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- 0:00Speaker 1: I want you to picture something for a second, just
- 0:02an incredibly mundane, everyday object. Imagine a discarded plastic smoothie
- 0:09strawkay Like, It's sitting at the bottom of a public
- 0:11trash can right outside a cafe. It's covered in whatever
- 0:14sticky fruit residue is left over. It's mixed in with
- 0:17crumpled you know, coffee stained naptins, maybe some old receipts.
- 0:21Speaker 2: Right. Literally just garbage, literally garbage.
- 0:23Speaker 1: But imagine that this specific piece of garbage, this single
- 0:28cylinder of cheap plastic, actually holds the power to rewrite
- 0:32forty years of history.
- 0:33Speaker 3: Oh wow.
- 0:34Speaker 1: Yeah, Imagine that the invisible biological material left on that
- 0:39discarden straw has the capacity to undo massive legal injustices,
- 0:43to free innocent people from the shadow of a horrific crime,
- 0:46and finally solve this haunting mystery that terrified an entire community.
- 0:50Speaker 3: It honestly sounds like the plot of a science fiction movie.
- 0:52Speaker 1: It totally does, like detectives reading the past through a
- 0:55microscopes or something. But it is actually the reality of
- 0:58the criminal justice system. We're looking at today. The case
- 1:01files we've been reviewing for this deep dive cover a
- 1:04staggering forty year span, starting with the tragic murder of
- 1:08a teenager named Teresa Fusco.
- 1:10Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's such a heavy, sprawling case, it is.
- 1:14Speaker 1: But our mission for this deep dive isn't just to
- 1:17recount the timeline of a true crime story. We're going
- 1:19to use this specific case to track the evolution of
- 1:23the American justice system.
- 1:24Speaker 3: Itself, which is fascinating.
- 1:26Speaker 1: Right. We're looking at the terrifying pitfalls of human error,
- 1:29the devastating consequences of what we now call junk science,
- 1:33and we're juxtaposing all of that against the relentless correcting
- 1:37power of modern forensic technology. So, uh, okay, let's untack this.
- 1:41Speaker 3: It's an incredibly powerful framing, I mean, because this single
- 1:45case truly acts as a time chepat rancapsule.
- 1:48Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 1:48Speaker 3: Yeah, for forensic science and legal psychology. When you look
- 1:52at the initial investigation from nineteen eighty four and then
- 1:55you look at the breakthroughs in twenty twenty four and
- 1:57twenty twenty five, you're essentially looking at two entirely different
- 2:01universes of criminal justice.
- 2:02Speaker 1: It really forces us to question how certainty is manufactured
- 2:06in the courtroom, doesn't it?
- 2:07Speaker 3: Exactly We're going to see how the very definition of
- 2:10scientific proof has crastically shifted. What was considered absolute, undeniable
- 2:16scientific fact by judges and juries in the mid nineteen
- 2:19eighties is now in a lot of cases recognized as
- 2:23entirely subjective.
- 2:24Speaker 1: Flawed, even dangerous, very dangerous.
- 2:27Speaker 3: And conversely, what we can do today with a microscopic
- 2:31cellular sample recovered from a trash can. I mean that
- 2:33would have looked like pure sorcery to a homicide detective
- 2:36in nineteen eighty four.
- 2:37Speaker 1: I mean imagine stepping into a time machine and trying
- 2:40to explain to a nineteen eighties detective that you're going
- 2:42to catch a killer by plugging their victims DNA into
- 2:45a computer database of family trees built by people trying
- 2:47to find their distant cousins.
- 2:49Speaker 3: They would laugh you out of the crease anct.
- 2:50Speaker 1: Literally laugh you right out the door. But to understand
- 2:54the science and to really grasp the systemic failures that
- 2:57allowed innocent men to lose decades of their lives, we
- 3:00have to start with the human element.
- 3:02Speaker 3: We do.
- 3:02Speaker 1: We have to understand the victim, the specific era, and
- 3:06this terrifying localized panic that residents called the Linn Brook Triangle.
- 3:11So we're going back to November of nineteen eighty four. Okay,
- 3:14we're in Linnbrock, New York. This is Nassau County, Long Island,
- 3:17about twenty miles east of Manhattan. It's your quintessential middle
- 3:21class nineteen eighty suburbs, Brught.
- 3:23Speaker 3: Tree Line Street, single family homes.
- 3:25Speaker 1: Exactly, kids riding bikes everywhere until the street lights come on.
- 3:28And at the center of this story is a sixteen
- 3:31year old girl named Teresa Fisco.
- 3:32Speaker 2: She was a junior in high school, right, yeah, a junior.
- 3:35Speaker 1: Her parents, Thomas and Connie, have recently gone through a divorce,
- 3:39which is tough on her, but her dad is still
- 3:41very active in her life. She lives mostly with her
- 3:43mom and younger brother, and people describe her as friendly, outgoing, responsible.
- 3:49It's a normal teen completely, and because she wants some independence,
- 3:52she gets a part time job at a place called
- 3:54Hot Skates.
- 3:55Speaker 3: And you know, the physical setting of Hot Skates is
- 3:58actually critical to under standing the social dynamics of this
- 4:01whole case. How so well, Hot Skates was a roller
- 4:04skating rink on Merrick Road, and in the context of
- 4:08nineteen eighties suburban teenage life. A place like that was
- 4:11much more than just a business where you rented skates.
- 4:14Right before smartphones, before social media, before you could instantly
- 4:18message your friends to see what they were doing, physical
- 4:21spaces like this were the absolute epiicet of youth culture.
- 4:25This was the hub.
- 4:26Speaker 1: It was like the nineteen eighties physical equivalent of a
- 4:28group chat.
- 4:29Speaker 3: That's a perfect way to put it.
- 4:30Speaker 1: If you wanted to know the local gossip, if you
- 4:32wanted to flirt, or just vent about school or kill
- 4:35a Friday night, you went to the.
- 4:37Speaker 3: Roller ring exactly. It was where teenagers went to c
- 4:40and be seen away from the watchful eyes of their parents.
- 4:44Speaker 1: It's such an innocent, vibrant image of youth. Teresa worked
- 4:48at the snack bar, serving hot dogs, pouring sodas. But
- 4:51there is a very dark, looming shadow over this specific
- 4:55suburban hub. Yeah, there is, because just a few months earlier,
- 4:58in June of nineteen eighty four, a fifteen year old
- 5:01girl named Kelly Morrissey vanished, just vanished. And Kelly wasn't
- 5:05just a stranger on the news. She was a friend
- 5:07of Teresa's from junior high. They ran in the same
- 5:09circles and right around that same time, another local team
- 5:13named Jackie Martarella also disappeared, which is.
- 5:16Speaker 3: Just the psychological landscape that community completely fractured in the
- 5:20summer of nineteen eighty four.
- 5:21Speaker 1: I can't even imagine you.
- 5:23Speaker 3: Have to put yourself in the mindset of a parent
- 5:25or a teenager in that area during that specific cultural moment,
- 5:29the nineteen eighties was the era of the stranger danger panic.
- 5:33Speaker 1: Right, pictures of missing kids were starting to appear on
- 5:36Milk Carton's exactly.
- 5:38Speaker 3: The idea that a suburban street wasn't inherently safe was
- 5:41really becoming a national conversation. And then, in this one
- 5:44specific Long Island neighborhood, two girls disappear.
- 5:48Speaker 1: And rumors start swirling, oh massively.
- 5:51Speaker 3: A local nickname develops in the press and among the residents,
- 5:55the linn Brook Triangle.
- 5:56Speaker 1: The Lindbrook Triangle.
- 5:57Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this grim play on the Bermuda Trian, suggesting
- 6:01a geographic black hole right in their neighborhood where young
- 6:04girls just step off the sidewalk and vanish into thin air.
- 6:07Speaker 1: The phrase Lindbrook Triangle is just horrifying because it implies
- 6:11something supernatural, or at least something completely unstoppable.
- 6:14Speaker 3: It strips away the illusion of safety entirely.
- 6:16Speaker 1: And that brings us to the night of November tenth,
- 6:19nineteen eighty four. Teresa is working her shift at Hot
- 6:22Skates for reasons that are still somewhat murky in the
- 6:25public record, possibly a minor workplace dispute. She actually gets
- 6:29fired that night.
- 6:30Speaker 2: She was incredibly upset, very upset.
- 6:32Speaker 1: Her time card show she clocks out at nine four
- 6:35seven pm. Crying. Witnesses see her leave the rink, presumably
- 6:39starting the short, familiar walk home, and she's never seen alive.
- 6:43Speaker 2: Again, never makes it through a front door right.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Her family reports her missing almost immediately, And looking at
- 6:48that timeline, looking at the panic that was already saturating
- 6:51that town, I really have to ask how this impacts
- 6:54the police work.
- 6:55Speaker 3: It's a crucial question.
- 6:56Speaker 1: When a community is already gripped by this lind Brook
- 6:59Triangle hysteria and then a third girl from the exact
- 7:02same social circle vanishes. Does public terror actually make law
- 7:06enforcement worse at their jobs? Does it create a feedback
- 7:09loop of confirmation bias?
- 7:11Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it profoundly degrades the investigative process. Really, yes,
- 7:16when a community is in a state of communal terror,
- 7:19the mandate for law enforcement fundamentally shifts. The pressure is
- 7:24no longer simply to solve a crime through methodical evidence gathering.
- 7:28Speaker 1: What does it become.
- 7:29Speaker 3: The mandate becomes an urgent demand to restore a sense
- 7:32of existential safety. The public is terrified. The media is
- 7:36demanding press conferences, politicians are breathing down the next of
- 7:40the police chiefs, and the detectives themselves feel this intense,
- 7:43overwhelming heat.
- 7:45Speaker 1: Like a pressure cooker.
- 7:46Speaker 3: Exactly in a pressure cooker environment like that, the demand
- 7:50for quick answers very frequently overrides the demand for accurate answers.
- 7:54Speaker 1: That's terrifying.
- 7:56Speaker 3: It is investigators develop severe tunnel vision. They desperately need
- 8:00to find a monster to slay so they can drag
- 8:03that monster in front of the cameras and tell the community,
- 8:06you know, you can let your kids walk to school again.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Right. They need a win.
- 8:10Speaker 3: They need to win desperately. And when you are actively
- 8:13hunting for a suspect to fit a narrative of safety,
- 8:16you become highly susceptible to accepting flawed evidence, ignoring contradictory facts,
- 8:21and pushing suspects well past ethical boundaries.
- 8:25Speaker 1: Just because you're convinced you're serving the greater good by
- 8:27closing the.
- 8:28Speaker 3: Case exactly, you think you're doing the right thing.
- 8:30Speaker 1: Wow. So for twenty five agonizing days, there is just silence.
- 8:35Flyers are stable to telephone poles, search parties are combing
- 8:38the woods, but there's nothing. Until December five, nineteen eighty four. Right,
- 8:44a group of teenagers are walking near the Long Island
- 8:46railroad tracks, just blocks from the hot skates rink, and
- 8:50they stumble upon a horrific scene. Underneath a pile of leaves, dirt,
- 8:54and wooden shipping pallets, they find Teresa's body.
- 8:57Speaker 3: The autopsy results were grim, and they provide a very
- 9:00very specific forensic timeline. The medical examiner determined she had
- 9:04been brutally beaten, sexually assaulted, and the ultimate cause of
- 9:07death was ligature strangulation, meaning.
- 9:10Speaker 1: She was strangled with a cord or rope rather than
- 9:12manually with hands.
- 9:13Speaker 3: Right. Correct, But crucially for our understand of how this
- 9:17case will eventually span four decades, the medical examiner collected
- 9:22vaginal swabs during that autopsy.
- 9:24Speaker 1: Okay, this is important, very Those.
- 9:26Speaker 3: Swabs confirmed the presence of seamen and spermatozoa that biological
- 9:31evidence was logged, preserved, and stored away in nineteen eighty four.
- 9:35They could do basic blood typing on it, but the
- 9:37DNA revolution was still.
- 9:39Speaker 1: Years away, so they have the evidence, but not the
- 9:42tech to really decode it yet exactly. And finding the
- 9:45body so close to the rink, hidden underneath shipping pallettes
- 9:49in a way that suggests the killer had time and
- 9:51knew the layout of the area, the police operate on
- 9:53the assumption that the perpetrator is local, which.
- 9:56Speaker 3: Is a reasonable assumption at the time.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Yeah, someone who knew Teresa's routine or a least new
- 10:00the geography of the real yards. The Nassau County homicide
- 10:03squad kicks into high gear. They are interviewing everyone who
- 10:07ever set foot in hot skates, right, But it's not
- 10:10until the spring of nineteen eighty five that they really
- 10:12lock onto their targets. They zero in on three young men,
- 10:18John Coget, John Restivo, and Dennis Halstead. Coget worked occasionally
- 10:23at a moving company run by Restivo and his brother. Okay,
- 10:26and this is where we have to look closely at
- 10:28the trap of human error, because the interrogation of John
- 10:32Coget is staggering cogit is brought in. He's subjected to
- 10:35multiple polygraphic examinations. The detectives helme he failed them. They
- 10:40isolate him, and they interrogate him relentlessly for nearly eighteen hours.
- 10:45Speaker 3: Eighteen hours of continuous, high stake psychological pressure.
- 10:49Speaker 1: How does someone not just break down completely?
- 10:52Speaker 3: Well, they do. And to understand how a false confession happens,
- 10:55we have to break down the mechanics of an interrogation
- 10:57from that era, which was heavily reliant on techniques like
- 11:00the read technique.
- 11:01Speaker 1: Okay, but great, that down.
- 11:02Speaker 3: Sorry. The common everyday assumption is, you know I would
- 11:04never confess to a horrific murder.
- 11:06Speaker 2: I didn't commit right. Everyone thinks that right.
- 11:09Speaker 3: But that assumption ignores the physiological and psychological breakdown that
- 11:14occurs during a prolonged coercive interrogation. Imagine the environment a small,
- 11:20windowless room. You are exhausted, sleep deprived, terrified.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Probably haven't eaten properly exactly.
- 11:27Speaker 3: And you're completely cut off from your family or any
- 11:29legal support. The interrogators start with a positive confrontation. They
- 11:35don't ask if you did it. They tell you that
- 11:38they know you did it. Wow, they present false evidence,
- 11:41which by the way, is entirely legal for police to
- 11:43do in the United States.
- 11:45Speaker 1: Wait, really, they can just lie.
- 11:46Speaker 3: They can absolutely lie. They tell you they have your fingerprints,
- 11:48or they have witnesses, or in Cookgetz case, that he
- 11:51definitively failed the polygraph machine.
- 11:53Speaker 1: So they basically construct an alternate reality in that room
- 11:56where your guilt is already an established, undeniable fact, and
- 11:59you're denys are just seen as uncooperative lying.
- 12:02Speaker 3: Precisely, once they've trap you in that reality, they move
- 12:05to the next phase, theme development and minimization.
- 12:08Speaker 1: What does that mean?
- 12:09Speaker 3: They offer you a moral or psychological out. They might say, look,
- 12:12we know you didn't plan this. Things just got out
- 12:14of hand. You were drunk, she provoked you. It was
- 12:16an accident.
- 12:17Speaker 1: Ah. They minimize the moral culpability to make confessing seem
- 12:21less devastating.
- 12:22Speaker 3: Yes, for the innocent suspect who has been in that
- 12:25room for twelve, fifteen, eighteen hours. The immediate overwhelming biological
- 12:29goal simply becomes, how do I make this stock.
- 12:33Speaker 1: Just let me sleep?
- 12:35Speaker 3: Exactly. They begin to believe that the only way to
- 12:38end the psychological torture to get a drink of water
- 12:40to sleep is to give the police what they want.
- 12:44Speaker 1: They rationalize it.
- 12:45Speaker 3: They rationalize it. They think, I'll just sign whatever piece
- 12:48of paper they put in front of me now, so
- 12:49I can leave this room. Once I get to a judge,
- 12:51or once they check my alibi, or once the real
- 12:53evidence comes back from the lab, the system will realize
- 12:56it's a mistake.
- 12:57Speaker 1: The truth will sort itself out.
- 12:59Speaker 3: Yes, they'd trade their long term liberty for short term relief,
- 13:04But the tragic reality of the justice system is that
- 13:06once you sign a confession, the system rarely, if ever,
- 13:10lets you take it back.
- 13:11Speaker 1: Wait. I have to stop here, because this is where
- 13:13the logic of the courtroom completely baffles me. Yes, after
- 13:17nearly eighteen hours, Coget signs a handwritten confession, and the
- 13:22source material points out a shilling detail. This was the
- 13:25sixth version drafted by a detectives trash. They were literally
- 13:29workshopping the narrative. In this sign document, Coget claims that
- 13:34he Ristivo and Halstead saw Teresa walking from the rink,
- 13:37offered her a ride in Restivo's van, sexually assaulted her,
- 13:41and then strangled her with a nylon rope when she
- 13:44threatened to tell someone and then they dumped the body
- 13:47by the tracks. But if we look at the evidence,
- 13:50the confession contained absolutely no unique details that were unknown
- 13:54to the police, none at all. There was no mention
- 13:56of her missing clothes, which were never found. There was
- 13:59no exact description of the specific ligature used. Usually, a
- 14:02genuine confession includes a hold back detail, right, yes.
- 14:05Speaker 3: A piece of information that only the true killer and
- 14:08the medical examiner would know exactly.
- 14:10Speaker 1: This confession was essentially just a regurgitation of the police's
- 14:14own working theories. Any defense attorney worth their salt would
- 14:18tear that confession to shreds. You don't even need advanced
- 14:21science to see that as a bad confession.
- 14:23Speaker 3: It was incredibly weak.
- 14:24Speaker 1: So why didn't the jury see it? How does a
- 14:26jury ignore that glaring red flag?
- 14:29Speaker 3: The jury ignored the inconsistencies in the confession because the
- 14:32prosecution blinded them with the illusion of scientific certainty. Okay,
- 14:36the confession didn't stand alone. It was bolstered by what
- 14:39we now categorize as junk science based on Koget's coerced narrative.
- 14:45The police obtained a warrant and searched genre Stevo's van.
- 14:48Inside that van, they vacuumed up debris and found two hairs.
- 14:52The prosecution brought a forensic expert into the courtroom who
- 14:56testified that under a microscope, those two hairs found in
- 14:59the van perfectly match the hair of Teresa Fusco.
- 15:02Speaker 1: Let's talk about microscopic hair comparison, because it is infuriated.
- 15:05Speaker 3: It really is.
- 15:06Speaker 1: It's like trying to identify a specific individual tree in
- 15:10a massive million acre forest by looking at a single
- 15:14generic brown leaf. You're looking at a hair under a
- 15:18microscope and subjectively deciding, Yeah, this looks like her hair.
- 15:21Speaker 3: Your analogy is spot on. To understand why it's junk science,
- 15:25you have to look at how it's actually performed. Okay,
- 15:28an analyst places a hair from the crime scene and
- 15:32a hair from the victim or suspect under a comparison microscope.
- 15:37They're visually looking at the characteristics of the hair, the
- 15:40cuticle pattern on the outside, the pigmentation in the cortex,
- 15:43and the thickness of the medulla, which is the innermost core.
- 15:46Speaker 1: So they are just eyeballing it.
- 15:48Speaker 3: Essentially, yes, and here is the fundamental flaw. Human hair
- 15:52is not like a fingerprint. Hair varies wildly from person
- 15:55to person. But more importantly, hair varies wildly on the
- 15:58head of a single individual.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Makes sense.
- 16:00Speaker 3: The hair on the back of your neck looks different
- 16:02under a microscope than the hair on your crown. Furthermore,
- 16:05there are no statistical databases for hair characteristics.
- 16:08Speaker 1: So they can't even give a probability.
- 16:11Speaker 3: Exactly, when a DNA expert says there's a one in
- 16:13a billion chance of a match, there is hard math
- 16:16behind it. When a hair analyst in the nineteen eighties
- 16:19said it's a match, they were entirely relying on their
- 16:22own subjective visual interpretation. There was no mathematical standard.
- 16:26Speaker 1: But to a jury in nineteen eighty six, an expert
- 16:29in a suit taking the stand, pointing to a blown
- 16:32up photograph of a hair and saying these match carries immense,
- 16:35almost divine authority.
- 16:37Speaker 3: It really does.
- 16:37Speaker 1: It gave them permission to dismiss the fact that Kogit's
- 16:40confession was a messy six draft disaster because they believed
- 16:44they had hard physical proof connecting the victim to the
- 16:47van exactly.
- 16:48Speaker 3: The illusion of absolute certainty overpowered common sense. But what
- 16:52makes the scientific evidence in this specific trial so tragic
- 16:56is that the defense didn't just roll over.
- 16:58Speaker 1: They fought back.
- 16:59Speaker 3: They did. They had their own scientific experts who tried
- 17:01to expose the flaws in the prosecution's timeline. The defense
- 17:05experts analyze those exact same hairs and pointed to a
- 17:08biological phenomenon called post mortem root banding.
- 17:11Speaker 1: Okay, we need to deep dive into post mortem root
- 17:14banding because this is fascinating, incredibly dark, and it completely
- 17:18contradicts the prosecution's entire theory of the crime. What is
- 17:22happening at a cellular level here, post mortem.
- 17:25Speaker 3: Root banding is a specific decomposition marker.
- 17:28Speaker 1: Okay.
- 17:28Speaker 3: When a person dies, their blood flow stops, the cellular
- 17:32structures at the root of the hair follicle, the part
- 17:35embedded in the scalp, begin to break down. This process
- 17:39is called autolysis.
- 17:40Speaker 1: Acolysis meaning self digestion.
- 17:43Speaker 3: Basically, yes, the cells essentially destroy themselves. As the cells decompose,
- 17:47a distinct, dark, opaque band forms near the root of
- 17:51the hair. It's a biological signature of death. Wow, it
- 17:54only happens after a person is deceased. The defense experts
- 17:58took the stand and argued that the hair's found in
- 18:00Ristillo's van exhibited this post mortem route banding.
- 18:03Speaker 1: So the defense is saying, look at the biology. These
- 18:05hairs could not have been shed by a living, breathing
- 18:07teresipusco struggling in the back of a van.
- 18:10Speaker 2: The timeline doesn't work precisely.
- 18:12Speaker 3: If the hairs have post mortem root banding, they were
- 18:15separated from the scalp after the decomposition process had already begun. Right.
- 18:19The defense argued that the hairs must have been transferred
- 18:22into the van long after the murder, perhaps transferred inadvertently
- 18:26by investigators who had been at the morgue, or transferred
- 18:29from contaminated evidence.
- 18:30Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
- 18:31Speaker 3: They were essentially proving biologically that the hairs were deposited
- 18:36after she was dead, which shatters the narrative that she
- 18:39was killed inside the van.
- 18:41Speaker 1: That is an incredible defense. They're using actual cellular biology
- 18:45to disprove a visual guessing game.
- 18:48Speaker 3: They were, but you have to remember the.
- 18:50Speaker 2: Era nineteen eighty six right in the.
- 18:52Speaker 3: Mid nineteen eighties, the courts, the judges, and the juries
- 18:56were simply not equipped to adjudicate this kind of highly technical,
- 19:00emerging scientific debate.
- 19:02Speaker 1: He is too complicated.
- 19:03Speaker 3: Yeah, the prosecution offered a narrative that was simple clean
- 19:06and fit the tropes of every police show on television.
- 19:09The back I confessed, and we found the victim's hair
- 19:12in his van.
- 19:12Speaker 1: Case closed.
- 19:13Speaker 3: The defense's argument, on the other hand, was highly complex,
- 19:17requiring the jury to understand cellular autolysis and decomposition markers.
- 19:21Speaker 1: And human nature tends to favor the simple story always.
- 19:25Speaker 3: Human nature tends to favor the simple, cohesive narrative over
- 19:28the complex, messy one. The illusion of certainty won out
- 19:32over the nuance of actual.
- 19:33Speaker 1: Science, and the result of that psychological preference for a
- 19:37simple story is devastating. In nineteen eighty six, John Cogit
- 19:41is convicted and sentenced to thirty one and a half
- 19:43years to life in prison awful. Later that same year,
- 19:47Restivo and Halsteed are tried together. They're convicted and they
- 19:50are also handed sentences of over thirty years. Three young
- 19:54men sent to maximum security prison for the rest of
- 19:57their lives based on a confession squeezed out of an
- 19:59exhaust de man and a subjective glance through a microscope.
- 20:03They lose eighteen years of their lives. That's nearly two
- 20:06decades stolen from them. It is a profound, catastrophic, systemic failure.
- 20:11Speaker 3: It's a tragedy on multiple levels. But as we look
- 20:13at the timeline, we see a fascinating historical irony. The
- 20:17very concept of science, the subjective, flawed interpretation of evidence
- 20:21that failed these men so spectacularly in nineteen eighty six,
- 20:25was quietly undergoing a revolution in laboratories around the.
- 20:28Speaker 1: World, a revolution that would eventually become their salvation, the
- 20:31DNA revolution. This brings us to the late nineties and
- 20:35early two thousands. While cogit, Restivo and Halstead are sitting
- 20:39in tiny concrete cells maintaining their innocence year after year,
- 20:43writing letters filing appeals, the outside world is fundamentally changing.
- 20:48Speaker 3: It really is.
- 20:48Speaker 1: Organizations dedicated to fighting wrongful convictions like Centurion Ministries and
- 20:53the Innocence Project get involved in their cases, and forensic
- 20:56science makes an absolute quantum leap with the development of
- 20:59SDR DNA profiling.
- 21:01Speaker 3: This is the massive paradigm shift in criminal justice. We're
- 21:04transitioning from subjective evidence a detective's gut feeling during an
- 21:08interrogation or a forensic analyst's visual opinion of a hair
- 21:13under a microscope, to objective, undeniable, mathematical biological facts.
- 21:17Speaker 1: SDR short tandem repeats.
- 21:19Speaker 3: Right. Instead of just looking at basic blood types, which
- 21:22are shared by millions of people, scientists learned how to
- 21:25look at specific, highly variable regions of a person's.
- 21:28Speaker 2: Junk DNA okay, junk DNA.
- 21:30Speaker 3: These regions contain short sequences of DNA. They repeat over
- 21:33and over, and the number of repeats varies dramatically from
- 21:35person to person.
- 21:36Speaker 1: So it's not just looking at one marker. They're looking
- 21:39at multiple locations on the DNA strand.
- 21:41Speaker 3: Correct, they look at multiple low sized specific locations on
- 21:45the genome. If you measure the repeats at thirteen or
- 21:48twenty different low si, the mathematical probability of two random
- 21:52people having the exact same number of repeats at every
- 21:55single location drops to one in several trillion.
- 21:58Speaker 1: Wow.
- 22:00Speaker 3: It creates a genetic fingerprint that is virtually unique to
- 22:03that individual, excluding identical twins. It is an objective, falsifiable,
- 22:08mathematical reality.
- 22:10Speaker 1: Armed with this new technology, the legal teams for these
- 22:13three men start pushing for DNA testing on the biological
- 22:16evidence that had been preserved in evidence lockers since nineteen
- 22:19eighty four.
- 22:20Speaker 3: The swabs.
- 22:21Speaker 1: Right, they test the vaginal slides and swabs that had
- 22:23been used during the initial blood typing, and the results
- 22:26come back, Cogit, Restivo, and Halstead are all definitively excluded
- 22:31as the source.
- 22:32Speaker 2: Of the semen definitively excluded.
- 22:33Speaker 1: Their DNA is not there. The math says, it is
- 22:36not them. You would think that would be the end
- 22:38of the story. Boom, the state apologizes, open the cell doors.
- 22:41Speaker 3: You'd hope so.
- 22:41Speaker 1: But taking that a step further into the psychology of
- 22:44the justice system, the prosecution actually pushes back.
- 22:48Speaker 2: You do.
- 22:48Speaker 1: They argue that maybe the samples tested just didn't capture
- 22:51all the genetic contributors. They float the theory that maybe
- 22:54there is someone else's DNA mixed in and the lab
- 22:57simply missed the defendant's DNA in a complex mixture, Like
- 23:01how is that even allowed?
- 23:02Speaker 3: This highlights a deeply ingrained, almost pathological phenymenon in wrongful
- 23:07conviction cases, which is institutional inertia. Once the justice system
- 23:12has secured a conviction, there is an immense inertia that
- 23:15vehemently resists overturning it.
- 23:17Speaker 2: Ah.
- 23:18Speaker 3: The psychological phenomenon of confirmation bias doesn't just affect the
- 23:22initial detectives in the heat of the moment. It infects
- 23:25the prosecutors and the institution. Decades later, they.
- 23:28Speaker 1: Just can't admit they were wrong.
- 23:29Speaker 3: Right, the state has built its public reputation, prosecutors have
- 23:32built their careers and their entire understanding of the world
- 23:36rests on the belief that these men are guilty.
- 23:37Speaker 1: So they double down.
- 23:38Speaker 3: They double down when new objective science challenges that foundational belief.
- 23:43The initial defensive reaction is often to find a reason
- 23:47to doubt the science, rather than to admit the conviction
- 23:50was a catastrophic error.
- 23:51Speaker 1: So they invent highly improbable scenarios like a.
- 23:54Speaker 3: Completely invisible mysture of DNA, just to justify keeping them
- 23:58in prison.
- 23:59Speaker 1: But then in two thousand and three, the defense team
- 24:02experience is what I can only describe as a bureaucratic miracle.
- 24:05Speaker 3: Oh, this part is incredible.
- 24:07Speaker 1: The defense attorneys aren't doing high tech lab work. They're
- 24:10digging through dusty, forgotten property records. Think about a nineteen
- 24:14eighties evidence room, paper logs, carbon copies, boxes stacked to
- 24:19the ceiling, complete chaos, honestly, total chaos, and buried in
- 24:22those files, they find a single piece of paper indicating
- 24:26that there is an intact completely untested vaginal swab from
- 24:29the nineteen eighty four autopsy that had just been sitting
- 24:32in cold storage, forgotten for almost twenty years.
- 24:34Speaker 3: It is the ultimate bitter irony of this entire saga.
- 24:38The key to freedom wasn't just found in the multi
- 24:40million dollar advancements of genetic science. The key was found
- 24:43in a mundane, disorganized, clerical oversight. A single overlooked piece
- 24:49of paper regarding an untested swab ultimately held the power
- 24:53to unlock three prison cells.
- 24:55Speaker 1: It's like finding a winning lottery ticket buried in the
- 24:58pocket of a coat you haven't worn into one years,
- 25:00except the prize is your literal freedom.
- 25:02Speaker 3: That's exactly what it felt like.
- 25:04Speaker 1: They take this pristine, untouched swab and they test it
- 25:07using the new str DNA technology because it was never
- 25:10handled or tested for blood typing in the eighties. The
- 25:13sample is pure and the result is definitive. Undeniably, it
- 25:18produces a single, clear, robust profile of an unknown male.
- 25:22It is undeniably mathematically not COGD. It's not Rescuvo, it's
- 25:27not Halstead.
- 25:28Speaker 3: The biological evidence from that pristine swab completely, irrevocably dismantles
- 25:33the state's theory of.
- 25:34Speaker 2: The crime completely.
- 25:35Speaker 3: If the coerce confession drafted by the police were true,
- 25:38that all three men actively participated in the gang rape
- 25:41in the back of a van, you would expect a complex,
- 25:43messy mixture of DNA from multiple contributors because it's three
- 25:47guys exactly. Instead, the objective undeniable science says the biological
- 25:53material came from a single unknown male. The narrative of
- 25:57the confession is scientifically impossible.
- 26:00Speaker 1: Imagine sitting with that reality for a second. Imagine you're
- 26:03John Kogit or John Restuvo. You're sitting in a tiny
- 26:05concrete cell for eighteen years.
- 26:08Speaker 3: It's horrifying.
- 26:09Speaker 1: You know every single day with absolute certainty that you're innocent.
- 26:13You know you weren't in that van. You know you
- 26:15didn't touch Teresa Fusco. But the entire world, the entire
- 26:19power of the state, the media, perhaps even people you
- 26:22used to know, tell you that you're a monster. Yeah,
- 26:25and you just have to sit there, watching your youth evaporate,
- 26:28waiting for the rest of the world's technology to catch
- 26:30up to the truth you have known all along.
- 26:32Speaker 3: It's a psychological endurance test that is almost impossible for
- 26:36anyone outside of that situation to fathom to be gaslit
- 26:39by your entire society for two.
- 26:41Speaker 1: Decades, it really is gaslighting.
- 26:43Speaker 3: But finally the evidence becomes too overwhelming for the state
- 26:46to ignore. In June two thousand and three, their convictions
- 26:50are officially.
- 26:51Speaker 2: Vacated, Thank goodness.
- 26:52Speaker 3: However, the legal battle wasn't instantly over. Cogd actually faced
- 26:57a retrial in two thousand and five.
- 26:59Speaker 1: Wait, really a retrial, yes, but.
- 27:02Speaker 3: This time the playing field was vastly different. In a
- 27:04groundbreaking move, his attorney successfully fought to introduce expert testimony
- 27:09on the psychology of false confessions. It was the first
- 27:13time such testimony was admitted in New York state history.
- 27:16Speaker 1: So a jury finally got to hear exactly how an
- 27:18eighteen hour interrogation breaks the human mind.
- 27:22Speaker 3: Exactly they had. An expert explained the retechnique, the sleep deprivation,
- 27:26the minimization tactics. The judge, presiding over a bench trial
- 27:30acquitted coked, citing the glaring, unresolvable contradictions between his coerced
- 27:35factually incorrect confession and the undeniable objective forensic evidence and.
- 27:39Speaker 1: The other two.
- 27:40Speaker 3: Shortly after that acquittal, the charges against Resvo and Halsted
- 27:43were officially dropped. They were finally free.
- 27:45Speaker 1: Men, and they sued, didn't they They did.
- 27:48Speaker 3: They later pursued civil rights lawsuits and received massive settlements
- 27:51eighteen million dollars each from Nassau County. But let's be clear,
- 27:55no amount of municipal money buys back almost twenty years
- 27:57of your life.
- 27:58Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. You can't buy back the weddings, you missed,
- 28:01the funerals, you couldn't attend, the basic freedom of walking
- 28:05at your front door. And while these three men are
- 28:07finally exonerated, we are left with a new, terrifying reality.
- 28:11The real killer, Teresa Fosco's actual killer, is still out there.
- 28:16The case is completely cold again. They have a pristine
- 28:19digitized DNA profile of the killer from that two thousand
- 28:22and three swab, but when they run it through the
- 28:24criminal databases, it doesn't match anyone.
- 28:26Speaker 3: A ghost.
- 28:27Speaker 1: The unknown male is essentially a ghost in the machine,
- 28:31And for two more decades, that DNA profile just sits
- 28:34on a server, waiting for the next monumental leap in science,
- 28:38which brings us to the advent of forensic genetic genealogy.
- 28:41Speaker 3: The technological leap from str profiling to forensic genetic genealogy
- 28:45is just as profound, if not more so, than the
- 28:48leap from basic blood typing to str profiling.
- 28:51Speaker 1: Really that big of a jump, oh?
- 28:52Speaker 3: Absolutely? For years, law enforcement relied on COTIS, the national
- 28:56DNA database maintained by the FBI. But CODIS has a
- 28:59massive line spot.
- 29:00Speaker 1: What's the blind spot?
- 29:01Speaker 3: It only works if the perpetrator has a prior criminal
- 29:03record and their DNA was forcibly collected and entered into
- 29:07the system. If the killer is someone who has never
- 29:10been arrested for a felony, COTIS is completely useless. The
- 29:13profile to sit there unmatched forever.
- 29:15Speaker 1: Enter the twenty tens and twenty twenties and the rise
- 29:18of consumer DNA databases. This is the era of twenty
- 29:21three enemy ancestry DNA and specifically ged match. This is
- 29:26the exact same technology that famously brought down the Golden
- 29:29State Killer, and now the Nassau County DA's Cold Case
- 29:32Homicide Unit, teaming up with the FBI and private investigative
- 29:36labs like authorm Labs, applies this exact technique to the
- 29:40FUSCO case.
- 29:41Speaker 3: The mechanics of this hybrid approach are brilliant, and they
- 29:44require a fascinating blend of high tech biology and old
- 29:47school genealogical research.
- 29:48Speaker 1: Explain how it works.
- 29:50Speaker 3: They take the unknown killer's DNA profile extracted from the
- 29:53nineteen eighty four crime scene evidence, and they upload a
- 29:56digitized version of it to specific consumer genealogy databases that
- 29:59allow law enforcement searches. Okay, the system isn't looking for
- 30:02an exact match, it's looking for partial matches. It measures
- 30:06shared DNA in units called cent morgans.
- 30:08Speaker 1: Centa Morgan's okay, Right.
- 30:09Speaker 3: If the system finds a user who shares, say, one
- 30:13or two percent of their DNA with the killer's profile,
- 30:17it flags that user as a distant relative, perhaps a
- 30:20third cousin.
- 30:21Speaker 1: Right, So they aren't finding the killer directly. They're finding
- 30:23the killer's third cousin twice removed, who voluntarily spin in
- 30:27a tube to find out where their ancestors came from exactly.
- 30:30Speaker 3: And once they have that distant cousin, the biology stops
- 30:33and the historical research begins.
- 30:35Speaker 1: The paper trail.
- 30:36Speaker 3: Yes, expert genealogists build massive, complex family trees backward for
- 30:41those distant cousins. They scour digitized census records birth certificates,
- 30:46marriage licenses, obituaries, and military drafts, trying to find common
- 30:51ancestors from generations ago, maybe great great grandparents from the
- 30:54eighteen hundreds.
- 30:55Speaker 1: Wow, that is painstaking work, it really is.
- 30:58Speaker 3: Once they identify those common ancestors, they flip the process
- 31:01and build the tree forward. They trace every branch, every marriage,
- 31:04every child, tracking the lineage down to the present day.
- 31:07Speaker 1: So they're narrowing it down.
- 31:09Speaker 3: Essentially, they're creating a massive web of hundreds of people,
- 31:13and they are looking for a male in that specific
- 31:16family tree who fits the demographic and geographic profile of
- 31:20the killer. In nineteen eighty four.
- 31:22Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty four, this incredibly intricate, painstaking process
- 31:27leads investigators to a specific name, Richard Bilodeau. Yes, let's
- 31:33look at this guy's profile, because it is chilling in
- 31:35its sheer banality. In November of nineteen eighty four, Richard
- 31:38Beldo was twenty three years old. He was living with
- 31:42his grandparents at sixteen Treadwell Avenue in Linbrook, and that
- 31:45address is exactly one mile away from the hot skates
- 31:48rink and one mile away from Teresa Fusco's house.
- 31:51Speaker 3: It perfectly aligns with the initial common sense theory from
- 31:54nineteen eighty four that the killer was local, that he
- 31:56was part of the neighborhood fabric, that he knew the
- 31:58area well enough to hide a body near the real tracks.
- 32:00Speaker 1: But Bilado never pinged on the police radar back then.
- 32:03Speaker 3: No, he didn't. He had no criminal record, he wasn't
- 32:05part of the suspect pool, and for the next forty
- 32:07years he lived a completely quiet, low profile life.
- 32:10Speaker 1: Just totally under the radar.
- 32:12Speaker 3: Completely. By twenty twenty four, he's in his sixties, living
- 32:16in Center Morrish's farther out in Suffolk County, working the
- 32:19night shift, stocking shelves at a local Walmart. He is
- 32:23the very definition of a predator hiding in playing sight.
- 32:26Speaker 1: It's terrifying. A guy who allegedly committed this horrific, brutal
- 32:30crime just blends back into society, drives the speed limit,
- 32:35pays his taxes, and stock shelves for decades.
- 32:38Speaker 3: It's deeply unsettled, but.
- 32:39Speaker 1: The genealogy just points them in his direction. Right. It's
- 32:42it's a lead, not evidence. It's not enough for an
- 32:44arrest warrant erect. They need a direct biological match. They
- 32:48need to prove that the DNA in the sixty three
- 32:50year old Richard Bilodeau's body perfectly matts is the DNA
- 32:54left on Teresa Fusco in nineteen eighty four. So the
- 32:57police set up a covert sting. They put him under surveillance,
- 32:59and we're back to the image I asked you to
- 33:01picture at the very beginning of this deep dive.
- 33:03Speaker 3: The surveillance operation culminates in a moment of completely mundane routine.
- 33:08Investigators follow Beuladot to a cafe. He vis a smoothie.
- 33:11Smooth Yeah, he drinks it, and when he's finished, he
- 33:14tosses the plastic cup and the straw into a public
- 33:18trash can.
- 33:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 33:19Speaker 3: Legally, once you discard an item in a public receptacle,
- 33:22you abandon your expectation of privacy.
- 33:24Speaker 2: It's fair game, it's fair game.
- 33:26Speaker 3: The moment he walks away, investigators move in and retrieve
- 33:29that trash. They take the discarded straw back to the
- 33:32forensic lab. They extract the DNA from the epithelial cells
- 33:36the saliva left on the plastic and it is a match.
- 33:39Speaker 1: The DNA extracted from the twenty twenty four Smoothie straw
- 33:42is a virtual certainty match to the pristine Seman profile
- 33:45recovered from the nineteen eighty four crime scene direct It
- 33:48a man allegedly commits a brutal murder in the era
- 33:50of cassette tapes, rotary phones, and microscopic hair comparisons, and
- 33:55he is undone forty years later by a piece of
- 33:57single use plastic and a computer data of family trees.
- 34:01It's just incredibly surreal.
- 34:03Speaker 3: It perfectly illustrates the power of the hybrid approach. Yeah,
- 34:06you use the cutting edge wide net technology of genetic
- 34:09genealogy to narrow your suspect pool from hundreds of millions
- 34:13of people down to one specific individual, and then you
- 34:16use traditional direct str DNA sampling the discarded straw to
- 34:22lock in the absolute, legally binding match required for prosecution.
- 34:26Speaker 1: So, armed with this irrefutable genetic link, on October fourteenth,
- 34:31twenty twenty five, police arrest Richard Bilodeau. Finally, he's indicted
- 34:37on two counts of second degree murder, and when detectives
- 34:40confront him with the evidence, he reportedly says something that
- 34:42made all the hair on my arms stand up.
- 34:44Speaker 3: Yeah, this quote is wild.
- 34:46Speaker 1: He doesn't immediately confess. Instead, he says people got away
- 34:49with murder back then. Now, looking at that from a
- 34:51psychological perspective of what's your read on this? Does that
- 34:54quote sound like a veiled confession of guilt or is
- 34:56it just a cynical, detached observation of how broken the
- 34:59nine teen eighties justice system was.
- 35:02Speaker 3: That specific phrase is going to be intensely debated during
- 35:05the trial. From a psychological perspective, it's a fascinating statement
- 35:08because it lacks any direct ownership.
- 35:10Speaker 1: Right, he says people, not I exactly.
- 35:13Speaker 3: He doesn't say I got away with him for forty years.
- 35:16It's framed as a generalized societal observation. However, in the
- 35:21context of an interrogation, when you are abruptly confronted with
- 35:24the definitive DNA match tying you to a forty year
- 35:27old murder, prosecutors will absolutely frame it as a statement
- 35:31of consciousness of guilt.
- 35:32Speaker 1: They'll say it was a slip.
- 35:34Speaker 3: Right, They'll argue it's the spontaneous statement of a man
- 35:36who thought he had successfully beaten the clock, expressing his
- 35:40shock that the past had finally caught up to him.
- 35:43He was relying on the technological limitations of nineteen eighty
- 35:46four to protect him forever.
- 35:48Speaker 1: It is a chilling detail, and it brings us to
- 35:51the present day. May twenty twenty six and the long
- 35:54complicated arc of justice. Richard billdeou has pleaded not guilty.
- 35:59His attorney Dan Rusthe so maintains his client's innocence, suggesting
- 36:02there are alternative explanations for the DNA But as of
- 36:06April twenty twenty six, a judge has rejected the defense's
- 36:09initial challenges to the DNA evidence, meaning the genetic genealogy
- 36:12and the smoothie straw match are officially cleared for trial.
- 36:15Bilideau is sitting in a jail cell right now awaiting
- 36:18his day in court.
- 36:19Speaker 3: As we look toward this impending trial, we have to
- 36:22analyze the incredibly unique, almost paradoxical challenge the prosecutors face.
- 36:28Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean.
- 36:29Speaker 3: On one hand, they have the ultimate trump card, a definitive,
- 36:34virtually certain DNA match directly kalking the defendant to the
- 36:38victim's body. It's the gold standard of evidence.
- 36:41Speaker 1: You can't argue with the math.
- 36:42Speaker 3: But on the other hand, the defense attorney's strategy is
- 36:45practically written for them in the historical record. The defense
- 36:49will absolutely point to the wreckage of the DA's own
- 36:52office from the nineteen eighties.
- 36:53Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt, the defense is going to stand
- 36:55up in front of a jury and say, ladies and gentlemen,
- 36:58forty years ago, the very authorities sitting at that prosecution
- 37:02table stood in this very room and promised the different jury,
- 37:05with absolute scientific certainty, that three other men committed this
- 37:09crime exactly. They had a signed confession, they had physical
- 37:13hair evidence, they swore under oath, they had the right guys,
- 37:16and they were catastrophically wrong. They stole twenty years from
- 37:19innocent men. Why should you believe their absolute certainty today?
- 37:23Speaker 3: It creates a profound legal tightrope. The prosecutors have to
- 37:28prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt using decades old biological evidence,
- 37:32while simultaneously tiptoeing around the fact that the original investigation
- 37:36by their own department was a masterclass in confirmation, bias, coercion,
- 37:41and junk science.
- 37:42Speaker 1: That's a really tough spot for the prosecutors.
- 37:45Speaker 3: It is they have to convince a modern jury that
- 37:47the science of twenty twenty six is truly objective and infallible,
- 37:51even though the system loudly claimed the science of nineteen
- 37:54eighty six was infallible too. They have to explain falsifiability,
- 37:58the fact that DNA math can be tested and proven
- 38:01unlike subjective hair analysis.
- 38:03Speaker 1: And while the legal battles and the science are fascinating
- 38:06to analyze, we absolutely cannot lose sight of the profound
- 38:09emotional toll this entire, sprawling odyssey has taken. Absolutely Think
- 38:13about Thomas Fusco, Teresa's father. He was present at Beldo's arraignment.
- 38:17He was carrying a photograph of his daughter in his pocket,
- 38:19just like he has every day for forty years. He
- 38:22told reporters, I loved her and I miss her. She
- 38:24lives in my heart.
- 38:25Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking.
- 38:26Speaker 1: Imagine the psychological whiplash this family has endured, the concept
- 38:30of ambiguous loss, the initial horror of the murder, the
- 38:34false closure of the nineteen eighty six convictions where they
- 38:37were told justice was served, the reopening of the wound
- 38:40when those convictions were overturned and they realized the real
- 38:43killer was.
- 38:43Speaker 3: Free and now a brand new suspect. Forty years later.
- 38:48Speaker 1: Teresa's mother, Connie, passed away in twenty nineteen. She endured
- 38:52all the pain, but never lived to see this new arrest.
- 38:55Speaker 3: The collateral damage of a botched investigation is immense, and
- 38:58it's multi generational. Yeah, it's the victim's family in during
- 39:02decades of false narratives and broken promises. It's the deep
- 39:05trauma of the exoneries Cogut, Restuvou, and Halsted, who lost
- 39:10the prime years of their lives locked in cages for
- 39:12something they didn't do. And it's the reopened wounds for
- 39:15the entire Linbrook community who are suddenly forced to re
- 39:18examine a nightmare they thought was buried and solved in
- 39:20the nineteen eighties.
- 39:21Speaker 1: Nasau County District Attorney Anti Donnelly said it well when
- 39:24she stated that the past is never forgotten and they
- 39:27will never stop fighting for victims. But the stark reality
- 39:30is that justice delayed by forty years. Justice that requires
- 39:34innocent men to suffer first is a very complicated, fractured
- 39:38kind of justice.
- 39:39Speaker 3: It really is. The source material notes that the Innocence
- 39:42Project has exonerated over three hundred people nationwide using DNA evidence,
- 39:47and many of those are from the pre DNA era,
- 39:49exactly like this case. So looking at the totality of
- 39:52this story, what is the ultimate takeaway about our justice system?
- 39:55Speaker 1: Good question? What do you think the main takeaway is.
- 39:58Speaker 3: I think the ultimate takeaway is a so bring recognition
- 40:01of the system's dual nature. The American justice system is
- 40:04capable of staggering life destroying errors. It is deeply susceptible
- 40:08to communal panic, psychological coercion, and the hubris of junk science.
- 40:13It can blindly steal decades from innocent lives because it
- 40:16prioritizes closure over truth. But simultaneously it possesses a remarkable
- 40:22technological resilience. It has the capacity to eventually correct itself.
- 40:26Speaker 1: The arc is incredibly long.
- 40:28Speaker 3: The arc is long, and the human cost is tragically high.
- 40:32But eventually, the objective, falsifiable truth of science has the
- 40:37power to pierce through the subjective failures of human intuition
- 40:40and bias.
- 40:41Speaker 1: Science did what human intuition could not. It pointed objectively
- 40:44toward the truth.
- 40:45Speaker 3: Precisely, we have.
- 40:46Speaker 1: Covered a massive journey today. We started at a bustling
- 40:50neonlt Roller rink in nineteen eighty four. We walked through
- 40:54the incredibly dark corridors of eighteen hour interrogations and the
- 40:57psychology of coerced confessions. We looked at the tragic arrogance
- 41:01of microscopic hair comparisons and the ignored biology of root banding.
- 41:06It's a lot of history, and then we saw the
- 41:07light breakthrough with the mathematical certainty of str DNA testing
- 41:12and the almost science fiction reality of tracking a killer
- 41:15through their distant cousins family tree. It's a story of
- 41:18how the facts of nineteen eighty six put innocent men
- 41:21in maximum security prison, and how the facts of twenty
- 41:24twenty six are putting a new, previously unknown man on trial.
- 41:28Speaker 3: It's a powerful reminder for all of us, no matter
- 41:30what field we're in or what information we're consuming, to
- 41:33maintain a healthy skepticism. For sure, it challenges us to
- 41:36critically evaluate what is presented to us as absolute certainty, because,
- 41:41as we've seen, the definition of certainty is always evolving.
- 41:44Speaker 1: And as we wrap up this deep dive, I want
- 41:46to leave you with a final lingering thought, something for
- 41:49you to chew on long after you finished listening. Okay,
- 41:52we've spent this time marveling at how unimaginably far forensic
- 41:55science has advanced in just forty years. We went from
- 41:58a detective squint at a generic hare through a microscope
- 42:02to a laboratory extracting an entire genetic family tree from
- 42:06the invisible saliva left on a piece of plastic trash.
- 42:09Speaker 3: The technological leap is just staggering.
- 42:11Speaker 1: It really is. So I want you to think about today.
- 42:13Think about the physical world you move through right now.
- 42:16What invisible traces are you leaving behind at this exact moment,
- 42:20on your coffee cup, on your keyboard, in the very
- 42:23air you exhale that the technology of forty years from now,
- 42:26the technology of twenty sixty six, will be able to
- 42:29read and decode.
- 42:30Speaker 3: Wow.
- 42:30Speaker 1: If the evolution of science continues at this accelerating pace
- 42:33in the future, will the very concept of an unsolved
- 42:37mystery even exist? Thank you so much for joining us
- 42:39on this steep dive. Take care,