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Rodney Alcala, The Dating Game Killer. Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to part two of Rodney Alcala, The Dating Game Killer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.
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  Speaker 1: Gram, a true crime podcast. Warning. The following and material
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  Speaker 1: intended for a mature audience listener discretion. We're onn part two.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: This is our first two part.
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  Speaker 1: I are you excited to die back in and actually
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  Speaker 1: learn what this ship bag did to people?
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  Speaker 2: I am, I am, and I'm not like he was
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  Speaker 2: a piece, but I need some closure here. I do,
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's important, Like he's fuck. This dude is so bad,
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  Speaker 1: the ship that.
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  Speaker 2: He's gotten, he's done, and like it's like the system
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: allowed him to do this rightly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and multiple times. Yeah, because like Tally, right right
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: off the get go, he freaking brutally raped, strangled, beat.
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  Speaker 2: Her, And I honestly feel like even without her being
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: at the trial, like the police officer and stuff like
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: that should have been enough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely should have been. Because he saw his face
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  Speaker 1: in the window exactly, he knew it was him. He
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  Speaker 1: was basically caught red handed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's there's that one. There's Robin Samso another
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  Speaker 1: one that he had basically witnesses right there and identified.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why he's he's in on trial right now
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  Speaker 1: in court because of that Robin Samsoe case. So yeah,
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: he just he's all kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Funny except to no good. Yeah, no good.
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  Speaker 1: The camp counselor thing really got to you though, didn't it.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, because I in my day job higher camp counselors.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, So I never put that together.
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  Speaker 2: What the ship. Yeah, but you know what, guess what
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: what I do background checks on them?
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  Speaker 1: What I know, maybe people should do that sort of
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: thing when you're you're hiring for the LA Times or
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: doing you know, maybe I don't know, hiring counselors for
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: a camp, or I don't know, hiring people to come
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  Speaker 1: on your game show on public television.
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  Speaker 2: Background checks are a good thing, and they.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: Are background check everybody, background check your dog, your mommy,
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  Speaker 1: your dad, your neighbors, everybody. It's important. It's got to
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  Speaker 1: know what they what they've done. So I agree, I agree,
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  Speaker 1: and even still even that whole process, that fifteen year
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: old mini quite who is left for dead, t shirt
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  Speaker 1: down or throat sort of thing. Yeah, you're still just
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  Speaker 1: walking the streets after that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really disturbing. Yeah, it's quite disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking with about with We're talking about a real
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  Speaker 1: shit bag here, not with and God.
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  Speaker 2: And he was sitting beside me, I'd be like.
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  Speaker 1: I he would be six feet under our backyard right now.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: If he was sitting right beside.
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  Speaker 2: Us, I would actually be running. So it's his flight
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: or fight, and I'm a flight and you're a fight.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't run from this guy like you look at
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  Speaker 1: him now. He's this sad, pathetic excuse for.
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  Speaker 2: What we can Okay, so I could take him. Oh yeah, okay,
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: I'm into that.
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  Speaker 1: So we are going back into his trial though, because
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  Speaker 1: he's just got arrested for Robin Samso and on July
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourth, nineteen seventy seventy nine. He was arrested in
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  Speaker 1: His trial begins in nineteen eighty, so even in.
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  Speaker 2: The time that he was supposed to have this trial
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  Speaker 2: with Robin, he ended up doing whatever he did with mindy.
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  Speaker 1: Mindy, Oh did I.
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  Speaker 2: Just make up a name?
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  Speaker 1: You just made up an okay?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, who's the one with the T shirt stuffed in
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  Speaker 2: her face?
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  Speaker 1: That was Monique?
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  Speaker 2: Oh Monique? Okay, it'd started with an M. I was
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  Speaker 2: a little close, little close. Yeah, okay, so I'm just
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  Speaker 2: making sure I'm on the right page here.
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  Speaker 1: I know that was uh hold on, he was out
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  Speaker 1: on bail from Anique when he did the Robin Samso thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sorry, I'm getting.
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  Speaker 1: Mixed up, So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: His trial wasn't a short trial though, no, no going
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  Speaker 1: to court. They had almost fifty witnesses who testified against him.
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  Speaker 2: Holy that's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of the witnesses were individuals who were on
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  Speaker 1: the beach the day that Robin disappeared and also had
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  Speaker 1: encounters encounters with with Rodney, to which before the trial,
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  Speaker 1: Rodney denied even ever being at the beach, which was
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  Speaker 1: Huntington Beach.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, that's a busy beach.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he denied ever even being there. He's like, uh no,
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  Speaker 1: it's been years since I've been there.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, there's like twenty people that were like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: saw you there, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well not even that. There's there's evidence he was
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  Speaker 1: there because you know that locker, that storage locker with
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  Speaker 1: all the photos that he tried to oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Amongst all the photos, they identified areas and individuals Rodney
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  Speaker 1: had photographed to prove that he was lying. So they're like,
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  Speaker 1: this is Huntington Beach in your photographs we found in
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  Speaker 1: your storage locker, with the receipt we found in your possession,
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  Speaker 1: and these are girls who say they saw you there
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  Speaker 1: at the beach, and here's photographs you took of them
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  Speaker 1: at said beach.
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  Speaker 2: We got you.
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  Speaker 1: So he's straight out lying and there's like no doubt,
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  Speaker 1: like one hundred percent proof that he's lying about that.
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  Speaker 1: It took two months, but in nineteen eighty Rodney was
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  Speaker 1: found guilty and convicted to death.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, for.
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  Speaker 1: The murder of Robin Samsill.
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  Speaker 2: Just the murder of Robin. Oh right, Well that was
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  Speaker 2: the only Sorry, I got a little distracted there.
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  Speaker 1: Well I couldn't see the time there. So you're I
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  Speaker 1: was signaling.
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  Speaker 2: You, I know what I was letting. I was taking
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  Speaker 2: the blame for that.
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  Speaker 1: I got you. I got you.
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  Speaker 2: That was the only trial he was for was just
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  Speaker 2: Robin or the only like shit that he'd done was
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: just that one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, everything else has been taken care of already, right,
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  Speaker 1: Tolla Shapiro. He's already gone through trial for that. Was
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  Speaker 1: only found a child, not.
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  Speaker 2: In a satisfying way. So that's why I'm like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like, a, yeah, he's gone through the trials and
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  Speaker 1: tribulations of that, but are we satisfied with the results. Hell?
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  Speaker 2: No? Okay, so he's sentenced to death.
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  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to death. There's an interview with Robin's mother,
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  Speaker 1: which that the highlight I'm about to talk about here
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  Speaker 1: was actually also in that documentary, okay, And during the
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  Speaker 1: conviction she had this to say, it's a poor exchange
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  Speaker 1: for my daughter's life, but maybe it will save someone
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: else's by him being gone. And actually I didn't write
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  Speaker 1: this in the notes, but I feel like now is
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  Speaker 1: a good time to actually bring it up. She actually
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  Speaker 1: brought a gun to court and planned on shooting him
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  Speaker 1: in the face in court.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame her.
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  Speaker 1: In that documentary, she talks about it, and she says
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  Speaker 1: the reason she didn't was Robin stopped her. She said
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  Speaker 1: she had her hand on the gun in her purse,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, she smelt Robin's shampoo and
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  Speaker 1: her hand got real warm.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Okay, that just like makes my eyes
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  Speaker 2: feel like they're just slaughtering up a little here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: She brought a gun, fully intending on putting a bullet
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  Speaker 1: between his eyes, and she says her daughter stopped her
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  Speaker 1: from doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Geez, you're making us all emotional up in here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is an emotional case.
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  Speaker 2: Holy moly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Should I should I give you a minute
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  Speaker 1: to breathe?
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  Speaker 2: Well? No, I really, that's just nice. That is nice.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice.
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  Speaker 1: You could.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So he sentenced to death. But however, four years later,
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four, there was an overturn and the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court decided in a five to one decision that
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  Speaker 1: he did not receive a fair trial as a judge
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  Speaker 1: had allowed the jury to hear about the Tali Shapiro
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  Speaker 1: case and I'll call his other rape and kidnapping convictions.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glaring at you right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you are. I feel that death stare. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: do this. Why are you getting mad at me?
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  Speaker 2: Well, because you're the presenter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go on.
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  Speaker 1: So it was back to the courtroom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's oh.
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  Speaker 1: And in nineteen eighty six, after his trial, he was
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  Speaker 1: again found guilty and sentenced to death.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: With another overturn.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what's the overturn.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find a lot of information on this overturn.
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  Speaker 2: These people are like screwed out their mind.
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  Speaker 1: The only real, uh like things I could find about
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  Speaker 1: this and this is really not gonna make you happy.
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  Speaker 1: It was overturned because there was claims that a witness
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  Speaker 1: was hypnotized.
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  Speaker 2: By who.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't really find much information on.
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  Speaker 2: This absurd Yeah, one witness who cares off. One witness
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  Speaker 2: was hypnotized.
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  Speaker 1: But it was someone like the park ranger or something,
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  Speaker 1: someone who found Robin's body or something. So their testify,
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  Speaker 1: their their trial, their testification or whatever you want to
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  Speaker 1: say on the stand was kind of like null and
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  Speaker 1: void essentially, was it?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So now it's back to the courtroom for a
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  Speaker 1: third time.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet love this love that.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, how I couldn't again. I'm learning so much through
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  Speaker 1: this podcast and through researching, but I'm still not too
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: clear on exactly how evidence works in the court system.
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  Speaker 1: But I do know when things are overturned in a
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  Speaker 1: court there's a lot of evidence that can't be used
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  Speaker 1: a second time. I don't know what sort of stipulations
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  Speaker 1: there are within said evidence, but most of the evidence
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  Speaker 1: that they were using against him in their previous two
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  Speaker 1: trials were now like out the window. It can't use
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  Speaker 1: it again.
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  Speaker 2: As you're speaking like you're preparing us for something.
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  Speaker 1: Well I am, and I am not there. We turn
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  Speaker 1: around quickly again, do worry? Okay, so they can't use
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the evidence that they did have.
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  Speaker 2: Baloney, Yeah, I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: However, in two thousand and three, and remember this trial
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  Speaker 1: started in nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so he's like forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: Really fucking the system we are now twenty three years later.
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  Speaker 1: So in two thousand and three, during preparation for the
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  Speaker 1: third trial, some new evidence had surfaced that tied Rodney
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  Speaker 1: Alcala to two other murders. Okay, good, DNA identification technologies
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: come a long way since the seventies. We were very
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: well aware of that. Yeah, And semen samples collected in
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: old cases had now linked Rodney to these cases.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, don't love that.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah me either. Additional evidence had also connected him to
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  Speaker 1: the murder of two other cases. And the four women
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: that were murdered were Jill Barcombe, who was eighteen killed
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven and originally thought to be a
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  Speaker 1: victim of the Hillside strangler, who was another prolific serial
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: killer at the time in the same area. That's probably
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: going to be another episode when they're just moving them.
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  Speaker 2: To serial killers.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Georgia Wixt who is twenty seven, she was
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  Speaker 1: bludgeoned in her Malibu apartment in nineteen seventy seven.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a bit older than he normally
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  Speaker 2: goes for.
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte Lamb, who was thirty one, is raped and strangled
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  Speaker 1: in El Segundo in nineteen seventy eight. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: where that is. I'm assuming it's just like a little
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  Speaker 1: outlying area. And Jill Pirantu, who is twenty one, killed
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  Speaker 1: in her Burbank apartment in nineteen seventy nine. All of
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  Speaker 1: these women were found nude, beaten, strangled, and posed in
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  Speaker 1: sexually explicit ways, which by now had been known to
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: be a pattern specific to Rodney Alcala.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's really gross.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this dude's a fucking creep. Like he's he's
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: done some shit, no kidding. But now we have a
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  Speaker 1: total of five cases.
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  Speaker 2: Which I do like, like that's good, like this is good.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is here, we're crossing jurisdictions too. It
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things that people were talking about is
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: that it looks almost like Rodney was going from jurisdiction
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  Speaker 1: to jurisdiction, Like it's different areas to try and commit
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  Speaker 1: these atrocities, and you.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Can get away with it more easily.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like they're not communicating with each other, right,
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: and it makes things harder. Yeah, However, like they did
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: start working with each other and it kind of like
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: backfired on him because what he had planned didn't really work.
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  Speaker 1: So now he's got this total of five cases that
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  Speaker 1: he's being charged with, and prosecutors entered a motion to
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: join the SAMSU charges with those four newly discovered victims,
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  Speaker 1: so in one single trial. So now you can see
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: it's not just a single like this individual he's charged
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  Speaker 1: with and then another trial for this one. This one.
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  Speaker 1: Now they can show patterns of all of them across
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  Speaker 1: the board. Now they can use evidence in this one
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  Speaker 1: in this trial and that trial all ties together. You
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: really get this painted picture on who this fucking asshole is.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it paints like a way more depth picture.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which really fucks him over, thankfully. Well, yes
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  Speaker 1: he does, Yes, he does, of course Rodney, I'll call
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  Speaker 1: it contested the motion in two thousand and six. In
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and six, but the California Supreme Court ruled
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  Speaker 1: in the proxecution's favor, allowing all five in the trial.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, and in two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 1: i'll call a stood trial once again. So here we are, now,
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine years later, he's on trial for all five
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  Speaker 1: of these murders. At the third trial, i'll call it,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: was acting as his own attorney, very Ted Bundy esque. Really, yeah,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: he was his own.
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  Speaker 2: Attorney for this whole thing or just this one.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the whole thing. Actually, it's
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. It's definitely written in this third trial he did,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't I can't recall anywhere else saying it was.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to assume that if he did in
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: this one, he probably did for the other one.
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  Speaker 2: He's too pretty old at this point, Yes.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Yes he is. Yeah, well, we'll get into his age
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  Speaker 1: a little bit here, but he's probably he's definitely in
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: his sixties.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, not that that's super old if anyone that age listening,
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  Speaker 2: but like I mean, when he started this, he was
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: like in his thirties, so it's or hose or something.
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  Speaker 2: So he's really he's just aged obviously.
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  Speaker 1: At the trial, though, acting as his own attorney, he
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  Speaker 1: told jurors that he was at Knotsberry Farm when Samso
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: was kidnapped, so Robin Samso was not someone he was
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: even involved with. He claims. However, he's had no alibis
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  Speaker 1: over the last twenty something years. He can't prove anything.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: None of his accounts or claims. Nothing says it. Even
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend at the time of Robin SAMSO's disappearance could count.
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  Speaker 2: Girl.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: He was very charming.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know you said that, but I'm just like.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Eh, and I mean you look back in the seventies.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely not my type. But he's not
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: a bad looking dude.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: It's good looking dude. Okay, I wanna have to do
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: some research on this.
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  Speaker 1: So not only was he acting as his own attorney,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: but even took the stand himself as a witness in
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: an effort to try and prove his innocence. He did
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: this mostly as a defense against the Robin Samson case.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: He knew everything about the case. He's had twenty something
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  Speaker 1: years to stew on this He's already gone through trial
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  Speaker 1: twice on it, so he knows what the defense has
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  Speaker 1: against him, what they want to talk about, what they
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: want to target. He knows it inside and out. He's
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: gone through case files. He's rotted in a jail cell
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: for twenty years. So that's what he focused on. That's
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: why he was eager to get to the stand, because
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: he knew he could defend himself, or so he thought.
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  Speaker 1: What he didn't think about, though, was everything has changed
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: since the nineteen seventies. We're talking DNA. He didn't account
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Oh really, So he's not quite as smart as he thinks.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he kind of really fucked himself oward because
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: while he was in prison, Rodney actually wrote and published
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a book about the Robin Samson case called You the Jury.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Don't buy the book. Don't read it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it might support him. Fuck him. If it
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't support him, look into it, maybe read it. I
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't want to look anything into it
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: because I was like, fuck this.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Dude, don't buy the book. Yeah, I love that.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: But he wrote about proclaiming his innocence in this book.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: He really fucked himself over. Because he didn't know about DNA.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: He wrote this book which really solidified a lot of
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: his statements in writing prior to DNA.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Really yeap.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: The defense used this book against him.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness's statements and everything. Wow.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Remember he had published this, he had wrote it. He
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: can't claim that what's said in there is incorrect.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: We can't deny that, noe.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: In his book, he wrote that his sister had given
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: him the earrings that were found in the locker, the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: storage locker. Remember there was a little bag of earrings.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Robin's earrings were found in there. Yeah, and he said
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: that the only person can that can match those ear
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: rings to Robin was his mum. She's the only one
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: who claims that there's no DNA that they could find
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: attaching Robin to those earrings. However, new DNA evidence did
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: show definitively that another pair of the earrings belonged to
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Charlotte Lamb, one of the victims. He was already currently
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: standing trial for that. He claimed his sister gave him
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: those earrings. Hmmm, so DNA shows he's lying again.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good old DNA.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As for Charlotte. In the three other cases, he
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: offered zero defense of any kind. He only defended himself
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: against Robin Samso, so you think this is.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: So interesting, Like I feel like defending yourself At points,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, maybe that would benefit you, But
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I don't actually feel like that would benefit at you
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: at all. You're way too close to the situation.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're leaving yourself like so vulnerable exactly.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what he was thinking. He thought
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he could he was smart enough, but he definitely is.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Not quite a few issues.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, sorry, sip of water. So the only defense
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: he did actually assert against the other four cases was
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: that he couldn't remember killing any of those women. Wow, yeah,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I just I just honestly can't remember.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: No, that was what he said, I don't remember.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: That's an awesome defense.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cool story, Bra. What else you got, fucking moron?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Oh that's like hilarious.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard report rapport. I think it is a psychiatrist
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: paid by al Kala, and the only defense witness testified
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that borderline personality disorder we talked about earlier could explain
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I'll call his claims that he had no memory of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: committing murders.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Oh no, So is it like almost gonna be okay
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: because he has this disorder? Sorry, okay, no, just keep going,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: We're getting to the closing of this trial. Here you'll see.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So that was his only defense that he had, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: as a part of his closing argument, he played a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: portion of Arlo Guthrie song Alice's Restaurant, in which the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: protagonist tells a psychiatrist he wants to quote unquote kill
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: what he was trying to obtain by that, I have
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: no fucking clue, but that's what he did.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Huh. This guy seems like he's just a wild card.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, oh deaf. Can you imagine? Like I'm gonna
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: stand on trial be my own attorney. I'm gonna take
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that stand. I'm not going to offer any sort of
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: defense for seventy five percent of my case. I am
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: going to completely ignore the fact that I wrote a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: book confessing a lot of things. Yeah, and then once
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I'm done, I just want to play a song for you.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Guys will jam out for a little bit.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like my favorite song. I just want you
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to hear it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, in the song, it's a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it's a dude talking about how he wants to kill
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: but I didn't kill.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Him, Mike drum right, Like, what the fuck?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is going through this guy's head?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't make a lot of sense
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to me, especially.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: For someone who, like twenty years prior to this is
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: such a manipulative, charismatic fucking like I don't even know
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the word. I can't put it into words, but he's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: so manipulative and he has this way with people. For
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: him to do this, it's like a out of character
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for him and be just fucking stupid.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Well, he might have lost his touch, really well, I
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: think so. Yeah, it took.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: The jury only one day to come back with the verdict.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Really, that surprises me.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: In March of twenty ten, which is now third years after.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: His trial, even that long ago.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Alcala was found guilty on all five accounts of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: murder as a surprise witness, Tali Shapiro came to the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: stand in the penalty phase. So when they were talking
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: about what he would receive for his guilt, so she
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: took the stand. She was if you don't remember who
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: she is, she was his first victim who was brutally
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: beat and raped at the age of eight, She stepped
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: forward took that stand, and since Rodney was acting as
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: his own attorney, he was able to question her. While
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: she was on the stand, he took the opportunity to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: say this to her, I sincerely regret and apologize for
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: my despicable actions that day. Shapiro said that it was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the first time Alcala had apologized to her in any way,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and she was asked if you moved her in any way,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and her response was hell no, hell no, hell no,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I love Tolly is the badass of the day here,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: by the way, fucking right on.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Hell no. But that it's also like interesting that he
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: like apologized to her. Oh yeah, this is where like
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: he should not be.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He's just falling apart.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's spiraling out of control.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So the sentencing came in and Rodney el Caller was
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: sentenced to death for a third time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, because that's where I was like, Oh, my goodness,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: is like the death penalty is still a thing, Like
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: did they get rid of it? That's what I was
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: worried about.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Well, he's he's sentenced to death. But after his trial,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the Huntington Beach Police Department or sorry, the Huntington after
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the trial on Huntington Beach, I knew the Huntington Huntington
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Beach Department didn't police department. Why am I stumbling so bad?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I knew the Huntington Beach Police Department wasn't a real thing.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So I had to re read that line and try
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and speak four more times. So, after his trial of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the Huntington Beach murders and all that sort of stuff,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a New York City Police Department there we go, released
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty of Alcala's photographs from that locker
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and sought the public's helped to identify the people in
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the photos, in hope identifying anyone, you know, women and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: children that he had photographed.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, which I mean is good, but also like.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Eeke, Yeah, approximately nine hundred additional photos could not be
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: made public because they were too sexually explicit.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, well that's says wondering what did they do with
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the ones that?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So those are just in police stands right now.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: They couldn't just get the face cut the face but yeah.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: In the first well that that how do you identify someone? Then?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Right, well, no, if they just like cropped the face out,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but then maybe if they're whatever position is there, any
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: might not even get a good view of the face.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Who knows? And where am I now here? All right?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: In the first week, police reported that cly twenty one
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: women had come forward to identify themselves, and at least
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: six families said that they believed they recognized loved ones
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: who had disappeared years ago and were never found.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Oh No.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: One family did identify at Christine Thornton as one of
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the individuals in the photographs. She had disappeared in nineteen
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: seventy seven and her body was found in nineteen eighty two.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Rodney Alcala has since been linked and was charged with
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: her murder in twenty sixteen as well. She was strangled
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to death and dumped on a ranch in Wyoming. She
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: was pregnant at the time.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Of her death, ah brutal.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: In twenty ten, Seattle police named Alcola as a person
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of interest in an unsolved murder of Antoinette Whittaker, she
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: was thirteen in July of nineteen seventy seven, and Joyce Gaunt,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: who was seventeen, and the case was in nineteen seventy eight.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: In March twenty eleven, investigators in Maine count California, announced
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that they were confident that al Kala was responsible for
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy seven murder of nineteen year old Pamela
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Jean Lampson, who disappeared after making a trip to Fisherman's
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Wharf to meet a man who had offered to photograph her.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Her battered naked body was subsequently found in Maine County
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: near a hiking trail.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's just disgusting.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: This dude fucking deserves to die and rot in hell.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but all this other new cases coming up,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: does that just like prolong his death sentence?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Well, how can you prolong a death sentence? Like, what
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: do you mean?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Is he alive right now?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: He is? He is alive right now.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that's being prolonged. He should have
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: already just like he should have been like put on
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the desk penalty year like bajillion years ago.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Like no doubt, this dude should just be fucking removed
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: from the planet as soon as possible.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: The documentary that you had talked about, does he in it? Like,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: is there like recordings of him speaking and stuff?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: There is a little bit in his court trial, the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: third trial.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, yep. Interesting.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So while in California's death Row, i'll call it pleaded
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: guilty in twenty twelve to the rape and murder of
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a flight attendant, Cornelia Crilly and a nightclub Harris ellen Hover,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: whose remains were found on the Rockefeller States in West
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Channer County, New York. So the list just keeps fucking.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Growing day by day. It's growing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just getting trial after trial and murder
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: charge after murder charge. Like, if this dude does not
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: receive the death penalty, I can only imagine how fucking
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: long his sentence would be, Like if you actually tally
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: up the years and years of whatever he got, Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine how fucking many years he would
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: have to serve.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Well, like, I mean, these cases or these new trials
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: or whatever are so important for closure for like the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: families and stuff. But like at this point, god, it
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't even fucking matter.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, exactly done, oh he is. But it's it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: closure for the families. It's understanding these cases. It's making
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: sure that we know what happened to these individuals. Yeah,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and that's what it is. And it's making sure that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: he has this Like you fucking did this. We know
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you fucking did this.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And I bet you there's still even probably tons that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: are out there, like those all those photos you said
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that they couldn't even put out because they're are Like
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: how many victims are in There.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Were a thousand photographs they have of different people and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: different explicit poses. Well, the average estimate for his murder
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: count is above fifty individuals who have fallen victim to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Rodney Alkalla, but police estimate Rodney could have murdered up
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to one hundred and thirty women in his lifetime.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: That is so.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: One one hundred and thirty women.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: That is insane.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, holy I can't I an't fuck this guy.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That is brutal. Like I'm like almost at a loss
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of words here. I just can't even believe. That makes
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: me angry.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Rodney is now seventy seven years old and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he's serving his time at the Kroken Court Krokowen Krokowan
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: State Prison. Sorry if I pronounced that terribly wrong.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I can't even believe he was able to get to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the age of seventy seven.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thankfully most of that has been behind bars. His
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: execution has been postponed indefinitely due to a temporary suspension
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: on the death penalty instituted by California State in twenty nineteen.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, well, that kind of means that he might not.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Then he's probably gonna just die in prison.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Very well, age, very well could.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It's actually surprising, and he isn't like I don't know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: maybe well, I mean, like I feel like all the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: shit he's done is stressful, but it probably wasn't to him. Like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how is he not at a heart attack
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: or something?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. I just want this man to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: fucking just fuck off. Just get the fuck out of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: stop breathing our oxygen. You're not worth it, I.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Know, Like, I just how can someone that brutally cruel
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: be living to their seventy seven and then like people
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: who are awesome, people like die young, Like I don't know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: that's massed.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and because of what he did to a lot
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of people, like Taly Shapiro's she's talking about how she
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: has a lot of trust issues with people. Yeah, every right.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: So, oh my gosh, she was a little girl.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I know your parents, It's okay, you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: come on, give you a ride hops in, brutally beaten
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and raped and left for fucking dead. Yeah, if it
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't for that officer, and if it wasn't for that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: good Smaritan, she wouldn't be here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Oh she would have been dead, for she would kill her.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: He just couldn't get to finish the job.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, for some reason, I didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: so that good Samaritan and that police officer, but then
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: for it to have gone on that much longer is.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Crazy, exactly. And I don't know how I have never
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: heard of this fucking dude, this case, like it's holy shit.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, especially because like the one you kind of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: refer to a lot like Ted Bundy, like kind of
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: similar characteristics or whatever, that one you hear so much about.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I haven't heard of this duty And.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I'm willing to bet that Rodney
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: al Koala has a bigger body count than Ted Bundy.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know Ted Bundy's murder list or how many
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: people his numbers, Yeah, but up to one hundred and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: thirty people, that's fucking that's a lot of people.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: You fucking Is there anyone out there that has more.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I really hope not.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I know. Okay, well, how did you come across this?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Did just researching or did someone recommend it?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It was recommended? Okay, yeah, Kristen recommended it. And she's like, yeah,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I have some friends who were like deep into like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the true crime stuff, and they just ran across this guy.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Didn't know anything about it. I've never heard anything about it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: She recommended the case, and I was like, yeah, I'll
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: take a look. I started looking into it, and I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: was like, holy fuck.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Well especially because okay, because he has a book and
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of the new trial stuff is fairly recent,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: so it's actually quite surprising.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how it's flown under our radar,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah, this dude deserves to fucking rot. That's all
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I know. No care, I wish I've never heard of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: this dude.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just come.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Well that's the episode.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good job, thank you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: First two parter, A little bit of a roller coaster.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I know, we gotta I was like, okay, we gotta
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: finish this off on a high note here, because everyone's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: just like their hearts are probably heavy. But yeah, no,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that was fun. It was fun to have a two
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: parter and to dive into this case even though the
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: guy's a little bit fucked up. Yeah, not even a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: little bit, just just a lot.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: There are going to be some two parties that are
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: going to happen in the future. We've had a lot
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of people telling us like, oh, you should do this case,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: this case, this case, and some of those cases like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the picked in case.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Picked In I know, I knew you were going for
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that one. You couldn't do that in one that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: There's no way you could do that in one that's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: at least the two parter. Yeah, and trust us, it's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: on the list. It's one of those ones that I mean,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't intend to do this one this heavy. Yet
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: if I knew this was this involved, I would have
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: pushed it off a little bit because we're still getting
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: our rhythm. The research is difficult, that sort of thing.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So I want to give time. I want to make
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: sure that we're ready for the picked in case.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, the picked in case freaking terrifies me.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucked up, and I am a lot.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And like, I feel like I know a fair amount
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: about it, but like when you dive in and Steff,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you just learned so much more. And I don't even know, like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: do I want to know that much about it?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Well, have you listened to any other like podcasts and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: picked in Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so it's it's fucked.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's that's a subtle way putting it. Yeah, definitely.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's wind this down, let's try and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: get this off our minds, and we'll talk to you
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: guys in our next episode.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for listening, and stay wicked.