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1984 - Five Kids, One Dream: Seeing Van Halen Live [Episode 176] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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Seeing those brawls and panties come from all over the garden on this stage,
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it was like, where's this covert from. We're all altar boys too.
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We were also on the court trying to figure out how a damn Scott got
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into the concert, right. We all had to go to confession on Monday.
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When we got that school were totally rock and roll. I mean,
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gotta leave you. You're reading Little Hens says it's time to rock and roll.
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Read roll up. I totally booked. Welcome back to book Don Rock
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the podcast for those about to read and rock online. It booked on rock
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dot com. You can find every episode there, along with links to the
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listening platforms, exclusive videos, blogs, and the latest rockbook releases. We
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have Jim Serger, Chris Berger, and Todd Zimmerman on the podcast. They're
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here to tell the story behind their brand new book Jump fortieth anniversary of attending
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the nineteen eighty four Van Halen concert. This is the true coming of age
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story of five teenagers and their experience attending a Van Halen concert. Back in
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nineteen eighty four. The band was at the height of their success thanks to
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their number one single Jump and We're Packing areaders around the country, including the
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Cincinnati Gardens in Cincinnati, Ohio, on March ninth, nineteen eighty four.
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That experience was life changing for Jim and his friends. They experienced the enduring
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power of music, and we're here to share that experience with us. Hey,
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guys, welcome to the podcast. Thanks Eric, thanks for having Thanks
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for having us. Eric. It's always great to meet fellow Van Halen diehards.
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Yeah exactly. I love it. I love it, and you guys.
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I envy you guys because I was about I was the same age as
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you actually around there. I was twelve in nineteen eighty four, but I
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didn't get to see the band until ninety one. I think was my first
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Van Halen show. So I'm going to live vicariously through the three of you
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guys tonight. So and I do see do we have a No Bozo's shirt?
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Chris theres? Oh? Yeah, of course. Okay. This is
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my staple for all the book signings, for everything we go. Its like
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I got to do this. I was worried though, because Todd and I
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were at a record store this past weekend and he's got one too. I
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meant to text you, Todd and say, hey, make sure we don't
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swin it up tonight, or a yeah. For those not in the know
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that aren't huge Van Helen fans, that's a shirt that Eddie would wear,
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and I think he maybe wore it around that time. I think it was
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nineteen eighty four, maybe that he Yeah, it was eighty four, because
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we got a picture of him backstage at the Gardens wearing this with a red
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jacket over top of it. So all right, that's how everything came around
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where I'm like, oh, I need that shirt. I love it,
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and I want to ask you about some of these photos too. So let's
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start. Well, Jim, we'll stow with you the title of the book.
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Let's start there. You specifically use the band's song Jump for the title.
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That was the first song that I remember hearing. Probably saw the video
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first then the song, but I could just distinctly remember being in the living
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room twelve years old, seeing that video coming on, see Dave new the
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Splits and Eddie doing what he does for you. That song has a special
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meeting absolutely, So, just like you explained, I was twelve in December
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of nineteen eighty three when Jump came out. I didn't have an older brother
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or an older sister that I could live vicariously through through the musical influence of
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more older rock bands, or even Van Halen one or Van Halen two.
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At the same time MTV is being released in our household and across Cincinnati area,
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and matter of fact, across the United States, everybody was being welcomed
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to Martha Quinn and Jackson and everybody else. And when the video came out
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on January I think the second of nineteen eighty four, the song was already
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playing through the airs, and all of these guys, Todd and Chris and
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all my seventh grade buddies were like, have you heard this song? Have
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you seen the video? This is unbelievable. I mean, all of us
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were in the right place at the right time when Jump came out. So
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it wasn't only just about seeing Van Halen, because I didn't know that much
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about Van Halen at the age of twelve. I knew enough to be walking
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into the concert we were going to, but by by no means was I
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ha van Halen experts. I mean, my dad was listening to John Denver
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and the Kingsey Triom, Yeah right, the Beach Boys, and I can
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still remember to this day when MTV started playing that, my mom would come
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into the family room and say, who are these goofy guys? What kind
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of altit is this? And then she say okay, and then she would
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sit down, and then she became mesmerized by him, and then she started
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saying, Oh, I know Eddie, he's married to Valerie. Oh,
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I've heard of David the Ros because my cousin's best friend's nephew's sister heard him
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from Van hale And then all of a sudden, the whole family is hunkered
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around watching the music video Jump. And when you say Jump, the first
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thing I think of his Van Halen. I could be in the car,
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I could be on an airplane, in an airport, at another venue,
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just sitting outside, and someone says, Jump goes right there, Van Haling.
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So Jump introduced me and my buddy's to Van Haleen, and that's why
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we came up with the cover of Jump. He's the cake. You know.
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So you guys all went to school together. Yes, okay, we
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all get So when does this story start? Like, when do you start
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to formulate this idea? Actually, before we do that, let's let's talk
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about the people involved. Let's get all the names here, so because there's
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six people total, seven total, seven to you and six others. So
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we have Chris Burger. Jimmy is a pronounced Myers. That's correct, Jimmy
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Myers, Jimmy Myers. Then Jim Myers, that's correct. That's his dad.
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Okay, that's his dad. All right. Chris Burger is here.
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We have Todd Zimmerman who's here as well, Skip Berger and Mike. Yeah,
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Skip is my dad. Okay, he's the he's the police officer.
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He's the policeman. Yeah. Cool. He's the one that made everything happen
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for me. Nice. Oh my god, that's so awesome. Start from
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the beginning. You guys are in school one day and you say, hey,
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they're coming around. We got to go see him, And how does
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this all start? Well, do you want me to take it? Because
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I'm the one who didn't have a ticket, and I'm the one who kind
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of got left out aside with everything. Take it. I think it's great.
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I think, oh gosh, yeah, just like Jim said, it
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was all you know, hearing that song, and this was before, of
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course, anything with the Internet or Spotify or anything like. Oh you had
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to grab the cable box hit MTV at the right time to see that video,
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and they were playing it constantly on the loop. It was probably once
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every hour. And then we started hearing it on the local radio stations,
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and like Jim said, we didn't know who Van Hallen was. It was
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just that song just struck us and it's like, oh my gosh. And
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then, you know, Todd and Jim started talking about, you know,
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having to go get ticket to go see it at the concert. Unfortunately,
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when all that planning happened, I wasn't involved because right away my dad,
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my mom and dad said nope, you're not going. My dad worked a
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lot of concerts here in Cincinnati, goes I know what goes on in front
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of the stage and backstage. You are not going. You are a good
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Catholic boy, you will say. Oh. But but then I hear,
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you know, Todd and Uh and Jim start using my dad as the reason
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why they are allowed to go, because oh, he'll be at the concert,
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he'll watch over us and everything. So they used my dad as a
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pawn to be able to go get tickets, where I sat without absolutely nothing
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to go. I love it, Todd, tell me about you're involvement in
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this and when did you first find out about it. I remember specifically,
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we were sitting in mister Pearson's class I believe it was, and we were
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kind of puddled around, you know, just talking about it. Like Jim
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said with the video, you know, the old joke that I said,
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we tell our kids now was back in my days, missed an episode or
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something that I said it was drawn for life. Yeah, well, if
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you were lucky enough to have the record button ready to go when Jump came
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on, you were at home just ready to hit record on that BCR and
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get it recorded. So yeah, same thing. I came home, I
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asked my parents and said, hey, all my friends want to go.
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Immediately they were kind of like, yeah, not happening. You know,
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the Cincinnati Gardens isn't in a good part town, you know, blah blah
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blah. I said, oh, no, mister Burger is going to be
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working the concert. My dad and mister Berger and mister Serger, we're all
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really good friends. All three of them coached us on the baseball team,
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and once I sold them on, mister Burger was going to be there.
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Making it sound like, you know, kind of the book said he's going
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to be in the rafters with his sniper life keeping an eye on us.
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Eventually they were sold on it, and they're like, okay, well absolutely
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so. Uh, I mean that's the only way that this could happen.
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I mean you're twelve years old, thirteen years old, I mean you're not
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getting into the show. Well, that's the thing that's so cool about it,
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to be able to get to see the show at that age, because,
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yeah, the only way you can go is having an adult there with
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you. And even though we got all our parents to say yes, we
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still had to talk an adult into taking us. Sure. There was no
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way we were going to be allowed to go, even with mister Berger there.
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So that's when we had to work on mister Myers to get him to
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take us. And luckily mister Myers was just okay, I love the baby
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smoking a cigarette on the album cover too. That was an issue for Chris,
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your mom, I think, right, oh, yeah, one hundred
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percent. Yeah. When when I first went to go, I think at
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the time, it was Camelot Records or whatever was up at the mall,
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and luckily the first one I bought was the cassette team, So it's kind
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of shrunken down in everything. And you know, I told my mom wanted
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to buy it. She didn't think anything of it. You know, I
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had my allowance money, so I was able to buy it. But once
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I got home, took that cassette out, popped it in the boom box.
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I left the cassette on the kitchen table, and when she picked it
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up and started looking at you because that's a baby. Oh, it's smoking
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a cigarette and it's got two other packs of cigarettes. What what are you
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listening to here? And stuff? And that's when you know, the song
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jump and everything. She's like, okay, I understand it and stuff.
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And my mom was great, you know, she she probably actually said,
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you know, okay, just don't show your dad that and stuff. And
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even though my dad at the time was smoking everything, it was still taboo
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and yeah, oh god, but that's kind of what's missing from rock and
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rolls. There was some danger there. It was like the band that your
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parents didn't want you to listen to. You know. It was that which
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started really with Elvis and all those guys back in the day, right,
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But that a lot of that was Dave David Lee is the guy who was
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just he was thinking about all that stuff. Oh yeah, thank god he
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was wearing spandex and jumping around and his his blonde locks going. Because there's
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like Jim said, that's what got our moms hooked and everything. It was
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like okay, this is okay and everything like yeah, right, it's all
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good. Yeah it was. So the Cincinnati Gardens two nights March eight,
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March nine, nineteen eighty four. So those are the two shows you end
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up going to the second night, so like how do you get Okay,
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so the tickets you have to wait in line? I mean those days?
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Is this you can't do it online? You're absolutely right, Eric, that's
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the missing part in the book. Nobody think there's a missing key to everything,
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or you know, the hidden message behind the book, And through brainstorming
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with everybody over and over and creating the book for over a year, nobody
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really can figure out whose mom or whose dad stood in line at ticket tron
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and ran through the mall, up the stairs to the window because it couldn't
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have been us. Yeah, there's no way my parents would let me miss
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a Catholic school for one day to say I'm going to get van Halen tickets,
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There's no way. So somebody's parents actually darted out and ran up the
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stairs to ticket tron and then to get rode ten feet. They had to
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have been there really early, right, Yeah, those are sweet seats man
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row ten right in the middle. I think I can tell you this.
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It wasn't my mom pitching a tent on the sidewalk in a sleeping bag.
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There's no way my dad would have done that. So wow, so it's
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still a mystery, Yeah, it is. It had to be somebody fast
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though, and able to knock people down, because to get the tickets,
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didn't you have to go upstairs? And it would had to have been an
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adult, right, because a twelve thirteen year old they'd have to you have
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to show your ID right right? Correct? Correct? Wow, this is
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mind blowing. The cost of the ticket was twelve dollars twelve dollars and fifty
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cents to see Van Halen tenth row center, right, It was right,
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correct, correct. There's a picture of the ticket in the book too.
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A lot of you guys kept a lot of stuff from that show, which
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is which is great because then ye think about that. Well, I was
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going to say, looking at the ticket and everything we all know nowadays,
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how there's all these additional charges every time you buy something. I think the
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tax on that ticket was thirty three cents. That was the only thing over
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it. It was like today it would be one fifty dollars for its exactly
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service, twelve fifty for a beer is probably would thousand. Yeah, somewhat
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important to the story. You mentioned him skip Berger, the real life Dirty
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Harry, That is correct life. So he's working both nights and at first
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he tells you, Chris that he couldn't go, but it was meeting the
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band on the first night that changed his mind. Tell us one hundred percent,
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he was. He was backstage. Actually, Uh, the way everything
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worked out, he worked a lot of details when we were growing up,
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and that was you know, Uh, the salary of being a cop was
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nothing, but he made all of his extra money with working details. He
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was making twice as much doing the details. So he was always working and
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everything. One of the things that he did was always working the concerts and
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everything. So he got picked do the Van hailn concert boat nights Thursday and
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Friday night. He was outside to begin with, and then his supervisor called
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him and said, hey, I need you to go backstage. I needed
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to take care of the band, watch over, make sure do security and
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everything like that. And it just so happened that he started striking up a
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conversation with Eddie. And you know, at the time, we're talking about
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the Jump video and everything, and my dad's watching the video. He's like,
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oh my gosh, these guys you know, rock and roll and stuff
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like that. He already had this stereotype of meeting the likes of from led
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Zeppelin and stuff, right, right, So he's talking to Eddie and you
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know, my dad's a tough guy really to crack and become his friend and
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everything. But apparently they just hit it off, you know, had some
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sort of connection and everything like that. And in the well, I'm sorry
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to interrupt, but you know what, Eddie loved real people. He did.
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He wanted to be treated like a regular person. So he probably treated
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him that way. Yeah, and yeah, he didn't look at him as
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a rock star. He looked at him as a rigor person. And you
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know, we say it all the time. They both showed each other,
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you know, respect, and I think that was part of the thing that
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they hit it off and started talking and Eddie brought up to asked if my
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dad had kids and goes, yeah, I have two kids, one's twelve,
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and he said, is he here tonight? And my dad goes,
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oh, no, no, no, he's not here, you know,
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it's a school night. And everything goes, is he coming tomorrow night?
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And my dad goes, no, no, his mom and I really don't
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want him here and stuff like that, and Eddie looked at my dad in
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the face said bring your son tomorrow night, and I want you to bring
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him back here to meet us and everything. And then at that point I
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still didn't know anything because the concert got over. God's probably about eleven or
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eleven thirty that night. My dad was still working. He actually called my
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mom like at one o'clock in the morning. As the story went and stuff,
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my mom was freaking out something happened with my dad and everything. So
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even though my dad was okay with me going, he had to convince my
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mom to let me go. So they had the conversation. She said it
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was okay, and I'll never forget because the newspaper article is in the book.
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I came down for lunch get ready for school on that Friday morning,
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and there was that newspaper article there talking about the concert from Thursday night and
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Mike reading as I'm like, okay, thanks, mom, really rub it
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in. All my friends are going and I'm not. You got a huge
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smile on her face that said you're allowed to go. You're allowed to go.
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I go, Well, I don't have a ticket, goes, don't
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worry. Your dad's got everything taken care of. Then, as they say,
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the rest is history at that point. Yeah, just to set it
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up to Cincinnati Gardens, it's no longer around. Built in nineteen forty seven,
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torn down in twenty eighteen, so just fairly recently torn down, which
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makes me think the Live Without a Net show in New Haven was right near.
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I went to college in New Haven, so that's kind of I can
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I can relate to that. You know, it's just since been destroyed,
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torn down, it's gone. This was a pretty cool venue, right,
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I mean it had going back to Chuck Berry, Jerry Lewis, the Beatle.
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I mean this what was this? I believe it was also when it
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was built, so it was the home of Xavior basketball right for them to
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play college and I believe it was the home of Cincinnati Royals. It was
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Robinson. Oh wow, did you see so? Yeah, that was like
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your regular coliseum, right. I had the monster truck rallies in the circus
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and you know anything else that came to town and the I mean, I
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don't even know what it sat Jim, you saw that. What was about
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eighteen thousand. It was the fourth largest indoor venue when it was built in
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the United States. It could actually see almost eleven thousand people inside there.
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Yeah, so eleven and the fourth biggest that's right, Yeah, that's right,
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right, right, right. But it was built in a time when
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everybody was the baby boomers were just starting to come to life. They had
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ice skating there almost twenty four hours a day, so they hockey was big
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for our parents in their youth. They used to love it and they would
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have high school dances there. So there was more to it than just building
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it for University of Cincinnati or Xavier. The mindset behind that was I can
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get everybody from everywhere within the VI city of Cincinnati to come here, because
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that was one of the first venues built between here and Dayton and even northern
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Kentucky and even southeast Indiana. So you could get a lot of people there
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very quickly to pack the place out, and like Todd said, it was
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packed all the time, wooden seats, the ceiling dripped if it was too
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much. So it's almost like I think of the Boston Garden type of right
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right, right, So to for van Halen to set up their equipment inside
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that small capacity when they're coming from l a rehearsing and they come to this
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little tiny thing, and for the ingenuity behind that and the high rise got
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up speaker after speaker after speaker after speaker. I mean, I can only
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imagine how many brown eminem's they had to before get out because that engineer to
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Cincinnati Gardens is going, Okay, we're going from hockey to college basketball.
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Now we're bringing in the Beatles. And that's fine, you know, Chuck
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Berry, that's fine, Elvis, that's fine. But now you're gonna bring
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in this maga rock band that's gonna blow you away with so many killobots,
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it's gonna be unbelievable. I can only imagine what those guys and girls thought
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when they got the manual and the mail. Yeah, stage, that stage
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was so massive that it probably blocked hundreds of seats in that venue. But
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I read something it said they sold those seats to people. There are apparently
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people that sat behind the stage. They couldn't see anything, but they were
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cheaper, but they still sold them to try and get people in. The
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stage was enormous, it was, yeah, and those speakers on top of
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it, like you said, everywhere it was just, oh my gosh.
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And like you said, that's the first show we have ever been to.
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And I know, uh, you know, autograph opened up and I think
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they probably had what five ten speakers and we thought, right, was loud,
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and then all of a sudden they dropped the drape and then all these
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hundreds of speakers and it's like and then Eddie starts out and it's like,
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oh my gosh, I'm still I can't believe that roof didn't give in that
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night. Yeah, that was the loudest thing I had ever heard before in
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my life. Who's the one that put the wax in his ears? Uh?
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That was right. That happens when you're a day to make kids,
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you know how to go through all the stays, right, I mean,
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my dad just said good luck trying to come home and once you know,
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right, Yeah, he had just taking his kids to the Kiss concert before
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that, so or his older boys. So he learned about the bes wax
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and he was a pharmacy right the book down. Rock podcasts will be back
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after this. Jim Serger, Todd Zemmerman, Chris Berger, authors of Jump
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fortieth anniversary of attending the nineteen eighty four van Halen concert. It's on sale.
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Now, take us back to that moment you sit down in the seat
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and what's going through your mind. Our expectations, Eric was, we were
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going to go see van Halen. That was it one and done. Like
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Todd and I always at no opening act said, we didn't know anything about
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an opening act. We had no clue. We were coming there to see
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van Halen and perform on stage and do the jump and unchained and dead or
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alive or whatever they were gonna do to blow us away. And I was
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standing next to mister Myers and and Mike was next to me and Chris and
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Todd, and when they opened it up, it's autographs and everybody's like,
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what what's going on? This is a two for one? Even the red
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hair like, what's going on here? I mean, I don't even know.
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And we were blown away. We got to see two concerts and one
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night and and that song that's Autograph is famous for the radio. Their drummer
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was buddies with Dave and they would jog together and so Dava. But you
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know about the t the T shirt band story, and you know so Autograph
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Autograph was was known as a T shirt band. Okay, Van Helen would
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pick bands, not that they were terrible or anything, but there wasn't like
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they wanted a band where people would get out of their seats and go buy
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some T shirts some Van Hills. Oh okay, that's great. Yeah,
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so that was just like, yeah, good band, but we don't want
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them to be like too good to go to the merch beef and buy some
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stuff. But it's funny is in communicating with others about this concert. There
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was a guy that chimed in through Facebook and told me when he watched him
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play at one of the venues on the eighty four tour, they played turned
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Up the Radio two times in one set. They didn't know what else that
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they just played it again. But to go with you, I mean,
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we're tenth row. We were the last section, so there was nobody behind
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us. That was a runway for the police to get the fans across from
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one section of the stadium to the other, so there was nobody behind us.
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It was almost like a exit road in an airplane. We had all
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this space behind us and there they are, and like Chris said, it
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drops and they came flying out and it went so fast. Eric, I
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mean, we were just in all the whole time. And if I was
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a beat writer for the Rolling Stone or Cream or something like that, I
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wouldn't You wouldn't be able to write fast enough, or you'd have to record
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the whole thing because there's so much movement going on. Yeah, I mean
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that's what welcomed me to music. And I compare every concert that I go
24:12
to still to this day to that concert. I have walked out of concerts
24:18
because I'm like, oh my gosh, where where is the stage presence?
24:22
Where at the bar high? I mean, well, we mentioned Kiss.
24:26
The two greatest shows I've ever seen to this day are Van Halen with Dave
24:30
and Kiss. I'm a fan of the Sami era, but with Dave it
24:34
was it was the show right right right. And there's that footage of of
24:41
that tour on YouTube. Even seeing it, like Grainy and it's not the
24:45
greatest footage even that I get the goosebump seeing and they start with unchained and
24:49
Gave's up there on the drum riser he does that split. Yeah, you
24:52
guys is like kids just jaw drop right, Like how is this guy do?
24:56
Because they they were like superheroes. Yeah, and when you know,
25:00
I remember that after autograph wrapped up and everything, and you know, all
25:06
the lights came on and then they dropped the van Halen dropped the backdrop that
25:12
had the caricature with yeah, with the hammer, so that came up,
25:17
and I remember it's all kind of like going, you know, what's going
25:19
on and stuff, and there's all this movement and everything. So I,
25:22
like Jim said, I can't remember it went by like that, but I
25:26
guess it had to be a half an hour forty five minutes for them to
25:30
change the set and get all the speakers up and ready to go. But
25:34
when that light went down in the gardens and it was pitch black, and
25:41
then all of a sudden you heard Eddie start the rift unchained. It was
25:45
like, oh my gosh, insane, what is going on here? And
25:51
then just like you said, Eric, you know, with with Dave jumping
25:55
off the drum set and it just was like, oh my goodness. It
25:59
was like, yeah, we were in awe and you know, I wish
26:03
you know that we had an actual video of us where we were actually can
26:08
replay it, you know, I know we'd do it in our minds and
26:11
stuff, but just to have that moment encapsulate it, to be able to
26:17
see one more time, I would give anything. That's the thing I mean.
26:21
Is there footage of that that exists in the vaults? You know,
26:23
I know Michael Anthony said everything. I think he said everything was recorded on
26:27
audio and video. I could be wrong. Maybe just audio definitely, but
26:32
whatever. I did find the actual audio from Friday night, March ninth,
26:38
at the gardens of the concert we were at. I was going through some
26:42
Van Halen archives and stuff and I came across that, and yeah, just
26:47
to hear that for the first time, and gosh, I just found that,
26:51
you know, towards the end of last year, so it was forty
26:52
years and actually hearing that because you know, we talked about that Unchained is
26:56
my favorite song of all time and just because it brought me back to that
27:02
moment in time and everything. But to actually hear that audio from that night,
27:07
and actually when I heard it for the first time, it was it
27:11
was mind blowing. In their prime late twenties or they were on twenty seven,
27:15
twenty nine years old, It's like, you got to be kidding me.
27:18
It's like this band is from like another planet. Speaking of that being
27:22
from another planet, What was like when you see Eddie break into the solo?
27:26
Oh right, I mean unbelievable, Yeah, because he was busting out
27:32
that thing where he had the it was something that like he could he could
27:34
put the guitar right the clearboard underneath him for the waist and he was doing
27:40
all that stuff. Ryeah, Yeah, that was incredible, you know what
27:42
I mean. He started out with unchained. That was our first you know,
27:47
hearing Eddie live and everything. But when he did Eruption and started that,
27:53
you know, his true solo, it was you know, and I
27:57
told Jim this and it's in the book, It's like every time he played
28:00
the guitar solo, it's like it was talking to you. You could actually
28:04
hear the lyrics even though nobody was singing, but it just spoke to you
28:10
and him just just effortlessly, you know, stringing it never It was just
28:15
yeah, absolutely incredible, absolutely incredible, absolutely brilliant. Yeah. Now when
28:21
Jump plays, everybody goes nuts, Right, that's the big hit. But
28:26
was Panama or a Hot for Teacher? Those weren't released yet? Was it
28:30
just Jump? I think Panama was there. Hot for Teacher didn't come out.
28:34
I think they didn't perform that the music video. But in other words,
28:40
where they already singles, like did people recognize them or the video?
28:44
The videos were I came out after the whole The Monsters of Rock tour was
28:49
open, right, that was their last get together before Roth left. But
28:55
I think Panama was released that video because that was the thing that one of
29:00
the car ride the vand ride over there and stuff. It's like, okay,
29:03
are they going to string Michael Anthony up? Is he going to play
29:06
the Jack Daniels go across the street and yeah, that's they played that and
29:11
that was that was all. Yeah, Tama, Yeah, I'll wait.
29:17
Panama Hid for Teacher was supposedly, from what I could gather, was song
29:22
number two unchained Yeah, High for Teacher. Panama was the last song of
29:29
the set before they came off stage and then went back on for their encore.
29:34
So yes, there was a lot of David Lee banter in between songs
29:40
too, which personally I loved. A lot of the fans were like,
29:42
you know you got to play that means they could have played a couple more
29:45
songs, but I always love me sometime and Dave so which I want to
29:51
ask you about, because so, mister Myers is there, thirty nine years
29:52
old, renservative guy when when Dave's like pulling the like, you know,
29:59
whoever's stowing that ship at me, I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend? Pal?
30:00
I mean, like, what are you looking over him? Like? Honestly,
30:11
I think he was because that was Dave's thing. You would do it
30:14
every night, so he probably did, and he would pointed some woman right
30:18
there and then make fun of the guy next to him. You know.
30:21
It's funny, is is you talk about the dads that went there, and
30:25
my dad was part of a unit, Christmas dad was a cop, Todd's
30:29
dad was in the Coast Guard, and mister Myers dad was in the Coast
30:33
Guard. So if you rounded him up and put him in a room with
30:36
beer and cigars, they weren't offended it. There's nothing they have. There's
30:41
nothing like they haven't heard any of this. Oh yeah, but when you
30:44
throw the moms into that and the problem like the posters in my room.
30:51
But they didn't, they didn't. He didn't lean over and try to block
30:53
your ears or no, no, no no. But seeing those brawls and
30:59
panties come from all over the garden on this stage, it was like,
31:03
where is this comment from? We're all altar boys too. We were also
31:11
on the court trying to figure out how the damn Scott got into the concert,
31:15
right, I mean, it's true, it is true. We all
31:23
had to go to confession on Monday when we got back school. Let's go
31:29
backstage now, Chris get the chance to go backstage meet the band. It
31:33
was crazy, and you talked about, you know, when we got to
31:37
the concert, and I know, uh, Todd and Jim and mister Myers
31:41
and everybody else. You know, they went through the regular you know,
31:45
turnstiles and everything with their ticket. Well when we got there once again,
31:48
you know, I don't know how this all happened because you know, there
31:52
weren't any cell phones or anything, you know, mister Myers parks and all
31:56
of a sudden, my dad's walking over in full uniform. Everything grabs me
32:00
and uh yeah, Todd, Jim and everybody else goes the other way.
32:05
We go to the side of the gardens. He knocks on the door,
32:07
one of his buddies opens the door, and I'm walk inside with him.
32:12
So I'm still in this whole awe and everything like that. I don't know
32:15
what's going on, you know, I I no experience with this whatsoever.
32:20
And I start walking down this corridor and everything, and you know, you
32:24
get to hear people talking and stuff like that, and I look up and
32:28
there is just this line of beautiful women, you know, aquinet hair just
32:34
everywhere, just scandal, and I'm just going, what is going on?
32:38
You know, I'm holding my dad's hand and everything, and I was just
32:40
like, this is absolutely incredible and everything. So, you know, he
32:45
actually knocked on the dressing room door, and he actually went back and talked
32:51
to uh, you know, Eddie, Alex, Mike, and Dave before
32:55
I went back. I think, as the story goes, he said,
32:59
Okay, my son's coming back. It's time to calm it down a little
33:02
bit. Whenever they were doing and Sad and I just remember walking back there
33:07
and you know, we've seen the jump video. We've seen some other videos
33:13
and it just kind of hit me and everything was a blur that I just
33:17
look up and there's Eddie van Halen right there, and you know, now
33:22
I appreciate it, you know, at the time, it was just like
33:25
I was just starstruck and really didn't know what I was actually experiencing at that
33:31
time. And you know, Eddie was just so Everybody in the band was
33:36
so nice. You know, everybody shook my hand, we talked for a
33:39
few minutes. You know, it felt like I was back there forever,
33:43
but I think it literally is probably four or five minutes I was back there,
33:49
and it was just absolutely incredible. That's when my dad actually handed them
33:53
my eighty four cassette take, just the liner, the cover that was in
33:58
there. So I thought that was the only thing that we were going to
34:01
get signed and have and stuff like that. I was happy with that.
34:06
My dad took that before he took me back to the seats with Michael Anthony
34:12
when he wrote Chris rock On. I still think that is the coolest thing
34:15
ever. But yeah, they all signed it so great too. You can
34:20
make out everybody's autographs, so you could really tell they took some time with
34:24
that instead of just scribbling stuff on and it really meant a lot to me.
34:30
And that piece is centerpiece on the wall behind me, and I love
34:34
showing people that. But you know, on that Saturday afternoon, my dad
34:38
had to work again Saturday morning after the concert. When he came back that
34:44
afternoon, that's when he showed me all the programs, the programs from the
34:50
night with all the signatures on him, and yeah, and everybody's got their
34:54
copy that's in the book yet and everything. And it was the coolest thing
35:00
going to school that Monday and see Jim and Todd and Mike Myers and go
35:06
here, you guys, go look at this. And it was just like
35:09
crazy, you know, everybody in the schools like looking at it and everything
35:14
like that. And it was the rocket star. Yeah, he was.
35:17
He was elevating when he walked through the school. I would there. Okay,
35:22
well, well please tell us the story of There are phollows here for
35:27
the listening audience. So there's two photos of Eddie with some police officers,
35:31
their faces blurred out right right right right right. One of them. Eddie
35:38
looks like he's being arrested and he's smiling and laughing. There's another where he's
35:44
he's got the sniper rifle. He was just he was such a I thought
35:47
there was a guitar riffirst so that's the So it's actually the case for a
35:52
sniper rifle. And that's what Eddie told my dad when he was talking about
35:57
signing the autographs and everything like that. He said, Okay, I want
36:00
to want you to take a couple of pictures because I want you guys to
36:04
act like you're arresting me, and then I want to picture with the sniper
36:08
rifle. And it's like going, I mean, really are you Are you
36:13
kidding me? But that's what Eddie wanted. He wanted those pictures and you
36:16
know, like you said, Eric, just how nice and genuine and he
36:22
just wanted to be treated like a normal guy just because you know, it
36:27
was just cool. And when I first saw those pictures, it was like
36:30
you could see him smiling and you could tell how genuine and how happy he
36:36
was, you know, to be able to do that, especially with the
36:38
police officers because he had so much respect. I mean, back then they
36:43
didn't have the massive security detail where he had all these people that were with
36:50
the band, and stuff. They did have to rely on the local policeman
36:53
really to do the security for the shows, and you could tell he really
36:58
appreciated all the help that all the police officers did those two nights. The
37:02
book Down Rock Podcasts will be back after this. What about Val She was
37:08
there Vale Burtelli, right, Oh, she was there, yes, and
37:13
mester Berger can tell you in depth and her with his life exactly. She
37:23
was in disguise and everything. People, Uh, yeah, she went to
37:28
the She wanted to get something to eat or something. Right, She wanted
37:30
to go to the consent and once again you would never think that, you
37:34
know nowadays and stuff if if you've got a performer's wife or husband or something
37:39
that, Yeah, they had the catering service come in and stuff like that.
37:43
She went to go to the concession stand. And I think that was
37:46
the point where the first connection with Eddie and my dad came about, because
37:52
like, I'll take care of her and walked her up there and got her
37:54
taken care of and you know, got her back safely and stuff. But
37:59
people, that's a that's really like all the kids, right, they recognize
38:02
right, right, right? I forgot So you do have the picture of
38:07
the Nobozo shirt here Chris book. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you
38:10
got the merchandising, the fan club form. That's the other thing I wanted
38:15
to ask about. That's in the book too, right, that was something
38:16
that's correct. So Jimmy Myers doing the interviews of this book, I asked
38:22
him, do you have anything in the basement that you can bring with you
38:24
to our interview. He said, well, give me a couple of days
38:28
down in the basement. So, like Chris and like Todd, they had
38:32
saved all this merchandise for forty years. And there's Jimmy's Van Halen fan club
38:39
form where you can order the T shirts, the albums, the cassettes,
38:44
the autographs, the Van Halen necklace that they would put the you have one,
38:50
okay, right, So there's Jimmy. Jimmy brings it up and he's
38:53
got it, and he brings a Memorial Day postcard that he was mailed by
38:59
Van Hale Memorial Day saying Happy Memorial Day, Jimmy. It says on the
39:04
back or something like that, and that's the picture of them doing their rendition
39:08
of hoisting the American flag. And he brings all these old concert teachherts that
39:13
he has all these years, I'm like my land, And every time I
39:16
did an interview or I asked the guys, can you search the room or
39:22
search something else? They would always call me within five days and say,
39:25
hey, I found another guitar, pick, Hey, I found this,
39:30
Hey my mom saved this, and what have you? And the book Eric
39:34
just kept taking steps farther and farther and farther to a pinnacle. And that's
39:38
what you have in your hand. After those guys went to all the depths
39:43
to find the Fanlan fan club form. How about you finish the book,
39:47
Jim. I started it in November of twenty twenty two, so I had
39:53
I had to interview everybody separately because I didn't want Todd's story to collide with
40:00
Chris's, so I didn't want to interview him so they could ride the coketails
40:05
of each other, because one word might trigger their memory. So I wanted
40:08
to capture everybody individually. Then when I built the first rough, rough,
40:15
rough draft, then I handed it back out to everybody, and then a
40:19
word would trigger with Todd, and Todd would bring something new to the book,
40:23
and then a word would trigger with mister Myers, and then he would
40:27
say, oh, I need to add this, so nobody's story really overlapped.
40:31
I needed to get all that out. And some of these people you
40:36
hadn't talked to in a while. Right, everybody moved out correct lives right,
40:39
right? Absolutely, absolutely, So we all played baseball together. We
40:44
all went first grade through seventh grade, Mike and I want all the way
40:47
through high school. So it's been thirty twenty nine, twenty five years.
40:52
Chris and I probably twenty years. Todd and I probably run into each other
40:57
since I moved back to Cincinnati every couple months or so like that, I'll
41:00
see him at the gas station. But the fun part about it, Eric
41:04
is when I picked the phone up and I told him all the concept of
41:07
the book, they all said, I'm in, I'm in. What can
41:10
I bring to it? You know what a great story. And it's just
41:14
like yourself. When you're a fan, you're a fan, but when you're
41:17
a raving fan because it brought so much joy to you, it's easy then
41:22
to create a book because it's not really a book. It's more of a
41:28
story, a memoir. A buddy is all getting together and I had to
41:32
build it that way. It reminded me of the movie stand By Me.
41:36
There's that type of feel to it. Yeah, correct, and that's what
41:38
I wanted it to be. Because there's been a lot of books, numerous
41:43
books and documentaries written about the history of Van Halen. Guys are experts of
41:47
that way more so than Chris and I and Todd together, and we all
41:52
agreed that this moment for us was the coming of age moment of friends experiencing
41:59
something for the first time. Van Halen. I mean, we weren't just
42:02
going to the new swim club or a new roller coaster that just opened up.
42:07
This is this is a pivotal moment in our lives. Like Todd said,
42:12
a skunk was in the concerts, women's bodies being up, the f
42:16
words, nobody was just smoking Marlboro reds, you know. But that's that's
42:22
a bond you guys created. That's just forever correct correct, And it's really
42:28
cool. Everybody's still with using well correct. Everybody's doing well you are correct
42:34
And it's funny, you know, Todd. Todd's vision of that of David
42:37
Lee Roth is a samurai sword. Oh yeah. We were all at that
42:44
age where everybody owned numb jocks. Everybody was trying to be like Bruce a
42:49
little bit, and and and it's funny. He comes out with a samurai
42:52
sword. And there's no way my parents would let me have a samurai sword,
42:58
but I had a I had rubber numb jock. You know, they
43:00
knew I couldn't hit my head, but even this big I couldn't do any
43:04
damage. But here he comes out and like Todd said, you got the
43:07
silhouette of davidly Ross in the back of the stage almost slow motion with him
43:12
doing that. Did Al do the thing with the gong on? Oh?
43:17
Yeah, that's all I wanted to see. That's all I was fired.
43:22
Is he gonna light the gong on fire? And he turned around started beating
43:25
that. I was like, oh my gosh, it was all about Michael
43:29
Anthony. Oh I love Michael Anthony, absolutely my favorite. I mean,
43:35
that's him on that base man. That's when Jim asked me my biggest one
43:39
of my biggest memories there And everybody says, oh, it could be Dave
43:43
jumping or Eddie, which any eruption was, but Michael Anthony's solo. Oh,
43:47
I've never felt a building shape. Jack Daniels and we're like, no
43:52
way, you know, bring he dugs the whole bottle. Right. Thinking
44:00
back now, you're like that had to be water, right because or something.
44:07
And he went in that solo and it was. I mean, the
44:10
concert was great. Van Halen's Van Hamen, but Michael Anthony's solo Still to
44:15
the State stands out to me as the best part about this. That's cool.
44:17
He would love to hear that. That dude, he was through the
44:22
ups and the downs and just was like he waved that van Halen flag and
44:25
he still does. He still does, which leads me to this question because
44:29
he's going out on tour with sam He's been with Sammon for a while,
44:31
right to have that experience that kind of effect and it's with Dave. Was
44:37
it hard to accept Sammy and the band? What were your thoughts when you
44:42
heard, you know, we're talking about this the other day at the record
44:45
shop. Yeah, And for us, we saw van Halen with David Lee
44:51
roths right, but we were twelve years old, so he knew van Halen
44:55
as twelve year old. Honestly, we grew up with Sammy and Van Hammon,
45:00
you know, our adult ages and coming up the second time I saw
45:05
Van Halen was nineteen ninety one at the Pacific Amphitheater and Coasta Mason. They
45:08
played two shows. We went to both, and I told Chris Is that
45:12
a little old band named Alice in Chains open for them. Remember that.
45:15
Yeah, yeah, But we grew up with Sammy as the frontman to van
45:22
Halen, so I don't think we were mad about it. I don't think
45:27
it really affected us. To us, van Halen was Eddie, Alex and
45:30
Michael. You could put any singer there except for maybe one guy who's as
45:37
I know, that's what his eyes about. I got into an argument about
45:39
this, you know, David or Sammy, and then I was gonna say
45:46
Todd, Yes appeared with that. It was probably a black guy. So
45:50
yeah, So you know, Eddie, Michael and Alex are van Haleman put
45:55
the singer there for the stage presence. You could put almost anybody there and
46:00
I'd be okay with it because I'm there to hear Eddie, I'm there to
46:02
hear Michael and there to hear Alex. David was great with what he did.
46:07
Sammy was great with what he did, right. You know, that's
46:10
the age old question was who is better. It's kind of like ask you
46:13
know a woman how old she is? You don't really do it. Yeah,
46:16
you're gonna piss somebody off. Jim and Chris your thoughts, you know.
46:22
At the moment, I was not upset, but I think that I
46:25
compared. Like I said earlier in this conversation, I have compared so many
46:30
alleys that I've been to on major bands, and I've seen other major bands.
46:36
I compare everything that David, Michael, Alex and Eddie. Everything compares
46:40
to them. Because that was my first concert, nothing will ever compare to
46:45
that. I love Sammy. I think Sammy does a terrific job. As
46:49
a matter of fact, he's coming here to Cincinnati this summer. I will
46:52
go see him. I will support them. I love it and the greatest
46:54
voices in absolutely history period. Yeah, absolutely, So I'm not going to
47:01
compare van Halen from eighty five on to the eighty four backwards. I don't.
47:07
That doesn't do me any justice. I am a fan of van Halen.
47:10
I love van Halen. People. Todd and I were talking about what
47:15
song is better than the other song. Well, there's great songs for van
47:17
Halen, and then there's awesome songs for Van Hamlin, and then there's triple
47:22
platinum songs on Van Halen. There is not a bad song done in my
47:29
opinion, like Todd and I talked about, there just isn't a band song.
47:32
There's not no So this summer when they come around, I will be
47:37
happy. I will wave to them. I'll say, hey, it's as
47:38
a Roa ten. Okay, there you are ro ten, but for a
47:44
thousand dollars this time. Ye right right yeah. But you know, it
47:46
doesn't upset me that the band was not intact. I understand that this is
47:52
the way it goes when you're in the business, whether it be sports,
47:55
whether it be music industry, or just business in general. People wanted to
48:00
come and go and then you try to add value to that. And you're
48:02
never going to replace David. You're never going to replace Sammy. You're just
48:07
not because, like Todd said, you grew up and then at a point
48:10
somebody else came in and carried on that message, and then you grew up
48:14
with them as well. So I think Toddy and Chris exemplify that as fans,
48:20
that the three guys were intact forever and there was only two If you
48:25
consider Gary. I don't know Gary that well, so he's still Van Halen.
48:30
I still liked that he was a part of that history. And I'm
48:32
sure he does too appreciate that. But yes, you know, it was
48:37
sad, but instantly here comes Sammy. So after yeah, yeah, Chris,
48:44
your thoughts on that. Yeah, I definitely echoed the sentiments that that
48:47
Todd and Jim you know, brought up and everything. And I love Sammy
48:52
even before you know, he jumped on the Van Halen you know, the
48:55
red rocker I can't Drive fifty five and stuff like that, so I was
49:00
familiar with Sammy, but you know, there was none of that, you
49:04
know, we were still all kind of new to music and everything. And
49:07
yeah, granted, you know, I bought the eighty four album, I
49:10
saw the eighty four concert. Then I started going back and got divered down
49:15
fair warning Van Halen won and then really started to appreciate that music and I
49:21
loved it. But the thing when fifty one point fifty came out and those
49:25
songs on that album, it was like it wasn't like, you know,
49:30
Sammy took over. Then all of a sudden the band just cut off.
49:32
It's like, oh, we can't listen to this and everything. You know,
49:36
you still had the core. But with Sammy came in and you know,
49:40
best of both worlds and you know all that stuff. It's like it
49:44
was like, okay, we're back to Van Halen and stuff like that.
49:47
And you know, I will never say one's better than the other or anything
49:52
like that, but they both did incredible for all the albums and all the
49:58
performances they did. We're lucky that, you know, Van Halen didn't fall
50:02
off the face of the earth after you know, David Lee Roth and you
50:07
know, we had the core of the band, you know, Mike,
50:08
Alex and Eddie, but you know, you popped Sammy in there. You
50:13
couldn't have asked for a better you know, passing the baton if you say,
50:19
you know, to Sammy and some of the best concerts you know,
50:22
I've ever been to, you know, involved Sammy, and nothing will ever
50:25
top the eighty four show with Dave. But geez, those concerts fifty one,
50:30
fifty and balance. It's just like, oh my gosh, it was
50:36
great to that point, the passing the baton, because I was thinking about
50:39
this today and I think about Van Hillen every day, So what is it.
50:43
What's the difference right? Right? You know, I think about him
50:45
every day, so, but I was just thinking about, like, what
50:49
if Sammy, because the story was that when Sammy was in Montrose, I
50:53
think or maybe he just started to go solo. There was that idea that
50:57
maybe maybe Dave's not work can out. Ted Templeman was have a little difficulty
51:02
with Dave's vocals on that first album, and Ted produced Montrose and who Samy?
51:07
Maybe you know the rumblings, you know, maybe we'll get Sammy.
51:10
Of course it didn't happen, But I don't think if Sammy was there in
51:17
the beginning, I don't think that it would have panned out the way things
51:22
panned out. I don't think his style and their style at that time would
51:28
have worked. I think they they were so young and aggressive and they had
51:32
so much energy and so much raw, youthful energy that Dave was the guy
51:37
for that. And it was like the timing was actually pretty damn good because
51:43
when Sammy takes over in eighty six, by that time, Ed's songwriting had
51:51
progressed, evolved, however you want to call it, matured, you know,
51:55
and it's it was the perfect time to have Sammy sing those songs.
52:00
You know, I thought about that, you know, if it it just
52:04
was maybe more meant to be. Yeah, I agree with you how that,
52:07
Yeah, Eric, And I'm curious what you think on this. You
52:10
know, the nineteen eighty four album was a death totally different sound than than
52:15
Van Halen had been. They had kind of you know, they were venturing
52:17
into the new synthesizers and the new sound, and that kind of carried over
52:22
into Sammy that kind of sound, right, So fifty one fifty, I
52:27
always say, is a non skippable alum. Right, There's not a song
52:30
on there that you need to fast forward past. And you know, even
52:34
Gary Sharon is telling Chris if fan Allen three wasn't the greatest album, but
52:37
if you listen to Gary Sharon, he sounds more like plastic van Halman on
52:42
some of those songs. In my mind, the sound of it is the
52:45
seventies rock sound that feel to it. So I think they kind of were
52:50
already going in that direction with eighty four with David because the sound changed so
52:53
much from the previous album, and then Sammy just kind of took over with
52:58
that and they really, you know, implemented different sounds into their songs had
53:04
even started with eighty four, and those were the creative differences that David Edward
53:07
having. That was a face I saw his writing just became. I mean,
53:12
like I said, fifteen and fifty to me, it's just it's the
53:15
album that I I really became a Van haill And fan of. I've said
53:20
this story before. It was Christmas Eve nineteen eighty eight, and my brother
53:24
had the cassettes and my friends kept banging on me, you gotta listen to
53:29
Van hail because I obviously I knew Jump, I knew all the nineteen eighty
53:32
four songs, but then I kind of like steered away. And then in
53:36
eighty eight my high school friends are like, dude, you got to listen
53:37
to this man. Oh eight one too. That was the album was all
53:40
the time. Oh yeah. And when It's Love was on the radio and
53:44
I was like, yeah, I'm in let's do this. And then my
53:46
older brother had all the cassettes, so let's Christmas Eve popped into a cheap
53:50
walkman and I and I to this day, I still remember the goosebumps listening
53:54
to that fifty and fifty from start to finish. And then I just took
53:59
the that put it back over. We wand and played it again, right,
54:02
And I remember just listening to dreams and it was like another world,
54:08
otherworldly experience, especially when you know I did play the solos and stuff and
54:13
then found out fifty stood for you loved it even Yeah, right, it's
54:20
kind of like the story behind you ate one two, you know, and
54:22
hear those and it's like that makes it even better. I know, Well
54:25
what we are you guys fans of Dave solo? Were you fans of Eating
54:29
Smile and skyscreening? So I bought I bought Crazy from the Heat. I
54:32
remember that, right, Is that what it was? When that's the four
54:36
song with California Girls? So I bought it, you know because I was
54:38
like, yeah, it's Van Halen and I follow I didn't really follow his
54:44
solo career, you know, but I did go see them a couple of
54:46
years ago, uh, before Eddie had passed, when they reunited with Wolf
54:52
on Base. They came to Cincinnati with David and I did go see him.
54:54
So, you know, Chris and I saw Van Halen and eighty four
54:58
together. We saw Van Halen with Sammy Hagar. Then we saw Van Halen
55:02
with Garry Sharon Man covered all three. That tour was successful, even though
55:09
the album didn't do well. The tour, Gary was implementing a lot of
55:13
those songs that we hadn't heard in a long time and that I have just
55:17
gone to see Kissed before that. Now, do you remember the concert we
55:21
saw with kiss was in three D? Yeah, and all this stuff.
55:29
It was insane, Oh gosh. And that was great because uh, White
55:34
Zombie opened for that was my first Rob Zombie and I was like, Okay,
55:38
I can handle this guy too. That's cool man, that's cool.
55:42
Guys. Thanks, this was great. I could I could always talk Van
55:45
Halen, So anytime somebody wants to talk Van Halen. And congrats on the
55:49
book. Phenomenal book. It's out now, so let's plug it. People
55:52
can get it wherever you buy your favorite books, right yeah, thanks,
55:57
Eric, Yes, sir, Any website, social media, anything that you
56:00
want to get out there for people who jimsugar dot com, Facebook, Jim
56:05
Suger, you know, anywhere, even yours right there, Eric, anything
56:08
to talk about Van Halen. You got to keep it alive, you got
56:12
to keep it fresh. We're all getting older, we are, and my
56:16
generation has been through it. We love it. That's why we're on this.
56:21
But my daughter likes Van Halen and I need to keep her age engaged
56:27
so if she can can change her generations kids and keep them going as well.
56:31
There's so much history with this and it's unbelievable's carrying exactly. He'll be
56:37
here two times in Cincinnati next year. I'll see Yeah. I got to
56:42
see him in Connecticut. I got the goosebumps because he has the EVH guitar
56:45
and he was doing the stuff on the front board through fighters here in the
56:51
stadium tour. So we're going to that. Yeah. And you know,
56:54
speaking of Chris told me to watch a video of his or something. It
57:00
up the one. The whole video is just him and Eddie. I don't
57:01
know what song it is, but it's him as a baby. Yeah,
57:06
yeah, yeah, Oh my god, that video just kills you. Especially
57:09
Yes, you guys probably remember I remember when Wolfgang was born March sixteen,
57:15
What the hell Wolfgang? Right? And then the years go on and I
57:17
remember Eddie at the ninety six MTV Awards with Dave and he said, Hi
57:22
Wolfie, you know, like he was just a kid. You see him
57:24
to go up, and then credit to him. Man, he just he
57:28
put off his career because he was with his dad. Yeah, Jim Serger,
57:31
Chris Berger, Todd Zimmerman, guys, thanks so much, thank you.
57:45
That's it. It's in the books.