Latest / Archons Corner / These KeyForge Cards Will Ruin Your Day — #7 Made Me Flip the Table!

Transcript

These KeyForge Cards Will Ruin Your Day — #7 Made Me Flip the Table! · Archons Corner

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Are you travel out?
• 0:02
  Speaker 2: No red glass on my life, Oh, doc lot on
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: my coach, just sapphire my wife.
• 0:08
  Speaker 3: Oh burst out of my chest and shot out in
• 0:11
  Speaker 3: the vence.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: My blood beets so alive.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: My bite right through your lungs. It's bed among minds.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: All right, what's going on? Everybody?
• 0:21
  Speaker 4: I am the one, the only, the w very cold.
• 0:24
  Speaker 4: W oh okay, I e joined here by the normal misfits.
• 0:27
  Speaker 4: We got doctor m Sheep.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Drinkage is normal.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: I had to process that for a minute. Shrinkage is normal.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: We got the Jazz Boar himself Dress Corps. Hey, guys,
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: how's it going? And the e Walkest of e walks
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Ewalk Jr.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Hello, key Forge community, glad to be here.
• 0:49
  Speaker 4: It is time to do a thing. It is time
• 0:51
  Speaker 4: to see what really grinds your gears. It is time
• 0:54
  Speaker 4: to tell Gigi you've only fucked up like three fifths
• 0:59
  Speaker 4: of KeyForge.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Only three fasts.
• 1:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean one fifth was messed up by f
• 1:03
  Speaker 5: FG as we go through this, but yeah, oh so
• 1:05
  Speaker 5: two six maybe okay, we'll figure out the math later.
• 1:10
  Speaker 4: We'll pretend you're right. We ain't gonna figure out no
• 1:13
  Speaker 4: math later. I was gonna say we're gonna put it
• 1:16
  Speaker 4: on the Patreon, but she ruined that.
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: But first he.
• 1:21
  Speaker 5: Walks like like a school person or something. He should
• 1:24
  Speaker 5: know about fractions.
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cool person.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: You say he's gonna make us draw and color.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: He is what we call now teacher. Do I have
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: to get a scan tron? Yeah?
• 1:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they do those anymore? Do they
• 1:38
  Speaker 4: do scantron stiff? Are they just everything on their chromebooks?
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Most is on the chromebooks. Scantron's really old.
• 1:48
  Speaker 4: Way the way in the past, you're now old. Dras
• 1:51
  Speaker 4: car Welcome to.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: Welcome still carries his number two pencil.
• 1:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I carry my number two pencil wherever I go, wouldn't.
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: But we have our milar segment.
• 2:02
  Speaker 5: Key Forge is known for its pencil officionados.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: Right, what at least one pencil aficionado. Yeah. I keep
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: a picture of G on my desk, just to remind me.
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: How's that one happen?
• 2:17
  Speaker 5: Like like zoom did real close on his ear where his.
• 2:20
  Speaker 4: Pencil is just just pencil, that's his hat. But we
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: have Yeah, he's blurrying it. Yeah, you can't see G.
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: But the pencil not stuff. But we have our titular segment.
• 2:34
  Speaker 4: Why I suck at key Forge?
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: Boys? Anybody suck a key Forge this week? M Bueler.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: My problem is I don't know.
• 2:46
  Speaker 5: My problem was that UH had too much darn work trips,
• 2:51
  Speaker 5: so I didn't play nearly as much key Forge as.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: As I would like. That that's not great.
• 2:57
  Speaker 4: As determined by the scroll of power. That is a
• 3:02
  Speaker 4: that is a valid reason to suck at KeyForge.
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, I I know why I sucked at key Forge. Okay,
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: I got sucked into the trap. Everybody else was opening
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: TOC deck, so I too, opened to C deck and
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: they were a damned disappointment. M.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: Because you didn't get dis tokens. No you want, Actually
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: I got Katina Fiend and it didn't matter because it
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: made He also got Katina Feend and it didn't matter.
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we we We fought our Katina Fends in the
• 3:33
  Speaker 3: loser's bracket for no effect too. It was fun.
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was great. I mean everybody played talk there,
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: but then we played another one where he played single
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: deck and most people bought Talk except Morgan, who bought
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: amber Skies and she wrecked all of our talk faces. Nice. Yeah,
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: So I returned to that thought and when people were
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: opening talk stuff for for one of the weeklies. I'm
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: old Rammers, guys, and it worked for me, and I
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: wrecked that ninety five tok with my sixty eight as stacll. Yeah, no,
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: sixty Knad's gonna beat some high sas monster skilled out
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: matter in this game. Rocked them, rock that high sass garbage.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: I still believe the game was thrown and not playing.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: That was not throwing. That was superior drawing on my thing. Yeah,
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: it's really good when you draw for brob nark cards
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: and they're all creatures and then you draw your riot
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: and you're whatever ready your weakest creature and you got
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: your three power dude who exalts things when he fights,
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, yep, I'm gonna make twenty one
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: amber this turn. This was awesome.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Oh and the incensed Was this the case of draw
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: you gotta draw better?
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it draw best. Yeah that's but.
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: That's like SaaS doesn't matter in this game to some
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: extent because draw betters do happen. I mean SaaS matters,
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: they do deck quality, not SaaS. The deck quality matters,
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: but draw better is a huge thing in this game.
• 5:14
  Speaker 4: Iron RNG is is is a huge role in this game,
• 5:18
  Speaker 4: as we've seen.
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I love it.
• 5:22
  Speaker 4: Let's see where we go. We got op news with
• 5:24
  Speaker 4: Sheep Sheep, what's going on in the op world.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: I saw something about Rochester next month.
• 5:31
  Speaker 4: Yep, I did too, she twit Yeah, uh yeah.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: So there's Rochester next month, and then the one that
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: matters Roseville the one after that, because we'll all be there.
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: Get your tickets and get your tickets to the draz
• 5:49
  Speaker 4: Car Jazz cor Experience.
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: Yep. Store Championship accolades are rolling out. People are seeing
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: them show up. Lots of them have been running, a
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: few more are still happening. I hope everybody got to
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: go out and enjoy one of those, or eight of them,
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: as I may be doing.
• 6:07
  Speaker 5: I've got my UH Alliance Store Champs this Sunday.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: I already won one of those nice the UH.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: I can't win sealed, but I can win the other ones.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're gonna, We're just gonna do it sealed.
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: This is the first year I have not won a
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: start championship. I won. I won.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: When you show up.
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a it's been a crazy week. I
• 6:34
  Speaker 4: had an inventory and then I had my I have
• 6:36
  Speaker 4: my bank audit this week, and uh, craziness, craziness bank audits,
• 6:43
  Speaker 4: who needs them clearly clearly my Well, you know, it's
• 6:48
  Speaker 4: always fun when you're like, hey, it's uh, it's an audit,
• 6:52
  Speaker 4: and then there and then they're there for like five
• 6:54
  Speaker 4: days and then they.
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: Go yeah, you're good, and then they sleep. That woman.
• 7:01
  Speaker 5: It was just like sleep into the back room, like
• 7:03
  Speaker 5: they pulled yeah, no, they didn't find jack shit, Like
• 7:07
  Speaker 5: they're like, yeah, your paperwork looks well to be in order.
• 7:10
  Speaker 4: I don't do guns, and I guess that's where a
• 7:12
  Speaker 4: lot of people, uh, a lot of people screw up
• 7:16
  Speaker 4: is in guns. So I don't do guns. So it's
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: very easy to not screw up when you don't do guns,
• 7:25
  Speaker 4: because the at they're crazy, they're crazy mother truckers. So
• 7:32
  Speaker 4: ooky audits or places where it's like you almost want
• 7:35
  Speaker 4: like just like a relatively benign finding.
• 7:38
  Speaker 5: So they could be like we found a thing, and
• 7:40
  Speaker 5: you could be like it's not that bad, and then
• 7:42
  Speaker 5: everybody parts their separate ways feel like okay.
• 7:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they go through your your old paperwork
• 7:48
  Speaker 4: which we have to hold on to for like X
• 7:50
  Speaker 4: amount of years and since my store hasn't even been
• 7:54
  Speaker 4: open for that amount of years. I just have all
• 7:56
  Speaker 4: of my paperwork that I've ever had, and you're like,
• 7:58
  Speaker 4: here you go, and then then they go through some
• 8:02
  Speaker 4: of your accounts, make sure money was aoka, and then
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: they're like, oh, yep, you've done this, and you've done this,
• 8:10
  Speaker 4: and you've had regular inventories, and then they can match
• 8:13
  Speaker 4: things up and they're still not done, but they have
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: found they have found nothing to date.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: They haven't found the bodies yet.
• 8:21
  Speaker 4: They haven't found the bodies. No, that's not funny because
• 8:25
  Speaker 4: in my neck of the woods they might find bodies.
• 8:27
  Speaker 4: But anyway, what do we got next? We also got
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: final refrain going on, so Top eight are happening this week.
• 8:36
  Speaker 4: You can see me probably get crushed, and by probably
• 8:39
  Speaker 4: I mean like ninety eight point seven percent get crushed.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: You sir, could draw better?
• 8:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, If I draw better and I get Magic Christmas
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: Land twice in three games, I definitely could will celebrate.
• 8:55
  Speaker 4: We will celebrate. It is pretty awesome that you mostly
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: just shouple up emojis, but we'll cell feel great, Like, yeah,
• 9:04
  Speaker 4: the rest of us scrubs didn't, that's right, they wouldn't
• 9:07
  Speaker 4: even let me play.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: Did you did you ask or were You're like, no,
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: I can't play because no, they didn't invite me. I
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: was gonna ask. I was gonna that.
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: I figured it was just like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna
• 9:19
  Speaker 4: be on business for like three weeks, so well they're
• 9:22
  Speaker 4: that too.
• 9:23
  Speaker 5: Just the timing was very poor for me. So ye,
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: Actually it was kind of cool because I made that
• 9:30
  Speaker 5: off handed comment and in this cast that I was like, oh,
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: maybe I should stream or something, and then I had
• 9:36
  Speaker 5: multiplely people Piggy be like, hey, you should come stream
• 9:38
  Speaker 5: with us. So, uh, finally, when it was back from
• 9:42
  Speaker 5: my work trip, I did the the week to recap,
• 9:46
  Speaker 5: which was pretty fun, and uh, Ryan's like, this isn't
• 9:51
  Speaker 5: gonna be that long, probably, but then he forgot and
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: then he forgot that that dras Car is a talker.
• 9:56
  Speaker 5: Saw Yeah, that's right, that's right. I'm a blabberbouth.
• 10:01
  Speaker 4: But I did win my Week two matchup against JDG.
• 10:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you to everyone who voted for me over in
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: the final refrain, all nine of you.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Hey, you're moving up with this world votes
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: you have this time two.
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: I hope zero because if in that case, the rest
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: of those are AoE apologists who think I actually stand
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: in prayer.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: Uh no, you've got twelve votes this time.
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, ah, oh my goodness. People have not
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: seen that deck. It is dumb. It is dumb. I
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: tested it with Pete. It's it's rough. It is a
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: rough rough. You ever go up against the deck that
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: explicitly shuts down everything you want to do?
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: That's this week's can happen?
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you should offer to buy him lots of
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: drinks before you guys start playing.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: At seven in the more.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: Well, actually I don't know he I think he's Germany.
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, so I don't know what time it
• 11:07
  Speaker 4: will be there, but it'll be seven am here or
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: eight am.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: It'll be like eight or nine something.
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give him drunk.
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one way of doing it. I might think
• 11:21
  Speaker 4: it's I think it's it's a good strategy. It might
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: be my only out because, like I said, you.
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: Could you could mail him some some brownies with some
• 11:28
  Speaker 5: laxative in it.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: Go to time every game.
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they might make it there by Sunday if I
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: mail him to No, they won't. They want too late
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: for that, too late for them. Oh sorry, man, It
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: was a good idea, just purely. According to the numbers,
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: there is a twenty two chance in terms of votes.
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: You got twenty two percent of the votes. So we're
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: gonna say twenty two percent chance Corey of the voters
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: that you're you're gonna win.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: Sounds about right.
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's more chance than I had last week.
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: You got this, I mean like I won last time.
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: I did last week, but I have I had nine
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: votes against Jdg's forty six.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Ah oh, but it's not popular with the international crowd.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's all voting in this thing. I mean,
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: it's all the people you puss off, that's the problem. Okay,
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: that's okay. How for you, it's okay?
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: Did you vote? You're not? Are you even in the
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: server anymore?
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: No? Yeah, I left the server. I got salty.
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: I just want to say there's one person I would
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: like to give a special shout out to.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Uh fuck you, uh.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll gladly give my dollar for this one. What
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: does he go by? Now? I gotta I got at Astron?
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: What our bud? What pace he got there? Oh?
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: Astron had some words and said he didn't think that
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: I was going to be able to figure out how
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: that deck ran. And I just wasn't good enough to
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: understand the deck. And well you showed him and I
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: lost Game one. I did, and I was like, Oh,
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: that's what you want to do, that's cool, and then
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: promptly switched how I played game two in game three
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: and then won both those games. Hell yeah, so sucking Astron.
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: I have to say some of us made it to
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: the Elite eight. Some of us did it. It's all right.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: I did not. I did not. Yeah, yeah, you want
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: to know who else did it? Astron?
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: He made it further than I did.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: Well, he took he took me out, So then he's
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: a good player.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: You gotta start shipped with somebody otherwise his day just
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: isn't right.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's true. Yeah, who am I going to mess with?
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a feel like I've been a messing.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: With a lot of people, because today we're going over
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: cards that really grind my gears. What is a card
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: that grinds your gears? Well, that could be a card
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: that just pisss you off. Don't understand it? Extremely over
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: powerful and redundant, stupid, card that you just lose to
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: a card that makes your day just suck.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: Any card that makes what could be happy is a
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: good candidate.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is probably true. It is also good that,
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: you know, Keith were just played by a bunch of
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: older people because grind my gears. I don't the new
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: kids don't even understand it.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's still around. It's still a meme.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: That's that happens from time to time.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: They don't understand it all right, year.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: So we're going we're going over cards that are skibby
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: toilet no cap.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Now, everybody's that.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I get everybody?
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Did I cover the whole all of it?
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: I feel like I did so. I mean I can,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: I can talk. Uh, I don't know what they call
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: those kids? What are these kids called millennials? No, I'm
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: a millennial. What the what is the generator?
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: A millennial? Dude? What is this new generation of children? Uh?
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: Well, I think they got only way to Z so
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: just like Excel. Now it's a a oh aa okay,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: so this is this is Are they z ab now?
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not sure, but I can. I can.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I can talk today to today's youth, you know, and
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: you just let me know if scibby Toilet's too cringe
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: a right, and then we'll what I think I just
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: gave JR an aneurysm sligh Wookie. Anyways, I would like
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: to go first in cards that really grind my gears. Now,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: this is gonna be maybe a controversial take, as all
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: of Wookie's takes are red line rotation. What is a
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: card that is just too much? That was fine when
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: it was in a dog shit set, didn't bother anybody,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: but then they put it in talk so red line rotation.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: You get an umber pip every time you play it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: And I'll explain my thoughts here real quick, drav square,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: because I knew a lot of people were gonna go,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: what that's crazy? Get an umber pip every time you
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: play it. Play if your opponent has seven no more embers,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: steal half rounding down. So basically this card reads steal
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: three Mber and you get an ember pit. Now here
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: comes the boomer in me. Back in my day, steal
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: three Emra was an Alpha and alpha and omega and
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: it was considered a bad It was considered a bad card,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: and it had no Ember pip. But wait, this could
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: steal more than three. This could steal a key, This
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: could steal two maybe three keys.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I could steal one hundred.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: It doesn't stop there, and it's not Alpha or Omega
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: and is.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Not limited one, correct, like bait and Switch was limited one.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: So my reasoning thank you for bringing up bait and switch.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Bayton switch somehow too powerful. You had to fully play
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: on your turn to make sure your opponent didn't forge,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and you had to forge your key to steal four umber.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Now it just comes printed on a card. But bait
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: and switch too good.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Too confusing, It's got too many words on it. Red
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: lines easier.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: So are TMTP. What's your feeling on that?
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Lookie, TMTP doesn't stop the key, it takes is this
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: will stop the key basically puts you in a position
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: to forge next turn more than likely. Basically you need
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: two mber now at this point to forge, right, So
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: this stops the key, puts you in forging range, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: gives you an umber PIP. So TMTP was at least
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: you needed two cards to make it work, right, You
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: needed to the TMTP, plus you needed something else to
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: stop them from forging. Yeah, and you only took them
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: down to six.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: It can be pretty devastating.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: This is the only card hit can be that really
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: makes Skibbity Born worth playing. Right this and against the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: rest of that. I mean, occasionally there's some flight and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: ready stuff with the Tempest that's kind of okay, but man,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and on a tiny set like Talk, you can get
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: multiples of these.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we typically are seeing too. I did
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: have Redline on my list as well, and for the
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: reason I just don't think that Redline needed to have
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: the amber pip printed on the card. I think the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: card by itself is actually a good design, but those
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: design no, no, no, I disagree. I think this is
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: a good design because it goes back to steel shadow.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Steel was so powerful and I like to see this,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: especially in Skyborne. We're outside of against all flags. There
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: isn't a ton that I want to be able to see.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: So I like the steel in Skyborne. I think it
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: brings some flavor. I think without it, it's me. I
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: just don't think that you need to have an amber pick.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: It's something like they're like, well, just take what Shadows
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: is good at and make it better over here. Not
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: as often, there's not as many cards that do it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But when we are going to put one over here,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it's going to be damned better.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: But I mean, if you look at the rest of
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: the house, if you don't get redline rotation against all flags.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, but their creatures are right on par with
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: most Shadows creatures. You don't want them. Yeah, that's how
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Shadows creatures were too, you didn't want them. It's all
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: about the actions. I mean in a lot of ways,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: what makes what makes sky Born good When they're good,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: it's like what made Shadows good. It means you had
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: creature control cards and steal and none of the rest
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of the junk they put in there. Like those those
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: cards are what Skyborn pretty good. Shadow Spot.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Are fine good right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Now, Chin didn't know Urchin is trash these days?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Well these days Steel, but.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: That's the days we're playing in.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if I would say it's trash.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: It's just not as good as it was because of
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: the general power.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Like it's been improved on three times, right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: You can steal Steel one just doesn't have the same
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: oof that it did back in the day.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they made they made rads. Even Bownizing
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: is potentially better. Yeah, yeah, no, anyways, so yeah, all right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Wookie's cranky. He's just cranky because because he still doesn't
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: have his bait and switch back, which I agree is
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: probably on irratable. Now they could take that away, and.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: It's one set. It's in one set, one set that
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: nobody could buy anymore. Just give me what I want.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I got it for sale.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Well shouting in a louder, does that mean that you
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: should get that?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Just so you're aware? But that's how it works. Yeah,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I thought, well that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Is how society believes, but this is not it. You know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: regular humans. We can talk it through.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And then talking. Yeah all right, but anyway, who we
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: got next? E wok? What what? What is one card
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: that really grinds your gears?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: So there again, there are many different reasons for grinding
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: of gears. I actually had quite a few that we're
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: on here. The card that gets a bit of love. Yes,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna target our
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: geystoids in here somewhere. I just at the common slots,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: providing an amber pip the play effect. If you are haunted,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: archive two cards from your discard pile. Otherwise, discard the
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: top five one I'm either getting to haunt it, which
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: these wants to do, or two I'm going out and archiving,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: and frankly, when it's in house it is just cycled
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again. Well we're seeing someone
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: that you know four and a dack. What that's again
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: there's some issues there, but strongly disagree. Well it has
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: no impact, then you would be perfectly honestly, I think
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: this card in here somewhere would be just perfectly fine
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: if it had no amber pip and still said the
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: same thing that was there. If you're haunted archived two cards.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Otherwise it's still very good, very.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But you know, think about it, not dominant to maybe
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: even not.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Good enough.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Would g r B if they took like an amber
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: pip off of that and junk, just those two cards
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden interesting be good. No, No,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: because you wouldn't make amber. You'd be too slow and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you totally get washed by code of acts.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: You think it'd be like an AOA logos sort of situation.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd move a lot of cards, but you're not
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: making money.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: So the thing about junk, because junk was on there
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: is junk has the two discard enhanced pips. Plus you're
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: going ahead in cycling by looking at three cards and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: picking one of them to add into your hands. Well,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Joe, Just for our listeners out there, junk does not
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: natively have two discard pips. You just discard too.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: But it is providing two discard pips to your other
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: your other cards, which is important. If we looked when
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: we first saw MM or MM, you actually saw the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: enhanced pips do carry value, and I think having played
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: multiple sets now, the enhanced pips do carry value. It's
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: interesting because I think people have devalued the pips as
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: we've kind of moved on, but.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It certainly certain ones have lost value.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: But even here your statement of junk and in here
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: somewhere going ahead and removing the amber pip, I think
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: one of them needed to have the amber pip. One
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: of them needed to have it. But in common slot
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: is where it really hurts.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I just think about how all the decks
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that we have played, and it's probably because they got
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: junks in in heres, but if they didn't have the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: amber pips, like, how much that would slow those decks down?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, makes some other decks viable and other strategy.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's that's one thing to say, is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that it makes other decks viable, but it like would
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: turn it into another set of like who the hell
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: cares because they ain't good enough?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I disagree, guys.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Like so, I have five different categories that I wrote
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: down of reasons why cards will grind my gears. But
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: a card being good is not one of those categories.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no are good. No.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: One of one of those categories that will had specified
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: ahead of time is cards that do not need to
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: have the amber PIP. And I stand behind that. It's
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: not a matter of these cards are good. These cards
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: are good. But I'm telling you these cards are good
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: either way, whether they have the amber pip or not.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: And I think that they become overvalued, and they become
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: overvalued because they're in the common slot and they have
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that pip. If you take the pip off, I think
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: that's where we go ahead and get a chance to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: be able to see a little bit different.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think having an amber pip or not on
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: a card that is or having an amber on a
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: card that is good, is like reason to get pissed
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: in my opinion, now.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It's on these particular cards. It's because of the ridiculous
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: strong recursion. So you get to just it's doing exactly
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: what Aria does right, or one of the things Aria
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: can do. And I'm not here saying we should get
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: rid of that. I was just saying, think about how
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: much value is in the set because these pips are there,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and I think I don't. I don't think you guys
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: are consider water. How much worse it would be if
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they didn't have the pits like it would be. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: think it would be disappointing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: So so I think, yes, I agree, right, you don't
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: want stuff that's bad. I think the problematic stuff is
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: not this thing was good at it and now it's over.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: It's the this thing will now take me a really
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: long time to execute. You just have to stare at
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: me while I do a bunch of stuff and win that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: That's the problem.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Not just different about watching you play Aria, where you're
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: cycling your junkin in here somewhere's over and over and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: over again. It's broke into multiple turns where I don't
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: have a way to impact it, which is why they
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: brought in amber skies to go ahead and have you
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: discard your archives? They needed an archive hate earlier. The
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: short answer is when you were cycling at that such
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: high rates and for efficiency both an amber and card
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: just push cards return is definitely something that's there, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: this is granting that in space.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Well, so I'm positing that it is not so much
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: that I'm doing a good thing with the archives or
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I've gotten amazing bord. You can't do something you can't
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: do very much about whatever it's it's more about it
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: took me a really long time to do the thing
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: that was good. That I think is the thing that
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: is more concerning. If I just quickly win or you
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: quickly win, like hey we can play again, right, or
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: we move on right? If it's like you have to
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: watch me for Rule of six on seven different cards,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Oh no, that's daz Corps.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: What people want are forty five minute games of key
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Forge that you make you wish you hadn't spent that time.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'll less you them, and then they think it's the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: greatest thing in the world. I'm with you, man, like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: let people keep it fast, turn a couple extra games
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and it'll be fine.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so he likes a close fight. I I don't disagree.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just saying that, like there's just.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Bring a better deck. No, it is true though GR
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: has for certain like murdered the value of most everything
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: else right, like the broken amber sky stuff might be competing.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes down as time goes on.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: But like GR has definitely like just made everything pre
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: GR damn near pointless. There's definitely some truth for sure
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: everything that that, yes, basically everything. There are a handful
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: of decks that can still pull out some wins, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: even that's getting fewer and fewer as the better GR
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: decks are consistently showing up to events.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: You mean, as people buy more GR.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Well, and yeah, and and then things like bandola are
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: getting passed around or past her asses getting passed around.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Aria is getting passed around, like the strongest stuff of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that set is there, which has happened with every set,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Like this isn't anything new, But as the cream of
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that crop is found and consistently brought around, it is
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: smashing down on what was the cream of the crop
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: from before. It does not compete. All right, let's pick,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: let's pick a dog card. We're here to grind some cards. Not.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I'm glad Again if it creates discussion, I think that
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: that's where they're.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that's a problem. I just I
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: again I said it before.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Really you're the guy who gets all salty half the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: time because you don't have a deck that can compete.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Well, now I just borrow everyone else's. I mean it strategy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I mean it's but again now I do I still
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: have a decks that can compete. No, but like if
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: if I were out, I still have decks that like
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I could bring these and feel okay, right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's great for new players, and it needed
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: to happen just for the fact of new players, Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: if you want to get new players into this game,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: like before, we always talked about it, and it's just
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: it's it's tough to get new players.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I think most of us that we had very
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: similar discussions when Woe was out, that you could buy
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Woe and probably find something competitive.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Some of us even not experience any of that. But god, continue,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: well you.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Didn't hardly play then, that's who I think that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Wasn't quite as crazy as the Cream of g R. Yes,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, it's one of the things is
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: like that you know when when the cream gets hired
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: or when when the average deck gets hired, just like
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the average opening gets hired. That means the quality the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: very top end stuff takes it equal step up generally,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and it's yeah, it's the the very top end is
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: getting it's getting way out there.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: All right, sheep.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna go next, Yeah, because direction I'm not
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about good stuff. I'm gonna talk about actively
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: horrible stuff.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Actually, also cards DRez I also had this as one
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: of my categories. So I'm curious to see what did
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: you roll with my friend.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I picked one that came up, I don't
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: know the other day because I was looking at a
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: deck and I was like, oh, this seems pretty interesting,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: pretty cool, and it like had a kind of a
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: reliance on artifacts, and then I saw it had a
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: how I say, this gig Ruco sapper in it, and
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: instantly I was like, this deck is unplayable because it's
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: so so to remind everybody, it's a three power three
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: armor Equodon Creature soldier get Ruka. Play after fight, take
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: control of an enemy artifact, give your opponent control of
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: get a Rukus Sapper. So if you play it, then
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: your opponent can take your strong artifacts, which if you're
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: playing a strong artifact deck, you don't want that, so
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: you don't want to play it. Okay, So there's plenty
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: of cards that suck that you just discard. But wait,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: there's a scrap effect destroy a friendly artifact period if
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: you do destroy an enemy artifact. So wait, I can't
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: play it and I can't discard it. I just just
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: staste in my hand, and I that I lose the game, Like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: what is this card? This is terrible?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: That's what that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Card is, utter trash.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: You're hoping for You're hoping for a clipped wings.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: The other Aquadan card that fit with this, in my
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: opinion is Tutor Bin Brylo. I mean that is perfect
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: real love love child. There, get Ruka or power zero
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: armor plate card up to three cards. Your opponent draws
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: a card. Wait, that's my opponent drawing a card. Not
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: not great, and then scrap. Each player draws a card. Wait,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: my opponent's still drawing a card.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I have outside, like outside of their turn when they
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: really want it to control things. So yeah, I replace that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It's it's I.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Hate that card as well, although there has truthfully been
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: places where having one and forcing somebody to flip is
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: actually very viable against what some of this gr garbage.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: No very rare, very rare, So it's.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Not very rare. It's been more often than i'd be, Like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: if I could flip you, then you couldn't. You wouldn't
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: be haunted, So you can't use your stupid trawler again.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: If Sheep has the ability to flip you, he will
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: your night. You drop on your head. I had another
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: card in this sweet sweet pool dass score totally going
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: over shape. Here we sand that's right because it was
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: seen and sealed two weeks ago. One power Thief Beast
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Shadows Deploy Elusive. Wait, the one power was too much.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: We're gonna give it Elusive. If we sand is on
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: a FLNK destroy it. Definitely too powerful. Anytime it's on
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: the edge, we just have to heal the creature next
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to it and then boom, it's gonna die. So you
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: can't play it by itself and after a player forges
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: a key, because that's happening all the time. Game two Amber,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Wow to Amber, all of the stipulations like and so
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I actually had a whole bunch of cards.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That that's what.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Happened, is that as velpert like, there's just too many
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: stipulations on some of these cards.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: There's there's the better version of this card where it's like,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: after your opponent forges a key, take control of one
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of their creatures. Right, that card exists, and that card
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't good and it's a hell of a lot better
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: than this car.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: You know what I forgot about this card? You're right,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: we almost see a new category. It's called like the
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: t's because like you read the cards, you're like, well,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, if there's something maybe interesting here, these
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: start playing it through your mind and it's like.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: When will this ever trigger ever? And the answer is never.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Well, there's plenty of cards and key forge that just
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: like they do something that has no value whatsoever.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's value if you can do this.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: It's just like, but that all the hoops that you
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: have to jump to or to amber. Honestly, if we're
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: looking at it, most of these cards that have a
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: printed amber pip on them provide you half of that
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: original piece right there. Like what's really interesting is that
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: amber breakdown per card is fascinating to me and what
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: cards can cycle. And I think that's why Geistoid as
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: a whole actually has quite a bit of power. But
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: seeing some of the older cards, they're just ough. They
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: don't generate amber, they're so slow, they're so weak. And yes,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: we need some poor cards, I get that, but this
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: isn't poor. This is absolutely pathetic. This this is Burnett
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: toss it put in dumpster fire. Just don't don't see it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that one was.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: That one was unfortunate, like we said, needed to come
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: with like an on forge thing too, so you could
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: shut it multiple times and it would still be bad.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: All right, do I get to do one?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Do it?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going back to what is truthfully just bad
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: card design.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Who smiling was the take control?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that is gold key imp This card just
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's in It's an AOA card.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: It says.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: While this creatures in play, players cannot forge their third
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: key something to that extent, right, you cannot. There was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: one for each first key, second key, third key. Both
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: players can at forge. So this card, because it's a creature,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: can be on the board. Both players can have enough
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: hamber to forge three keys, and it becomes this game
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of I can't kill it because then you get to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: forge first, and if no key sheets exist, nobody can
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: kill it without losing the game. So the game technically
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like either never ends. So thankfully tournament play we have
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: time rules, but like, how was that trash ass garbage
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: not cotton play testing? Because like that card was that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: we saw it for like one second, where like this
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: is going to lead to absolutely horrible game state stuff.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you play at a sealed event and like you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: you're playing against an inexperienced player and they play this
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: out and you're just like, uh, we're not like keeping
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: track of time, Like what do we even do now?
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Like like and that they realize what they've done.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: You shred it that card And it's the same. It's actually,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in my opinions, kind of the same thing with what
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: what heart of the Forest is?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: No, don't you touch my heart of the forest.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: It's it's this like sets up this uh huh game
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't win situation yep, ye know where it's like, well,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I can't gain the amber to forge my second key
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: because you'll forge your third key, So now like technically
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you've lost the game, but that's not it it's just
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: it just sets up these like areas where you're not
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: playing the game, and then you get people like Wookie
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: who get out bent and like, well he's not progressing
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the game states, so she he should be disqualified. And
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: he's like, there are no rules that say you must
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: progress game state, like you're just playing key forge.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So with gold key imp being two power imp elusive,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: players cannot forge their third key. I think having the
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: other imps where it was you skip your first and
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: second key, I'm fine with.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Those are fine, it's the it's the third key.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And that's where we just have to think through some
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: of these plays of like, uh, don't ever create that situation.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: See, but it's in a set that nobody plays, so
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: does it even matter.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: People play it?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: You to talk about who's playing what. When you play
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: one game a.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Week, we play more than one game a week, thank you, sir.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: If you averaged your number of games over the number
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: of weeks of the year, it might be one game
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a week.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: So what I sorry, I got other things to do
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and then hang out on TCO all day.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: You need to reprioritize, Well, I'll quit my job tomorrow, sir.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Those audit folks that you got things to do.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Mom and Dad's pause for a second. I think what
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: helps gold KEYMP is the linked rarity and kind of
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: how often it actually shows up. And so because it
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: shows up in a smaller amounts, I'm actually in a
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: better spot to see the first two I like, no,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: but because of that, I think it makes it a
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: little better. I still I don't think that we should
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: have ever had a goal KEYMP where it's can't forge
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: their third key. I'm going to tell you when these
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: cars in a.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Car less common but still totally awful doesn't fix it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: It doesn't.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: This should be in zero zero zero.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: We're all in agreement there, But I'm telling you, when
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I start to see our cards showing up in that
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: common slot, that's where I really it really grinds me
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: gears when I can see that happening. So this a
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: little better, but it still hurts.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: This card is yunk YEP and Heart of the Forest
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I agree with as well, is in this category. Yes, yes,
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I understand at nted, but I don't know so many
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: scenarios and sealed in normal in everything, but you have.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Even though that you've tried where it just can't do it,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: but you just keep trying to force us.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: To deal with the garbage.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: No, so there's this like random thing where once I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: land this on tame creature, the next turn I can
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: fight destroy my Heart and win. As like, yeah, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I just could a creature And you're like, well, if
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we play through these decks forty seven times, one of
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: these times it'll come out and I'll be able to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, So what you're actually missing is I do have
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: a Heart deck that can go ahead and actually play
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: with the Kichi, but it's a very there's a very
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: select number of decks that will have the ability to
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: archive the ability to go ahead and do that. What
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: what you're missing here, though, is Heart of the Forest
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: by itself when it was released, in a way was
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: a bad timing because there were not enough cards to
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: capture and deal with basically pushing your opponent over. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: think once World's Collide came out, it really put a
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: big dent into into Heart of the Force because of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the ability to exalt in the ability to go ahead
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: and have amber that can be pushed onto your opponent.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: And as soon as that happens, it's a whole other level.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I actually like Heart of the Forest now where people
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: can play it and there's a lot of options to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: be able to get around it. I think that I
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: think the better card is where it's dealing with haunted
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: or not. And that was the modified version of Hard Card,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: but with dark Heart, because you can control being haunted
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: or not haunted a little better. But there are still
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: there are still decks that can actually force you to
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: go ahead and be consistently haunted, and so I think
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: that is something to be aware of. You just don't
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: see the amount of decks, or you're.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Playing sealed and you play the card that auto haunts
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you every turn, and then you're up on a place
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: dark Heart, and you go, this game is stupid. I'm
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: going home.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: That is where you played the wrong card goodbye.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now that that kind of shit is not actually
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that healthy for the game where just a random interaction
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: just locks you out from being able to play the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: game because.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It'll just never end.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I got two more. Okay, Okay, well here's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: my combination. It's three Sheets to the Wind and High
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Street Churn.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, these are two cards with too many words on
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: them for too little effect. Yeah, yep, like they're they're
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and these aren't the only two. These are just the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: two because somebody Loca car had them both in a
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: deck the other day and he played them both on me,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and thankfully we're on TCO, so TCO took care of it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: But then it all ended and I'm like, yep, that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: didn't mean anything, okay, and had we had to go
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: through it in life, and just like that's like these
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: cards where they have ten thousand words and then don't
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: make a significant impact. Most of the time, I find
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I find they grind my gear like they just you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: they don't They're not adding to the game. Like these
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: cards could have been good. They're not good. They could
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: have been bad. Well, they probably are. Do you a
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: bunch of work for nothing?
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Do you like cards that have a lot of texts
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: but they have a really big upside in the game.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: They need to do something I don't. I don't mind
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: gambling den that's got a bunch of words and is
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. I don't mind the discard a bunch
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: of cards from your deck and gain amber for shadows.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Thing that's thing's got a lot of words, but does
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: stuff like no I definitely don't mind that, but it
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: needs to. Like, it feels like they started with these
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: two cards High Street and three sheets, and they were
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: probably something good like market fluctuation, and then they went, oh,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: they're too good too often. Then they like softened them
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: to the point where it's just like, let me flush
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: your hand for you a little bit. Okay, thanks, like
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get rid of those creatures I've been
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: avoiding playing for three turns. Anyways.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it helps your opponent just as often as it
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: hurts them.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, like it punk is one of those cards
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: where like sometimes it sometimes it crushes your opponent. Sometimes
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: your opponents like, huh, loser, I'm gonna win the game
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: because you punked.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Meh what if it only helps you? How do you
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: feel about long text? Then?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Sure? Well, I mean, you know, complexity this this game
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: is getting more and more complexity in it, to the
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: point where there are players that used to play this
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: game that are not as interested because the complexity has
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: gotten to the point where they're either it's hard or
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: they're not enjoying it. And it's work to keep up
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: with all of the stuff that's going on all the time,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and my opinion is on many of these cards, the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: complexity that they added doesn't enhance the game game they
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: tracking Tide doesn't enhance the game. States tracking Haunted is
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: only good because they made the haunted this stuff good enough.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I say that the only reason the Tide's not worth
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: tracking is because.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just another power.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Wasn't the power There's nothing powerful there to actually need
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: to track, Like, it's just like, am I haunted? Do
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I do this mundane thing? And the answer more times
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: than not was nope, I don't do anything good, So
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: it's not worth my time to even track it. Where
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: it's haunted, it is worth tracking because yeah, they took
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: the time to make the cards that actually made you
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: hunted worth something.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: It wasn't the correct power level is what we needed.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is we just had a whole discussion
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: in this in this discord. I believe it was just
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: yesterday about like this game has a real problem with
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: like cards that have like upside versus their downside, right,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Like there's zero downside to ever playing a red Line.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: There's zero downside to ever playing most of these cards
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: that like their upside doesn't quote you know, and then
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: but then there's cards that have a serious downside, like
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Elpha Omega, and it's like, well, but the upside doesn't
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: match the downside.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those cards were not balanced well either.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And I and I agree with that. I think that
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: there's a real discrepancy with what some cards are able
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: to do and other cards. You're just like, why why
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: are you giving me a tutor bin rylo here versus
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: a control of the week, Like these are plastically different,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: and they're they're not equal in the power level. For me,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: what I actually had in this category was Witch Queen,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: so untamed four power leader human Witch. I actually think
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: the first part of the text is perfectly fine. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: it's like it's like someone gave a bloody Mary and
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: they just keep putting more on top and more.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: But that's the best part of the bloody Barry. No no, no,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: no no.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: But this is it Like here, each other friendly witch
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: creature enters play ready perfect, I love it, while Witch
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Queen is in the center. Okay, that's what we want
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: for all the leaders in the in the center, each
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: other friendly witch creature gains skirmish, elusive, and poison. Okay,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: that's really good right there. But then we add this
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: like extra clause, and I'm like, why why did we
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: go here?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: And best effect doesn't even require them being in the middle, correct.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: But then it's like and destroyed return this creature to
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: its owner's hand. And so like that last bit, it
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: has such an impact with the ability to be able
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: to manipulate the cards. I think you just added way
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: too much text. The first bit was perfectly fine. Why
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: do we need to add destroyed effect in there? And again,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: what's the ready destroyed? That?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Does it? Right? If?
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Because I come in, come in ready and it is
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: it is a looping It comes in ready and then
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I destroy it and then I get it back.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yep, the loop. The loop takes so you can't just
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: fight Yeah, well excited, yeah, work.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah that it's It's another one of those cards
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: where you feel like after you read it and you
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: see it and play, you're like, did they play test
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: this card? Like this card is this card is on
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a power level that is.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Above so far.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: From everything else. Like you look at every other leader
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: in the game, and even the previous good leaders are
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: one percent parful its covered matter what percent. But yeah,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: like it's just like they're they're just on a totally.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: This card is on a totally different power level, but
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you still I mean, like, the truth is that you
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: don't actually see it that often because it's rare and
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: you often only get a couple of bad witches.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you need a combo, right, you need either
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the King of Fan or you need the.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Blood in Blood Charted, or or you need the uh
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Porcupine upgrade like you need. You do need something else
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: to make it work.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: M all right, I'm gonna go on my next one. Yeah,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: we got. This one still pisses me off because again
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: all the reasons I named before against all flags, this
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: card needed an alpha if it was gonna be because
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: basically this card reads gain a number, pip steal.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Two three bar.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: So again, do you just gain half a key from
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: a very little setup?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that it's I'm surprised it counts enemy creatures.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: If it didn't count enemy creatures, then even with that,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: it means you either had to already have stuff on
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: board or have to have two creatures with it to
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: play it for effect, and that alone would have made
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: it meaningless enough, I think.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: But you can have.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Two creatures on board and you steal two as well
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: is real good.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: The problem is you put it in talk. So as
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: long as you again, these cards are fine as long
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: as they stay in the trash hat set they got printedent.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Once you put it in talk, which you're gonna have
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: two creatures on the flank that are probably the same house,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: it becomes it's just reads game three Umber and two
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: of it will be my opponents. So not only am
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: I getting a four umber swing, I'm also getting that
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: one extra so I'm getting what a five Mber swing?
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: What okay, you're saying the swing of four?
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: You're swing getting the swing of four because you're stealing too.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: If it just said game two, then it would be different.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: It would probably be fine. But it says steal too.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: So not only are you you're again hurting your opponent,
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: probably taking them off key and progressing your own key.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: This is why Steel got really like taken down after coda.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Against all Flakes is a good card.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: This is a card that doesn't bother me at all.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Like in the modern era of how strong steel needs
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to be to be meaningful. This card is almost right
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: on for appropriate.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can put another six power fight due
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: nothing thing creature in in Skyborne instead.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: How does that feel? I just I just put alpha
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: on it. That's it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'd be heartbroken if the car is
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: just gain one amber steel to amber. Fuck okay, get
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: rid of get rid of all those extra words, and
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: just make it do what it needs to do.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: But it was sets being so small you could get
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: three four of these okay, and then also that wasn't
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: good enough.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Well true, but he had it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: You didn't steal to You can grind your gear and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that's that's totally fine. I think that is good. It
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: does exist in some sets where recursion, and that's where
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: it can also become very powerful. Is that it's not
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that you see it once for tack cycle. You might
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: see it two or three times per text cycle. And
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: it's not limited. One like the fact that they seem
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: to really drop the limit one stuff as much as
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: its too seems seems weird.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Especially with so much recursion. Yeah, that's what That's what
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: kind of drives me nuts. And some of these the
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: speed on some of these fucking decks is crazy. So
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: you're seeing you're seeing a card two three times a game.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, you definitely see cards multiple times a game these
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: days for sure.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: So this against all Flags does have the impact because
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: of the common slot and then the smaller card pool
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: that was already touched upon. The problem is is that
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: we compare it to previous cards, and I think seeing
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: this against Swindle where it has both Alpha and Omega
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: no amber pit printed on it, but Steel three. Okay,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: so I have the same amount of amber that I'm
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: generating realistically, but I don't have the huge downside of
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Alpha and Omega for this, and I could play multiple
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: in a turn like thank you, this is awesome. I
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: really think this deals more with the amber pit being
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: on it. I think that actually the steel too is
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: perfectly fine. It just doesn't need to have that amber
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: pip so. And there are times, I mean you saw
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: in my game I was playing against all Legs. There
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: are ways to be able to utilize Skyborn in order
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: to shift some cards, but there's some times where you
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: just can't play creatures or your opponent doesn't have creatures
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: set up and you only.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Get it as the one.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Sad, but it's still a good card there, all.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Right, DRez you said, how about seventy two more?
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: So?
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I do so all right, how about another category. Yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: this category is called they wrote it wrong, so hoaxpitality.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure this card does not do what they
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: intended it to do. It's an action equaedon in Grim Reminders,
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: play choose an enemy creature and a friendly creature. Until
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: the end of the turn. The friendly creature's power is
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: equal to the enemy creature's power, which does basically nothing.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: This card is a basically nothing card.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: Right like, But they clearly meant it to do something different,
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: right Like.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: No, it meant it's I get to be as big
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: as your biggest creature so I can punch it if
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I need to. It's a bad card.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: I like, I don't think like to me, it reads
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: like they meant it the other way around or something
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: right that that? Well, actually, I'm gonna make your creature
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: as strong as mine, So it's like that, and it
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: does well damaged or something.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so you want it already damaged so it
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: can be punted. You want it to be able to
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: modify so you can fight it with something bigger. Those
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: are the reasons.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Yes, the art is clearly like trying to be devious trickery.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: There's nothing devious or tricksy about this card. It's just
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: he just doesn't do what they intended it to do meaningless.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And so come on, guys.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, what what other cards you got in this?
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Because I've got destructive analysis? Okay that was on my
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: list yep, yep, so let me pull it up real quick.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: So destructive analysis. So it's a Mars action with the
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: number PIP on it play deal too damage to a creature.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: You may purge any number of cards from your archives
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: to deal an additional two damage to the same creature
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: for each card purge this way. This is in mar
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: you know a number of sets, and but.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Give you ways to capture opponent's cards into your hand
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: earned your archives exactly.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: So the the whole thought, the immediate thing everybody's saying is, ooh,
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: got to purge my opponent's cards. That's really cool because
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: it would be really cool and still not that strong,
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: but I'm not, like I would be pretty good, but
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: like it's not not broken or anything.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: But no, the way they have the rules written, it
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't work.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: But it's not though they have a cued this like
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: junk to work this way. Like this is one of
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: those ones where they're like, oh, this is how we
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: decide the rules work, and it has it's counterintuitive to
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: what anybody would expect mm hmmm, which is when anytime
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: an opponent's card leaves your archives, it immediately goes back
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: to their hand, and any of the other effects that
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: may have existed for a card leaving archives don't happen,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: like which it's not there to purge, so you don't
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: get to do the two damage. It's it's just it's weird.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: It's that the whole out of play and there's other
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: weird stuff that I can remember all the weird rules
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: because we talked about before, but out of play zone,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like they keep writing cards that do it,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: but don't think about how right now the rules are
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: written and are impacting them right because they are just
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I think what you're really getting at is the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: templating is inconsistent.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: But that's not even templating that was It's clear what
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: the card designer wanted, but the rules writer wrote the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: rules differently, and they won't go back and fix it.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I can't disagree with that because it makes some it
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: does make some other weird gray areas because it's the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: whole thing, right, scoop up to one of the ones,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: because if you when you scoop up a card, that like,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: it doesn't tell you what to do with a card
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: when you scoop up a card you stole from your opponent.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: And there's some thing in the rules where it's like
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the cards go back unless the rules tell you what
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: else to do with them, or something about they can't
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: even go in there. There's something about like a card
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you can't even archive in an opponent's card unless it's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: also the card also tells you where the card is
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: supposed to be going when it leaves the archives. It's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: it's such weird rules stuff, and it just it's it's again,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: it's where it's like, what's the least intuitive thing we
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: could have come up with? Let's make that what's going
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: on here?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: The final they wrote it wrong that I have is
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: key hammer, which which also borders into another category have
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: which is new player traps. But but I put it
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: and they wrote it wrong, So key hammer, it's a disaction.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: It's got a number play. If your opponent forged a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: key on their previous turn unforged period, your opponent gains
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: six Amber. So I think it seems pretty clear what
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: they attended is hey, not a period.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: We're basically, hey give them six mber.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah if you do, right, But nope, that's not how
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: it's written.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: And they just ran with it.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: And this is definitely screws up new players and leads to.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they even just they just I'm pretty sure they
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: made this on legacyable and then just made the new
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: verbon of the card.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, there was one more. I'll have to my brain
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: comes back to it. There's another miswritten card, and now
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: Well, there's a minor one, right, there's the one they
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: didn't put the they put may and uh, is that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: what you're thinking of the backup something or other?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Well, no, there was the original. I mean, like you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: there's anything they rotted. But no, the other one where they.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I think, is that what you're going with?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: No. So the other one that I think that they
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: wrote wrong was the Brobnar card that gives Perma skirmish.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, right.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Which it was clearly probably to have the same window
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: or for this turn, but they didn't put it on
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: the card. So it says if you're haunted, Ready and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: fight with a creature. It gains skirmish period. There's no
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: ending on the skirmish effects. So like, there's this, but
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: it's not a counter, right, because every other time they
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: give permanent effects, they like do counters, or they it's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: a card while this card doesn't play or something. But
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, there's this one card that
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: exists somewhere that's like, here's a way to add a
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: permanent effect to a card that wants the cards in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the discard card. It's gone. You don't remember. There's no
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: indicator that this has happened. It stays that way for ever.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: But then but also if you were to bounce that
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: creature to your hand and put it back in the play,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: it loses it. But because there's no tracking on it
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is just like a sloppy It is just a sloppy
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: thing that they wrote, and it's instead of a rotting
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: that card, they're just like, yeah, it's fine.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: It's fight to the end. So Amber Pit, Fight to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: the end Action Play Tuesday Friendly creature period. If you're haunted, Kamma,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: that creature gained skirmish period. Ready and fight with that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: creature period.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it could have just said instead Comma ready
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and fight or this games skirmish for this fight. Like,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: there's so many things they could have wrote there. They
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: could just erat on the card. And it's again, I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: don't actually think it's too powerful that it needs to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: be taken away because it's game breaking. I think they
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: need to take it away because it's another stupid thing
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: to try to track in a game that's already got
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: too many stupid things for tracking.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Hm.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: That is also not consistent with anything else in the game.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Yep, all right, I had I had a quick category
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: of what were they thinking this? This is us our
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: sweet card called Early Birds Shadows card, two Amber Pips
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Alpha Play Ready each Shadows card. I know what they did,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: but the amount of cards that actually will exhaust your
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: creatures ahead of time, it has almost no effect, Like
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: there are a number of Yeah, it has the umber
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: that's there, but like, seriously, why why why did we
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: why do we take a slot with this? This was
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: not needed.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: This was a horrible It's not even like it's in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: some of the other houses that have ways of creating
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: tokens off house so you could be like, oh, I ready,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: all those tokens I made on your turn.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Has anybody ever actually ready to creature with this?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Nope, I'm certain somebody has, but it is not us.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I observe somebody.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: It was not me, but I have played it for
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: ember before I have my next card.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, grinds my gears. It's crespecular rays. It was on mine.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, twins.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: This is the card where they're like, and it's like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: it already existed in a worse form and was pretty good,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: and they're like, well, let's make it better and then
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: put it in a house that has two cards that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: make it so you card this and a card that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: basically captures all of your opponent's amber.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Repeatedly, so we're back on recursion. Interesting.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's yes, and the in here Somewhere or specula.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Rays and veil.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: It's just like, really like, there's no answer for that.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: As long as they have a creature in hand, they
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: play their creature. Their deck, you know, is wherever they
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: capture all your amber, they kill it and get all
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: the amber and then go in here somewhere. I put
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: it back and then like maybe even another in here
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: somewhere and I archive the creature and the other and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: the first in here somewhere, So I'm mostly gonna do
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: this stuff again at least like you could play around
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: uh sink Semper because you could maybe put a bigger
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: power creature into play, right, there were there were ways
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to make Sinksimper not just a guaranteed fire crap raise
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: is just crap raise, right, It's just like bam, space
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: dollars belong to me.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: See.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: But this is again where the designer of the set
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: should have been like, oh, maybe we don't reprint Veil
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: back into this set, and that fixes this card, does
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: it not?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I mean not perfectly still has discard cards and that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: house still can capture, but yes, veil crap raise together
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: is like, yeah, that sounds prettiestly.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it becomes in a house, which shows up a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: lot more frequently. You will have some of your specialty
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: creatures that can do a whole bunch of capture, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: so that is devastating, but it would be less rare
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: than in the house.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Or your your opponent has a turn to respond during
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: that time, right, Like they can stop it by just
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: killing the creature.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Right most of the time, yes, but yes, when it's
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: in the house. I was actually thinking of more of
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: our amber sky's sky beasts, Like there's a number of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: sky beasts that will go ahead and capture a whole bunch,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: and so it would be less rare that you would
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: end up with your Crispialley rays plus than your sky beast.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: And so that's where we're really looking at it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let alone with the way it works in amber skies,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you can have prospecular rays with an enhanced drumble. That
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff exists too. That it's just like, come on, man,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: this is this is just And then, like I said,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: in here somewhere, so they just set it up again
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I don't have a ki cheet,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: so ah, what can I do? Not a whole lot?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: This is too powerful.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: That's ship started where it's like certain cards are like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: too powerful, need to ride immediately. And here what about
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: all these other cards that are clearly like they were
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: done wrong? Yeah, but the cards were a lot of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: the cards. Some of these cards crap rays. In here
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: somewhere with a veil is more of an archon problem
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: than how often it shows up and sealed, Like the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: the thing with echo echdo and why I think they
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: got it is because it just it was like bait
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: and switch is like you would pick a deck just
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: because of that card, because it was that strong, which
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: made it that impactful. Not saying they had to have
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: read it, I'm saying that's the reason, and it doesn't
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: bother me that that's why they did it. It's not
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: because of how good it is an ARCon because.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Well, but the idea for a key sheet when part
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: of the game is that you're going to be having
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: cards in your discard pile, there's already inherent lean towards that,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: and now I have an amber pip on it with
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: a reduced cost. Yes, please, this is a great key sheet.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Acto was also just too good because it's in the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: house where it's like, even if I get the card early,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I most likely have a way to just have it
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: for later. So it was almost I guaranteed freak key
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: when it was before they were at it, It's just
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to I'm only playing the two keys,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you're playing to three keys, and I already have the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: best house in this set.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: So let's go, all right, we got any more? Oh,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I got a whole bunch more.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: All right, well, let's let's give a few. Don't do
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: every single one, but so so there's definitely some cards
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: that well, I think my actually better name is what
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: I would I actually change it to before, for it
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: was a tease, right where like we sand was theoretically
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: interesting but actually terrible.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Right, terrible.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: I remember card YEP. I remember early on when I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: was first starting to play this game, I got this
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: card that like I read it and I was like, oh,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: it sounds cool, but then I realized it basically never
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: does anything. So it's way back. You got to take
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: the way back machine to the Code of Days. This
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: is a Logos creature Osmo Martianologist. It's it's a two
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: power human scientist elusive.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: When you thought this car was going to do something.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: I what fight CEP heal three damage from a Mars
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: creature or stun a Mars creature, But like you don't.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: It doesn't come in a deck necessarily that Mars and ye,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: so you're not guaranteed to be able to heal a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: Mars creature, which by the way, is a terrible action, uh,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: a terrible ability. And you know in those Code of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Days like Mars, except for like you know, fraud in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: a couple of decks. Like, there's not a ton of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: amazing mars out there, so this card basically does nothing. Yeah,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: and and it's a tease because there was something interesting
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: with how they could have done things with the algorithm
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: and decks, but instead it does nothing.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, that card does nothing.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Other cards that do nothing. I still have yet to
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: actually pull a deck with this sweet insect grouping the bomblicks.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Bomble X one.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go. See the those are what
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I actually look for when you can actually do something
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: because they're just they're taking up multiple slots, so when
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: you have three slots out of twelve, sad pan.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: They were like a worst version of a gigantic creature. Yeah,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: but in that same similar like garbage vein, but they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: didn't have a they're there fix our s order. Thing
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't good, like like the the guy from Robner who
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: is also really bad.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Well, we're going, I got in the green. Oh I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: hate I got on the green.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I're going, We're going.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: That could have been good. What about the Power Rangers, Yeah,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: they're they.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Were good and sealed, man, there's a lot of sealed
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: games Power Rangers.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: They could have done okay and sealed. Yeah, the how
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: about the curator? Anybody ever actually get value curator?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Wait? Which was the curator?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: Logos logos creature three power, human scientists, friendly artifacts, enter play,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: no curator never. I I don't think I've ever heard.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Was it somebody trying to build a alliance that was
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: going to use the curator? Probably that's about the only
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: way you could do anything with it.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: And all alliance people are weird, Yeah, like for I, yeah,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: I was. I remember being like, oh, there's got to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: be a way to make this good, and it's it
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: just never it's uh, it's aa flightless, it's in a way.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: The so there's not that many great artifacts that you
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: wish could come in ready in AOA.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: So it just just doesn't do anything.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: No, I was a real bad card so on artifacts,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: since we're talking about these amazing artifacts, uh NEPA gigantica
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: sweet untamed artifact item action, stunned creature with power five
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: or higher or stunned gigantic creature slow doesn't do anything, yeah,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: or a giant creature like oh my goodness, why just
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: why why so bad?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Because untamed was once almost good. It's like these cards
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: are boring in every way, right, like.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't it never does anything.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: My my, the my trap card is Niche Market.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah your Niche Market.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Niche Market. It's it's a bad card. You shouldn't play it,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and you can get more than.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: One of them. Mm hmmm.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: And it gives them action, right, it doesn't even it's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: not even on reap, Right, there's Niche.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's you.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember so bad because like I stay
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: around from the Niche Market action. Yes, it gives it
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: creatures with the lowest power game action steel one. So
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: like multiple of them aren't even helpful. Yeah, yes, this
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: card is. And it's got the Amber Pip trapp on it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: And like every time I've ever seen my every time
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I've seen it played, it's my opponent plays it and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: then I'm the one who abuses it.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Well, but I think that you can actually look at
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: and see do I have creatures of the lowest power especially.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: But just still can't guarantee you control this and giving
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: your opponent Amber control is just like to me is
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: just like a no, no dumb dumb move. I can't
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: disagree this is I mean, like it's the only time
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I've ever played this card. It was probably because I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: had so much board control that they were never going
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: to have a creature on the board. You know. I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: was already up five six creatures to their nothing. So
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, and I'm about to win the game,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: so I'll just take the amber Pip to stick the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: nail on the coffin. But this card is bad. I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: think Pete might have been one of the guys who
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: played it against me and I abused him for it.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: He probably played I said, Pete, what are you doing?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: He's like, it's fine, and would you would be a Pete?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Frequently he even remembers the date.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: That's so yeah, new player traps, that's one of them.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: Most of the ships, right, like the Eruption, All these
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: ships where you like exalt them a bunch of times
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: and just give your opponent ember because you're like, it's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: a big ship.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: The garbage upgrades they come with it is insulting. And
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: then like the good ship, the good ships then also
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: came with good upgrades, like the Probner ship's bad and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: then it comes with two badish upgrades hmm. And then
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: the logo ship is good and comes up to good.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Upgrades right and doesn't exalt itself.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're just like, what the heck.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: So here, here's here's my philosophy on this totally unbiased,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: actual background checked at all. But I believe that there's
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: just different people working on each individual house, and so
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: one works on it says, hey, these ships are good,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: and now they're done, and this player X now goes
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: out and says, oh, this house, now their ships are done,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: and they never just cross checked at all. That's what
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: it feels like to me. And it's horrible to see
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: the discrepancy between these ships.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: I mean is at the right hand of the left hand,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: like they don't too many people working.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: On this gamee Yeah, I understand I'm designing cards in
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: the morning or and these other ones I'm designing at
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: six pm after three beers.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Well, but it's like.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: Which is better though, Yeah, I don't know better. That's
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: actually interesting question. We should we should measure that it
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: could be the later one.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: You never know, the drunk cards are the better cards.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: That that would be a very interesting question.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ships are a straight up discipline and that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: they come with upgrades and you know, it's just like
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: upgrades are already questionable value cards in this game, and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: then you might have them and helping to play them
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: on or you play and they have an amber. It's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: just like I getting a bunch of upgrades that also
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: when you start looking at the upgrades don't necessarily even
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: make meaningfully improvements to the ships they came with. Yeah
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: like that, it wouldn't even be your target for the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: upgrade anyways, that ship was. It was your only choice.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah that they they don't really grind my gear.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: That's just like that. That's right there in the blasters
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, where like someone were good, someone were bad.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: You know where there's they're trying this like, oh, we
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: want to add something to every house, but we have
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: no idea how to make this insistently good or bad.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: So we'll just do somebob both and see what people
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: think are fun. It's like the shards too.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well the new ones are good.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: But yes, yes, I'll say the new ones are fine.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: But has there ever been I'm trying to think of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: a series of cards that all the car like the leaders,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Like what were two leaders good? Valgerica Valgerica.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah he was pretty goods were pretty much all
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: bad except for the new ones.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't believe. I understand they didn't want
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: to put any new cards in Discovery, but to put
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: shards in Discovery and not make a shard for Star
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Alliance just seems like such a kick in the.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: You could make the argument on Sins as a grouping
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: that is decent.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: So Sins are cool.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of like any of the cards
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: that had like a thing, like even the Horsemen like, but.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: That was one house, you know, like the things that
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of, But that's just there's just in there
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: was the the what are the bad ones and shadows
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: that likes know that you gained amber for the house, plants,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: the plants, but they didn't do anything interesting with that.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Those were bad. The the Sanctum cards, Ambassadors, Ambassadors, Ambassadors
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: another but that was the same thing as plants, where
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: it was just like here's one card that can have
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: one of you know, it can have all the different
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: houses on it. But what else did they pick? And
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: then first one like they did the makes a token
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: in Archives card, that's one where you feel like it's
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: misprinted because Nicetoid.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Didn't get your your outposts.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I will outpost.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: They're pretty good often pay Yeah, and they brought actually
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: value in token set because you could pull back key
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: cards that you needed.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think they did pretty good. Like most
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: of them were not bad cards.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like the idea of being able to try
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: different tactics, to try different fassets. I think I really
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: need to ask the GG team when we look at
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: the amass four power demon each time your opponent draws
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: a card, make a token creature on your right flank.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Was this early in the morning or was this after beers,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: because those are the cards that I want to do
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: some more planning around that. That's where my question is gonna.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Ask, even even the make a token every time of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: creature is destroyed beyond all darkness.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Dark especially Okay, So here's the thing about Beyond All Darkness.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: It's sitting at uncommon. So when you get multiples.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: Yes, ding ding ding, it's just and and and it's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: in the house with the the fighting creatures of the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: board wipes and the creatures that want to die.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: But I gained the benefit by your creature dying and
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: my creature. Let's have fun with this.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: So we are missing by the way, in my opinion,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: one of the creates terrible play experience cards, and that
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: card is Urka Noometer.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Oh nope, I had it. I had in my list. Man.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: So so for a while I.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: Was trying, I was like whoa, and I was I
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: was out there, I was, you know, a, yeah, I'm
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: gonna get one of these U House Enhanced Arkonomics.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: That's when becomes I was playing it, and I just
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: I just felt dirtier and dirtier.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: And like a person.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and not like you know, a wookie, sort of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: like happy about it way like in a like I'm
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: just a bad person for doing this, and.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: I just don't want to shame afterwards.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I I found some that were pretty good,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: but I was just like, no, I'm not I'm not
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: even gonna.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: I can't play this against Yeah, yeah, I'm so my
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: just send those links over to me.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: In general, looked them.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Over, just you know, heads up on that one.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: They they took the step up on artifact quality again
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: in Amber Skies, which isn't necessarily bad until they went
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: but then let's house and handsome, so you can use
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: the two thirds of the game and that's when and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: that's just that's the difference between amber Sky's being okay
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: and the amber Sky's decks that are going to direct
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: people's faces. Are these house enhanced artifacts that just become
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: game warpingly strong, so hide.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: Before we get there. I think that our knometer simply
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: should have said creature or action, like being a little
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: bit more specific versus just card where it's general really
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: would have helped to because.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: The action is basically the cards right or action he's saying.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: But by going ahead in place as or it gives
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: an out because when you face ur Kainometer and it,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: especially if it's enhanced, it's just like you're losing amber
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: You have to have mar Reap Shenanigans to beat it,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: like you're not. You're not going to beat it with
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: traditional I mean control, yes, but.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not every deck has artifact control. We can't guarantee
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: it's going to be there.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's going to be interesting to see after
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: two or three events if house enhanced amber Sky's decks
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: are good enough and we see them hitting top tables,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: if some decks that don't have art r have to
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: get shelved like an Aria because you just like, I
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: don't have our and I keep getting beat by these
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: stupid amber Skis artifacts.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true, it's not.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: It's not other sets. It's just amber Sky's artifacts.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Interesting.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: Let's do one more and then send her home. What
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: you got, you're probably the last one with with kai I,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: you you have amazing All right.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's do one. Let's end on a totally
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: boring note. Hollowed blaster.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like what this this card and dive pod.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Dive pods always been one that I throw on this pile.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: That's another.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Niffle grounds often fits in this file.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's it's a Sanctum artifact in coda,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: thankfully only coda. It's a weapon for some reason. Uh
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: action heal three damage from a creature, No ember on it.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: It it doesn't matter, like it just doesn't do anything
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: or it's just it's just boring.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Why would you?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's bad. This is one of those cards
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: where they can even head it like, Okay, you could
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: say heal a creature fully and it still wouldn't be
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: good enough to matter. You can almost say I'll he'll
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: all damage on your creatures and the card still wouldn't matter.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe that would be good enough.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Oh probably not mean yeah, probably not. No, hollow blaster
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: is bad. Yeah, it's another card that just does it.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: Like this is one of those times where you question
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: the you know, well, card games need bad cards. It's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: like do they though, yeah, this card doesn't. We need
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: to make interesting things.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Happen, right right, like you just yeah, the most exciting
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: thing you have is if you reshuffle it didn't get
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: shuffled in. That is the most exciting thing that happens
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: with that car.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: The card that should have had amber printed on it,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: and a lot of it. Honestly, if it had omni okay,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: maybe they.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Should have had heel a three two three if it
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: heals three amber, yeah, something something like that, like, and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: it still wouldn't be a good car.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: I think to say, if it heal damage this turn
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: gain a number or gain gain one umber for each
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: damage it could make it just be heal something and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: gain two amber. And because it's an aoa synctom, it
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: still wouldn't.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Be a good car. Maybe flightless as triple deck would
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: then go from a forty two dumpster to a fifty
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: two dumpster. I have actually no idea what it's but
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta assume anything with three alive bastards is gonna
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: be real bad.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: But it's just like, yeah, that, like that card is
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: so far from being meaningful.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: They could.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: They could power it up a ton and it still
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't make a difference.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: Alrighty, well, that's gonna do it for us this week.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: Let us know what your uh what cards really grind
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: your gears? Or for all our youngers out there, skimmity toilet,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: no cap, put that down. Put it down in the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: uh the comments down below. We'll probably do another one
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: of these because it's draftscore has fifty seven more.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: I got a bunch more. I mean, if we just
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: put all dog water cards, does grind your gears?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Wait, let's talk about troche and sorrow pot Jesus, we'll
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: save that for next time. No, Keith Forde doesn't just grind,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: but sometimes it grinds my gears. When you look at
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: your deck and you're like, what what what is what?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Even is this?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you open a deck.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: And you see triples of some cardo, you should feel
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: some sort of shame for even selling this to me. Yeah,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: how how did the algorithm even make this like this? Jonavan,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: this is a this is a stroll back, but well,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: we'll go through those another day.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you all for listening. We'll see y'all next week.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Happy forging everyone, May the Forge be with you.