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HUSBAND HIRES "SPELLCASTER" TO HEX WIFE MAYA MILLETTE, FACING MURDER TRIAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He hired a so called
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Speaker 1: spell cast, Yes spell castor s p is in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: E l l a spellcaster to hex his wife before
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Speaker 1: she disappeared. Well in the last days, a jury has
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Speaker 1: been struck for his murder trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Five long years after a California mom, Maya Mallette,
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Speaker 1: goes missing, finally a murder trial. Prosecutors say Larry Mallette
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Speaker 1: killed may Maya Mallett, who was looking into a divorce.
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Speaker 1: Her remains have never been found. What do we know
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Speaker 1: about Maya's disappearance? And can the state win a nobody
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Speaker 1: no case case. A gorgeous mother of three goes missing,
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Speaker 1: her family distraught. What happened to Maya Millette?
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Speaker 2: And already.
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Speaker 3: Colt see.
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Speaker 1: I could listen to her play the guitar and sing
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Speaker 1: all day. And what is haunting me right now is
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Speaker 1: the fact that her children, three children, Lazarus, Mayelani, Laura
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Speaker 1: may Can you imagine what the children have been going
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Speaker 1: through without their mother. They've got the pictures, they've got
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Speaker 1: her clothes, they can listen to her recordings, but they
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Speaker 1: don't have her, so when I hear her singing and
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Speaker 1: playing her guitar, it's very bittersweet. Again. I'm Nancy Gracis
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Speaker 1: his crime story. Thank you for being with us, with
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of the
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Speaker 1: breaking news we are just getting right now. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Paul Best, reporter joining us from Fox News and Fox Business.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor FORENSIX, Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start of a
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Speaker 1: brand new hit series on iHeart podcast Body Bags with
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Founder and director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Cheryl Column. You can find her at Coldcasecrimes
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Speaker 1: dot org. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of la She's the star of a new
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Speaker 1: Netflix series, Bling Empire. Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor in Lawrence County,
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Speaker 1: now in private practor practice, author of The Executioner's Toll.
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Speaker 1: Richard Julie with me a family member and joining me
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Speaker 1: is maya sister Mary Chris, Mary Chris. I can't imagine
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Speaker 1: what you the family have been through. Guys. Before we
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Speaker 1: start with Mary Chris Take a listen to Abby Alfred
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Speaker 1: CBS News eight.
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Speaker 4: Thirty nine year old Maya Mollette, who also goes by
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Speaker 4: may A Truevision, mother of three, who has not been
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Speaker 4: seen since Friday, January three, eight.
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Speaker 5: It's been a nightmare.
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Speaker 2: It's been faithful, heartbreaking.
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Speaker 4: Her sister Mary Chris Julie says that Maya's nine year
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Speaker 4: old saw her last inside there San Miguel Ranch home.
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Speaker 4: Her family says that her jeep and Lexus are still
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Speaker 4: parked at the house.
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Speaker 2: She's always on her phone, but her phone has been
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Speaker 2: off like the whole day Friday.
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Speaker 1: I mean, right there, Paul, Bess, you and I have
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Speaker 1: gone round and round and round about Maya. She's last
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Speaker 1: seen in the home, according to her own children. Now see,
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Speaker 1: I have two children, and I'm sure they could tell you, Paul,
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Speaker 1: the last time that they saw me just a couple
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Speaker 1: of hours ago. They could probably tell you what I
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Speaker 1: was wearing, and vice versa. So you've got the children
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Speaker 1: saying this is where mommy is, and you've got her jeep.
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Speaker 1: The vehicles are still in the garage. That should be
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Speaker 1: a big tip off. Right there, where is Maya?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, The San Diego County district attorney kind of laid
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Speaker 7: out those curious movements on January seventh. They actually she
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Speaker 7: actually described a triggering event.
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Speaker 8: Quote on January.
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Speaker 7: Seventh, a Maya's last phone call to a divorce attorney
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Speaker 7: on that day. Later that night, around eight pm, Maa
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Speaker 7: sent her last messages to a Facebook group for her
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Speaker 7: family around eight or so PM, and then her phone
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Speaker 7: activity stopped.
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Speaker 8: Paul for the last.
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Speaker 7: Time ever on January eighth, just hours later at one thirty, AM.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Ryan there, Paul Best. I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: take in all the information you're giving me. Paul Best
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Speaker 1: has been on the story from the very beginning Fox
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Speaker 1: News and Fox Business reporter. So she was using her phone,
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Speaker 1: texting and sending messages the evening before she disappears. Is
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Speaker 1: that right, Paul Best?
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Speaker 7: That is correct?
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Speaker 1: Yes, Hey, you know what, Cheryl McCollum. We're seeing this
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Speaker 1: right now in the Gabby Patito Brian Laundry manhunt, where
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Speaker 1: cell phones and use of electronic devices may crack the case.
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Speaker 1: And here we have her there at home the night
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Speaker 1: before she goes missing. Her children say, mommy was home.
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Speaker 1: That's when I saw her last. It's not like she
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Speaker 1: went hiking. It's not like she went to the mall.
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Speaker 1: It's not like she went out for a jog. We
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Speaker 1: don't have any of that. Do you remember shery Peppini
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Speaker 1: what was her first name, Sherry? And she went jogging
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Speaker 1: and we knew that because she had told her husband
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Speaker 1: she was going jogging. So we need where she was,
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Speaker 1: for instance, a long island jogger, Karina Vitronto. She said
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Speaker 1: to her parents, Hey, I'm going to go jogging. We
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Speaker 1: knew where she went. Here the children are telling us
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Speaker 1: mommy's home the last time they see her. She's using
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Speaker 1: her phone the night before. That tells me a lot.
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Speaker 1: Everything in her world was okay at that time.
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Speaker 9: Yes, no, Well, these patterns are very important, the patterns
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Speaker 9: of her being on social media throughout the day when
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Speaker 9: she was not taking care of the children. She had
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Speaker 9: a habit of contact in her family every single day,
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Speaker 9: and if anybody contacted her, she would respond fairly quickly.
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Speaker 9: What's concerning a little bit is, yes, the children are
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Speaker 9: saying that she's home and that she's been home, but
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Speaker 9: they're not seeing her.
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Speaker 1: You're you're dead on, you're dead on. Uh, you know what?
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Speaker 1: Wherever I am the twins find me if I'm back
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Speaker 1: in my room researching, If I'm up front of the kitchen,
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Speaker 1: wherever I am, they find me. I'll see the door
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Speaker 1: crack and they look you at. I mean, they will
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Speaker 1: find you. But they didn't see Mommy, but they say
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Speaker 1: she was there, So what gives would that take? A
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Speaker 1: Listen to our cut number five. This is Vanessa van
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Speaker 1: hyped ABC ten.
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Speaker 5: It appears she took her phone but is not responding.
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Speaker 6: I'd like a picture, you know, I'll know she's getting it.
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Speaker 5: But someone her jeep is still at home and no
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Speaker 5: one has seen or heard from her.
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Speaker 3: One of her friends figure up and you know.
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Speaker 5: It works as a defense contractor at Naval Base San Diego.
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Speaker 5: Didn't show up for work on Monday.
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Speaker 9: Color Boss.
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Speaker 10: And there's the other alarming part, because work for her
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Speaker 10: is like the.
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Speaker 11: Party that's your outlet.
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Speaker 4: Really, Da says he will continue to search anxiously awaiting, But.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is that helps me to.
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Speaker 12: Think that, you know, but basically emotionally drink.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right there, and you see me exchanging sideways glances
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Speaker 1: with Jackie here in the studio because I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: just telling you, right there, doctor Bethany, if you don't
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Speaker 1: know if your wife went to a wine tasting or
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Speaker 1: whether she went high king, then you've got a very
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Speaker 1: big communications problem. Because if you're going to go wine tasting,
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Speaker 1: it's got to be at a wine event or a vineyard.
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Speaker 1: You're going to need somebody to drive you home away
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Speaker 1: to get home. If I were going to go to
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Speaker 1: a wine tasting, I probably would take my husband with me. Also,
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Speaker 1: if I'm going hiking, you say, hey, I'm going hiking
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Speaker 1: on X the trail. You have the gear, you're dressed
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Speaker 1: to go hiking. So when your husband says something like, well,
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Speaker 1: she either went to a wine tasting or she went hiking,
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Speaker 1: and I think her friends picked her up. Now, unless David,
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Speaker 1: my husband, has me totally fooled, he's at work right now.
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Speaker 1: He is working on something that I consider to be
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Speaker 1: incredibly boring, some business deal. That's where I think he is.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure because when he left he had on
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Speaker 1: a business looking outfit. He had his backpack with all
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Speaker 1: of his research and blah blah blah, a lot of
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Speaker 1: paper stuffed in there. And he called in route and said,
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Speaker 1: I'm on my way to work. How's this guy, not novas,
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Speaker 1: why I went hiking or to a wine tasting, Nancy.
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Speaker 13: There's so many clues our spouses give us.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my husband's a judge.
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Speaker 13: I knew when he left for work this morning that
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Speaker 13: he had a trial. I knew what the trial was about.
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Speaker 13: I had a sense of when the trial is going
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Speaker 13: to end. Cheryl McCollum said something very important that there
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Speaker 13: are patterns in life. There's patterns to social media, to
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Speaker 13: her social media. If she was supposed to go to
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Speaker 13: a wine tasting, there would be a pattern of care
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Speaker 13: for the four year old child, who's going to care
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Speaker 13: for the four year old, who's going to care for
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Speaker 13: the ten or eleven year old. There would be a
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Speaker 13: pattern of friendship, texting the friends, arranging the rides home.
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Speaker 13: You know, when somebody, either in this case the husband,
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Speaker 13: gives too many details, I think they're lying, or when
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Speaker 13: their story holds it's very vague, they're lying.
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Speaker 1: But the dichotomy if she's either gone hiking or to
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Speaker 1: a wine tasting, that doesn't even make sense to me.
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Speaker 1: What are you going to wear your hiking boots and
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Speaker 1: your shorts and all your gear and your backpack and
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Speaker 1: your helmet and whatever you're gonna take to a wine
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Speaker 1: tasting and why not party? Okay?
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Speaker 13: And with the wine tasting, you have friends, right, so
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Speaker 13: there would be friends who would.
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Speaker 8: Have been with her.
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Speaker 13: You don't go wine tasting alone?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: What friend? What friend? Picked her up? Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace In the days after Maya's family called to
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Speaker 1: report her missing, they started plastering the surrounding area with
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Speaker 1: missing persons posters, but police said multiple times they did
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Speaker 1: not suspect foul play and we're treating her disappearance like
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Speaker 1: a missing person case. Really, why is it when a
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Speaker 1: woman goes missing, police always say, Oh, she's probably just
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Speaker 1: off with her boyfriend. What boyfriend? Oh, she just wanted
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Speaker 1: me time. No, she did not want me time. They
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Speaker 1: lost valuable time in finding her. Could they have saved
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Speaker 1: her life? What do we know about Maya's disappearance? Our
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Speaker 1: very special guest joining us is Maya's sister Mary, Chris
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Speaker 1: and Richard, Juliet and guys, I feel like I know
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Speaker 1: you because we have been studying this and trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out her disappearance like a Rubik's cube for so
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Speaker 1: many months now, a lot of prayers have gone up
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Speaker 1: regarding the disappearance of your sister, Mary Chris, and I've
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Speaker 1: got to ask the question. I may not know everything
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Speaker 1: my husband's doing all day long. I may not want
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Speaker 1: to know everything he's doing all day long, but I
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Speaker 1: know this. We have the twins covered. Nobody goes anywhere
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Speaker 1: without the twins being covered. So who would take care
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Speaker 1: of these babies?
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Speaker 15: You know.
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Speaker 2: At that time, you know it's been just too and
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Speaker 2: Larry and my sister is taking character kiss. But you
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Speaker 2: know that statement from from Larry is entirely a lot.
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Speaker 3: We knew that since the beginning.
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Speaker 1: And you mean about the high king and the wine tasting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know she's not considering is this day
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Speaker 2: that weekend is her daughter's eleventh birthday?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, whoa wait wait, you just jogged my memory memory,
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Speaker 1: Mary Chris with me? Is my sister, Mary Chris and
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Speaker 1: you and I talked about the birthday. Can I tell
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Speaker 1: you the drama surrounding the twins upcoming birthday? The planning,
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Speaker 1: the invites, the evites, the this, the that, the pizza.
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Speaker 1: The birthday. That's an ordeal grande. That's like a Broadway production.
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Speaker 1: From what I remember, Maya really planned out the birthday
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Speaker 1: and there is no way in he doble l she's
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Speaker 1: going to go get a snoop fill at the wine
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Speaker 1: taste and when she's supposed to be doing the birthday
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Speaker 1: I remember that distinctly. Tell me about the birthday plans
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Speaker 1: for the eleven year old, right.
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Speaker 2: It's a snowboarding event for the family. We were going
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Speaker 2: to take them to beg their resort here in California.
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Speaker 2: So about her eleven year old, that's what she wants.
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Speaker 3: She wants, you know, the outdoor stuff. She's very active,
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Speaker 3: so she wants to.
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Speaker 2: Go snowboarding and she had planned it to celebrate with family.
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Speaker 2: We rented a cabin and Big Bear and for her
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Speaker 2: to you know, not do anything or tell us anything
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Speaker 2: about about that birthday party, that is it canceled or
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Speaker 2: anything like that.
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Speaker 3: You know, she could have told us.
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Speaker 2: And she's not going to you know, to any wine
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Speaker 2: tasting or any hiking at that time.
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Speaker 1: She's she's looking.
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Speaker 3: Forwards and celebrating her eleventh birthday.
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Speaker 1: You know, I found something very interesting that Cheryl McCollums said,
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Speaker 1: and she's absolutely correct. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: eleven Tyler, if you would play that. This is abby
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Speaker 1: offered from CBS News a Cheryl pointed out the children
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Speaker 1: said Mommy's home, but they didn't see her. Listen.
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Speaker 4: Mary Chris says that her sister's bedroom was locked and
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Speaker 4: she wasn't inside. Her sister confirms that Larry and may
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Speaker 4: argue the night before she went missing, but didn't say
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Speaker 4: about what. Please say that Larry is cooperating. They searched
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Speaker 4: the house twice and have not found evidence of a crime,
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Speaker 4: and I have not issued search warrants, but have several
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Speaker 4: detectives investigating Maya's disappearance.
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Speaker 5: It's so pretty.
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Speaker 4: Maya's family says that she loved the outdoors, hiking and
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Speaker 4: adore her kids.
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Speaker 2: She's just fun loving, She's just actually she just keep us.
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Speaker 4: Going despite being active outdoors and online.
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Speaker 5: Police say she's left no digital footprint.
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Speaker 1: No digital footprint. I want to go back to Mary
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Speaker 1: Chris Jewel and Richard Jewel. Let me understand, Richard, what
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Speaker 1: does this mean that she is at home but the
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Speaker 1: bedroom was locked.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess. Larry, my brother in law, went out
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Speaker 6: there Friday and their commerce on his sister, and when
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Speaker 6: he got there, Larry said that she had been in
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Speaker 6: her room for eleven hours that Friday which is kind
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Speaker 6: of odd because the kids. You have to think who's
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Speaker 6: seeing the kids, who's getting things ready for the weekend.
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Speaker 6: But he knew that there was a big argument on Thursday,
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Speaker 6: so he kind of just left it alone. Maybe she
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Speaker 6: just needed, you know, to air out, or it just
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Speaker 6: wanted some time alone. So it's weird that that Larry
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Speaker 6: didn't check up on her. He wasn't even concerned about
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Speaker 6: her well being that Friday.
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Speaker 16: It was just kind of like, Okay, it's been one day,
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Speaker 16: what's going on. But my brother went checked it out
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Speaker 16: and then he said, yeah, she's in her room, she's locked.
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Speaker 16: And the next day my father in last that the
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Speaker 16: more my father in law wanted to check on his daughter,
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Speaker 16: and Larry magically had the keys to open the door
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Speaker 16: that Saturday.
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Speaker 5: Morning, And why didn't they just knock?
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Speaker 17: Well, I think they did, but she just kind of
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Speaker 17: I guess it was more like giving them the benefit
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Speaker 17: of the doubt that you know, maybe she just needed
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Speaker 17: some time off because there was a big argument and
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Speaker 17: he didn't want to intervene in their relationship that much.
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Speaker 1: A big argument about what I don't know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure on that.
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Speaker 18: You know, yes, yes, I.
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Speaker 2: Knew Okay, so there's again. You know, twenty twenty has
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Speaker 2: been around, you know, I mean it's been a rocky
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Speaker 2: relationship with them, so there's been an issue. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's going to be out there anyways.
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Speaker 3: So I'm not an a sugar cut on my sister.
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Speaker 2: You know, they she was linked to someone at work.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, are you trying to tell me the husband
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Speaker 1: I thought she was having an affair.
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Speaker 4: Well, no, she's not.
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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't concerned.
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Speaker 3: But he is accusing her.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they're having a fight because he's suspicious of
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Speaker 1: a coworker. Correct. Okay. Now what I don't get is
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Speaker 1: why they don't just on the door. Tyler, please play
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Speaker 1: our cut twelve. This is an investigative producer, CBS News eight,
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Speaker 1: David Gofferdson.
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Speaker 6: I went in the house.
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Speaker 10: I immediately noticed the windows all opened, the fans on
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Speaker 10: full blast.
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Speaker 5: Was sheilli in the house?
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Speaker 19: Attorney Billy Little went inside the Twula Vista home of
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Speaker 19: Maya Malette on Monday, January eleventh and conducted a walk
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Speaker 19: through with her husband Larry, days after the woman went missing.
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Speaker 10: I was mostly at that point seeing if I could
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Speaker 10: smell anything if I could smell any bleach or smell
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Speaker 10: the smell of a dead body, and of course there's
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Speaker 10: absolutely no snow.
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Speaker 19: Family members confirmed they contacted Little to help them find
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Speaker 19: the missing mother of three.
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Speaker 10: When I went to the bedroom, I immediately noticed a
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Speaker 10: whole probably ten inches long by about six eight inches tall,
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Speaker 10: rectangular shape that have been freshly repaired.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, so there's a big hole in
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Speaker 1: the bedroom door that has just been repaired. Her sister,
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Speaker 1: her brother all very disturbed. The children say, Mommy's home,
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Speaker 1: but nobody can see her. She won't answer the bedroom door. Tyler,
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Speaker 1: please play our cut thirteen again. David gotfitson.
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Speaker 19: For months now, Little has been collecting evidence, including hundreds
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Speaker 19: of text messages sent in twenty twenty by Maya's husband Larry,
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Speaker 19: to friends and family.
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Speaker 10: He started by complaining to family members. He started by
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Speaker 10: accusing his wife of may of having an affair, going
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Speaker 10: to her supervisor, insisting that male coworkers being moved, with
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Speaker 10: absolutely no evidence that there was a going on.
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Speaker 19: Some of the messages included photos. This one looks like
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Speaker 19: an altar with lit candles.
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Speaker 14: Others include biblical quotes talking about adulterous women. Like this one,
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Speaker 14: saying her feet go down to death, her steps lead
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Speaker 14: straight to the grades and started ramping up.
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Speaker 10: As twenty twenty went on, and as may started doing
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Speaker 10: more and more towards a divorce, he became more and
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Speaker 10: more desperate.
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Speaker 19: Little says the day Maya contacted a divorce attorney is
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Speaker 19: the last day anybody heard from her.
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Speaker 1: I am very, very concerned and was concern when I
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Speaker 1: first heard about this. I guess hate shrine built to Maya?
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Speaker 12: Uh do you?
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Speaker 1: Could you describe that from me? Mary, Chris.
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Speaker 3: And everyone else?
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Speaker 2: I didn't see you know, or I did not until
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Speaker 2: you know it's jone on the news hould on Paul Basket.
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Speaker 1: Can you describe it for me?
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Speaker 9: Yeah? Nancy.
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Speaker 7: So apparently in September twenty twenty, Larry, as the District
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Speaker 7: Journey lid out Yesterday, started displaying increasingly erratic behavior. He
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Speaker 7: created the shrine in September twenty twenty that had a
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Speaker 7: picture of the couple in the middle surrounded by candles,
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Speaker 7: and then what appears to be either blood splatter or
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Speaker 7: red candlewax around the picture. It's very bizarre, and then
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Speaker 7: also quickly to note around October November December of twenty twenty,
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Speaker 7: Larry apparently started in listing spell casters.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well why what spell casters?
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Speaker 9: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: The district jorney said yesterday that around December of twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty that became much more threatening. Larry started trying to
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Speaker 7: cat spells on Maya that she would have broken bones
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Speaker 7: or get in an accident so that she could stay home.
21:53
Speaker 7: And then also, just if we could go back for
21:56
Speaker 7: a second to Larry's kind of idea that there was
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Speaker 7: another man involved, which is again, like Merika said, is unconcerned,
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Speaker 7: but this is coming from him apparently on January ninth.
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Speaker 1: Wait, do you actually think, Paul Best that I'm going
22:11
Speaker 1: to take the word of a guy that creates a
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Speaker 1: hate shrine. I was mortified when I found out he
22:17
Speaker 1: would call her supervisor at work and insists that a
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Speaker 1: male coworker be transferred. Can you even imagine your husband
22:26
Speaker 1: calling your boss and insisting some guy you're not dating
22:32
Speaker 1: and he's insisting the guy be transferred. How embarrassing to
22:38
Speaker 1: start with. And now did you have any idea he
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Speaker 1: was hiring a spellcaster to put spells on his wife?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to mentioned how desperate he became.
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Speaker 7: You know, it was.
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Speaker 8: In a way.
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Speaker 9: You know, I.
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Speaker 13: Need to wrap my mind around it.
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Speaker 3: How you know how that behaviorally?
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Speaker 1: Did Maya ever let onto you what he was up
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Speaker 1: to his bizarre behavior?
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Speaker 18: No?
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Speaker 3: No, she she was still trying to protect him.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, guys. In the last hours, there is breaking
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Speaker 1: news in the search for Maya. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut twenty two. This is our longtime co worker
23:31
Speaker 1: and friend at Inside Edition, Jim Murray.
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Speaker 15: It's a jarring moment for least from the night a
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Speaker 15: Mom disappeared. You can hear six loud bangs that sound
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Speaker 15: like gunshots.
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Speaker 20: The terrifying audio was captured on a neighbors throughveillen amer
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Speaker 20: at ten pm. Missing Mom Maya Miliette's neighbor provided the
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Speaker 20: recording to KFMBTV Diego. Maya's sister says she shared an
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Speaker 20: ominous premonition that something might happen to her and who
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Speaker 20: would be responsible.
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Speaker 2: She did said she, you know, if anything happens to her,
24:12
Speaker 2: it might be it might be her husband.
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Speaker 15: Maya and Larry were high school sweethearts and have been
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Speaker 15: married for twenty one years, but she was reportedly ready
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Speaker 15: to end the marriage and had scheduled an appointment with
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Speaker 15: a divorce.
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Speaker 5: Attorney the same day she disappeared.
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Speaker 13: She said that.
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Speaker 2: She's filing for the divorce, and then that she said
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a nasty divorce.
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Speaker 1: To Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer joining US, former prosecutor
24:40
Speaker 1: and author, Matthew we all know the statistics. The most
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Speaker 1: dangerous time for a woman, an abused woman, whether it's emotionally, verbally,
24:51
Speaker 1: or physically, is when she finally decides to leave, When
24:56
Speaker 1: she finally takes that step, calls a divorce, her demands
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Speaker 1: a divorce, wants to break up. That is a single
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Speaker 1: most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship.
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Speaker 11: Yes, no, well, no question about that, Nancy. And I
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Speaker 11: don't think it's a coincidence that she disappears on the
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Speaker 11: day that she makes this call to a divorce attorney.
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Speaker 11: You know, we see erratic behavior building up to this,
25:24
Speaker 11: and then all of a sudden, you know, she gathers
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Speaker 11: the strength to call an attorney to discuss divorce and
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Speaker 11: she disappears. So I don't think that that's a coincidence
25:36
Speaker 11: in any way, the timing of that, and it certainly
25:40
Speaker 11: lends itself, you know, to this whole idea that that
25:43
Speaker 11: is when a woman is most vulnerable in terms of
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Speaker 11: domestic violence and or in this case, possibly murder.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twenty four Rock sand
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Speaker 1: Kennedy the chief of police today at eleven two am
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Speaker 1: that she lives. The Police of art As swat team
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Speaker 1: surged and arrest horned and.
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Speaker 5: Arrested Larry Mayetti for the murder of his Larry was
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Speaker 5: taken into testing in his home and was alone at
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Speaker 5: the time.
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Speaker 6: Of his arrest.
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Speaker 5: And I know many of you are all very concerned
26:20
Speaker 5: about Me's children. I want you to know that they
26:23
Speaker 5: are safe.
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Speaker 1: I hear the cheering and the happiness and the announcement
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Speaker 1: that Maya's husband, Larry Malette has been arrested, but that's
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Speaker 1: not the end of the story. Take a listark cut
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Speaker 1: twenty three NBC seven.
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Speaker 12: The districts attorney says that she filed the case against
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Speaker 12: Malet yesterday and then he was there. He was charged
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Speaker 12: with the murder of his wife. He was also charged
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Speaker 12: with possession of an illegal assault rifle. This morning at
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Speaker 12: eleven forty two, he was arrested at his home with
26:58
Speaker 12: help the US Marshals.
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Speaker 17: And the FBI.
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Speaker 21: He's currently being held right now in jail without bond. Now,
27:05
Speaker 21: the DA laid out a litany of facts. However, most
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Speaker 21: of their case is circumstantial. What they don't have is
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Speaker 21: are the remains of may But what.
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Speaker 12: They do have, according to the district attorney, is proof
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Speaker 12: that she is no longer alone.
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Speaker 3: For nine months.
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Speaker 2: There is no proof of life.
27:25
Speaker 1: She went on to say later.
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Speaker 12: May Milt had a bank account and had money in it,
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Speaker 12: and over the nine months, she's never touched it. That
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Speaker 12: she's never posted on social media, she's never touted or called,
27:36
Speaker 12: even though she is a person that would call family
27:38
Speaker 12: members daily. So when she talks about proof of life,
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Speaker 12: what she means to say is there is no proof
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Speaker 12: that she is still alive.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Maya sister, Mary Chris, Mary, Chris Dreulie,
27:53
Speaker 1: you have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but what you
27:56
Speaker 1: don't have is Maya's body.
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Speaker 3: Why we can't we can't find her?
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Speaker 18: You know he did, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: He couldn't chuck to avoid of her. It's just been horrible,
28:15
Speaker 3: But you know, we have to continue looking for We're
28:21
Speaker 3: going to be searching for her. A still still be
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Speaker 3: This is just the beginning again.
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Speaker 1: And now that we have war leads, we've got to
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Speaker 1: find that body. We've got to find the body because
28:35
Speaker 1: when this case goes to court, the jury might think
28:39
Speaker 1: she's dead, but the state has to prove it beyond
28:43
Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. And yes, the case can be prosecuted
28:46
Speaker 1: without a body. But I do not want this guy
28:49
Speaker 1: to slip through the fingers of justice. Where is Maya?
28:55
Speaker 1: Paul Best joining me Functions and Fox Business. Paul again,
28:58
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You here, Mary, Chris's voice,
29:02
Speaker 1: You hear Richard Drulai's voice. They're exhausted there at the
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Speaker 1: end of their rope. This has been months and months
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Speaker 1: and months trying to get answers and they can't find
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Speaker 1: the body. Why is that? What am I hearing about? Him?
29:20
Speaker 1: Driving for what? Eleven hours the night or around the time?
29:26
Speaker 1: Tell me about that?
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: So on Friday, January eighth, the day after Maya apparently disappeared,
29:31
Speaker 7: he left with his youngest son around seven am. He
29:36
Speaker 7: told police that he went to Swana Beach, but he
29:38
Speaker 7: was going for eleven hours and twenty minutes.
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Speaker 11: He fissed work. His boss was calling Maya, calling.
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Speaker 7: Wlarry's dad, trying to figure out where he was saying,
29:48
Speaker 7: this isn't like Larry. He left his phone at home
29:51
Speaker 7: so that there was no way to track him. And
29:54
Speaker 7: then I do want to say, just to quickly give
29:56
Speaker 7: you a sense of how wide the area is that
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Speaker 7: authorities are currently searching for Maya's remains, which, as you
30:04
Speaker 7: just alluded to, is going to be key in this
30:06
Speaker 7: case when it eventually does go to trial. The district
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Speaker 7: attorney said yesterday that the navigation system on Larry's Lexus
30:15
Speaker 7: that he was driving for eleven hours on that Friday,
30:19
Speaker 7: registered a quote navigation event two and a half hours
30:23
Speaker 7: before he returned home, and that navigation event was for
30:26
Speaker 7: his home address. So basically what police are saying is
30:29
Speaker 7: that there is a two and a half hour drive
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Speaker 7: radius around the two of Theseta home that he shared
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Speaker 7: with his wife, where her remains could potentially.
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Speaker 1: Be crime stories with Nancy Gray, it's always a big
30:55
Speaker 1: red flashing knee on sign when the husband lawyers up
30:59
Speaker 1: with defense lawyers. That was apparently the first clue to
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Speaker 1: police that something was very wrong. Now we believe her
31:08
Speaker 1: husband murdered her. Her body has never been found. Now
31:14
Speaker 1: this on top of evidence that emerged that he hired
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Speaker 1: a spellcaster to hex his wife. I can't wait for
31:22
Speaker 1: the jury to hear that. I can't wait for the
31:24
Speaker 1: jury to hear that. Husband Larry Malette facing one count
31:29
Speaker 1: of murder plus one felony count of illegal possession of
31:32
Speaker 1: an assault weapon. Prosecutors believe he murdered his wife and
31:36
Speaker 1: disposed of her body, even though it has never been found.
31:41
Speaker 1: The last time she was seen alive was on a
31:43
Speaker 1: neighbor's surveillance video arriving home the afternoon of January seventh.
31:48
Speaker 1: Phone records show she messaged her friends and was searching
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Speaker 1: the Internet until later that night, according to the police
31:56
Speaker 1: searching for divorce Professor of forensics Jacksonville State University, host
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Speaker 1: of a brand new hit series on iHeart podcast, Body
32:07
Speaker 1: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, you know how
32:10
Speaker 1: I feel when somebody says they only have circumstantial evidence.
32:15
Speaker 1: Let me remind everybody under the law, the black and
32:18
Speaker 1: white letter of the law, and this is read verbatim
32:23
Speaker 1: to the jury before the jury begins deliberations. Circumstantial evidence
32:28
Speaker 1: is as probative as powerful as direct evidence, such as
32:32
Speaker 1: an eyewitness, a fingerprint, or DNA. It is considered to
32:37
Speaker 1: be as powerful as direct evidence under the law. So
32:41
Speaker 1: when somebody says, well there's only circumstantial evidence, that's a
32:45
Speaker 1: line of bs. But I will admit I'd rather have
32:50
Speaker 1: direct evidence too. So Joe Scott, that's where you come in.
32:54
Speaker 1: How are we going to prove this case?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, there's a bit of there's a bit
32:58
Speaker 8: of information that I was curious about. My understanding is
33:02
Speaker 8: that I guess it was probably the eighth the family
33:07
Speaker 8: allegedly went to the home, or maybe it was the tenth,
33:10
Speaker 8: I can't recall. And there they saw bath mats being
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Speaker 8: dried out, they saw trash cans being dried out, and
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Speaker 8: there was a distinctive smell of bleach.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, right, let's confirm that to Richard Drew Ala
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Speaker 1: and Mary Chris Drew.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell me about that we were doing Sunday? Well,
33:29
Speaker 2: we actually were there on Saturday night. You know the
33:34
Speaker 2: bedmos cleanders, you know, the there was a comforture that
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Speaker 2: was missing.
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Speaker 1: Uh. And then Sunday Wait what did you say was missing?
33:44
Speaker 1: I didn't quite what comfort missing? Okay, Well, and then and.
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Speaker 2: Sunday we were there too, looking the house is a mess.
33:55
Speaker 5: It's because his stores just.
33:58
Speaker 13: Moved out and then.
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Speaker 2: We were there Monday. Also, the anti the ant start
34:05
Speaker 2: cleaning the house. That's when Billy Little was there. Attorney
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Speaker 2: Bill A. Lilo went in and walked through with Larry
34:13
Speaker 2: around the house.
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Speaker 3: That's when he smelled the bleach.
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Speaker 1: The bleach and saw bath mats drying out, Yes, over
34:20
Speaker 1: trash cans. I want to just go to Bethany and
34:24
Speaker 1: Cheryl on something hold of thought, Joe Scott, because it's
34:26
Speaker 1: going to tie into what your analysis is going to be.
34:29
Speaker 1: I think doctor Bethany, generally speaking, I don't like a
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Speaker 1: mess in the home. And I don't know if that's
34:38
Speaker 1: some kind of compulsion, but I don't want the children
34:41
Speaker 1: to grow up in a messy environment. So I think
34:45
Speaker 1: from what I've learned about Maya, she was the same way.
34:48
Speaker 1: And the fact that the house was in a mess,
34:52
Speaker 1: to me, that means something because if people came into
34:57
Speaker 1: our home and it looked like a side clone hit it,
35:00
Speaker 1: they would know I had not been there, because that
35:04
Speaker 1: bothers me gets under my skin. Now that's a behavioral thing.
35:08
Speaker 1: It may mean nothing to somebody else, but that tells
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Speaker 1: me Maya was dead that.
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Speaker 13: Day because Nancy. This is yet another break in the pattern, right,
35:18
Speaker 13: the fact that all of her social media stopped on
35:23
Speaker 13: down the road. We're talking about no money with drawn
35:25
Speaker 13: from her bank account. Cheryl McCollum was talking about the
35:28
Speaker 13: patterns on her social media who she contacted. But what
35:32
Speaker 13: happens in the home when you have a four year old,
35:35
Speaker 13: a ten year old and an eleven year old is
35:38
Speaker 13: extremely important. You're preparing their lunches for school, You're making
35:42
Speaker 13: sure their clothes are laid out, you have pals ready
35:46
Speaker 13: for them. I mean, a good mother does care about
35:49
Speaker 13: her home. And so this was a dramatic break in
35:53
Speaker 13: the pattern.
35:54
Speaker 1: And she is no dummy, guys. She had a really
35:58
Speaker 1: impressive job. Paul bests blame what she did, wasn't it
36:01
Speaker 1: for the Navy?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, she was a contract specialist for the Navy. From
36:06
Speaker 7: everyone that I've talked to, all of her former co workers,
36:09
Speaker 7: they all said she was a rock star at work.
36:11
Speaker 7: That uh, she did a great job, and that she
36:14
Speaker 7: really enjoyed it and loved doing it.
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Speaker 1: She had a lot of responsibility. What I'm trying to
36:19
Speaker 1: tell you is she didn't just you know, fall off
36:22
Speaker 1: the turnip truck. She this woman is smart, she has accomplished,
36:26
Speaker 1: she's beautiful, she's raising these children. And what does it
36:31
Speaker 1: say to you, Cheryl McCallum. I see a defense attorney
36:34
Speaker 1: would try to have a field day with this, but
36:36
Speaker 1: women on a jury and maybe some men too, would
36:39
Speaker 1: get it. If somebody came You know, Cheryl, you've been
36:43
Speaker 1: in my home. Somebody came in and everything was a mess,
36:46
Speaker 1: and there are dirty dishes in the sink, and Lawndry's
36:50
Speaker 1: pile high, and the beds are not made. Uh huh,
36:54
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. That tells me.
36:57
Speaker 9: Right then she was dead that day, that no question,
37:01
Speaker 9: Friday by eight o'clock. And again, what they're going to
37:04
Speaker 9: do for this case is they're going to go back
37:06
Speaker 9: and they're going to show everything that led up to it,
37:09
Speaker 9: the fact that he tried to hire a hitman for
37:11
Speaker 9: twenty thousand dollars, the fact that he was sending text
37:14
Speaker 9: messages up to one hundred a day.
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Speaker 1: You left out the spellcaster.
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Speaker 9: Oh I'm getting there, because that would be something that
37:21
Speaker 9: I know hate shine, Yes, I know good and well.
37:25
Speaker 9: You would put one of those statements up big as
37:28
Speaker 9: Dallas for the sure you know, Jerry to stare at
37:31
Speaker 9: that not only did he want her bones broken, wanted
37:34
Speaker 9: him broken so that she couldn't leave him. And then
37:37
Speaker 9: he's borrying gun cleaning equipment. There's a forty Calibrahan gun missing, he's.
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Speaker 1: Got assault rifles.
37:44
Speaker 9: And all this happens after he taught to the divorce attorney.
37:48
Speaker 9: But I want to say one thing about that bedroom.
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly nobody on this panel is going to be
37:52
Speaker 1: able to stop you, So go ahead.
37:54
Speaker 9: Thank you so much. When they say she's in the
37:58
Speaker 9: bedroom and then the brother in law comes back over
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Speaker 9: and Larry, the husband opens it with a key. You're
38:06
Speaker 9: telling me that bedroom door locked from the hall.
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Speaker 1: Was he keeping her captive? And I always count on
38:14
Speaker 1: you to keep it real. Cheryl McCollum. Okay, Joe Scott
38:19
Speaker 1: put it all together. How are we going to prove
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Speaker 1: this case?
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Speaker 8: Hey, I got to tell you Mary Chris first off,
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Speaker 8: in my apologies in advance, But Nancy, I got to
38:27
Speaker 8: tell you, my friend, when I start hearing words like
38:30
Speaker 8: bath matt soaked in, bleach, drying out and all of
38:34
Speaker 8: the cases that I've worked as a death investigator over
38:37
Speaker 8: all my years, I got to tell you that means
38:39
Speaker 8: that something occurred in the bathroom, and that means also
38:44
Speaker 8: that potentially there's evidence in that tub of a cleanup. Now,
38:49
Speaker 8: I'm not going to go down the road that you
38:50
Speaker 8: think I'm going to go down relative to the level
38:53
Speaker 8: of gore that is involved in this, but there was
38:55
Speaker 8: an attempt to clean up in that environment. Whi Els
38:58
Speaker 8: would these bath mats be believe eached out? I have
39:01
Speaker 8: to say, Nancy, I think that there is going to
39:03
Speaker 8: be a level of violence involved in this that we
39:06
Speaker 8: can't imagine.
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Speaker 1: Well, a great deal of bloodshed, because if you asphyxiated someone,
39:11
Speaker 1: there would not be that kind of a cleanup. This
39:14
Speaker 1: is a bloody event. And look, Mary, Chris and Richard
39:19
Speaker 1: want to know the truth.
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Speaker 8: A carpenter uses the tools they have at their hand.
39:22
Speaker 8: What did this guy have, Nancy? He had a multitude.
39:26
Speaker 8: He had an armory in the house. As a matter
39:28
Speaker 8: of fact, he was hooked up on an illegal weapons
39:30
Speaker 8: charge for tactical weapon that he had that could use
39:34
Speaker 8: multiple calibers of bullets. And the FEDS know something here.
39:38
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why.
39:39
Speaker 8: It wasn't just that Eula Vista police that showed up
39:42
Speaker 8: to process this house. You had the FBI ERT team,
39:47
Speaker 8: that is the evidence response unit. They showed up at
39:51
Speaker 8: the house to process this thing. I actually believe that
39:56
Speaker 8: not only are we talking about a homicide here and
39:59
Speaker 8: a missing woman and a missing mother, we're talking about
40:03
Speaker 8: something that could potentially extend out even further. That the
40:07
Speaker 8: FEDS would take this much interest in this way. Well,
40:11
Speaker 8: I'm thinking that he may be selling weapons. That's what
40:14
Speaker 8: I'm thinking.
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Speaker 1: He had so many weapons.
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Speaker 8: Yes, he did, and I just cannot understand. I don't
40:19
Speaker 8: know what this guy was about.
40:20
Speaker 1: We asked how many weapons do we know that he had?
40:24
Speaker 7: He had about twenty weapons, and as was just alluded to,
40:28
Speaker 7: he was charged of the legal possession of an assault
40:31
Speaker 7: rifle and one of those weapons, notably, is still missing,
40:34
Speaker 7: a forty caliber gun.
40:36
Speaker 1: I want to follow up with Paul Best and Joe Scott.
40:42
Speaker 1: Let me know when you get Cheryl back. Matthew Mangino,
40:45
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, how can we track where he hid her remains?
40:55
Speaker 1: Mary Chris Dulie, Richard Dreulaie, what are the cops telling you?
40:59
Speaker 1: How can we figure out where he hit her remains?
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Speaker 1: This could be critical at trial.
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Speaker 11: Fnancy. I think it certainly is going to be critical
41:09
Speaker 11: at trial.
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Speaker 1: Is this Matthew or Richard.
41:12
Speaker 11: It's Matthew. Go ahead, you certainly can. You can certainly
41:15
Speaker 11: go forward with a circumstantial case. There are convictions where
41:20
Speaker 11: there's been no body.
41:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you can, but I don't want to.
41:25
Speaker 1: How can we track?
41:27
Speaker 11: I think it's crucial to you find the body because
41:30
Speaker 11: although we have circumstantial evidence, we don't have forensic evidence
41:34
Speaker 11: at this point. We don't have witness evidence at this point.
41:38
Speaker 11: So the body and the cause of death and the
41:40
Speaker 11: manner of death are all going to be extremely important
41:42
Speaker 11: in this prosecution. And I think it's only going to
41:45
Speaker 11: be done by a thorough investigation throughout that entire region,
41:52
Speaker 11: with multiple police forces and federal help to try to
41:56
Speaker 11: locate this body.
41:58
Speaker 1: This is not going to be easy.
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Speaker 18: Ricky, if I could jump in, if I could jump
42:03
Speaker 18: in about this, I doubt he drove around Willy Nelly
42:06
Speaker 18: looking for a dumb site for the body, just because
42:09
Speaker 18: that's not how these things go.
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Speaker 13: Think about with killer Dad, Chris Watts. Think about top Mom.
42:14
Speaker 13: They always go somewhere either near the house and you're
42:18
Speaker 13: a relative, or a place with which they're very familiar.
42:22
Speaker 13: Think about it. If you have a body or body parts.
42:25
Speaker 13: You're not going to just dump them in a park
42:27
Speaker 13: or in the woods or in a garbage can. You're
42:29
Speaker 13: going to be thinking those eleven hours he drove around
42:33
Speaker 13: thinking with his.
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Speaker 1: Then four year old in the car.
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Speaker 8: I might add, Nancy, I've got to say absolutely, I've
42:39
Speaker 8: got to say the two big pieces of evidence here,
42:41
Speaker 8: in my opinion, relative to this event. They still have
42:44
Speaker 8: that lexus. No one, as you well know, does a
42:47
Speaker 8: good enough job cleaning a car up if he had
42:50
Speaker 8: to clean up in the house, that means that there
42:52
Speaker 8: is potentially a miss in that lexus that he missed.
42:55
Speaker 8: They get their hands on that lexus. And this is
42:57
Speaker 8: the other thing. They rip that bathtub out of the wall,
43:01
Speaker 8: take the drain traps out, all of the associated plumbing,
43:04
Speaker 8: and go over that with a fine tooth comb, because
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Speaker 8: this is essential if you find tissue in there, if
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Speaker 8: you find tissue that is tied back to this poor
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Speaker 8: poor woman. I have to say, Nancy, that might be
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Speaker 8: body enough.
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Speaker 1: I hear you. I was going to disagree with you
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Speaker 1: until you said that if they could get enough evidence
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Speaker 1: out of the drain, which I don't think they can
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Speaker 1: because so many months have passed but if they could
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Speaker 1: get that from the car or the drain, or both
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Speaker 1: of them together to show that she is in fact dead,
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Speaker 1: he should not get a gold star for being able
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Speaker 1: to hide the body. But Mary, Chris Droulee and Richard Drewela,
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Speaker 1: if you think back, guys, and you look at the
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson case, where did he go to his old
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Speaker 1: fishing hole San Francisco Bay? Tot Mom? Where did she
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Speaker 1: throw her baby after Kelly was murdered right down the
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Speaker 1: street from the home across from her old school. If
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Speaker 1: you look at Ky Chris Watts was just brought up
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Speaker 1: to his old place of employment and a dark oil
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Speaker 1: feels to hide the body of his two children and
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Speaker 1: his wife. This guy, Larry Molette, has hidden her body
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Speaker 1: somewhere he thought it would never be found, somewhere he's
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Speaker 1: familiar with. What are cops telling you, guys, Mary Chris
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Speaker 1: and Richard They.
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Speaker 3: Haven't really told us in any specific area, just that
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Speaker 3: time frame that they're looking at that two and a
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Speaker 3: half hours.
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Speaker 1: So what does that mean, Mary Chris at two and
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Speaker 1: a half hour event, what does that mean? He stopped
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Speaker 1: for two and a half hours somewhere.
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Speaker 2: That's what it seems like, that's what they're telling us.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's where it is.
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Speaker 9: That's where it is, so in that that's.
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Speaker 2: The area that we've been having, you know, our not
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Speaker 2: just God fillings, but I mean it's a feeling that
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Speaker 2: we know.
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Speaker 1: She probably have been.
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Speaker 5: It's the desert.
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Speaker 1: At two and a half hours. It's the desert. Did
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Speaker 1: you say it's in the desert.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we called it the desert.
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Speaker 3: It's you know, because it's it's Yeah, it's at the
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Speaker 3: desert area.
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Speaker 1: And what he did was very cunning. Richard Dula. He
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Speaker 1: left his cell phone at home so he cannot be
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Speaker 1: tracked by pings. He is no idiot. He knew what
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Speaker 1: he was doing. But now they've got a two and
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Speaker 1: a half hour event where I'm understanding from Mary christ
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Speaker 1: jul A, my sister, that he was stopped for two
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Speaker 1: and a half hours during this eleven hour period out
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Speaker 1: in the desert. That's where she is. So how are
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Speaker 1: they determining that Richard through the navigation system in the Lexus.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct. I guess they had a I guess
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Speaker 6: he must have stopped somewhere and looked at maybe different
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Speaker 6: routes to get back home and where he got pinpointed
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Speaker 6: was about two and a half hours away from his house,
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Speaker 6: So that's where we're going to be starting our searches.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we've always thought it could have been the desert,
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Speaker 6: but during the summer, I mean, the desert's one hundred
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Speaker 6: and twenty one hundred and twenty five degrees, you know,
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Speaker 6: by twelve o'clock, So it's really dangerous to be out
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Speaker 6: there in that in that heat.
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Speaker 1: Where is Maya? Where are her remains? We may never know,
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Speaker 1: but that will not stop a murder trial. We wait
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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye,
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Speaker 1: Randon