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Ep 25: The Art of Fascia Alchemy: Trusting Your Hands & Intuition with Dani Granaroli · Homestead And Heal Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Homestead and Heal.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Scott.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Lindsay, and we live with our three children on a farm in Vermont.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our lives revolve around growing food and medicine, working with the body, and trying every day to live in deeper relationship with the earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now we're welcoming guests to our farm for intimate retreats where they can slow down and feel deeply into this earth-body connection.
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  SPEAKER_00: This podcast is about remembering something many of us have forgotten: that we're not separate from the natural world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our bodies are part of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our healing comes through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when we reconnect to both, our purpose often begins to reveal itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Through conversations with herbalists, farmers, body workers, and people walking unconventional paths, we explore what it looks like to step outside the modern paradigm and build lives rooted in connection, healing, and reciprocity with the earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Homestead and Heal podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm joined by a dear friend and colleague, Danny.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is an amazing bodyworker and coach and has so many skills, and that is why I asked her to be my assistant for my fascia alchemy professional bodywork training.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so today I am interviewing Danny, and also we'll be talking a little bit about next spring's fascia alchemy training.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess I got to know Danny through how did we?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've getting it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it was just word of mouth, like, oh, you do the same type of bodywork.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did we meet at one of Lisa's things?
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: That must have been very many years ago, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a decade.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe close to close to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, probably about nine years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: What right after I had started my job barns trainings.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's so awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why don't you tell everyone if there's anything more you want to share, just about just a quick little bio of who you are and what you do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I came to this type of work through massage, but massage really was like a it was a stop on the road for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really saw massage as a way to help me gain some independence while being in the holistic field.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was more interested in herbs and ultimately I realized that touch was the place that I was supposed to be, but massage was not my avenue.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the thing I loved about herbalism and herbs was that connection with the plants and the way that it fostered a sense of empowerment and autonomy within the individual.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when I found John Barnes Myofash release and the other modalities that have come since, a lot of it was, to me, actually deep healing, like transformational healing work.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I'm really passionate about.
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  SPEAKER_02: I needed it for myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I grew up with a pretty high ACE score.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was really the first place that I started to be able to come into my body and process all of my stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And since then I have gone on to beyond the bodywork stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: I also am a life coach.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do two styles.
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  SPEAKER_02: One is called the destination method, and one is called existential kink.
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  SPEAKER_02: So one is focused on it's also the somatic form, but it's focused on shadows and shadow work in the union sense, our unconscious.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the other one is just really beautiful, transformational thought work in a way similar to the thought work that you do, but has just a much broader application.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe would you tell our listeners just a little bit about your childhood?
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  SPEAKER_01: I know you just mentioned this, but what were there any pivotal moments that you think really put you on this path?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or just do you remember those kind of earlier connections with body?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would say I do have the moment that really like someone said to me, You actually need to do this work in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Prior to that, I really was quite disassociated as a survival technique.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I always loved dance.
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  SPEAKER_02: So dance was always in my world, being in the ocean because I grew up in Southern California was always in my world, swimming.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yoga came and went with hypermobility.
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  SPEAKER_02: We I had a love-hate relationship with yoga.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the moment that really made sent me on the path of like actually learning the field of healing work was I was working on a farm right after college and I got an injury actually at a dance class.
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  SPEAKER_02: Randomly I was dancing and my leg hurt.
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  SPEAKER_02: And someone up in where I lived in Western, sorry, in Washington State at that point was Western Washington State, told me about this amazing healer and said, you have to go see her.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I had a half an hour of conversation with her and had some like deep, beautiful emotional healing, and went and saw her in person a few days later.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I will be honest, I have no clue what she did to this day.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what she did to my body.
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  SPEAKER_02: It felt like I was in this like very etheric altered state.
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  SPEAKER_02: Prior to that, I think I had had like two massages in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was not like in my wheelhouse.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is what, in your 20s?
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  SPEAKER_02: At this point, I was, yeah, 22.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, the one she said a few things to me, but one thing she said to me is you're a healer.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is what you do in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Find a modality and a way to get paid for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: AKA to have a reciprocal relationship with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, you'll just continue to be martyred to it the rest of your life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you've already been doing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that and I needed to hear it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really needed to hear it that like hard, firm way.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it really sent me on this path, starting with herbs and then touch.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it has given me so many gifts around my martyrdom and boundaries and all of that because it's given me this tiny little microcosm to actually get to to learn those skills.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love, I was just thinking right now, just how cool it is that we found each other when we were both really involved with the John F.
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  SPEAKER_01: Barnes myofascial release trainings.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you went off and explored these others, other realms, the X existental kink and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Robert destination method.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: Destination method.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I studied heart healing and I did holistic pelvic care with Tammy Kent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we both studied the integrated positional therapy, which is part of the program that we teach with our friend Vicky, who studied with Lee Albert.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we went off and gathered different modalities that I think, from what I can tell, really supported us individually.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's often why people are drawn to any type of body work or coaching or whatever is that to learn how to be that practitioner is because we know that we need it.
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  SPEAKER_01: For me, that was very much the case with the things I studied.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now we've brought them together and yeah, have this really cool program.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's see.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I guess we're here to talk about this training.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I just realized that I've never heard your story.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I want to know like, what is the origin story of you creating this program?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I will share that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that would have been two years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: That I, or maybe three, I had a couple individuals who are coming to see me for body work who started one started asking, Will you would you ever teach this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you ever teach what you do?
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  SPEAKER_01: And my initial answer was like, Oh, I learned from John Barnes.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can go do those trainings.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the second person was asking me, and maybe there was a third, also, I'm not sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: But with at least a couple really cool women asking me if I would teach them, I was like, geez, should I teach this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I could do it in a way that would be really different than the way the myofascial release trainings are.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was my sort of main inspiration, I would say, was actually just being invited.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe some of that is my human design of a projector.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm supposed to wait for the invitation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was like a very clear invitation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I also just had this sort of knowing that I was meant to teach in some way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do love, I love teaching because I learned so much while I'm teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, when I thought about the John Barnes trainings, which I will just huge credit to John Barnes.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's he was such an amazing man.
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  SPEAKER_01: John, if you're listening on the other side, I just want you to know that I value you and your work so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was so incredibly life-changing for me.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: I studied the, I went through almost all the John Barnes trainings and I did two skill enhancement seminars with him where I worked with him in his clinic for one week, 40 hours in one week.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of those times that I did that was just in 2022, so not that long ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at that point, he was in his mid 80s and winding down.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the time that I went to study with him in Sedona in 2022, it was perfect because it was me and this one other therapist who were there in this role as kind of mentees.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: And the other therapist who was there was a man.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anytime John was doing internal pelvic work with women, he would invite me to come in the room, but the men were not invited in.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I got to spend a bunch of time with just John.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just me and John working on someone and having conversation about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was just so special for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like everything that I learned from John has been so valuable to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I started to realize that I was doing things in sort of different ways.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was blending different techniques, I was following my intuition, which was leading me down different paths than exactly what I learned in the trainings, which is really John's teaching is always to follow your intuition.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I just became less and less interested in going to those trainings.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: They are typically a large room with 75 to 150 people.
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  SPEAKER_01: MFR1, when I did that, was in New York City and it was like a huge hotel conference room.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Boston.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just, I just, there's kind of this tribe vibe.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's talked about as the MFR tribe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just never actually felt a lot of belonging there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not in the wounded way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just was kind of like, I don't know if this is my tribe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I just had this realization, okay, maybe I'm meant to just teach and have a training in a very different way.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I decided to do that first year, which was two years ago, was I started with a small number, 12 women.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it filled pretty quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then I came up with a second group of 12 women.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the first year I did that, and the 12 women, plus me and Danny, makes it feel really more of a women's circle.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's intimate.
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  SPEAKER_01: We get to know each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have the space to really emote.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have the space to be vulnerable around each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I also really liked having it be women only because so many of the women that I encounter through my work are coming with sexual abuse, sexual assault.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's not to say that they're going to be beautiful, deep healing work with men in the room as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for some women, I think that's actually really important that they have some healing space with men, but it just simplified things for me to just have a women-only space.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will speak that I have absolutely been one of those women that having men in healing spaces has been really transformative for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also there is just something different that happens, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: There's an ability to put down certain masks when it's just people who are women-identifying individuals.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I will say without getting into too much gender conversation, I want people to feel comfortable and in their lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me in this space, I have decided that's a women-only space.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't want to exclude people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to have it be a real big issue.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just men also haven't been that interested in coming to my training.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although now Danny and I are working with a university to break our program there potentially next summer, which would be open to men.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and all genders.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's happening, which is really exciting because I think there is a beautiful possibility there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I work on men in my practice and I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I work with all genders in my practice.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it doesn't, your gender does not matter in general for this kind of work.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's such transformative work for everyone.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so that first year, I just was like, okay, I'm gonna go for it.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I definitely put way too many techniques on the agenda for a three-day in-person training.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I decided I wanted to have this online component as well with more mentorship.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: So that's still how it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are eight months of mentorship.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the trainings are in the spring, a three-day training in person here in Vermont, and then eight months of mentorship where there are two calls a month.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And those calls are really led by the students to come and ask questions about specific techniques, about building their practice, or just business in general, because I have been able to develop a strong bodywork practice with six figures, working 15 hours a week, that sort of thing, being booked out two months, that sort of schedule.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've lived that and I know what that's like and I know how to encourage women on that path or people on that path.
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  SPEAKER_01: But so those mentorship calls, it's also the place where people can process whatever's coming up for them because as you do this work, it brings up your own patterns.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: We've had people in the training that are like having big questions around their relationships or just so many different things, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So many different things that come up to be repatterned.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we also can work on those things on the call.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was really excited to make the program that way because when I would go to these myofascial release trainings, I'd go, I learn a bunch of stuff, then I'd come home and have until I connected with you.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: And there were a few other friends early on, but still, there's no one right in my community that I could just ask a question immediately.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so that has been really important for me is to have them ship.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: That sort of support, right?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because it is different.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: And John would pack so much into a weekend with so many people.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he would say really insightful, beautiful things, but it'd be so easy to lose a lot of the meat of it.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's one really beautiful thing about this these courses, is they're actually also designed well for the body and the nervous system.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: You've thought about slowing things down and taking time so that we're actually learning things, people are learning things in a way that is integrated, that is actually supportive for embodiment and the nervous system, which is what we're doing, what we're here to do.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: So why wouldn't we train, teach, and learn from that place?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was always the thing in the MFR trainings was your seats were really close together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And part of it was to get people agitated.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I agree with that approach.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I like the idea of actually just letting people settle into a space and not purposely trying to agitate them.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And enough comes up already, especially because it is a small group.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think enough, enough comes up.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so exactly.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's a different philosophy.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe theirs was let's pack a lot of people in so it builds the energy, and then there's big movement and release and change.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: And yours is let's actually make it safe and intimate so that people actually feel safe and enough for that big opening catharsis change sort of.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: And the integration piece of it.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think that is a huge piece that, especially in particular, that eight months that you offer, we get that integration.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And John would say that you can only take a client as far as you have gone yourself.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's another thing that I really love and appreciate about this course is it gives that eight months, that time for your own internal processing to have touchstones, to have community, to have support from teachers as you're going and clearing out your own stuff and getting that integration.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: It really I've seen it, I've seen students here just come into their art so fast, so fast.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the thing that I love about working with the fascia and the foundational pieces that we've learned is that it really is, and I think that's how you teach it, is that working with the fascia is an art form when you're doing it in this style.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: And your focus of helping people build their sense of confidence and into intuition and the way that really their specific art of working with the fascia is going to be a little bit different than everyone else's.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Giving space for that makes this a really special, singular class and program.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: And again, what I see in these students is after three days a month, they are boots on the ground ready.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas I remember going through my massage training, and I remember those places of being like, I think I get it, but here we go.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: And luckily, the training that I went through, we actually had to do an extra hundred hours of hands-on.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I remember when I went out into the world and started interviewing time again and time again, people would say, Oh, the people from your school, you may not be as strong in the anatomy, but your comfort with putting your hands on is so much greater because you've had more time and more practice.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I think this program really gives is that intimate setting gives that time for so much more depth of gross knowledge understanding.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I really want to speak to that, that art because that is that's what I've realized.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first year I was, first of all, I was I was a little bit like, oh, am I going to get in trouble from the John Barnes world because I'm teaching and they haven't given me permission.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I was really trying to teach what I learned about fascia and give a lot of credit to John Barnes, who is such a beloved mentor of mine, but also bringing in these other modalities that I'd learned, specifically integrated positional therapy.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've never taught any of the holistic pelvic care from Tammy Kent because she has very strict rules around that and I wouldn't disrespect those.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: But really just bringing in, yeah, really how I use my own intuition now to make these techniques a little bit different.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't quite own that I was teaching my own thing that first year.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was still, I still hadn't really stepped into my power.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: But by the second year, I was like, you know what?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm claiming this as fascia alchemy.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm claiming this as my artistic expression of working with the fascia in a way that is unique to me.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things I learned in the last few years that I just loved was someone told me there are as many types of therapy as there are therapists.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow, that is the most true thing I've ever heard.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's a little bit the problem with all these different schools of teaching.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have this, maybe this trademarked name, even for me with fascia alchemy.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I want to claim that this is fascia alchemy.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was also never, okay, if you come through my school, you have to say that this is what you're doing.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because I recognize that each person who's coming in is already bringing their whole lifetime of experiences, skills, just their innate gifts.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so they're going to come into this work and it's going to flow differently for different people.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: So some people that come are massage therapists that have lots of those technical skills.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Some people coming are there was a woman who came in who had some hypnotherapy training and is like a plant-loving woman.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And she was working on another student, and she was like, wow, as I was sinking into this part of your body, hibiscus came to me.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the woman on the table was like, oh my God, that is like my plant ally.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yes, like you just tuned in a way that no, no one can teach that.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I do try to teach tuning into your intuition, but that is like her own innate skill and her own innate gift and the skills that she's developed.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: And there are just so many different people that come in with their different skills and different gifts.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so I want to encourage them to be able to feel into the fascia and to create their new, their own new art form.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: And if they want to call it fascia alchemy, that's great.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: But like I don't feel the need for ownership over a particular Type of bodywork, a particular modality.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: And there are still techniques that I teach that I will say, this is as best I can remember it of from learning directly from John Barnes, for example.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And there are other techniques where I'm like, eh, this is the way it's taught in MFR, but I do it differently, and this is how I do it.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think it's important to both honor my mentors of people I've learned from, and to just forge ahead.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: When I was so afraid of like getting in trouble from not really from John Barnes, I honestly thought that if I talked with John about it, that he would be like, go ahead, give me his blessing.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: We always had a really sweet relationship.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I know he felt like I was a good therapist because he told me that.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it was more like his organization.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was worried about getting in trouble with them.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then I just got to this point where I was like, John Barnes always talked about how he was a renegade and how he had to forge ahead with his work, despite like all these PTs telling him that he will So, how much are you actually following his legacy?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was just, I do feel like I'm following his legacy.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I just decided, like, you know, even when he would tell his story, you start to realize that everything is evolution.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Everything that we learn is an evolution of the next thing.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: Even what John created was an evolution from a lot of different modalities exactly integrated together.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think at this point, I would like to believe that we are beyond that as a collective, as a society, that we can move beyond this ownership over particular ways that we touch the body to heal.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why should anyone own that?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: As far as I'm concerned, the type of work we're doing, I imagine that is how healers worked way back in the day, before there were any technical modalities, because it literally is putting your hands on the body and learning how to listen to what you hear from your hands.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: That is my biggest focus in this training is helping people to feel those sacred waters of the body, the fascia.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Feel when they're flowing, feel when they're stuck, and feel when they're stuck, and then move to this place of resonance where you can actually feel the pattern shift under your hands.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like the coolest feeling in the world.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I want to just also speak about, like I said, there are people who've had all different types of experience who've come in because I'm teaching in Vermont, and in this state, we don't need a license to touch to do body work.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: I have decided to open this up to people even that don't have a license to touch already.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it is open to people that don't have experience with body work.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that there is a benefit to having people in the room who are experienced and people who are new, because just because someone's new to something doesn't mean they're not going to get it as quickly.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's easier for them.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: And exactly.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: I was about to say, I have seen this with other practitioners where if you have been doing a certain modality for many decades, you may come in with a sense of I know what I'm doing and a sense of rigidity, maybe.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it may be a little hard to actually pull down those barriers of getting back into beginner's mind.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: And beginner's mind is really important in us, particularly in this sort of modality, like you're saying, because it is so much about getting quiet, settling in, and waiting and feeling.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think what comes to mind for me, there have been a handful of women who have come in without experience.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: But when I think of someone like Heather, for example, Heather McMillan, she's in Canada and she was a sourdough bread baker.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: She had a college degree in kinesiology, but had never done any bodywork.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: And in the course of the first year in the training, she closed her sourdough bread business and started a bodywork practice.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: And now, as she just reported a few days ago, she has her own office space now that she's using.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: She doubled her bookings for the month of October.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Just when she decided she wanted to put more energy into it, she did it.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And she's got a really solid practice going.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: And she started with no bodywork experience.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I just love that so much.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: It just, I think it's important that it not be closed to people that don't have the experience because honestly, some women who have come who haven't had the experience have then decided, depending on where they live and what the laws are, they've decided to then go and become a massage therapist.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: So they do have that license to touch.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: There are ways around some of that legality.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's something that people ask me about a lot.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's something I'm still learning about, but there are ways to get out of the system.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just depends on your own level of comfort with those sorts of things, obviously.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: How much you want to be a renegade or not?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: How much you want to be a renegade.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly it.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that some of the other questions that people ask, sometimes people are coming from experience with myofascial release, for example, and they're like, Am I gonna learn anything new?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, it's up to you whether you take this in and learn it in a new way, because I'm definitely not teaching the exact same things that you're gonna learn in any MFR classes at this point.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: And like you said, there is also positional therapy release that is taught.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's also just some principles that are a little more osteopathic that when we talked about them, it's really been a big aha for me in working, particularly with myself and other people who have hypermobility.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there are there are definitely other pieces of, I feel, deeper understandings of like some foundational principles.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what I am enjoying focusing on so much is the foundational principles as opposed to the anatomy.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's probably something I should mention because when I went to one of these skill enhancement seminars with John Barnes, and one of my goals was to learn my anatomy better.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Since massage school, I just I learned anatomy, but it wasn't a super strong area for me.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, let go of that.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's just let go of it entirely.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that was actually at the beginning of my journey in myofascial release, so nearly 15 years ago.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then I just I did, I let go of it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: I've obviously learned more anatomy over the years because when you're working with the body, you just people come in and they've had a certain injury or whatever, and you just you naturally learn more, but I've never spent a lot of time focusing on that.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the first year I was running the program, I was thinking, like, oh, should I really can I legitimately run a training where I don't teach anatomy?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, you know what?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: There are so many ways that people get held back by learning anatomy.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Either they don't believe it's possible for them, so they don't even try because they don't want to learn the anatomy, or they get so focused on the individual parts that they lose sense of the whole.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: And beyond that, I think one of my skills now, especially in developing my psychic abilities and developing my intuition, is actually to just work with that, the unseen, work with the work with what's not right in front of me and solid, but actually in the field.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that by not focusing too much on the anatomy, I can actually just read the energy so much more clearly.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I can feel into those connections in the body without specifically thinking, oh, I'm working on this muscle and it has this attachment point.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it just says it's limiting, it's really limiting.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm actually surprised at how much some body work trainings focus on anatomy.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I understand why they do, because that's like what our whole medical model is built on.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: But and certainly like certain medical roles, like being a midwife or being a doctor, like being a surgeon.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, you have to do that.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: You want to know those things.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: You want to know the anatomy.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to have any question about that.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: But for working hands-on with the body, I just think that there are like you do need to know some anatomy, but you don't need to focus on it so much that you're in your analytical brain all the time and not able to just really tap into that intuitive side.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: We were saying earlier that it's a roadmap, right?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Anatomy, but anatomy teaches in a linear fashion.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know any human being whose experience in their body is linear.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: We are not actually machines.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: There are elements of mechanical, there are mechanical elements to our being, but this work in particular for me as well, the reason that makes it interesting and engaging is that we're not just we're not just engaging with the physicality and this linear concept of the body, which if you get into fascia, this this form of working with the fascia, you pretty quickly realize that's actually not how most of our bodies are composed in this structural, very linear, top-down sort of model.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: It can be an okay roadmap, but it is limited if that's where you stay.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even as far as the different ways people learn about fashion, I'm thinking about the book Anatomy Trains from Tom Myers.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I've never even looked at it closely because I'll have people be like, oh, this is the back chain and it goes from this point to this point.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, it honestly doesn't matter.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I have my hands on someone's body, what needs to release will be released.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And me thinking about like how this chain of fascia runs, instead of just realizing that it is running through and between every single cell, and we each have have our own entire lifetime of experiences that our body is holding.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Truly, like I was just saying to Danny before we started recording that I had this experience of hurting my neck a few days ago.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And as I was unwinding over the course of the last couple of days, I had an experience come up of doing a backhand spring and landing wrong.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I had an experience coming up of being two years old and jumping off a bunk bed and breaking my wrist.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why there are no specific protocols.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because if someone went to work with my neck, the so, yes, I have the same muscles in my neck as someone else.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we could have the same anatomy, but we don't have the same experience in our body.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have, no one else has that exact same same bracing pattern from these sorts of injuries, and not to mention the emotional bracing.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's just so much there.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's so vast.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so I love the idea of just, and it can be challenging for the students to be like, wait, we really we're when we touch on the body, we're touching the whole body.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yes, you are.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: But once you feel it, once you feel a release, it's so cool.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: And you were sharing that just getting body works yesterday, it was actually the work on your legs that started shifting things most significantly within your neck.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: And exactly, I get it, been there.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Still at times, again, I love this work because I still am surprised over and over again that you can be working on someone's pulling someone's left ear, and all of a sudden they'll be like, that pain in my right foot that hasn't gone away in two months, all of a sudden has dissolved.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's so cool.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't open yourself up to the art of this, that I don't know, let me be in active wonder and engagement with the body that's in front of me instead of, oh, this means this connection.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: You lose so much potential, yeah, by staying in that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: This is always connected to that.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've had a couple epiphanies recently, mostly working on my older daughter, but of just like how I'm molding her body and helping it find these shapes and the the water, which is really this liquid crystal, it's more of a gel state.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm helping that gel come into alignment so that all the bones can float in alignment.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it's just so cool.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I told Danny, I've been playing with my daughter's Nito, which if some people listening have kids, you might know what a Nito is, but it's like this gooey block that's a toy that's popular right now.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And really, it's the sinking in, the slow sinking in, the stillness, the clearing our own channel so that we can really hear what's going on in the person's body on the table.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: That is just, it's hard for me to put into words just how magical it is.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then there's also all the structural work we do too.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we definitely talk a lot about pelvic anatomy because we work on aligning the bony pelvis.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I have just not found another form of body work that does as well at aligning the pelvis as the way I learned to do that from John Barnes.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: And the way I teach it is simpler and less less complex because I've just found the things that have worked for me over the years, but I truly can't believe how few body work practic body workers work on aligning the bony pelvis.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's all this work around abdominal massage and pelvic care, but not really actually getting the bones aligned.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that's really missing.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because I just want to bring in this one piece because I've been doing this work for almost 10 years, and I just took John at his word that the pelvis is the foundation of the body.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: If it's out of alignment, everything above and below the chain is out of alignment.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: But I've had other people say, no, you start at the feet, and that could be true too.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I had this aha moment in a contact improv class a few weeks ago, which is a form of dance.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: And they said, your center of gravity is your pelvis, is in your pelvis.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a little bit higher, it's a little bit lower, depending on how your pelvis is shaped.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: But then I did the test, right?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: What is it like to pull yourself off gravity from your shoulders or from your foot?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: And what is it like to pull yourself off gravity from your pelvis?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: It really is significant how much has to adapt and change and compensate.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's the word I'm looking for, when it is your pelvis that you pull out of alignment and off-center.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: So that was just years and years into this work, you still get so many beautiful aha moments.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: And that to me was just a very embodied reminder of yes, when this is out, everything else is having to move and shift and adapt in gravity to try and just keep us upright.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: And just the connections between the pelvis and other parts of the body as well.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was working this morning on a friend's daughter who has a diagnosis of scoliosis and is about to get a brace.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it was working with around the psoas.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: But again, like when I say I'm working on the psoas, it's like I'm working on the whole structure, but at the point of the psoas muscle, it was that really opened up her shoulders and her ribs.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like we just, yeah, again, it's that, it's the overthinking.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And this is, I would say the program is most challenging for the people that really are more in their analytic analytical brain most of the time.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Although I am thinking of Adelaide.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been there, I'm a recovering hyper analytical person.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking about Adelaide Biggs of Faith in the Body who came in.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: She's so amazing.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Also, one of her now one of her traders, Eliza was in the school or in our training last year.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Both of them so analytical, had so many beautiful things to bring to the conversation and could speak to the challenges of shifting into their intuitive brain.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: But they were both amazing at just being able to feel.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not that we, it's not that there's no place for the analyzing.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that we need to be able to shift back and forth.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so many people are so much in that analytical part of their brain.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because our culture really emphasizes that and gives a high value to that.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: That very, I'm speaking from an energetic place, very masculine form of being in the world from the intellect and this linear, dissected sort of concept.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm trying I'm remembering now that our in our April group, those women from up north were speaking about, they were speaking about this body work and the masculine and feminine, how like the stillness of this work, but like also the structure that it provided was this beautiful blend of the masculine and feminine.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was really cool.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I will say that I think you and I are we complement each other really well.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not exactly sure why that is, but I know it's true.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any awareness for a little bit?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think that you are just a very natural teacher.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that I would say I think I bring a little bit more masculine in.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think like I am good at filling in some of the questions or the answers or giving kind of like a different frame, like saying the same thing, but with just a slightly different framework that we want everyone to walk away having understood it.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes we all learn differently.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: So there are different ways it needs to sometimes be presented.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: So like from different angles to be able to integrate it, understand it.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you and I both also have our own unique lifetime of experiences and can support people in different ways, which I think is really valuable at this point.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm yeah, it's not that I I still have surprising moments where people come in and I'm like, wow, I can't believe that their body has had to hold whatever this was.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I also feel like I've seen a lot at this point.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just always so fascinating to me.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: I really do find myself wanting to encourage young people to explore this as a career because I'm like, you can make good money and have so much fulfillment.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: For me, that's the bigger piece, right?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is just the like the breach baby who flipped, or after one session, just the things like that, or the person telling me that they can finally have sex again for the first time, or those sorts of things are like so powerful.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just taught an in-person pelvic alignment course, and one person came and I taught them like how to look at their pelvis.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I we did two, three, we did three things.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the people came back, everyone came back and said something.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the people in particular came back and said, wow, I usually can't do more sit on the floor for more than 30 seconds.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: And after sitting in the wooden chairs with my children at my kitchen table, two minutes, and she was like, I sit on the floor now with no pain.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not complaining to my children after two minutes sitting in these chairs, and that's it.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like an hour and a half of her learning six things.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: And so cool.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: It can be that significant, that shift.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I will just say that's one thing I'm thinking about is the fact that I really feel like three days for level one in a lot of ways is not enough.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: And yet I really wanted this class to be accessible to lots of different types of people, but especially I was had a six-month-old the first time I taught it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, I need to be able to nurse before class, at lunchtime, and after class.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I there were so many women who were interested and had a breastfeeding baby or kids, and really you couldn't get away for a full week or two weeks, or I know there are different ways that other programs run, but that level of immersion was just not accessible to a lot of people.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: So having women come all the way from Washington State or California, or I had a pregnant woman come from Scotland with her 18-month-old.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: She was pregnant with twins and didn't even realize it until 36 weeks and came for my training.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is important for me that it's accessible to mothers, especially, but just to anyone.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the way I have the program set up is that I have this three-day level one training, and then we do a level two training, which has more focus on cranial work and also internal pelvic work.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that's also not words that I am comfortable teaching unless I've actually met you, felt your energy, felt what your intentions are, your skills.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's why that's offered at a separate time, usually in the fall, a level two training.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: So even though for some people, logistically it might make more sense to come for one whole week or something like that, for so many people that that have families or have responsibilities, getting away for three days is enough.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also a lot for the body to learn and to hold.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I know when I did longer MFR trainings, there were times I would do the whole series, which was like nine days.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: And my initial one I did all three, and I did all nine days.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: By the end of it, it's like I couldn't remember a bunch of the things I was in a major healing crisis and I think I took away 30% of the techniques.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's been also that's been beautiful for me to witness that people can come for this three-day training and they can leave here.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: And because we focus so much on the principles that really run underneath everything we do, so that you could show up and to a new person's body and you just know what to do.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you can leave this three day training and have all the skills you need to start a bodywork practice.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can walk away feeling competent putting your hands on and there, I have I think multiple testimonials on the page about fascia alchemy.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Of women saying that, that they were surprised that from three days that they got enough, but that they absolutely did.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, and then you just get hungry for more and want to come back to learn more.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: So just to share a little bit more about next year's program, we're doing two three-day in-person trainings in Vermont in my office.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: For level one.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: For level one.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: So there'll be two separate level ones.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, two separate cohorts.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: One is April 9th through 11th, and the other is May 1st through 3rd.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: We have a few meetings online before that to get to know each other and to teach the basics of basics about fascia, really, and the techniques that I'm teaching.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: All the techniques that I teach are in person, but just kind of the basics of how to approach the body.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have the eight months of mentorship calls two times a month from May to December.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: And what I do love about those mentorship calls is really that there is this kind of one-on-one mentorship.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: So each person is able to come onto the call, say whatever's coming up for them.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Often it's, I'm just thinking of one of our last calls, it's there can be a combination of different topics explored.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: And usually it's helpful for everyone to hear because some women are coming on and they're asking about a technique, and then we can workshop that.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Some women are coming on and asking about more specifics of like, how do I incorporate this with massage or they have a particular kind of client case study?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: And do I have any ideas for that?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Which I will never just say these are the techniques to do, but I will help them to think through how they might approach it intuitively.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then questions around their business about building their in-person practice and even some support for online courses that they want to offer and things like that.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so these happen in Rutland, Vermont.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we they're limited to 14, but I think we'll be at 12 for both of them.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's 18 hours of training and bodywork experience.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you also have access to my entire library of self-care and parent fascia, parent fascia classes.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: So my infant fascia care and fascia care for kids, so that you can learn how to do that work with small people if you want.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing that you have access to is a library of business training classes.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: So these talk about how to be a leader in your sessions.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: They talk about setting your rates, things like that, marketing, those sorts of things.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then you get a training manual when you come.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the basics.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to be a body worker or healthcare professional already, but we love that too.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know for this 2027 group, we already have a couple midwives and a massage therapist.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: And in Vermont, there are grants that people are able to access.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that's an extra special bonus for people that live in Vermont and a little harder for people that don't live in Vermont.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: But we I do have payment plans set up and yeah, try to make it accessible for people to join.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have any questions at all, you absolutely can just reach out to me.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I just want you to know that there is a way that you can learn how to work with the body and feel really fulfilled and lit up by the work you do and never tire of it.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like Danny was saying, I never get bored with this kind of work.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love it so much.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've been able to build a really successful business.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: Fascial work is so in demand that I'm getting new clients all the time.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's a hot topic in the last five years.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: The stuff that John has been had been talking about for 60 plus years, science is finally actually corroborating all of that.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a very new popular, it's in the zeitgeist.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just remembering from one of the trainings, a woman at the end just saying, this was like a remembering.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that's really what I find is that it is a way for us to work with our hands and touch another human and really help to help them to heal themselves, help them to shift their own energy.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I was receiving bodywork glass, it's like I was actually, my body was doing everything it needed to release.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: The practitioner really just becomes this sort of conduit for that to happen.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you almost have to be a little less active than in other types of bodywork because it's not like, oh, I'm doing this thing to this body.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I'm going to be here and hold this body and let this body do what it needs to do to release.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's much more relational.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: And actually, this goes back to when I was talking about my interest in herbs and herbalism was this sense of autonomy and sense of strengthening of self and independence.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: And that is what I love about this work is that it is in relationship, it is engaging, you're engaged with the client.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: And ultimately, it's about supporting them and building their own body autonomy there and supporting them in their process of healing.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's very deep, it's profound, and it keeps going all the way down, deeper and deeper.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're interested in becoming a practitioner who can trust your own hands, trust your body, trust your intuition.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: And if you hear this as you're calling right now, if you're feeling this in your heart space or your womb or wherever you tune in to your intuition, please reach out.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: We will be filling these trainings probably pretty soon.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so excited for the next group of women because really we've had 50 women and they have all been absolutely extraordinary.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that was one thing we actually didn't speak to is the degree of community and connection that happens between these groups is really gorgeous to see the synergy of the way that they come together and support and the bonds that they create are also just chef's kiss and pull it as well.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so nice.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: I feel so blessed and honored, and I'm very grateful to you, Danny.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: Same for being my co-pilot in all of this.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I will ask the one last question that we usually ask for these homestead and heel podcasts, which is there any advice that you wish you would have gotten earlier on your body work path?
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow, that is such a great question.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think the one thing that really helps me so much when someone told me it when I started this journey was when you look at a body, what is the first thing you notice?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Love that.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we do so much with assessment and really noticing.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you'll join us.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you, Danny, and thank you for listening.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 51:09
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• 51:12
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• 51:17
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• 51:22
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