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: uh red.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Let's let's watch this this quick clip of when these
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: two meet in the film. It's quite comical.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, wait a second, you take a hundred You took
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the hundred. No, that's one dollar.
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: See one dollars for you see the George Washington, that's
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: Benjamin Franklin. That's not happening. Give this You got the
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: wrong money. Can I have my money back? And you
• 46:56
  Speaker 11: gave me the wrong necklace too.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Breaking my hot ass wipe? Oh you speak English is
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: just fine.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: So it's a lot of it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: Hey listen, man, give me one hundred back. Take this
• 47:08
  Speaker 11: down and take this to give me.
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: The right one monkey breast, pulke face, eat of turtlestime.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, okay, tell you what. Just give me my ship.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: You take your ship.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: I watch Scotch pocket.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, you slick ship hits that Victor, won't he's a character.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: At some point when he's wearing his hat. I'm pretty
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: sure he's an orange, like an orange.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe in this side of the temple.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I have that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I have that clip as well. He turns into a
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: bird there right, which I don't know all this bird
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: stuff with the cultism or not. Any esoterically, but there's
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: a bird guide in this film, and then that dude
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: turns into a bird at one point, so I thought
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: that was kind of strange.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: You know what.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: The first miracle though, that he performs at the very
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: beginning of the movie is resurrect it's a bird, the
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: dead parrot. But it's that parrot, the same parrot that
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: follows him through out the movie that the Wong guy
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: transforms into. So he's actually the parrot from the beginning
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: of the movie because if you, yeah, if you notice,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: like right as they kidnap him, that parrot fly out
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: the door, and then it follows him throughout the movie,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: and then he turns into the little Asian guy at
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: the market, and that's the first time you realize the
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: parrot is actually this shaman guy. If for lack of
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: a better term, but I was gonna say, it's interesting
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: that they chose a girl to play a boy in
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: this movie, or however you want to think about it,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: because and then Jen said that she was Filipino and
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: not even whatever Tibetan or got whatever, there's whatever he's
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: supposed to be. But m night, Shyamalan did that same
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: shit when he did the live action version of Avatar
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: the Last air because it was supposed to be an
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Asian boy and the cartoon is like an Asian cartoon.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's Japanese, but it might be. But anyways,
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: he picked a white kid, and he also changed the
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: race of like all the different tribes and like made
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: one tribe like people from India, and he made another
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: tribe like all Caucasians. And he basically took the idea
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: and he like switched it all up and made it weird,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: and people hated that because it didn't follow the story
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: like the cartoon. But I do think it's interesting because
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: it's like the same idea this Last Airbender, you know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: the Avatar, and he's supposed to be this, and that
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: he took the character, made it a white kid, and
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: then changed all the other races throughout the tribes. So
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it could be significant in some way.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah right, yeah, for sure. I want to that's a
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: great point, Julia. I want to just pick you out
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: or riff off that and and talk about the parrot
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: for a moment.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: And this is a really significant contric kind of bird.
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: Because it is one of the well in tandre at least,
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: it is considered to be the only bird that can
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: mimic human speech. So it is the if you want
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: to liken it to like a goddess that you can
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: then google or look up an image of her.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: It's called Matongie.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: Interestingly, the rap artist m I A also had an
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: album called Matongi. So it is the goddess who is
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: very tipperatic. So there's another tipperatic element actually in the
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: Naga kanya. So you guys were talking about before the
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: snake woman or the snake princess, that's what she was.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: The dragon Lady, the dragon Lady she's at So this
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: is like, this is a traditional ideas that a Naga
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: kanya can tell you is like a prophet seer, like
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: someone who has like because they're in both worlds. And
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: naga lives in the subtle world meaning like the spirit world,
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: but a man lives or a person lives in the
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: human world in the animal world. So she's like half
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: and half, so she's like liminal, so she's able to
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: access maybe more spiritual knowledge.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Interesting, what are your thoughts on this common here we
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: got Golden Child brings to mind the Golden Boy and
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Jade Girl of Chinese miss servants of the Jade Emperor,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: who said, a guy the good people to paradise.
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: This is a great Yeah, this is a book comment. Sorry,
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: it's very very keyo.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Well, okay, So the Buddhist idea is that it's they're
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: the servants of guan Yin. So if you look at
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: Daoist depictions, not Buddhist depictions, but Dioist depictions of her,
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: she'll be with the two children. So the Jade Girl
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: is obviously that's the stone of Us, stone of net
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: SoC and the and then the Golden Boy. He is tiporetic,
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: but because he's a child, he's it's like a on
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: a horror ship like that. I mean, that's what that's
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: what it is. He's like, he's he's going on the
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: path from hoad to the Sun, from hoad to tifferent.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Basically nice you know, since we were speaking Cabala real quick,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I just you know, twist in there. Jj uh. At
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: some point later on in the movie, this lady Keenang,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: however you say your name, she does have like a
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: green I don't know if it's jade, but she does
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: have like a green necklace on. At some point and
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I do think again because of the child, I think
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: is is tifferent. I do think that some point he
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy is playing Hoad, and I do think she's
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: playing Netsuck. And I do think you actually see like
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: in a sense throughout the movie. I do think it's
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: actually crossing the ambissy coming back, you know, and fighting
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: the demons as part of it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: You know that story in greens associated with that the
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: color of green or the stone of or jade or something.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well to show, yeah, she would be Netsuck, which
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: would be the which would be a female green sphere
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: at the bottom of the tree, right underneath the golden child.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: And then you have Eddie Murphy, I think would be
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: the guy on the left, the black pillar, but the
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: orange guy, you know, the orange sphere, you know. And
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I do think they throughout the story. I think they
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: go up the tree. I think you see a progression
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: going up the tree. And I do think like the
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: parrot or whatever that bird is, that rainbow bird could
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: possibly be the rainbow that emanates from netsc to Hoad.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: There was a that And I also, like from my
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: own experience, I had wondered if if it is a
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: story of crossing the abyss and going up the tree
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: of life. Could that be like the rainbow bridge that
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: you will witness before you bless.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: Those that you're following that the whole way.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is a rainbow bird rainbowie mm hmmm.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: So we're talking dragon ladies, we're talking all this Eastern
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: mysticism stuff. I got a clip relative to the film,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: is one in fact, it is indeed a clip from
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the film, and it describes all these things, the Golden childs,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the Chosen Ones, the dragon ladies, and I'll bring that
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: up horse right meow.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: So if something happens to the kid, the whole world
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: goes to hell. The world will become hell. Ah, not
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: far from that. Now, listen, who we want to take
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the kid anyway?
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: Those who would evil rather than good?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Can you be a little bit more specific.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: We do not know what took him.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Well, could you tell me why?
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: The people that took him and trying to make him
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: meat blood.
• 54:38
  Speaker 13: Nothing in this world will hurt him, but if you
• 54:42
  Speaker 13: were to pollute himself with anything impure, he would become vulnerable.
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: Okay, So if they if he eats the blood, they
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: could kill him.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: Yes, Oh, do you have any other questions.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I do what are you
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: doing this weekend? Because your silhouette is kicking.
• 55:12
  Speaker 11: Timothy Colima plays in Maraccas too.
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: This is the Chosen One?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, people certainly do put on a good show.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Where'd you find her at?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: She is the librarian of the secret repository at Parcassin.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: She was blown him to help us. She's over three
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: hundred years old?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: And how she managed that one one.
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: Of her ancestors raped by a dragon?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Does that happen a lot with your front? So three
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: hundred year dragon? You know, three hundred year old dragon
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: rapes aside? You know, we we got a good, good
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: slight picture there on what's going on with this narrative
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: here with the Golden Child and the Chosen One? And
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: how hell even the number three though? J Like what's
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that with the number three? Yeah?
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: Like when they're saying like three hundred, she's three hundred
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: years old, Like you could say that that they're talking
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: about Bena, or you could also say that time as
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: I was divided by three?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: See is that a good lifespan for a half dragon
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: half human? What's the average lifespan there?
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: I mean could be like a thousand years could.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Be I was gonna say a thousand.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I feel like they came in.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: They feel like they came in short with the three hundred,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: so I feel like that might mean something. Right with
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: the you know, they may have intentionally put it as
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: three hundred for some reason, right.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: I had thought, So you're and your dragon should be.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Much older in my opinion, so I'm on an older dragon.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Even with her, I look at her aspect as almost
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: being like a gym or pa. You see this too,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: be Nah, you never really get to see her except
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: for that one point. And again it's because she's more
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: of like a voice in your mind or an idea.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: She's not really an actual image. So you do see her,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: and then in my opinion, a lot of either sometimes
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: some dragon or maybe reptile like symbolism. I even think
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: some of the aliens from the Alien movie is like
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: part of the brain, possibly the hippo campus. So you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: then then again that would be of the mind. You know,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: you're really just your thoughts. You're not like an actual thing.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Yet again, You're she's behind something, You're just hearing something.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: It's just what does that call? You don't have nothing
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: to attach that to except for that silhouette that he
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: found that he thought was banging or whatever.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: He said, Right, and she plays literally is gonna sub
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: ing it around naked all day watching soap opera, smoking cigarettes.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Associated.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets upset and he gets all about hurt,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: right because he doesn't want to be the chosen one. Right,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: he goes to take it out on the dragon lady
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: amongst other folks. But right, this is just the pexture
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: of her upper torso does Yeah, we never get.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: To we never get to see the dragon tail.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Well, they show it, right, but it's like because he
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: knocks down the thing at one point, right, yes.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Right, did we get to see the whotel?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: It's pretty good?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Right, yep, yep, yep, there we go.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: The best image I can get. It's kind of grainy,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: but mm hmmm.
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: So she reveals like who she is, Like that was
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: really good, neck, I appreciate that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: So what's the dragon mean for for Eastern stuff? There? Jim?
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: Well, it goes with what Nick was saying about being
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: on and like how it's like it brings you good seductive,
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: so it like brings you closer and then it reveals
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: what it really is behind the veil. It's how you
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: could maybe describe it. And so she's like, uh, she
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: would say that she's the wife of Rahu, who is
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: the dragon of the eclipse. So there's a common misconception
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: on astrology twitter that somehow that worshiping deities of Saturn
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: are related to Saturn, Like Collie, remove Rahou from a
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: birth chart. That's actually not true. I don't even know
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: who came up with that. It actually densifies his presence
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: and a chart that's like a very basic contract knowledge.
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: So I just want to point that out. Is that
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: where he's where he sort of So what I'm trying
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: to say is that at Saturn, like if he has
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: a Saturnian sort of vibration, he would actually appear it
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: would appear a lot more snakelike.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: It would be very serpentine.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: But more steak stuff than dragon stuff. Kind of.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's exactly That's that's a really good way to
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: put it. JJ is that you would see more of
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: a serpent and then once you move away from Bena,
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: you would maybe it would make more sense as more
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: of a cosmic or mythical being.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's got a rattler on the back end
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: of this thing.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say that, mm hmm, she's gonna that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: shaker deal on the back. But you know what, I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: think that they use colors and weird stuff like that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: this entire movie. And I I'm not I'm not good
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: enough with occultism to tell you what it means. But
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: it's always like yellow Dragon biker gang, and then you know, yeah,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: and then it's like, I feel like they mispronounced things
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: on purpose, and I don't know why that might be significant.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Like the main bad guy, Sarto Numpspah, he can't say,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: he can't say he's like miss d Yarral.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Anything else than that he's already.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: But he he also can't you know. It says like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: he's supposed to find the dagger of a jaunty and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: he goes the cross dagger of a yanky, Like he
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: can't say, he.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Can't say, you are correct about that?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I thought.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: That Wasn't you agree? He's pretty he's pretty uh, you know,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: as far as villains go, he's he's a pretty good villain.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a Ginger. Of course, they make the Ginger
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: the bad guy every single freaking time.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Gingers have no salt, So I mean it makes sense.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: He would play well, you know, JJ, I take that personally,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: but I'm half ginger, Julia, I understand what you're saying.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a perfect role
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: for him, right, He's a ginger, right right.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But so I think to back up a little bit,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: like sure Chandler, he's like on this talk show and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: he says he's looking for this sixteen year old girl.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: And that's another moment. Okay. I was gonna say, like,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: that's at the beginning of the movie, but the rest
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: of it, like the blood sacrificing and all that stuff,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: won't make sense until we mentioned the part where he's like,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: that's how he gets introduced to the stories. He goes
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: on this talk show and he says he's looking for
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Eryl Moseley or whatever her name is.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. Yeah, And if I if I may, I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: think you for kicking this off. I got that clip
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: right here, if we can, we can watch that here
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: for the folks.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so hilarious.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Pack some of this because this is the cross section, right.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: So they came from Tibet to Los Angeles and they
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: were just talking about not eating not eating blood. This
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: is the cross section of the boot Tibetan Buddhism and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the Satanism here in America, cross section here in Los Angeles.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Here with this clip.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Now, let's let's talk about tortoises. Judy, what have we
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: got here? This is great?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, this is Teddy and he's eighty years old.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 14: We're eight dar He's won many kissed my ass. I said,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 14: I'm trying to find this girl. Okay, my name is
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 14: Chery Mol's. She was last seen on Violin down in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 14: North Side with she out in a sweater and a skirt.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 14: I'd appreciate if you contacted me at four sixty eight
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 14: point nine two, if you had anybody could come shut
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 14: up man, if you have any information that leads to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 14: the finding of this girl, I'd appreciate if you contacted me.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: Yo.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, if you don't put.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 14: The camera out, bust your ass man, leave the camera
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 14: on show. Mosley Chandler, Joe twenty four hours a day,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 14: four sixty eight fourt nine two. Now you can talk
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 14: about whatever you want to talk about with datoy seas and.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: When that excuse.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: So that's that's how Chandler Jerald gets ripped in here
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: as the chosen one because homegirl there, martial arts expert
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: and mysterious wizard lady. She's a Jina finds them.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: She's a jacchini.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: What is this? What is it? A zucchini?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: She's a jacchini. She's like a yoga practitioner.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: And she's obviously like gained some cities, like some accomplishments.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: She's got skill sets. You got some skills.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a real badass, and you know when I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: don't know if it's time for me to say it
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: just yet, but in classic eighties style, one of the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: first scenes where she's like going off with her badass ory,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: of course she has to kick a fucking pipe down
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: and her tits are all wet and flopping around and stuff,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: and her nips are showing through her shirt, is like
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: classic eighties uh, you know, But she's.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Actually was that the Yellow Dragons fight? Was that? Was that?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Was that the same fight when they give the Yellow Dragons?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: But I actually, yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Had you seen her in any other movies?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: No? I don't think I have sense either, quite honestly.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 14: No.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: And she's so cute. She's so cute.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: The Golden Boy Girl, the Golden Child that they didn't
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: act again either, apparently this was their only film.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Sure, but so I was gonna mention because I said, like,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: I feel like they use colors a lot, like with
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: the Yellow Dragon and this and that. If you really
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: go back and watch the movie and you count how
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: many times they use blue, it just is weird to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: me because like even that clip you just showed the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: talk show, the curtain in the background is blue. He's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: wearing a blue shirt, and then at the end, well
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of blue in the middle, but like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: at the end, like two or three of the characters
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: are all wearing blue shirts. And so I don't know
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: if that's significant in some way, but I think the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: colors are a big deal.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: No, truly, are sure? Sorry, JJ, go ahead, Jane, that
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: was great noticing Julia. Let me just say, even when
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: he says bring the camera back over here, like look
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: at me, and he's wearing that black leather jacket, that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: really stood out to me.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: It's very bana.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: But he's also in the blue, like Julia said, she's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: really pulling focus towards him, and she's wearing like red.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: It's very geboratic, like Marshall but she's perceiving him. And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: as Julia said, it's not just him that has the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: blue shirt, but it's also the background of the talk show.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: And then when it zooms out, you can see it
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: and it's like, so it's like the whole idea is
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: like you're standing at Goba, you're looking at you're in
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: the fire, but then you're looking at the ocean and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: you can see yourself and then you're looking you can
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: you acknowledge what it is, but it doesn't necessarily appear
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: as you right, And that's sort of the that's a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: very magic I'm sorry that was very meta, but that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: is kind.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: Of what it's like.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: It's like there's an interaction with perception that happens between
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: the ocean and the water and the fire. You can
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: say that. So that's kind of what they represent, and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: but they reverse the poles. You see that usually you
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: would have a more masculine figure at Mars or Goebra
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: and a feminine figure has said but not, you don't
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: have to, so.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: You're playing they're playing gender games, like the Day with
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: the Golden Child.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: Is that what you're telling me, Well, it's interesting because
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: it's like she's the one in perception. He's just saying,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: you know, bring the camera towards me, let me be
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: amplify or magnetize this girl's story like outward and but
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: she's like by what she's focused on as him, So
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: she's singular in her view, where he's expansive very much.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: If you want to think about it, JJ a really
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: good way to explain it. I think even with this,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: if you want to make it cabalistically, which I think
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Gin is doing a real good job, I would you know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: include the chess head again. Even a projecting or expansive
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: if you took a light bulb, the light that's shining
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: out of it would be kind of like male energy,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: and the light bulb itself will kind of be the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: feminine energy and the male energy sound sight is coming
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: out of it. It's a good analogy, projective, projective that
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: would be like a so I even think when he
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: was saying about him in a sense, if you think
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: about it, she sees him then, and I would say
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: he is very much chested at that point, very expansive,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: very powerful, loud, being seen you know by a lot
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: it's on TV. Uh, she sees him, she sees him,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: and then basically she takes him and brings him wherever
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: he's got to go. It's very magnetic, well, playing the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: side of the yeah, well she chose.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: Him, she chose him.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then she pulls him very very magnetically like
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: the left pillar. She now fucking pulls him all the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: way to her side.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: So what we're.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Supposed to.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: I just want to say, what next?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: Thing is really profound because that is even the idea
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: is that Takini will lead ju through experiences you as
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: the witness or the perceiver, rather than it's not just
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: all your will. It's like there's part of it that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: is a little bit other power, is what we would
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: call it. So it's like generative outside of you. Maybe
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: it is you, Maybe it is And it's kind of
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: like an inter social moment.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: So I don't know.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: This is how it happens. Right, she signs him up
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: for all these things, right because she sees him on
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: the TV.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, she has to select him as a partner
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: as the chosen one, right exactly.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: And sorry I was interrupting. You go ahead. I just
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: want to don't want to forget.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, please please, I'm done.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: What I was saying before. In the video. I do
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: think that they both play the princess and the and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: the prince hoad, and that suck, But they both are
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: going to play the king and the queen at one point.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: And I do think at chessaid when she's seeing him,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: she's seeing the king in that that that hoad is
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: going to become going up the tree. She already sees
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: it in me, so that's why she picks him. That
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: sounds a little a little much, but I do think
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: that's the kind of part of it that makes total
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: sounds soaking.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Nick his old noom sye is he pronounced the stuff
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: and Hebrew stuff kabala.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Wise, I was wondering about that. That's the whole reason
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: why he doesn't say the jay.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: Well, there's no ja, there's no jay in Hebrew, so
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: you wouldn't. That's that's even a thing in magic, Like.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: That's why it's mister pronouncing yer right in Gerald.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Well, you could say it's like dilectification of the jay almost,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: like you could say it's like how they say Ihovah
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: instead of Jehovah, so that you can even hear in
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: that there's a distinction, obviously, and like maybe what God,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: you're referring to I'm not saying that, I'm just saying
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: that's how people think of it, or like what like
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: Covenant you hold like that's obviously very mythric, but I think, yeah,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: I think that's kind of in line with the general
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: magical sort of orders and how they view the world.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: We put out just really quick, they pointed out because
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: the two things. And this is why it's important because
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: when you when you watch this move and I said, oh,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: look there he's wearing a blue shirt and he's got
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: the blue curtain behind him, and you know she's wearing
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: the red or whatever. And Jin did a great job
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: explaining that. But if you if you listen to like
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: the dialogue in these scenes, it's on purpose they because
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: the talk show hosts comments on what he's wearing, and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: he's like, oh, look at your outfit. I love your hats,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, attention to what he's wearing. And
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: then in another scene, Chandler Jerrel calls Sarto out. Yeah,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: He's like, why do you mispronounce my name when you
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: know it's Jeral And he said, I know. So he's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: like acknowledging that I'm mispronouncing it. On purpose. So that's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: why I think, like, yeah, could we be looking into
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: it too far or whatever? Maybe, But I think the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: reason they put those little lines in the movie is
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: because it is intentional. It's like the wardrobe choices, the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: way that he mispronounces the name, like they even included
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: it into the dialogue. Is like, why do you insist
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: on mispronouncing my name? You know it's Gerald And he's like, yeah,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: I know, boy, Julia.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: That's a very solid point. They have some great dialogue
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: between old nupsy and uh chandeler Gerald there, mister Gerrol.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: That is you know, they're some back, you know some
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: as far as the antagonist protagonist, they're not really doing
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of duke in and out, but they are
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: doing a lot. I mean, there's a little bit of that,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: but they do a lot of back and forth, just
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: you know, gelling at each other. So they got some
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: classic dialogue.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: Well I do that sometimes, like I feel i've I've
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: I've discussed it on lives before that it's a it's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: an old discordinging like a chaos magician trick. You mispronounce
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: things or you create something I'm more fond of is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: you create compound words that are totally brand new for
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: your use.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: So an example of that Westoid is that what you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: did to me with Wes.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: With that that's something from the zoomer to it. I'm
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: about ten years too old to use technically, But I'll
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: give you an example.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: Like clipolithic, Like people think that I.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: Just mispronounced it, but it actually makes sense because you're
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: talking about like a stone aggregate. So that's like a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: compound word that you can just make, but it has
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: to there has to be a logic and I coherent,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: so you can do that instead of saying like klipa,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: which I don't have a prom saying, but sometimes there's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: an idea that the things that you say are the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: things you invoke, so depending on the context you're using it.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: So, well, that's interesting. I appreciate that. Jen is that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: also Kenu?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: Is that kenu that is considered true keno?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: I would assume it would be. I'm catching on. I'm
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: catching on. So we we were talking to yellow dragon
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: stuff and the crossover with intersection with Satan satanic cold
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: stuff in around Los Angeles. It's spoiler alert. We find
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: out Tommy Tong, who works you know, is running this
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: outlaw blacker gang who kidnapped this young girl that the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: channel chaneral Yarroll is looking for. Well, he works for
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Old Noocy. So we're about to find that out here
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: right now. Oh Cheryl, Yeah, we sold.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: Her, I mean you sold.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: You sold a cool.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 12: To Tommy tom He got that restaurant down on Broadway,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 12: and we traded her case of cigarettes and a quarter
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 12: of pork fried rice.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Why would somebody want to buy somebody?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: He needed a girl? What worked the steel out with
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: the devil?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: He said, he needed her blood.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: So much to say, I have so much to say.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Please, I did forget the parent clip, which I'll play.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: He wants me to discuss this one. The you know,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the parent guy that is how they got there was
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Victor Wong, the revived parent from the Golden Child, is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: the one who led them to that house.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. So they do find Cheryl a little bit
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: before this scene, and that's where he finds the bucket
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: of oatmeal with the blood in it. Yeah, and so
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: again I say this because I think it's important they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: chose an actress to play Cheryl, even though she's in
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: it for five seconds and she's just a dead body.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: It's a ginger girl, and she's the innocent one, she's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: the sacrifice. But also the devil is the ginger guy.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: And it's like the masculine and the feminine, but they're
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: both red haired ginger people. And like one's the innocent one,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: on's the devil. He kills her, sacrifices or uses her
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: blood in this ritual to kill this kid, and you know,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: it's like an innocent ginger girl, and then the devil
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: is a ginger guy. I think they do that stuff
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: on purpose. And the only other thing I have to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: say about this scene is that at the very beginning,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: when they break into the house, they're playing a really
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: specific song. I don't know if you caught it. It's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: by Rat. You know that body tie.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I did not catch it, but please tell us.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: Okay. So the album that that song is on. It
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: was Rat's debut album, and it featured themes of witchcraft,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: nuclear war, and global destruction. And that is the song
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: that's playing as that scene opens up. So, as I say,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: if you look in the background, everything is on purpose,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: even a dead girl that's laying in the movie for
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: five minutes that happens to be a ginger girl with
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: this yellow dragon tattoo, and then you know the devil's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: a red haired guy. I think all the little tiny
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: details actually matter in the long run.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: I agree as well, Julia, and I will say that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: sometimes in contra the deity and this concert are depicted
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: as red hair, but if you kind of understand, you
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: realize it doesn't have to be red hair, because it
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: can just be the sort of appearance of red from
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: wisdom fire. So the wisdom fire would make the hair
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: peer red, so it could be blonde or even block.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: And sometimes it has also depicted as up. But I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: think that was also a really good point.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: Somebody got the song right. Yeah, I couldn't remember the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: title of it, but I remembered the lyrics. But yes,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: that's the song too, that's playing in the background. And
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: I only and what struck me the first time I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: watched it, before I even decided I wanted to cover
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: it on a Conspiracy episode is I hate that song.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: And every time that scene plays, I'm like, somebody shoot
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: me in the face. I rat shit, that might say,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: So before we get into the oatmeal blood stuff taller,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: before we let's talk about the oatmeal and the blood
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: stuff I got a video clip to tie that into
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: the Golden Child here in a minute. But let's what
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: are your all thoughts? What's all that about? What's feeding
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: all this blood stuff? About oatmeal?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: Well, before we do a blood and oatmeal, which I
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: will obviously discuss a litt all is that?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: And you've got to watch out. Victor Wong has got
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: his wand out, buddy. What do you want to talk
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: about before blood and oatmeal? What are we talking here?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: Well, Victor Wong, of course.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: So the orange in the red, that's why I brought
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: this picture of It's perfect. It's perfect. JJ did the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: orange of the red Nick was talking about earlier?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: Yes, So orange is a really important color in Buddhism.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: You could almost say it's the most important color. If
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: you were to compare it to the tree, you would
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: definitely say that Buddhism really likes hod as a starting
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: position for an apostaca or someone who practices Buddhism. So
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: I set at the beginning that the monks depicted were
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: of the gellog Pa, so the Gellic school. He is
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: actually a Nagapa, so he is a sorcerer. He belongs
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: to the ning Musk. So the it's the old school
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: or the ancient school, so they're allowed sort of more.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: They give themselves a little more conceptual leeway with ideas,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: and he can also be a householder, so he's not
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: restricted by monastic vows.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: That's why later on spoiler alert, he gets called like
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: a paternal name.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: So, but that's even what his red hat means. It's
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: kind of like he wears the orange robe. Sometimes he
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: would be a black coat with an orange robe. He
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: would obviously be in turquoise jewelry Lapis Lazuli jewelry, and
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: then he would wear the red hat, and that would
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: indicate that he is also a Buddhist.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: He's not just a sorcerer. So it's just an idea there, So.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Sorry, let me flipped it on him. Where the they're
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: trying to feed the golden jolt some of his blood
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: out meal here, it's got some of those schedules we
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: were talking about earlier jan with the there's probably lot
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: of stuff you're all going to see that I don't.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have the foggiest idea about so
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: stand by police, there's name see.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: You will eat. So I think it's really interesting.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 14: J J.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: Abt the sigil, things like I don't read to that,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: and I've never I cannot, but I can Rick.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I one second, Jane, hold on one second, hold
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: up that it's one second. I always want to see
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: him do his telepathic powers here, or I guess technically
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: she the Golden Child said fuck your meal.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: What he's saying there, Gin, I apologize jj edg and
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: I'm very good for a second.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, so I apologize to that. But I can't even remember.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: But I'll just I'll start with the oatmeal in blood
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 6: because that's obviously, you know what people want, to give
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: the people what they want, so obviously.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: That's a big part of the story here, right, that's right,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: got a week, They got a week in the Golden
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: style to kill it.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: So it is.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: It is a tontric idea, just like it is in Telima.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: Like cakes of light that obviously comes from Tibetan Buddhism.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: It's obviously like our trauma cakes. Interestingly, that they use oatmeal,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: that's obviously a nod to I don't know how they
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: make cakes of light in the in the Oto or
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: any of the other orders, but in Tibetan Buddhism, it's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: made with barley powder, so it's barley powder starfire. So
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: it's not the blood of a virgin, just to be
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: very clear, and it's not even starfire as you would
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: understand it. It's made it's like a homeopathic like eight
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: times version, made into tiny little nectar pills.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: So and yes, it can also be other substances.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: And so the transgressive substances change the offering from like
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: a peaceful offering into a wrathful offering.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: But to vend Buddhism, nothing is.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: Ever sacrifice except yourself, like not yourself, but kind of.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: Like who you think you are.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: That's the only that's just their symbolic offerings to represent
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: sort of mental or.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: Sort of like.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: Obstacles of consciousness. So you offer those obstacles of consciousness,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: but you put it in a in a vessel. That
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: is the transgressive or wrathful offering. But the in and
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: of itself is just a container. It's not like the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: real thing. You're just using that as a vehicle to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: remove the obstacle. But the obstacle comes from yourself, it's
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: not from external source.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Interesting, So what are your thoughts, Nick on all this
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: blood oatmeal of this child, the Golden child, to immortals,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: mortals situations.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: Uh oh, look at a couple of different different ways here. Uh. Well,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: even when like Chin was going there with it too,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: I guess, like you know, kick of Lights that does
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: have blood in it stuff, he was talking at his
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: blood in it wheat. I think it's just used in
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: general or something like that. Grain is used symbolically. I
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: think a lot, you know, just because it's cooked oatmeal,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: you know, think about it in the real sense, you know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: you see stuff like that a lot. Uh. And then
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: even with uh huh did heart healthy? Probably blood? I
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: and another interesting thing with that too, even in in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Hebrew it matches golden and fool. There was something else
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: I was gonna bring up before, but uh, I didn't
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: want to get too much on the numbers. So like
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: I even thought, like how that seems interesting, how that,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: like you matches like Eddie Murphy's character, but then also
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: the kid itself again, and and then even in cross
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: over a game, right yeah, and then even blood And
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: then in English matches you know, this might be a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: stretch matches Luna, but that chick's name also matches Moon.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I am one of the reverse of the symbolism of
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the sun too, right, is that right? Right?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And it matches full all the way around. It
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: matches full in uh in Hebrew and English and simple
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: all the way around.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: I read some series about the Golden Child online, and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: also every every time before I do an episode like this,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: I like to check Reddit and see what people have
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: said about it, and they did. To Nick's point, they
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: always referenced that girl I think her name is key
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: Key Nung or something like that. In the movie. They
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: reference her as as supposed to be a moon deity,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: and I read that several times in a lot of
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: the Reddit chats, that she was supposed to be like
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: a moon deity. So I just wanted to throw that
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: in there. That's not my yeah, that was that wasn't
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: my conclusions. But I did see that several times on Reddit,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: people talking about this movie and what it could mean
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. That got broud of a lot. Yeah,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I couldn't find anything on that specifically, but the blood
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: and the oatmeal, I think it could be another thing
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: obviously with Jin and Nick are saying, and just the colors,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: the white and the red, I think could be significant
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: because out of all things to choose oatmeal, I feel
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: like that's a little specific because you could put blood.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: I feel like if I was going to try to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: feed somebody something with blood in it, more creative about it,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: like vegetable soup, then you couldn't.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: You gotta sneak it in there. You gotta find a
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: better so to transport that blood.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: That's good like white oat meal, you know, Yeah, it.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Seems to have importance, right, the grain or the oats.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: There's something's important.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And like when he first digs the spoon into
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: it and there's that scene where it's just oatmeal on
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: the top and then boom, blood comes squirting out of it.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: And it's like very cinematic how they did, like the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: white oatmeal with the red blood squirting out so and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: then he even like takes a polaroid steincture of it.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: So I think, you know, the colors could be significant
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: also if you want to get real surface level, like
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: with the red hair and the white skin, the oatmeal
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: and the blood. It's like, literally all the colors in
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: this movie mean something.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like it. You got a lot of
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: that red stuff going on in just the movie poster, right,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the official imagery for the film, right, I mean some
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: deep reds going on deep reds.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: Well, I can offer a little something is that that
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: was great because the white, red, and blue are the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: most significant colors. Like I said, orange is a really
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: important color. Yes, green is a really important color. Yes,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: but the real primordial colors are white, red, and blue
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: in that order. So obviously the pepsi can has like
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: multiple layers of significance just through that. It's also you
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: could say, like a sort of an agent of synthesis
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: away because it it's like bringing it's obviously a tin
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: can kind of thing or aluminum, so maybe even has mercurialness.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: But then it's white, so it's kind of heeather. But
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: you need other things to get there. So you have
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: the hesset and the gevra, the water and the fire
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: coming together, and then the little bow boy at Hoed,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: that little golden prince, he's making it alive with his mind.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: So yeah, there's something very magic about that. And I
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: think that the other I'd have forgot my other point,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: but you know, that was a great point, Julia and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: I agree. Also, you can make turma traumas like wrathful offerings.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: You can make them very gory like looking because you
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: just you you just like mold a cake basically out
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: of barley powder and like little substance pills and then
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: you can make them like have eyeballs or tongues or
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: like any of the wrathful kind of offerings. So, like
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: what Julia is saying, it's like a perfect simulcra, like
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: a you know, it's not quite real, and it's also cinematic,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: so it's like a crazy offering. That spirting blood that
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 6: they're telling us is real, but we also know as
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: an audience is not really real. So it is kind
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: of like a perfect contrack offering in a way because
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: it's kind of like a lie of truth at the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 6: same time.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think the three colors I noticed the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: most in this movie were red, white, and blue, and
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: the Golden Child wears a traditional like little Buddhist looking
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: robe throughout the entire movie, except for the very last
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: scene of the movie where they put a red, white
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: and blue shirt on him and then Eddie Murphy gives
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: him a hat that's blue and white, and so yeah,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: I think that they, I mean, the whole movie, he's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: like got the traditional you know, garb and then at
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: the very last scene of the movie, he's red, white
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: and blue stripe shirt with a blue and white hat,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: and so yeah, I think that stands out, like I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: don't even know why they put that on him, honestly.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Because excellent point, though, excellent point.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're wearing blue again this Yeah, the red, white
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: and blue stripes in the blue and white hat, and yeah,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: I think the colors definitely mean something.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't want to miss. I don't want to miss
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: gender this individual, not even in a transway. But that
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: is just reminds you that is a girl's Now that's
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: so crazy to me, isn't it wild. I was shocked
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: to learn that.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess they did that with the little
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: girl what's her face from fucking such stranger things. So
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: it's not the first time they shaved a girl's head,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: and you know, but they let her still be a
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: girl in.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: That, you know what I'm saying. We're like was and
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Nick were discussing earlier when he's playing in the gender
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: role games within this occult, you know, philosophies. You know,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: I kind of see the same thing from you know,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: like a surface level, like you were saying, Julia when
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: I look at Satanism, I'm like, well, they like to
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: play this gender game a lot, and Satanism and old
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: noomsy here. They call him the devil, but he's he's
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: a noopsy, but he's kind of is the devil, right,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, they don't classify it, but.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: He's a demon for sure because he meditates and then
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: he speaks to the devil.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: That's not even that top devil. He's like a like
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: a lower tier devil.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a like a like a.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: The devil.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's middle for satan because he can't.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Even figure out what the fuck to do. He's got
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: to go back and ask advice. Like I thought you
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: were supposed to be a demon with all your demony
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: knowledge and ship, and you got to go back and
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: refer back to the devil all the time, Like you're retard.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: Like what am I supposed to do? How do I
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: kill him? I don't know, stab him in the fucking face.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: No, that's a that's a great that's a great point
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: because if you're some sort of criminal mastermind and you work,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: you know, this demon thing, you hire Tommy Tong who
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: pays some chow Maine to these bikers to kidnap a
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: girl that what are what are these negotiations and logistics
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: you're going through your budd demon you can do better.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Look at hold on, let me let me just show
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: you who Tommy Tong is here, because he much like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Victor Wong, and they also start in Big Trouble Little China,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: the guy who played Tommy Tong here. But Tommy Tong
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: was a liability and old Nimpsey wasn't having it. I mean,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: speaking role is more of a dying role, but that
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: was Tommy Tongue.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: What is the rat significant for? Because they're listening to
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: a rat song and then Noopsy just turned into a rat,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: So what is this?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Beat me to it? You beat me to it, Julia,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: and I feel like Asian cultures have a different significance
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: of rats than we do here in America. But I'm
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: sure Jenny can add to that.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: If you wanted to give it a really Buddhist layer,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: you could say the rat is the.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: Vehicle of the Lord of hosts or the lord of aggregates.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: So we could maybe give him like a materialistic Klepolithic,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 6: maybe even Satanic.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: But of course you don't have to.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: I'm saying conceptually, you don't have to take it like that, right,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: but you could say that it gives it that element.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: But there's also a really interesting element that's universal is
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: that in almost every culture that I've ever encountered talking
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: about magic, they will always discuss sorcerers being able to
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: transform into black animals.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: So like a rat, like a dog, like a horse. All, uh,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: it's cat is actually rare.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: It's actually quite rare as an idea that only women.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: It's more women can turn into cats, or they will
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: say cat spirits, especially in a Chinese context, You'll say
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: cat spirits can live a very long time, and eventually,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: if they can live long enough, they'll turn into women
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 6: that can like marry men and et cetera.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: So it's a lot of thoughts that in my process inspect.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I like it just some wild stuff
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: you just threw out their bun.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: That happens to to me though. I think I was
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: born a cat and I slowly yeah, I mean, I've
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: always just identified as a cat. Like I'm always like,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: go fuck yourself, you know, people come around and I'm
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: like and then I go hide somewhere. I'm better as
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: an online presence, yeah, I'm just I'm a offline presence.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: Don't come to my house though you.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Want to do online vampiing like celest the vampire we
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: just had.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: On your instead, I would totally do it as much
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: as I don't have to meet a motherfucker and like, yeah,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: but oh, so I was gonna say, I feel like
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: there are undertones of like the Christianity story inside this movie,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: because the biker gang that sells the young girl for
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: pork fried rice or like whatever, that's like the Judas
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: couple of egg rolls, you know, and then you have
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: you know, Sararo's is trying to offer a deal to Jerrold,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: so it's like making a deal with the devil, and.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: The shows that clip was deal with the Devil.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: That's yeah, yeah, So I do think there.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: Are like the like Christian aspects of this, like someone's
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: betraying you and selling you for pork fried rice and
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: making a deal with the devil, and you know, the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: whole kind.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: Of making a joke to the Satanic panic at the time, Right,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: this is kind of the hotest Satanic panic.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: Right, Sure, I would say, so, yeah, what's funny, because
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: I didn't I don't I don't know where I'd put
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: the clip.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: I was just looking for it. But speaking of all
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: this satanic stuff, right, So in the satanic panic business,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: So Eddie Murphy did a show I think it was
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: at coffee with cars Jerry Seinfeld, and he's talking about
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: how he met Sammy Davis Junior there around the same
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: time made this film. It's a mid eighties so and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Sammy day old Sammy d was trying to get him
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: to join the Church of Satan, join the dark Side.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Is he is held that he was talking Well, hmmm.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: I think it's important to just note really quick that
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 6: we don't have a Satan figure per se.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: Well, maybe that's not accurate.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: Don't John equal Satan. I meant to tell you that
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Johnt equal Satan.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Okay. The dagger yea, the Johnty Dagger, the Satan dagger. Oh,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: that's interesting.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: Do you remember what they said about it when when
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: Noopsy meditates to speak with the devil and he says,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: the Jaunty Dagger is not of this world and it
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: came from Hell so they could kill the Golden Child,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: like it's literally from hell.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: And to make this hell right, he had to eat
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: the bloody oatmeal and make this hell, which kind of
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: sounds like vampirism.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: Well, he's bringing the carnal ground to the little Boy,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: the online more.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: Of heaven, you could say.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: And so there's something really interesting even about the dagger
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: since Nick brought it up, is that that dagger is
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: actually a magical implement, but it's also a deity. That
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: deity name is Vajor Kumara. That's an older version of text,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: but or older.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: That's not a dagger, Jim. This is a dagger, Yes.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 6: That dagger, So it's a three pointed dagger, and it
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: also is called Vaja Kumara, just like the Golden Boy.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: So the dagger can also be a deity.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Like it can also this is also the Golden Child, right.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: But then you be then the whole point is like
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: to proceed, like to not have a distinction between like
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: object and perceiver.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: So you're kind of unified in the dagger.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: And you can even see there's like a figure eight
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: sort of thing that's a vajra. So like everyone always
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: loves the vajra whenever I bring it up, So that's
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: a vadra in the middle. But then it comes down
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: to a single point. So at the single point should
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: be your like will, but it's your will incomplete emptiness.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: So it's what.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: I'm really trying to say, is it's just it's a
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: wand you could say, or a dagger. It can be
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 6: both things, really, but it it can also be you,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: but it's not you, just like when you're holding it,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: playing with it, like.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: It's a dagger that identifies as a yes.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: Like you could say, you could say the apotheosis of
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: a person is the golden child. I think that's a
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: very Christian cabalistic way to kind of look at it,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: or even a theosophical way, like I think that's what
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: Nick and I have both been like getting at is
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: that it's like someone rising through the tree, but it
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: could be like a real person, maybe a magician.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, pretty well, dagger even I don't want to try
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: to get into it too much. I explained it a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: couple of well, a couple of years ago I had
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: covered Michael Myers Halloween in the Nightmare on Elm Street. Howway,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: both thought they kind of both represented beasts in the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: both like possibly like Janus. And again they both you know,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Freddy has the daggers kind of finger daggers, and the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: other guy is known for a knife as well. And
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: I do you know, even when I was showing there's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: something in I think line two, in line seventeen, I
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: think both associate with like Janice in a Crawley seven
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: seven seven and somewhere like I think a knife for
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: like a crousser. Something along those lines comes up associated
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: with that. And that was like another thing I was
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: showing that I was trying to explain. And if you
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: think about it in a sense, if you look at
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: the dagger now, it's already got the two face God
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: right at the bottom.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: That's what I was just going to say, right say,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: is that us the two faces? You see? They're right?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: So he technically he has five faces, but sometimes I
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: shows three or one with a face above it, so
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: it'll be like a little he'll kind of like a pot.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: It'll like represent like his higher consciousness the face above it.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: And interestingly, to go off, next comment is that when
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: you look at him in art, so just Buddhist art,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: although sometimes they make daggers like this, he will be
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: depicted in full form and he'll have wings, so all
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: in it will look like very much like a cross
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: or a crucifix. Maybe maybe not as it looks like it,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: how anyway, and that is kind of the idea. And
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: so like Julia was saying, like raising something from hell,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: that he is the Adamantine's son, So that's another way
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: to understand it, Like he's forged in hell fire, but
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 6: he's a little more powerful than that. So you can
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: see there's like a redemptive you could call it like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: a Buddhist arc or a theosophical arc, but I think
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: that also parallels like the guy has to draw his path,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: the evil sorcerer has to draw his powers from like
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: a worldly spirit. A spirit that doesn't is not omnipotent,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: is not omnipresent, just has a goal to become like
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know, more of this earth or whatever. But
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: the Golden Child he sort of transcends all that. He's
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 6: sort of above it. He's not worldly. So that's kind
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: of what the dagger also represents. You could say, real
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: quick and.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: The chosen one can wield the dagger.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Too, right, I don't know, Yeah, yeah you can.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: That's the whole measurement, right. Old Victor Wong's like, well,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: we'll find out if you can get that dagger button. Well,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: you're up to the challenge.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Real quick too. Even when I had covered the movie
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: from hell, I showed symbolism in that about Janice and
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: that's you know all about slice some motherfuckers up too
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: with shit.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: That's a good one to do a breakdown on because
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: there's a kind of stuff in there. One of my
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: favorite Johnny Depps Actually I love that one. So what
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: do you guys think about him eating those little twigs
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: throughout the whole movie? Do you think that's significant in
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: a way?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, one thing I was going to bring up to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: with the whole blood stuff. It even goes back to uh,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: some guy in Pedocles from like five hundred BC. He
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: was even stating that you if you want to do
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: magical stuff, you're gonna have to stop taking him blood.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to start like kind of eating like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: a vegetarian. And blood blood would be like it would
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: just be a bad thing. It would be make you dirty.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: I can't think of the word right now.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: That well that's what makes it. That's what that's what
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: they hear, Right, would make him dirty? He would be immortal, right,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: he would he would be of the earth.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he he he goes on about eating like,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that. So it makes sense that
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: the kids like eating a plant. You know, it's it's nice.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: He's eating a vegetarian that my opinion, and.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: The blood literally eating like one leaf a day for
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: several days.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: And he could really do a lot of things to
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: solve that problem with his magical wizard abilities. Right. Yeah,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: I saw him make a dancing PEPSI can come on,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: get out here. This guy can find some food.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: About that too. With the eating, if, in my opinion,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: like your I would think that maybe your senses. This
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: is hard to explain, but like your body's gonna have
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: to start paying it, like if to have a magical experience,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to slip out a little bit. And
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: I guess like what if, like if you're thinking about
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: if you're puting stuff back into your body, it's gonna
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: have to pay attention, Like your stomach's gonna have to
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: start paying attention to the food. This is really hard
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: and deep what I'm trying to explain here, But I
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: do think like maybe they can't make it fast. Yeah,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: it's almost like you're there's nothing there for your body
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: to have to actually spend any energy.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Sure, so you can concentrate the energy on magical stuff. Yes,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: it makes sense, Yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: That does make sense. I didn't I put in my
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: notes to ask you guys about it because I couldn't
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: figure out what it meant. Because I forgot about that
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: little twig thing in his pocket and you pull it
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: out and you just eat a twig a day.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: It was like a mint leaf as a kid.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: Right, I was like, this is all.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: It's that they put in gum to make it, you know, so.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: We uh, we haven't. He went on quite a journey
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: to get that dagger. I'm assuming there's some some elements
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: of this journey that has some deeper understandings. So Old
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: uh Chandler gar Old there goes to to bet Well,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: technically it was again Mammoth Lakes, California, but you know,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: they did a good job and make it look like Tibet.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: But I got a clip for us here in that
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: in that journey on to get this your dagger.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 11: Took my money.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 8: We have come to ask for the sacred cross dagger
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 8: over John Ty for what reason?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: For the golden child?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: So that's the sacred cross right.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: Before the funny part.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: No, I got I got that coming up. I want
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: I want to talk. I got that coming up, Julia,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: don't worry about it. So that's the sacred cross dagger
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: of Satan.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 6: Huh, Well, he's only Satan when he's like all over
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: the place, when he's single pointed in his will. Then
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: he reaches apotheosis. He becomes like you could, Okay, I'm
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: gonna use like a word. It's gonna get me in trouble,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: but I'm just gonna say anyway he can. He becomes
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: christ like, if you want to say it like that,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: you can say it like that.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: It's okay, Sure, it's okay, Yeah, it's okay. So what
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: are we looking at here with this whole scene before
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: we get to that, I didn't leave out the funny part, Julia,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: trust me, I got that here. What are we looking
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: at here with this whole scene? He's walking into spending
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: these uh these pillars and you know, talking to this
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: guy who's this wizard fellow slash bird. What are you
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: all thoughts on that?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: Say that again?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: The whole scene. He walks into here with his temple
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: and he's got to spend his pillars and he's talking
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: to the wizard bird fella, you know, egg shin mm hmm.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: What's all this about? And then why would this why
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: would this knife the house there? You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: why are these are the keepers of the knife? Is
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: that we're looking at here? These monks?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh, I don't know. I saw that part of
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: like the Hero's journey.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: I put that it was the hero's journey in my notes,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: but I grouped this scene in with like him having
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: to carry the water and the Yeah, that's.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: What I was getting at. Yep, that's going across.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: The bridge and doing all. So I mean I grouped
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: this scene in with the scene that follows as the
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: hero's journey part of the story, which the hero's journey.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, Christ falls into the hero's journey thing, right,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: So I don't think it's bad to say that. I
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: think it's like an archetype.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome to say that, Julia, you and Jen both can
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: make Christ references here on Operation GCD. It's it's not banned,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: it's not censored. Well say that dead, I think, huh,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: I said, even Numcy won't mind he's dead.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: I think, oh really, I always thought he was a
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: good looking guy. I didn't know he was dead.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: Well, the actor I think is alive. He played a
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: villain in last section hero as well. But yeah, here
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: in the film does not need a good end. And
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: again when we're I know there's a lot of Eastern
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: mysticism stuff, but I mean, it's hard to not see
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: this through a you know, a very Christian Satanic lens
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: of the Satanic Panic era, right Well, I am.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: A Christian, so I feel like that's the only lens
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: that I look through a lot of times. But I mean,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: I always love to talk to people like Jin and
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Nick because they get me to look outside of my
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: own perspective on things and to understand like we can
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: all be right at the same time. But it's like
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: I always say, it's like a five layer of burrito,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: and there's many layers to it. There's like many things
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: a Christian is.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: That does that? Does that work out well? In this inspectives,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: you can map it all to the tree for formerly.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: It doesn't really matter.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: You can honestly look at everything like Kabala, like you
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 6: like what Julia said, you can just understand that Kabbala
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: sickly and then there's no problems, so you can kind
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: of look at all the systems and say like, Okay,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: this is what this prefers, and this is how to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: get there. But you don't have to agree. It's just
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: just like you can look at it and say, yeah,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: this is the relative truth, so you're sure fine with that.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: So that's how I feel about like most other religions,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: not all of them, but like Christianity for sure, Like
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: it's a Christian kabala makes perfect sense to me.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: There's it's no problem.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Joe's aside and dragon rapes aside. I think you know
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: when I was getting at with the Satan figure here
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: nupsy here, you know, he he's they obviously have these
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: satanic cold elements, you know, tied in He're like we're
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: talking abou before with the the bicker gangs, the kidnappings,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: the you know, these these common tropes and understandings of this,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: these real world situations that that transpired but are depicted
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: here in this film. But what I always like to
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: say also in those regards is like those people that
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: are doing these things, they don't believe in Satan. Also,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: it was one thing I was, That's what I was,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I was getting at. That's what I was good.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: So you really aren't you.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: Really aren't an alien Christian or whatever.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: Formerly, what does.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: That mean that Jesus was terrestrial or what that?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know God lives on cool op. That's
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: a different story altogether near the Star series.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: A serious guy.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, very very much.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Now that was the first twenty two years of my life.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: I recently just surpassed the you know, I've now longer
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: been not a Mormon than I was a Mormon.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: So, oh, Mormonism, huh, let's see.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Sorry, you're a good Dude's good.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: I just want to say that Heidi already knows this,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: but like I kind of I'm very fascinated by like
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: how Mormons think of like the tree and like what
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: they're doing. I'm not I don't want to be a Mormon.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: I'm not a Mormon or anything like that.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Sign right now, Jane, let's get let's make it happen enough.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know anything about it, but I'm just I
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 6: just like it for the Kabbala.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: Mother ship.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: All right, what's the ship.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: Let's last off, let's let's check out that phony scene
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: here though from where he is to do another scene?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: There, said him, ask it.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: I said, I want the knife.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: Let him ask again, I want the knife. Please.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 13: Only a man whose heart is pure can wield a knife,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 13: and if you're such a man, you will have it.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: I you did clips too, by the way, because that's
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: what makes the movie breakdowns the best.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree. Apparently YouTube does not agree,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: though YouTube is not liking the use of the clips.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: But I totally agree with you the clips.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: I was hoping you would include the clip where he's
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: at that medicinal shop and looking at all the herbs
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, yeah, that's good to keep the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: yang up. And he's like, nothing wrong with my yang.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that one.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: I know, the one you're talking the team you're talking about, though, No,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: it's a classic Gatees Murphy, right, it's some classic Gateatees Murphy.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: But the this idea though, of this machination of this
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: kind of satanic elements cult stuff in Los Angeles with
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: this Tibetan Buddhism stuff, to me just rings the rings
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: back to my you know, uh, digging through the thoughts
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: of my brain. Ole here I recall at Sanders Files.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: You know, the author of the family there, the Manson family,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: the actual good book on the Manson family, contemporary to
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: the actual crimes, not the Bugles nonsense. But at Sanders
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: wrote his you know, at the same time was writing
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: writing his book there in the early seventies, and I
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: think it was published in seventy four. But sanders investigation
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: was yielding some results that seemed to indicate there was
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: imagination of Buddhist ideas, telemic ideas, and theosophical ideas I believe,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: into a into a cold faction that was also a
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: Cali worshiping cold faction out of Japan called the Shing
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: Gong cult, not Chin Gon, but Shin gone with the
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: s So.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 6: This totally correlates to what I know of like certain
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: we'll call them, like I guess they would have been
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: like process offshoots or whatever, and so like Michel's.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: What this was supposedly right, the four Pie allegedly was
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: a was a fore gone.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: Cult, that's right.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, I you know, this is the
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 6: thing is that there was there were in Nepal during
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: this whole post war period.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: There have been colleague kind of cults that.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: Are like parts Sulima just like you're saying they're like
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: parts of Adriana, they're parts Hindu like Tontra, they're parts
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: like Satanism, their parts process, Like it's kind of a
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: weird blend, but it's like taking the most transgressive elements
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: of all of them. So pretty much that's what I
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: kind of understand of them is that they're just like really,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 6: So Collie in Tntra is related to Saturn, so that
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: would immediately place her in Bana. So if you're looking
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: at the tree as like a ten or eleven spheared structure,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: she would never go at Keather. She would always go
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: at Bana, if you're really understanding what she is. So
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: they're looking at it as like this this this way
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: to like it's kind of like the black cube matrix,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: Like everybody loves that kind of like thing.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: That's kind of what it is.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: But you're putting yourself in the box, like you're putting
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: yourself in the cube. You're densifying the world around you.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 6: And so Nick brought up at the very beginning, like
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 6: we were talking about Golden Child and like I don't know,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: he said to Jamatri or something, and he said it
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: was related to Vishnu. So Vishnu is related to Banah
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 6: and related to Saturn very closely. So there's this relationship
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 6: that you can sort of in Viishnavism, which is a
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: kind of Hinduism, you pray to Vishnu through Bakhdi. So
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 6: it's like considered to be like devotional love. You pray
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: so hard that eventually it will liberate you or eject
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: you from the cube or whatever it is, but it
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: will take it supposedly will take you millions of lifetimes.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: So in a more tonic way, you would never get
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: stuck here. But obviously these people, you know, they're really
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: fixated on Callie, So that would be obviously a big
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: problem from a Buddhist perspective, because you wouldn't just fixate
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: on a deity or their name or you know, their
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: ferocious presentation.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: Those are conceptual ideas.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: You're saying, this is a unique, more of an extremist
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: view of these situations, right.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an annihilationist, very extremist, very very.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Non if you will non.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: Keno, because it's not about embracing.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: Love or like the beauty of Maya, the beauty of
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 6: the garden, or like you know, connections with other people.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: It's like kind of.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: The tracking Jin. I'm catching on to this Kina business.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: I'll get there eventually.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: But you're the so the Keno thing is to love
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: the world and like accept it for what it is,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: and then their view is to like they're kind of
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 6: Calvinist almost in their way.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: They're like, we're going to degrade the world.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 6: We're going to do all the sin in the world,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 6: and we're going to make it like from the Ashes,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: We're going to remake it. But you don't really get
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 6: to control the cosmic cycle. That's a more Buddhist view. Obviously,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 6: they do believe that they can like influence the cosmic cycle,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: but I I don't personally believe they can.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: JJ.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: Have you heard of the Thuggy cult that was doing
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: all the Cali worshiping stuff.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: I think you told me about that somebody I thought
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just covered them. I'm doing a new series
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: on different cults. It's called Into the CULTI Verse, and
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: I covered the Thuggie Cult and they were like Cali
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: worshipers whatever, whatever. But if you really look into it,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: because like I always say, there's like a five L
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: a burrito the thuds, You're I'm getting real hungry, main dude,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: I love Taco bell Ship. If you look go all
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: the way back into history with the Thuggie cults, they
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: could have possibly been assassins under the employee of the
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: Brahmin family. And I know we just spoke to about
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: the Brahmin family in connection with Tuesday World and the
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: Boston Brahmins, and so like, yeah.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: There's we're talking Indian Brahmins because that's Kamala Harris's people
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the that's the same instead I'm talking about. So, yeah,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: there's a level of like Cali worshiping or whatever, but
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: if you really look under the surface, it's all tied
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: up in these weird royal bloodline families and stuff. So
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: it's like you said about the Manson thing, it's more
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: than just like the Buglios. Oh they hated cops or
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: whatever the fuck he was trying. It's starting a race war.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: It's like, no, let's let's really look at this. Peel
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: the layers back and look.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: At I think, was they wore too much petuli oil?
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my guess it went mad from the peculia oil.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: They had made oil disease.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: They had petuli oil bo stink.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: I like, so I'll send up for it.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it's all okay.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 6: I actually like Betty Arbeto so but no you I
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 6: mean you're totally right, both of you guys, Like you know,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 6: there is there's like deeper connections, Like Vagiana has a
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 6: lot of connections to some of these obviously Mexiom and
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 6: other things, and it's kind of like the old ideas
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 6: that we lived in the Caliyuga, Like bringing up this
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 6: idea of Collie. It's not directly one to one related
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 6: to the goddess, but you can use it as an
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: archetypal metaphor. So she's like very destructive. She's destroying the
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 6: old system kind of, but it's also bringing things in.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 6: So her power is really magnetization, but it's the destruction
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 6: through time. So you can think of it like traveling
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 6: through space. You're degrading, you're getting older, exactly that same thing,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 6: and then you're gonna go to the carnal ground and
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 6: become a skeleton and you know, like take on a
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 6: new rebirth eventually. So that's what she's doing. It's kind
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 6: of like bringing you through the cosmic cycle. So that
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: Julia was talking about these like Brahmin families a lot
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 6: of the Brahmin casts, so it's like a birth cast
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 6: that you're born into. They they do believe in this
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 6: Vish New figure, so they will outwardly pray to the
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 6: Vish New Figure. But there is also a secret idea
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 6: that that you will do a Shakta tontra or Goddess
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 6: tontra secretly at night, even though you pray to this
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 6: like very orthodox heroic kind of like good guy. You know,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 6: he's the hero of the bag Gita. He's like, you know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 6: he's the king of heaven. But at night you're doing
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 6: something more transgressive, more contric more secret, mystery called stuff.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I think there's a really interesting idea with that.
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  Speaker 6: What Julia was saying, it's like kind of always like
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  Speaker 6: the ad, there's an inverse and then there's like it
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  Speaker 6: depends on how you look at it, like from what perspective.
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  Speaker 2: You mean you got to look at it.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: M both ways.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to look at it. No, I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's an interesting one. I was just looking. We're still
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  Speaker 2: up on YouTube there.
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  Speaker 4: Nick, did they kick us off.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: Playing on your clip? Just in case?
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  Speaker 3: I'll probably pull it down after this after the.
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  Speaker 4: Live though, because of the clips those bitches.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna play a little one.
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  Speaker 2: No, I said I won't. I was going to if
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: we weren't. But yeah, I'm looking on both of our channels.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: We're still up yeah, programming there here. But let's uh,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: it's a good it's a good point to wrap this up.
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  Speaker 2: So what may I thank you all for your time
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  Speaker 2: this evening. First and foremost, I appreciate y'all joining me
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: to do a and the cold and and or esoteric
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: review of The Golden Child. Obviously I kind of gave
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: the spoiler alert earlier old Nipsy Dies courtesy of that
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  Speaker 2: dagger and uh, and any any closing contents I can
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  Speaker 2: pass off to y'all, starting starting with you there, Julia.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate your time, ma'am. Great conversation, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just have a few closing ideas for the movie,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: and thanks.
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  Speaker 2: For Yeah, don't feel rushed at all, but absolutely oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 4: Just gonna say I noticed that the movie begins with
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: him resurrecting a bird, and then the movie or the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: movie begins with a resurrection, and it ends with a
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: resurrection because he brings back the moon deity if you will,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: or the Moon goddess, he brings her back, so it
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: starts and ends with a resurrection. Also, at the end
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: of the moon he is bringing monarch butterflies back to life,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: so I don't know if anybody else caught that, but
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: of course, you know the whole monarch thing, so I
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: thought that was pretty significant. And then the house where
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: they're keeping the Golden Child has black and white tile floors,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: So those were some of the main things at the
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: end of the movie that I thought would be cool
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: to mention for this breakdown. But yeah, like I said,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: I've been looking for somebody to want to talk about
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: this for a couple of years now, just because I
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: feel like there's so many litted bits in there that
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: are cool and it's a hilarious movie, and it's for me.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: I like to cover nostalgic childhood movies that I loved,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: and this is one of them for sure. I watched
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 4: it all the time when I was a kid. So
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you for joining us. I feel the same
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: way about the nostalgic movies of my childhood, you know,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: and this is up there with Goonies for me.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: This one is I love Goonies.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 5: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks again, Nick. Do you have any closing statements on
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: the on your review of the film, or any any
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: thoughts or any plugs you'd like to to discuss your.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I was a I was excited we
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: got to do it because I definitely think it's a
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: deeply occulted movie for sure. Uh yeah. I thought this
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: was great. It was great. Everybody had great stuff to say.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Besides that, for me, the one thing that I just
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: do want to push is in which I think, like
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: we're all probably saying it anyway, I do think there's
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: a cabalistic tale. And you know, there's cabalistic symbolism in
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: this movie for sure, And I think you can if
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: you pay attention and look at it with the colors
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: and certain symbols and the male and female characters, I
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: think you'll see it. That's it.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: Nice. Anything coming up on the Occult Rejects.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah again, let's see. I can tell you a
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: few things that are coming out. Oh yeah, we got
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: to more of My Mafia coming out on Audio Red
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: Halfer this Friday. We got to Mary in Deedies next
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: week with Great Pilled and The Coral Castle with Library,
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: the untold coming out, So.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Don't don't forget about vampire lady.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, yea the vampire. Yes that was.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: She was a nice vampire. She didn't try to eat anybody.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll drop on audio as well for people who
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: have not heard that yet. That's already been done and
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: I think it's still out on the live so check
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: it out now.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm leaving that up.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, for share your time, sir Jen, for
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: share your time, sir Any. Closing thoughts on the the
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece The Golden Child.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 6: So if you research Ken McLeod, he wrote a new book.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 6: I mentioned it right at the beginning, Magic of Bagriana.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 6: He talks about all the stuff that Nick and I
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 6: just discussed, like a lot. He understands Kabala as well,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 6: like or he just he's able to like the system
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 6: doesn't matter. He just kind of gets he's had the experience,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 6: or it doesn't really matter. He's just describing something so
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 6: everybody can. I'm not recommending him necessarily, but if you
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 6: look into his background, he actually has a really interesting teacher.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 6: I'm sure JJ would find it really fascinating, and who
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 6: was sort of the object of his own perhaps a scandal,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 6: will say in the past. But I'm not casting aspersions
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 6: on anyone. I'm just saying it is kind of interesting.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 6: But he is a very interesting teacher, and I think
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 6: he has some profound things to say. And I think
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 6: he obviously consulted. I think he taught, like showed them
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 6: how to use the couplistic ideas, but like make sure
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 6: it was as much as it is syncretic. I think
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 6: it keeps too like it's a Vaseer film. You could
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 6: say it like really has that aesthetic, but it also
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 6: keeps true to a lot of the ideas. So I
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 6: want to just say thank you so much to JJ,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 6: thank you so much to Nick always bringing me on.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 6: Nick really appreciate it. And of course Julia, I've we've
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 6: worked together. I think this is our fourth time, but
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 6: we've never we spoke a little of this c less
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 6: So I will end on this. I told you waning,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 6: So waning is more my thinking, whereas like you're trying
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 6: to like cast the sort of like the bad luck
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 6: into the past.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: That's why these the barber tips.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love these tips. I love these tips.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 6: So if it's waning, Moon, you cut your hair and
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 6: then you burn, like as I said, you can burn it.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 6: So that's like casting the old you into the past.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 6: Or if you want, like to feel more beautiful, that's
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 6: a good maybe word to use. You could do it
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 6: on a waxing moon, because I would like sort of
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 6: empower you. So it's like either idea. I'm more of
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 6: a waning person just because I always think like that,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 6: but maybe it was good. It's good to consider balance.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: Well, I will say this and I'm so glad you
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: brought it up again. God bless you because my appointments
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: tomorrow and it is a waning moon.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 14: I uh.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: Over the last year. I've been through a lot, divorced
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: and all kinds of stuff, and so like my ex
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: husband touched this hair, and I want it off my head.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 4: I want to cut. I want it gone off of me.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: I want a new fresh start. So I think the
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: way No, I'm I'm just thinking it's all at least
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: half of it's got to go. It's got to go.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: So oh, Julia, pretty frightening, looking like very intimidating, No
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: one want to with you. She just got mohawk.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: I could be a ginger mohawk kind of gal, I might,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: I might do that. I don't know. We'll see, but
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the waning moon on this one,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 4: Jin because I need a new me, a new year.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: Knew me.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 13: Well.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 6: I'm glad that I could rectify that, because I did.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 6: I felt bad leaving you on the waiting thing knowing
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 6: that there was two, but I didn't really think of
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 6: that at first, so I'm glad I could correct it.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 6: So thank you for giving me that, and of course,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 6: thank you to JJ for inviting me to do these
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 6: uh o call film reviews. Everybody knows it's my favorite.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 6: I love the Agitator podcast as well with j David Osborne,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 6: and he's going to come on my show, and you know,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 6: they talk.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 5: About Japanese movies.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 6: Obviously, doing cinema reviews is kind of my secret dream
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 6: as a podcaster, but I'm more of an occultist really, so.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 5: Very thank you so much.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all. It's one of my favorite films. I'm
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: glad we got a chance to discuss it. Definitely a
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: big fan of The Golden Child. And thanks to all
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: folks of the interwebs for joining us again. JJ Vance
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: not the vice president host of Operations GCD, also co
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: host of Fridays There with Nick on the the Occult
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: Rejects Operations GCD mash up there. So thanks again everyone,
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  Speaker 2: have a good evening,