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#398 - Kai Cao of DesignerCon · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Right, man, Bootleg cap Podcast special guests here, returning guests.
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  Speaker 1: It is Designer Con season.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: We got the homie Kevin from three D Retro and
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  Speaker 1: Designer Con in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Wellkome man, thank you for having me again. It's the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this year, big year. How many years in a row?
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  Speaker 1: sure yo, So this year too, man like for people
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  Speaker 1: who don't know. If you guys didn't see, we had
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  Speaker 1: Kevin on the show last year. Designer con is a
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  Speaker 1: really dope convention that is in Orange County every year.
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  Speaker 1: Well not every year, right, It's been in different places.
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  Speaker 3: It's been different places. For the first thirteen years it
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  Speaker 3: was in Pasadena, but OC's kind of the home now
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  Speaker 3: the home now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's how would you describe what Designer kan is.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of got to walk through it to really
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  Speaker 1: get a feel for it. But if you had to
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  Speaker 1: describe it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if I had to describe it, it's like it's
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  Speaker 3: like a toy convention, but with emphasis on the art
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  Speaker 3: and artists. So it's a lot of individual artists having
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  Speaker 3: independent toys. But then you get the bigger companies that
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  Speaker 3: has more of a limited edition feel to it. But
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  Speaker 3: it's not like mass produced, not like Mattel or Hasbro.
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  Speaker 2: They're not there.
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  Speaker 3: It's guy's like overseas like Meticom, Toy PopMart that makes
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  Speaker 3: we call it mass produced, but the tech not to
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  Speaker 3: US standards. They're more limited edition runs. What they do
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  Speaker 3: is once they make something, once it's sold out, gonna
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  Speaker 3: gone forever.
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  Speaker 2: It's gone forever. Yeah, I look back. Yeah, so like
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  Speaker 2: you could walk around.
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  Speaker 1: There's different toys, there's different artists selling like prints and like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's collaborations between artists and toys, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's like dope. Especially.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like if you got kids, uh, you also
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  Speaker 1: could be a grown up because I enjoyed myself. But
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  Speaker 1: I took my son who was eight years old, and
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  Speaker 1: he just loved it. I mean I spent a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of money on ship that he didn't understand what he
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  Speaker 1: was buying. We were on the look for squish mellows everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: See you might not. You probably didn't find that.
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  Speaker 1: No we didn't, but no, actually there was some one
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  Speaker 1: one random booth had squish mellows.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not a lot of that, right, but it's
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  Speaker 3: like I feel like you can take your kids there
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  Speaker 3: and then inspires them. There's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 3: they will open their eyes cool and just cool sets.
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  Speaker 1: Like there was like some guy in jail I think
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  Speaker 1: there was yet, Yeah, it was it was super cool.
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  Speaker 3: People are creative for sure, they're artists. They have to
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  Speaker 3: know they they think outside of box.
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  Speaker 2: For their booth, you know.
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  Speaker 1: You every year you guys do limited edition Bear Bricks
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  Speaker 1: for Designer con only.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's correct, right, partner of with different artists every year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like last year, I think I got like the
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  Speaker 1: limited edition box that was the designer branding. I still
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  Speaker 1: have that this year. Talk about some of the because
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  Speaker 1: I last year the guy I always forget his name,
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  Speaker 1: the Obey guy, I have.
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  Speaker 3: The Bear Shepherd fairry. This year we got Bobby Hundreds.
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  Speaker 3: We got Bobby Hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: Who is who was a part of like the Bare
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  Speaker 2: Brick exclusives this year, so we have Shephard coming back.
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  Speaker 3: He's doing the one thousand percent of the ones that
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  Speaker 3: we released last year, so it's a thousand percent which
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  Speaker 3: is a bigger version. And then he's we're also doing
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  Speaker 3: one that it's called the Make Art Not War Design,
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  Speaker 3: which he posted earlier this year. I think, without getting political,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like this is the right time.
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  Speaker 2: For sure for that message. I agree, So I think
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  Speaker 2: we feel like we should release this this year.
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  Speaker 3: So we're doing that. And then the artists, we have
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  Speaker 3: Bobby hundreds to hundreds, Ben hundreds. They are celebrating their
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  Speaker 3: twentieth anniversary this year. So we came together a few
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  Speaker 3: years ago knowing the fact that it's twenty years this year,
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  Speaker 3: they have never done a bear brick. We kind of
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  Speaker 3: help collaborate, you know, facilitate that and to celebrate the
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  Speaker 3: twentieth anniversary. So we'll have a special signing with them
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  Speaker 3: at the show and the release will be a Designer con.
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  Speaker 3: Another one will be Davs Mila. They're artist dual. They're
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  Speaker 3: located in La They do a lot of super bright
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  Speaker 3: flower paintings, graffiti La Muros. They're part of the Beyond
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  Speaker 3: the Street crew that world. So they have never done
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  Speaker 3: a bear brick and we'll have one with them as well.
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  Speaker 3: And then we have this purple one right here. This
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  Speaker 3: one is so fly. So this is a musician. He's
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  Speaker 3: a singer songwriter from Singapore. The name is JJ Linn.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of my personal favorite artists. You said he's
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  Speaker 3: like that Michael Jackson. I call him Michael Jackson of Asia.
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  Speaker 3: Voice is incredible as a singer. You know a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people use this what do you call auto tune?
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  Speaker 2: Not him.
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  Speaker 3: You will go to one of his concerts, like in
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  Speaker 3: the early especially early days when he was younger, you
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  Speaker 3: could hear the voice without the auto tune was beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: He did suffered a little bit of a vocal things
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  Speaker 3: straight maybe seven years.
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  Speaker 2: Ago being You've recovered.
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  Speaker 3: So it is his twentieth anniversary as a singer songwriter
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  Speaker 3: coming out.
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  Speaker 2: This year as well, so he has a world tour.
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  Speaker 3: Because we knew that we kind of want to celebrate
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  Speaker 3: with a special collab. We went to Meticom saying because
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  Speaker 3: they had a US stop in the US earlier this year,
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to come out at that time with the
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  Speaker 3: smaller one and then do the bigger one at Designer Can. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: with manufacturing, shit happen should happen, so we decided to
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  Speaker 3: move it all to Designer Can. He just wrapped up
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  Speaker 3: his tour in China, so he's a conniversary tour. He
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  Speaker 3: just wrapped up the tour in China, so he'll be there,
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  Speaker 3: he'll be here, He'll be a Designer Cam Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you know for people who if they let's say,
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  Speaker 1: they're like I want to go and I'm want to
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  Speaker 1: get some of these limitedition things.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I went last year and I messed up.
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  Speaker 1: I went on Sunday, so a lot of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to buy was just gone Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Friday Friday is the play. So Friday is well, how limited?
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  Speaker 1: Like for example, let's say these two how limited are these?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to say a number, but under a thousand?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you got to get there for.
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  Speaker 3: That size under a thousand sometimes on the bigger versions,
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  Speaker 3: under is under five hundred pieces have you?
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like bear brig have kind of like
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  Speaker 1: became like this iconic. I feel like it's an entry
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  Speaker 1: point for a lot of people into art and the toys.
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people who are kind of like
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  Speaker 1: generic street where guys who wear Supreme and whatever whatever
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  Speaker 1: you you might go to their house and they got
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  Speaker 1: bear bricks on the side of their TVs.
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  Speaker 2: It's synonymous.
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  Speaker 1: It feels very like much like an entry point for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people to get into art, to get
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  Speaker 1: into the toy game. For you, like you've obviously you
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  Speaker 1: guys had three d retro carry a bunch of dope
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  Speaker 1: bear bricks. You guys just moved to Vegas from La Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Is there like there's bootleg bear bricks?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yes? So how do you tell, like if it
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  Speaker 2: can you tell if it's a fake bear brick or not?
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  Speaker 3: I can tell if I have it in my hand.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of the finish, you know how the figures made.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's the thing now yea, yeah, like there's bootleg toys.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know this.
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  Speaker 1: Like recently, I was on Amazon and my son, no,
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  Speaker 1: this will happen. My son sent me is Christmas Liss
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  Speaker 1: like maybe three weeks ago, and he sent me everything
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon, and he sent me a fake cause toy
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon, and I was like, they're selling a twenty
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  Speaker 1: dollars couse toy on Amazon, Like, what the fuck is
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, cause there's a lot of blue leg on that.
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  Speaker 3: Especially once you get it, you'll see it's completely different
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  Speaker 3: the original stuff or the real stuff that he sells
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  Speaker 3: now with medical So on the bottom of these guys,
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  Speaker 3: there's a sticker, so that is the NFC authentication, So
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  Speaker 3: if you have your phone or anything like that, you
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  Speaker 3: scan it, you'll tell you it's an authentic product on
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  Speaker 3: Medicon So they started doing that.
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  Speaker 2: One to come back. So you gotta look out for
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  Speaker 2: the sticker.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta look out for. But another thing is it's
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  Speaker 3: just a finish overall. A lot of these are super.
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  Speaker 1: Smooth, Like I couldn't imagine somebody pulling off like a
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  Speaker 1: legit like this is a very high level toy.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's not easy to This is crazy to duplicate, right,
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  Speaker 3: so they don't do everything they do super popular or
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  Speaker 3: simple designs or just a blank one.
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  Speaker 1: What is your in your opinion, at all the bare bricks,
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  Speaker 1: what's like the one everyone has?
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  Speaker 2: What's the most popular, what's the one everybody has?
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  Speaker 1: What's the most what's like what's the most like generic
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  Speaker 1: bare brick? Like you was like, ah, like, it's like
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  Speaker 1: easy to get that. Most people have.
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  Speaker 3: I will say a licensed character like a like a
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  Speaker 3: Mickey or on those type of snoopy, you know, those
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  Speaker 3: type of character ones or superheroes like Batman, Superman.
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  Speaker 2: Those those are.
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  Speaker 3: On the basic like somebody that just got into this,
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  Speaker 3: right or what have right? Like I think most of
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  Speaker 3: us love playing action figures growing up. So for us,
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  Speaker 3: those ips are.
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  Speaker 2: The first one you gravitate to it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So when you look at a Baar brick, and
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  Speaker 3: if you see an American IP, most Americans will go
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  Speaker 3: towards that, like Batman, Superman.
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  Speaker 1: What about what's the holy Grail? What's the two or
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  Speaker 1: three holy grail ones? I'm sure you probably have one.
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  Speaker 3: I think the holy I don't have the Holy Grail
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  Speaker 3: considered by a lot of people. There's a good piece, right,
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  Speaker 3: you have to be a VIP. Ben Baller has one,
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  Speaker 3: but you have to be a VIP on the list.
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  Speaker 3: They make like a super limited amount. It was only
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  Speaker 3: for Gucci's Gucci store.
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  Speaker 1: And what is that if on the on the on
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  Speaker 1: the aftermarket six digits? What's the most expensive because we
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  Speaker 1: talked about your toy collection last time, Yeah, it's pretty extensive.
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  Speaker 2: What is your like, Holy grailed, bare brick at your crib.
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  Speaker 2: I have a couple of.
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  Speaker 3: Causes that's worth it about twenty twenty five each, damn
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  Speaker 3: you know, so depending the market, Well, the market was great,
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  Speaker 3: it was here, so right now it's probably that price.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy too because like I see you know, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I have an addictive personality, which is why I haven't
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  Speaker 1: diving in too much into the toy game because I
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  Speaker 1: am in I like, I'm into comics and I'm into sports,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like the perfect mark to just eventually turn
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  Speaker 1: into DJ Amen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Amen, he's a fucking psacho path a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: He's Uh, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It collects everything at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And I wonder for you though, like, uh, you know
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  Speaker 1: if anybody, I mean, you've you've kind of seen it,
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  Speaker 1: Like where do most people kind of start their toy collection,
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  Speaker 1: like it like based on because you're on the retail
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  Speaker 1: side too, so you see a lot of toys. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you'll see somebody come in for the first time
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  Speaker 1: and then two years later you're like, man, we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: you every week.
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  Speaker 3: There's for us, the entry level will be the blind box,
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  Speaker 3: the little mystery boxes like when you're a kid, the
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  Speaker 3: booster pack of course, so a lot of the brands
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  Speaker 3: do that, like Bay Breaks, the smaller version. They come
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  Speaker 3: in blind boxes you can buy for seven dollars.
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  Speaker 2: You never know what you're gonna get. Number one you'll get.
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  Speaker 3: There's like plenty of design choos from. So that's like
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  Speaker 3: the entry level drug I call it. You get addicted
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  Speaker 3: to opening.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like the cards, right, the bastall cards, because
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  Speaker 1: you crack a pack and you're like, shit, I gotta and.
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  Speaker 3: Then if you get the super rare one, it's worth
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  Speaker 3: a lot of money, super red oh you get keep going, right,
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's for me. That's what I see a
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  Speaker 3: lot of entry level people the blind boxes, and then
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  Speaker 3: once they get into it. They're like they find artists
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  Speaker 3: that they like. They gravitates to whatever artists are, from
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  Speaker 3: Cause to Steven Harrington to you know all these wrong
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  Speaker 3: English gear basement, all these guys part of our world.
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  Speaker 3: They start finding what they like for their house, for
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  Speaker 3: their hobby, so they go to the different artists, like
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  Speaker 3: we can take costs.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody wants to collect costs.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of people go from friving blind boxes
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  Speaker 3: and go like, oh, my first cos piece, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of hundred bucks. And we sell them at
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  Speaker 3: the store too, because we have some of our personal
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  Speaker 3: question nothing for wholesale.
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  Speaker 2: They eat the new wholesale.
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  Speaker 3: Then we get a couple of extra pieces and we
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  Speaker 3: sell it to our store VIPs. But they get addicted
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  Speaker 3: to that once they have their first piece. Oh I
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  Speaker 3: want to second piece. I want a third one, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So that's how you grow, right and then once you
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  Speaker 3: get there, you're like, once you get past Cause, then
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna go like what else is there? You want
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  Speaker 3: to kind of mix different things. Then that's when you
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  Speaker 3: get too far. You're like, I have a lot of shit.
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  Speaker 3: At that point, I.
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  Speaker 1: Was gonna say, there's like another subculture of toys that is.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of somewhat very separate and
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  Speaker 1: different from this, and that's collecting wrestling figurines.
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, wrestling fingerings and bootleg wrestling figurings.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was like bootleg.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, cause like my son, we have probably no shit
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  Speaker 1: like five hundred wrestling toys from the last like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, twelve years or so. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: kind of condition they're and they're in his drawers. But
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  Speaker 1: I always told him, don't ever get rid of your toys.
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  Speaker 1: Give them to me, like my kids. My kid's eighteen now,
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  Speaker 1: for the record, so he's got all these fucking I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: never get rid of them, don't ever give them away.
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  Speaker 1: I just you know, it's maybe it's like a connection
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  Speaker 1: between him and me and his childhood. Right, but the
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  Speaker 1: wrestling game is so crazy. Has Barebrick ever did anything
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have two that just came in recently to
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  Speaker 3: people wanted people want. Yeah, it was. There's a red
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  Speaker 3: They've done WWE, so they have done four hundred percent,
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  Speaker 1: So tell me about this Jordan one that's going to
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: be because you guys just dropped the video.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Today, just dropped the video. So there's a Jordan Bear
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: brick Fire. This is the last shot nineteen ninety a
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: NBA Finals. Metacom is releasing that overseas only, so this
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: technically not for US market, but for Designer Con. They're
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: bringing a super limited amount. They got permission from Upper
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Deck NBA to release them only a Designer Con. So
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: we have less than one hundred big ones, less than
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: fifty one hundred that point amount a very small amount,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: a less than two hundred of the smaller version of
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  Speaker 3: four hundred Yeah, but like right now the buzz.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing with that one is it's going to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: be at design of come before it releases overseas. Yes,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: so how much more? Like what's the like when is
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it the general release overseas?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Again, there's it says December on their website, but I
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: think they mean US. I from what I was told,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: it was supposed to go release from here and then
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Japan stores, Singapore and Macau and that's it.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: So that's dope. Yeah, overall?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: How many pieces? It is a limited addition. I remember
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: the first one that came out was the rookie year
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: was gold. That one sold out instantly and now it's
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: worth like three four thousand Jesus so for the bigger
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  Speaker 3: size wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so for us, you know, it's a big deal
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to get this. Yeah, I was surprised. And this one
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  Speaker 2: was like it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Chrome, right, it's silver cilver Yeah, silver chrome with a
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: red Chicago bulls jersey. It's clean, it has a fourteen
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  Speaker 3: on the feet. The Jordan has a Jordan logo too.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: If it was the last shot, it was probably yeah
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the fourteen Yeah, yeah, So I wonder because during the pandemic,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: hard assets like toys like rolexes, like basketball.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Cards they shot through the roof.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they shot now a lot of that stuff. I'm
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: not sure about the toy market, but I know a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: lot of like the sports cards market and the watch
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: market is cooled off a little bit. Has the resale
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: market on the toy game chilled out a bit in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: terms of where.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: It was, Yeah, definitely in terms of let's say, taking
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the collectible business fair bricks, they were at one point
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: super hard to get everybody wanted price.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Shot up through the roof in the pandemic.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Now that's kind of just like everything else has kind
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: of gone down. That's the reason why you know, you
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: notice I haven't mentioned on Firepack because you guys do
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: it every year, right, We're not doing it this year
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: due to the market conditions.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: That's what Medicon call it, market conditions, because usually you
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: guys have the designer on the box.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, So due to the market conditions, they decided not
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: to do the fire pack this year. They want to
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: focus on these collaborations anniversaries just so that we can
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: get these out because they don't want to make too many.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: First of all, a lot of these exclusives of twentieth
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: anniversary ones were making super limited amount, and then they're
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: going to the artists and the brand, right, the hundreds
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: will have some for sale. JJ will have some for
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: his fans. So everything's very contained and limited. So the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: only way to get it is to come to the show.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, for you, how much of
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: your toy collecting is investing for later?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: How much is it?
• 20:08
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• 20:16
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• 20:18
  Speaker 2: But for you, are you?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Are you the kind of guy who's like, I'm gonna
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: buy this toy because in twenty years from now I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: might be able to cash out and retire.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I'm a fifty to fifty okay, So for me, like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: let's let's for example, let's say that Jordan Peace in
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: my head and heart, I already won five because I
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: know that's gonna be worth a lot, right, right, So
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: do I want to do I want to get fired,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of course, because I want to have one on display
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: and have four sealed. Right, That's what I want to do.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: So in my head, a lot of my stuff are
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: if it's cool and it's worth something that I can
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: see in the future. I want to get two of
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: three of That's where my collection at times.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: That's when you'll buy. You'll be like, you know what,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: almost like Wonder Rock. Want to stock with the Sneaks.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Which I do with the Sneakers too, Like I get
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: minimum two pairs of each if I can minimum, you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: like the Kobe Grinches, the Reversit.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I just gotta pay for my son.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't even get one because I missed out on that.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So I'm hoping I get there's a restock coming this weekend.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Well the actual release is this weekend, Okay, so I'm
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: gonna hope I get at least two pairs, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: but a lot of the stuff, like there's elevens even
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: though nobody wanted them this.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Year d MT.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Guess what in five years, three years, they're gonna go up.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Of course, I got two pairs. You know, I don't
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I like them too. Well, they were hard to get
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: when they first dropped. Are you about the grate fools
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that just dropped with the Gold Jordan.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: The DMP Defining Moments pay They're part of that pack. Yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: so I don't know why people are like I've been.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is like.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I just threw a few pairs up on stock X
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: just because like my man cave is a mess where
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, fuck, dude, I haven't worn these shoes
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I had for four years. Like, but there was a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: few shoes that I bought that were sitting that Like
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I got those all red threes that came out four
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: years ago and I got them for like eighty bucks
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: on clearance, and now they're going for like three fifty
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: four hundred, and I'm like, these are like I think
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I posted those or not, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it's funny. I was just I was just going through
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: all my my dead stock shoes and it's like a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: lot of these shoes that nobody wanted when they dropped.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm a three guy, so I'll buy any threes
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: as long as they're not hideous.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, these threes, these threes, these three.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Some of the fours that I have, Like I have
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: these pony hair all black premium fours that like nobody
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: wanted when they dropped, and I'm like, damn, Like it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: probably the same thing with toys two.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Well a little bit, yeah, a little bit. I think
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of times is artists too for what we're now. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: so at a certain point, if an artist right now
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: is not well known, but his stuff is relatively cheap
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and limited, you.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Buy that might because you're kind of investing in the artists.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just like cause right years ago he's not what
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: he is now, So if you had older pieces, it's
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: worth a lot more.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: So it is kind of like that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: But like like like you said about Jordan's uh, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the certain models are always good, doesn't matter what kind
• 23:13
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• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a couple of years later, they want them because they're
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: done right. They're just a limited edition. It's a limited edition.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It's a limited edition. Part of our nature. This nature.
• 23:27
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• 23:30
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• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Or next year. But once they're sold out, then you
• 23:34
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• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Second, do you remember those animal print threes that came
• 23:37
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• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Three years ago?
• 23:40
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• 23:43
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• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Now they're going for bread yeah, and there's a fire.
• 23:47
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• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I love those. Yeah, those were great.
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  Speaker 1: So for people who don't know Designer Cons this weekend,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna drop the episode tomorrow. So tomorrow will be Wednesday.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So if you're watching this, if you're in the LA area,
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  Speaker 3: Make the drive. Look, I made the drive. I moved
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  Speaker 3: Based in kind of Bourbon Glende area, Burban Glende there
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• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like because you guys were in a location
• 26:42
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• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like because I know where you guys are
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot more exposure now where we were because
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  Speaker 3: So what I found in Vegas is every from one
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• 27:20
  Speaker 1: No matter, and there was no traffic and everybody you're
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  Speaker 1: More people go to Vegas in LA. I feel like
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• 27:49
  Speaker 3: How many Disneyland trips you take per year exactly. So
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of convention on, a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 3: going on in Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: To business has been booming.
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  Speaker 3: It's been great, it's been doing well. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: next year too.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is our last year, and so if
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• 28:27
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• 28:34
  Speaker 3: we have signings, just a bunch of cool stuff. Probably
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: will see you there, the people get to see you.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: But yeah, this will be our last year. You know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: when we turn eighteen, we gotta go to leave our nest.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Hey listen, I am excited because now I have an
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: excuse to go to Vegas. Any excuse to go to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Vegas a good excuse in Vegas.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I already have things planned. Oh, it's gonna be crazy.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. Yo.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Last question I'm wondering. We talked Earli about your personal
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: collection and what is a toy you'll never sell that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you own that just means something to you that you
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: just like, that you love that just I.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Mean, I want to say never, but in terms of
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: like terms of yeah, you get jagged.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I think my car.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: There's three bark cause I have those three that's I
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: got it for retail like five hundred bucks. Now they're
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: twenty five thousand each, right, So yes, I can't sell it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: But then that's something that I don't know if I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I could personally pay twenty five grand on a toy.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do that. Yeah, right,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: so that's probably I won't sell. And then another figure
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I have was the one that got me into all
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: This was a Stuicy figure that's like a skateboarder. Stucy
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: used to sell them twenty years ago their store. That
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: was the first figure that I ever bought.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: That's what kind of got you in.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, this is cool because I'm a big guy.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I couldn't fit their clothes, right, I got to buy something.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: So by the accessories. Yeah, so like that's how I
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: got into it, Like, oh I can buy something and
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: it's a cool little figure and that kind of got
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: me into the rabbit hole of designer toys from kid
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Robot to Metcalm.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Kid Robot had a wave, man, I remember that that
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Storre in Vegas too.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Ten years, fifteen years, fifteen glorious years of and then
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: they kind of just you know, it's unfortunate.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: You know we are.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: We are celebrating the life of Frank Ozick this year
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: at the show. He unfortunately passed away this year. He
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: was the creative director of ki Robot the last few years. Yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: so like we'll remembering him there. Great panels too. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: think Amen's doing something hip hop, like I told him,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I would love him to him and Detroit
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: is curating a whole day, so Sunday will be hip
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: hop and art Like what does that mean with each other?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: A lot of artists that comes through our show, like
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: uh murrs Like he was part of a booth last year.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's got I mean he's had his own comic.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I have a signed copy of his comic books ten
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: So people in hip hop have done stuff in the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: collectibles world for sure all the time. I mean, shit
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Brun the Jewels got some sick toys, the ghost face
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: kill ushit exactly.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: So like there was a Rizid.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Toy I want to say last year that was in
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the Middle. There was like you guys said that Middle.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I forget what company it was, but they had the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: middle big booth and they had all this stuff. It
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: was like Network, Yes, and they had I think it
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was a Rizid toy. Yeah, I think so it was
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like a risk kill Bill toy.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: They have some. I was like, the fuck out here Friday?
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: All right, Look, so he's going to have a soul
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Sunday planning about it. You know, we're celebrating the fifty fifth.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Year of hip hop hip hop. So I hit a mmm,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like hey you should we should do something, you know. Uh.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: So he's doing that Sunday with a bunch of cool,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: cool people, artists, musicians together on Sunday sick.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Well listen, go make sure you get your tickets. Make
• 31:57
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  Speaker 2: Go get your tickets.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Last year in La Man, last year, I appreciate you
• 32:14
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• 32:42
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• 32:57
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