Latest / Saints Block Party Podcast / Prospect of the Week - Ohio State WR Carnell Tate

Transcript

Prospect of the Week - Ohio State WR Carnell Tate · Saints Block Party Podcast

0:00
[SPEAKER_01]: hashtag no music no intro we are back.
0:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It is another addition of Saints Block Party podcast presented brought to you by precious works L.O.C.
0:12
[SPEAKER_01]: shout out to our dude, Bizarre and hook up with precious works L.O.C.
0:16
[SPEAKER_01]: to get all your business website needs and it is that time again for another addition of
0:24
[SPEAKER_01]: weekly prospect of the week episode.
0:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you potentially are watching this or listen into this early, you are getting the or two week early window, or you might be or you might be listening and you're watching this later after it's dropped after the window.
0:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is time for us to discuss and talk about white receiver Ohio State, where I receive her
0:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But for we, we dive into that and this is this is the stuff that stays Patreon only stays YouTube member only.
1:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna be, that's gonna be cut out and won't be in the condensed version that's gonna be released to the public.
1:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to kind of, you know, just get your sense on this in terms of there's, you know, maybe something that the things may do in true agency in terms of,
1:19
[SPEAKER_02]: some scottled, but Brandon still got hired like, I don't even think he was hired yet.
1:24
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, no, because I tell them more wouldn't even truly hard yet at this point.
1:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And Brandon Staley took a while to get hired after killing got on.
1:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So think about like just putting together your defense.
1:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't want to change the sense of cash trap.
1:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, Brandon, this is not Brandon Staley's defense yet.
1:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm saying like, this is, him making most of what he can with what he has.
1:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we should, you know, definitely,
1:50
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's somebody like he looks at like they said with him and he's like, is this somebody we can add to the difference that you could use and would, you know, elevate what you're trying to do and he says, yes, like, that's a mile.
2:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Go for it, you know.
2:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Idiot.
2:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard L T.
2:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Carnal tape.
2:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Before we do like the deep dive on Carnal tape, we already talked about one receiver.
2:11
[SPEAKER_01]: The first person we talked about when we started this prospect of the week, or sparked with the week series with a Jordan Tyson and why receiver.
2:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on a state and then we tweaked this series as we go on and especially kind of talking about the baseline with the drive history and what have you.
2:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't do this when we started the series but we started implementing it going forward
2:34
[SPEAKER_01]: of their their interest in tech and their interest in Isaac Tesla.
2:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was a calendar or a Jeff thing or a collaboration thing but there was this interest of like big like tech and and Tesla are bigger or like like big receivers and Tesla was is and was big and
3:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I was watching Tate this past week, I just kept thinking, man, the fit of him in this Saint's offense made so much sense to me.
3:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just felt like just a perfect fit in terms of what he brought.
3:30
[SPEAKER_01]: especially when you add that piece of a valet into the mix because was very interesting when watching watching him because there wasn't a whole bunch of all 22 of him but watching him in 2025 his role and what Ohio State asked him to do in 2025s and then watching him in 2024.
4:00
[SPEAKER_01]: very different.
4:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he and it shows like how versatile and how exactly is.
4:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, he got the whole toolbox like he actually is a well-rounded receiver.
4:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't a knock on dirt and Tyson, but like they're completely different.
4:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I want, I'm glad you said that because after watching T is like, I felt like joined Tyson went down a few notches just in my mind.
4:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't
4:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So since we did his study and maybe, you know, just kind of like, recency by a script name, but just in my mind, I feel like, man, this is different.
4:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, it just felt like, it wasn't feeling what you brought to us.
4:44
[SPEAKER_01]: No, bro, it was, I don't even think it's the, I don't think it's the, the layoff.
4:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it was just different, bro.
4:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, his route running of how he got open on the deep balls in 2025.
5:00
[SPEAKER_01]: and all those deep balls like he had to wait on on saying like he was open he was open bro he had to wait he waited the ball got to track them and still scored touchdowns off like bro this this is the dog right bro I'm just saying saying it was for them like they look at me and I mean bro
5:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to get here eventually.
5:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I grew with you a hundred percent in terms of like the hierarchy like hate to me is quite a few not and I felt I felt this I felt like that watching it during the season but like really really watching the tape it feels pretty obvious to me.
5:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the what I will give the edge to Jordan Tyson about is the
5:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the ability of like the right after catch like he becomes a running back after the ball and I do think that's a tremendous trait that the state's offense desperately desperately needs, but in terms of just a complete receiver just going Yeah, receiver.
6:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like Tate has him be.
6:12
[SPEAKER_01]: by quite a few, by quite an end.
6:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got the one the fact that Tate is just healthy, like he's just healthy, bro.
6:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Healthy, bro, productive, played at the same school for a couple of years.
6:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It just looks like a wire receiver.
6:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I noticed a simplistic thing to say, but he just looks like an NFL wire receiver just when you watch it play.
6:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fit, like you said, the fit in what killing more lives to do, the side line stuff, the crosses, the, just, just when you, when you envision him in killing more offense and the dynamic that it's currently missing, that it is in like this, this fits like a big puzzle piece, like a big,
6:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a puzzle just like boom, that just fits right in and you know they're going to tile a chuck in the way he likes to throw and put the ball in the different areas and stuff like that like he's like oh okay this this right here could work like this could work especially considering he's doing how interested there was in tech last year even though they've been you know kind of
7:19
[SPEAKER_02]: different players they're kind of same to is these are kind of big, movable test pieces on the office that can you know do the sideline catches it and you can get down feel that can do some of the intermediate stuff um to fact the day one it took badly last year tells me that
7:38
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna be looking hard.
7:39
[SPEAKER_02]: They're at least gonna be looking hard.
7:40
[SPEAKER_02]: They take, ain't gonna be looking hard at him.
7:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I was told, and I'm gonna preface this by saying, I don't know what it means in terms of how they feel about him.
7:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw him throwing that out there.
7:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was told that he is one of the players that at least up to a certain point, to my recently, that they have invested some of the most scouting into.
8:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, in terms of existence.
8:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in terms of just investing like something like that, you know, obviously that means like, you know, that doesn't mean that that's not going to change like they're going to invest more in the state is a high team that states of it.
8:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Amazing success.
8:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, drafted from.
8:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like come on like they probably got a little side off his Up there.
8:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is taste when the skulls just come dirty?
8:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's up there.
8:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm saying I'm joking I'm serious out there like a little side off his brain
8:36
[SPEAKER_01]: one just one one thing while watching tea there were I forgot I think it was I think it was a Penn State game bro.
8:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one play that Jeremiah Smith made in that game That day.
8:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one thing by watching tea.
8:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like That nigga.
8:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I bruh.
8:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It is not it's like not a knock on tea.
8:55
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because not a knock But it's like they just don't watch it Jeremiah Smith like God
9:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm like, this is, I'm just different, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right
9:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an interesting player to watch, especially watching him in 2012 and then watching him in 2024 because there were, like, I won't say, there was like, plays, like, there was like moments where like nothing was happening and that's just how we were receivers.
9:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But shout out to men home and like, sit there right.
9:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to every route of, like, where,
9:49
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless you, bro.
9:50
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless you, bro.
9:52
[SPEAKER_01]: One, let me, let me check with the chat real quick.
9:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark said, past that time, Brady, and still went out and get and got him Randy Moss.
10:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's, thank you.
10:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Tyler also said, Tate always been why receiver won for me.
10:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's been, he's been the same for me, but this is a play I saw early, early, early,
10:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And this again, for our prospect of the week episodes, this is like what like watching these episodes where there'd be on Patreon.com or on YouTube for YouTube members and set a listening, really enhances the experience.
10:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when we release these, the condescense episodes, we take the video, upset was out to avoid being demonetized.
10:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was watching this early in the Penn State game.
10:45
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know where he was on that progression, but like he would've got open there could have been like a big deep, you know, deep shot play touchdown really right and that's what he could do like taking taking it open at any point in the field, but I will say
11:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's I wouldn't even call this a negative, but just the type of play is since he's a taller player, he's not the quickest off the snap.
11:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
11:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not like he's he's I think he's going to test well as far as like his speed.
11:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's going to be in the full full range.
11:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think his like 10 yards aren't going to be like outstanding because he's a he's a build up speed kind of guy.
11:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, kind of like a
11:31
[SPEAKER_02]: like a long strider.
11:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think in the intermediate, when you watch them in the intermediate, most of those tend to be more contested, catches, they do kind of clothe.
11:45
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you see him run those rocks like we just saw and get downfield, he's blowing past people, you know what I'm saying?
11:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's one of those things where he's kind of, he's kind of faster than you think.
11:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's just, the way his B works is just different.
11:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like zero to 60 into seconds.
12:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more of a build of speed type of thing.
12:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's two, and I try, it's, I'm not trying to be lazy, but there's two players that he reminds me of.
12:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That, this is one.
12:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm just showing you the measurements.
12:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you guess who this player is?
12:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Both leads players play it at Ohio State and Michael Times.
12:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's how he does rub it Michael Times is a lot of ways, but yeah, which we had the fact that I first like when I first put my eyes on like very first time I put my eyes on tea I just pass and watch me just a couple highlights back and you know, let's go
12:47
[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing came in my mind was Michael Thomas.
12:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I watched more, and I kind of came off of it, but he was somebody that was like, kind of a little Michael Thompson, you know?
12:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
12:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like the other player that I feel like the more confident of who he plays like to me, to me.
13:15
[SPEAKER_01]: also plays played at Ohio State.
13:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know cause you scared Terry.
13:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Scary Terry, bro.
13:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just, they, they played buried in, which is interesting cause I didn't realize that Terry McClore and there's like six foot and Cardo tastes like six three or what was the how tall he actually is.
13:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he'll be similar to my time to skate.
13:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Like my time is,
13:43
[SPEAKER_02]: My time is just about six, I think he's gonna be like in a six-twish to six-three-ish kind of hilarious.
13:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The 40's gonna be, the 40's gonna be, the 40's gonna be interesting.
13:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Only in the sense of how, like, when you watch him on the deeper routes of how, how open he gets on those deeper routes, some of it, some of it's just route running, like some of it's just his route running, so good and how he gets open, but some of it, like,
14:12
[SPEAKER_01]: is he's a technician in terms of his route running, but also someone just like, he has like legit deep speed.
14:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's a, yeah, he's like a, he's a kind of like a gazelle in terms of like how he's getting open.
14:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he'll probably get a four, like probably like a four four in that range, but I know it sounds crazy, but like it wouldn't super shock me if he got like a high four three.
14:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it wouldn't shock me.
14:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's try that out.
14:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I've just feel like if you add this piece, he catches the ball well, and again, there wasn't like a whole bunch of all 22 in that range of
14:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We know watching him work the middle, work the intermediate.
14:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you put on the, if you put on him in 2024, like you said, how Chip Kelly used him, it like that was how he was used a lot because the way it really seemed as like Chip Kelly really used Jeremiah Smith and Ameka Booga or Ameka Booga, however he's pronounced, really kind of to stretch the field, kind of deeper down the field.
15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you had,
15:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Carnell Tate really worked the middle of the field like that was essentially like his job and responsibility when then when the book goes and gets drafted and then the office coordinator changes that his role change and so this pasties in at Ohio State his function and the offense really it really was more deeper deeper down the field like he did a lot of the damage
15:53
[SPEAKER_02]: that included 2024 and 2024 and 12025 clip.
16:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And you could just, you could see the difference.
16:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, this is against Texas 2024.
16:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch this route.
16:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He's scrubbed.
16:09
[SPEAKER_02]: He's at the top.
16:13
[SPEAKER_02]: How many times have you seen the same run this?
16:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't make the top.
16:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially the killer, a billion times.
16:19
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of times they run it with Crystal Lava, who does it well?
16:22
[SPEAKER_02]: But think of somebody with the size of tape doing that.
16:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know Chuck can hit these throws like beautiful.
16:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he makes these throws.
16:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom, that's just beautiful.
16:34
[SPEAKER_02]: From the footwork to keep his both feet in, both feet in, bro, like that right there is just beautiful.
16:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And this one right here, this is, oh my God, it's like, I love this.
16:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Pause it right quick.
16:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the inside man on the three receiver side at the bottom, but he's on the inside.
16:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And Chip Keller was cooking, right?
16:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what happened with the raiders.
16:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was cooking.
17:00
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the two inside man take the routes inside, and then take, he's going to take it.
17:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Outside, which puts the defense in the bind.
17:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Like just the type of stuff,
17:15
[SPEAKER_02]: You could this like when I saw this after watching the 245 something I went back and watched this it showed me like okay he has a repertoire like he Yes, he understands like the zones and the and the just the feel of a defense and with a move and how the time it and stuff like that.
17:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You go ahead and play it.
17:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Boom boom breaks it out.
17:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what I was just that stuff coming to run right now right now when I was watching the 2024 stuff, I was like Ohio State had Jeremiah Smith Carnotate, Imica Buca, Dutch Reborn
18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, um, one, um, and in terms of like, you know, completing like the, the scouting, scouting and poor frame as a player, um, has good hands, one thing I will say, like, in terms of the thing, like, sometimes on the deeper balls, he likes to let the ball come into his chest at a like, which is interesting, because like,
18:40
[SPEAKER_01]: in the middle of the field on intermediate routes he's a very strong hand catcher.
18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He did like he did let one, he did drop one against tactics in 2024.
18:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, wide open in the end zone.
18:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost all of them drop one, but on a couple of ones on deeper passes and he didn't let it affect him.
19:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But a couple more people once he did like let it come into this chess, but he ended up making those catches.
19:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's something, you know, when you get to the NFL, going to get better.
19:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not like, he has these like a bad like balls guy.
19:15
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't drop a lot of balls and I'm like that, but it's just he right.
19:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if they are times where he did let it cup it to his chest, or he didn't attack the ball correctly on some of those
19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like we didn't have the all 22 versus Minnesota, but boy, you told him.
19:31
[SPEAKER_02]: He told me.
19:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's on YouTube.
19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't have the all 22 out of it.
19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you go and just pull it up on YouTube.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
19:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, another thing that I like, I like that.
19:45
[SPEAKER_02]: If you like looking something, if I don't have it right here, but like some of his game, the game stats.
19:50
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
19:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people are looking at it like, okay, you did great against weak competition.
19:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I look at it like, you're just supposed to, like, you go against dominate, dominate.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Men, that's what he did, like, that's what he did and you got to understand.
20:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He was, he was just why I received a tour of that team because Jeremiah Smith.
20:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not going to have the 12, 13, 100 yards, like Jeremiah Smith got, but I do, when I watch him, I do feel like there's a particular, like if you know, if God forbid, Jared Smith got hurt and this games, I don't think they would have skipped a beat as far as productive, right, a productive standpoint because I think he just, I think he has all the tools in his belt, man.
20:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, and when you look at the teams, like he, he's just a big time player and he took such a big leap from where he was at the sophomore tour, like his play as a junior, even with Jeremiah Stiff Smith's still being on the team and his, his game grew as a player and I just feel like not saying Chris a lot, like,
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He brings this element of like this dog a tenacity that the white receiver room feels like it desperately needs that could benefit like he has like this this dog it toughness to him.
21:17
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to lay in the slot or Chris will live in the slot and then put the lead in the Z Lee and you know and get to go to wine out there or whatever or maybe another tight in and you know maybe draft the running back like later that cause you know catch some pants like bruh like that then you you cooking with cans boy like then you got something for you youngish rookie I mean second year quarterback
21:45
[SPEAKER_02]: who could put the ball anywhere in the field.
21:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like, we've talked about this on a podcast with a couple weeks ago, but it's not lost on me that in an interview or when talk, I think it was Downs Brothers podcast.
21:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he mentioned, like he wouldn't mind catching passes from Tyler's shop.
22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is not, that is not a small thing.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is not a small thing.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: How quickly things have turned change.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I'm going to, so this is, so this is from the Texas game that they played, the open the season.
22:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, Chris said,
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a classic really high floor, but low ceiling guy.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He screens consisted 1100 to 1200, yard eight to 10 touchdown guy.
22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know if he hits the classic 15 to 1600 yard guy, but he's a perfect fit with the lobby.
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know, you can even do that.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool, so.
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, can we do that, she?
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that describe, so I wanted to pull up the just to see,
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Where, just to get like a range of where he could go.
23:08
[SPEAKER_02]: The tournament is back, the upsets are inevitable.
23:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Underdog is the best place to get in on all the action.
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: This week on Underdog, I'm looking at Duke versus Saints and selecting Catenboser for higher than 1-3.0.
23:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Download the app today and use promo code, Black Party, to score $50 in bonus entries when you play the first $5.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: That's promo code, Black Party.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Underdog make picks win money must be 18 plus 19 plus in Alabama and Nebraska 19 plus in Colorado for some games 21 plus in Arizona Massachusetts and Virginia and present in a state where underdog fantasy operates terms apply see assets dot underdog fantasy dot com forward slash web forward slash play and get terms underscored DFS underscored dot html for details offer not ballot in Maryland Michigan Ohio and Pennsylvania
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: concern with your play, call 1-800-Gampler, or visit www.ncpgambling.org in New York, called the 24-7 Hopeline at 1-877-8 Hop N-Y or text Hop N-Y 467-369.
24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So, when I look at teams that potentially could draft Cardinal tape, the teams that make the most like the team that screams the most to me is like five
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: to the giants.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like when I see like four, I could Tennessee could do it, but I really think they may either go Ola to protect Cam Ward or I could defend to the end because of Robert's dollar.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so much six to Cleveland.
24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just see them going online.
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I just couldn't see them going
24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And then seven to Washington, I just couldn't see that.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just see them going either defense.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see Washington going defense or during my love before they go Carnell Tate.
25:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just, I could see Carnell Tate being there at eight.
25:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I could.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the only teams like I could really see him being drafted ahead of the Saints at five to the Giants.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I really do think he I think there's a high chance that he'll be there And he would kick he would be the you would kick off the Right-know-wire secrets, you know because Then after him, you know would be you know Tyson depending like he goes and lemon You know to pick it out, you know teams of a way with him It's called this call it would be fascinating, bro, but it's especially bad like
25:47
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to our cloud later, but that's tough to pass on.
25:52
[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at it, not only him as a talent and how he fits with what it is saying to the lead brother from a new standpoint, from an offensive schematic standpoint, it just would just complete the offensive my opinion from a past game perspective and
26:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
26:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
26:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you play my clip, I got to clip from the Penn State game.
26:22
[SPEAKER_02]: That's another one that shows, like his dial field, ability, something very interesting.
26:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to show it on like, pitch, it's two in that.
26:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he does a good job in press.
26:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Has a great field for his own.
26:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, he could tell he's smart.
26:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I was said it was so important to go back to 2024.
26:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Chip Kelly because he asked them to run like real smart routes in three defenses as you running around some stuff like that.
26:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So that showed me a lot like he's not just like a guy you put on X and just run down field.
26:53
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a guy.
26:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You could ask to move around and do some things.
26:57
[SPEAKER_02]: His only not I would say is if you watch him on some of those like jet sweeps and kind of like
27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Not his game.
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not breaking, he's not breaking a bunch of tag like he's tough.
27:09
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to try to get what he can but he's not going to make four guys miss in the back field and do all that type of stuff.
27:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just, that's just not who he is.
27:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the only thing that I see was not a part of his game.
27:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's fine to me.
27:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Like because we got, we got those, some of those guys.
27:24
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Crystal Live.
27:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got, you know, some guys that could do that.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But take, he gives you everything else.
27:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything the same has really been missing.
27:33
[SPEAKER_02]: He gives you.
27:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think I'll do the fun, that goes, this tracks the ball so well, so well, so well, and I don't think we have to do, like we'll do our Malachi lemon prospect of the week, but
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's gonna be, I don't say it's probably gonna be hard for someone to knock off tape as my one of the super one in this class.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, just like, just like, it's the, it's the, it's the size, it's everything like he and I'm not, and I also have to like, what I've had to learn in terms of what, in drafting why receivers top 10 is kind of rude this stigma of,
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: a very like a Ryroceever being drafted top 10 has to look like AJ Green.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to look like Jamar Chase.
28:30
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to look like what have you because that's what kind of what we grew up on right of like what a top 10 a top 10 drafted Ryroceever looked like Julio Jones like Jeremiah Smith is a top three overall drap pit right that is clearest day.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Even I would say
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: from two years ago, when you had Malik neighbors, when you had Roma doomsday, when you had Marba Harris and Junior, I think even those white receivers are probably more prototypical of what you kind of think about a quote unquote, even though Roma do they got back to later, like a top 10 white receiver quote unquote.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Serial type, it's kind of been like this
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it can look different, right?
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But also I think what's important in this conversation specifically for the Saints is the fit is that Carnotate at a would fit perfectly into the Saints, into the offense, he would fit perfectly in terms of growing
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: being able to put defenses and quadries and allow Kellon more to, also I think it would help allow Kellon more to evolve as a play caller.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting when I was watching Carnotate, I was like, not saying that he's that synced up a player, but like, man, I don't know what you got.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: He could use him like he was using the Dante Smith thing.
30:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
30:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I knew he was going with it bro Because that's the thing.
30:22
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the same thought I had like man.
30:24
[SPEAKER_02]: They different they kind of different players like stylistically and body type a little bit But like but they're caught they're the same like they the same a little bit You would deploy and you would deploy them just like that like just how killing used the party Smith
30:37
[SPEAKER_02]: like the year before last, you could use Carnotate almost exactly the same.
30:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Identical, exactly the same.
30:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Think about that big plea.
30:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Divide this bit in the Super Bowl.
30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're killing cold.
30:50
[SPEAKER_02]: They shot plate.
30:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of like that.
30:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're just that that dagger.
30:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you could do that with Carnotate.
30:57
[SPEAKER_02]: That exact same.
30:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
30:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, was that template?
31:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that smother was that dotton.
31:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't smith I wasn't that it was doctor.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I could have swore smith had a big plea.
31:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know it's like we bought But yeah, I'm maybe was it.
31:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe is a playoff game.
31:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know but I know.
31:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I've yeah, please recall by killing that just just that dagger play and that's the type of play you could rope with a cardinal team You could let's get to our clouds clouds clouds clouds
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: see, see get off, man, and took them took Peter was off the clouds, he said, he's not in the cloud, I don't know what to say, and I feel I feel vindicated because not the the draft cognizant, he started to put their little
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: my drafts out stuff like that.
31:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You see that he's falling.
31:52
[SPEAKER_02]: They the woods is like falling towards.
31:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not in the cloud.
31:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not a part of my cloud.
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Woods tape down.
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Take not lie.
32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wait.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't even do the.
32:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
32:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So I usually do the juice meter.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll do this.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: My bad.
32:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so.
32:13
[SPEAKER_01]: way.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, this is right.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Carnotate slotted exactly the same.
32:19
[SPEAKER_01]: The only difference is where, you know, where we have Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Love.
32:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Great it.
32:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So we both have Carnotate slotted and rated higher than Jordan Tyson in terms of right receiver.
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was interesting because it was almost, almost at Cardinal T hired and drew my love.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought about it.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was just like, just in terms of just hand heading the ball off to a running back like,
32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: just like the ability for him to potentially like score on like just the probability that he could score from any area of the field.
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: In like that range, I was like, now like just as a player, he's just a cleaner, just a cleaner player.
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for me, like I had to take a bite, I had to like go back and watch the ball Jarabon love just kind of like stick about this.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But
33:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess for me is we've seen Jeremiah love be like that guy in offense like just the guy we are rolling with you, you're going to put all our hopes and dreams on you.
33:34
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't really see that we're calling out to you like we could project that, okay, maybe you could do that.
33:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe you can, because I don't even, I need to me, I look at them like.
33:42
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even need you to be like why I receive a one right.
33:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even worrying about that I just want you to be like a part of the you know the overall mix, but just saying That's why I just couldn't slide them above low because I just like man and then came up down I just I love came up down so I just can't I think he's like okay
34:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Arguably the best player in the draft like arguably came up down.
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just can't put nobody up off me right now.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: No, okay, I said love.
34:10
[SPEAKER_02]: This is but this is who we draft.
34:12
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not like I'm great.
34:14
[SPEAKER_02]: This is who we would.
34:15
[SPEAKER_02]: If we were GM Mickey Loan this, it this would be our personal cloud and who we would take from a priority standpoint.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And then with going to Cardinal take our juice meter.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: our Jordan Tyson, we had 7.5, Peter Woods, we had two.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I had Caleb Downs, nine for juice.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you had eight, seven eight.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had both Jeremiah love 8.5.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, okay.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
35:03
[SPEAKER_02]: juice mirror.
35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Where we at?
35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good.
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good night nine out of ten nine out of ten.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm going to go.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go.
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go 8.
35:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
35:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go 8.
35:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but still.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: still someone that is easily one of my favorite players in the draft.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: If you would to give me like, I think I only have like three draft bays in the draft and those players would be killed down during my love in Cardinal tape.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to do a draft big graphic at some point.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we do a draft base draft base um if you if you are unfamiliar like we like what a draft Bay is like those are our favorite man we should do like our I came think like our store but like our historical draft I was like there have been some there have been some gems that we've had like I know one player oh the player who's like who's that Titan alcohol he turned his life around that was that dinner waller
36:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why that's my dream big.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've we've had some we've had some some some very sad when students Kevin White I was yours.
36:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That was yours.
36:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Who are these guys?
36:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was a beautiful moment
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It was.
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We hit on the possibility, and I won't spend too much time on it.
36:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We are on the possibility of jubbies getting the Hall of Fame.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It became official on Thursday.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't think I felt like I was like, oh, maybe I'll be getting emotional.
36:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely was emotional and everything when it actually happened.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And just felt like vindication.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I glad the boaters didn't fuck it up in terms of fuck it up.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Drew Reeves easily should have should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer and he is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
37:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, test to be an alt boy.
37:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Also the fact that potential of the Saints may be a heart nox team.
37:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
37:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's it.
37:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Mocha, baby.
37:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I loved it, right?
37:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, the fact that Drew Breeze never made MPP was always just underrated throughout his career, always kind of the third, like the third quarter back, it would always be, well, even the fourth of time, you know, the time for 80 paid manning air ridges, thank you Breeze, you know, just any compensation.
37:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Or when you watch an ESPN or whatever, talk at heads and talk about everybody that never mentioned jewelry.
37:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you just be kind of like I have to talk.
37:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Just for him to get that word, you say, vindication.
38:01
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a first belly hall in the family and it deserves a deservedly first belly hall in the family.
38:08
[SPEAKER_02]: For what he did, on the field, off the field, it just, it just, it felt great, bro.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Just great seeing that man, like it's just,
38:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't even explain the feeling like it just felt great, man, it just unlocked all your memories and all the good times and all the good times you had and crazy times, all nine seasons and all the crazy times after that, it was awesome, man, awesome.
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was, it was, it was good to go down, go down memory lane and, and, you know, just reflect.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause this is fucking, it's been a while, it's been a long, long time.
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's how to suck that Pepsi, it took a, a, pay, pay, it's working out of you.
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
39:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Good ass player.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Good ass player, man, which there is more all 22 of him, but if the Saints were able to draft him at eight, he would be a phenomenal addition to the team for nominal.
39:32
[SPEAKER_01]: by far.
39:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But we will be back this upcoming this upcoming week.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, might be time for us to put our truly put ourselves in the GM chair, the Mickey Loomus and the Kai Harley chair and do some some virtual GMing this upcoming week.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And then next week for our prospect of the week, I don't think we're going to pull.
39:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just time for us to dive into
39:57
[SPEAKER_01]: massage lane.
39:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I know we don't know if we're going to go on offense offense, heavy, but I think this might be time to love.
40:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I love me some corners, but we can do that.
40:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the thickest might be the lane time, but we appreciate y'all for.
40:11
[SPEAKER_01]: checking in, watching all of it, all the support.
40:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week.
40:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back this upcoming week, doing some virtual GM, and then next week, we'll be back and breaking down a certain delay and defensive back LSU.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate y'all.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Love y'all with that.
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We are.