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Ep. 153: Viva Mexico, Bro · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming in you shirtless,
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  Speaker 1: severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, Chris, you might revisiting a conversation
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  Speaker 1: we had real quick, not at all. Uh Rich Pounder
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  Speaker 1: and I were wondering, if you're eating an apple in
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  Speaker 1: the woods, you like, stop for a moment. Then you
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  Speaker 1: eat an apple, You finish your apple, why do you
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  Speaker 1: throw it? Why do you throw the core instead of
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  Speaker 1: just dropping it? Why do you want it like you're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be there. My theory was because, well, I
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  Speaker 1: think about it, like, I can't do that in my house.
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  Speaker 1: You have to take it over to the trash. Can
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  Speaker 1: you take the trash? You gotta open it and delicately
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  Speaker 1: place it in. But when you're outside you just huck it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it feels good. But if you were standing where like
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  Speaker 1: let's say you're eating an apple and you finish it
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  Speaker 1: and you huck it and where it lands, if you
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  Speaker 1: had eaten the apple where it landed, you'd huck it
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else. Yeah, you just huck it away from wherever
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  Speaker 1: you're at it. I'm gonna stop doing it, though, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna start when I finish the apple. I'm sitting that.
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  Speaker 1: But you tried it and you didn't like it. The
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  Speaker 1: trash being near you. Yeah, I tried just setting just
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  Speaker 1: dropping the apple core since I'm not staying there anyway. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just drop the apple core. But no, you're something about
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  Speaker 1: your body wants to curl. Huck. I want to make
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  Speaker 1: a throwing motion right now, and I don't. I am
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  Speaker 1: not even eating an apple. Uh. People like throwing ship
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  Speaker 1: they do certain kinds of things. Yeah, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: the core is visually unpleasant. You don't want that sitting next.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why we really it might attract insects,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not why you throw a core. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean you're saying you don't know exactly why, but it
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  Speaker 1: might be like oh in your deep down, Yeah, in
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  Speaker 1: your deep down that a part Is that a part
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  Speaker 1: of you? Your deep down? If I told you I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna grab your deep down like the mammalian brain, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like how little kids come pre wired fear snakes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we're prewired to distribute apple seeds. Yeah, just like
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  Speaker 1: a bird. Interesting, I'm comfortably moving on. Is that very good?
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  Speaker 1: Of course? Uh? You know what's funny I'll point out, well,
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  Speaker 1: god us talking about apple Core hawking was not an
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  Speaker 1: apple Core damn bananippele m hm. Because you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to slip, know you just don't. You don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want that thing around you. You want to like clean
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  Speaker 1: little space. Has anyone writing that you know ever slipped
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  Speaker 1: on a banana pele? Do we know anyone here who
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  Speaker 1: has actually done that? You know? I feel like maybe
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  Speaker 1: we had a good laugh about someone once slipping on
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  Speaker 1: a banana pel The writer Chris off It once said
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  Speaker 1: to me he didn't make this up, but talked about
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  Speaker 1: someone having one ft out the door and one on
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  Speaker 1: a branana peel or something like that. But now I
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  Speaker 1: haven't Maybe I like where did that start? Is that
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  Speaker 1: like a cartoon visualization that has now seeped into like
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  Speaker 1: all of our But yeah, it's the kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: that you know from its representation rather than its individual reality. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Great story we heard dar night, and I think we
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  Speaker 1: can all put it together right Uh, And then we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get into a couple of listening issues before we
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  Speaker 1: get down to talk about what we're here to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: So a mug where you're having dinner with you dar
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  Speaker 1: at night. D what's his name's hunter? And he kind
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  Speaker 1: of defies my old thing that if you have a
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  Speaker 1: kid and you want him to hunt, you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll name him a hunter and he'll become a hunter.
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  Speaker 1: And I've seen that backfire lot, but not on this dude.
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  Speaker 1: What was this dude's name, Ynni Hunter? Meek him? Need's
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  Speaker 1: meek him or meet him? He guides for Jay Scott
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  Speaker 1: and Dark Holburn and he's a lion man. He's a houndsman,
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  Speaker 1: comes from a long line of houndsman. Comes from a
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  Speaker 1: long line of famous houndsman who have a long line
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  Speaker 1: of famous hounds and Utah. I believe they hunt Utah.
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  Speaker 1: And his father and his uncle and his family does
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  Speaker 1: a lot of also helps out with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: research projects involved in lions. He's telling a story about
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  Speaker 1: his uncle goes up climbs up in a tree to
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  Speaker 1: tranquilize a mountain lion with a tramp gun and takes
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  Speaker 1: a poke with the gun and misses. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you can say when it's a tranquilizer, but
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  Speaker 1: he shoots and misses the lion. So rather than you
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  Speaker 1: now he's gotta reload the tranquilizer gun. So he lowers
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  Speaker 1: the tranquilizer gun down on a rope to some kind
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  Speaker 1: of college kid who's helping out on this project. And
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  Speaker 1: the college kid, he made a big point to point
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  Speaker 1: out that it was a college kid. Uh, loads reloads
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  Speaker 1: of tranquilizer gun and ties it through the ties it
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  Speaker 1: through the trigger mm hmm. The trigger guard ties it
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  Speaker 1: to the trigger guard, so that once he starts hoisting
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  Speaker 1: the tranquilizer gun back up. Oh no, yeah, blouch hits
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  Speaker 1: him with the tranquilizer dart oh man, and he's out.
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  Speaker 1: His dad this under his dad packed his brother down
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  Speaker 1: off the on a on a mule tied to a
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  Speaker 1: mule will pack him down. He was out for sixteen hours. Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: And they had to keep him up and keep his
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  Speaker 1: tongue like keeping positions so his tongue wouldn't fall back
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  Speaker 1: in his head, which is exactly what they do with
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  Speaker 1: the lion, so they knew what to do. Could have
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  Speaker 1: very easily killed him. Tranked. Yeah, that'd be a good
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  Speaker 1: name for that movie. Um wow, this has happened recently. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Game warden from Oklahoma gets the chit chatting on a bumble.
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  Speaker 1: How many guys around. How do you guys used bumble
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  Speaker 1: or have used bumble? I have Bridge Pounders used bumble? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Okale you've used bumble. Kenny, you've got no business on there?
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  Speaker 1: Now is that a hunting He's got no business on there?
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  Speaker 1: And Rick, you use bumble the dating app So game
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  Speaker 1: Warden is chatting up a woman on a bumble like
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  Speaker 1: fixing the data, and she mentions having just that she's
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  Speaker 1: doing good because she just shot a huge buck and
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  Speaker 1: he gets to ask her some questions about it and
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  Speaker 1: get suspicious and and doesn't do it as a dating
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  Speaker 1: as a date, but goes over there to do a
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  Speaker 1: little investigation. Sure enough, she'd poached a buck buster while
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  Speaker 1: trying to Roman answer on bumble. That's amazing in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: What's the moral of that story? Don't poach I to
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  Speaker 1: be don't date Rick? Before the show, I was asking
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  Speaker 1: real quick, um, like you gotta decide right now? Man,
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  Speaker 1: do you want like a plug? I really hope you do.
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  Speaker 1: You do? No, No, But I just I appreciate that
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  Speaker 1: you are looking out for me our friend here, our
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  Speaker 1: friend Rick. You're a great a photographer drone pilot we
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  Speaker 1: just found out also great a photographer drone pilot. Now
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  Speaker 1: that you don't want to mention that these are these
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  Speaker 1: are not positives in the world world. No women, if
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  Speaker 1: you you're like, oh, he's like a nature documentary photographer,
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  Speaker 1: but that would be appealing to women. Here's the issue, though,
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  Speaker 1: if you're into essential oils, do not call Rick you
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  Speaker 1: like multivitamins. Yeah, because here's a weird deal about here's
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  Speaker 1: a weird deal if you're if one was going to
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  Speaker 1: date Rick is like you could picture that Rick might
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  Speaker 1: lure in. He might lure in people who had habits
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  Speaker 1: that Rick is against because he wants to fix them. Well, like,
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  Speaker 1: he's very suspicious of vitamins, he's very suspicious of essential oils.
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  Speaker 1: He's a skeptic. But you could also see that the
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  Speaker 1: the ladies be lured would be drawn to Rick, who
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  Speaker 1: might have a crystal in some essential oils. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: against that. I mean, I'm really not. So those people
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  Speaker 1: can contact you as well. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't judge. Man, you're not in the market.
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  Speaker 1: You're not in the market. You're not out of the market.
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  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not out of there. I'm in the market.
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  Speaker 1: He's here. He's lurking outside of the market. It's the
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  Speaker 1: good king outside. Yeah, No, lurking lurks not good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when you're trying to get a choice, you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get women to find a guy who don't use lurking.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's that's he's hovering. No, he's pathetically No.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I thought this was a hunting. We're getting lurking. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're gonna mention the little buck from your house.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good story. That's a good story.
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  Speaker 1: You keep that in mine. So I'm working down. I'm
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  Speaker 1: working down through my notes. Here a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: about bucks. Uh did you finish pitching? Rick? Oh? Rick? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's too bashful. How how do they find you? So
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  Speaker 1: we have a lot of female listeners. Um, they want
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  Speaker 1: to find you. You know, they're like dying, they're dying
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  Speaker 1: to date Instagram. I feel like that's the way people
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  Speaker 1: find each other. Rick Smith Media, Rick Smith media slipping? No,
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  Speaker 1: not slipping? How did they say it? Slide in on
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  Speaker 1: Rick's d MS? Oh yea honest, you're pretty much your millennial,
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  Speaker 1: are you. Yeah, he's right on the edge, right, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have no idea. Yeah, yeah, that's not millennial, that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty millennial. Got an email. They contained the saddest line
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  Speaker 1: of all sad lines. And I've been thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of days now. A woman wrote in
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  Speaker 1: a letter and her letter contained the line I'm a
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  Speaker 1: woman and I'm gay, and so it's hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to find to hunt with which I feel like going
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  Speaker 1: hunting weather Now sadestly I've ever heard um not an email.
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  Speaker 1: So she's saying like one compounds the other, which she's land.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm a woman, I'm a woman, and I'm gay.
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  Speaker 1: For me to find people to hunt with, that is
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  Speaker 1: a bummer. Guy wrote in we're talking about Santa Claus
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  Speaker 1: being a grade A hole because, uh, you know, moving
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  Speaker 1: around captive servants all over the place spreading disease. Guy
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  Speaker 1: wrote in about that that's not my idea, but he says, man,
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  Speaker 1: there should be a lot more scrutiny on Santa because
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna, like, imagine the disease vector that guy's got
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  Speaker 1: going on with his captive deer going to every house,
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  Speaker 1: every Christian household in the world, with his herd deer
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  Speaker 1: spread and lornels. What around. This guy says, if you
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  Speaker 1: really are in a hack on Santa, think about it
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  Speaker 1: like this. He says, My understand that deer can't see red.
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  Speaker 1: So the only way if all the other deer were
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  Speaker 1: so mean to Rudolph, the only way they would have
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  Speaker 1: known as if Santa told him that his nose was different.
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  Speaker 1: I think his nose as biggers like bullying. He sand,
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  Speaker 1: It's like you guys can't see it because you can't
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  Speaker 1: see red. You can't see that wavelength to check it out.
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  Speaker 1: I can see it, and that Randy is way different
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  Speaker 1: and y'all should be mean. It's very good points an
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  Speaker 1: interesting observation. Another thing on dear real quick Ryan a
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  Speaker 1: fear fear. He has something interesting to say. Um talking
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  Speaker 1: about Antler restrictions. So he says, prior to two thousand two,
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  Speaker 1: do you know this, Kenyan, I couldn't tell you that
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  Speaker 1: the numbers are at the top of the head, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm aware of the general and you're gonna tell me
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  Speaker 1: about do you mind explaining what an Antler restriction is.
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  Speaker 1: An Antler point restriction would be a regulation put in
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  Speaker 1: place by a state requiring a certain number of Antler
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  Speaker 1: points on a deer's antler for you to be able
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  Speaker 1: to legally shoot it. So in Pennsylvania, I think in
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  Speaker 1: most parts of the state they put an a p
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  Speaker 1: R for short. They put an APR in place of
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  Speaker 1: four points on a side for buck to be legal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, and that was the bantler restriction. He's gotta
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  Speaker 1: be a Michigan eight. Yeah. And I not from Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: So there might have been a part of the state
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  Speaker 1: there was a three point on one side part of
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  Speaker 1: the state with his four point on one side. That
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  Speaker 1: might be the case. Um, but I believe the Seth
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  Speaker 1: sickly Seth is uh too sick to even have a
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  Speaker 1: head point on. But most states through on one side.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the states four in the one side. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I've got an uncle who hunts in the four
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  Speaker 1: on a side part, which is why I know the story.
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  Speaker 1: But it was with a stated goal of trying to
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  Speaker 1: help the more one half year old bucks make it
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  Speaker 1: to an older age class. Yeah, he he wrote in
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  Speaker 1: because we're having this conversation where I was saying, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any data to support this, but I was saying, man,
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  Speaker 1: like all the damn bucks when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: we're a year and a half old. I mean virtually
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  Speaker 1: all of them. You mean all the bucks taken. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like everybody he shot box and they were all
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  Speaker 1: the same spikes, forks, little sixers, right, just little like
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  Speaker 1: not you know, they're year and a half old bucks.
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  Speaker 1: It was a real rarity. Like I remember when the
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  Speaker 1: old man shot a buck that was not It was
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  Speaker 1: like a giant, you know, in our mind. But he
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  Speaker 1: was saying, he doesn't he didn't have any statistics off
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  Speaker 1: the at his fingertips for um Michigan. But he's saying
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  Speaker 1: prior to two thousand two, when Pennsylvania introduced mandatory and
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  Speaker 1: the restrictions, they're n of the bucks harvested were one
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  Speaker 1: and a half years old. So, if you folks aren't
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  Speaker 1: quick at math, nine out of ten bucks rolling a
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  Speaker 1: year in a half old. Of that, eighty percent of
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  Speaker 1: those were killed on the opening day of guns season.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. I'm gonna let that sink in for
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  Speaker 1: a minute. Then he goes down to say this. He says,
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  Speaker 1: in a nutshell, the biggest part of our annual buck harvest,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we killed all of our blocks basically in
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  Speaker 1: two days of the season. Of those were one and
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  Speaker 1: a half years old. At the time, they were about
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  Speaker 1: one point to one point two million license hunters in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: That trend, he says, with the norm in those days
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, was the first time in
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  Speaker 1: our nation's hunting history. So we're outside of Pennsylvania now,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen was the first time in our
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  Speaker 1: nation's hunting history that we saw that trend change. As
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  Speaker 1: a nation of hunters, we harvested more three and a
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  Speaker 1: half year old olds than one and a half year
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  Speaker 1: old in two thousand fifteen. Does that surprise you, Mark
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  Speaker 1: Kenyan Wired to Hunt? It doesn't. I've been following that
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  Speaker 1: trend for for prior deca now, and it's been moving
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  Speaker 1: that direction more and more. And and I just got
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  Speaker 1: the data here from this this year, looking back at
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  Speaker 1: the most recent datas that would have been from the
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  Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen eighteen season would be the most recent data,
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  Speaker 1: and that shows that still we're at the lowest record
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  Speaker 1: lowest harvest levels four year and a half old's nationally still,
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  Speaker 1: So in Pennsylvania you mentioned nine ten bucks kill a
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  Speaker 1: year and a half old. Now nationally, only thirty of
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  Speaker 1: bucks harvested a year and a half old. Why, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so pretty interesting and thirty four percent we're three year older,
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  Speaker 1: three and a half older. Somebody tell me what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say, what's going on? Rick? People, you should shoot
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  Speaker 1: a lot of dinkers now they're shooting Biggins. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 1: but the why I understand the I didn't need a recap.
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  Speaker 1: I needed someone elsis I needed a recap. I'm really happy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about move on. Rick's got a good question,
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  Speaker 1: But Mark, tell them what happened. Well, yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of like a egg and chicken kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing here. But probably the biggest thing going on here's
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  Speaker 1: has been change in culture around white tailed deer hunting
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  Speaker 1: in that a lot of hunters started to to see
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  Speaker 1: and learn and hear about the benefits of letting young
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  Speaker 1: deer reach older eight older age classes. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that is to um to the credit of of
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  Speaker 1: Ryan's employer of the Quality Deer Management Association, who's done
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  Speaker 1: a pretty cool job of talking about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different things that we can do is deer hunters and
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  Speaker 1: managers to try to, you know, manage for more natural
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  Speaker 1: balanced deer herd of course, though to Steve's point that
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  Speaker 1: he makes sometimes, which is true hunters, we get a
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  Speaker 1: kick out of a big deer too. So a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people realize that, hey, if I can make decisions
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  Speaker 1: that help the deer herd and help me see and
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  Speaker 1: maybe kill some bigger bucks, that's like a fun, beneficial
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  Speaker 1: thing to do. So a lot more people saw those
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  Speaker 1: benefits and started passing you younger deer, and they started
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  Speaker 1: doing things to improve the habitat, did my health, deer
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  Speaker 1: get bigger, um, and a slew of other things over
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  Speaker 1: the years that the last ten fifteen years have have
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  Speaker 1: really changed the landscape when it comes to deer across America. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more older deer and a lot more
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  Speaker 1: deer that are bigger too. Dude, row it in. You're good,
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  Speaker 1: Ricky cool? Yeah, I mean is that satisfied? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: can ask some questions please. Well, I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't have any idea. But as the deer get older,
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  Speaker 1: does that change the like what is it? How is
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  Speaker 1: that affecting the the population area or herds? How does
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  Speaker 1: it benefit Can we put that off yeah to a
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  Speaker 1: future episode. Yeah, no, well we're gonna have We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: focus on that in a future episode. It's okay with you,
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  Speaker 1: be honest, I'll tell you when it comes out. Alright. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the only way I learned about hunting by listening
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  Speaker 1: to the podcast. So everyone good, I am. Guy says
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  Speaker 1: he's got a real beef with me. He says that, um,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he says, I got kyot cooking all wrong. He says open.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying that. Uh. He saw me cook Kyle where
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  Speaker 1: we roasted it with the skin on, and he said
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  Speaker 1: that's a sure way to ruin any game animal. That
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  Speaker 1: would make even squirrel taste awful. This is him talking,
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  Speaker 1: and then he goes on to say I very much
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: enjoy kyote meat and prefer to chunk it up and
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  Speaker 1: fry it dusted and flour It tastes like a mild
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  Speaker 1: combination of lamb and pork, and it's a great way
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to add variety to the dinner table. I would love
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to see you guys give it another try with the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: care the meat deserves. That's good, that's fine. But I have,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: contrary to this man's opinion, I have had wonderful squirrel
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: cooked where you burned the hair off of the squirrel
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and then roast the squirrel with its skin on. In Vietnam,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I had wonderful, uh kind of weird squirrel possum looking
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: marsupio critter that a guy had shot out of a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: tree with a air rifle, that he burned all the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: hair off and then roasted with its skin. If you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: read about the Planes tribes, they would cook domestic dog
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that way, by burning all the hair off and roasting
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: in the skin. I've had wild pork, wild pig by
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: burning all the hair off and roasting in the skin,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and that was delectable. As for Kyle being good, how
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: many guys have had high out, Yeah, and he've had
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: a little nibble nibble last one. We should go kill
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: some nooks. I want to try Mandrick's recipe too. Ye,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: we should give it a try. Oh yeah, I haven't
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: touched one since I ate my last one. A guy
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: wrote in he had hunted in Bolivia. He was down
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: hunting with some Uh indigenous people in Bolivion. He was
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: marveling how they two things. They went out to hunt
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: tape here, and they had a sixty engage shell and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: they cut it open and put some kind of on
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: their own little They cut it open and took the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: shot out and made their own little slugs somehow and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: put it in there and use it to kill a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: tape here. And he he said that they corded it
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: with the skin on, salted it like crazy. But it
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: reminded me of think about like this talk about shot
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: guns remind me thing. I was with some guys in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: South America that had a sixteen gage shotgun, but they're
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: only ammo was twelve gauge shotgun shells. So they were
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: going out night hunting and they would take their cut
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: open their twelve gage shell and cut open their sixteen back.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Let me back up. Yeah, they had a sixteen gage
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: shotgun and a bunch of spent shells, and they had
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a box of good twelve gage shells. So they laid
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: out some leaves like bowl shaped leaves, cut the twelve
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: gage shell open, don't the shot into a leaf, pulled
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the wad out, poured the powder out, knocked the primer
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: out of the twelve gage shell, put the primer into
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the sixteen gage shell, poured the powder in there, took
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: toilet paper and made a wadding and packed the wide down,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: poured the shot and got a candle out and wax
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: sealed the things shot and they'd get two or three
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and that was made up, and then it was time
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to go hunting. Wow. Yeah. And one night they go
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: out and they come back with a couple of birds
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and they had a a an aquatic road that they'd killed,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and they didn't have enough, and so they went through
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: this whole process and made one more shell and then
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: went back out in their boat and a while later
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: came back near dun hunting. Wow. Good stuff. That is
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: good stuff. Okay, we got it good, don't we? Where
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: where you beginning to Molly's Oh we're um. We're just
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: finishing up a hunt in Sonora, Mexico. Um, not far
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: from you know, ways off, not far from the US border.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: You can see land features across the line in the US.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of an auspicious time to be down
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: here hunting, because you know, we're engaged in a great
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: national debate about the um ramifications and costs and merits
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of constructing a border wall. So it's been funny to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: be down flirting with the border and seeing the border
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and and and and being down here hunting. It's been
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like more I've come down here a number of times
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: over the years to hunt, and it's been more sort
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of I don't know, the geopolitics around my mind now
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: more than normal being down in Mexico um Cou's deer.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But I felt just the same as years passed, the hunting,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the land well and the the whole travel in the process. No,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: no problem, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting that I'm not. Yeah,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to suggest that it was problematic in anyway.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You weren't. I was just adding that, yeah, now that
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it was problematic anyway, It was just like an interesting time,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: right absolutely to come down and hunt and Couzier. It's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Umku's deer also pronounced Cow's deer. A kind of a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: weird dude with a real weird personal history. Elliott Cous'
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: is a guy whose name was applied to these deer
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and you're hearing called desert white tails, a little dinky,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: nine hundred pound white tails that live in the mountainous
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: desert and the Sky Island mountain chains. Some in New Mexico,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a great many in Arizona. And then this is kind
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: of like the good old days down here in Mexico.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: There's gotta be more couzier down here than in all
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of Arizona when don't you guess? Yeah, in all Sonora,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: lots of cous dear, lots of cuse dear. So came
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: down and we were the way. I've never hunted down
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: here anyway, but this way, but we've never come down
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: not with working with Talk about Jay how I used
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to work for him, my buddy Ja. Yeah, I used
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to work for him as a fishing guide. He was
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a client of mine. That's how we met. I didn't
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: realize that you guys met that way floating down the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: old Eagle Eagle River mm hmm. So you guided him
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: fishing and then you started guiding for him. Yeah, that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: right in Arizona, a little bit down here and those
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: big famous elk units in Arizona. That's right. Good times,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And you'd like to add about that, you're being awful.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Kurt had a lot of fun hanging out. I always
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: when I see dark down here, I always think back
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on those times and uh miss him because Darna used
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: two got together and I have a lot of good laughs.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I don't know what to add about it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: It was good, um, but yeah, so Jay, I didn't
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: have no idea how time flies. But Jay said, this
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: is his twenty first year of doing this down here. Really, yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Jay Scott has glassed up the last time I asked
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: him this question, how many mountain lions he's ever glassed up?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The last time I talked to him, he was at
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: thirty two. It's like he spent so much time glassing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You know, look a through his binos or spot and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: scopes his number. Now he's glassed up forty three. So
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: if you think you spent a lot of time out hunting,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: add up how many mountain lions you've seen through your
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: binos and then consider that this man has glassed up
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: forty three mountain lions while looking for other jumps. Yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: if you're a Western hunters spent a lot of time
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: on the glass. This really wouldn't work for a do
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that sits and tree stands. For a white tail, No,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you can wait a long time for mountainline to walk by.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But what Jay does? So Jay guides down. Jay guides
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: in Mexico. He guides elsewhere too, But he guides in Mexico,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and he guides for Gould's turkeys um and guides for
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Cou's deer. But also does give him give him the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: give him the spiel, Ynny, you'll do a better job
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of it. It's a he basically does like a d
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I Y program for guys that want to come down
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to Mexico and hunt Cou's deer, and so he the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: hunt itself is completely d I Y. But he arranges
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the ranch and then it helps with your paperwork for
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: crossing your firearms across the border, and then kind of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: gives you, um, just lays out the whole process of
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: what it's going to take a cross the border going
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: both directions. But he'll basically secure a ranch and secure
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: deer tags for that ranch, and then um, you buy
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: those through j you know, but the ranch provides them.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And then he basically uh helps you get your firearm
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: permit for Mexico and then gives you like a real
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: clean rundown of like this is what you need if
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna bring a vehicle across the border. You need
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the insurance and a letter that says that you're the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: owner has had to then number this stat and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: other and then gives you real clear directions and he
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: also offers I think, um like what we call fixers
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: or like and translators like they can be at the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: border to meet you, to help you through that process
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to get you to your ranch. And once you have
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to ranch, you on your own and it's like you're
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it's like you have you it's like having a chunk
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of national it's not national force because very much privately
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: owned land. But it's like it's like when you CROs
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: us the border and come down in here, not that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: far man, it's like you've gone back like a hundred
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: years back in time, huge ranches. People still work cattle
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: on horseback. It's great, mon. I mean, I had a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: very different idea of how this trip was going to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: be when um I got the offer to jump on
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and yeah, this whole situation is really fantastic. And the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: folks um that we've had helping us out here at
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: at the Rancho um are great. And it's just kind
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: of like it's nice watching uh and being around folks
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: who are living simply and um, you know, I kind
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of feel like a bum because they were working, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, while we're tramping the hills. But it's it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: is nice. It it's kind of kind of relaxing. Oh yeah, man,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: caught loose on like caught loose, winding around like a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: giant chunk of property. Yeah, got a bunch of deer
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: hiding out in the mountains in it. Yeah, and it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it's just been It's great too, because it's not like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you're not like walking down to some or not even
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: walking in some cases. You're not just like stepping out
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the door and looking at some center pivot that's fully
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: irrigated and chuck chuck chucking away and there's deer living
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in there night and day. And um, you know I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind having a spot or two like that. Well,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: then you wouldn't see any of the ranch, you know.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, this has been awesome because, um, you definitely
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: got to do some exploring and and checking out new stuff,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and it's been great. It's been great. It's funny back
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: home hunting white tails. When you talk about a property
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you can hunt. You know, if I said I got
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a big property to hunt, I'd be like a hundred
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: fifty acres two acres. I would be really excited about that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: When you're talking about this kind of scale we have
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: out here, like you said, it does feel like national forest.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's vast, it seems unending almost tens of thousands of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: acres completely undeveloped, like all day never cross the border. Yeah, completely,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like just like not developed. It's just a different it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: just different. The way you hunt Cousier. As you get
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: up this is the This isn't the way it has
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to happen. But typically you get up on the kind
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of the biggest highest peaks around it you can find,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and um, and you have to just watch the surrounding
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: hillside is very very very carefully extremely hard to pick up.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: The brush is tall and the animal is small. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it like, for me, one thing uh that really struck
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: me and something that I had to kind of like
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: recalibrate my brain over and over again too, is um
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: was it when when any animal stands out in the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: wide open, you're kind of like, oh, yeah, there he is,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and they seem like bigger than life. But when they're
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: in that brush, these things are so small that UM.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Free handing my binoculars at often many times throughout this hunt,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: free handing my binoculars would be frustrating to the point
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: where I thought it was pointless, Like I had to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: have them on on the tripod because so many times
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I like looked at a deer and the only reason
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that I caught it was because of the motion of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the deer. And that could be like the chin moving
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: as it's chewing its cut, like little white flashes from
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: its chin moving, or just an ear flicker, or you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: maybe in a generous way, it'd be like a big
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: white tail given a flap um. And so if your
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: binoculars were moving at all, you know, at yards um,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you're gonna miss that little bit of motion. It was
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: just amazing at like, I had a hard time giving
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: them the credit that they would due as far as
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: their ability to disappear. Yeah, go ahead, well, I was
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: gonna say. And then to compound on that, if you
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: were to somehow you know, well, if even if you
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: had him on tripod, if you bumped them or in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: any way left that singular focus on that little bit
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of movement, you almost never find it again. So if
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you're handheld, you're stuck. Yeah, that's a good point, because
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you look at it like a sea of brushy slopes.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And oftentimes you'll be sitting there with you with your
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: bodies at your hunting with and you'll be like, oh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: got one, and they'll be like where like I can't,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I don't, I can't tell you, I don't know, I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: don't want. I can't take my eyes off it to
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: get the context, and you can't. You know that the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: minute you move your eye to figure out where it is,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that your binoculars are centered on it in order to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: explain it that something's gonna happen, You're gonna lose track
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of the deer. It's like the world's best game of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Where's waldo? Oh. It's fun, but it's like it's they
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: just vanish. Then you see him and oftentimes you like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: catch them and you never catch him again. He went
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: into that never mind and you never see him again,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and we're hunt him during the rut. So you and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you don't even watched two Dear Make Love. That's the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: second time I've seen that happened this year. I was
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: commenting on the strong oral component. Yes, said love making
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of beforehand. After Yeah, you k that needs
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to be further defined. I don't want it to find
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: we got down family. It's a family program. Uh, there's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: two like there's two things. And you know I've heard
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: uh guys like big white tail guys talking to you. Mark,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: You're the kind of the main one I know, um
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: talking about bucks being locked down. Yeah, lockdown being that
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that there's a period like in the breeding cycle when
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you can't find any big box because the big box
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: are just standing there. Body, don't you're not doing anything.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: They're just hanging out with the dough and man like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: we saw two kinds of buck activity box that were
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: just moving so fast and so much that it was
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like you couldn't go get him if you wanted them,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: because they just come in and out of your life.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You know, well, there is you kind of where you
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: watch him, you losing me, watching me lose me, watch
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: me losing in precent his way the hell down the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: hill and he's gone and he's just gone. Or you
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: catch a glimpstom and he goes into some giant sea
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of brush and never comes back out and he's gone
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: out of your life. But then the ones we got, no,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that's kind of that's not really true. Yeah, So the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: best opportunities were bocks that were that were so intensely
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: focused on a single dough that they would allow We
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: watch one today that would go twenty minutes not moving
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: his feet and not taking a bite to eat. But
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: just stand there for twenty minutes and watch a dough
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: feed ten twenty yards away from him, and like all
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that's on his mind is standing there. They like to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: be a little higher standing, and SE's like they like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to be a little teeny bit higher than the dough
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and just stand there and stare at her. He was
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a very it was very familiar white tailed behavior in
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that regard. That seemed like something that makes sense. You
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: saw some number of bucks cruising, which was that first
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: behavior you talked about, just moving around trying to find
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that dough. And then when a buck did have a doll,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: sometimes several bucks all trying to be close that doll.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But typically there's that one that is with a doll
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that's ready to breed. You have that lockdown phenomena. And yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I mean we all I think saw situations like that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Their patients is kind of amazing or whatever. It is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: their focus, especially when you get a look at the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: parasite load on these things. Yeah, they have dozens of
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: per I think if you looked at a patch of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: their hide three inches by three inch, twenty or so ticks,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you look around the bald spot just around their anus,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the hairless patch around there, crawling with ticks. They have
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: nasal bots living in the back of their throat that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: could be the size of like the end of your pinky.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Their fore legs are perforated with cactus thorns and all that,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and they can stand there staring at a lady. I
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: think we've all been there. I don't. Oh man, that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Yeah, focused on the press markets crabs,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: but you know that bucks thinking the exact same thing
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: we're thinking when we're looking through the spatting scope for
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the binoculars though, right, He's like, man, if I take
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: my eyes off of her, I may never see her. Yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: he knows he's gonna lose her. Yeah, it's kind of
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It's kind of become one of my favorite types of hunting.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Those the hunt COO's dear man. I loved every minute,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: like and never I never had a moment where I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: was like, God, I hope I filled this tag. It
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: was always like, well, this goes on another day. I'm
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: all right with that. Yeah, what what I think happened
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: with the with the buck you got? The first time
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen it happen with a couisier I think,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: is uh kind of stumbling into a buck, yes, very much,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: went up to a glass and knob and then found
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah. And you know what's extremely unique about
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that for me is ah, I can count on one
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: hand the amount of times I've filled my tag before
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: everybody else in camp has filled their tag, like I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: always mostly by choice, and the last person to fill
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: my tag. It's kind of where I feel more comfortable,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I think, mostly from growing up doing the guiding thing.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But Steve had purposely walked away without his gun, without
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: more binoculars, and and we saw it. But I wasn't.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't considering myself to be up anyway. Well that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, I mean to me, I was thinking in
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: my mind, I was you were up. It helped my
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: decision making so so much because you had your your
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: toilet tree hit in your hand. I was going over
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: to find a rock that I was going to flip
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: over and then do some something, then flip that rock
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: back over on top of it and come back and
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: check on y'all. And I was just it was like
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the perfect the perfect green light for me because I
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: was like, all right, well this isn't even an argument
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at this point because my inclination would have been like, Steve,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: get your gun. No, I would have said no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I ain't just attest to what an amazing the stealthy
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: crew you get to run around with seven en of
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: us just waltz right up to two yards and they
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: were able to film at all. It's hard to using
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the hand signals all day and being non verbal and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: sneaky like that. You spotted him too, didn't you. It's like,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: as soon I remember, as soon as we got up there,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you were like, oh, the eagle. Why do I think
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: we call him the eagle? Dude? You cannot mess with
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the eagle. Why do you think he gets the work
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: here because he's the eagle. It's not because his sass,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it's not. We don't keep him for his sass? What
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: about his What about his shoulders? Yes, the big beefy
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: shoulders helps a lot. His lack of verbosity, um right now,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is not helping him. But the eagle. How many words
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: one uses? But um, the eagle is the eagle? Man
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like a very if you said he gave me a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: very verbose explanation, be like a little lots there, yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lots there, lots there loquacious one that when he does strike,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: he strikes. Now with Mark's buck, Marks buck, we spotted
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: up some bucks. So that was a non trad CU's dear.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: That was a non Tradu's deer. That was the first
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: time I've seen that happen. It was the first time
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in the my buck last year that way. No, yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: last year last year with John and I John snow
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and I forgot about last year. M hm, yeah, but
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there, you weren't. So the ones I've been
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: in on, I've never seen a play out where um,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: it's always played out where you see it far off
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and then have to do some things to get over
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and getting to get a crack at it. The ones
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I've been in on, which is a good handful. Um,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: it was the first of my scene where we where
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: we actually kind of came on, came upon one Marx
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: was more classic cousier situation. YEA spied him from about
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a thousand yards and then you have the work downhill
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and get you know, yards closer. Yeah, first time I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: ever done anything like that, because I think it's telling Yanni.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I've never muled deer, hunted, never cous deer hunted. I've
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: only ever both hunted five percent of the time for
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: white tails, occasionally us a shotgun muzzle loader to shoot
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the hundred yard shots max. So this is way outside
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of my ballpark of of experience, and it was all
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the all the hunting this guy's done. That was the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: longest shot he's ever taken. Oh yeah, and the longest
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: shot before that was my shot last year on the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: care Boo. So you guys have stretched and prior to
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that it was probably nine yards, so you guysn't really
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: stretched me. Um when it comes to firearms. Was just good.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we spotted that bucket a thousand yards or
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: so and decided that we thought he was a shooter.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And uh, Yanni and myself and and Seth went tearing
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: down the hill and went down the steep canyon at
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: about three yards, came up to this little rise at
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the bottomless valley. There's a small kind of knoll, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: we got to the top of that rise shooting up,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: shooting up, and uh, can I interject real quick? I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: want to point out an important part of who's your hunt.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: When you're watching a cou's doing, you're thinking like you're
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: gonna go after it. That's great, you found a buck,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go after it. But the tricky question is
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: what we're exactly you're gonna go because it doesn't really work. Generally,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work to get on his slope. You gotta
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: find a little perch or something where you can shoot
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: over into his area, like some kind of train feature
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: where you might plausibly like get there and look into
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: his brushy little zone. You can't get on his his
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: not that you can't, but typically would not work to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: get on his slope in this bout set up perfectly
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: in that way because you had a little perch, had
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a shooting shooting shooting up. Yeah, And the other thing
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that's important to point out. I think that it was
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: a thing I learned from this trip was the importance
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: of before taking making that stock, you really need some
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: reference points locked in as far as where you saw
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that dear last, because you're gonna lose it. You change perspective,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: really flips them's around. So so we remember seeing that
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: there's a really thick patch of junipers, especially thick on
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: this hillside, and so we remember I remember seeing the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: buck in the dough in that on the the right
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: side of that thick patch last. But then it was
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: actually Seth who had made the very most important reference
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: point was the fact that we had last seen the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: buck and Do next to a tree with a very
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: unique white circle on it. So when we ended up
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: getting back to that shooting knob, we found the thick
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: patch of junipers, and then we could narrow down our
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: point of focus even further by looking for that tree
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: with the white circle on us. So we really could
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: zero it on where they were last, and they were
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: very locked down, like we were talking about earlier, they
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: hadn't moved very much at all, and we had come
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: up with a little We had come up with a
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: very rudimentary signaling system using Yanni's Blaze Orange How to
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Go to Do Your Bandana UM available at the mediator
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: dot com currently out of stock, I believe, but coming
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: back in stock soon. UM a little signaling system where
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: if need be, like we agreed that if I didn't
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: do anything, that meant nothing had changed into if I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: can interject, I kind of wished that there was another
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: say know that we had had, which meant we're not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: trying here. We were getting that from you many times
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: when we looked at you, but we were not sure
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: if you were just doing that because you didn't see
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: us I got bored, or if you were doing it
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: because the deer was still doing what was supposed to do.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I got you. So we need some kind of confirmation
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that you actually saw us and realized that we were
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: asking for the update. There's no update. Yeah, buck hadn't moved,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but we need to confirmation. So I'm perched up watching
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the buck from afar and you're coming in. And our
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: agreement was if I don't do anything, there's nothing you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: need to know for me. If if not, I was
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: going to take a orange bandin and tied to a
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: pole and uh point from my perspective what direction the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: deer went on the face of the slope, but never
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: needed to do it. So, you know, I look back
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: at your handful of times and you were doing anything.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So the assumption was the deer was still in there,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: just a dead stair on my face, Yeah, that's what
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it was. And came up to the top of that
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: first knob, creeped up. Really we crawled to the top
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of that knob, but it was about three yards I
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: think at that point, and just could not see anything.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Just we we We stayed there a good decent bit
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty minutes at least, maybe even more
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: glass and glass and glassing, but no movement. Um. So
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: finally we could see that there was still more of
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: that ridge that was hidden by the furthest edge of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: our glassing knob. There's a slight rise and we just
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: couldn't see beneath that, and so we assumed, then, if
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: this box is still in there, it's got to be
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: beneath the rise. So we had to make a final
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like seventy yard creep, and finally decided to do that.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: We crept in, got right to the kind of highest
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: point of that little rise, got down on hands and knees,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and and that's when I spotted the dough. It stops glass,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: see the dough. Um kind of made a game plan
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: for what we're gonna do next. Knew that there must
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: be the buck somewhere nearby. And Um, then I spotted
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the buck not too far away in the brush like
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: just you know, thick junipers and whatever other junks down there, ok,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: oak um, And I remember, in the first fleeting glance
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: of him, I remember thinking it doesn't quite look like
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the buck we saw originally, and they turned to you.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if it's the same buck.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: It looks like at shorter times. But then he moved
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: off and crawled further and kind of got in position
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to where I could get a shot in that general
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: are So we got positioned looking for them again, looking
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: for them again, and then I'm like, hey, I got
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the buck again. I could see this buck standing underneath
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: that exact tree we had referenced earlier, the strange white
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: circle tree. He was right there underneath that tree again
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: in the shade in the tangle. And I just remember saying, hey,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: there's a buck and arrange him two thirty yards so
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: within range, and uh, I'm looking at him and he's
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: dark handlered, and he's seemed wide ish. I just could
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: not see time length, and I'm thinking to myself, God,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I think this buck had longer times we saw earlier.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know this bucks in range. Um. I can't
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: remember if we looked back. I think Seth was trying
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to get a camera on it, and we asked him, like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: can you see him? Is he look Is it that buck?
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And he's he's like, I just shoot it. If it
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: was me, and everything was kind of lined up. You know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: it worked out well for the crew with the audience
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: seth were there and it was my first cuse deer
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: buck and pretty sweet. So I got settled on him,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and like you know, like you mentioned earlier, that was
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: my longest shot ever on a on an animal. So
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I took my time getting really settled in nicely and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: had a bipod on the rifles set in my backpack
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and put a patternneath my right elbow and just slowed
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: it down as best as I could. Um took the
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: shot well as funny as I was watching the other
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: buck through a spot and scope on a pretty narrow well,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: we haven't yet pointed out the fact that this was
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: not the original It doesn't matter, which is funny that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, okay, so go on. Well yeah, so
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the point being that the buck I end up shooting
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: was not the original one was not what was not
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the one I was watching to see what it would do.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: But I'm staring at it through a spotting scope, the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: one that we had always been looking at, and I
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: hear a shot and all of a sudden, the bark
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: runs into my field of view and through my spotting
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: scope and within a second falls over dead right in
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: front of the buck I've been watching for all that time,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and that buck seemed to not care about that at all.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: But then she got like, yo, he had kind of
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: had an attitude like that bettered him to me. And
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: then he went up and over top of the ridge
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and out of our lives. I don't know how we
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: never saw that other buck, because you said it was
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: so close, right, I can't see anything, man, confusing. We
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: talked about when he grunted right beneath us there yet
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff happened, but we couldn't see him.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: But just because he was like the same reason we
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: couldn't see the other deer before we moved. I think
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it was just below, yeah, the plane that we could see. Yeah.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I feel bad too, man, because I was so badly
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: wanted to help out and like look and stuff, but
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I was running a camera and I'm always so torn,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and I always rather just throw that camera in the ditch,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: just glass and be like there he is, don't you
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: shoot whatever, But man, I gotta sit there and try
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: to get my coverage. It's tough, man. You did good work. Well.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I guess that's Mark's
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: hunt might and be included in the episode. We'll see.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: It was the first the first hunt you filmed. No, no,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: how long has it been since you a little bit?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: This fault hunt? Yeah with Mark? Actually was that with you?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: That was you? And I oh yeah yeah, and then uh,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I do a little bit here and there, and I
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: think he did another one. You pick up a camera
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: pretty often, but I feel you on the like not
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: being able to look and see what's going on. I mean,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and I want, I often want to see what's happening,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm I'm just stuck in the lens of my camera,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: like I'm not I don't see where the animal is.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I don't get to pull out my binoculars. So it's
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: all like almost imaginary. Everybody's really excited about something I'm
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: not looking at. I'm like looking in the opposite direction, dude.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: But this trip, I was like, normally I'm like super
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: super excited to shoot, and I was you had to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: film Yeah, good clarification, m But like normally we'll film
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: as every like hunter is getting into getting settled and
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: pulling out their binoculars, and I just wanted that part
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to get done so then I could sit down, put
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: out my binoculars and start looking around. You spot it
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: up a couple of deer, Yeah, I'll get a lot better. Yeah,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: but a lot yeah more on this trip and Sid
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: he still had mama's milk on your lip when we
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: picked you up, dude, the first thing talking about that today,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: nice old game spotter. Uh yeah. The buck I got
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: was kind of like real standard sort of who's deer situation?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: There was. I think there's a good example in there though,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: because I was thinking about it because um the terrain, Um,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: your buck was locked lockdown when we took off. But
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: we did a lot of walking and sneaking and trying
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to get around for for quite a while. Yeah. You
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: go way the hell out of your way to try
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: to eventually wind up in a spot where you're in
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: his zone without him knowing you got into his zone. Yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and and really didn't shave off, you know. I think
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I arranged him before when we made the decision to go,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: and it was like five hundred and eighty four yards
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and then twenty minutes of hiking around and sneaking, we
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: were at five hundred and forty four yards. Like we
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: just we did a lot of moving around to try
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to get to a spot where we could close distance.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: And then um and we weren't. We weren't effectively narrowing
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: down that yardage. And then once we got in there,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: um it. You know, it was a great stock, great
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: hunt because there's always that apprehension of like, oh man,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: this this cannot work out, this cannot work out because
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: of the angle. Once we in order to it was
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that yard is down to a comfortable shooting situation. Um
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it made the angle to the buck very difficult, made
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it a very difficult killing situation, even though it was
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: within effective range. And this is kind of for a
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: lack of a glass of a shooting knob, right, I
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: bet you found a shooting nob. Though we had to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: poke and pride to find a knob. They would let
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you look up into his little spot there. There's a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: lot going on with there too. At one point you
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: guys had KU's deer, have len and a coyote. Yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: me and Seth were we stuck back and glassed from
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the original distance. And yeah, that that buck the unit
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: up shooting was locked down with the doll. Four other
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: bucks were kind of circling trying to move in on
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that doll, and it was pretty cool as that year
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: buck would run one of those bucks off, run off
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: thirty forty yards and then storm right back to the doll,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: make sure she was still there, and then he'd run
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: off with the buck run right back. Um, and then
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: you have have linings came passing right through, maybe twenty
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: yards beneath at one point, right around the same time
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the coyote trolled through in that buck stated right next
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to the dough. They you can see all the deer,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: just their eyes following that coyote the whole path he took,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and then he left and then it was right back
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to the doll. It's kind of a fun little wildlife
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: watching situation I had there while you were talking in
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's amazing that at least I won't see that footage
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: until who knows long time from now. Yeah, and then
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, that's right, that was cool a
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: couple of months now. I always like it's fun to
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: have that stuff. Um, people be like, hey, did you
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: take in your any photos from your trip? Like I
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: took a TV show on my trip, must be nice.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: That was a very fun hunt, though, that was a
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: good one. Who wants to be in charge of talk
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: about how you make tomorle hold on? Aren't you guys
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: say about tell everybody how you got to shoot my
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: buck for me too? You go ahead and tell that story.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: You just not like say anything you call go ahead.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say things. It's tired. Everybody's I'm looking
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: looking a lot of it's just a lot of other
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: folks talking um. But no. After Steve shot his buck,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Steve and Chris walked up the hill to go retrieve it,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: find it, recover it, and uh, callen ire waiting down there,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: and I forget did you just look up and go, oh,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: there's another buck standing out there? It was it was
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: just locked in place, but did you see it? There
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: was chasing the dough, two bucks chasing that dough. And
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: then yeah, and then I another buck like bombed in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and they eventually chased the dough and right through where
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: your buck expired. Steve's buck expired, and I was kind
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, hopefully one of these dear
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: isn't Steve's buck that just magically got up and ran away.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, then that buck was down there in the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: peripheral view. He just showed up. I don't know. A
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: woman in the market spotted him earlier in the same buck. Anyways,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: he standing in there looking down at us and in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: our from what from our point of view, it looks
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: like he's thirty yards to the left of Chris and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Steve and you guys are up there making television. So
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Steve's not talking in a quiet voice. He's doing his thing,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: recovering the animal. And uh, finally you guys get done
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and Steve yelling is yelling down
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: on us like, hey, come on up here. You weren't
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: what were you yelling on the side of we did
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: we got a whoop or something like that? Yeah, you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: got our attention. Okay, well a voice from up did
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I have occasion to go? Who not? Typically not time.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I do remember cal you up. You guys might have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: heard us talking, because when you're like, when we were
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: up there, you could we were projecting pretty loud going
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Probably not whoop. I don't remember a whoop, but he
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that might have been me. Actually, hey, it might have
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: been me. All of a sudden, you guys, are you
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: guys recovered? Recovered? You made a little tide a little
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: scene and then and then, and then I remember hearing
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: cal being like, hey, can you guys take a couple
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: of steps to your left or whatever, to the north
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever? You said, go north? I went south. Yeah,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: go north. We went the robe specified a hundred yards
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and started yelling because you guys didn't have a radio,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: We just started yelling, we have a bucket two some yards.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: You guys are t hundred yards and yards from the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: buck and we're going, hey, can you move a couple
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: hundred yards to our right? And you yell back why,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: We're like, well, there's a deer up there. Ya. He's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot him if you guys can walk like way
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: to hell off of that slope. So that's so we did.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: You guys didn't, and the bucks stood there through the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Conversation is like, well, boy, it's nice buck,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: it's right there. This would be you know, we only
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: have so much time to uh, you know, fill the tag.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if I just yell at those
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: guys and he stays there, kind of kind of gotta
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: take him, right, Yeah, we figured be worth a try, right.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: We figured since we started yelling, you know, the buck
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: would just scatter leave the hill. But it's hard to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: imagine what was what was going on with him. Yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I think that dough was just he knew he was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the second biggest buck on the slope. It was batter
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: up time for him because the first biggest buck was
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: out of the equation and those two smaller bucks were
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: now chasing that dough. But you and Pounder, we're in
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: between him and that dough. And he was like, really,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: he found himself in a very contemplative situation. He did
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: not move a muscle. No, no, it isn't really interesting though,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this before. Obviously, since I've never been
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: in a situation like this. We were watching someone shooting
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: an animal from a DC and bit away, but we
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I was glassing this whole thing, watching it through my
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: binose and both with your bucks, Steve and Janice. I
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: saw the deer react to the bullet before I heard
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the gunshot go off. That was pretty interesting. Yeah, that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: was cool. I was like, oh, what's he doing and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: then boom, yes that yeah, yeah, they're just still over. Well,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: neither of them fell over. Yeah, my shot wasn't quite
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: on the mark, missed him just the hair right. I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell you. I shouldn't tell what went on in there, man,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: because one shoulder was completely just annihilated to the point
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: where I didn't even bother trying to trim me. Well,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: we took the shank, that's how much was good at
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: It was still, you know, edible, and there was a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: hole going into the body cavity on the inside of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: that shoulder. But anyways, the thing wasn't quite ready to die.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: So Steve walked over to it and UH had to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: sort of run it down, chasing downhill. Yeah, finally got
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: one in its neck, killed it. Dream one's ready to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: talk about Tomores. I like that Gray Fox. Oh that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: was cool. Fox Like, I like asking the boys up
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: down here about running the jaguars, which happens. Yes, yes,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: it does happen. Jay said, we would have probably seen
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the mountain lion that didn't end up happening. I didn't
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: see mountainlin I didn't even cut a track. Yeah, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: saw one maybe kind of mushed track of a line.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: The impression these guys run these cats like if they
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: hear of a cat, one of these uh Vakiras sees
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: one sees a track or something that whoever they know
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: what dogs is gonna run that thing. They got a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: stuffed one here, kind of I don't know if you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: call that even a stuff one, but very like Bay,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: it's an attempt at tax during we have a lion
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: outside there. Um Yeah, to Molly's. So we made so
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: today we made venison to Molly's yesterday and today with
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: guidance from Carolina. Yes, uh, we took four shoulders for
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: chunking neck. And keep in mind accou'sti your buck only ways.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, hun pounds and these things are lean,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: unreal lean gen right now, man, they look like greyhounds
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: because they've been rutting for a while. I think they
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: must have. I think we're kind of towards the tail
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: end of the They got no fat on him. Imagine
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: taking a rolling pan and smashing out a chunk of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Wrigley spearmint and gum and laying it out, smoothing it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: out flat. That piece of gum that is now flat
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: after it's been chewed a little bit around. No, I'm saying,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: right out of the rapper and just smashed that thing out.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: That's how much fat my buck hat on it. I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: was amazed, you know, the fat. They get around like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: inside their pelvis like a kidney fat and stuff. A
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: couple of little mini globs of fat there, you know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: in the lower like in the lower digestive like outside
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: of the lower digestive digestive track, you'll find like some fat.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: He had some fat there, some fat around his kidneys.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Nobody fat the one I got, the one we skinned out.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Were you skinned with me? Yea in between the anus
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and like the end of the tender one right there.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Get some fat there, but nothing on the top of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: his not lick. And when they're landed, they look like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: it's like it's looks like a greyhound land there. Yeah,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: just amazed. Just man. They work hard. They don't eat.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: The bucks don't eat when they're rutting. I was worried
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the beat was gonna taste that good. I was. I was.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I thought for sure it'd be tougher in hell, like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: a poor condition or something. But oh, go ahead, Well,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I was gonna add. I believe I'm right on this number.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: That white tail deer up in my neck of the woods.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: The number that I heard is that a bucked her
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: in the rut up there can lose up to thirty
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: of their body weight, no ship who somewhere in there
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: give a take. That's amazing. That's like me hunting doll sheet.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: How much you lost? Uh? So we took four full
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: front quarters, so four front legs, boned out neck meat.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: What else were throwing there? We'll cook some tongue the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: night before, real crispy little tongue, little crispers. What would
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: you call those? I think just cilantro, white onion and
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch of lime in there, like tongue cracklings. That's
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: a different meal. But we took uh, four deer quarters
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: neck meat, and then Carolina boiled it in a pot
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: for six hours until the bones come out of the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: pot just clean. Yeah. She put a couple of heads
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: of gar like putter, and we picked all that meat.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Didn't take long at all, picked all that meat, picked out,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: there's no fat to pick out, barely to speak of,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: picked out the sinew. It wound up with two big
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: imagine like a big gass salad bowl. Household big gass
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: salad bowl. Two of those full of pick meat. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: then we had all that picked and then we took
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: the boil the corn. It's like boiled corn. Yeah, so
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: it's bloated. It's yeah, yeah, it's it's soaked up a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: bunch of water. That's what they call homony, right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: except for this isn't harmony is a part of the kernel.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: The harmony is a part of a kernel, that's right.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: And but so this isn't like a ruptured This hasn't
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: been soaking in water long enough to where the kernel
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: is split. It's it's just the whole. Just to imagine,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: like a bloated corn kernel ran up through a grinder
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: looks like a meat grinder. Like at a passing glance,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: you think you look at a meat grinder, But it's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: these two plates that that mashed together, and the auger
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: runs the corn out and you just mash and it
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: winds up being like a wet corn meal. Yes, then
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: you take all that meat juice that you use for
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: boiling down the meat and wetton what that even more,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: put in a tunnel lard, healthy dose, put in salt,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: put in way more chili potter than you'd ever think
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: you'd put in there, and blend that batter all up.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Got a part. Then you take your button eat and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: so you got your pick meat. You take a pot
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: and you melt all your lard in the pot and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: put garlic and onion in that pot and cook it
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: and then discard the onion, which I thought was interesting.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Then put all the meat in, put in buck meat, water,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: chili powder, lard, and make chili colorado again, a lot
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of chili powder. So you gotta pot that's got chili colorado.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And then you gotta pop that's got your mashed up
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: corn meal. Then you take corn husks, soaked those in
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: warm water so they repliable, and you lay out the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: corn husk, and you take a spoon and put a
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: big healthy doll up of the batter the corn meal
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: bat around there and spread it all around. Then you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: take the chili colorado and lay it in there like
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you're laying a hot dog on a bun, and you
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: roll it up folded, real special, and then you stack
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: them into a pot and steam them. Man, those suns
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: bitches good. Yeah, that was good. How many do we make? Good?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: A lot? About seventy seventy two Molly's and had left
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: over meat? Or do we use all of our meat?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: That's right deep fried up? Jimmy Chong? Did that use
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: up all the meat? No? No, really, there's a lot
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: still more. Yeah, Caroline has probably taking five to ten
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: pounds on them of the chili colorado, just the meat,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: the piston, just the shred of meat. You know. That's
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: what's always tough on the tomaw as your ratio of
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: the um my ease is it my man to Folks
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: call it corn or massa uh to to the meat,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: you know, um, because you always feel like you're stung
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: if you get nothing but the but the asa. Um.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: So they don't. They don't use up as much carna
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: as you think. Um. But holy yeah. And I went
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: round to this evening with several of us. Get yeah,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: when you cross the border back in the US, you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: can you take your meat home. You can take your
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: meat home on the bone. You can take it home
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: off the bone. What you can't, but you gotta clean that.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: If you want to bring a skull back, you gotta
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: bring the skull back clean. You can't bring a skull
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: across it's not clean, So you gotta boil it and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: clean it. The meat can go across on the bone.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: We're gonna bring our Tamali's across, no problem. The tricky
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: part is bringing You can't bring a hide, not that
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you can't remember all talking about all those ticks. If
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: you want to travel back in the US and bring
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: a cape, like you want to get the deer mounted,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: you need to get it that every single tick on
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: that cape is gone, and the customs people will check
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: that thing they find a tick, you're back across the border.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: That seems impossible, but I think most of Jay's clients
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: a cross with their capes. Just get there and pick
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: all them ticks. Yeah haven't haven't picked Give someone twenty
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: to pick ticks. You think it's a high percentage. Evacuate
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: the cape once that animals been dead for a while.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Sure that happens a little bit. Yeah, maybe if they
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: haven't attached themselves yet. But I think most of the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: ones I saw are so bloated they're not going anywhere.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I think a trick is to freeze them for a
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: little while, make them real cold, you know, and then
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: maybe they come off easier or something. But you've got
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to go through there. Literally what they find tooth comb
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: and a pair of tweezers for a couple of hours.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen a pint and jar full after one okape,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: someone filled a pint jar with ticks. That's cool, uh man,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: I would never I mean, you know, nothing against anyone
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: that does. Just personally, I would never mess with that.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Just bring to school home, set it on a school shelf.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: So what else we have to do ni, because we
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: still have to do that tonight. As far as like
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: being legal beagle going across the border with they're just
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: in paperwork. We get to fill out that says what
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: we're bringing across, how much meat? And there is a tag. Yeah,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: you put a tag on the andlers. Is that just
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: a customs tag or is that like an actual like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: game agency tag. Yeah, it comes from the Mexican government.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Really okay tag. But then the US guys will check it.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: And when they asked to inspect our meat, let's pull
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: out our tamali's. Yeah. Like right, dear boy, be like
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I counted those sens of bit Yeah, that should be
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: about it. But I was gonna say, yeah, that Carolina
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: man that helped us make these tamales. Uh. That's something
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: that Jay set up to you know, That's something I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: think that anybody can get that comes down here and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't huntle with Jay is you can just request that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: he uh um gets you a cook. So for a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: very affordable price. We ate some like super good authentic
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Mexican food. Not every night. We brought a lot of
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: our own food, but I think she cooked her own,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: like recipes. What three nights? What else do we have?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: How many tortosado? We had Italian one night and I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: put a tortilla in it and I brought down I
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: brought down um some fish jack and she cooked that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: fish for ut treo trees or trees on eggs. Yeah,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: she made it hunt rids of tortillas. So and she
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: made a big pot of which was amazing, feel like
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: good soup. And what else? We have Chili colorado the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: first night? The trees though, which is really good dinner
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: and breakfast Papa yes, which is the same on both
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: sides of the border. Yeah, but there's some different. Yeah.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's the fire. She fried him over a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: huge fire outside. Well, okay, the fried potatoes fire fried potatoes.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: But that was great because it really lets us to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: focus on the hunting and the production. Yeah, really was.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was like, why are we getting
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: to bed so early? And it was because somebody was
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: here getting food ready by the time I got back.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: And you'll be able to you'll be able to watch
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and see we filmed it, and I presumably filmed beautifully. Dude. Yeah,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: the kind of beautiful process of making to Molly's. Yeah,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: to Molly production. It was a nice scene. You could
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: do it in a day, but it took to It's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: something it really should be done over two days. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: and we did it, uh like an outdoor kitchen area
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: over wood fire, a lot of it. Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: It's just I can't wait to put I think it's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: gonna be a really cool scene. Man, It's gonna be
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: really cool scene. Karlyn is awesome, even though she didn't
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: say much. She's kind of like a cool like Grandma
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: style guide passing on the knowledge of to Molly making,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: which is good laborers. I think he appreciated it. Yeah,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: she gave you the unskilled are laughing at us? Yeah,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: all right, couple. Yeah. I had a long time ago,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of musk ox meat and gave musk
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: ox meat to a Guatemalan woman. And our deal that
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: we struck was I would get half my musk ox
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: meat back into Molly's, which is a good deal because
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: you wanted to getting a bigger pile of stuff back
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: then you gave like I gave her like I think
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I gave her like twenty pounds of musk ox meat
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: and I got ten pounds, which is a ton of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: to Molly's ten pounds meat. And I had wrapped them
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: all up and wrapped them all up and put in
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: my freezer and I just pull thettle suckers out and
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: eat them. They were good, even frozen, even you know, frozen,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: thawed and warmed up, We're wonderful. What's the best way
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: to warm it to Molly? Like reheat it to Molly.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like what I was doing, if I remember,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like I was sticking them in my oven. Mm. Well,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think I was micro and him. I think
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: I was throwing him in my oven. I wrapped him
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: in foil, yeah, or just steam him again? Did we
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: steam him? Yeah? That's gonna be yeah, office, I might
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: even have to have another one before I go to bed.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll do oh yeah, night. Yeah. All right, Well, Rick,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: what's your um? You know your clothing? Thought? Your concluded?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: All right? You can go back to you can go
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: back to luring in ladies. No, No, this is that drone. No,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: is that how much fun we had on the mountain.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a while since I've worked on
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: one of these, uh one of the shows. I was
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: busy this fall, so I sadly didn't get to go
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: on any of the adventures. I missed out on a
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: fog nack happily. Um. But the first hunt I filmed
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: it was Accous deer Hunt with Remy Warren. That was
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: your first foray into film and hunts. Yep, yep, it
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: was yeah, like I've never done it, and I thought
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: it sounds like it would be a good experience, But
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it would be. It would be
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: such a something that I look forward to, you know,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: regard it as lowly No, it's actually I think it's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: kind of in a lot of ways. It's like everything
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: that I like about filmmaking distilled into a very pure form.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Does it does it because because you come out of
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: nature documentaries and whatnot? Does it mean those dudes frown
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: on you? Does that community frown on you because you
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: go out? I don't know, do the savagery I don't.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I don't really check in. You don't you know what?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: They don't care about their opinion on it. No, No,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I I feel like I'm more a
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: part of just a filmmaking or documentary community. And then
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: I have a niche, but I jump, I do a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: lot of different things. But I feel that it's it's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: just a challenging thing to do to to document these
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: hunts in a way that conveys the aesthetic, the narrative,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: everything you guys feel about the hunt. So there's just
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of complicated factors and you just have to hike,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: hike and keep up. So which I enjoy, I mean
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: compared to a lot of the jobs I'm on. You know,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: if you're in hotels or you just feel pretty bad
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: at the end of every day, Like, yeah, you feel bad.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: And at the end of these days you might feel tired,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: but you feel like, I don't know, if you feel
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: like super Yeah, more like you're on vacation than you're
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: at work. Dude. The other day, we did sorry, we
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: did the we did a hunt, successful hunt, came back,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: did push up, little lunch break club, the Hondo Club.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Everybody got to a Hondo and then we went back
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: out for an evening hunt, hiking all around. Yeah, and
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: then if yeah, you feel better at the end. I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: mean we're going to tu dear, just the whole, the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: whole deal. I mean, accuse, you're easily one of my
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: favorite animals to watch, or at least it's my favorite
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: hunt that I've filmed. I just really liked the process
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: glass and it's very there's a lot of patients involved. Yeah,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just I was. I was happy to get to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: come back, and it's this is my third goose deer hunt.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: So we're filming, you know which, but I feel like
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm part of the part of the hunt itself. So um, yeah,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: it was great. I really I really liked the just visually, Uh,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: this part of Mexico is really beautiful and different than
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I thought. Uh every morning and every evening you get
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: just the yeah, great light really now a lot of
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: lots and everything spiny, really cool plat, I mean, everything's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: cool about it. Yeah. So we're glad you had fun, right, Yeah,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: I like coming along. Thanks. Thanks, And I mean and Cal.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I got to hang out with Cal most
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: of the time, and he brought him coffee every day,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: so I've always had a warm cup. I mean it
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: just treats me. I mean in a lot of ways.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: It's like it's a it's the relationship between a cameraman
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: and whoever they're filming. It's this interesting dynamic, but especially
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: in a situation like this where I really am a
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm non hunter, I don't really know what I'm like,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not expert. I've you know, I try. I do
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: my best. But having Cal being like, all right, we're
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: gonna do this, he's very patient, like explains the process
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: or and he does it both on camera to the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: potential viewer but also to me, So I think he um,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I just really enjoy kind of being able to hang
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: out with somebody that it's kind of guiding me through
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: the process and hopefully that translates to good TV. Two.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Uh and you know takes the viewer along for a ride.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: But I enjoyed one around with Cal out there. Actually
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: mostly we just sat stared and you spotted some deer,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: very few. I felt bad. I tried hard, but I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: didn't have a tripod for my It was great. It's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: super fun. Yeah, dude, I feel bad too every day
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: we're not spotting there here. Yeah, you know, they're there,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: that's what it's not. Yeah, they were there and I'm
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: just mitten not seeing them. But I know what I'm
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: saying is you're not alone. Even after a dozen of
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: you guys are good at it, I still feel that way. Yeah,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: But I did like when you guys couldn't amongst one another,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: because it happens to tell us, because we just don't
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: spend that much time behind binoculars, or maybe as much time.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Is when you couldn't find the animal that somebody else sees,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: it gives me. It's not it doesn't give me pleasure,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: but because I often feel that, like somebody else sees something,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just can I don't know where you're looking.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: You could explain very clearly where it should be, and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: you just can't see it. What's what's happening there? A
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: lot of times the one that sees it catches the movement, yeah,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: or catches it out in the open, right, and so
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: then they got a lock on it, and then it
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: moves into a shitty spot yeah, and then other people,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: like the original finder, it gets to the spot where
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: the original finder wouldn't be able to find it either
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: if they didn't already know it was there, and then
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: it gets really frustrating. Yeah, But didn't happen to me,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: But you thought what I'm saying because you want to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: be like, well, okay, but he's kind of behind that
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: bush and you look, you'll see his foot sticking out.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: It just something about once you notice something, it becomes
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: visually more obvious than But I like seeing that dynamic
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: unfold because you guys are all very good at spotting things,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: and so when you get frustrated and not being able
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: to But I think you're specifically talking about because I
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: feel that way. Talking in Yeah, talking in the whole
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: process is just like I regard that as um, this
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: is this is gonna sound bold, but I think that uh,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I regret that as one of my specialties talking people,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I feel that I'm I I feel that I do
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: a pretty good job of trying to talk people into
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: where I'm looking. You know why, because I take the time.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I take the time. I think Cal uh does some
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: big leaps. He doesn't walk you through every tree. I'm like, okay,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: and then there's that tree, and then if you immediately go,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: then there's that tree. And then if you go six
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: o'clock from him, there's that bush. Cal's like, oh and
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: over one thing I would do more consistently. Is the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: is your o' clock method? O'clock is the only way
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: to play if you don't run, if you're not running,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: center o' clock. To describe what we're talking about, you
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: see some they try and tell people where it is.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: So I will I go to like a feature that
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: everyone would agree with start with, and it could be anywhere.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: To start with something that everyone could agree with, like
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: that big, huge rocky peak and people like got it,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: and then work from there. Okay, it's a good meth
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: go towards seven o'clock. From there until you have an
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: unfair advantage because you're such a you know, a natural
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: teacher and a patient. That does help. It does help,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: no frustration, mark what you got. If you had to
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: take the whole like one thing, one thing from the
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: whole thing, what would that one thing be that has
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: to be my concluder. Yeah, it's kind of like the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: spirit of concluders are you could come out of the
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: left field. I don't know what you can talk about,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Rick whatever, Well, well, my one thing is is kind
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: of it's it's kind of two part I guess because
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: the one thing that struck me the most about this
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: what was so cool was the the taking of something
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: that's so familiar to me and that I'm so passionate about,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: white tail deer, so known to me, and then throwing
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: that into a situation in a landscape so unknown to me.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: So seeing this this my my my favorite game animal,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: without of doubt, white tail deer here in place that's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: so foreign, um and new. Was was a lot of fun.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Everything was new about this, not just the place, but
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: also as we talked about, you know, this type of hunt. Um,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: So that was really really fun, really interesting. Um. But
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: what it did leave me with was a desire to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: go back to a little bit of the familiar, which
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: was I wanted to be closer to these animals. Like
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: one of the things I love about hunting white tails
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: back home is being yards from them and hearing them
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: and being afraid to move or make the slightest sound,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: different things like that. So coming out of this, I
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing I'm taking away is is how
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: awesome it was and how I want to try to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: bow hunt one of these suckers someday People do it. Yeah,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: just just feel like an entirely different approach. Yeah, it
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: would be so different, so difficult, but like this kind
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: of leaves me charged with wanting to try that someday
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: because it would just be neat to try to figure
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: out some way to slip in really close to one.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I think you'd want to get into a situation where
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: you had a buck, you had like a like a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: some of that running activity where you got a doll
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: and there's bucks chasing around, and just get down on
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: that zone and see what happens. Yeah, I think it's
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, certainly the wind getting that
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: zone and then just kind of try to just wait
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: and see what opportunities or if he moves. Yeah, you've
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time having no idea where they
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: were because you're on their slope with them. Yeah, and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: you might hear something, but it would be tricky. But
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know people do it. Yeah. Well,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: it's like you know, the other day, after I shot
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: my buck, you came up and we had seen this
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: other deer, and then all of a sudden we heard
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: the deer grunting and he came right by us. I mean,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: he must have been within yards probably, but you can
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: never see him. He was downslope enough and that the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: brush was tall enough and he was small enough probably
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: that right there, probably within bow range, no idea that
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: where it was. Yeah, I had a bucket ten yards.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: We had to be jumping over a road going. He
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: had a dainty, little bad it's a little little guy grunt. Yeah,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: but so cool. And I just really appreciate you guys
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: having me along. I mean, this is like a once
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity probably for for me or a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: lot of people. And man, I enjoyed its man something
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, hand has my kids call him Cahan,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Hey Cahan. Yeah, just a phenomenal trip, I guess. Observations
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: just the um, the scale, like the grass isn't abnormally tall,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the the deer just short, like it's knee high grass. Um.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: And I had I definitely had a hard time like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: making my brain put these these deer at the proper
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: scale over and over again. Um. And they're gorgeous creators. Um.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: Really really had a good time. Really enjoyed the terrain,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: real ankle breaking hills out here though, like all that
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: loose rock round rolling loose rock. Um U. I gotta
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: see a coati which was pretty hilarious. And that that
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: was a good Rick Smith we were hiking up the
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: road and he's like, oh, you know, I think this,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: uh this poop here's a from a quality. Well, so
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: there's a couple that different ways to pronounce it. I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to hash it out, go ahead anyway, It's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: like a souped up raccoon monkey exactly, yes, thank you.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: And uh. I was like, oh yeah, you know, I
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: saw one of those down on the yuk tan on
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: on the side of the road one time. You see
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: them out. They come out at night digging, like looking
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: around beach or shellfish and really cool. And uh, you know,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: later on that day, we're sitting on this ridge, um
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: getting out smarted by these cus deer bucks and I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: stand up and look and uh, Rick was, you know,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: always a tent of like Rick always was. So he
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: was locked in those binoculars down on the ground and
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like Rick, you're and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: I couldn't remember the name, so I'm like, you know,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Mexican bush monkey, Rick, get up. Um. So that was
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: super fun. It's just a great trip on all of it,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: just odd observations. At this point, I'm getting kind of tired.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: But the meat was fantastic. People were fantastic. I love
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: the the the pace of life. And and uh, Beto
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: and Carolina down here, we're huge parts of the trip.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Carolina um and uh yeah, stellar crew. You know, one
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: thing that I always love about running around the woods
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: with photographer types is the fact they they like to notice.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: It's their job to notice. Also, like all the all
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: the good extra stuff. You know, it's not just the deer,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: it's the sunrises, the sunsets, the big thorns, the um,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: the bonus critters um and uh, that's really enjoyable, rich powder,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Viva Mexico. Bro, that's all I gotta say. Loving it,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: loving it. Sunsets, I mean it's fine, man. Yeah, you'd
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: like filming that sunset, dude. Sunsets down here. We're big
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: throbbing drowner dude. Spiritual awakenings in those things. Man, they're crazy.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: It's cool. It's really cool down here. Johnny's I think
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: that's what they called you at the border. Johnny's something
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: like that. No, actually, I think that the guy at
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: the ID wanna we got our tourists visa. I think
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: he actually pronounced it properly. No, man, I was standing
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: there waiting for him to pronounce it. Because I was
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: excited about what would happen, he said. Johnny's mhm, yeah, anyway,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: I thought you did a better job than normal. Uh. Yeah,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: I love cus here. What I like about it when
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I always leave, I like the fact that I still
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: feel like a real beginner at this thing and um
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: hunting them and uh it's great to have a a
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: quarry out there that I'm unfamiliar with, and that every
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: time I come down for a hunt of like, I
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: feel really uh like like the odds are against me.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: We see a lot of little box I think if
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: you just didn't care, you know, what kind of buck
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot, then I wouldn't feel that way because
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: you probably could get that done in a couple of days.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: But if you set out to shoot something that's you
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: know whatever, a little bit bigger than average, older than average,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: however you want to put it, it's uh, it's a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: real challenge and it's um not easy to do. And
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah. I like that, like being uh
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: just to be just a beginner. It is the kind
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: of thing where you're you're thinking, like, oh man, next year,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna because it since you never feel like you
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: gotta totally figured out. Yeah, I think we stayed down
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: here for two more weeks and guided you know, four
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: guys piece. That would add up pretty quick. Yeah, week
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: at a time here and there, and yeah, don't great,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: it's instantly addicting. My favorite part of the trip was
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: honestly making the watching the tomall He's get made. That
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you'd counter
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  Speaker 1: people in life, um that you're just not that that
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't really know what their trip is, right,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: and they don't understand, like you don't really understand the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: details of their life, and you don't and you don't
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: understand the details of their life, and you're probably not
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: even equipped to understand the details of one another's lives.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: And then the language barrier makes it even that that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: you're especially not gonna understand the details of each other's lives. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like an empathy there, like like a
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: human empathy or desire to connect. And it's just cool
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  Speaker 1: to be able to spend a bunch of time with
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  Speaker 1: someone and like learn some food preparation like that, and
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  Speaker 1: and it winds up being that you get you just
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  Speaker 1: get the sense that like people are enjoying themselves and
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: and feeling not entirely different, you know. And and that's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: the kind of thing, like, you know, to be in
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: a situation where you've it's a strange relationship to have
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: with someone, um, to make someone that you don't know
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: and you you're you're down filming and so you hire
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: someone to do some cooking for you, um, and you
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: can't talk really that that that well, it's just an
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: unusual relationship, right, It's like it's a relationship that that
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: tends to make me like that kind of relationship makes
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: me uncomfortableoks. I feel like there's somehow like an unequal
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: footing in some way. Um. But then to be able
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  Speaker 1: to hang out today doing that and watch someone do
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: something and and and uh like do it well and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: do it very beautifully. I thought it was cool. It
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: was a nice I mean, I love the hunting. You know,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: the hunting is great. Um, you know, come back many
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: times to do it. We're already talking about come back
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: next year. But like those little connection points I think
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: are pretty cool. It would have been a completely different
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: trip without that, yeah, just would have been and kind
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: of her relationship to you know, attitude about dear meat.
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  Speaker 1: It's a coveted thing. Yeah, you know it was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun to watch. Man. Then just like the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: no measuring cups, just everything by just eye of ball,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: just like haven't done it and done it and done
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: it and done it and done it and then um,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: a pair of hands that have seen a tremendous amount
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: of work, not specialized work work. Yeah, like work work. Yeah,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: m hands like that don't just happen. No. I like
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: looking at all the guys, everybody's hands, they're all worth
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: like a lot of time. Yeah, it's good man. It
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: sets your head right. Some trips kind of set your
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: head right. You know, it's fun, all right, thanks for listening.