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Motherhood on ice: Why men are to blame for women freezing their eggs! | Maintaining Frame 52 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello everybody, and welcome on Honey Badge Radio. My name is Brian,
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I'm who with Alison and this is maintaining frame number fifty two, Motherhood on
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ice. Why men are to blame for women freezing their eggs because men are
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responsible for every difficult choice that women. I don't know if you guys have
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noticed, but the the dice always land on men to blame. Yeah,
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it's it. They never they never land anywhere else. Ever. It's astounding,
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isn't it That men are literally to blame for everything in the world except
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everything good in it, which you know is just just happens by accident something
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you know, like the invisible gnome spirits make sure the electricity turns on and
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the plumbing works and all that, Ye Steve, Yeah, that's that's not
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to do with men. But everything wrong in the world, everything that's bad,
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that's definitely meant. And if you don't agree with that premise, or
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if you don't agree with that conclusion, with our preordained conclusion, you just
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don't understand the nuance of all that's right, that's right. But you just
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don't um. Miranda Bryant is going to just cover you in nuance with this
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with this article from The Guardian um motherhood on ice, lack of suitable men
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drives women to freeze their eggs because because men aren't living up. That's why.
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That's that's that's what it is. So yep, of course, of
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course it's a situation. And uh, okay, well before we get into
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it, because you know we're going to get into it. Yeah. Please,
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mother, So this is from the Guardian, so you know again they're
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they're we haven't really covered their stuff in a while, so it's kind of
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like a bit of a throwback. You know, nothing's changed, what nothing's
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changed? But there's no Oh no, of course not. Things have only
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gotten worse. Um, well, well I guess that that is a change.
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Yeah, it's change from stage three. Answer is a change? Yeah,
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it's not. It's progressing. Yeah, it is in a bad direction,
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but it's progressing. Therefore it's progressive. Okay, okay, So title
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Motherhood on ice. Lack of suitable men drives women to freeze their eggs.
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A lack of equal male partners rather than career educational ambitions is why more women
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are trying to prolong their fertility. This is literally like the plot to Idiocracy.
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Apparently, apparently Mike is a prophet and we should have listened to him.
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Do you have you ever seen that movie housen indioc Yeah, I have
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seen that movie. You remember the beginning whereas like the really smart couple that
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puts off having kids, Um, well, the dumb couple they just make
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kids with all kinds of other dumb people and themselves. So in this case,
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I don't know if these individuals I would classify as smart. No,
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I wouldn't I know, but I guess maybe they think that they would.
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They probably think of themselves as smart and educated and better than most men,
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which is why they can't find any like I could tell you right now that
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this attitude of everybody, like if a man is in a relationship with me,
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it's everything his fault. If a man isn't in a relationship, everything
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is his fault. That's certainly m you know, for anybody with any kind
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of healthy sense of boundaries. You just made yourself unlivable as as a fellow
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partner in a relationship, but basically making every problem your partner's problem, like
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everything, And that's that. That is throughout all of this, there's this
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huge chip on the shoulder of these women. You know, it doesn't matter
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their career ambitions, it doesn't matter their income. Who wants to be in
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a relationship with someone who has declared themselves your judge, jury and executioner.
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Who wants to live there? You know, like you're just sleeping beside a
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freaking guillotine, No, thank you. And I think most men on some
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level are repelled by this, as they should be, and as they have
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every right to be, because I can't imagine telling any one of the vast
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flavors on the gender spectrum. You know, we could go to, uh,
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okay, what's that tiger tiger stripe, the tiger stripe flavor of gender,
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and we say to the tiger stripe people, you know, you really
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need to be in a relationship with a person who hates tiger stripe, ye,
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who blames tiger stripe for everything that's wrong in the world and considers themselves
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they're their God given or their nature given or their feminist given duty to proselytize
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to you how wrong your existence is. Are you going to tell the tiger
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stripe people that they should be in a relationship with someone like that? Well,
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there you go. Men should not be in a relationship with these women.
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They just shouldn't. No, it has nothing to do with sex.
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That's the table. Are you not even bringing companionship because you've already stacked the
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deck with hatred? Yep? So yeah, okay, all right, we
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haven't even gotten into Yeah, let's let's start the article before we get in
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the weeds, right off the bat, starting in the weeds. So i'll
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read the first paragraph, Shall I selfish? Career driven women, gullible dupes
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of the fertility industry, victims of the patriarchy. When leading anthropologists marcsc Innhorn
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first embarked on her decade long study of why women freeze their eggs, the
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popular narrative was largely one of derision. So women choosing career and then freezing
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their eggs, that's patriarchy. That's not like everything is. This isn't feminism
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telling them, you know, hey, you can wait to have kids,
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wait until your thirty, forty fifty, whatever, doesn't matter, right,
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You don't need to get to a man, you don't need a family.
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You have a career. You're girl bossing right now. Yeah, but the
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desire to have a family, I guess is patriarchy. But you know,
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yes, the desire. You were socialized into it because you play with Barbie
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dolls and comb their hair, and you wore pink sometimes that's what did it.
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You put on a dress. Oh man, they got you. You're
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basically you're basically as the homing estrogen nano bots, just real like, ah,
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I got you. You're you're a Stepford wife. Now, um okay,
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so okay, a few things. Let's unpack this one. Nobody gave
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a fuck except maybe Stephen Milling you milling you, Yeah, well he's not.
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He didn't invent that. I mean, I think it's it's it's around.
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But I think the idea is that, I think the main point is
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to say women can't really have it all, just like men can't really have
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it all. You can't, you know, basically be a career driven like
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single, sex in the city type of person, and and eventually you'll come
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around when you get tired and all that, and maybe you'll start a family.
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The point is is that there's a biological reality to that being a limited
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option. And we're lying to women and they're allowing this, like they're just
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like, yeah, I think I'll wait until i'm fifty, and then they
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do and they hit menopause and suddenly it's men's fault and they're going to have
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like for men, it's regrets. So it's like, you can do whatever
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you want, but just take into consideration, you know what the tradeoff is,
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because it's always everything is trade offs. Yeah, you know, like,
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men have the trade off that if they want to exist within a culture
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or a nation or society, they have to be willing to die for it.
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Yep, you know, they just that's a tradeoff for them. Women
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don't have that trade off. But your tradeoff is you've got limited fertility,
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and regardless of how much science is attempting to make it work for you,
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there will be limitations to what science can do. That's your trade off.
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And people point it out. Some people point it out in a pointed way
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because that's amusing some people, you know, they're not very polite about it,
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but most people are just like, this is just reality. You can
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complain about reality as much as you want, but it remains reality. And
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the other thing is that I was going to say about patriarchy. There invocation
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of patriarchy. Of course, everything good is feminism and everything bad is patriarchy.
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And what we need to do when we question the logic of how things
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are decided, because the only logic is that the good things are feminism and
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the bad things are patriarchy. And you know, and so so feminists will
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make a declaration at eight or ten am in the day. They'll discover that
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that declaration has some downsides by two pm and by six pm, it's the
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patriarchy's fault that it happened. That's why it depends on how things turn out.
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So if the woman's happy with you know, whatever her choices are,
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then it's feminism doing what it's supposed to do. But if the woman is
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unhappy, then it's patriarchy. And it could literally be the same thing,
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like choosing to be a career person. That like, literally, if a
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woman becomes a career woman and like, you know, she never gets married,
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she never has kids, she never does any of that other stuff,
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and she's happy with her life, then that is feminism. But if it's
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the same if you have the same situation with a woman and she also made
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her whole life her career and she never had kids and she never got married,
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and then she's unhappy with the result, and oh, that's patriarchy.
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You know that, it could literally be both of those things at the same
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time. So everything good that happens to women supposedly is feminism, even if
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there's absolutely no direct involvement. But men are responsible for everything bad. They
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have to ameliorate everything bad. You know, what's really funny is does anybody
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ever make like the connection? Okay, if everything good is feminism and everything
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bad men have the responsibility to fix, then ultimately doesn't the good come from
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men fixing it? M No, No, of course, Again, it
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just comes down to what the individual woman feels about it. It doesn't matter
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what the what the outcomes are. The woman doesn't like the outcome, suddenly,
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even if she was on board before, it's patriarchy now. Like I
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can promise you that women who let's say they choose the girl boss role for
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their life and they start a company and they make like six figures and they
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have it all, but they don't have a man, it'll be feminism right
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up until they go where are all the good men? Why am I not
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finding somebody? Why am I so lonely? And then it's patriarchy. It's
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not her anymore. Well, then it's men to blame. It's men's vault.
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Yea, yeah, okay, but men are never told like one of
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the funny things. I had this argument with this feminist a while back,
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and he did not want to ascribe anything positive to men masculinity or men in
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power. So he basically said, while it was women's collective action that got
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them the vote. And then I sort of said, well, if women's
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collective action could get them the vote without without the draft or selective service,
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or the expectation that they die for the country, they have a say in,
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which is a deal that no man in all of human history has gotten.
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So they got a better deal than any man ever, including the elite
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ones. If women could do that with their collective power, what else can
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women's collective power do? Never Never responded to that. Yeah, okay,
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all right, let's get back to that. I got a super chat.
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I just got it. And let me see you seem okay. Albatross gives
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us ten dollars, Thank you, albatross, and he says, or they
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say, the only way egg freezing would work could work one hundred percent if
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we had the same special blood protein that some frogs and antarctic fish in seasonal
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environments have that prevent icicles from piercing organic tissue. Um, well we'll see,
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I'm gonna I'm gonna read the article. Let's let's let them have their
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say and see where they land, because maybe they'll blow our minds and be
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like, I don't know, not blaming men, but I'm not holding my
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breath. Maybe there will be a Chamelan twister. Yeah, it could.
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It could turn out to be an end like sham Chamelan thing. So,
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oh my god, I got it. I stuck it and you didn't.
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Oh my god. That's okay. Calendars, Yeah, we gotta mark this
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in the calendar. I was actually able to pronounce something that you did.
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You did it better than me. I was sort of struggling, all right.
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Um, there was a lot of either blaming women or saying that they're
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naives, stupid, and so forth, says the Yale professor from a red
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armchair and her home in New Haven, Connecticut. If that's not the image
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of an intellectual elitist, like, I don't know what it is. I
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can't believe that they were blaming women for their choices. I mean, I
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mean for their own choices, for the consequences of women's own choices. Yeah,
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this hurt their feelings as women make choices. But but there's no choice
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of woman makes is actually absent of any influence, like patriarchy. I wish
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I had an echo effect so I could just say it like that, but
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I guess instead I have this. Um, I couldn't hear that If you
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didn't, you didn't hear that. No, I didn't. It's supposed to
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feel I feel like left out. Oh no, I'm sorry. I'll figure
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this out later, but all right, okay. This argument was so compelling
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that it formed one of her initial hypotheses, Is it career and edguc ocasional
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aspiration that's driving to turn the turn to egg freezing? But when she started
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speaking to women, it became almost immediately clear that in fact it was something
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or someone, no one, someone, oh my god, foreshadowy everyone.
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Somebody wants to be a novelist. Else she probably sucks, yeah, driving,
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So it's someone else driving the globally expanding trend, which in less than
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a generation has gone from unheard of too in some circles almost ubiquitous. More
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than one hundred and fifty interviews later, her research the largest anthropological study to
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date into why women freeze their eggs. So you mean the largest to date
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of women freezing their eggs, not in general, right, it's yeah,
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of course it's the biggest one, well whatever study so far, because this
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isn't happening like this only started happening recently. But also it's not really,
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I don't think that this isn't a study. This is um what is that
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crap that they use that kind of narrative analysis. Oh yeah, sure,
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where they just interview people about their feelings on how beaver dams are misogyny and
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then everybody's like, oh my god, yes, the beaver dams they're they're
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oppressing women and uh and then they construct some goddamn woosel and then they cite
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it, and then we have a freaking new government, freaking goddamn department on
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how beaver damns oppressed women. Okay, all right, I'm not I'm not
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actually exaggerating that much, but let's keep going. No, I don't think
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you are. Okay. So the biggest driving factor for women in the US
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was a shortage of suitable educated men, a problem which she turns in her
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forthcoming book Motherhood on ice the mating Gap. Okay, can we can we
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just say that if men are not getting a suitable education, maybe it's not
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men's fault. Maybe it's the system that the academics set up to basically like
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no fuck men over. And also maybe education isn't worth that much anyway because
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it's so ship now, yeah, that's not the case. It's it's not
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it's not actually an issue that we commonly talk about here about how actually boys
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are discriminated against in schools. They're even discriminated against in terms of their marks,
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apparently statistically supporting the only statistics I've seen on this. Plus they have
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they are experiencing a variety of really negative factors in education, and they're failing
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at a rate that you know, that's not the issue. The issue is
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that these boys are choosing to do it. Now, if only the little
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Johnny would stop choosing to be medicated for attention deficit disorder, stop choosing to
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be discriminated against by his teacher when she grades the scores, you know,
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and and just start achieving um in a system in which he's actively discriminated against.
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If he, if only he could just jump those hurdles, you know,
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and just like get it done, and also do it while being told
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that his participation in society harms women, you know, if only he could
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just just you know, suck it all up. Apply some of that stoicism.
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Oh sorry, what do we call it now? With stoicism is toxic
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masculinity, Apply some of that respect for women and just you know, pull
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up his pull up his socks and just just hurdle those hurdles so that Susie,
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Susie old eggs can can produce a child. Damn. You know what's
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really freaking amazing as you read this article, it's so syllopsistic. Yeah,
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so these are the choices these women are making. Okay, these are the
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consequences of those choices. You know what. I'm not going to say that
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a woman who decides to have a career is doing something bad. Okay,
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I think I think we're doing okay On the population thing. We probably should
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up it a bit so that we don't all crater and our civilization collapses.
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But you know, civilizations have collapsed in the past, and civil and species
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have gone extinct. It's not like the universe is going to implode if humans
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aren't in it. But there's another thing, taking the consequences of a career
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woman's choices and somehow making men to blame for it because she is you know,
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she's achieved this level of a salary, she's achieved this level of status
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and the managerial hierarchy, she's achieved this level of education, and she refuses
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to accept anybody under it. But that's men's fault because they haven't been able
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to achieve on par with her in a system that is specifically designed to prevent
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it, yep or or higher, let's be honest, or higher than her,
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and a system that's persists specifically designing itself to prevent men achieving more than
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women. And to say that when men achieve more than women or even equal,
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considering the un bias, like equality is still you know, equality in
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favor of women or inequality in favor of men, women does not is not
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counted towards equality. So even if even if it's this, you know,
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even equality for men is still a form of inequality for women. But regardless
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all of that, that's men's problem. It's not their problem for having the
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wanting a particular life which is improbable, and also wanting to have men somehow
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be able to overcome these women's politics and their choices to be preferentially like like,
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okay, this is happening everywhere. Women are getting jobs, their men
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are overlooked for jobs. Men are overlooked for for scholarships, they're overlooked for
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assistance when it comes to education. I mean it's it's it's pervasive in the
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system that men are actively discriminated against, and society loves that because they want
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to give shit to women. They don't want to give it to men.
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And when they perceive that men are getting stuff that they don't deserve, then
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they take that stuff and give it to women. And that's the system we've
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constructed. So these men are supposed to jump all of those hurdles and land
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on equal to these women who are given constant legs up. And it's like
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black him, black and white. It has a paper trail, it's audited,
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it's it's got signed off by an accountant. That women are given these
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things. It's openly declared and celebrated. You don't think that these things have
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an effect on men's achievement. So it's one thing to want to be able
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to be a career woman. It's another thing to constantly advocate this idea that
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women are victims of a system, systemic persecution that favors men. Thus need
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systemic overt favoritism towards women, and then expect men to kurdle all of these
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these these drawbacks, these detriments, these handicaps to arrive on equality with you,
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which honestly, uh okay, they aren't even asking for equality. They
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think lowering themselves is asking for equality, is lowering themselves as another thing you're
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going to be in. Yeah, I bet, Sorry, I give you
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a spoiler. So shall we continue, all right? In Horn's research found
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that women freezing their eggs tended to be in their late thirties, successful,
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high earning professionals. No shit, that's what I figured. And I also
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because it's probably really fucking expensive to freeze your eggs in both the US and
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the UK, whereas not usually covered by the NHS, it is prohibitively expensive
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for most and primarily single. Well, they were one after another, women
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who had been successful in their career and at the same time had been looking
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for a partner, but they just couldn't find that reproductive partner. Coincidence.
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I think that this, she says, reflects on the growing gap between men
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and women going into higher education. In twenty nineteen, there were twenty eight
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percent more women than men in higher education of the US, and soon it
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is projected there will be two university educating women in America for every one university
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educated man. This says Inhorn, has left a stark imbalance when it comes
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to find an equal partner. So women are just better than men now,
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apparently, according to her, even though I noticed that, I just got
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to say this about education, Okay, it's not really about what you know
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anymore. It's about what degree you have. It's just accreditation and then you
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you it's not about what you know, it's about who you know, and
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you're using whatever tools you have. So these d IE initiatives, that's diversity
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inclusion equity. Well, yeah, that's how I say it, because I
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know it's supposed to be d I, but we all know why they change
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it. Um, those essentially lift women up and give them a better chance
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to find a job and men are left behind. And so apparently men what
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should they do? They have to step up because if they do, it's
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patriarchy. So like, what are they supposed to do? Are women just
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but if you're at a point they can't find a man that's they're equal,
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that's also patriot archy unless women want to be in a harem with like the
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one percent guy, you know. Okay, but the congratulations, like this
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is what feminism wanted in Horn. It wanted women to achieve equality and by
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cook or by crook, and this is the result. And this is incidentally,
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the un would consider two university women to every one man to be still
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be equality. By the way, Yeah, of course, because they don't
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look at anything that favors women as inequality. M hmm. Okay, So
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congratulations, you've you've created the situation by discriminating against men at every stage in
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education, which is statistically like, it's statistically the place it's it's statistically the
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truth that you have constructed this massive amount of male success, alleged success relative
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to men. Yep, this is not the patriarchy. Yep, no,
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of course not. And now and now we're coming up against this this strange
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factor that nobody really wants to talk about, which is that women want men
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who achieve more than them, who will give them a sense of protection and
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provision. That's what women want, and they won't pair with men who don't
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provide it. And yet, if you try to make men and women equal,
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how are men going to provide that for women? Okay? Now,
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how if you enforce equality through all of these measures to hamstring men and to
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lift women up, how are men going to provide women with the greater status
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that they seek in a mate. Now most people are like, oh,
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the conundrate. Okay, well, well, women could to reduce their their
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expectations, but nobody even wants to acknowledge that this is what's driving it.
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Okay, all right, anyway, let's see as this educational gap is not
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limited to the US. There are growing educational gender disparities in Canada and Europe,
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particularly in the UK. The men as partners problem, says in Horn,
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has been a discourse in international reproductive health circles for some time, but
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is usually talked about in relation to poorer countries. It's talked about for men
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in the global South. Now we need to start talking about the men as
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partners problem for women in the global North. Many of the women in Horne
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spoke to said they wanted an egalitarian relationship, which often men finding someone with
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a similar level of education or higher. Let's be real. But among those
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who did not object to partnering with somebody less educated still proved to be a
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problem because the men were often intimidated by the success of the women. Some
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women resorted to toning down their educational achievements on their dating app profiles to avoid
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putting men off, while others hired professionals to help them with their profiles.
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Professional profile, you know what, that's I'm gonna I quit, I quit
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HBr I'm gonna do people's dating profiles now, I'm a professional profile generator.
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That's that's okay. A woman comes to you and she's like, okay,
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I first line of my profile, I'm a boss. Bit she's gonna break
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your balls. Ye, you just like it's just yep, that's what.
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I'm gonna make six fucking figures. I bet um so, but I mean
29:48
yeah, But but then again, Alison, if you did it, you'd
29:49
make even more, I'm sure, and you probably get more work. So
29:55
all right, I don't know if that's because I'm a woman or because I'm
29:59
a writer. Okay, so they did say here, No, it's because
30:03
you're a woman. They don't actually care about what you're actually capable of.
30:06
They care about your plumbing. Oh that makes me so, that makes me
30:10
feel so fucking good. Just let that respect when it's true, I respect
30:15
you as Oh what the fuck are you respecting? You don't know a damn
30:18
thing about respect. You don't you know if I'm deserving anything. You just
30:22
know I have tits and a couch. What are you respecting? Okay,
30:26
all right, my badge. Okay, so I've just wanted to go back
30:32
to another sentence. But among those who did not object to partnering with somebody,
30:37
let's educated, it's still proved to be a problem because the men were
30:41
often intimidated by the success of the women. Um, I don't think that's
30:45
it. I don't that's not a chief, that's not it. I think
30:48
that what it is is, uh, men realize that if they're not the
30:53
primary provider, this relationship is likely going to cave because they're because they know
31:00
what women are asking for and so like if they can't meet that standard,
31:04
they're not gonna bother. So it's it's not oh my god, a strong
31:08
woman, she's stronger than me. I'm so intimidated. That's not it.
31:11
Stop that's that's bullshit. Stop it, okay, stop that one. It
31:18
is is what it is is. I think men are seeing like they know
31:25
like what women want because they're always telling us right in terms of like what
31:27
they want in a man, and if the if the men don't have those
31:32
qualities, they're like, well, that's I guess I'm not good enough.
31:34
And that's just it. You know, those intermitable dating shows that have cropped
31:38
up have made it very clear what women want. They don't want equality.
31:45
They certainly don't want equality when it comes to height or muscle masked you know,
31:52
um or strength, you know, and probably they don't probably want equality
31:56
when it comes to the other factors too. And nobody's willing to just be
31:59
like, Okay, this is a thing. Yes, and maybe throughout all
32:02
of history society sort of arranged to get women's desire for that met It'd be
32:08
sort of like if throughout history society engendered women to appear desirable to men,
32:16
let's just I mean, let's just imagine society had to do that. Okay,
32:21
So society basically gives women the tools and the key to become desirable to
32:27
men, and men turned around and said, wow, society excludes us from
32:31
these tools and this process of women becoming desirable to men. That's that's that
32:37
is prejudice against us. And literally that's what this is. All of these
32:43
societies that we call patriarchal all have some similar features, and one of them
32:49
is the expectation that women that men use their greater resources and power and influence
32:54
to protect their women, and also that if men and don't do this,
33:00
then there is something wrong with them. If they don't have greater power and
33:05
resources to protect women with, then they are useless. And the irony irony
33:12
of ball of this is we still believe that in this society, but then
33:15
we turn around and blame men for it as some kind of patriarchal boondoggle.
33:24
Yeah, it's like, no, these are societies like if you look at
33:29
Okay, for example, even fifty sixty years ago, men doing things like
33:35
being in the test pilot program. The idea that men take these risks so
33:40
that society and women are part of society be advanced is what they expected from
33:46
men. They expected men to make those physical sacrifices for women. That's not
33:52
patriarchy when you expect men to sacrifice their power, their lives, and their
33:59
resources for women because you simply make it, make it so men actually have
34:04
those resources, which usually incidentally is because they work for them. So all
34:08
that society does is give them the freedoms either legal or social, to go
34:13
out get themselves killed or become back a millionaire and then give those resources to
34:17
women Like this is not paid. This is not. This is not feminism's
34:22
patriarchy, which is a society for the benefit of men at the expensive women,
34:25
And this isn't. Like this whole article isn't. And the other thing
34:30
is, like, I have extreme skepticism about this. Are they honestly saying
34:35
that these men were intimidated or are they assuming that they are assuming that.
34:40
Of course they're assuming that a man doesn't have the courage to ask her out.
34:46
It's because they're intimidated by her girl bossing powers. So yeah, that's
34:52
I mean, that's what I think. I'm sure they didn't actually interview men
34:57
and ask them because unless they they did some kind of like um you know,
35:01
like leading questions to like get them to say, oh, yeah,
35:07
it's because I'm intimidated. Yeah, I guess like is that hot? Yeah?
35:09
Yeah, totally, I'm intimidated by her. Am I attractive? Now?
35:15
Of course not. You're smarter than I and I can't go out with
35:17
you? Okay, Well yeah, well I was going to read that next,
35:21
because I haven't read that yet. Sometimes men would joke or insult them
35:23
about their jobs or say you're smarter than I am, I can't go out
35:28
with you. I mean just really blatant kinds of misogyny and discrimination, she
35:34
says. So saying that you're not good enough for a woman is misogyny towards
35:39
women. Yes, apparently. I mean it's not a problem of Okay,
35:47
first of all, you're right, Yeah, it's it's just mismatched or what.
35:53
Well, what I was going to say is that the statement doesn't actually
35:58
support then inclusion, and it really says a lot about the people who are
36:02
talking about this. Yeah. First of all, sometimes joke or insult them
36:07
about their jobs. Yeah, I know how men and you know, young
36:10
men joke. I've seen, I've observed it in its wild state, you
36:17
know, like sometimes they're just joking. Sometimes they're just joking, joking,
36:23
joking, joking. No idea what that means. I don't want to speculate.
36:30
I don't know. Come on, man, you know, maybe they're
36:31
just ribbing you or being flirtatious. Maybe. Okay, women, God,
36:42
yeah, that's right. Patriarchy face the fact that these women are always making
36:50
it men's fault. Why would anyone, Why would any man want that in
36:53
his life? Why would any gender, any any any flavor of the gender
37:00
buffet want that in their life? A person who thinks their gender is to
37:04
blame and it's illegitimate, or that it's toxic. Okay, yeah, I'm
37:10
talking about the tiger type, the tiger stripe gender. Why would they want
37:15
somebody who hates tiger stripe as a partner or blames tiger stripe or says the
37:21
tiger stripe is disgusting, a toxic, like, why would they invite that
37:24
into their life? Why should men invite that into their life? Okay,
37:29
yeah, I know. I got some super chats and I got a rumble
37:35
rant, so I'll read the rumble rant. First, Nova Fan twenty one
37:38
gives us a dollar and says that article is literally the Simpsons meme. Am
37:42
I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong. Yeah,
37:46
that's true. Thank you, come again. And then we got Jarrett
37:53
Jarrett Dotio, Jarette Joe TiO hopefully I didn't butcher that, who gives us
38:00
ten dollars, thank you so much and says, these same women are making
38:05
thirty k with degrees. With degrees, there are no position to be demanding
38:08
anything. They feel entitled to treating men like pedestrian retirement plans. But there
38:14
are men that sent for them though, and I think it could be contributing
38:17
to their overinflated sense of self self. Well, there's there's guys who who
38:23
are saying, oh, yeah, it is other men's problem, which incidentally,
38:27
like men don't oh like they talk about insults, being entitled, like
38:30
men don't oh, these women a relationship or attraction, Like if you want
38:36
to get a man, you have to get a man, like you have
38:42
to actually do the things. Yeah that men like another thing too, just
38:47
says an aside. Even though I frankly think that artificial intelligence is a terrible
38:53
idea at this stage, it's it's coming anyway, and I think a lot
39:00
of comfy desk jobs are going to be lost. So if you're a man
39:04
and you're doing the trades, well, robots can't replace you yet, so
39:07
maybe, um, maybe that's where you should be because I think that those
39:12
comfy desk jobs that I was talking about are mostly, like you know,
39:15
populated with women, and so women are going to lose their jobs. Sadly,
39:20
I'm sure they'll blame patriarchy for robots, but you know, okay,
39:25
so just a pro tip, guys, if a woman and most of these
39:34
women, that's the other thing, these educated women. They usually come with
39:37
this kind of baggage. They talk about misogyny because you have a choice that
39:42
you have a preference in in your meeting partners, and they refer to that
39:45
as misogyny. They deserve to be alone. In fact, they should not
39:51
have children. They should not There shouldn't be no helpless life that is beholden
39:58
to this into fact, they shouldn't have cats. Okay, this individual,
40:04
I wouldn't want them to have pets, not even goldfish. She can have
40:07
friends of her own ilk, but nothing else in her life, yep,
40:12
nothing that relies on her, Nothing that's vulnerable to her because she is an
40:15
asshole and has no idea, because she's surrounded by people who will take her
40:22
asshole ishness and reframe it as being a boss bitch. No, you're just
40:27
an asshole, and I know because I am one. There's just not to
40:31
this degree. I think. All right, So no, Nova Fan gives
40:37
us another dollar and says she refuses to marry down and gets mad at men
40:43
for not living up to her unreasonable standards and gets jealous of mature women settling
40:46
down. Well, you know, I mean, like good women will hopefully
40:52
find good men. But women like this. Will you know they will regret
40:57
this before the end. Well, you know what, I don't even care
41:00
if they don't. Obviously they regret this now because this is saturated with a
41:05
sense of insecurity and bitterness and blame and scapegoating. So nobody does this,
41:10
Like I have no problem with a career woman who's just oh, okay,
41:14
that's how the life. That's how I'm what the chips fell. I'm happy
41:16
with my life. Yeah, that's the trade off. You know, I'd
41:21
be happy just to have a companion whatever, or a career woman who is
41:23
like, you know, I could just get a house husband, you know,
41:28
somebody who literally arranged her life in the way that she wanted, took
41:31
responsibility for it, and didn't complain about it. No problem with that.
41:36
That's not this. This is being upset with your choices and then choosing to
41:43
project your upset your insecurity on it people who had absolutely nothing to do with
41:47
it, because they refuse to be around a person who does that. Okay,
41:54
yep. Just because you want a kid doesn't mean you're going to be
42:00
a parent. Yep, yep, okay, okay, thank you for these
42:07
rumble rand Noba fan. And then I got one more super chat from Senior
42:13
Stakes for two dollars and he says men can be knighted or buy land in
42:16
Scotland. Allison, I don't know. I heard that was a scam that
42:22
established titles. Thing heard it was a scam, so I wouldn't. I
42:25
wouldn't buy land in Scotland. Besides, Scotland's fucked anyways. They got they
42:30
got their own problems, big problem, okay, anyway. Um, while
42:37
the women may have been socialized to believe they could have a career, a
42:39
family, and an equal relationship, she found that men had not necessarily been
42:45
raised the same way. No fucking shit, partnership was not high on the
42:51
priorities of the men, reluctant to commit and unready for fatherhood who the women
42:54
in her study were coming across. Oh, let me, let me interpret
42:59
that they don't want any fathers with these women. Yeah, okay. And
43:05
also consider that when a man marries, he has to face the fact that
43:10
our society has replaced fault divorce with men at fault divorce. What that means
43:17
is when when they're used to be fault divorce, one party would be considered
43:22
to blame and they'd have to pay out basically. Okay, now, it's
43:25
just basically the automatically assume the man is at fault so his obligations to her
43:30
remain. Plus he has to also shell out half of his life and lose
43:36
access to his kids, you know, and for a partner. Right now,
43:40
all of these women who are who are expressing this this sentiment, do
43:45
not do not sign a legal agreement with these women, certainly not one that
43:52
basically is so slanted towards women it's insane. But why the hell would you
44:00
want to sign a legal agreement with any of these women? Why what hell
44:04
would you want to sign a legal agreement or share your life with somebody who's
44:07
gonna blame you because of your sex, ye like, And then these women
44:12
are turning around, No, you know, maybe not every woman in this
44:16
study is like that, but it sounds like quite a few are. If
44:22
they're blaming misogyny rather their own personal choices in their life, or choosing to
44:29
blame men for why men don't want to date them, rather than saying,
44:31
well, maybe I don't measure up to the standards of the men who who
44:36
are interested in you know, like I said, this is not this doesn't
44:40
seem to be just women who are career, women who are happy with their
44:43
path. It is a bunch of women who are bitter and blaming the choices
44:46
their own the consequences of their own choices on other people, which is one
44:51
of the behaviors that I hate the most. Okay, let's keep going,
44:53
all right. He Then there were no Then there were those who simply didn't
45:02
want to. I learned the term the peter Pans. You know, the
45:07
men who will never grow up. They may be educated men and who have
45:10
money and so forth, but they want to play around and have a lot
45:13
of fun and may not partner at all, or may not partner well into
45:16
their forties and fifties. She says, well again, I mean, so
45:25
if men pursue women and they're not good enough, then they are misogynistic.
45:31
If they recognize they're not good enough, they're misogynistic. And if they just
45:35
avoid women and just do their own thing, that's also misogynistic. It's like
45:39
all of the things. Oh my god, they know something we don't.
45:44
They live by a woman. What a woman? So the peter Pans,
45:52
Okay, go ahead, But so the peter Pans who are just siding that
46:00
they want career and not family. Is that an okay decision for a woman,
46:07
because I'm pretty sure you would agree that that's an okay decision for a
46:10
woman. Would you shame her? Would you? Would you call her a
46:15
barbie, like a child, a childish creature that doesn't want to grow up.
46:22
If she's just like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna be a career
46:24
woman. Now, I don't know what you would call her? That is?
46:28
That is that childish for a woman to just be like, yeah,
46:30
I'm just gonna focus on my career, enjoy maybe traveling, have friends.
46:35
But that kind of thing is that selfish? Yep? So you're saying that
46:39
not when women do it, men don't have a choice, that women women
46:45
shouldn't have a choice, that women one percent should be able to choose.
46:51
Really, okay, just a second, very wild? What's up? Oh?
46:55
Do you want to get your tea? No, I've already got my
46:59
tea. Okay, okay, all right? Shall I continue? Yes?
47:05
All right? On a personal level. Oh wait, the Peter pans right,
47:12
I read that they may be educated with Yeah they okay, on a
47:15
personal level. In Hoorn, who is a mother of two but would have
47:17
opted for egg freezing after getting divorced in her thirties had it been available,
47:22
said, the lack of progress in men's attitudes since then is tragic. Literally
47:29
literally, this is the lack of progress in men's attitudes is a lack of
47:35
progress in completely conforming themselves to women, every single one of them. So
47:39
we can't even allow that men are individuals with their own wants, because we
47:44
know they can't be Peter Pans. They can't decide that they just want to
47:46
focus on their career and having fun with their friends and traveling, even though
47:51
women can do that, you know, And they can't recognize that women are
47:54
above their station. So maybe a relationship won't work because makes the misogynists.
48:01
But it's like every single thing that men could possibly how about how about men
48:07
who are like, you know, i'd wanna I want a top earning spouse
48:10
and I'm gonna stay at home and take care of the kids. They aren't
48:13
mentioned. Maybe that's acceptable. But here's the other thing. She got divorced
48:21
in her thirties, So basically we're listening to a woman who most likely destroyed
48:27
a man's life. Yeah, yeah, we're taking advice I'm a failed wife.
48:34
Yeah, we're. But Genghis Khan runs into into like a sheep herder's
48:38
village and murders everyone and rapes everyone and kills all the sheep and steals the
48:44
children and then comes out and she's like, you know, those those those
48:47
those villagers really had a bad attitude. But why would they be blaming me
48:54
because they saw what you did in Horn? Like, this generation of young
49:00
men is very aware of what divorce does to men. Okay, and if
49:07
if, if you're if you're really concerned about oh, men should be feel
49:09
happy to give half of their stuff to a woman. How about losing contact
49:14
with their children, which is probably the most devastating thing that happens to men.
49:19
Yep. Okay, that is brutalizing them. And you are expecting men
49:24
because you judge men by women what women want, but you never look at
49:30
the situation for men. What they're expected to lay on the line. They're
49:35
expected to lay the life that they've built up. If they have children,
49:39
they're expected to walk away from them should she want them to. Okay,
49:45
they're not expected they're expected to continue to provide in terms of alimony and child
49:50
support for your lifestyle, like it is a huge commitment for men. Marriage
49:55
is a commitment for men, it's not for women. It's basically like a
50:00
slightly step beyond dating. Yep, yeah, it's not even it's like dating,
50:07
except you've got legal contract with a person you're dating for women, So
50:12
you're you have like men have to jump off a cliff, women have to
50:15
jump in a kiddie pool. And you're you're saying, oh, well,
50:20
that's it's men don't want to do that, Well, how were mature?
50:22
Bullshit? Look at the level of commitment expected and sacrifice expected between men and
50:30
women. Of course, men are just on the level of that a loan
50:32
are going to balk. But then they have to choose from a crowd of
50:37
women that despise them, that that blame them for their desires, that blame
50:45
the world on their gender, and have contempt for their masculinity. Yep,
50:51
Like, this is ridiculous. And the fact that men are like no,
50:54
no good, that means they're mature. That means they're thinking with something other
51:00
than their dicks. You have literally constructed a saren a scenario in which the
51:07
only men who will put their fucking head on your chopping block are monds.
51:15
Yep. And the thing is that you are self selecting yourself out of any
51:21
man who even would consider it with your behavior. If you believe shit like
51:27
this, if you believe that fulfilling even the most basic level of what your
51:31
partner needs in a partner, is some kind of horrible imposition on you,
51:36
well then you don't want a relationship. You want a robot. Yep.
51:42
Oh, well it's probably maybe this is how it's supposed to be. Maybe
51:46
this is nature finding a way to reduce the human population by taking I guess
51:54
you could say, cutting back on the I don't know, the eedless parts,
52:00
the I don't know. I mean it just that's that's me trying to
52:05
be optimistic because I think that a lot of these women are gonna die alone.
52:10
Um. Okay, a lot of people I went to graduate school with
52:15
didn't end up partnering, or they partnered in marriages that weren't really very happy,
52:21
she says. And what surprised me thirty years on is seeing the same
52:23
kinds of partnership problems in this generation of women and trying to figure out what's
52:28
gone wrong. Well, okay, have you tried talking to women that like
52:34
I don't know, didn't go to graduate school. Well, I went to
52:37
graduate school, but not in in her What was her uh? What was
52:43
her school? No? Uh? What was her uh? Er, oh,
52:52
sociology or something anthropology? Well it's anthropology. That's actually not too ridiculous.
52:58
However, I'm guessing that she has been saturated in feminism. Important,
53:01
you aren't controlling for all of your variables, all right. The women who
53:07
get through these graduate programs are going to be exposed to a particular philosophy of
53:13
life. Is it that much of a surprise they end up unpartnered when their
53:19
philosophy it generates an enormous chip on their shoulder towards men who presumably they'd be
53:23
partnering with. Okay, is it that unlikely that maybe the problem is the
53:31
how? Don't you want to call it a philosophy? The conjecture, the
53:35
conjecture that they believe in that they're more likely to have been inoculated in as
53:39
a process of being educated, beliefs about how society is structured and how men
53:45
exist to exploit them, And maybe that might be causing some problems in their
53:52
ability to form relationships with men and have happy relationships with them. Because I
53:57
see that you are not controlling for that very yep. Okay, let's keep
54:05
going, all right, So yeah, Peter pans right, m right.
54:14
So the answer in Horne's research found falls into two categories. One is the
54:20
mating gap and the other is what she describes as reproductive weighthood, the state
54:24
women are forced into by a lack of suitable male partners. Of the one
54:30
hundred and fifty women she interviewed, thirty six froze their eggs for medical reasons,
54:34
and the rest were healthy women who did so out of choice. All
54:37
of the women who froze their eggs electively were cis gender, three of the
54:42
women were bisexual, and one hundred and eleven were heterosexual. While she did
54:47
not interview men for her study and says that she does not wish to portray
54:51
them all as callous, there were many of what well, how kind of
54:58
her to allow that some and rise above their masculinity and their gender identity and
55:01
actually become human beings. Yeah, you know, I mean, considering how
55:06
much of a detriment they're under with their toxicity. Yep, there are many
55:15
positive men in the lives of the women she interviewed. She says, almost
55:19
invariably, the women's stories of egg freezing were about men. So the book
55:23
is the views of men through women's eyes. No shit, her finding's home
55:30
in home in on the I think means to say hone in her findings hone
55:36
in on the decline of men, which is a growing cause of alarm in
55:39
the US, with books on the subject by Professor Scott Galloway, author of
55:44
a Drift, and John Burger's Data Nomics how dating became a lopsided numbers game.
55:47
But in Hoorn says, this is also having a deleterious effect on women's
55:52
lives. You know that none of these people that are writing about this shit,
55:55
Like, none of these academics are going to solve this problem because they
56:00
don't even know what the situation for men is. They're just going off of
56:05
what women think about the situation, or they're just pullye shit out of their
56:07
own ass. They're not even like getting the information from the women. Yeah.
56:13
And also, um, this is what you wanted, Yeah you want
56:19
to Yeah, you wanted men to decline. So because apparently, in your
56:25
conjecture, they had stolen all of the achievement from women. So now women
56:31
are getting the achievement that they always wanted and was taken from them by men.
56:37
And so congratulations, men are in decline. That's what you wanted,
56:42
right, don't complain about it now, that's what you wanted. Oh this
56:46
is really freaking funny because when men complain about their decline, they're of course
56:50
complaining about their loss of privilege. But when women complain about the decline in
56:53
men, uh, that's okay that they no longer have men to partner with
57:02
because men have declined. Suddenly, that's um, somehow patriarchy. But you
57:10
know, so men can't complain about exactly the same thing that women are complaining
57:14
about, and for exactly the same reason, because men are like, yeah,
57:17
well there's been a decline in men. We're no longer attracted to women.
57:22
And so woman, it's like while there's de flying and men were no
57:25
longer attracted to them. Oh oh wow, men are to blame. Yep,
57:32
why is this so stupid? All right? All right, moving on
57:44
the rise up, well, yeah, declaimed the rise of egg freezing,
57:47
granting new freedoms to women who can't afford to has also played out amid devastating
57:52
constraints on abortion in the US after the Supreme Court ruling or overturning of Roe
57:57
v. Wade. That was just bad law and it had to go.
58:00
And it's not about women at all. It's just about like, what's good
58:05
law? What are these women? What are these women freezing their eggs for?
58:07
Yeah, they are they freezing their eggs. They can abort them later,
58:10
like is it? But what are they freezing them for in the first
58:15
place? Like do you think you're freezing your eggs and you'r late thirties and
58:21
you're like, oh, yeah, eventually a man will come Um, yeah,
58:24
No, that's not gonna happen. They're just throwing it in there to
58:28
add a little bit more. It's like it's like adding a bunch of like
58:31
Frank's hot sauce is something that's already spicy. They're just adding more. That's
58:36
all I mean. The Roby Wade thing has nothing to do with with with
58:39
women freezing their eggs. There's no relationship. There's no relationship. Well,
58:45
oh, I'm hoping that it'll get turned back over again so I can abort
58:49
my my frozen eggs. No, no, I don't get what they're doing.
58:54
And here's the other things. So they're freezing their eggs for what Yeah,
58:59
okay, when a good comes along. Yeah, but that's never going
59:01
to happen. They think they can't attract one in their thirties. Yeah,
59:06
I'm not going to attract their forties and fifties as they get worse. You
59:10
know, I don't even mean physically, I mean this chip on their Yeah,
59:15
the attitude is going to get worse. The attitude is gonna get worse.
59:19
Now, Okay, so they haven't attracted a man now, I guess
59:22
they're they're thinking they're going to attract a man. Well, but here's the
59:25
other thing. Let's say they have a child in their fifties, when I
59:29
guess they're financially capable of it. They're still going to raise the kid without
59:32
any a resources from a man. So why not just in your thirties,
59:37
go find yourself a fucking plumber, you know, forget the graduate school,
59:43
forget the six foot two, Go find yourself a five foot five plumber and
59:46
have a child with him. Then, okay, and then you will be
59:51
better off than freezing your fucking eggs and waiting till you're fifty and having the
59:55
proparts anticipation of no one like, why can't you do something sensible? Well,
1:00:07
yeah, this is the great delusion. What do you think is going
1:00:09
to happen when you're fifty? When you hit forty or fifty, suddenly your
1:00:14
your night in shining armors are gonna sweep off for feet and bring you to
1:00:19
his chalet and show you his fucking paste up, which is like seven figures.
1:00:24
It's not gonna happen. It's one fucking fifty percent not going to happen
1:00:30
for you. So there's no point even freezing your eggs in the first place.
1:00:34
When you feel the inclination to freeze your eggs, go drop your expectations.
1:00:40
Actually look for a companion, okay, Like they constantly talk about how
1:00:46
oh I want a companion. Okay, then be companion it. Don't look
1:00:50
for someone who's going to improve your financial bottom line more than you are going
1:00:54
to improve theirs, okay. Look for somebody who's gonna part learn with you,
1:01:00
who's going to have your back, who's going to care about you when
1:01:02
you're feeling like shit. Okay, look for that, and look for that,
1:01:08
not among your fellow lunatics in the graduate studies postgraduate studies, look for
1:01:15
that among people who are sensible and for the of fucking God, kick feminism
1:01:22
to the curb. There has never been a society in which men constructed it
1:01:27
to exploit women or to benefit themselves at the expense of women. Men have
1:01:31
always made the sacrifice as necessary for a society to exist. In every single
1:01:37
society that I've seen, there's none. There's none it does that doesn't exist.
1:01:42
And in fact, the very fact that this entire article is constructed entirely
1:01:46
around women's expectations of men, with no consideration of men's point of view in
1:01:52
those expectations whatsoever, is proof of that fact, of that instinct that people
1:02:00
want men to provide and protect for women, period. And that has been
1:02:05
the case since the first baboon gave the first female baboon a dead rat.
1:02:12
Okay, yep, that has been the way we do. That is what
1:02:15
will humans do. And in fact, like I said, it just would
1:02:20
boggles my mind. They their fish swimming in the water of the expect of
1:02:24
the entitlement that men fix their problems. Ah okay. Oh by the way,
1:02:35
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all right, we'll send one somebody, Yeah, somebody. Okay,
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so we're talking about freezing eggs. Um Yeah, over time in Horn for
1:04:00
egg freezing for career planning will increase among women in their mid to late twenties,
1:04:03
but that partnership problems will remain a key driver. But you know it's
1:04:09
funny. Nobody's talking about any potential issues that might arise from you freezing your
1:04:14
eggs like that there could be problems with your fetus or your baby, or
1:04:18
there could be other issues like what's wrong with doing it the old fashioned way?
1:04:24
You know what? You know what? It makes me think of the
1:04:26
movie Demolition Man when um Stallone's character John Spartan and I forget the character's name,
1:04:34
but Sandra Bullock and she's Sondra Bullocks, like I would like to have
1:04:38
sex and he's like right right now with me and she's like yes and he's
1:04:43
like, oh yeah. And then they but then they go into her room
1:04:46
and they get these towels out, and you think that you know, something's
1:04:50
gonna happen, but they put on these virtual reality headset things that allow them
1:04:56
to simulate because like exchanging bodily Louis is too risky and disgusting, and this
1:05:02
is like the world that's being made. It's where it's like, you know,
1:05:05
and he even says, you know, hey, why don't we do
1:05:09
this old version way? You know? And like it this reminds me of
1:05:13
that. It's like that, like, what the hell is wrong with you?
1:05:17
Why are you treating the the the I guess the act of potentially creating
1:05:24
new life as something so clinical, like it's just it. This woman,
1:05:31
her skin is probably like like slimy and cold to the touch, like some
1:05:38
kind of reptile. It's just it's so messy. Reptiles aren't slimy. They're
1:05:43
they're they're they're actually smooth. Well they're smooth and like kind of shiny.
1:05:46
Maybe I'm thinking about frogs. Yeah, yeah, just okay, But we'll
1:05:54
consider how they can they think about their relationships because I've read umo from women
1:06:00
who who talk about shit like this and that it is the most bizarre combination
1:06:09
of helpless, insecure, and entitled. They believe they are owed a man
1:06:15
who is going to enter their lives and fix them, but get nothing in
1:06:18
return. Yeah, it's like, well, why don't you just fix yourself
1:06:24
or why don't you work on yourself? You know, um, why don't
1:06:28
you become what you want? In a partner but to But and then when
1:06:32
you do that, why don't you genuinely seek a companion that's what you want
1:06:39
now, instead of like becoming you know, um, the CFO and then
1:06:44
demanding that you have a president, why don't you become the CFO and then
1:06:48
use your your great wealth to go find yourself a man that you that that
1:06:56
you can be companions with because you don't need him for money. Let's know
1:07:00
what's happening, is it? And then they turn around and they blame men
1:07:05
because men are responding to the fact that women don't want to settle. That's
1:07:11
what they call it settling. They don't want to settle for a man who
1:07:14
isn't the six sexes. However many sixes there are. Okay, it's true.
1:07:19
Uh. And by the way, I remember the name of the character
1:07:21
that Shandra Bullet played. It was Officer Huxley, named after Aldus Huxley,
1:07:28
I think, right, the guy who wrote Brave New World. So that
1:07:31
was that was a purposeful reference. Good news everyone, Um, Okay,
1:07:38
So the decision to oh, I got a super chat Jarrett Jarrett Dotio gives
1:07:46
us five dollars and says, notice, men aren't collectively demanding their own personal
1:07:51
supermodels, because that's ludicrous. Yeah, I mean, despite what feminists will
1:07:56
try to have you believe about what men want um that, well they don't
1:08:00
they Yeah, that's just not not even like the people they could they claim
1:08:04
are the most entitled the in cells there, they don't want supermodels either,
1:08:10
you know. And even if they tell you that that, you know that
1:08:13
they think that they should have that. The fact is if any woman that
1:08:17
seems decent and is like sort of caring um and nurturing towards them will probably
1:08:24
become attractive to them. So but of course, like there, it's always
1:08:28
projection. It's always projection, Okay. The decision of freeze is fraught with
1:08:33
difficulties, not least the cost. In January, The Observer reported on the
1:08:38
UK's fertility regulators called for an urgent update to the law around egg freezing as
1:08:44
rapidly growing numbers of women decided to go through the invasive procedure, often without
1:08:47
being warned of the full financial, emotional and physical costs. Oh oh oh,
1:08:54
so not doing it the old fashioned way is could could result in some
1:08:58
kind of problems. Don't have sex because you will get pregnant and die,
1:09:03
don't have sex in the missionary position, don't have sex standing up, just
1:09:09
don't promise. Okay, So this is basically don't do anything. Yeah,
1:09:14
that's basically what he's saying. Okay, the next pair, but they're not
1:09:19
going to tell us. Well, I mean, like, I don't see
1:09:21
what the side effects are, but I knew that there were because science seems
1:09:26
to think that it's capable of much more than it actually is. Clinics experts
1:09:30
claimed we're adopting aggressive marketing tactics, knowingly heaping on extra costs to a treatment
1:09:35
that can cost tens of thousands of pounds, and not taking enough care of
1:09:40
patients physical and mental well being. The government has since launched launched a consultation,
1:09:45
which closed earlier this month, and the Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority expects
1:09:50
to submit its final recommendations this summer. In her book, Inhorn writes that
1:09:56
closing the gap between the genders will be a quote critical policy challenge in the
1:10:00
decades ahead end quote. But until society fixes men, egg freezing will remain
1:10:05
the best reproductive option for single women in their thirties. Fixes men fixes men,
1:10:16
so, in other words, gets men to the point where they're willing
1:10:21
to commit to women and without okay, could you imagine until society fixes women?
1:10:32
This is christ yep. And again this is just rests on a foundation
1:10:39
that they absolutely deny exists, which is the general belief in the general habit
1:10:43
of most people that men exist to provide and protect for women. So we
1:10:47
can talk without any any need to even justify it. We can talk with
1:10:54
this level of entitlement in the Guardian about men that they need to be fixed.
1:11:00
Next what okay, well, what do men need a system that that
1:11:04
helps them through school, helps them achieve financially? I thought that was patriarchy?
1:11:11
Oh my god, it's the cycle, isn't it, smashes. Patriarchy
1:11:16
is not supposed to make sense. And they're like, no, we need
1:11:21
to have the patriarchy back. Yep, oh love, and they're just they're
1:11:27
altering. The thing is that they got rid of patriarchy, which was the
1:11:36
system that enabled men to achieve, supposedly enabled men to achieve more than women,
1:11:43
right, and now they're saying, well, we got to get that
1:11:45
back because the men don't don't you know, they don't make us tingle.
1:11:49
That's like, yeah, do you realize that's probably where patriarchy started in the
1:11:58
first place, because that men were like, yeah, we want to be
1:12:00
attractive to women, so we're going to pursue helping each other achieve because men
1:12:04
are pretty good at cooperating, and then we're going to develop the social status
1:12:08
in order to become attractive to women. But you know, women won't be
1:12:14
working in these areas because you know, we want to keep this to men
1:12:18
so that they can develop the attractiveness necessary to attract women and we can continue
1:12:24
to exist as a society. Maybe that's why women were excluded, not to
1:12:30
any great degree. I mean, a determined women could still usually get into
1:12:32
those spaces, but like, maybe it was because men go off and they
1:12:39
build something to make themselves attractive to women, and they achieve in that thing,
1:12:43
and because they achieve, they become attractive to the women. And then
1:12:45
feminism comes along and says, well, why did you exclude us from those
1:12:50
those activities that make you attractive to us? We want full access to it.
1:12:55
And then they get full access to it, and then they're like,
1:12:57
you're no longer attractive to us. Men, How why did you do this
1:13:00
to us? Yep? Yep? I swear to god, this is this,
1:13:06
This is the actual cycle of civilizations? All right? It is okay,
1:13:12
we're almost done home stretched. So the government has since launched a consultation
1:13:18
which closed earlier this month, and the Human Fertilization that Embryology Authority expects to
1:13:24
submit its final recommendations this summer. They're about to like make make it policy
1:13:30
or mandatory for men to for high quality men, not regular men, because
1:13:35
regular men aren't good enough to basically like reproduce with women. Are they going
1:13:42
to mandate this anyway anyway? Um? So, let's see. But that's
1:13:48
still is that going to even be problem? Like, well, they're they're
1:13:51
they're making they're talking about recommendations. I don't know what people who boy essentially
1:13:58
just freeze women's eggs are gonna like be able to do. But they are
1:14:00
saying that they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna do some sort of oversight of
1:14:05
this industry that apparently this crisis. What a surprise, What a surprise,
1:14:12
It oppresses women. This industry harms women, The egg freezing industry harms women.
1:14:18
Was that you know what? This this is actually a little bit of
1:14:21
a twist. I thought everything would end up landing on men, but apparently
1:14:25
also it lands on the people who are freezing the eggs for these women,
1:14:29
because probably also women are victims. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
1:14:34
that's probably true. Yeah, I think so. Um, we'll see.
1:14:40
I mean, why would women have to do that job? Okay. In
1:14:45
her book, in Hoorn writes that closing the gap between the genders will be
1:14:48
a critical policy challenge in the decades ahead. But until society fixes men put
1:14:55
in quotes, fixes men, egg freezing will remain the best reproductive option for
1:15:00
single women in their thirties or you know, fucking loneliness. But that might
1:15:06
just be your destingn what but I keep going. But in the meantime,
1:15:14
she says, we should focus on celebrating women's successes. Women around the world
1:15:17
are already doing amazing things in higher educations, she adds, but unfortunately the
1:15:21
downside of that is some men are not doing well now and women are suffering
1:15:26
for that. Men are not doing well, women most affected, and there
1:15:30
are no comments, Oh my god, I did Okay, all right,
1:15:41
you know what, I can't even say anything to that. I think that
1:15:43
that says it, all right there, yep, all right, unbelievable.
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