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Ep. 808: A Costa Rican Immigrant on Hunting In America · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: How do everybody? But this is the FOP FOP one
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  Speaker 1: today we have our esteemed colleague Reva. Reva comes to
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  Speaker 1: is Reeva. She's living on the Bustle US. She's here
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  Speaker 1: Mediator podcast YouTube channel. We're so what we're doing today
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  Speaker 1: is we're joined by a ticket holder. Yeah, Pablo Escobell,
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  Speaker 1: you're coming to the show tonight. Yeah, yeah, you excited
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  Speaker 1: for the show?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, definitely because it's gonna be the first time too,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Now I know you well. The reason I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about you. I know you well from coming on.
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  Speaker 1: You've been on a handful of podcasts and I've listened
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  Speaker 1: to your story on other podcasts The Southern Outdoorsman. Is
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  Speaker 1: that what it's called? Southern outdoors podcast? Yanni sent that
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  Speaker 1: to me saying, this guy's a riot and I've heard
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  Speaker 1: of do you other interviews? And I thought, man, we're
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  Speaker 1: down here. I want to meet you and have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk to you and introduce you to our listeners,
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  Speaker 1: to hear about some of your hunting adventures. Wow, and
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  Speaker 1: kind of your strange trip towards becoming an American hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely is an honor, man, I really appreciate it, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Can you before we get to Pablo, can you explain
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  Speaker 3: FWOP case anybody isn't up to speed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'd be happy to what it means? Is
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  Speaker 1: this a lot of times we have this problem, I'm
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  Speaker 1: addressing you listeners. We have this problem where we release
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  Speaker 1: shows on Mondays. So we always run into this problem
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  Speaker 1: where things will prevent us from releasing our show right away.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know this why it's called that? So one
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  Speaker 1: day I was saying that I wanted to be able
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  Speaker 1: to do to record certain shows or just flop it
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  Speaker 1: comes out flop being the noise made when it just
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  Speaker 1: comes out like fop am.
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  Speaker 3: When I heard it, I felt like you were some
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  Speaker 3: somehow going to compare the noise of it coming out
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  Speaker 3: with the sound of you slapping meat, because you have
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  Speaker 3: such an affinity for slapping meat. So I thought there
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  Speaker 3: was some connection there.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah, flop when you slap a back hand. No,
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  Speaker 1: this just means it's gonna come out. We're gonna do three.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna do three flops here on live tour. This
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  Speaker 1: is day one, this is the opening show. Everyone's nervous.
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  Speaker 1: We have a we're doing. I'm looking around and see
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  Speaker 1: who's listening because we're doing like a blowgun thing, and
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  Speaker 1: we're very scared about getting in trouble with the venues.
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  Speaker 1: So we asked one venue if we could bring Clay's mule.
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  Speaker 1: They said no, so we didn't ask about the blowgun stunt.
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  Speaker 1: It would be fine, I know, but I don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to bring it up ahead of time.
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  Speaker 1: Now you shouldn't because if you bring it up ahead
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  Speaker 1: of time, it's just gonna be no.
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  Speaker 3: But it's hopefully like the manager of the last venue
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  Speaker 3: that we're having to won't this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a pretty so we bought some blowguns
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  Speaker 1: from Tim Wells and he sends them with some wooden
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  Speaker 1: darts which look unassuming.
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  Speaker 2: Like a puncho. I'm in a pincho, my b.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I'm just no one's around right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little nervous about the blowgun situation.
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  Speaker 3: What's a pincho?
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  Speaker 2: Uh a Kebob, I'm sorry, yeah about pretty much, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bob skewer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, Pablo Escabel, you grew up in Costa Rica. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know this until today. You grew up
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  Speaker 1: in Costa Rica and you were engaged in like hunting
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  Speaker 1: activities in Costa Rica or you you experimented, you dam yes,
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  Speaker 1: experiment Tell about that a little bit. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: about you.
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  Speaker 2: So the thing is when I was down there, man,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hunting is legal down there, and yes it
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  Speaker 2: is legal. Any kind of species is illegal.
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  Speaker 1: Well you're saying illegal, like not legal.
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  Speaker 2: Not legal? God eat ilegal. Yeah. So you know, as kids, man,
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  Speaker 2: you developed your interest for sling shots, blowguns and things
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  Speaker 2: like that because you have resources all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, you start kind of like getting
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more curious, like I'm wondering if I
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  Speaker 2: can take that bird down with this rock and next
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  Speaker 2: thing you know, you start becoming efficient. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was it was hunting with a sling shot and blowguns.
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  Speaker 2: We used to go to the well the blowgun man.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't your particular blog, and it was just like
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  Speaker 2: we used to go to the hardware store, the only store,
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  Speaker 2: and they had like courting rods, like aluminum rod about
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  Speaker 2: half an inch about a meter long, which is like
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  Speaker 2: three feet three and a half. And then we used
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  Speaker 2: to go to the river to the creek areas and
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  Speaker 2: just dig some clay because it's clay everywhere, or keep
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  Speaker 2: them in out like in a plastic bag in your pack,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of moist into it, keep whatting there
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  Speaker 2: the clay so it stays nice and moist, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: dry right away. And man, I guess it became like
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  Speaker 2: a muscle memory because you were just kind of like
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  Speaker 2: doing your pellets with your fingers all the time and
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  Speaker 2: keeping pellets in there, so the pellets were getting mush.
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  Speaker 2: But then you just pull it back up and round
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  Speaker 2: the back up, put it in there and just keep shooting.
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  Speaker 1: Shooting soft clay. Yeah, but what were you hunting with
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  Speaker 1: the soft clay? Birds that would have enough too oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be amazed being soft. We didn't know anything about ballistics.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess when they hid and they kind of
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  Speaker 1: mush from I mean, we're talking about birds about this
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  Speaker 1: big Oh, they don't understand the chance of twenty yards
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  Speaker 1: like they coming down, you know. So would you ever
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  Speaker 1: get any kind of furred animals like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they got in coast through Well, the guys that
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  Speaker 1: they got like they got to have like uh labba paca.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know pisoti. No, it's like a like a
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  Speaker 2: coon with an elongated nose.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we call him.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot that money. Yes, Okay, there's some There's another
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  Speaker 2: one is uh Watusa and te squinty. Those are like
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  Speaker 2: a small cappy bar as as a reference, right, and
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  Speaker 2: those used to be with the sling shots. But that
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  Speaker 2: was not a one man job. Man. It used to
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  Speaker 2: be like trying to put a snake upon him. You know,
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  Speaker 2: three or four guys and everybody's gonna aim at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, and somebody's gonna hit it. Somebody's gonna hit it. Good. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta aim with a rug right of the head,
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  Speaker 2: So somebody's gonna hit him. We's gonna stung him, and
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  Speaker 2: then we're gonna run to him and get him and
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  Speaker 2: finish what we started. Yeah. So and you know and
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately maybe one out of fifteen, one out of twenty
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  Speaker 2: hounds worth successful. Okay, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And you're just going out in the jungle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, rightther on the fields because you know, I grew
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  Speaker 2: up in a place with a perfect balance in between
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  Speaker 2: country and a teeny tiny city or teen tight in town.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like there was a hospital in there, hardware store.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, as the years went on and on, everything
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  Speaker 2: started developing, but at the time when I was seven,
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  Speaker 2: that was it. And the funniest thing, well the best
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  Speaker 2: thing ever is that nobody had the internet. Nobody had
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  Speaker 2: cell phones. Like we used to just go and knock
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  Speaker 2: on somebody's door, trying to round everybody up because we're
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  Speaker 2: going to go to the river later on, and everybody
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  Speaker 2: will wait on the corner.
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  Speaker 1: Like round up your hunting party.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or whoever wants to go. Which it was nothing
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  Speaker 2: but kids, would you guys fish? Yes? A lot? And
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  Speaker 2: I mean I look at this core. We used to
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  Speaker 2: go to the hardware store and we were like, we
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  Speaker 2: need some fishing line, man, and you will get lined
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  Speaker 2: like for one thousand pounds morning just to go right
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  Speaker 2: there to the creek to get brams by this big
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Because you just didn't have access to sporting goods stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Now, they didn't have a rod, they didn't have nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And we used to just like do you do you know,
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  Speaker 2: are you familiar with the cuban? Yo? Yo? It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a got one of those. It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like we used to have bottles, plastic bottles, and you
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  Speaker 2: just kind of wrap your line around then long.
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  Speaker 1: Would you guys cast off those two? I've seen dudes
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  Speaker 1: down yeah, like down in South America cast with a bottle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Usually you cast towards the bottleneck like the end
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  Speaker 2: of the bottle is going to be your stop. So
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  Speaker 2: you cast. When you cast, kind of like tours.
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  Speaker 1: You're holding you're holding the bottom of the bottle.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much like this. You will cast like that so
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  Speaker 2: the line will go that way, you know. And we
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of fun, man, a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Uh would you guys, would you guys bring the stuff
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  Speaker 1: home and your mom and daddy cook it?
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  Speaker 2: I did, I brought everything home. My mama used to
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  Speaker 2: get so mad because you know, we didn't have much,
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  Speaker 2: and the few things that she had, I was always
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  Speaker 2: bringing everything into it. So she was like, this is
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  Speaker 2: your pen that you ain't gonna cook anything else these attendsils,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be your pain. So I was
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  Speaker 2: like okay, and I had the pen, and I used
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  Speaker 2: to cook all kinds of birds and some of them mammals.
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  Speaker 2: When we used to get Lucky cook him in there,
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  Speaker 2: or go to a friend's house and they had like
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  Speaker 2: a bigger pant so we could put a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: pig lord on it and just defried them. Oh my goodness, man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was good times, really really really good times. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: how can I say this? It was a different time
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  Speaker 2: runs as you know, everything else that is around us
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  Speaker 2: has been evolved in the culture has maintained itself, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and now unfortunately these days the loss is still the same.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I don't like is
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  Speaker 2: that we just enjoyed the outdoors man like we did,
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  Speaker 2: and the thrill of the chase, and you know, like
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  Speaker 2: that was it. It was not just killed for killed now,
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  Speaker 2: it was the thrill of the chase and then eating it.
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  Speaker 2: But unfortunately we were caught up many times and I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you caught me. Oh yeah. Back in those days,
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  Speaker 2: anybody was allowed to give you a whooping, regardless where
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  Speaker 2: you were. If it was somebody that you know, Now
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  Speaker 2: you're doing something wrong, somebody's gonna whoop you, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And it happened like that many many times because they
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  Speaker 2: grew up with them.
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  Speaker 1: You get caught and get whooped by someone, but not
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  Speaker 1: a cop.
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  Speaker 2: Now, no, the cops that only have batoons, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: really care, you know, But anybody else were like, what
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  Speaker 2: are y'all doing killing birds? I don't know, but just
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  Speaker 2: whoop you, man. And it was like we got to
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  Speaker 2: regroup and stay out of this place pretty much. And unfortunately, man,
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  Speaker 2: people grow up with the mentality that the honor is
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  Speaker 2: the uneducated, the honor is the ignorant, the honter is
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  Speaker 2: the savage.
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  Speaker 1: You know. That's a sentiment in Costa Rica pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Much, you know, and I truely respect it. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: the police is beautiful, man, don't get me wrong. And
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  Speaker 2: he's a fisherman's paradise.
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  Speaker 1: You can't spearfish, can't hunt, can't spar and so so
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  Speaker 1: this is where you I bet you love has changed
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  Speaker 1: throughout the years and of course, with social media and
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  Speaker 1: I was a lot easier to access everything else.
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  Speaker 2: But when I was down there, man, I never heard
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  Speaker 2: anything like such about like fishing restrictions or regulations or
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  Speaker 2: never like if you can catch a thousand of snappers,
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  Speaker 2: catch them. You know that was back then, But we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about like twenty years ago, right, so now these days,
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  Speaker 2: I bet you they do have different regulations and things
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  Speaker 2: of that nature back on place.
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  Speaker 1: So how is it that your mom came to the US.
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  Speaker 2: She get married with my stepdad, right, my stepdad Rick,
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  Speaker 2: she get married with Let me take a sip of water,
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  Speaker 2: because this is going to be a long story.
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  Speaker 1: Well keep it short. We've got a lot of ground
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  Speaker 1: to cover. We haven't even gotten the deer hunt yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she gets married with Rick. She said. I. Well,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. I didn't even know they were faxing
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  Speaker 2: get married. My mom was kind of dating Rig. Rig
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like going back and forth because of
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  Speaker 2: raking all that stuff from America. Yeah right, he born
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  Speaker 2: and raised in Alabama. So I didn't know English at all, nothing,
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  Speaker 2: Like I was just like, hey, I was a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: Then suddenly she's like, ayes on, we're gonna get married.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to the States, I said, cool, how are
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  Speaker 2: you man? When she left, I was between fourteen and fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: what I was about to be fifteen? My grandmother she
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  Speaker 2: was going to be on charge with me. But OK,
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  Speaker 2: but my grandma used to live on the other side
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  Speaker 2: of town, which I called town, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So on the bright side, I was the only teenager
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  Speaker 2: without adult supervision, you know. I was like, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: But once she took off, what were you doing for money?
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  Speaker 1: How did you support well?
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  Speaker 2: She said, did you stay in school, don't get in trouble,
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  Speaker 2: and we pay the bills, which the bills was the water, electricity,
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  Speaker 2: and food.
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  Speaker 1: So she split, Yeah, but you didn't view it that way.
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  Speaker 2: No, I just thought about like, I'm a man, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks after my mama left, I felt it and
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  Speaker 2: that's when I realized, man, I was miasing my mom
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  Speaker 2: so bad. She was like, son, we have a process,
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  Speaker 2: like we got you in a process. Oh, like in
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  Speaker 2: the reason, I don't know. I got to ask her.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember why I didn't qualify as a dependent
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  Speaker 2: right away. I want to say, because I was about
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  Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen. It's kind of like an immigration thing. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the years go on and she keeps saying like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we got to notice the documents have moved to a
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  Speaker 2: different office and all that stuff. Man. To be honest,
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: I thought that it was never going to happen. So
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  Speaker 2: I just kept on with my life. Got done with
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: high school. Then I went to a community college and
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: I took sport fishing. That's what I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to eventually become a captain of a sport
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  Speaker 2: fishing vessel.
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  Speaker 1: You studied sport fishing, yeah, we said study.
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  Speaker 2: It was about like six months of classroom theory, learning
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  Speaker 2: about species and how to rig lines and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then after that it was not in my fision
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  Speaker 2: fishing fishing every single day and the wash man. It
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  Speaker 2: was the greatest time ever, you know, even if we
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: didn't caut anything, it was it was the greatest. Well,
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  Speaker 2: so as I'm going, man, think about this, I'm twenty one,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: fiction be twenty two or I was twenty two, got
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: a life, the whole thing, you know, got the house
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  Speaker 2: and pursuing a career. Friends, you know, childhood friends and
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. So only mom calls Mom used to
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: go every Christmas, you know, so only she calls. She says, son,
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  Speaker 2: we got an appointment at the US Embassy, And I said, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: like there's been so many years now, like we're probably
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: just gonna go in there, somebody's gonna read a paper
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: something like that, and then they're gonna say the documents
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  Speaker 2: have moved to that office. Whatever. That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I said, We're just gonna be a quick ending. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Little did I know. Three days later I was living
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  Speaker 2: everything everything behind me. Jump through in a plane, which
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  Speaker 2: I've never done before. No, didn't know the culture, didn't
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  Speaker 2: know the language, have nobody, no land where Well we
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  Speaker 2: jump Becausta Rica. We landed in Houston, but I was
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  Speaker 2: with my mom because I was losing my mind when
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I went. We landed in Houston Airport. I never seen
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  Speaker 2: anything like that before in my life, man, so I
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  Speaker 2: was just mind blowing. We landed in Houston, went through
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  Speaker 2: the immigration office right there. The lady was asking me
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  Speaker 2: all kind of questions. I was just like, yes, I
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  Speaker 2: have no clue what she was asking because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: speak English. Came in. We flew from Houston to Huntsville,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: landed in Haunts full Then you know the idea that
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: you get from the States is like big cities, all
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  Speaker 2: these big, big cities, and I'm looking out, don't see
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  Speaker 2: nothing on the plane, you know, nothing feels like fields.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, where's the city? She said what city?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, the big the old building cities. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: I was so, well, do you remember where you at?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, Alabama. She said yeah, there's no
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  Speaker 2: big cities in Alabama. And I was just looking down, like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, what I got myself into.
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  Speaker 3: But you were excited and moving forward because so you're
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  Speaker 3: going to be with your mom.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that was the main thing. Well, we landed, made
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: at home. Next day home I got.
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  Speaker 1: I got back up on one kind of what he said,
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  Speaker 1: what was the main selling point to come to America?
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  Speaker 2: But there's no selling point. It was pretty much like
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  Speaker 2: a self explanatory thing. It's like, I'm gonna be with
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: my mom.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just so you viewed it
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: like primarily a way to be reunited with your mom.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with my mom and my little brother, you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: because I have a little brother. Oh he was here, Yes,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: he was here now. So I was like, it's this
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: is meant to be like this and whatever else is
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: up there for me. It's going to be there regardless.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Then we landed. Next day, wake up. First morning on
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the stage is September. So I'm out there looking man like,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: losing my mind on Rick's property we'll call it the farm.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And my mom, she said, and I'm gonna mention this
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to you. They fixed some chocolate gravy biscuits and I
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: was like, this is the greatest day ever in my life.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: And I mean I'm dunking them puppies in that gravy, man,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you know, just going out because I never tried it before.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: First breakfast excellent. Then Mama says, ah, we got to talk.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Rick has to talk to you. She was translated because
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Rick didn't speak Spanish and I didn't speak English, so
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: she was translated between us.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: And Rick said, ah, boy, no, it's you a good guy.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he is. Yeah, it's pretty much the backbone
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of everything that I have accomplished. To be honest, he said,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: a boy, we got to put some rules and things
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: that you got accomplished. And I said so. He says,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you got ninety days kind of like on the order
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to get a job, get a vehicle, learn angry, learn
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: learn some English. Get a driver license and find an apartment. Now,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I just kind of lie for my mom, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: and she looked at me and she's like, he's serious,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Like you got ninety days to make that happen. And
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, crap, you know, I waited all
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: these years and now here we are. I didn't realize
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I was in a courtroom, you know, like now I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: got ninety days to make this happen. Man, All day
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: long that day, I just couldn't stop thinking like what
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: am I going to do? Like literally, what am I
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: going to do? Go in in that night to a
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Mexican restaurant. I never been before in a Mexican restaurant.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: We go in there and I was so pumped, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: on my way back home it click. I said, Man,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: these people speak Spanish, then they speak English. This is it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't even have to wait to ride around. So
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I called my mom and said, Mom, can you take
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: me to the spot I really want to go and
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: ask for She said, we dropped to it. Want to
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: wear to the Mexican restaurant?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: We went back next day next morning, so I looked
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: for the manager and I said, man, I introduced myself
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and I said, man, I really need a job. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: will do this is I cleaned the floors like you
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: tell me, But I need a job. Keyword I do
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: not to speak English. He said, okay, cool man, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: really like that attitude. I'm gonna teach you how to
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: wait tables. I was like, Doe, I just told you
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I don't speak English. He's like, don't worry. I'm gonna
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: put you with this girl. She's gonna teach you and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: don't worry about it. Little did I know? That day
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I was standing in front of my wife.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: What right, that's who you're married too.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the lady. And it was like the Billy
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Madison movie with the child board and all that stuff.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: That's pretty much. But she was teaching me how to
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: do everything. Huh and well I started getting good at it,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and I said, honey, really like you. Would you like
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to be my girlfriend? She said, my dad doesn't let
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: me have boyfriends. I was like, what you know? I said,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: who's your dad? She said, he's seated out there. I said,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I give me one second, man. I just went straight
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to him and I introduced myself and I said, sir,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I really like your daughter. I would like to see
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: if I can get permission to today or maybe to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: go on a Why was he in the restaurant He
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: was eating. Oh yeah, that day, the day that I asked,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: he was eating on the restaurant.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So I said, you said this in Spanish.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because he's Mexican. Yeah, so I'm asking him,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: can I that your daughter? And also I mean, you're
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: more than welcome to come with us to a movie theater,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to another restaurant, it don't matter. And the dude don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: say nothing. He just staring at me like apayable, you know.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm there like it's that yes or no? Like
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: is this a cultural thing that I'm not aware of?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So I said, well, sir, thank you so much for
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: your time. And I just came back and no answer, no, none,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and and and that's the beginning of one of the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: craziest ride of my life, like one of the craziest ones.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And hm hmm, Well when when did he say yes?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: He never did when you're married. But yeah, but here's
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the thing. I go back to her. She said, what
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: did he say? I said, he didn't say nothing. She said,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm in trouble. So I was like, God,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the money. Well, next day she doesn't show up the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: work and now I'm kind of nervous. No, second day
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: she doesn't, and I was like, dude, I believe third day,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna put it out there because everybody
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: knows that like it. It's not that big of a deal,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: no more. It's a personal story, but it's not a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: big of a deal no more. But she comes to
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: work and she has a little bit of purple on
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: her side, and I said, what happened to you? She said, well,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: my dad had a little like one too many drinks
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and he kind of like hit me a little too
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: hard because I've been talking to you. What I said?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I said, heck no, said do you want to go
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: with me? She said where? And I said I don't know.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: She said, yeah, dude. The only thing that I needed
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: was a horse and a cowboy hat to make it
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: look like the Western style. And we just left on
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: my truck that day. Oh well, at the time, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: already had the truck, but I'm still living with Rick
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: on Rick's house.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you stole her away. Well, she needed to.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Was eighteen, she was fixing to be nineteen, wow, And
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I was twenty two. We left, and I said, uh,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I got to talk to my mom. Called my mom
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and said, Mom, do you remember that girl that I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: talked to you about that I like her? She said yeah,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Now she's with me. She said, Okay, what are y'all doing?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I said, well, we're running. And it was a brave pause.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: She's like, in the name of Jesus, in the name
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of Jesus, you stop what you at tell me right now.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And well it was a big deal. One of them
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: guys from the restaurant gave her dad my number, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the news called me furious. It was, oh my god,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill you. And I said, listen to chill.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I said, chill, let's speak like men, you know, let's
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: let's just be reasonable about this and let's just talk
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like me. And I try to talk to you once
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and you didn't talk to me. Let's just talk this time. Ah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I meet you tomorrow the Walmart out there, well live
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and I said, my ELA's my wife's just like, it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: not looking good and I said, no, no worries, Like
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I got it. We get too, man. I pull up
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to the parking lot. Then I get out of the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: truck and this dude comes out running, flashing a gun,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: like losing his mind. And I said listen, I said,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: whoa chill. I said, listen first and foremost, let's fix him.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Call the cops. I said, put that thing up. If
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you're trying to impress me, that's the wrong impression. I said,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I came here to talk to you, and you're behaving
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: like I don't even know how. Well, then the situation
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: gets weird because the dude starts crying m hm. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, as a dude, you just pointed
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the gun at me, cussing me out. Now he's crying.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: He started doing it, you know, his panic blessing and
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, and he said, I gotta give you
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the blessing. I'm just kind of like, what's what's going
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on with this dude? I mean, he grabs me by
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: my mouth and kiss me in my mouth? Her father, Yeah, yeah, dude,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I froze on time right there. And I said, hell, no, man,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: that ain't no blessing, Like what's wrong with you? You know?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And and she was like no, no, I'm I'm sorry.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I don't understand, and well you're taking my little baby
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and this and that, and I was like.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Well, back up, your wife views it as a blessing
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: or she No, she.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Was like, I never heard that he is he gay?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I hope it ain't because that they traumatized me.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So there was an unexpected maneuver on his part.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a carbal. I wasn't never respecting. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was like, what's going on?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Your wife wasn't expecting it?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: No, she was just like, well, this is this and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I was that my wife.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: She was surprised by it. Yeah, and our other dudes,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you know, from our other like Latino dudes that you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: surprised by that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Everybody said that one no blazing. I knew everybody. Man,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Everybody's like, I do that ain't no blazing. I said,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that's mm hmm.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You think it's a show of dominant.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: What kind of dominant? But I don't want to know
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: that dominance and what I mean, like.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I get the feeling it's important. I heard Babo's story
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: about the kiss. Yeah, but my my, uh, the way
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I would read it would be that he sounds like
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: he had his own issues. Sounds like maybe he didn't
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: have a plan.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Like you're getting an unstable vibe off ofim.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I Yeah, and then maybe that like he was literally
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: overjoyed that you such a fine, young, upstanding man. Would
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you know? I want to be with his daughter. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the way that he expressed expressed himself in that moment
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: with a kiss.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: That's why I wait to express himself. And I wish
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you would have just stroked my hand.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: That's really something I would have been thrown by that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I had to go ask my wife's dad if I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: could ask her to get married. He didn't do nothing
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like that really, and I was like, I was like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't give a big old smooch.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, there, you just like traumatized me
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: for that sure, And I said, from.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Now on this, So how did the interaction end?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: That was it?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: He just keep saying some stuff. Man my head, he's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: but how did he?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, I want to, I want to. This is great,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I want to. I just want to cover a couple
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: more things. But I just need to understand something. What
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to your knowledge now looking back on it, what is
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: his state of mind from brandishing a pistol to a blessing,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a Catholic blessing to a kiss.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: How many seconds, how many minutes we're talking about we're
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: talking about five four or five minutes.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It was a blast.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: The drill came out really good, I mean really quick.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: He came out of that truck like if it was
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a drug bust, you know, just and all.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: That stuff by himself.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then he kind of hit a breake ball.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I guess, because if you think about it in a
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: psychological aspect, he might have don't hit a breakball because
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: he wasn't impressing me. And I was telling him.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You weren't intimidated, no, you know, with some part of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you wondering if he was gonna shoot you or do
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you know he wasn't gonna shoot you?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: No?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I knew, man, you knew he wasn't gonn shoot Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I knew he was just bluffing. And it was just
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the wrong cowboy to mess with, you know. So I
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: was like, man, then he hits that wall and he
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: realizes that, yeah, they like each other, and she's fixing
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to go with him, and he starts going that and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: then I guess his emotions just and crazy.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Is he a part of your life? Now?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: No? No, now that I cut ties, I said, man,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: because Christmas later, I was like, hey, man, I'm gonna
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: go back to something else. The tension stayed in there.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Sure it was tangion, especially from my part, because I
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: was just looking at him.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Like you weird though, like yeah, yeah, yeah, well Christmas
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and he'd hit your wife, yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: And Christmas party comes along. He knew that I didn't
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: eat spies food at all, like spies spies. You don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like spicy food, yeaheah. I ate something, but not like
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: fire right, okay. He fixed a plate for me and
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: it was dynamite with chicken. Literally, like my nose was
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: running ice. I mean you're talking about I was having
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a bad time and he's just looking at I'm like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: how is it? Is it good? And I was like
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: it's delicious. I was an and I cleaned that plate
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: because I wasn't gonna let these men save me fumbling
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: right there. I was like, no, if I'm dying, I'm
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: dying and standing, you know. And it was a try
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and she was like, don't eat that. The morning, I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: said no, I'm not gonna give him the joy, you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: when I'm finishing this. And that day I was like
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: this is it? Does it?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I said, I don't give you many many chances and
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you keep coming to kind of like a trying to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: sucker punch me. And I said every time that I'm
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you know, pretty much like opening myself up to you.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So after that, I just decide that for my personal interest,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: it was better off if I just kind of kept
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: my distance, not interfered with the relationship between father and daughter,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: because that's none of my business, you know what I mean?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Are they close kind of yeah, that's a story for
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a different time. Yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but wow, welcome to America.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, and all this happened. Ninety days are up, and.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I got all this is all in the ninety days.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I was thinking, like, you're like.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'll do you one better. I'll find a girl.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then at the end of the ninety days,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I had all the requirements that RIG wanted. Plus I
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: was moving into the apartment with my current wife, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: with my wife, we're moving into.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: The driver's license. Yes, I was a social Security number
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I had.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I had a two hour break on the restaurant. So
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I had a dictionary and the driver license manual and
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I was just trying to translate and make sense out
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of it. I knew how to drive a vehicle kind
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of but I knew that she was going to ask
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: me a bunch of questions. I felt the test four times,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: no three, and I passed it on the fourth one
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because she was like, let's do a three point maneuver.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, keep driving. You didn't know
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: what she said, could ride and make and ride and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I was like okay, and until she was like pull over,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: pull over, pulling with the wheeler of me. Then she
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was like, ah, you see it on the passenger side.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And I was like, ah, I failed.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: What happened? And my mom what? And I was like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: what happened? So where you failed? That's what happened. I
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, so yeah, the fourth time I got it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: So when, uh, when did you? Because because you've become
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a very avid American hunter, here's when you got to America.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So we talked about growing up in Costa Rica and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you had like you you had like the drive. And
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: this is an interesting deal. My man was raised by
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Italian immigrants. He's raised by his Italian immigrant grandparents. My
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: father they didn't know, there's no kind of He grew
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: up in the slums in the South Side of Chicago,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: but he knew he don't know where it came from,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: but he knew he was supposed to be a fisherman
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and a hunter, and he would go fish on the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: pier in Lake Michigan. He would go try to jump
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: on a train and ride a train out and try
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to hunt rabbits along the railroad tracks outside of the city.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: He was called to it, right, So you had the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: calling when you came to the US. How long did
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it take for you to put together that you'd landed
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in like a hunting fishing paradise.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It took me a little bit because everything was a process, right,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and I was kind of like an evolving as I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: was going and understanding a little bit more at the time.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And then I start seeing deer on the side of
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the road being hit by a car whatever I live,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, Well, my stepdad's
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: never been a hunter before.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: He was a farmer.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: No, he had a construction business.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: He had a farmer, didn't farm.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: We just called it the farmer. Yeah, the only animal.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And there was my little brother's dog. So I said, Rick,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: how do you hunt? And he was like, no, man, uh,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you gotta have property, you gotta have land,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and you know, and I was like, really, my mom
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: was kind of translating me. So they turned direct to view.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: At the time, it was direct to view memory. It
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: was no big social media like it is right now.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I ain't know anything about anything. And well it was
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: this deer hunting shows from the Promised Land, you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the Midwest. I have no clue just watching. He was like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: this guy's got thousands of acres manages, as is anything else. Well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: there's public gun but if you go to public line,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: everybody's going to be shooting out you. You don't want
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to go there. And all that I remember about a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: year or two went by, and I was like, man,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I really really want to, like because I brought my
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: sling shot with me, the frame I practicing. My little
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: brother had a baby gun. Then I got a baby
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: gun man, and I was in the middle of the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: first thing that Rick told me is like, donoculate anything.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, why, He's like, there's rules and regulations.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Well that was another chapter to me understanding why we
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: do the things that we do right here right now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: why we have laws of conservation, and why do we
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: follow the things that we follow, you know, which it
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: was a really good like mine opening bread fresh and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, these people really do
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the right thing. As he kept going. I was very
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: interested at the time because I was just shooting pellets
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and clays and things about on the backyards of targets.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: You know. Well, we're doing a work on a construction business.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: This gentleman pulls up and he says, man, can I
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: speak with the foreman? I just want to know. He
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: was leading some concrete on the side. Well, they asked
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: me if I wanted to participate on that Saturday, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I said sure. So we go and we're pulling the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: conquer and all that stuff. My step that comes by home.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: You're at a job site. Yes, I was another huge
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: shows up to inquire about some concrete work.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Pretty much to get out to get out an estimate.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Now you got to remember I was on the Mexicans.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Take it as a side job and you jump in
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I was on the Mexican restaurant about three months and
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I got it. I'm good.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I'm I can go through the world. I know how
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to speak English and which I didn't, but I was
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: very confident, like I now I know what I'm doing. Well, literally,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I know. Man, I go to get a job on
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: construction and I'm going I'm going to a stand their
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: system and I'm coming from a metric system. M hm,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: well back to square one. And I was like, God,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I'm mighty yards miles.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Inches the dumbest shit in the world.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Man, Everything is just backwards. So I was like, God,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I'm mighty. Anyways, I get better at it. It's been
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: three years. I saw it as a groundsman with no
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: experiencing anything, didn't understood anything. And I move up to
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: a concrete finisher so that they were doing that job.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: My stepdad comes out. I've been watching the shows, keep
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: constantly watching these shows. My stepdad comes out, he said, son,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: let me show you something. He's like, come over here.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So we go on the back of this property where
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: we pouring the concrete as mister Tony Mile's residence. Right.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: We walk on the backside and there is giant one
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty plus class bucks all over one seventies
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: one eighties state records, you name.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It all over on the wall.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah text so yeah, shoulder mounds and a bunch of
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: euro mounds. So I'm losing my mind and never seen
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: this before. And I was like, oh my god. First
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: thing that came to my mind. I said, he probabably
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: sells them. I said, do you sell them? Mister Tony
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: was kind of laughing. He said no, I don't. I said,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: what did you kill him? He said right up there?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what is that? And I asked
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: my stepdad the name of the place. He's like, well,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that's public. I was like, oh my god, and I'm
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: admiring and all that stuff. Well, the country is drying up,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: so I have to go back. At went back, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: got a brief talk with mister Tawny and uh Man,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I came back home and I just couldn't stop thinking
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: about it. I just couldn't stop thinking about it. How
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: magnificent these animals were, decides everything. Never seen anything like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that for my life. So as a rick, I really
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: want to go hunt. He said, well, first thing you
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: gotta do is take the Hunter Education course. And I said, ah,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: So I took it online, got it done. That was
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. I said, okay.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, well, did they have that in Spanish?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: You did it in English? No?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: In English? Yeah. At the time I was able to
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: comprehend way more than what I was able to speak,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Like I could comprehend, but I can speak anything, which
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I'm still you know, fumbling here and there. But got
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it done, you know, based on the pamphlet and all
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that stuff. I said, Okay, so you can hunt from
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: this day to this day, you know, from like October
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the fifteenth until January the thirty as an example. Right,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: so good. I want to bowt like the guys from
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the show. So they take me to a big buck store, man,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and they try to give me a right handed bowt,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: but I'm left handed. So I'm growing the thing like this.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel good, and I'm like, no, I can't.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Eventually they found a left handed boat and the so
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: called technician is called another technician who is calling another
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: technician just to try to help me set it up,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: set the peep side, and I said, I'm going home, man,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I go home to set the boat. Watch a few videos,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and I said, I I'm gonna set it up. The
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: first shot that smoked my forearm, I mean I'm talking
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: about like that, and put several shots through the siding
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: of the house. Uh, several hours disappear. By the grace
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: of God, there was no neighbors because I sent a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: lot of broheads. They just said, you know, and I
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: got good. It's been three years. Well hold on because
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: this is one. It's a shame. But I went to Walmart.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: It's my first day, first day ever. Man, I'm ready.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do an evening hunt. So I go to
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Walmart and I told the lady on the hunting section,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: can I get some saying deer sing, you know, because
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: these dudes are spraying all the time in the shows.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: He said, dear saying and I said yes, and she
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: said dear pin. I said yes, you know, Like what.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Do I know?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: She gives me a big bottle. Man, I go jump
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: out of the truck, and that's what these guys are doing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And the first pump, I was like, god, money, I said,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: this crap is this tout? Yeah? Yeah, but I just
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: go out it man yourself in that deer pa and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I'm guging.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: It was diestrous. Later that I know all these dudes
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: are spraying with say killer man. I didn't know the difference,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: you know, So that was a really rough lesson that day.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, don't spread this crap on yourself. You
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, I was like, god man made
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: at home and I walked in. She said, how do
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: you get out? What is the smell? And I was like,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: guess what they used? And she was like, nobody's using
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: that kind of crap? What's wrong with you? Anyways? You
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: know how to get rid of that thing? And I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: was mimicking what I was watching the shows.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: So how long did you hunt for? You got a
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: deer hold on.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It's been three years, so at this point you hunted
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: three long seasons, mimicking what they.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Do all bowl hunting.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah on Iowa, Kansas, Illinois. Down here in Alabama, you're.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Taking those moves and you're hunting an Albanion.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like Halloween and I'm entering rather than
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: they don't run into January. Right, never saw a thing
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: until finally I start seeing deer poop and I was
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: like at the time, I had the phone and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: was like, how those deer poop looks like? And I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I'm on And I was like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I'm getting very close and never seeing the thing. So
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I said, Rick, something's gonna have to change, man, I said,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: do you remember mister Tony? He said, yeah, I said,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: do you know if she still lives in there? He said,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I said, I'm going to go. I
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: know the concrete, so I'm going to go find them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: He said, oh man, I'll go out there and look
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: at the house. Found the concrete and I said, that's him.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: That's the house. Doesn't seem to be nobody. And I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: said two things. Something is gonna happen. I'm gonna find
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Tony or I'm gonna catch around. But you know, I'm
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: gonna fix it. A gay shot. Knock on the front door. Nobody,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I remember we went on the back. Now.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I was just bracing myself for the impact, you know,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: because it's the South, you know how it goes. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: then if you use the stereotypes, he has an accent,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: he has the tears, you know what I mean. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I said, here we go. I went back there, knocking
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: the door. Miss Donna comes out. She's like, can I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: help you? And I was like, hello, Hey, do you
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: remember me? No, No, who are you? I said, it's
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: mister Tony Holmes. She said he's honey. He was back
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: later on, so I'll be back. I just went and
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: sat in the party for like six hours and then
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I seen his stroke pull in. I said, all right,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: here we go, pull back in. Man. He recognized me.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Oh hey, buddy, coming in. I remember, man, it's been
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: three years. Then I started talking with Tawny and he
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: realized that I was a grown man with the experience
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: of a three year old kid on the woods and
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and he said, man, we got a lot of work
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: to do. We're gonna start from zero. I said, I
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: do you know your feet? Trees? And I was like
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: what is that? Do you know your seasons? The road
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and I was like what is the road? Man? Feeding
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: wise and all that stuff. I ended up getting a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: book that says Alabama plants and bushes, you know, like native,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: just to get a better understanding of all the different species.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: He was like, Okay, this is a white oak, this
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: is a red oak. I had no clue. And when
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you know, whenever they get full of acorns, they're fixing
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the drop and I was like, what they're going to drop?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: He was like acrons and I was like what is
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: an acorn? He was like this and I was like,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: what is it? There's gonna eat it. And the process
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: went like that. Next year, I'm sitting on this piece
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: of public first time ever a deer.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I was climbing at the time. I was wearing a
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: steel climber by choice, because you golumb about one hundred
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: yards from the truck man circulations to your arms. Everything
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: is cut like this, everything is purple, you know what
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I mean. It's so heavy and climb up and there
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: is a deer like I can actually see and it
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: has antlers. Man, So I never understood this by buck
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: fever Man, I thought I was having a heart attack,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Like I couldn't stop shaking. My blood pressure was up
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to the roof, and I was like, oh my god,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: this is it, this is it. And the thing comes
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: right in like textbook. I ain't no telling where I'll
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: send that error, man, there's no telling where that era
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: went to. That in takes up running and I was
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: like looking at the error and the deer just disappears
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: there he's went three years.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: How old are you now?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I was like six, and I'm not gonna lie. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: cry like a kid that day because I was like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: this is what he said, like, this is what he
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: was like. He just came down to this moment.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Tears of joy or frustration, frustration.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And I was like, and I blew it. That guy
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: blew it out of the water. Well. I came home heartbroken,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: told my wife I ain't never doing this again. Period.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: You're done.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: What happened? I said, I missed? Deer's in deer and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: he had antlers and I missed. He said, well, just
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: try harder, and I was like, it's not that, is it?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: She doesn't hunt. About three days later, I was off
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the whole week. She says, so you're not going back
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: to the woods and I said.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I'm done with that, never ever again. She said, just
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: go and walk and kind of clear your mind. Now.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: She left the work in about twelve twelve thirty. I said,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: you know what, She's right, I'm just going to go
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: for a walk. So I went back to the place
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: where I missed. Look up and I was like about
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: to cry again. I was like, I'm right here, walking
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: about one hundred yards south, sat on the ground.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: How far was that shot that you missed?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Thirteen or fourteen yards? Like he was right there? And
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I had a ready sure, man, we've all been there. Man,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you don't need to be Costa Rican the miss man.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: We've also missed all kinds of stuff. Oh yeah, And
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I sat on the ground that that evening. I says,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: screw it, I'm just going to sit here for the evening.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: And I remember this like if it was yesterday. Man
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: had a street stumped behind me, a lug and a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: previous head. I'm just pretty much in the same position
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that I'm at right now, looking at it was a trail,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: but I have no idea that it was a trail
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: that was the opening right here. So I was sitting
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: here with a little bit of sand and stick, just
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: kind of like making the time go a little bit faster.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Next thing I know, I heard some footsteps and I said,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I said, squirrel. And I look up and the same book,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the small a pointer is walking my way. So I
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: was like, dude, and well, I'm on panic mode. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: cannot get my release on the boat. I'm shaking so
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: bout I'm having a sei shure attack man. And I'm
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: on the ground, yes, seating, And next thing I know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that book is right there, Man like right there just
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: looking at me.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: But how far ten twelve again dodging around?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob in his head like, what is that thing?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing the peep side. I don't remember
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: am I just know I did this and I heard
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that tump boom that thing mume kicks stakes up running
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: and I thought that I seen him pile up because
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I seen him come like going, and I was like,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: oh my god. Now panic set seen because I was like,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: they're gonna find us both dead right here, like I'm
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: facing to have a heart attack, you know what I mean.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Settled myself down a little bit, went to the air man.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: The errors covered up with blood, and I said, I
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: gotta get out of here now. So I got out.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Called my wife and I was like, honey, I killed him.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Instead of being supportive, She's like, are you sure like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: you like you kill him like you didn't miss like
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: last time. And she got on my head back man,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, she She might
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: have been right. I could have just spooked him. I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I hit him, man. Man, talk
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: about a pickle. You know. Well, at the time, I
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: didn't have ONIX. The only light that I have was
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: my cell phone. So I'm trying to find this stump.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: It's already dark and I'm trying to find the stump
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: where I was sitting to go look for my arrow,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to try to find that.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: You can't even remember where you were alone, I have
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: no clue.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: About two hours go by, I was like, right here
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: there it is. The air was torching blood. I was like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I hit the thing. I hit him,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: and man, I keep looking and look, well there was
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: a blood trail about this big and I just keep
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: walking over and never saw it. You know, I was
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: about to start crying again. Next thing, you know, that
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: buck was like maybe from here to where real was at? Yeah,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: and I lost my mind dragging him out. The first
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: thing that they went to Tony's house. He was so pumped
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: about it. Man, you take the buck and showed him. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: he was like, it's nothing but a small two and
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: a half year old a point basket, a pointer. I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: showed them mound that book. I swear to God because
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: it was is the first deer that I ever shot
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: in my life and it was a buck. So I
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: showed him A guy him out end of the house.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And after that, you know, the processes start getting better.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Now I'm hooked birth man, Yes, but but this is
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: like I don't like I was able to taste it,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: you know, what I mean?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And did you just get your You got your biggest buck.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: To date this year day before Christmas.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I'm public laying here. The first one I got home
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: day before Christmas, so you got no I'm sorry.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Day before Thanksgiving this year. The biggest book ever of
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: my life happened in Halloween. And literally, I know, three
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: weeks later I was gonna kill the biggest buck ever.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I broke my pebe and freaking said like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: that two times.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: This is both on public ground.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yes this picture, yeah sure, And I'm going to show
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: you the one that I killed the day before Thanksgiving.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So this is the second biggest bug.
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  Speaker 2: I was like a man, you ain't never gonna make
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: this happen again. And uh, next thing, you know, this
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: hold on this one is there? It is.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Holy cow man.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah man, that's Alabama public book guys in Alabama public land. Giant.
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  Speaker 2: Look look at the one right here here.
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  Speaker 1: We even filmed that with your camera.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Look the inside is spread of that thing.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: How how wide is it?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Nineteen and a half.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: That's a cool picture. Filming out with your camera. Even
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you want to film something, you're getting a good shot
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of it. Dude. You know what I like about all that.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I like everything about that story. But the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: biggest thing is this is an observation I make all
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: the time. And I've mentioned a bunch. It doesn't matter
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: where you go in the country, and me and Jani
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: eve been fortunate to go everywhere, all over the place
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: talking to guys that hunt, talking to guys of fish
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: everywhere around the country. Everywhere you go, there's two kinds
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: of guys, and man, they live next door to each other.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: There's the guys that like it all sucks now. Fishing
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: game ruined it, the mung ruined it, the wolves ruined it,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the out of staters ruined it. It all sucks right,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And next door to him everywhere you go in the
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: country is the guy that can't scratch the surface. There's
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: so much to do and he's so excited to be
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: alive and he can't get to it all. And you're
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that guy.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I like that. The crazy thing is
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that you know, after well, mister Tunny introduced me with
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: mister Michael Perry, mister Jamie McKay, and the ball keeps
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: on rolling, Parking McDonald, then Williams and everybody just started
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: like pitching in, you know, to educate you, to educate, Yes,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And I started learning from all these killers. Man, Like
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: everybody's like, I'm doing good this lesson that mister Tony
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: taught me, and I think it was the most valuable
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: thing that he could said to me. He was, you
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: got to put some deer under your belt. Don't think
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna just go out there and shoot one
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of these.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Just get it figured out.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, I said, I'm so. I kill a bunch of spikes,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: a bunch of them and those and four pointers, and
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: just keep shooting with my boat with the rifle. If
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: it was legal, I was shooting it just to learn, yes.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: And he was like, eventually he's gonna click.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I had several encounters with really big dear. Couldn't take
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: a shot, got busted five years ago Christmas going to
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: be five years ago. Put a shot on that monster
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: with my bow. He was running, man, and I hit
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: him a little too far back. I couldn't stop it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, man, man, man, we got dogs
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: that I was shut him at by nine o'clock in
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: the morning. It was like four o'clock in the morning
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: next day.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Never found him.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Never man. The blood went dry and heartbreaker. But it
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: was incredible. It was one of the best moments ever
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: because I was like, good, that confirms, you know that
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm learning and the process that I've been following
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: is actually paying off. Now now I took like put
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: a step inside of what these guys do, you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Like I had an encounter and it's really good that
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I have this experience because now I can relate with
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: them because this will happen, and He's going to happen.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that killing that deer would have
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: steered me on the wrong direction. I could have got cocky.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Oh I don't got it all figured out?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Oh gotcha?
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I did just killed and all. You know what I mean.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: So it was a very humbling experience. There's a lot
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: more work to do, and it has to start with
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: myself practicing throughout the whole year. Then well, one of
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: those days with Daniel racking my mom, they gave me
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: my first rifle ever in my life ever, never own
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: one of arm. It's a thirty or six Remington seventy
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: seven thirty or six. Then throughout the years, I've been
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: having issues missing, you know, so I was like kind
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: of weird. Then Daniels said, like, when was the last
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: time you side this thing in?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what what do you mean signing
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: litter that? I know? You know you gotta take this
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: character range And I have no clue. I thought they
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: just go out there.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: It was it was brought to you with the scope
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just thought that you put that cross
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: where he's at. And because man, I had a dough,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I hit it boom and she hunched over and I
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: went crazy, and man, and it looked like a battle.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Feel like they're just blowing all over her. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: she was kind of like helping around. I just keep shooting,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: reloading four more shots in the magazine. I end up
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: enting twelve shots that day. And I was like, what's
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: going on? I bet everybody in that public piece was like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the hall or you know? And yeah,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: to make it short, man, I never found it dough
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: never did you know?
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I learned your lesson there too.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I said, Daniel. He said what happened? And
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm means And then that's when he brought
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: up like, when was the last time you saw this thing?
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: So what're me in? He's like you shot at our target,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: say a deer. He's like, wait, like eight targeting and
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: say I never, like I just due can wing honting.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: He was like, oh my god, no, man, it was
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: like your typical goodwill twenty nine ninety nine dollars is cope.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: You know you got to try to like you just
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: spend five minutes trying to find the thing and finally
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: you find it. He looks awful. Yeah, I thought that's
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: what he was. And it was pretty funny. It was
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: a very fun experience.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Well, Papa, listen, man, we got to get ready for
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the show. This is awesome to talk to you.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Though, I know, man, is that this is a very
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: unique opportunity. I really appreciate you guys.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I'd like to have you on to tell more of
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: the hunting stories. But that's a good background prime right there.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Definitely, the enthusiasm is both like jealousy inducing and motivating.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: You know, appreciate it because I think part of the
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: thing that we sometimes battle, at least I do, is
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: because we get to do it so much. I sometimes
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: find myself like I'm like I should be more excited
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: in this moment. I just got to kill an other
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: beautiful mule deer buck in the mountains of whatever Western state. Man, man,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: And I'm here in the moment, but like, I don't
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: have the enthusiasm that you're experiencing for shooting spikes and dose.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Man, I get it with a dough like as we speak.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I get lacer sharp on the moment as soon as
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: that arrow or that bullet leaves. It's like a dumb
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: But I don't know how. And this, oh man, uh,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: this been the best season ever. Two bucks out of state.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I gotta give a shot to Clay really quick. Gave
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: me his bebs, got clays newcomes bebes. They didn't even
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: wash them as I ain't even gonna wash them because
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: it got Clay's look.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Put him on.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Went to Kansas by myself. Just jump on my truck
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and drop shot a buck. Color friend. They're like a man, nice,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: We're heading to Missouri, I said, can I join? Yeah?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Went down to Missouri, shot a buck the still with
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: my boat, came home and shot to one of them
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: being that bay when the riba was showing y'all with
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: with all of them with Kay's beebe son excellent. Man
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: has something you know, I've never been supertitious, but.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: This I might have to get a parent. I want,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I want to welcome you to America.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man, welcome to me in your life. Thank
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: you all.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all. Thank you. How A good one