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The Democrats’ political sink hole: Hasan Piker · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: hundreds of wonderful affiliates across the country, welcome. Today is
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker Day because the ice broke. What do I
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  Speaker 1: mean by that? I mean that United States Senator John Ossoff,
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  Speaker 1: who is up for election, had to come out and
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  Speaker 1: condemn Hassan Piker today. Ossoff already had a terrible couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks because of his repulsive, disgusting attack on Natalie Hart.
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  Speaker 1: And so he saw his numbers sag. And then the
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  Speaker 1: Piker fallout got radioactive on him. And so he went out.
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  Speaker 1: Cory Booker went out yesterday. Debbie Dingle, longtime Democratic congresswoman,
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  Speaker 1: had it yesterday, cut number 14.
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  Speaker 2: I am done, so don't any reporter ask me again
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  Speaker 2: about Hassan Piker. It's not what November is about.
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  Speaker 1: It's exactly what November is about. It's the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party has gone over the left cliff into extremism,
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  Speaker 1: led by the DSA, Hassan Piker, and other radical Maoists, communists, Marxists, Leninists,
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  Speaker 1: you name it. So Debbie Dingell then goes on CNN
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  Speaker 1: with John Berman, cut number 15.
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  Speaker 3: I am done.
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  Speaker 2: So don't any reporter ask me again about Hassan Piker.
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  Speaker 4: It's not what November is about.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm a reporter.
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  Speaker 6: Why can't I ask you about Hassan Piker when he
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  Speaker 6: has campaigned with Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed?
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  Speaker 4: Look, I'm going to tell you what I'm tired of.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really worried about health care. I'm worried about reversing
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  Speaker 4: the snap cuts. I'm worried about hunger. I'm worried about
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  Speaker 4: affordability of groceries and gasoline and housing and a broken
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  Speaker 4: health care system. And quite frankly, everywhere I've gone for
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  Speaker 4: the last 10 days, someone throws a camera in my
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  Speaker 4: face or a phone in my face and asks me questions.
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  Speaker 7: I don't agree with them.
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  Speaker 1: I've made it very clear.
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  Speaker 4: And not only do I agree Israel's got a right
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  Speaker 4: to exist, but as I got more into them, just,
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  Speaker 4: you know, looking at things he said, there are a
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  Speaker 4: lot of things that deeply disturb me, but he's not
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  Speaker 4: on the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that won't work. He is on the ballot. The
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  Speaker 1: DSA is on the ballot. He has defined your party
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  Speaker 1: as being radical, anti-Semitic, violence, rhetoric, addicted, Islamist, apologist. He's
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  Speaker 1: the guy that said America deserved 9-11. And your Senate
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  Speaker 1: candidate in Michigan, Congresswoman Dingell, Abdul Al-Sayed, does not campaign
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  Speaker 1: with him all right so abdul el sayed we cut
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  Speaker 1: some video from him from april of this year being
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  Speaker 1: asked about hassan piker on the campaign trail uh which
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  Speaker 1: abdul el sayed was on with him cut number 23
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  Speaker 1: like you know at.
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  Speaker 8: The end of the day people play this game with
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  Speaker 8: us all the time right i'm sure you've gotten it
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  Speaker 8: somewhere i got it but well here's this one thing
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  Speaker 8: that hassan said Do you now condemn him in everything
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  Speaker 8: he stands for?
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, in what f * * * ing
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  Speaker 5: world does the world work this way?
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  Speaker 9: Like, in what world would you condemn somebody for something
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  Speaker 9: that they've said if you're serious about the project of
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  Speaker 9: actually persuading somebody?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so he's sitting right there. Like, I can hear you.
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  Speaker 1: I hear everything you say. In what world do you
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  Speaker 1: condemn him? In the world in which he says anti-Semitic,
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  Speaker 1: violent things, threatens Jews, American Jews, for supporting Israel. In
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  Speaker 1: that world. El Sayed crashed out yesterday on his Twitch stream.
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  Speaker 1: Poor Generalissimo had to go and listen to the whole
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  Speaker 1: six hours. Here are a couple examples. Cut number one
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  Speaker 1: of the now paranoid and nutty Hassan Piker.
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  Speaker 10: It means something that I have actively advocated against.
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  Speaker 11: My whole life.
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  Speaker 10: It's orchestrated. It's completely orchestrated. GLD Vittorio said... Every Dem
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  Speaker 10: political figure falling for the trap of spending more time
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  Speaker 10: on Hassan Piker than attacking Republicans is at best easily
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  Speaker 10: duped and at worst has something to gain from Democrats
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  Speaker 10: losing in November. Either way, they shouldn't be taken seriously
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  Speaker 10: as a leader nor advisor.
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  Speaker 1: So John Ossoff, don't take him seriously. Cory Booker, don't
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  Speaker 1: take him seriously. Hakeem Jeffries, don't take him seriously. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: not name Hassan Piker, don't take him seriously. A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Weird ego there as well as obliviousness to the fact
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  Speaker 1: you're causing the house to fall down. Cut number two
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  Speaker 1: from the Twitch stream yesterday.
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  Speaker 10: Every prominent Dem disavows me for saying Jews are not
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  Speaker 10: a monolith. Yeah, I think it's going to get to
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  Speaker 10: a point where it's just like me versus the world
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  Speaker 10: with this issue, because there are plenty of people on
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  Speaker 10: the anti-Zionist side who are literally saying Jews are a monolith.
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  Speaker 10: And there are plenty of people on the pro-Israel side
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  Speaker 10: that are saying the same as well.
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  Speaker 1: You see, his problem is he's dumb. I was having
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  Speaker 1: fun with Bethany Mandel yesterday, also a Rutgers graduate. This
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  Speaker 1: is a Rutgers graduate. He is to Rutgers what Miriam
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  Speaker 1: Amdani is to Bowdoin, their most famous... graduate and you
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  Speaker 1: don't want your most famous graduate to be an inarticulate
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  Speaker 1: ill-educated poorly read ideological freak cut number three.
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  Speaker 10: I think the reality is prominent democrats know prominent democrats
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  Speaker 10: know what the base wants establishment democrats know what our
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  Speaker 10: desires are they know the morality of our desires They
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  Speaker 10: just hate it.
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  Speaker 1: They hate they hate the fact that we hate Israel
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  Speaker 1: and they hate the fact that they don't get support
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  Speaker 1: from my nutters. I was on with Jackie Heinrich earlier
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  Speaker 1: today on Fox News. Can we play cut 13, please?
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  Speaker 6: Let's bring in Fox News contributor Hugh Hewitt, who writes
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  Speaker 6: for Fox News dot com today. Hassan Piker's radical rhetoric
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  Speaker 6: is becoming Democrats 2026 brand.
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  Speaker 11: Hugh, great to see you.
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  Speaker 6: Is Hassan Piker just a streamer?
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not. And it's very difficult for Abdul El-Sayed
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  Speaker 1: to say he's just a streamer when it was, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker who carried Abdul El-Sayed over the finish line.
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  Speaker 1: Remind the audience, there were a million and a half
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  Speaker 1: votes cast in the Democratic primary up north in Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Haley Stevens against Abdul El-Sayed. Abdul El-Sayed won by 15,000 votes, 1%.
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  Speaker 1: He was campaigning in the days and weeks, indeed the
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  Speaker 1: night of, at a pool party streaming with Hassan Piker
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan. So, Abdul El-Sayed owes his nomination to Hassan Piker.
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  Speaker 1: Now he doesn't want him because he's radioactive. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: earlier today, John Ossoff denounced Hassan Piker. Yesterday, Cory Booker
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  Speaker 1: denounced Hassan Piker. Democrats are lining up to say, Hassan
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  Speaker 1: Piker's got nothing to do with me because he's radioactive.
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  Speaker 1: But it's too late. This was the summer of the DSA,
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  Speaker 1: the Democrat Socialists of America. It's ending with a focus
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  Speaker 1: on Assange Piker. And Assange Piker is bringing down everyone
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  Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party, most especially Abdul El-Sayed. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what his internals are. I haven't seen them. But
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  Speaker 1: the efforts he's gone to put distance between himself and Piker,
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  Speaker 1: enormous efforts, and it's not going to work.
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  Speaker 10: Is it really all that enormous, though?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the statement after the most recent episode with
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  Speaker 6: Hasan Piker didn't even mention Hasan Piker's name. You would
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  Speaker 6: think that if Abdul El-Sayed wanted to really put distance
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  Speaker 6: between himself and this Twitch streamer, he would call him
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  Speaker 6: out by name. He would, you know, name and shame
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  Speaker 6: the actions that he finds reprehensible. And we have not
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  Speaker 6: seen that. Meantime, it's having an impact on Jewish people.
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  Speaker 6: You have in Michigan the attorney general talking about potentially
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  Speaker 6: leaving the Democratic Party because of the incoming that she
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  Speaker 6: is feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 12: I have people saying you are not going to tell
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  Speaker 12: us what you deem to be anti-Semitic. We'll decide what's anti-Semitic.
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  Speaker 12: That's not up for you, the Jewish population, to decide.
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  Speaker 12: And I find that to be very off-putting and offensive.
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  Speaker 12: I was Jewish before I was ever a member of
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  Speaker 12: of the Democratic Party. And if I have to, I'll
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  Speaker 12: be Jewish afterwards, too.
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  Speaker 6: It seems like we're hearing more and more of that lately, Hugh.
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  Speaker 1: We are. We heard it from John Ossoff. We heard
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  Speaker 1: it from Cory Booker. We heard it from the attorney general.
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  Speaker 1: We hear from Congress people. Here's the basic problem. When
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  Speaker 1: you invite someone to move in with you, if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to lease a two-bedroom apartment in a small building,
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  Speaker 1: your roommate is your roommate is your roommate. And that
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  Speaker 1: roommate affects not only you, if they happen to be
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  Speaker 1: a psycho or they happen to be outside the bounds
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  Speaker 1: of what people consider to be ordinary habits of living,
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  Speaker 1: they are stuck with you for as long as the
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  Speaker 1: lease runs. Moreover, they pollute the entire building. Hassan Piker
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  Speaker 1: is that guy, that terrible roommate, that radioactive presence in
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  Speaker 1: your life. And Abdul El-Sayed wants to cut him off.
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  Speaker 1: There's only really one way to do it, which is
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  Speaker 1: to evict him. And that's very difficult to do when
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  Speaker 1: he got you there, when he found the apartment, when
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  Speaker 1: he put the deposit down, when he paid the security deposit.
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker is Abdul Sayyed. Mike Rogers calls him their
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  Speaker 1: running mate, and Mike Rogers is right in Michigan. Piker
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  Speaker 1: is also a running mate for every Democrat who's gotten
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  Speaker 1: close to the DSA, who's DSA adjacent. I look at
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  Speaker 1: Troy Jackson in Maine running against Susan Collins. That's a
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker rate. I look at Chris Pappas running in
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  Speaker 1: New Hampshire. He's got a Hassan Piker problem. I look
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  Speaker 1: at Tallarico in Texas, Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota. They all
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  Speaker 1: have Hassan Piker problems. And the only way you get
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  Speaker 1: out of that, I don't even know if it works,
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  Speaker 1: is to go in front of the cameras, look straight
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  Speaker 1: in the camera and say, I denounce Piker. Hassan Piker.
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  Speaker 1: He is a radical anti-Semite addicted to violent rhetoric of
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  Speaker 1: the sort that is destroying the United States. I made
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  Speaker 1: a mistake having anything to do with him. That's what
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  Speaker 1: you got to do. Abdul El-Sayed has not done it.
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  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I had Spencer Claven on.
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  Speaker 1: Spencer is the host of the Young Heretics podcast. Young
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  Speaker 1: Heretics turned out to be quite the revelation. I enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: a couple of episodes on Dante and I found myself.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't ask the right question, Spencer. Welcome back. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for coming right back. First question. It's a pleasure
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  Speaker 1: to be here. How long have you been doing Young
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  Speaker 1: Heretics for?
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  Speaker 13: This is our sixth year. It's a pandemic podcast started
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  Speaker 13: in 2013.
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  Speaker 1: It's fabulous. How do you decide what to do?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I call the show the classical education that you
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  Speaker 13: never knew you were missing. And it's mainly aimed to
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  Speaker 13: serve people who feel that they didn't get what they
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  Speaker 13: should have out of their education or they're not getting
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  Speaker 13: it now.
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  Speaker 7: And so I'm really.
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  Speaker 13: Going for those core texts that can give you a
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  Speaker 13: key to the rest of Western civilization. So we started
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  Speaker 13: out with the Iliad, Homer's Iliad, one of the cornerstones
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  Speaker 13: of Western literature. And then I've been in a six-year-long
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  Speaker 13: conversation with my audience about what inspires them, what they're
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  Speaker 13: excited to learn more about. Right now, you notice we're
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  Speaker 13: doing Dante, and that's because we've been in epic poetry
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  Speaker 13: for months and months. We started with the Iliad and
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  Speaker 13: the Odyssey to coincide with the movie, but then went
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  Speaker 13: on to the Aeneid, and now we're up to Dante. Basically,
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  Speaker 13: anything that belongs in the Western canon is fair game
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  Speaker 13: for me.
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  Speaker 1: So what I like about– I don't know much about Dante.
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  Speaker 1: I never took a Dante course. I like that you
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  Speaker 1: used the Henry Wadsworth Longfellow translation. I like that you
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  Speaker 1: explained why you did. I like the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: give context to who Henry Wadsworth Longfellow is. And in
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  Speaker 1: other words, it's a lecture in the round for people
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  Speaker 1: who should know something and don't, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that particular thing. What are you teaching at the University
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  Speaker 1: of Austin this year?
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  Speaker 13: I'm teaching a course called Epic and Tragedy, which is
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  Speaker 13: Homer's Odyssey and then a number of Greek tragedies from
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  Speaker 13: the 5th century B.C.
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  Speaker 14: In Athens.
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  Speaker 13: They've read the Iliad already when they come in, and
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  Speaker 13: then we pick up with the Odyssey and we go
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  Speaker 13: through it book by book.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you are, as you described to me last time,
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  Speaker 1: a high church Anglican. Why aren't you a Catholic? Have
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  Speaker 1: you done Thomas Aquinas yet? Have you done the Summa?
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  Speaker 13: I've been doing a lot of Aquinas, actually, alongside Dante.
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  Speaker 13: He has been a major companion of mine, and I
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  Speaker 13: have the highest admiration for the Catholic intellectual tradition, and
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  Speaker 13: Aquinas especially. I just find it, it's like a cathedral
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  Speaker 13: of thought, the Summa Theologica, the way that it's intricately composed,
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  Speaker 13: and it informs Dante so beautifully. I gotta tell you, Hugh,
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  Speaker 13: I'm not down with the Pope. It's not that I
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  Speaker 13: don't like the Pope, it's not that I don't find
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  Speaker 13: many of his pronouncements to be beautiful and true. It's
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  Speaker 13: that I'm too much of an incorrigible product.
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  Speaker 7: Of the Enlightenment.
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  Speaker 13: Maybe there's a little bit of the rebellious Americanist in me.
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  Speaker 13: Like Milton, I believe that truth comes from the bottom
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  Speaker 13: up as well as the top down.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the reason I ask is because you're obviously smart.
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  Speaker 1: And then I don't want to get my Anglican friends
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  Speaker 1: or my Episcopalian friends angry. But it's obviously, it's a
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  Speaker 1: fake thing, right? Henry VIII just decides one day we'll
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  Speaker 1: start the church and I want the monasteries. And so
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  Speaker 1: he starts a church. So that's obviously fake as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to the iterative, integrated development of church doctrine. So I
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  Speaker 1: just wonder, you're an intellectual. How do you get around that?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, unlike the Catholic Church, right, which has never produced
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  Speaker 13: a conventional organization on the basis of human judgment.
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  Speaker 7: I kid, I rib you because you ribbed me.
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  Speaker 13: Look, it's a little more complicated than that with the
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  Speaker 13: Anglican Church, I would suggest some of the... greatest thinkers
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  Speaker 13: that you and I both admire have been part of
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  Speaker 13: this tradition as well.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't merely that.
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  Speaker 13: Henry VIII was a venal psychopath. It was also that
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  Speaker 13: England was heading toward reformation, and there were others as
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  Speaker 13: well who steered the church through that transition. And now,
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  Speaker 13: I think if you examine, for example, the 39 Articles,
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  Speaker 13: which is kind of like the catechesis of of the
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  Speaker 13: Anglican Church. You probably find a lot in there to
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  Speaker 13: agree about. Better argument.
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  Speaker 1: Now when I get to the real reason I asked
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  Speaker 1: you back. I've been having to spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time on Hasan Piker. Hasan Piker lives on Twitch. An
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  Speaker 1: entire generation is going up on Twitch. An entire generation
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  Speaker 1: is not reading anything. Does a culture recover when you
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  Speaker 1: take an entire generation out of a reading tradition of
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  Speaker 1: any sort, not great books, but any reading, and put
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  Speaker 1: them into... attention-breaking, attention span-destroying imagery. That's what Dr. Kissinger
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  Speaker 1: wrote in the last book of leaders. We're moving from
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  Speaker 1: the age of reading to the age of image. What
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  Speaker 1: happens to a country when that happens?
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  Speaker 13: This is a profound problem. I don't think we have
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  Speaker 13: grappled yet with what it will look like if we
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  Speaker 13: really do enter into, as people have said, the end
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  Speaker 13: of literacy. Reading shapes your brain. It's something that profoundly...
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  Speaker 13: reaches into not only your neurological chemistry and structure, but
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  Speaker 13: I would argue also your soul.
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  Speaker 7: It is a way of.
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  Speaker 13: Forcing you into sustained attention, which is something that then
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  Speaker 13: goes on, not just into what you might or might
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  Speaker 13: not know, what facts you're able to hold in your head,
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  Speaker 13: but your ability to string a logical argument together. And
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  Speaker 13: your mention of cogent and capable with spoken words, but
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  Speaker 13: not so good at following through the logic of your
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  Speaker 13: arguments to their natural conclusions. This guy is bad news,
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  Speaker 13: and he's bad news because he's not thinking clearly. So
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  Speaker 13: I would suggest, as David McCullough did, the great historian,
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  Speaker 13: that writing is thinking clearly. And reading is learning to
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  Speaker 13: understand the thoughts of others. So, yeah, this is a
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  Speaker 13: real problem. And it's a great argument for places like
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  Speaker 13: UATX shows like Young Heretics, I would say. And also
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  Speaker 13: for for developing a regular a regular reading practice, because
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  Speaker 13: it's going to be a deluge of Internet gunk out there.
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  Speaker 15: It already is.
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  Speaker 13: And you got to shore up your books against that.
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  Speaker 1: OK, fastball over the plate, Andrew Klavan. If someone wants
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  Speaker 1: to believe in God, what book should they read in
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  Speaker 1: which order?
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  Speaker 13: They should begin with Mere Christianity by C.S.
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  Speaker 7: Lewis.
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  Speaker 13: Well, really, they should begin with the Bible because every
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  Speaker 13: educated person needs to read the Bible to begin with.
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  Speaker 13: And then they should consider seriously, as you always should
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  Speaker 13: with any book. whether this is a description of reality
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  Speaker 13: or not, engage with the book like it has a
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  Speaker 13: claim on you and see where that gets you. Then
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  Speaker 13: take a look at C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity. I would
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  Speaker 13: say they should go next to some G.K.
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  Speaker 7: Chesterton, Orthodoxy.
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  Speaker 13: And if they're really sold, Christianity-pilled, as the kids say
• 18:22
  Speaker 13: by then, and their interest is piqued, I would suggest
• 18:25
  Speaker 13: taking a crack at at least the opening to the
• 18:28
  Speaker 13: Summa Theologica, which is a profound... And actually quite understandable
• 18:34
  Speaker 13: because highly rational.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I have a guide. But you haven't done
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the Summa yet, right? Have you on Young Heretics? I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: didn't see it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 16: Not yet.
• 18:42
  Speaker 13: We've done passages from it because of Dante. We've done
• 18:45
  Speaker 13: a lot of excerpts, but we haven't done it in full,
• 18:48
  Speaker 13: which would be probably a lifetime.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I am looking forward to the next one. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: want to encourage people to like and subscribe. How many
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: people like and subscribe to Young Heretics, Spencer?
• 18:59
  Speaker 13: Oh, boy. We've got about 2 million lifetime downloads, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 13: 16,000 subscribers on YouTube and many more than that who
• 19:07
  Speaker 13: are listening on audio platforms. And it is available across
• 19:12
  Speaker 13: all audio platforms.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: We have to get more people to do that and
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to start a Young Heretics Club. Forget the book club.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Go with the Young Heretics Club and then talk about
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: what Spencer talks about in his podcast. And I don't
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: know if it's weekly or not, but Spencer will be
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: back in a couple of weeks. Spencer, thank you for
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: indulging my curiosity more quickly than I thought you would
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be back. Come back soon. Spencer Clavin on X, YNG
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Heretics on X as well. Stay tuned. Welcome back, America.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt. Jonathan Williams is the President and Chief
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Economist at the American Legislative Exchange Council, ALEC.org. Weekly guest
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of mine because ALEC is a great sponsor of the program. John,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to skip past points one and two that
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: we have on our outline we might get back to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: them i want to go to ream versus the department
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of the treasury because any lawsuit that seeks to overturn
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: wicked v philburn is my kind of lawsuit do you
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: want to explain why alec joined in and what the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: facts are or i can do that whatever you'd.
• 20:24
  Speaker 14: Prefer Well, I'll tell you our interest in it, Hugh,
• 20:28
  Speaker 14: and that is this is an incredible federal overreach, right?
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: I mean, this whole theory around interstate commerce grounds that
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: Wicker Phil Bourne, going way back 80 years now, has said.
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: And you have this guy, John Rehm in Ohio. You'll
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: like that, Hugh, an Ohio guy. He wants to distill
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: the spirits. And Congress says the ban on home distilling.
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: And so right now there's a circuit split, as you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: where the Sixth Circuit has rejected Mr.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Rehm's petition.
• 20:58
  Speaker 14: The Fifth Circuit has said this is an overreach by
• 21:01
  Speaker 14: Congress with the ban on home distilling. So this is
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: a clear opportunity to have the U.S. Supreme Court clarify
• 21:07
  Speaker 14: this matter. That's why Alec has joined in with our
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: friends at the Advancing American Freedom. Mike Pence's group has
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: signed on to their amicus brief because this is an
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: important case for the future of the interpretation of our
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: Constitution and a key element of in this case, individual liberty,
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: but also to make sure that the federal government doesn't
• 21:28
  Speaker 14: go beyond its enumerated powers.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I think Mr.
• 21:30
  Speaker 14: Rehm is on to something very important here in Ohio.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I was unaware of the case. I'm all excited about
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it now. For the benefit of the audience, Wickard v.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Filburn is a height of the New Deal. A farmer
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: grew winter wheat for his own consumption. The court upheld
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a regulation of that winter wheat. It's long just annoyed constitutionalists, originalists,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: because There is no power over non-interstate commerce. Mr. Rehm
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: is just sitting in his basement brewing his own still.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: He's not selling it to anyone. That ought to be on.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: That's a police power exercise. Ohio might be able to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: ban his distilling, but it certainly isn't up to the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: federal government, John. Are there lots of people on the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: brief with you folks?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I think there's 35 other groups.
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: It's a wide-ranging brief from conservative and free market groups
• 22:21
  Speaker 14: such as us to even individual state lawmakers who have
• 22:25
  Speaker 14: joined the brief to say enough is enough. This is
• 22:28
  Speaker 14: a ridiculous abuse of interstate commerce authority, and the Supreme
• 22:32
  Speaker 14: Court needs to weigh in on this.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And it will. By the way, it goes back to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the Obamacare decision. There were five justices when it was
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Obamacare that said you could not oblige an individual sitting
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in their house not doing anything to buy insurance, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you could tax them. So we're back there. John, let's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: go to the EPA. What is the EPA up to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that you celebrate and ALEC members generally celebrate because it's pro-federalism?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Lee Zeldin's a pro-federalism guy.
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: Well, Lee Zeldin has been. He's been, I think, a
• 23:01
  Speaker 14: real star of this administration. And the way that he
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: describes it, as you know, Hugh, I know you've had
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: him on the show many times, is a core principle
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: of the EPA under the Trump administration, under Administrator Zeldin,
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: has been the idea of federalism, something that is a
• 23:17
  Speaker 14: core ALEC guiding principle. And so we're not surprised, but
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: we're very excited that Administrator Zeldin outlined a new advisory
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: committee of state and local officials to bring the expertise
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: from around the country. Some of them are ALEC members
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: that will be advising EPA around getting away from a
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: one-size-fits-all environmental regulation policy, right, and to say what works
• 23:42
  Speaker 14: in California or doesn't work in California in most cases,
• 23:45
  Speaker 14: as we know, is not going to work in Alabama
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: or in Alaska. And so it's an important just realization
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: and another piece of this administration's looking at states and
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: local governments as key partners and not as adversaries.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: And so we.
• 24:00
  Speaker 14: Applaud Administrator Zeldin for once again doing the right thing
• 24:03
  Speaker 14: and elevating the idea of federalism.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And then we got a minute and a half, John.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Alaska Public Policy Forum versus Alaska Public Offices Commission. Why
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: is Alec on the brief there?
• 24:16
  Speaker 14: Well, so we're filing our own brief in this case, Hugh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: and we're doing so because this is a clear violation
• 24:23
  Speaker 14: in our view of the free speech rights of a
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: small nonprofit state policy network group, the Alaska Policy Forum,
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: who their major sin, according to the state of Alaska,
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: was to blog and write articles about the dangers of
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: ranked choice voting. something that's confusing that we've talked about
• 24:41
  Speaker 14: on the show. We're very skeptical of that. It can
• 24:43
  Speaker 14: be politically gamed, as we see every single cycle now
• 24:46
  Speaker 14: in Alaska. And the state of Alaska said you need
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: to disclose your donors because they viewed that blog post
• 24:53
  Speaker 14: as an election activity. And so it's a far overreach
• 24:58
  Speaker 14: in terms of their ability to regulate based on First
• 25:01
  Speaker 14: Amendment protections. We think that groups ought to have the
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: ability to talk about public policy issues. They weren't urging
• 25:07
  Speaker 14: a vote for or vote against elections. anything on the ballot.
• 25:09
  Speaker 14: They were simply looking to educate Alaskans about this issue
• 25:13
  Speaker 14: of ranked choice voting. So we hope the Supreme Court
• 25:15
  Speaker 14: takes that case as well.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I hope they do too. And I hope they rule
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: for the First Amendment. Jonathan Williams, President and Chief Economist
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: at ALEC. Visit ALEC.org slash you for everything you need
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to know about the American Legislative Exchange Council. And don't
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: forget RichStatesPoorStates.com. I'll be right back.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: This also is part of the problem. Like boomers don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: understand streaming at all.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: So they just think that all I do is run
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: around and say like heinous things, you know, these are
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: defenders of child killers.
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry. If you're a defender of Israel, your word
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: means nothing to me.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: If you're a defender of genocide, you've already defended the most,
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: the worst crime.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. That's Hasan Piker. Yesterday, my guest is
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Eliana Y. Johnson, editor-in-chief of the Free Beacon, contributor to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the Commentary Podcast. Okay, Eliana, I'm a boomer, but I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: think I understand what he just did there. He just
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: hit bottom in anti-Semitic tropism. Is there anything a boomer
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: isn't going to get about that because we don't use Twitch?
• 26:35
  Speaker 17: Well, I don't think you need to understand the platform
• 26:37
  Speaker 17: to understand the message. He's a purveyor of hate who said,
• 26:42
  Speaker 17: and he said this long before this week when El-Sayed
• 26:48
  Speaker 17: attempted to put distance between the two of them, El-Sayed,
• 26:52
  Speaker 17: the Senate candidate in Michigan, of course, that he thinks
• 26:56
  Speaker 17: Hezbollah is a very successful resistance organization, that he supports
• 27:00
  Speaker 17: the Houthis, praised the Hezbollah flag. that the Boulder firebombing
• 27:07
  Speaker 17: targeted at folks holding a vigil for Israeli hostages was
• 27:14
  Speaker 17: a predictable reaction to Israel's actions. So all you need
• 27:19
  Speaker 17: to understand are his ideas to say that he's a
• 27:22
  Speaker 17: noxious personality and he's been a surrogate for Abdul El-Sayed's
• 27:28
  Speaker 17: campaign in Michigan. And he did that long after. He
• 27:33
  Speaker 17: said these things. And that's really all folks, I think,
• 27:36
  Speaker 17: need to understand.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Now, Eliana, I was on Fox earlier today. I made
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the argument that the blast radius of Hassan Piker is
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: much bigger than El Sayed. I don't think El Sayed
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: can come back. I haven't seen his internal polls, but
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they must be awful. He went on Jesse Waters. He's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: talking about Piker every day without trying to condemn him.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But John Ossoff condemned Piker today. Cory Booker did yesterday.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries sort of did the day before. Debbie Dingell says,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not answering anymore. How much damage is Piker doing
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to the Democrat brand generally?
• 28:08
  Speaker 17: Well, I think he's doing a lot of damage as
• 28:10
  Speaker 17: more and more of these DSA, Democratic Socialists of America candidates,
• 28:15
  Speaker 17: campaign with him because he is.
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: A supporter of terrorism.
• 28:20
  Speaker 17: And he went on national television and compared circumcision to
• 28:25
  Speaker 17: genital mutilation to the transgender movement supporter. for lopping off
• 28:29
  Speaker 17: the organs of young children and of teenagers, of minors.
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: And those are views that the average American finds despicable.
• 28:38
  Speaker 17: So I think Democrats are rightfully concerned. And Abdul El-Sayed,
• 28:43
  Speaker 17: the Senate candidate in Michigan, while he condemned this particular
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: statement that any Jewish person who supports the state of
• 28:50
  Speaker 17: Israel has it coming, he has not condemned Piker or
• 28:55
  Speaker 17: distanced himself from Piker, the individual.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: So let's look at other DSA-endorsed or adjacent candidates. Troy
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Jackson in Maine running against Susan Collins. Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: your home state, running against Michelle Tafoya. James Tallarico in Texas,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: just a weird guy, running against Ken Paxton. Chris Pappas,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: who's going to be running against either Johnson, who I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: guess next hour, or Scott Brown. Again, hard left. Do
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: they have a piker problem, too?
• 29:29
  Speaker 17: Well, I think we're going to see images of Piker
• 29:32
  Speaker 17: campaigning with and his radical statements, images of him campaigning
• 29:38
  Speaker 17: with these folks, juxtaposing. with his statements. And yes, they're
• 29:42
  Speaker 17: going to be used against these candidates as they should be.
• 29:46
  Speaker 17: He has launched himself into the political orbit of these
• 29:50
  Speaker 17: folks and they have welcomed him. He has been a
• 29:53
  Speaker 17: campaign surrogate because he wants to wield political muscle. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 17: I think this is precisely what we'd expect to see,
• 30:00
  Speaker 17: and Democrats are nervous. And, Hugh, it's a symptom of
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: the nervousness about the impact of the DSA because actually
• 30:08
  Speaker 17: these are the DSA's views.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: This is what they believe. And voting begins. In North Carolina,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you can get an absentee on September 4th. In Michigan
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and Minnesota, you can get an absentee, I believe, on
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: September 18th. The whole campaign has moved forward. It's not
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like we wait until Labor Day anymore. So coming out
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of the summer into the campaign, most everyone is talking
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: about Hassan Piker, Abdul El-Sayed. They're not talking about the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: idiocy of Medicare for all, even though that's what they
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: want to talk about. I think the Democrats are giving
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: back a lot of ground, Eliana. Do you agree with
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: me or am I being too optimistic?
• 30:47
  Speaker 17: Well, I think it's fair to say that in a very,
• 30:50
  Speaker 17: very tough election season for Republicans, this is what could
• 30:53
  Speaker 17: save them. The radical views that some of these Democratic
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: candidates and nominees are espousing. So much early voting took
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: place in that Michigan primary that on the day of
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: the primary, when Abdul El-Sayed appeared at a pool party
• 31:09
  Speaker 17: with Hassan Piker, that was really damaging for him. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 17: the race was much closer. than the polls showed and
• 31:16
  Speaker 17: that folks expected it to be. And so I think
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: this is what could save some Republicans in close races
• 31:24
  Speaker 17: at a time when the atmosphere really tilts against the
• 31:28
  Speaker 17: Republican Party.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And the last question, is the free beacon covering the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Senate races, all of them in-depth, Texas, where Paxton isn't
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: doing as well as we would like, or in Minnesota,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: where Tafoya is doing better than we would have thought?
• 31:44
  Speaker 17: We're covering them all coast to coast and particularly focusing
• 31:49
  Speaker 17: on the main Texas and Michigan races. We've done an
• 31:53
  Speaker 17: extraordinary amount of coverage of the Michigan race. Our front
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: page story today is about the Democratic operation to send
• 32:01
  Speaker 17: mailers that look like local newspapers and that described Al-Sayed
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: falsely as a veteran in order to fool Michigan voters.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, I got to go read that at thefreebeacon.com, the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Washington Free Beacon. You ought to check on it at
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: least every day, freebeacon.com. Follow Eliana at Eliana Y. Johnson.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Eliana. Stay tuned. I'll be right back on
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the Hugh Hewitt Show. Morning, glory, and evening, Grace America.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined by John Sununu, once and future senator,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: he hopes, from the great state of New Hampshire. Senator Sununu,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: welcome back. Are you going to watch the Browns-Patriots game tonight, Senator?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I will.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I'll catch most of it. I've got an event this
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: evening in Bedford, New Hampshire. But look, preseason football isn't
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: exactly riveting. But there are a couple of battles for
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: positions on the Patriots and they're a young team. So
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: it's always fun to watch.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I thought you'd be rooting for the Browns. I'm from Ohio, Senator.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I thought you'd be in there for the Browns. I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: was I misjudged you. So you're a lifer.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: How would I know you're not a Bengals fan, Hugh?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That's true. I'm from Northeastern Ohio. You wouldn't know that. Senator,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you a couple of questions. You
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: got a primary next week against Scott Brown. And then
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you got, if you win that, the general against Chris Pappas.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you about both of them. Do you
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: feel good about next Tuesday?
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: Sure.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Look, I feel good about what we've done over the
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: last 10 months. You know, it's town to town, person
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: to person. We've got a great message, put together a
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: very strong coalition within the party from day one. just
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: have constantly built momentum, right, focusing on the right things,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: focusing on New Hampshire, being a strong, effective voice for
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the state. Chris Pappas certainly isn't that. He's been on
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the Transportation Committee for eight years, and we are last
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: in New England in highway funding. So no effectiveness, no voice.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: And my focus has been on the economy, jobs, affordability.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what's put us in a position
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: with a lot of momentum, certainly for the primary. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: the polling for the general election has improved very steadily.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: But you don't take anything for granted. And this is
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: really a toss-up race.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I saw yesterday you have moved ahead of Chris Pappas
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in one poll. I'll come back to that. He votes
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: with AOC 94 percent of the time. Isn't that significantly
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to the left of the average Democrat, much less the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: average Granite Stater?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: So I hadn't seen that statistic. Voting with AOC, you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the socialist agenda, 94 percent of the time is way
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: out of touch with New Hampshire. I point out to
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: people that when Nancy Pelosi was speaker, Pappas voted with
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: her on 222 out of 223 recorded votes. I don't
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: even know how that's possible. It certainly isn't New Hampshire.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: But if you go to specific votes, he voted against
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: funding for the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. This is a premier
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: facility here in New Hampshire, 3,000 workers. Even the Democrat
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: congressman from Maine voted for that bill. Pappas voted against
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: that funding for New Hampshire workers. He voted to shut
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: down the government a dozen times. And it's just not
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: what the people in New Hampshire want or need in
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: their Washington voice.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: All right, Johnson and Newt, you anticipated my next question
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: on my list, the Portmouth Naval Shipyard. It's a repair center,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I believe, for a Virginia class. I don't know if
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the L.A. class or the boomers go in there. Vital
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to the national security. Democrats punted on the defense budget.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: We're under a CR, which is always bad. Is that
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a big issue beyond Portsmouth in New Hampshire, or does
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it just matter to the 3,000 people who work there
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and their families?
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Look, I think it's reflective. of not focusing on the
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: right priorities for the state of New Hampshire. Just casting
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: votes consistently, that's out of touch with the state of
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire. Chris Pappas voted for $ 1, 200 in taxpayer benefits
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: for illegal immigrants. Definitely not what the people of New
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Hampshire want. He has failed to stand up and protect girls' spaces,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to prevent boys from competing in girls' sports. He even
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: voted for a national car tax. You know, walk around
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire, ask people in New Hampshire, do you support
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: a national car tax? Definitely not. So vote after vote
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: is just out of step, out of touch with the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: people of New Hampshire. And and look, that's why I'm running.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: This is really important. This is a six year term.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: It's going to help shape the future for New Hampshire,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: for the country. And I want to make sure we
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: have a voice in Washington that is focused on one thing,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: stand up for the people of New Hampshire every day.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: And that's been the motto of my campaign.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Senator, before I go further, what is your website so
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that people who are listening in and around the country
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and close to New Hampshire want to help you or
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: get involved in the campaign? Where do they find it?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: SununuSenator.com.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: That's easy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Can't be more simple than that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Now, SununuSenator.com. All right, I want to ask you about
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the story of the day, which is Assange Piker. He
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: is not a normal person. The DSA is not your
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: father's Democrats or the Democrats I worked with when I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was in the Reagan administration. These people are off the map.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I know they're in New Hampshire to a certain extent.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think about them, and have they taken
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: over the Pappas campaign and the Democratic Party in New Hampshire?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Well, they have definitely driven him further to the left. Now,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: you mentioned 94% with AOC. What does that mean? Maybe
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: he's pushing 96%. I don't know. But they've pushed him
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: further to the left. Here's an example. When there was
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: a vote to cut off military funding for Israel, he
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: voted present. That's the picture of fear. He voted present.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Fear of the left. So the issue isn't so much
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: whether people are voting DSA in the state of New
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Hampshire or any other state. It's that the socialists are
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: in charge of the party. They're driving the agenda. They're
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: winning the primaries. And so it doesn't matter whether your
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Democrat member of Congress claims to be moderate. The socialists
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: are going to be in charge. And their agenda is clear, right?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It's defund the military. Well, we talked about Chris Pappas's
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: vote to defund the military, defund law enforcement. He certainly
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: voted to defund immigration law enforcement, close the prisons. Not
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: quite sure what we're going to do with violent offenders
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: when the socialist-led Democrat Party closes the prisons. Statehood for
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. pack the Supreme Court. I mean,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: those aren't... That's not you, Hugh, or me making claims.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: That's in the platform.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: You know, we're at a point where someone like Chris
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Pappas is simply enabling these socialists. And it's not it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: not right for New Hampshire. And it's certainly not right
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: for the country.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So, Senator, I spend the summer months in Maine freeloading
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: on my brother in law. You can't turn around in
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Maine without someone telling me how much it costs to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: heat the house during the winter. Is that a problem
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire? And do they understand that Democrats in
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: New Jersey, New York and the states, Massachusetts, that are
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: prohibiting pipelines from getting natural gas and refined products to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire? They do.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting how often the issue of bringing
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: up natural gas pipelines from the middle Atlantic states to
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire comes up. People understand that it's about access
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: and it's about access for families in central New Hampshire.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: That's why we need permitting reform. We obviously need to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: continue to produce in America. It's become really a dominant
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: industry globally now. for America. And that's good for the
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: entire country's economy. Housing affordability is certainly an issue. And frankly,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I think we ought to get rid of tariffs on
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: any building materials, bring down the cost of housing and
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: healthcare affordability. We need to force providers to compete across
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: state lines, give anyone who wants a health savings account,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a health savings account. And if you talk to a
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: nurse or a doctor in your office, they're spending 20, 25%
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: of their time on regulations, and we can do far
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: better than that because those are costs that we all
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: pay in the system.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, last question, Senator Sununu. Governor Ayotte, Jeanne Shaheen, Maggie Hassan,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: your brother, everyone is always sort of center right or
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: center left. Chris Pappas is way left. I mean, he
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just doesn't strike me as the average New Hampshire person.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Has the state moved that far? Is it moved at
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: all to the left?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, look, I don't think so. I think we've always
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: been a pretty sensible center-right state, live free or die,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: fiscal responsibility, limited government. We take great pride in local control,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: give our cities and towns real power to make decisions.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Those are the values that have made our state unique, right?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: We have the lowest state and local taxes of any
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: state in the country. We also have the lowest crime
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: rate and the lowest poverty rate. And look, the values...
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: that have enabled that strength or what I want to
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: take with me to Washington. But make no mistakes. Washington's
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: a mess. We need to fix, not fix, reform Washington.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And I've talked about three reforms I'll introduce on the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: first day that I'm in the Senate. One, term limits, right?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: No more career politicians. Two, let's make every member of
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Congress pay full price for their health care. No subsidies,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: no free rides until they fix what they broke. And
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: number three, if you're like Chris Pappas and you vote
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to shut down government, you don't get paid. Three bills,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: first day in the Senate, Hugh.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: John Sununu, I keep talking to you after Tuesday. Thank
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining me, sununusenate.com, sununusenate.com. Thank you,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: John Sununu. Don't go anywhere, America. I got lots more ahead.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Don't go changing that channel. Be talking with Vic Mattis
• 42:31
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• 42:34
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• 42:38
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• 42:44
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• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Vic Mattis joins me. Vic is with the Washington Free Beacon,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: where he's the Weekend and Culture Arts Editor. Follow Vic
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: on X at Victorino Mattis. He's also the co-host of
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Getting Hammered, though he was off this week. I think
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that's taking his son to college week off. Am I
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: right about that, Vic?
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: That is correct, Hugh.
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: We had a little trip to a college out in
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: the middle of the Midwest. We drove through the Pennsylvania Turnpike,
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: which is interesting. The Ohio Turnpike, I have to tell you, Hugh,
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: your state, that is a long one.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: It felt interminable until we got to Michigan.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It was a lovely trip, though. I want to talk
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to you about, first of all, the Pennsylvania Turnpike is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the worst-time turnpike in America. And while Ohio might be boring,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it is straight. flat, and the rest stops work. Can
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you disagree with that? Okay.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: No, that is very true. It is definitely flat and
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: straight in Ohio.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: A lot of twists and turns through the mountains and
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: going through the Alleghenies in Pennsylvania. I would like to
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: give a shout-out, however, Hugh. We stopped at a diner.
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: You don't want to stop at a rest stop in Pennsylvania.
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: There's not much to eat.
• 44:24
  Speaker 16: No.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: But, in fact, in Somerset, PA.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: And it's called the Summit Diner, and it is fantastic.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: The food is great.
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: It looks like a hole in the wall from the outside,
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: but it's amazing inside, and you would love this.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've been in the Somerset Diner.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: You have, yes.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: And it says that this is a politically incorrect place.
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: We say Merry Christmas, God bless the troops, and if
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: you don't like it, you can leave, and I loved it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I think Selena Zito eats there on a weekly basis,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: but the funny thing about Somerset is It's almost September.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: You could have had a blizzard. It's way up there,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and it's just the worst road in America. Do you
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: know that began as a private turnpike pick?
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: No, I remember reading about it in the history books
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: about the Pennsylvania turnpike.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: I didn't know it was a private road, but it's
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: quite a long one.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I want to get to Hassan Piker. I've been talking
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: about it all day. I can talk to you about
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton if you have a Dolly Parton thing ready,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: because Mary Catherine, our co-host, your guest host, talked about
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Dolly for the whole thing, but Mary Catherine couldn't come yesterday.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Emergency situation. She's fine. I hope everyone is fine. Tell
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: me what you think about Hassan Piker.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: Well, if you're a Republican, he's obviously the gift that
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: keeps on giving. I remember in 2008, Hugh, when Republicans
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: were trying to grab onto something to be able to
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: stop Barack Obama's cruise to the presidency, and they thought
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: that Reverend Jeremiah Wright would be the answer to to
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: their prayers because of the crazy things he had said.
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: But Obama was pretty much Teflon at the time. That
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: is not the same with Abdul El-Sayed because of the
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: things that Hassan Piker said that are just downright incendiary.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: It's very hard to defend these comments.
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: They're not just about, you know, criticisms about the government
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: of Israel or the policies or Benjamin Netanyahu. It's saying
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: things like, if you're Jewish and you support or the
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: state of Israel.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: You have it coming to you. And of course, that 9-11,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: we had it coming to us.
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: And it goes on and on about, you know, capitalists
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: and wanting them to die and terrible, terrible things.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Democrats are definitely very uneasy about this.
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: I saw Debbie Dingell get very upset saying, don't bring
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: him up to me. But the fact is, they chose
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: Abdul El-Sayed. This is a guy who has campaigned with
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: Hassan Piker. He hangs out with him. He goes to
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: parties with him. And if that is the case, why
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: do you support this man? Who supports this other guy?
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: And they have to answer for that. So, yeah, that's
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: the situation.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Now, the parallels I can come up with are from
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: long ago, Mark Foley, disgraced congressman who got stapled on
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: to every member of Congress in whatever cycle he was
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: outed as being a predator. Todd Akin, who is running
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: for Senate, I believe, in Indiana. Maybe it's Missouri. There
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: was another bad candidate in Missouri. got stapled onto everyone.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: The Witch in Delaware got stapled onto everyone. Nick Fuentes
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: gets stapled onto everyone. I think Turnabout is fair play,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and moreover, I actually think Hasan Piker has a lot
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: more influence across their entire party than did any of
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: those four people across the Republicans. Fair assessment?
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's very fair because, you know, social
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: media did not exist back then, Hugh, and now we
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: have actual evidence of the widespread popularity, at least on
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: the left with Hassan Piker, it's disturbing. And obviously we
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: don't live in, you know, social media is not the
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: real world. Nevertheless, they needed him and they wanted him,
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: you know, on the campaign trail initially because he was
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: popular and they think that he can help certain candidates win.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, one good turn deserves another.
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: I remember that those various campaigns, especially you know, in Delaware,
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: you know, that's all the media wanted to talk about.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: And now they feel very, very uncomfortable.
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: I will give credit to a lot of Democrats out there, however,
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: who are speaking out in this.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Very seemingly the Civil War.
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: And certain people I see on social media, Jamie Metzl,
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: who had worked for Clinton and Barack Obama, being very
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: outspoken that this is bad news, stay away from this guy.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: And other very reasonable Democrats, at least relative to Hassan Piker,
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: they need to have that conversation.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: And I'm all for it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: The more, the better. Cory Booker was the first person.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker's comments were sort of condemned by Hakeem Jeffries,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: who did not name Hassan Piker about Jews are calling
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: down violence on themselves by supporting Israel. And Jeffries pushed
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: back against that. But he didn't name Piker. Cory Booker
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: came out and slammed him. John Ossoff came out and
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: slammed him today. El-Sayed's still sticking with him. It may
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: be too late. I wonder if it's too late in Michigan.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Do you get the sense that Mike Rogers just needs
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: not to shoot himself in the foot and he's going
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to be the next senator now? Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: I mean, he needs to take a page, actually, from
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: Joe Biden in the basement in 2020.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: That's what people are saying.
• 49:37
  Speaker 9: Now, I've spoken to people out in Michigan, too, who
• 49:40
  Speaker 9: are very involved in those races.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: They're still very worried. I mean, this thing, it's not
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: a done deal at all, Hugh.
• 49:46
  Speaker 9: I mean, and according to some of their numbers, they
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: think that it's going to be a close race, which
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: I find thoroughly depressing if that's actually the case.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, I think that's the way that it's going
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: And that, you know, again, good for these other candidates
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: to speak out about Hassan Piker. And again, you mentioned
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: Abdul El-Sayed. I think the farthest he'll go is to
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: refer to him as a Twitch streamer, which certainly Piker
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: finds to be very insulting.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: And so their civil war continues. And I don't see
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: an end to it, actually.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: And last question, Vic, in your editorship of the book
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: section for Free Beacon, has anyone written yet about the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: impact of streaming services like Twitch on young minds? I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: joined it this week just to see what it's like.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I streamed a segment of my program. It's a nightmare.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: It is the disaggregation of thought. It's a completely incendiary
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: world of violence and profanity. I think it will destroy
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the minds that go there. Has anyone written a book
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: about it yet?
• 50:47
  Speaker 9: No, I mean, there are several books that are beginning
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: to touch on this, but this is still a relatively
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: sort of new.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: Phenomenon that we're beginning to absorb.
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, you're seeing a lot of books about what
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: happened during COVID and the pandemic and the effect of
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: screen time on children, particularly among Gen Z, and paying
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: the price for that. And I've had several reviews of that.
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: Cara Claremont did a great review about the rise and
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: fall of an influencer. It is not a healthy life, Hugh.
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: But we need to see more of that coming up.
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: And we're working on that. And I do want to
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: mention Mary Catherine Hamm has agreed to write about Dolly
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: Parton for The Weekend Beacon this Sunday.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, perfect. Because... The Getting Hammered podcast this week was
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: fabulous about Dolly and Mary Catherine may be the best
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: exponent of why she was an American phenomenon. Vic Mattis,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: pretty good at that, too, though. Follow him on X
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: at Victorino Mattis. Listen to him most weeks on the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Getting Hammered podcast and come right back to The Hugh
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Hewitt Show. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. My guest
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: is Josh Kroschauer, editor-in-chief of Jewish Insider. Josh has been
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: my guest on a variety of my shows for 10 years.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I rarely get to talk to him about
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: one person, but today we're just going to talk about
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker. Josh, first of all, what's your 30,000-foot view
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: of this phenomenon?
• 52:16
  Speaker 15: Well, look, we could see it coming a long time ago.
• 52:18
  Speaker 15: We had been asking a lot of Democratic lawmakers and
• 52:21
  Speaker 15: candidates what they thought of Hassan Piker and whether it
• 52:23
  Speaker 15: was appropriate for, you know, It was stunning how his extremist.
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: Rhetoric was not being condemned.
• 52:30
  Speaker 15: And John Ossoff was the latest Democratic senator to speak
• 52:33
  Speaker 15: out against him. Today, he's obviously in a reelection campaign.
• 52:39
  Speaker 15: We asked him four months ago, his office four months ago,
• 52:42
  Speaker 15: whether he, what he thought about Piker, because actually Piker
• 52:45
  Speaker 15: had said he was one of his sleeper favorites for
• 52:48
  Speaker 15: a presidential candidate in 2028. And Ossoff's office did not respond.
• 52:52
  Speaker 15: They would not answer the questions. Now they did, now
• 52:56
  Speaker 15: that he's becoming an obvious liability for the Democratic Party.
• 53:00
  Speaker 15: But that's, you know, it shouldn't be that, it shouldn't
• 53:02
  Speaker 15: require that much bravery to speak out against an anti-Semitic, anti-American,
• 53:07
  Speaker 15: someone who kind of praised 9-11 figure. But that's what
• 53:12
  Speaker 15: it's taken.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries did, Cory Booker did.
• 53:15
  Speaker 15: There are a lot of Democrats, or I shouldn't say
• 53:16
  Speaker 15: a lot, but there are a number of Democrats that
• 53:18
  Speaker 15: have in the last 24 hours.
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: But for some reason, it's taken.
• 53:22
  Speaker 15: a lot of courage for Democrats to speak out against
• 53:25
  Speaker 15: this extremism.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get the chronology correct.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Last week was a culminating moment when Piker warned American
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Jews that they would suffer the consequences of supporting Israel.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: It was not veiled at all. It was a threat,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: a threat that somebody else, not Piker, but somebody else
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: would do violence to American Jews for supporting Israel. I
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: don't have the exact quote here, but that is a
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: fair paraphrase. The day after that, leader Jeffrey, Hakeem Jeffrey,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Democratic leader in the House, condemned the comment but did
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: not name Hassan Piker, which was cowardly. The next day,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Cory Booker named Hassan Piker and slapped him down hard.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: The next day, today, John Ossoff did it. Abdul El-Sayed
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: refuses to do it. Is he just giving up on winning?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think his numbers are so bad that he's
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: giving up on winning, Josh Koshar?
• 54:19
  Speaker 15: Well, this is going to be Hugh, this is going
• 54:21
  Speaker 15: to be a close race. This is an environment that
• 54:23
  Speaker 15: typically it's a tough environment. We've talked about the environment
• 54:26
  Speaker 15: for Republicans. It's a typically challenging year. But the fact
• 54:31
  Speaker 15: that this race is competitive, I think Mike Rogers is up. And,
• 54:35
  Speaker 15: you know, you see, depending on the poll you're looking at.
• 54:37
  Speaker 15: But Rogers leads in the Fox poll by four points
• 54:40
  Speaker 15: and is statistically tied in the last other quality public
• 54:44
  Speaker 15: poll of this race. I mean, it shows how weak
• 54:48
  Speaker 15: of a candidate El-Sayed is. And look, I think the
• 54:52
  Speaker 15: person to really focus on is Hillary Sculpin, who is
• 54:56
  Speaker 15: a Democrat, a moderate in Michigan. She's from the Grand
• 54:59
  Speaker 15: Rapids area. She, even before Hakeem Jeffries put out his statement,
• 55:03
  Speaker 15: she not only condemned Hassan Piker by name after he
• 55:07
  Speaker 15: made those comments, but said she could not endorse Abdul El-Sayed,
• 55:12
  Speaker 15: the implication being that he, you know, he's refusing to
• 55:15
  Speaker 15: condemn this guy's worldview and this guy's comments. So she
• 55:19
  Speaker 15: she's a Michigan Democrat who is in a swing district
• 55:22
  Speaker 15: and is someone who's always been of, you know, someone
• 55:25
  Speaker 15: who's got I think got got got got good political instincts.
• 55:30
  Speaker 15: And she refuses to even endorse El-Sayed because of her
• 55:33
  Speaker 15: concerns about his record. I'd also point you to we
• 55:36
  Speaker 15: wrote about this yesterday in Jewish Insider. But the attorney
• 55:39
  Speaker 15: general of Michigan, Dana Nessel, who is a progressive, a
• 55:43
  Speaker 15: progressive Democrat who is Jewish, did a podcast.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: With The Atlantic.
• 55:47
  Speaker 15: And she said that she was really worried about the
• 55:51
  Speaker 15: fact that El-Sayed couldn't unequivocally condemn the terrorist attack at
• 55:55
  Speaker 15: Temple Israel, which happened in Michigan, had nothing to do, obviously,
• 55:59
  Speaker 15: with the Middle East, but had a hard time unequivocally
• 56:02
  Speaker 15: condemning the attack and said famously, hurt people, hurt people,
• 56:08
  Speaker 15: when he actually was asked about it. shortly after the
• 56:10
  Speaker 15: attack took place. And she said that was something that really,
• 56:13
  Speaker 15: really was a concern of hers in the interview with
• 56:15
  Speaker 15: The Atlantic. So this is a, you know, Democrats who
• 56:18
  Speaker 15: follow El-Sayed's record and follow Michigan politics know that this
• 56:23
  Speaker 15: person is not condemning Hassan Piker, likely because he agrees
• 56:27
  Speaker 15: with a lot of what Hassan Piker says.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: No, I, from afar, I could be wrong, of course.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I think he's lost already. But I am reminded of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the blast radius of Republicans of the past, Mark Foley,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Todd Akin, Christine O'Donnell, more recently, the blast radius of
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: an influencer, Nick Fuentes, who's a reprehensible human being. They
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: all blast out and they cover people in their muck
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and their smoke. I think Piker and Syed, El Syed,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: are hurting Chris Pappas in New Hampshire, Troy Jackson in Michigan,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota, Tallarico in Texas. I think they're
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: hurting even old, old Sherrod Brown, the infirm in Ohio.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I just think the blast radius is enormous here, Josh.
• 57:14
  Speaker 15: Well, look, I will say that when your party is
• 57:17
  Speaker 15: trying to win the Senate by competing in red state races, Texas, Ohio, Iowa,
• 57:22
  Speaker 15: you name a bunch of them, for the brand of
• 57:27
  Speaker 15: the Democratic Party not to be seen as putting this
• 57:29
  Speaker 15: guy beyond the pale.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: Is a problem.
• 57:33
  Speaker 15: I do think overall the environment, like I said, I
• 57:35
  Speaker 15: think given you're dealing with the headwinds of a first
• 57:39
  Speaker 15: midterm of the city president, you have Republicans in power
• 57:42
  Speaker 15: in Washington, the overall environment is, I think, favorable. But
• 57:46
  Speaker 15: you have the rise of the socialists. We've talked about
• 57:49
  Speaker 15: that a lot. It's not just Piker and El-Sayed, but
• 57:52
  Speaker 15: you have these candidates that are going to be nominated
• 57:54
  Speaker 15: and elected to Congress. And you have the fact that Democrats– look,
• 57:57
  Speaker 15: where's Chuck Schumer, by the way? I mean, it's kind
• 58:00
  Speaker 15: of notable that Hakeem Jeffries– was the one who put
• 58:02
  Speaker 15: out the statement. But Senate Minority Leader Schumer, who literally
• 58:05
  Speaker 15: wrote a book about anti-Semitism this year, couldn't say anything similar.
• 58:09
  Speaker 15: So it really does show how divided the party is
• 58:13
  Speaker 15: and how hard it has been for them to find
• 58:15
  Speaker 15: any kind of voice.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Did you see Patrick Ruffini's post today about the gap
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: in voter enthusiasm between Democrats and Republicans, which was double
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: digits six months ago? has closed to narrow single digits.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: That's very bad news for the Democrats. The Republicans are
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: getting interested. They're getting motivated, Josh. That's good.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker 15: I didn't see the numbers, but it doesn't surprise me. Look,
• 58:40
  Speaker 15: we're in a period of politics where negative polarization is
• 58:43
  Speaker 15: the name of the game. And this, as you note, Hugh,
• 58:46
  Speaker 15: when you can point to a lot of notable figures
• 58:48
  Speaker 15: like Piker and like a lot of the other folks
• 58:51
  Speaker 15: that Democrats have nominated as socialists and far to the left,
• 58:55
  Speaker 15: that is going to give Democrats, or sorry, that's going
• 58:58
  Speaker 15: to give maybe otherwise passive Republican voters reason to show
• 59:02
  Speaker 15: up at the polls. So we'll see that number, you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: the enthusiasm gap narrow as we get closer to the
• 59:07
  Speaker 15: midterm elections.
• 59:08
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  Speaker 1: Morning, morning, evening, Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Welcome to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the Hour of Hassan Pikers. And you might say to yourself,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: every hour has been a Sunpiker for like a month. No,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to drill down with Jim Garrity, Washington Post columnist,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: National Review columnist, author of The Morning Jolt, Every Day
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: from National Review, host of the Three Martini podcast, frequent
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: contributor to the National Review's The Editor's Podcast. I'm going
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: to do it with Abe Greenwald, commentary's executive editor. I'm
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: going to play a lot of clips that poor Dwayne
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: had to listen to three hours or six hours of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: a Sunpiker yesterday. But I wanted to start with Jim
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: because Jim actually has a political memory. He used to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: have a Sherpa, a special Oracle of Delphi guy who
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I think is dead or gone, so he can't ask
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: him about this. Jim, here are my names for you.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Christine O'Donnell, Richard Murdoch, Sharon Engel, Roy Moore, Mark Foley,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Todd Akin. These are Republican candidates of yours. They're like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: ghosts of Christmas past that are terrible memories. Is Abdul
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: El-Sayed going to become that, where he drags down the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: whole ticket because Hasan Piker is his Nick Fuentes?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: Interesting, Hugh.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 18: When you were going for past comparisons, I was wondering
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 18: about Marcos Militsas, formerly of the namesake of Daily Kos.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 18: By the way, when you mentioned my mentor, he has
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 18: passed away, Hugh. Obi-Wan Kenobi, who I talked about through
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 18: the 2004... It was Tony Dolan, Ronald Reagan's number two speechwriter.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, Tony and I went to mass together often. Yeah.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 18: I'm proud that Tony didn't mention to you that he
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 18: was Obi-Wan Kenobi because as he got older, he got.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: Looser and looser about, you know.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 18: But people used to speculate if it was Karl Rove.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 18: People used to speculate if it was Newt Gingrich. I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 18: believe somebody asked Karl Rove, are you Obi-Wan Kenobi? And
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 18: God bless Karl Rove. He said, I can't answer that question.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like being deep throat. Everyone thought Fred Fielding,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: my boss, was deep throat, and he wasn't. Turned out
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: to be number two at the FBI. But Tony, you
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: should tell people about Tony. He's a genius with the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: written word, but he was very Trumpy. So he probably
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: got mad at you.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 18: Yeah, so 2008, so I wrote about this for National
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 18: Review shortly after Tony passed. He was very big into
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 18: Newt Gingrich. And in 2012, Newt Gingrich was running for president.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 18: Mark Steind, you know, formerly of National Review, wrote a
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 18: cover piece on Newt Gingrich, was very skeptical, portrayed him
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 18: on the cover as Marvin the Martian, right?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: So this was a tough, hard-hitting, you.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Know, mocking.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Mark Stein special, yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and Tony took it personally.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 18: And Tony felt like National Review had lost its way
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 18: and all that stuff. And this is a, you know,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 18: rather bittersweet note of this. Tony just stopped talking to me.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 18: He just dropped me as.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: uh, a mentor.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 18: And I, you know, I, I, I think fondly of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 18: our years together, I'll be honest. It did not feel
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 18: good to be dropped by a guy who, cause he
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 18: was mad at your, at your bosses and the decisions
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 18: they had made. And, um, but essentially, so Hugh, you've
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 18: been kind enough to talk up the books on the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 18: back door about, uh, the, the, the, the dangerous click series,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 18: the character. So I basically, okay, Tony Dolan's out of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 18: my life. You know, the characters in the dangerous click
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 18: series have this, uh, mercurial mentor named Merlin, right? It's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 18: a spy thriller series. But somebody once said, is Merlin
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 18: Obi-Wan Kenobi? And the short answer is, I had never
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 18: meant it that way. But yeah, there was this very,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 18: I ended up like a lot of that character. And
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 18: then I suddenly kind of connected to that, to this
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 18: person in my life who had been so brilliant and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 18: so inspirational and such a great help. but who also
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 18: could just turn on you and decide he didn't want
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 18: to deal with you anymore.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, Tony got mad at me for 10 years, too,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: but he got over being mad at me once we
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: ran into each other at church.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: I'm glad I'm not alone. It's in the club. No, no.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 18: This classic impassioned Irishman who deep down needed a cause
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 18: to fight for and was always a true believer in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 18: that cause. And so, yes, but he did join– The
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 18: Trump administration in what seemed like this largely symbolic, you know,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 18: senior advisor role shortly before he passed.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: And so, yeah, you know, it's.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 18: Like Tony Dole. And so that's all that. I'm sure
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 18: this is not what you wanted to get into when discussing.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: You know, politics. And I ran down all that list
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of names because you'll know whether Abdul El-Sayed is in
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: that category and Assange Piker is in the Nick Fuentes
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: category or. the guy from Daily Kos. What's the analogy?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: What operates here? Sure.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 18: One is the idea, like, so he could be radio.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 18: It's interesting is that Piker is not on the ballot.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 18: Abdullah Syed has not done nearly enough to distance himself
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 18: from it. And this is one of those things where
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 18: like a normal campaign would say, oh, you know, Hassan
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 18: and I go way back. We're buddies, but man, he
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 18: says some crazy stuff, but I don't know what he's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 18: talking about. And no, America did not deserve 9-11, and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 18: when he says that kind of stuff, I want to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 18: check him for a concussion or something like that. You
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 18: do something where you make very clear you're not with
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 18: him on his controversial statements. Abdul Al-Sayed, not only is
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 18: he refusing to distance himself from Assange Piker, at least
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 18: as of the last time I checked, Abdul Al-Sayed is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 18: set to spend Labor Day weekend speaking at the Islamic
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 18: Society of North America's conference in Detroit. Now, Hugh, I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 18: know this is going to shock you, but some of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 18: the speakers of that conference are kind of on the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 18: controversial side. People who've promoted child marriage, people who have
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 18: said like everything you would expect to be in terms
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 18: of incendiary rhetoric from some Muslim leaders who are not mainstream.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Fundamental.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 18: If your name is Abdul, if your name is Abdul Asayed.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 18: you're going to get the Muslim vote in the state
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 18: of Michigan, right? You don't need to worry about that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 18: demographic at all. You don't have to worry about soccer
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 18: moms and working class and auto workers and all these
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 18: other groups that you need to worry about. And instead,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 18: he's spending part of Labor Day weekend trying to win
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 18: with an audience that is already voting for him. And
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 18: so it's very, he wants, Abdul Al Sayed, in addition
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 18: to all of his other flaws, Like, he's very cocky,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 18: and he really seems to think, I'm not just going
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 18: to win this Senate race against Mike Rogers, who's probably
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 18: the best pick the Republicans could have gotten, and I'm
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 18: going to do it my way, and I'm not going
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 18: to have to compromise, and I'm not going to have
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 18: to moderate, and I'm not going to have to distance
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 18: myself from any of my more extreme supporters. And I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 18: think if you're a Michigan Democrat, you're tearing your hair
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 18: out over this, because that's traditional. Traditionally, you win the primary,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 18: and particularly when you win a very divisive primary by
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 18: a All of a sudden, you're a Care Bear.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: You're Mr. Hugs and Kisses, and I'm Main Street. Don't
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: go to the Islamic Society conference. Go to the apple-picking festival.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: Go to anything that is Main Street.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Go to Mackinac Island. Right?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: And say, oh, I was so wrong about this place.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: I love this place. Thank goodness we're away from the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: cars or something. I don't know. There is something.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 18: It's not just that Abdullah Syed is trying to win
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 18: this race without moderating.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: He's trying to do it his way.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 18: And to win a full-throated endorsement for the DSA agenda.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 18: And I think that's a tall order, even in a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 18: year that otherwise looks bad. Do we have time for
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 18: one more anecdote or segment?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to tell you what's coming. What's coming
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: is 15 minutes of clips from his three-hour nightmare, six-hour
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: nightmare yesterday. He lost it yesterday. Hassan Piker did. And
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to stick to every Democrat, but
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: it's definitely going to stick to Abdullah. El-Sayed. Okay.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: Hugh, you want people to listen to your program, right?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 18: People are going to turn off their radios if you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 18: keep playing that much of Hassan Piker. But so I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 18: was thinking about 2006, right? Republican president. There's a war
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 18: in the Middle East. Economy's not doing great. and there's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 18: a bunch of sex scandals involving Republicans. Nothing like this.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Year, right?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 18: But that year, so Obi-Wan or Tony Dolan and I
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 18: are talking regularly, and he's looking at it, and I'm
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 18: not surprised by what you said in an earlier segment
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 18: about Patrick Ruffini, Republican enthusiasm is starting to pick up.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: You very rarely have.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 18: A cycle where the bases of both parties aren't fired up.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 18: I just think that the era we're in, the idea
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 18: that the Republican base was going to stay lethargic and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 18: disinterested all the way through to November– It was just
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 18: never a realistic expectation, right?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: So it'll turn.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 18: Into the two bases competing against each other. It might
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 18: still be a bad year for Republicans. But 2006, at
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 18: one point, they were talking about a 50-seat swing.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: Democrats won 31.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 18: And Tony and I looked at the numbers and were
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 18: saying the Republican base is coming home. Democrats pick up
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 18: 31 seats and people are like, what are you talking about?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: How did the base came home? Well, 19 seats were 5%
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: or less.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 18: So that 50 seat projection, the Republicans came home in
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 18: enough of them to put Republicans over the top of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 18: the 19th. That was the Republican base coming home. It
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 18: was going to be even worse, you know, two weeks earlier.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 18: So it would not surprise me if things are looking bad.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 18: And then somewhere around mid-October, you start seeing Republican enthusiasm grow,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 18: pull even with the Democrats. And will that be enough
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 18: to save a Republican House?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: I don't know. The redistricting will help some. It's a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: tough environment. There's no getting around that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Is Hassan Haidt going to help?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: Not in the slightest.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 18: And I think if you're, it's interesting that I wonder
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 18: how much of what we've seen in the last year
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 18: or so is a DSA rising or just the collapse
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 18: of the centrist wing or branch or side of the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 18: Democratic Party. Because if you're a Democratic voter, right, since
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 18: 2020 or so, you've been told by Democrats, don't worry,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 18: Biden's not too old.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: Don't worry, Biden can handle another term. Don't worry, he'll
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: be fine in the debate.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 18: Whoops, okay, he wasn't fine in the debate, but don't worry,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 18: Kamala Harris, we don't have time for a primary. We
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 18: don't have time to debate who the nominee should be.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 18: It's going to be Harris. Don't worry, Tim Walz is
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 18: going to be great. Don't worry, Harris is ahead. Don't worry,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 18: her fundraising, all the money we're raising is going to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 18: useful things. And then she loses not just the race,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 18: not just the popular vote, but all seven swing states.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And now they're saying, pay no attention to Assange, Piker,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: and Abdul El-Sayed. And that's what they're saying.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 18: I'm just saying, like, if you're a Democratic, why do
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 18: you have any faith in the establishment? What have they
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 18: done to earn your confidence? What have they been right
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 18: about anything in the last five or six years?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Well said. Jim Garrity, follow him at Jim Garrity. Read
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: him in the Post, National Review. Listen to Three Martini
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Lunch and the Editors. And stay tuned. The Hour of
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Piker continues on The Hugh Hewitt Show. Welcome back, America.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt. I was on Fox News earlier with Jackie Heinrich.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: She asked me about his son, Piker. I wrote a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: column for Fox News about it today. Here's that clip
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: from earlier this afternoon, cut number 13.
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  Speaker 6: Let's bring in Fox News contributor Hugh Hewitt, who writes
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: for Fox News dot com today. Hassan Piker's radical rhetoric
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: is becoming Democrats 2026 brand.
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  Speaker 12: Hugh, great to see you.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: Is is Hassan Piker just a streamer?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: No, he's not. And it's very difficult for Abdul El-Sayed
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to say he's just a streamer when it was, in fact,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker, who carried Abdul El-Sayed over the finish line.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Remind the audience, there were a million and a half
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: votes cast in the Democratic primary up north in Michigan.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Haley Stevens against Abdul El-Sayed. Abdul El-Sayed won by 15,000 votes, 1%.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: He was campaigning in the days and weeks, indeed the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: night of, at a pool party streaming with Hassan Piker
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: in Michigan. Abdul El-Sayed owes his nomination to Hassan Piker.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Now he doesn't want him because he's radioactive. In fact,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: earlier today, John Ossoff denounced Hassan Piker. Yesterday, Cory Booker
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: denounced Hassan Piker. Democrats are lining up to say Hassan
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Piker's got nothing to do with me because he's radioactive.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: But it's too late. This was the summer of the DSA,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: the Democrat Socialists of America. It's ending with a focus
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: on Assange Piker. And Assange Piker is bringing down everyone
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party, most especially Abdul El-Sayed. I don't
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: know what his internals are. I haven't seen them. But
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: the efforts he's gone to put distance between himself and Piker,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: enormous efforts, and it's not going to work.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: Is it really all that enormous, though? I mean, the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: statement after the most recent episode with Hasan Piker didn't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: even mention Hasan Piker's name. You would think that if
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: Abdul El-Sayed wanted to really put distance between himself and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: this Twitch streamer, he would call him out by name.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: He would, you know, name and shame the actions that
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: he finds reprehensible. And we have not seen that. Meantime,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: it's having an impact on Jewish people. You have in
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: Michigan the attorney general talking about potentially leaving the Democratic
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: Party because of the incoming that she is feeling.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: Listen to this.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 12: I have people saying you are not going to tell
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 12: us what you deem to be anti-Semitic. We'll decide what's anti-Semitic.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 12: That's not up for you, the Jewish population, to decide.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 12: And I find that to be very off-putting and offensive.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 12: I was Jewish before I was ever a member of
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 12: of the Democratic Party. And if I have to, I'll
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 12: be Jewish afterwards, too.
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  Speaker 6: It seems like we're hearing more and more of that lately, Hugh.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: We are. We heard it from John Ossoff. We heard
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: it from Cory Booker. We heard it from the attorney general.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: We hear from Congress people. Here's the basic problem. When
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: you invite someone to move in with you, if you're
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: going to lease a two-bedroom apartment in a small building,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: your roommate is your roommate is your roommate. And that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: roommate affects not only you, if they happen to be
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a psycho or they happen to be outside the bounds
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: of what people consider to be ordinary habits of living,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: they are stuck with you for as long as the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: lease runs. Moreover, they pollute the entire building. Hasan Piker
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: is that guy, that terrible roommate, that radioactive presence in
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: your life. And Abdul El-Sayed wants to cut him off.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: There's only really one way to do it, which is
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: to evict him. And that's very difficult to do when
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: he got you there, when he found the apartment, when
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: he put the deposit down, when he paid the security deposit.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Hasan Piker is Abdul El-Sayed. Mike Rogers calls them their
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: running mates, and Mike Rogers is right in Michigan. But
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Piker is also a running mate for every Democrat who's
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: gotten close to the DSA, who's DSA adjacent. I look
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: at Troy Jackson in Maine running against Susan Collins. That's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: a Hassan Piker rake. I look at Chris Pappas running
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. He's got a Hassan Piker problem. I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: look at Tallarico in Texas, Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota. They
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: all have Hassan Piker problems. And the only way you
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: get out of that, and I don't even know if
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: it works, is to go in front of the cameras,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: look straight in the camera and say... I denounce Hassan Piker.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: He is a radical anti-Semite addicted to violent rhetoric of
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: the sort that is destroying the United States. I made
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a mistake having anything to do with him. I was fooled.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I am bad. I'm done. That's how you get it done.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And that is, by the way, not going to happen.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker yesterday had a complete crash out for three
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: hours on Twitch. Generalissimo listened to it and grabbed some
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: segments for us. This is from yesterday. Cut number one,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: It means something that I that I have actively advocated against.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 11: My whole life. It's orchestrated. It's completely orchestrated.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: GLD Vittorio said every damn political figure falling for the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 10: trap of spending more time on Hassan Piker than attacking
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: Republicans is at best easily duped and at worst has
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 10: something to gain from Democrats losing in November. Either way,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 10: they shouldn't be taken seriously as a leader or nor advisor.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: All right, cut number two.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: Every prominent Dem disavows me for saying Jews are not
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 10: a monolith. Yeah, I think it's going to get to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 10: a point where it's just like me versus the world
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 10: with this issue, because there are plenty of people on
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 10: the anti-Zionist side who are literally saying Jews are a monolith.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 10: And there are plenty of people on the pro-Israel side
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 10: that are saying the same as well.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: No, there aren't. More Hassan Baker from yesterday. Cut number four.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 10: The reason why you're seeing this uniparty approach is because
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 10: every Israel-first Democrat, every AIPAC Democrat wants to get rid
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 10: of me.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 11: But they don't want to just get rid of me.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 11: They want to get rid of all of us.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 10: They want to get rid of the 90 percent of
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 10: their base of the party.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 11: That is demanding this change from the party. And that's it.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 11: And no one will say it.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 10: Obviously, even the new crop of Democrats can't say it
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 10: because we haven't been able to build enough power internally
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 10: in the party to come out and be like, the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 10: hell are we doing? Akeem Jeffries, instead of addressing the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: fact that you're having private closed door meetings with Jared Kushner.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Cut number six. Cut number six.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 11: These guys are toying with the Senate majority now.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 17: Yes.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 11: Yes, they want the Democrats to lose.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 10: Democrats want the Democrats not to gain a Senate majority
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 10: if that means that.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: There will be Israel critics. Cut number seven.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 10: Many of you do not understand the complicated ways of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 10: being a public personality and Not a private citizen, but
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 10: a public personality and political speech. You do not understand
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 10: how difficult it is to actually prosecute a defamation claim.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? Truth is a defense. Cut number eight.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 10: This also is part of the problem. Like, boomers don't
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: understand streaming at all. So they just think that all
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 10: I do is run around and say, like, heinous things.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 10: These are defenders... of child killers i'm sorry.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 20: Cut number nine if you're a defender of israel your
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 20: word means cut number nine i never thought that i
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 20: would be the recipient of this i never thought that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 20: i would be at the heart of uh this this
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 20: united front approach coming from centrist pundits right-wing democrats the entirety.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Of the republican party you get it and there's more
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: there's lots more i'll play some for a green one
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: i'll play some more coming back hassan piker think he's
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: a victim When, in fact, all people have done is
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: pay attention to what he says. He's ruined Abdel El-Sayed.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: He's going to ruin all the Democrats. Stay tuned. Welcome back, America.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Abe Greenwald coming up after the break because I want
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: someone to check me on what I think is a
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: nightmare for the Democrats. I've been there before as a Republican.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I've seen Republicans collapse and bring the party down with them.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Because they said a stupid thing or they associated with
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: the wrong person. Well, Assan Piker is the running bait
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of Abdul El-Sayed. He's super glued to El-Sayed. As I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: said on Fox earlier, he's the roommate that signed the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: lease and put the security deposit down and made the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: first and last month's rent. They can't get him out
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: of the house. And he's not going. A couple more
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: clips because Dwayne did a great job suffering the pollution
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: of listening to Twitch stream yesterday by Assan Piker. Cut
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: number 11. I'm doing all right, though.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 11: Part of that is because, look, I worry about Abdul.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: But I think they're going overboard. I think they're really,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 10: really going overboard. And they're doing this over Israel again.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 10: And anytime they do this over a 90-10 issue, the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: same problem persists. I think that was the biggest mistake
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 10: for Abdul. was to cave on the faulty smears on
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 10: the issue where the overwhelming majority support is on his side.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Okay. The fact that he eats and is kind of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: a slob in the middle of the Twitch stream, he's
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: very marginal, but he's attached himself to every Democrat. Cut
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: number 12.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 10: So, yeah, it hurts my soul that Abdul El-Sayed is
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 10: in this unique position where he has to toe the line, okay?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: Because the expectation, even if he understands the context of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 10: every single smear, and I'm certain given the similarity of
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: positions that he has with the broader anti-Zionist movement, he
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 10: obviously intimately understands that The way that these smear campaigns work,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 10: because he has been the recipient of the same smear campaigns.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 11: So what is he supposed to do?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: Run around and constantly address every smear at my behest?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 11: Because if he were to do that, if he were
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 11: to do that.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: Then he gets bogged down on this nonsense where every
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 10: moment that he spent defending me is a moment where
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 10: he's not talking about his policies.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: All right, so Abdul El-Sayed has not run away from
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Assam Piker, anything but that. In fact, he keeps giving
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: us new information, new material. Abdul El-Sayed himself, 2025 Bernie
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Sanders fight the oligarchs rally in Kalamazoo, Michigan, cut number 17.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 21: We need Democrats who have the courage to stand up
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 21: to the power brokers in our own party, let alone
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 21: Trump and his goons.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: We don't back down.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 9: We don't back down.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 11: We don't back down.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: With all due respect, if they go low, we don't
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: go high. We take them to the mud and choke
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: them out.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Choke them out. Way to go, El Sayed. Cut number
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: 16 on the 2025 podcast.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: What have you found in your travels that you would
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: say America could gain from back home or anything like that?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Community.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 8: I think the hardest part about American life right now
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 8: is that we've been like deeply atomized right we're told
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: that all the community we need is on a little
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 8: computer on our hips and that's not community you don't
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: feel that no I think people are desperate to feel
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: something here yeah and I think there for all of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: the challenges that that much massive humanity can bring you're
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: constantly enveloped in other people's humanity.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: It's like a beautiful thing yeah.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: And I wish we had more of that and I
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: find myself right like You know, the thing about being
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 8: and living and engaging with other people is that it's inconvenient.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: By its nature, it's inconvenient.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: But, like, what is life about?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: Are we just trying to be, like, conveniently shuttled between
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: one thing and the next? Like, never really feeling one another?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: Never really, like, being a part of something bigger? Like,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 8: you go to any wedding back home.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just like this celebration of humanity.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 17: It is.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Back home, he's talking about is Egypt. I don't know
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: if that's going to fly. Hassan Piker coming up at Greenwald.
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• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: I am done, so don't any reporter ask me again
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: about Hassan Piker.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 11: It's not what November is about.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. In fact, Hassan Piker is everything that
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the Democrats are talking about. I'm joined by Abe Greenwald,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: executive editor of Commentary magazine. Abe, this is the hour
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: of a son. Piker, I've been playing his clips from
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: his three-hour Twitch stream yesterday. I noted on Fox earlier
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: that Ossoff denounced him today. Cory Booker denounced him yesterday.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Abdul El-Sayed won't. How much of a problem is Piker
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: for Democrats everywhere, not just in Michigan?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 21: Well, I think it's a very interesting moment because, to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 21: be honest with you, I've had a problem with the
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 21: hyper-focus on Piker.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: For a while now.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 21: What I mean by this is that I think in
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 21: focusing on Piker, a streamer, not someone who's running for office,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 21: not someone who is in the Democratic Party, but a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 21: media personality, I think it creates the illusion that the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 21: worst thing about someone like Abdul El-Sayed or any of
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 21: the other radical DSA candidates is that they have an
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 21: association with Hassan Piker. That is not the worst thing
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 21: about them. The worst thing about them is that they
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 21: have horrible, dangerous, anti-American, anti-Semitic ideas. So does Piker, of course.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 21: But I feared for a while that the focus... hyper-focus
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 21: on Piker would turn him into a kind of heat shield.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 21: And my fear now is that should the Democrats and
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  Speaker 21: the radicals and the ones who have enabled the radicals,
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  Speaker 21: should they now decide that this association with Piker has
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  Speaker 21: become more trouble than it's worth, I fear that people
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  Speaker 21: may think, oh, well, they've cut ties with Piker.
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  Speaker 5: Now they're fine.
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  Speaker 21: Cutting ties with Piker will not make them fine.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right, Abe, but I don't think you're
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  Speaker 1: right about the ability to cut ties with Piker. It's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: like Chernobyl. You don't get to leave Chernobyl undamaged. Let
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  Speaker 1: me just play you a couple of clips from Piker yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, Piker is the de facto brand of the Democrats,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: along with the DSA co-chair, of whom there are a
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: million of them, and they all say things like we
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  Speaker 1: hate the Constitution. This has become the cycle. Here's Hassan
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  Speaker 1: Piker yesterday, cut number eight.
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  Speaker 10: This also is part of the problem. Like boomers don't
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 10: understand streaming at all. So they just think that all
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  Speaker 10: I do is run around and say like heinous things.
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  Speaker 10: You know, these are defenders of child killers. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 11: If you're a defender of Israel, your word means nothing
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  Speaker 11: to me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: If you're a defender of genocide, you've already defended the most,
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  Speaker 10: the worst crime.
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  Speaker 14: All right.
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  Speaker 1: One more Abe cut. Number 10.
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  Speaker 11: You want APAC to win? Get the f * * *
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  Speaker 11: out of here. Here's the thing. I see this.
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  Speaker 10: As going through the motions of the same process that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 10: APAC is going through right now.
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  Speaker 11: It's not a secret that they despise me. And I
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 11: welcome them. I welcome their hatred. Not a secret.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 10: Your boos mean nothing when I've seen what makes you cheer.
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  Speaker 10: And what makes you cheer is the death of children. OK,
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  Speaker 10: death and destruction, a genocide.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think you can distance yourself from that
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  Speaker 1: effectively in 70 days or 68 days. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's already baked in.
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  Speaker 21: I would have to agree with you, but there's always
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 21: a chance that. If you just say the right words,
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  Speaker 21: this is my problem with calling for apologies from public
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  Speaker 21: figures for offensive statements as if it changes the fact
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  Speaker 21: that they said what they said or as if it
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 21: changes what's in their heart. There's always the chance that
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  Speaker 21: someone who's on the fence, maybe it was some Democratic American,
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  Speaker 21: on the fence, you know, they're generally liberal, but maybe
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 21: the Democrats or maybe the party is being too ingratiating
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  Speaker 21: with these radicals.
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  Speaker 5: Now they cut ties. They go, okay, I feel better.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: Now I can pull the lever.
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  Speaker 21: Now I'm still one of them. And actually, I would
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 21: hate to see that happen because I think there needs
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 21: to be a comprehensive reckoning between with the radical infiltration
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 21: and takeover of the left, the liberals, and the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 1: So I agree with that, Abe. And the comprehensive reckoning
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: comes by, I'm using an Alinsky tactic, focus on one
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  Speaker 1: person who defines everything that you don't like, and that
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  Speaker 1: is Piker. and then turn all your fire on him
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  Speaker 1: and make the Democrats pay for that. And they have
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: to vomit him out. We can't do that for them.
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  Speaker 1: They have to do it. And what they've done thus
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: far is not vomiting him out, is it?
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  Speaker 21: No, I mean, that's the other thing. You know, they
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 21: have stood by his side in one way or another
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 21: for quite a while now. And, you know, the thing, Hugh,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 21: about the clips that you played, those are just the
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 21: most recent. They have embraced this man years after he
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 21: said the U.S. deserved 9-11, after he said that the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 21: government of Israel is far worse than Hamas. He would
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 21: take Hamas any day over Israel, and so on. So
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 21: none of that was a problem for them. He said
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 21: some recent things, which you've probably already covered, in addition
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 21: to the ones that you've played me, that were unalloyed.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 21: calls for incitement against American Jews for the crime of
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 21: supporting Israel.
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  Speaker 5: This is only the latest.
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  Speaker 21: Thing out of his mouth. And there will be more
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 21: in the coming weeks. See, that is the other problem.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 21: Piker loves this. This is his brand. He's becoming a superstar.
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  Speaker 21: So he's not going to give the Democrats, who just
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 21: would love for him to quiet down a little bit,
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  Speaker 21: he's not going to give them a break.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not. And we'll leave it there because I
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: think he's more radioactive than Nick Fuentes, who's as radioactive
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: as anyone in American politics. And now the Democrats are
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: stuck with him in a way that the Republicans are
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: not stuck with Nick Fuentes. No one will go near
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes. And they have got superglue to them, not
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: just Abdul El-Sayed, but Troy Jackson in Maine and Chris
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Pappas in New Hampshire and Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Tallarico in Texas. Even Ossoff with his condemnation day. I
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: just don't think they can get rid of him. Thank you,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Abe Greenwald. Follow him on X at Abe Greenwald. Stay tuned.