Transcript

Credlin | 21 October · Credlin

0:02
Speaker 1: Peter Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
0:08
Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Let's have a look
0:10
Speaker 2: at what's coming up tonight on Credline. First of Liberalk
0:13
Speaker 2: Now Nationals. They're in for a meltdown former party leader,
0:17
Speaker 2: former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce declaring himself over the
0:20
Speaker 2: weekend to be a free agent and setting the party
0:23
Speaker 2: into a bit of a tail spin. And those one
0:26
Speaker 2: nation rumors, Well, I'll quiz Pauline Hanson's chief of staff
0:30
Speaker 2: James Ashby on that. Shortly the much awaited meeting between
0:34
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Anthony alberaneazy set for tomorrow. Our PM's
0:38
Speaker 2: landed in DC and the credible talk is that the
0:41
Speaker 2: deal's already being done on critical minerals. So will that
0:45
Speaker 2: mean a trouble free Oval Office sit down for alb
0:48
Speaker 2: and easy, Well, we'll see.
0:50
Speaker 3: Don't forget.
0:51
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd is also in the room. Class Australia's top
0:55
Speaker 2: science agency stands accused of crossing the line embedding climate
1:00
Speaker 2: propaganda into reality TV. Nickkta joins us to warn that.
1:04
Speaker 3: The CSIRO has swapped hard.
1:06
Speaker 2: Science for mind games on net zero and those shocking
1:11
Speaker 2: scenes in the heart of Melbourne on the weekend riot
1:14
Speaker 2: police hospitalized now after left wing thugs pelted them with rocks.
1:19
Speaker 2: The premier has got her head in the sand. She
1:22
Speaker 2: doesn't live in Melbourne, I do. Let me tell you
1:25
Speaker 2: the city is in trouble.
1:28
Speaker 4: It should not be repeated, but I will repeat that. Yes,
1:32
Speaker 4: Melbourne's CBD is safe, and I think it would be
1:37
Speaker 4: wrong and misleading to conflate the behavior of a very
1:41
Speaker 4: small number of people yesterday who came to the city
1:45
Speaker 4: to bring violence and they were dealt with swiftly by
1:48
Speaker 4: Victoria police. With the incredible number and growing number of
1:53
Speaker 4: people who come in and out of the city every
1:56
Speaker 4: day and on weekends and do so safely.
2:01
Speaker 3: As I said, she was a living in Melbourne.
2:02
Speaker 2: She lives two and a half hours away in country Victoria.
2:06
Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a moment, But first,
2:08
Speaker 2: it was Bob Menzie's who observed that defeat disunites the defeated,
2:12
Speaker 2: and given he was the senior political Conservative the last
2:16
Speaker 2: time Labor had a majority as big as they do now,
2:19
Speaker 2: back in nineteen forty three, well he would know. Part
2:23
Speaker 2: of her recovery process back then was the formation of
2:26
Speaker 2: the new party the Liberal Party out of the wreckage
2:29
Speaker 2: of the old United Australia Party. Now things are not
2:33
Speaker 2: quite so bad now. I don't know it's getting bad though,
2:36
Speaker 2: But in the absence of strong leadership, the one certainty
2:40
Speaker 2: is that they will get worse, and with that there's
2:43
Speaker 2: the risk that what's left of the coalition will splinter.
2:47
Speaker 2: Now he might not have run a good campaign, but
2:49
Speaker 2: one thing Peter Dutton was able to do was keep
2:52
Speaker 2: the team together.
2:54
Speaker 3: Well, not anymore.
2:56
Speaker 2: Two of the Liberals' best talents, Andrew Hasty and just
2:59
Speaker 2: Enter Price, both on the backbench, essentially because the leadership
3:03
Speaker 2: won't take a harder ligne against record high immigration and
3:07
Speaker 2: against the net zero strait jacket, and two more of
3:10
Speaker 2: their best talents, Ankas Taylor and James Patterson or they've
3:14
Speaker 2: recently been talking about the Liberal Party and where it
3:17
Speaker 2: should be headed, rather than articulating specific policy and campaigning
3:23
Speaker 2: on it.
3:23
Speaker 3: Of course, Patterson's right.
3:25
Speaker 2: To say that the pity party must stop, that the
3:28
Speaker 2: review process must end, and that the coalition's got to
3:32
Speaker 2: start taking up the fight to this deeply underwhelming labor government.
3:38
Speaker 2: But that can only really happen if lives a few
3:40
Speaker 2: strong positions on topics and voters care about that.
3:44
Speaker 3: They are then.
3:44
Speaker 2: Prepared to argue for every single day until the next election.
3:50
Speaker 2: Now they can do that over the voice. If they
3:52
Speaker 2: could turn the tide there because they had arguments of conviction,
3:57
Speaker 2: then I still believe anything's possible. So not if they
4:00
Speaker 2: start to fall apart and start the bitching and the
4:03
Speaker 2: moaning against each other. Over the weekend, rumors swept Canber
4:08
Speaker 2: that former National Party leader and Deputy Prime Minister Barney
4:11
Speaker 2: with Joyce was about to quit the party and join
4:13
Speaker 2: One Nation Now. In response, Joyce said that the relationship
4:17
Speaker 2: between him and the current leader, David Little Proud had
4:20
Speaker 2: essentially broken down. That the coalition must dump Net zero,
4:25
Speaker 2: said Joyce, because it was devastating the economy and dividing
4:28
Speaker 2: rural Australia, and that he would not recontest his New
4:32
Speaker 2: South Wales lower seat of New England for the Nationals
4:37
Speaker 2: and in the meantime and these are all caging words,
4:40
Speaker 2: in the meantime he would consider his future.
4:44
Speaker 5: I won't be sort of involved with the National Party
4:49
Speaker 5: at a political level in Canberra. The next thing is, oh, well,
4:52
Speaker 5: what are you going to do next? Lead them up
4:54
Speaker 5: to me. I'll make my decision in my time. I'm now,
4:57
Speaker 5: as I say, a free agent.
5:00
Speaker 2: It's also reported today that Lew O'Brien, the National Party
5:04
Speaker 2: member for Wide Bay in central Queensland, is also said
5:07
Speaker 2: to be considering his position. Meanwhile, fellow Mad Canavan, who
5:11
Speaker 2: exiled himself to the back bench a couple of years
5:14
Speaker 2: ago in protests over the Liberals labor like policies, to
5:18
Speaker 2: his credit, set at least he would never defect.
5:21
Speaker 3: Now.
5:22
Speaker 2: There are two essential points I want to make here.
5:25
Speaker 2: The first is what Australia needs right now is strong
5:29
Speaker 2: liberal conservative alternative government, not a right wing protest party.
5:35
Speaker 3: Now.
5:36
Speaker 2: As much as I respect Pauline Hanson and I like
5:38
Speaker 2: her political honesty, she's no Donald Trump, she's no Nigel Farage,
5:43
Speaker 2: and one nation's never going to form government. And to
5:47
Speaker 2: try and compare one nation with Farage or even what's
5:52
Speaker 2: happening in the US, it's nonsense given the radically different
5:56
Speaker 2: voting systems. The second thing is that without Barnaby Joyce
6:00
Speaker 2: Liberal National Coalition will be weaker, not stronger. It'll be
6:04
Speaker 2: more wishy washy, not more decisive and determined, and the
6:08
Speaker 2: only beneficiary is from Barnaby's departure if that's what ultimately ensues,
6:13
Speaker 2: or with those liberals and Nats who want to minimize
6:16
Speaker 2: their differences with Labor and shift the coalition further to
6:20
Speaker 2: the left. As I said, we'll come back to that
6:26
Speaker 2: with James Ashby, Paul and Hanson's chief of staff in
6:30
Speaker 2: a moment, but let's go now of the mess that
6:32
Speaker 2: is Victoria. Yesterday, on the streets of Melbourne, yet another
6:36
Speaker 2: hard left activist rally, this time out with the pro
6:39
Speaker 2: Palestinian flag and in with the latest cause, this one
6:43
Speaker 2: the known racism push, which is a little more than
6:46
Speaker 2: a thinly disguised way to keep the Antifa types out
6:49
Speaker 2: on the streets as ordinary Australians marched in protest against
6:54
Speaker 2: our country's ever increasing immigration rate. Because this is how
7:00
Speaker 2: the left works. If we're defending Jews against anti Semitic
7:04
Speaker 2: hate and terrorism, they're trying to money the water over
7:07
Speaker 2: claims of starvation in Gaza. If we're trying to defend
7:11
Speaker 2: our flag and our freedoms, they're marching against racism, which,
7:15
Speaker 2: by word association alone, is meant to imply that anyone
7:19
Speaker 2: who thinks we're taking in too many migrants too quickly
7:23
Speaker 2: or they must.
7:23
Speaker 3: Be a racist.
7:25
Speaker 2: Once the world's most livable city, then the world's most
7:27
Speaker 2: locked down under Daniel Andrew's Melbourne is the hard left's
7:32
Speaker 2: petre dish of permanent protest and hate throw in out
7:36
Speaker 2: of controlled crime, the carjackings, the home invasions, the Maschheti
7:40
Speaker 2: attacks with yet another one last night at Luna Park,
7:44
Speaker 2: Ens and Kilda, and it's hard to avoid the conclusion
7:47
Speaker 2: the place is broken. Even the police can no longer
7:51
Speaker 2: dodge the reality for life of those who venture into
7:55
Speaker 2: the CBD.
8:00
Speaker 6: These were being thrown at police. Bottles filled with shards
8:04
Speaker 6: of glass were being thrown at the police. Bins were
8:06
Speaker 6: put on fire, flags were on fire, and I think
8:10
Speaker 6: you know, really, enough's enough.
8:15
Speaker 2: And note those specific comments from VIC Pole commander Wayne Cheeseman.
8:19
Speaker 2: He talked about the behavior of the two protest groups. First,
8:24
Speaker 2: a hard left render crowd activist Balaklava, clad and armed
8:29
Speaker 2: with projectiles.
8:30
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
8:31
Speaker 6: The people that came to pick the fight with police
8:34
Speaker 6: were the issue motivated groups on the left. They're cowards.
8:37
Speaker 6: They come in face coverings, they come in masks, they
8:41
Speaker 6: come with hoodies on. They hide behind each other. You
8:44
Speaker 6: can see them today. They had the umbrellas up. They
8:46
Speaker 6: ducked down behind the water filled barriers. They ducked down,
8:49
Speaker 6: They pulled the rocks out of their bags and they
8:52
Speaker 6: throw them as hard as they can at the police.
8:56
Speaker 2: And then note his comments about the other protest group,
8:59
Speaker 2: those Marching for Australia. I mean everyday types, ordinary Australians
9:03
Speaker 2: with their Ossie flags calling on the government to wind
9:06
Speaker 2: back our record rates of immigration.
9:09
Speaker 6: I can tell you that the March for Australia group,
9:12
Speaker 6: they were peaceful, they were engaging, They listened to our instructions,
9:16
Speaker 6: they did what they were told, and they protested by example.
9:23
Speaker 2: Thank god for a cop who says exactly what the
9:27
Speaker 2: truth is.
9:27
Speaker 3: And does not mince his words.
9:30
Speaker 2: Then compare these comments from attendees, the hard left raging,
9:35
Speaker 2: and then ordinary people who have simply had enough.
9:40
Speaker 6: Hundreds of thousand people coming in, like I'm not against immigration.
9:44
Speaker 3: I'm against mass immigration, you know, for the kids.
9:46
Speaker 6: I just fear for their future.
9:49
Speaker 7: It's any humane, it's unconstitutional and it's unfair.
9:56
Speaker 2: There you go, I mean that is just ordinary Australians
9:59
Speaker 2: who have had enough. Indeed, to contrast the two crowd
10:02
Speaker 2: objectives here, have a look at this poster on a
10:06
Speaker 2: city pole yesterday in Melbourne. It reads build a bright
10:10
Speaker 2: future for trans kids. Throw a brick at a cop today.
10:16
Speaker 2: That's right, that's what it says, throw a brick at
10:19
Speaker 2: a cop. Reprehensible, yes, but also a very clear example
10:25
Speaker 2: of the intersectionality of this sort of hate on the left,
10:29
Speaker 2: trans riots mixed up with anti racism rallies and indigenous
10:34
Speaker 2: rights and propalacity in flags, adding the so called climate catastrophe.
10:39
Speaker 2: And it's a modern day version of that old line
10:41
Speaker 2: from my university days thirty years ago, land rights for
10:45
Speaker 2: gay whales.
10:47
Speaker 3: I mean, we might.
10:47
Speaker 2: Snigger at their stupidity, but none of this is by mistake.
10:52
Speaker 2: All of this is highly coordinated, it's carefully organized, it's
10:57
Speaker 2: very well funded, including by some IS sources out of.
11:01
Speaker 3: The United States.
11:02
Speaker 2: And yet if you managed to catch some of the
11:04
Speaker 2: commercial news programs last night, and I did, I made
11:07
Speaker 2: sure I flipped around them all, well, you could be
11:10
Speaker 2: forgiven for thinking that both sides yesterday were as bad
11:14
Speaker 2: as each other.
11:16
Speaker 8: Our city in KOs.
11:22
Speaker 9: The scenes turned ugly as parts of the demonstration descended
11:26
Speaker 9: into chaos outside state parliament.
11:29
Speaker 3: Officers were targeted.
11:33
Speaker 9: And as protesters broke police containment lines, the floodgates opened.
11:44
Speaker 2: That's the commercial newss but not what you heard the
11:46
Speaker 2: police chief say. March for Australia well behaved, took construction
11:53
Speaker 2: and the hard radical left with the projectiles. Now in
11:58
Speaker 2: push today by the media, the Victoria Premiere repeated her
12:01
Speaker 2: fascical claim, But Melbourne is safe.
12:05
Speaker 4: It should not be repeated, but I will repeat that. Yes,
12:08
Speaker 4: Melbourne's CBD is safe.
12:13
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, lady, no one believes that. As
12:16
Speaker 2: I said, I live in the city.
12:18
Speaker 3: You don't.
12:19
Speaker 2: You live two and a half hours away in the country.
12:21
Speaker 2: I live in the city and the city.
12:24
Speaker 3: Is not safe.
12:26
Speaker 2: Just look at this most recent stabbing and a warning footage,
12:29
Speaker 2: of course is disturbing. It's a stabbing we only know
12:32
Speaker 2: about because footage was leaked online, not because of any
12:35
Speaker 2: official information from the government or the police. This was
12:39
Speaker 2: broad daylight in Melbourne. It was unprovoked, half past seven
12:43
Speaker 2: in the morning, a weekday morning.
12:46
Speaker 3: But it's safe, says the Premiere.
12:48
Speaker 2: So safe that in overall terms, criminal incidents are up
12:52
Speaker 2: eighteen percent during this year. This is a twenty year record.
12:57
Speaker 2: So say the car thefts are up forty two percent,
13:00
Speaker 2: theft up twenty seven percent, and in addition to all
13:03
Speaker 2: of that, there's over three hundred thousand unsolved crimes on
13:07
Speaker 2: the books in Victoria.
13:09
Speaker 3: But again the Premier says Melbourne's safe to work.
13:14
Speaker 4: For hospitality experiences, for retail experiences, for catching up with
13:18
Speaker 4: family and friends. The city is a safe place to
13:21
Speaker 4: continue to do those activities.
13:25
Speaker 3: So not the only clown.
13:27
Speaker 2: Melbourne's Lord Manic Rees says Melbourne safe as well.
13:31
Speaker 6: Well, look, Melbourne is a safe city.
13:36
Speaker 2: I like your nick which are lying through your teeth.
13:39
Speaker 2: No one believes you, nor does someone like this heckler.
13:42
Speaker 2: Have a listen, Please have the least one belief full
13:45
Speaker 2: on that corner all the time.
13:47
Speaker 10: Just scary going in and.
13:49
Speaker 3: It's scary coming out. Just one police all the time.
13:53
Speaker 3: So beyond that, it's very dangerous for us.
13:59
Speaker 2: Because I wrote my hair on column yesterday, someone during
14:02
Speaker 2: the week called her just into.
14:03
Speaker 3: Andrews, and they're right.
14:05
Speaker 2: She's down Andrews in a skirt and just like him,
14:08
Speaker 2: she is responsible for the broken state of Victoria. I'll
14:13
Speaker 2: say it again. If a premier had any decency tonight,
14:16
Speaker 2: she would just resign. All right, let's go to camp now.
14:24
Speaker 2: For the headlines Sky News political reporter Tritty Macintosh.
14:28
Speaker 8: Barnaby Joyce reveals he has spoken to One Nation leader
14:30
Speaker 8: Pauline Hansen, but he won't confirm if he's looking to
14:34
Speaker 8: defect from the Nationals.
14:35
Speaker 5: I'll make my decision in my time. I'm now, as
14:37
Speaker 5: I say, a free agent, and I'm not going to
14:39
Speaker 5: start some of salami slicing off all possible ideas.
14:43
Speaker 11: It's a decision for Barnaby the balls in his court,
14:45
Speaker 11: but as far as the National Party's concern, he's still
14:47
Speaker 11: a member.
14:48
Speaker 12: He's still welcome.
14:49
Speaker 8: The internal turmoil in the coalition once again overshadowing the
14:53
Speaker 8: opposition leader's attempt to get the focus back on policy,
14:56
Speaker 8: promising today to take unspecified income tax cards to the
14:59
Speaker 8: next election.
15:00
Speaker 12: Some people are saying to me, why are you even
15:02
Speaker 12: talking about this now? You should wait until much closer
15:04
Speaker 12: to the election and then you can say something more
15:06
Speaker 12: in more detail. I believe what I've outlined today is quite.
15:10
Speaker 3: A bold approach. We will have.
15:13
Speaker 12: Personal income tax cuts at the next election. It's not
15:17
Speaker 12: an aspiration, it's actually a well we need to see
15:21
Speaker 12: what the state of the budget is.
15:22
Speaker 13: And the Prime Minister has touchdown in Washington preparing for
15:25
Speaker 13: his talks with Donald Trump at the White House. Arriving
15:28
Speaker 13: at a soggy Maryland's Joint Bass Andrews Anthony Albinezi greeted
15:33
Speaker 13: on the tarmac by former PM and Ambassador Kevin Rudd.
15:36
Speaker 8: The talks did you just start? Two am Eastern daylight time?
15:40
Speaker 8: Trudy McIntosh Sky News, Canberra.
15:44
Speaker 3: There is a lot to get across. Let's bring my
15:46
Speaker 3: panel to do that now.
15:47
Speaker 2: One Nation Cheap of staff James Ashby and senior fellow
15:50
Speaker 2: at the Men's Research Santa Nick cat As.
15:54
Speaker 3: I said a lot of.
15:55
Speaker 2: Issues and James, I'm putting you on notice. You are
15:57
Speaker 2: in the hot seat tonight on Barnaby Joyce. But I
16:01
Speaker 2: want to pick up something that's happened to say afternoon
16:03
Speaker 2: in Breaking News. That was the Defense Department's statement. I'll
16:07
Speaker 2: give you what it read. It said, the Australian Government
16:09
Speaker 2: has expressed its concerns to the Chinese government following the
16:13
Speaker 2: unsafe and unprofessional interaction with the People's Liberation Army Air
16:17
Speaker 2: Force aircraft.
16:19
Speaker 3: We're now told.
16:20
Speaker 2: That the incident reportedly happened yesterday a Chinese fighter jet
16:24
Speaker 2: releasing flares in very close proximity to a RAF aircraft
16:29
Speaker 2: over the South China seat. He was Defense Minister Richard
16:32
Speaker 2: Miles addressing the issue a little earlier.
16:34
Speaker 1: But on two occasions it released flares very close to
16:38
Speaker 1: the P eight and it's really that the proximity at
16:41
Speaker 1: which the flares were released which has given us cause
16:45
Speaker 1: to deem this unsafe and unprofessional. We have made representations
16:50
Speaker 1: to the Chinese embassy here in Canberra, and indeed our
16:53
Speaker 1: embassy has also made representations in Beijing.
16:59
Speaker 3: James Howe off.
17:00
Speaker 2: And does this need to happen before we take it
17:02
Speaker 2: with a seriousness.
17:03
Speaker 3: We absolutely must.
17:08
Speaker 7: Well, this is a government that thinks that China is
17:10
Speaker 7: our friend. It's clearly not. And to put it into perspective,
17:13
Speaker 7: a P eight is about the equivalent of a seven
17:15
Speaker 7: three seven. They're made by Boeing, so they're just deliberately
17:19
Speaker 7: made for the defense force, and I think we're one
17:21
Speaker 7: of three countries that actually use these.
17:24
Speaker 3: They're used for.
17:24
Speaker 7: Maritime surveillance, so it's not as though they're a war aircraft. Yes,
17:28
Speaker 7: they might be painted gray, but at the end of
17:31
Speaker 7: the day, they're pretty docile aircraft and two fireflares, yes,
17:35
Speaker 7: it puts our offense personnel at risk because one of
17:39
Speaker 7: those could go into the engine of one of those
17:41
Speaker 7: aircraft and it could mean the end of so many
17:43
Speaker 7: of our brave men and women who get up there.
17:45
Speaker 7: And as I say, we're not at war with China.
17:48
Speaker 7: We're simply doing what we normally do in all parts
17:51
Speaker 7: of the globe, and they've taken this hostile action against US, and.
17:57
Speaker 2: Nick I reckon it's probably got a lot to do
17:59
Speaker 2: with the meeting tomorrow in Washington and as show of
18:03
Speaker 2: strength here by China.
18:06
Speaker 14: Well, if anything, this should sharpen minds in the White
18:10
Speaker 14: House tomorrow because this is the number one strategic foreign issue.
18:16
Speaker 14: Foreign policy issue for the United States is China. The
18:20
Speaker 14: number one strategic foreign policy issue for US is China.
18:24
Speaker 14: There's nothing more important than our relationship with the United States.
18:28
Speaker 14: I think that the United States and Donald Trump will
18:31
Speaker 14: be inclined to be very, very helpful. Hopefully we'll see
18:35
Speaker 14: some confirmation of the orchestrale. But it's so important that
18:39
Speaker 14: we keep recognizing that the US is our number one
18:42
Speaker 14: ally and sure we can continue to trade up to
18:46
Speaker 14: a point with China. But I think alban Easy really
18:49
Speaker 14: needs to redress, rebalance his foreign policy outlook towards the
18:54
Speaker 14: United States. Tomorrow's his chance to do that.
18:58
Speaker 3: Let's go to the National Park News.
19:00
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Barnaby Joyce announcing he will not contest
19:04
Speaker 2: his New South Wales Lower House seat of New England
19:07
Speaker 2: for the Nationals. He says, Leu O'Brien. This is another
19:10
Speaker 2: colleague in Central Queensland is also threatening to quit over
19:13
Speaker 2: the issue of zero. I mean, James Ashbitty, you first
19:16
Speaker 2: confirmation today that Barnaby Joyce has spoken to Paul led Hanson.
19:21
Speaker 2: I don't think that's breaking news. Their good mates have
19:24
Speaker 2: known each other a long time. There are reports of
19:27
Speaker 2: the Nine Papers though, that they are in advanced talks
19:31
Speaker 2: for him to join one Nation. He's pretty cagey about this.
19:35
Speaker 2: He's not retiring from politics. He's just saying he will
19:38
Speaker 2: not run for the Nationals in that seat. To me,
19:41
Speaker 2: that means he's keeping his options open. But you've got
19:45
Speaker 2: the rails run here. You know what's really going on? Well,
19:48
Speaker 2: what can you tell us?
19:52
Speaker 7: Well, let's face it, the coalition's policies are about as
19:55
Speaker 7: popular as Prince Andrew these days, and this is why
19:58
Speaker 7: so many people are abandoning National Party they're struggling to
20:02
Speaker 7: get members. I know that the biggest challenge for a
20:05
Speaker 7: lot of those within the conservative ranks of the Coalition
20:09
Speaker 7: have had their challenges both with Susan Lee and with
20:11
Speaker 7: David Little Proud when it comes to the net zero policy,
20:16
Speaker 7: and Barnaby, I think, to his credit, has had enough.
20:18
Speaker 7: There's only so long you can keep banging your head
20:20
Speaker 7: against a brick Wallpeter, you know, but unlike they're all
20:23
Speaker 7: family who had the decency to get rid of Prince
20:27
Speaker 7: Andrew because he was just toxic, this coalition government will
20:31
Speaker 7: not get rid of their toxic policies. And so what
20:35
Speaker 7: is a person like Barnaby, Joyce and so many of
20:37
Speaker 7: the James you know the speculation might leave?
20:41
Speaker 10: Yeah?
20:43
Speaker 3: Is this brinkmanship though? I mean?
20:45
Speaker 2: Is he making this statement to force the Coalition to
20:50
Speaker 2: do what they should and they all know that. They
20:52
Speaker 2: tell you privately that they've all got to get out
20:53
Speaker 2: of net zero, but they've yet.
20:55
Speaker 3: To make that public move. Is this about.
20:58
Speaker 2: Brickmanship to force their hand or do you genuinely think
21:02
Speaker 2: he is open to leaving the party and joining one Nation?
21:08
Speaker 7: Well, I don't think Barnaby has hollow threats. I think
21:12
Speaker 7: he's made it very clear now for some time. I
21:14
Speaker 7: know when he was leader of the National Party, because
21:16
Speaker 7: I've had to go with himself over the fact that
21:18
Speaker 7: the National Party did support net zero at a time
21:21
Speaker 7: when Scott Morrison flew over to suggested that he was
21:26
Speaker 7: with this.
21:27
Speaker 3: He was leader and yeah, correct.
21:29
Speaker 7: But you know what came from that was that, unfortunately
21:33
Speaker 7: he tried to lobby against net zero within the party
21:36
Speaker 7: room and the overwhelming number supported it because of David
21:40
Speaker 7: Little Proud. Now he has argued against that, like Matt Canavan,
21:43
Speaker 7: like you know, Colin Boyce and even Lewi Brian. I
21:47
Speaker 7: know that they've all had a lot to say within
21:50
Speaker 7: the party room, but you know, this is a party
21:53
Speaker 7: room that no longer wants him. Prior to the last election,
21:56
Speaker 7: I know it was not publicized very well, but he
21:59
Speaker 7: was asked to leave the National Party. He was asked
22:01
Speaker 7: by both leaders of the coalition at that stage to leave.
22:06
Speaker 7: I don't know why he stayed on. I thought he
22:08
Speaker 7: you know, I thought they sunk the boot into him
22:11
Speaker 7: enough back then. I think he's tried to hold in
22:14
Speaker 7: there for the purpose of his people and for the
22:17
Speaker 7: purpose of getting policy right for this country. But we've
22:21
Speaker 7: seen the coalition ignore the wishes of the majority of
22:24
Speaker 7: conservative voters out there, and that is why they're coming
22:26
Speaker 7: to us. And on another point, if they so dearly
22:28
Speaker 7: wanted to keep him Peter, why are they knifing him today?
22:31
Speaker 7: Why are they knifing him? Why are they backgrounding journalists
22:35
Speaker 7: and suggesting that there's all this previous Who are between
22:39
Speaker 7: Paul and Hansen and him in the past.
22:43
Speaker 3: Oh, of course I do.
22:44
Speaker 7: But you can't say you want to keep him, well,
22:47
Speaker 7: you're knife and him behind the scenes.
22:51
Speaker 3: I'll bring people in at home on that.
22:52
Speaker 2: The reason why they would be doing that because they
22:54
Speaker 2: would be concerned, the coalition, particularly the National Party, that
22:58
Speaker 2: he will be a dead weapon in regional and rural
23:01
Speaker 2: seats if he wants to join One Nation. Before I
23:04
Speaker 2: bring in Nikata just quickly. You know, you've been around
23:07
Speaker 2: One Nation a very, very long time. We've often talked
23:10
Speaker 2: about what happens when Paul and Hanson eventually retires. I've
23:13
Speaker 2: asked you about Lee Hanson, her daughter. You say it's
23:16
Speaker 2: probably too early for her to assume the leadership, and anyway,
23:19
Speaker 2: it's it's not an hereditary job like it might be
23:23
Speaker 2: in the UK. But do you want to see him
23:26
Speaker 2: as the leader of one nation? Has he got what
23:28
Speaker 2: it takes to lead one nation?
23:33
Speaker 7: Look, there's so many premature I guess calls been made
23:40
Speaker 7: by the media.
23:41
Speaker 3: Straight answer, James Ashby, don't.
23:45
Speaker 7: I'll give you this straight answer. Look, I'll tell you this, Peter.
23:48
Speaker 7: I'd happily welcome him. I've said that to him point blank.
23:50
Speaker 7: I've said it to his wife as well. I'd encourage
23:52
Speaker 7: them both to join the party, and I would encourage
23:55
Speaker 7: anyone who is sick to death of the coalition that
23:58
Speaker 7: is in a seat, don't retire, don't get out, come
24:02
Speaker 7: over to us. We can And I take it up
24:05
Speaker 7: on something you said. We can't win government, neither can
24:07
Speaker 7: your mom. At this moment, Peter, We've got more chance
24:10
Speaker 7: of winning government than the coalition. You know, it's unlikely
24:15
Speaker 7: they can win government for the next three terms. I
24:17
Speaker 7: think One Nation has a damn good chance. And now
24:20
Speaker 7: you know Barnaby does make that decision to come across.
24:23
Speaker 7: We'll have somebody with the experience as deputy Prime Minister
24:26
Speaker 7: in the past that can project and certainly take us,
24:30
Speaker 7: catapult us down in that direction of taking government in
24:33
Speaker 7: the future.
24:35
Speaker 3: All Right, Nikata.
24:36
Speaker 2: I think too many people on the center right side
24:38
Speaker 2: of politics have drunk the reform Nigel Farage kool aid
24:42
Speaker 2: because the big difference between Australia and the UK's you
24:45
Speaker 2: know well is they've got first past the post, which
24:48
Speaker 2: could put one nation you in with a chance up
24:51
Speaker 2: against the National Party.
24:53
Speaker 3: We don't have that here.
24:54
Speaker 2: We have preferences, and if the Right starts to splinter,
24:58
Speaker 2: all that's going to do is lock in labor for
25:01
Speaker 2: yet more time in office.
25:05
Speaker 14: Yeah, the best option for this country is that the
25:08
Speaker 14: Liberal Party finds a firm policy on immigration and net
25:14
Speaker 14: zero that will satisfy both sides of the party, and
25:17
Speaker 14: they then enter into a coalition with the Nationals and
25:20
Speaker 14: they fight as hard as they can to win the
25:23
Speaker 14: next election. Obviously that's the best solution. But if they
25:27
Speaker 14: can't come to that position, if they can't accommodate both
25:30
Speaker 14: sides of the party, then I fear that what we've
25:32
Speaker 14: seen with Barnaby Joyce is just a foretaste of what
25:35
Speaker 14: we're going to see for the next few years. This
25:37
Speaker 14: is the realignment of fracturing of the center right because
25:40
Speaker 14: there are so many voters out there who feel unserved
25:43
Speaker 14: by the two major parties, particularly in seaks like Barnaby's
25:46
Speaker 14: in New England where they have a heavy problem with
25:49
Speaker 14: renewable energy. Plus all the alb and Easy government is
25:53
Speaker 14: doing with the environment which will impact farmers. So there
25:57
Speaker 14: is red hot anger in those districts and I think
26:00
Speaker 14: Barnaby Joyce is reacting to that. And unless the Coalition
26:03
Speaker 14: can embrace that side of Australia, the big vast part
26:08
Speaker 14: of Australia, which is not in the eastern suburbs of
26:10
Speaker 14: Sydney or the eastern suburbs of Melbourne, then this is
26:13
Speaker 14: going to occur. So it's just a reminder they've got
26:15
Speaker 14: to get their act together.
26:18
Speaker 3: So Nick, just just on that point.
26:20
Speaker 2: Susan Lead's out there today is saying, you know, we've
26:22
Speaker 2: got to have all that, We will have all of
26:23
Speaker 2: these policies. You're announcing sort of an economic and tax
26:27
Speaker 2: strategy today with the party. We are the voters waiting
26:31
Speaker 2: for an announcement in relation to net zero. We know
26:34
Speaker 2: they won't back the twenty thirty five targets. I think
26:37
Speaker 2: if you can't back twenty thirty five, you certainly can't
26:39
Speaker 2: back twenty forty and twenty fifty. Everyone you, and I
26:43
Speaker 2: know tells you privately. They think that this has got
26:46
Speaker 2: to go. They've got a jettison net zero by twenty fifty.
26:50
Speaker 2: If they don't, though, what happens to the coalition? Nick,
26:55
Speaker 2: Because it won't just be Barnaby who walks out in.
26:58
Speaker 14: The door, No, it wurn't. I think there will be
27:02
Speaker 14: a major realignment on the right of politics. There will
27:05
Speaker 14: be people leaving both major parties and going who knows where.
27:09
Speaker 14: One nation is doing very well at the moment. But
27:11
Speaker 14: you know, with respect to James, not because they put
27:14
Speaker 14: any great credible policies forward in the last three years,
27:17
Speaker 14: but just because they are not the Liberal or the
27:19
Speaker 14: National Party. So that's exactly what I think. That's true, James.
27:23
Speaker 14: I think people are people sending the membership going to
27:27
Speaker 14: one nation if you're wasting a stamp, listen. People are
27:33
Speaker 14: looking for any home that is that is conservative and
27:37
Speaker 14: with a strong leader like Pauline Hanson, who knows what
27:40
Speaker 14: she's talking about, she's consistent. That's what they're looking for.
27:44
Speaker 14: But they need to find that within the within the
27:48
Speaker 14: within the within the Liberal and National parties. So it's
27:50
Speaker 14: up to the leaders of both those parties to lift
27:52
Speaker 14: their game.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that point. I've said
27:57
Speaker 2: this many times. The clarity of her message, the simplicity,
28:01
Speaker 2: the consistency that cuts through is what in this modern
28:06
Speaker 2: age of the politician who runs out the lines written
28:09
Speaker 2: by their staff is what people are desperate for. That's
28:12
Speaker 2: why they're attracted to Farage, That's why people have fallen
28:16
Speaker 2: in behind Trump, and he's got an audience all around
28:18
Speaker 2: the world. And I guess this is the challenge for
28:21
Speaker 2: the Coalition. I mean, they could see off paul and
28:24
Speaker 2: Hanson when Abbott was there with clear lines and dinner
28:26
Speaker 2: with Howard, when Howard got his head around Pauline after
28:30
Speaker 2: she left the party. This is the challenge for the
28:33
Speaker 2: coalition because right now you've got no idea, you know,
28:36
Speaker 2: no idea what they stand for, and they've got no
28:38
Speaker 2: policies out there to color in the edges either. James,
28:43
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about this fight that I'm
28:44
Speaker 2: watching go on about the Defense honors rulings.
28:49
Speaker 3: So this will be the.
28:50
Speaker 2: Ban on any consideration of a defense honor, a VC honor,
28:58
Speaker 2: a meritorious class, any sort of recognition of defense service.
29:03
Speaker 2: And if the consideration isn't within twenty years of the
29:07
Speaker 2: act of valor, then it will be scrapped. You won't
29:09
Speaker 2: be able to have any opportunity to go back, even
29:13
Speaker 2: if there's new information that comes to like two things
29:16
Speaker 2: here for me, what's the problem they're trying to fix.
29:19
Speaker 2: I can't see what that is. And two we always
29:24
Speaker 2: say lest we forget, but labour now saying well, yeah,
29:29
Speaker 2: after twenty years you must forget. We will forget and
29:31
Speaker 2: will not give them another go to have the valor recognized.
29:35
Speaker 3: Do you think this is going to get up?
29:39
Speaker 7: That's a really good point you make. Look for my
29:42
Speaker 7: experience with defense people, they're very humble. They're not looking
29:45
Speaker 7: for medals when they sign up. But it's often after
29:48
Speaker 7: they've retired from the force, or whether that be just
29:53
Speaker 7: they're out or they're retired through injury. They don't really
29:55
Speaker 7: talk about their time until many years later, and often
30:00
Speaker 7: it's family or friends who know them over time that
30:05
Speaker 7: you really get into the depths of the work that
30:08
Speaker 7: they did do in deployment and especially in hotbed zones.
30:12
Speaker 7: They're the things that you and I take for granted.
30:14
Speaker 7: We look, I don't want to ever put a use
30:18
Speaker 7: by data on this or a period where we just
30:22
Speaker 7: can't recognize people in the future. Often history has a
30:25
Speaker 7: way of coming out over time, and I think some
30:28
Speaker 7: of those people should be rewarded. As I say, they're
30:30
Speaker 7: very humble. They don't go around saying I did this,
30:32
Speaker 7: I did that. It's only over time that people reveal
30:36
Speaker 7: the true efforts that people went to to save lives
30:40
Speaker 7: in this country and saved the lives of many in
30:42
Speaker 7: other countries as well.
30:46
Speaker 2: Let's go just quickly, nick aec returns. Electoral Commission really
30:50
Speaker 2: started today. This is about donations made during the May
30:53
Speaker 2: federal election. Now I would say it's interesting, but it's
30:57
Speaker 2: not surprising. Disclosures from Climate two hundred confirmation today nearly
31:02
Speaker 2: eleven million dollars worth of donations during the campaign. Alex
31:07
Speaker 2: Dyson who tried to unseat Dan teen in the Victorian
31:10
Speaker 2: set of one, and he received over two million dollars.
31:13
Speaker 2: Monique Ryan they're in the seat of Couyong one point
31:17
Speaker 2: nine million, a leg respender, Sophie Scamps one point seven million.
31:22
Speaker 3: Both any surprises.
31:23
Speaker 14: Here, well, I just think that this Climate two hundred
31:27
Speaker 14: injection of money and other money from the renewable energy
31:31
Speaker 14: industry has just inflated the cost of electioneering here out
31:36
Speaker 14: of control. Luckily there are now going to be caps
31:38
Speaker 14: on this for the next election. But just think of it, Peter,
31:41
Speaker 14: two million dollars plus, because presuming the other people put
31:44
Speaker 14: in to fight a campaign in one and you know,
31:48
Speaker 14: three elections ago, you would have thought two hundred thousand
31:50
Speaker 14: was a pretty generous sum of money for a campaign
31:53
Speaker 14: like this. And this is all this money that's coming
31:56
Speaker 14: in from the TiAl side of politics they have. They
32:00
Speaker 14: are basically buying elections, buying candidates, buying places in Parliament
32:05
Speaker 14: by just spending huge amounts of money. And of course
32:08
Speaker 14: that's only what you see on the surface. There's a
32:11
Speaker 14: lot more being spent behind the scenes which we don't
32:14
Speaker 14: get to see. So I think the cap is a
32:16
Speaker 14: great idea. But I think the arrival of this American
32:19
Speaker 14: style moneyed politics into America is a very very bad development.
32:26
Speaker 3: Industralia.
32:27
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Nikata, thank you, James Ashby, you did very well,
32:31
Speaker 2: very well you.
32:31
Speaker 3: And iisen straight with me tonight. Thank you very much mate.
32:34
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, left wing protesters attack police
32:37
Speaker 2: with rocks and glass. But the cinerel and you've heard her,
32:40
Speaker 2: Melbourne's safe. She says Victorian Opposition leader Brad Batton joins
32:44
Speaker 2: me after the break plus, a big test for the
32:46
Speaker 2: PM is in the US. He's got the Oval Office
32:49
Speaker 2: showdown tomorrow. I'll speak to a professor of US politics
32:54
Speaker 2: coming up. Welcome back, coming out the latter scandal plaguing
33:01
Speaker 2: in the Royals, and the author says that Prince Andrews
33:04
Speaker 2: should have been cast out long long ago. But verse
33:08
Speaker 2: back to the mineral deal sealed over an art with
33:10
Speaker 2: the Australian Prime Minister and the US President side by side.
33:12
Speaker 3: Of course, in Washington.
33:14
Speaker 2: Angus Barker is the chairman of Rare Earth Australia and
33:18
Speaker 2: he's already taken a close look at the fine print
33:20
Speaker 2: out of Washington. He joins me now and goes welcome.
33:23
Speaker 2: Let's start with the basics for those who don't necessarily
33:27
Speaker 2: understand what we're talking about here. Rare earths are a
33:31
Speaker 2: term used alongside critical minerals. One's a subset of the other,
33:36
Speaker 2: So explain the detail here. And while rare earths, from
33:39
Speaker 2: what I've read, aren't technically rare, getting them out of
33:43
Speaker 2: the ground and getting them processed for use isn't easy,
33:47
Speaker 2: and that's the issue isn't it.
33:52
Speaker 11: Yes, we're in the position we are today because China,
33:56
Speaker 11: over thirty years of very patient industrial policy plus coercive
34:03
Speaker 11: use of pricing at times to squash incipient competition, has
34:08
Speaker 11: put themselves in a position where they have a stranglehold
34:11
Speaker 11: on these elements that in particular go into magnets, high
34:16
Speaker 11: strength magnets that make all of our modern economy work
34:20
Speaker 11: better and more efficiently. So whether it's your air conditioning
34:23
Speaker 11: unit at home, robots, drones, medical devices, obviously some military applications, evs,
34:30
Speaker 11: wind turbines. In all of those places where we have
34:34
Speaker 11: a small but powerful magnet, or even a large one
34:37
Speaker 11: in some cases, they're are raress involved. And that's why
34:41
Speaker 11: even in the US they've been described as the physical
34:45
Speaker 11: manifestation of AI looking forward, because for robots and drones
34:49
Speaker 11: in particular, they will be essential.
34:53
Speaker 3: Well.
34:54
Speaker 2: Okay, in terms of the countries with big deposits of
34:56
Speaker 2: these rarest and critical minerals, where do we rank.
35:03
Speaker 11: Australia has a good potential in the area. China came
35:08
Speaker 11: to dominate it in large part because some decades ago
35:14
Speaker 11: they discovered in the south of China clay hosted deposits
35:20
Speaker 11: which were much more simple to mine and process than
35:24
Speaker 11: what we would traditionally call the hard rock sort of deposits.
35:28
Speaker 11: There was an excellent hard rock deposit in the US
35:30
Speaker 11: at Mountain Pass in California that was almost put out
35:34
Speaker 11: of business by the Chinese because of the nature of
35:36
Speaker 11: these deposits. We have in Australia a very good hard
35:40
Speaker 11: rock deposit, the one you mentioned earlier, owned by Linus
35:42
Speaker 11: at Mount Wild. It's a very high grade deposit, relatively
35:46
Speaker 11: enriched more in what we call the light rus and
35:48
Speaker 11: the heavy rusts, which are used in high temperature magnets.
35:52
Speaker 11: But Australia and the US collectively host the only two
35:57
Speaker 11: operating mines currently outside of and there's one small one
36:01
Speaker 11: in Brazil.
36:04
Speaker 2: Have we got an opportunity here not just to have
36:06
Speaker 2: them dug out of the ground, Angus, but to process
36:09
Speaker 2: the min Australia to value ad here. If we are
36:13
Speaker 2: what's involved in making that an industry for Australia.
36:19
Speaker 11: Well, I think our place in this is going to
36:21
Speaker 11: be as we've seen in many many other commodities. Australia's place,
36:27
Speaker 11: our brand is we are the twenty four to seven
36:31
Speaker 11: three sixty five day a year ultra reliable supplier of
36:34
Speaker 11: the energy and minerals the world's needs. That's the thing
36:38
Speaker 11: that China has now put at risk in their own dominance,
36:42
Speaker 11: because that's a one shot game what they've just done, right,
36:46
Speaker 11: They did it in twenty and eleven with Japan and
36:50
Speaker 11: the world went back to sleep. They sort of forgot
36:52
Speaker 11: about it. Japan didn't. They funded Linus because they knew
36:56
Speaker 11: they needed secure supply, but in Europe and the US
36:59
Speaker 11: they didn't do anything about it at that point. Now,
37:03
Speaker 11: with what China did first in April to restrict supply
37:06
Speaker 11: and now double down on that a bit over a
37:09
Speaker 11: week ago, they've woken the US up in a major way.
37:14
Speaker 11: And so I think you can see that they are
37:16
Speaker 11: now determined to set up durable, bifurcated price regimes so
37:23
Speaker 11: that never again are they going to be put in
37:24
Speaker 11: that position. Now, this will take some time to build out,
37:28
Speaker 11: because minds take time to build and these can be
37:31
Speaker 11: very large investments over a period of years. Australia's place
37:35
Speaker 11: in that is likely to be to produce the feedstocks,
37:38
Speaker 11: and in some cases that might be a mixed earth carbonate,
37:41
Speaker 11: which is what Linus produces at calgoli or in some
37:45
Speaker 11: cases it could be separated at oxides, which is what
37:48
Speaker 11: another company I Luka is planning to produce from a
37:51
Speaker 11: refiner at any Abba, which the Australian government is now
37:54
Speaker 11: funding through their Critical Minerals Facility. In both cases, though
38:00
Speaker 11: product will go offshore as an intermediate interput into ultimately
38:05
Speaker 11: products that are smelted into rare earth metals, alloyed and
38:10
Speaker 11: ultimately turned into magnets. Because you know, the big manufacturing
38:14
Speaker 11: bases for this are either are going to be found
38:18
Speaker 11: in the US, in Europe, in Japan, in Korea, potentially
38:21
Speaker 11: parts of Southeast Asia. So our places always is being
38:25
Speaker 11: the reliable piece of a global supply chain.
38:30
Speaker 3: HiPE.
38:31
Speaker 2: Everyone at home is alearn a bit there because I
38:33
Speaker 2: know it's been a buzzword for many weeks. We now
38:35
Speaker 2: understand its potential for the future obviously, and how important
38:40
Speaker 2: is strategically. I know you've had a lot to do
38:43
Speaker 2: with what happened overnight in Washington, so all credit to
38:45
Speaker 2: youth to as well angus, and let's see if we
38:48
Speaker 2: can do something with this big win. Thank you for
38:50
Speaker 2: your time tonight or after the break. Prince Andrew has
38:53
Speaker 2: relinquished his royal titles. But we've got all the other
38:55
Speaker 2: trappings that the multimillion dollar mansion that we now learn
39:00
Speaker 2: moving in basically for free. That's the been used today
39:03
Speaker 2: in London. Let's go after the break to London for
39:06
Speaker 2: the latest. Plus the crime wave in Victoria that's now
39:10
Speaker 2: got labor under pressure. But what about this speculation today
39:14
Speaker 2: about the liberal leadership that's coming out. Welcome back to
39:22
Speaker 2: be introduced in Victoria. We've learned that there'll be now
39:25
Speaker 2: bans on masks. We called that last night, didn't we
39:28
Speaker 2: And a whole lot of other stuff relating to protests,
39:30
Speaker 2: but nothing about a permit system and now extra powers
39:34
Speaker 2: for police.
39:34
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in the moment.
39:35
Speaker 2: First, the new book about Prince Andrew out this week
39:39
Speaker 2: that is going gangbusters, and it's been labeled the most
39:42
Speaker 2: damaging unauthorized royal biography ever. It examines the lives of
39:47
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew and his former wife Sarah Ferguson, including the
39:50
Speaker 2: business dealings of both his military background and those torrid
39:54
Speaker 2: leaks with Jeffrey Epstein. Andrew Lowney joins me now he's
39:58
Speaker 2: the author of Entitled and Fall at the House of York,
40:02
Speaker 2: and he joins me now from London. Well, I tell
40:05
Speaker 2: you what, Andrew, your timing is exquisite. That book has
40:08
Speaker 2: landed and with it a whole lot of emails that
40:11
Speaker 2: show the ongoing links between the royal couple and of
40:16
Speaker 2: course Jeffrey Epstein.
40:18
Speaker 3: Despite all those.
40:18
Speaker 2: Public denials at the time and since the publication of
40:22
Speaker 2: your book. He was the Duke of course now forced
40:25
Speaker 2: to relinquish all of his titles last week.
40:28
Speaker 3: But it hasn't gone away, has it.
40:31
Speaker 2: No.
40:31
Speaker 10: I think they're going to be further more damaging revelations
40:33
Speaker 10: about him. From the States. Maxwell seems to be leaking material,
40:39
Speaker 10: but I think also from other victims coming forward. We
40:43
Speaker 10: have Virginia Jeffrey's book, I'm updating my own book entitled
40:47
Speaker 10: for next Summer. I do think that the Palace has
40:51
Speaker 10: responded too little, too late to this. I mean, he
40:54
Speaker 10: has titles are actually only in the Beans, and I
40:57
Speaker 10: think he needs to be stripped of them. I think
41:00
Speaker 10: also what's been revealed is not just that his relationship
41:02
Speaker 10: with Epstein began earlier, lasted longer, and was much deeper
41:05
Speaker 10: than people thought, but actually that he was trying to
41:08
Speaker 10: smear her by using taxpayer funded policeman to investigate her,
41:13
Speaker 10: and I think that's the criminal offense. And I think
41:15
Speaker 10: there are now grounds for him to be investigated by
41:18
Speaker 10: the police here, and so it's not looking good for him.
41:21
Speaker 10: He's on the ropes.
41:24
Speaker 2: And will he be investigated by the police, do you
41:26
Speaker 2: think formally?
41:28
Speaker 10: Well, I hope so. I mean there have been several
41:31
Speaker 10: quests in the past the police have claimed they did something,
41:33
Speaker 10: but nothing really happened, and they've refused to tell me
41:36
Speaker 10: through Friden Innovation requests whether they actually did investigate him.
41:40
Speaker 10: There's a separate matter his time as a Special Trade
41:42
Speaker 10: Envoy between two thousand and one and twenty eleven. I
41:45
Speaker 10: think there's a lot of examples there of him abusing
41:47
Speaker 10: his positions public position. It was taxpayer funded again, and
41:51
Speaker 10: I think their grants there for the National Crime Agency
41:54
Speaker 10: so separately to investigate him. So I think he's in
41:57
Speaker 10: real trouble. This is the first time, of course, remember
41:59
Speaker 10: the Row family has actually been investigated by the police
42:03
Speaker 10: and with the possibility of being put on trial.
42:07
Speaker 2: What's interesting, you know, we look at Mega Markle and
42:09
Speaker 2: Prince Harrow and we've called them the grifters here in Australia,
42:12
Speaker 2: But I mean, Hey and Fergie are the original grifters.
42:16
Speaker 3: There's long been question.
42:17
Speaker 2: Marks over his source of wealth, the fact that he
42:20
Speaker 2: lives in the Royal Lodge, the old home of the
42:22
Speaker 2: Queen Mum, and doesn't appear to have any means of support.
42:25
Speaker 2: We've learnt today now that Crown Estates has released that
42:29
Speaker 2: lease that basically he's paying nothing. Is that going to
42:33
Speaker 2: be the end of that relationship? How much does this
42:35
Speaker 2: damage the King? And I know you've said this publicly elsewhere,
42:40
Speaker 2: but you say he should have gone a long time ago.
42:44
Speaker 2: Why has he been able to hang on thus far?
42:48
Speaker 10: Well, he's been able to hang on because a Royal Lodge,
42:51
Speaker 10: because because of the lease, which is pretty ironclad. But
42:55
Speaker 10: he you know, he says he wants to put country
42:57
Speaker 10: in monarchy first. Well, if that's the case, then you
42:59
Speaker 10: should volunt sorily leave Royal Lodge. But you're actually, you're
43:02
Speaker 10: absolutely right. There was a cozy relationship with the Crown
43:05
Speaker 10: of States for him to take over Royal Lodge. It
43:08
Speaker 10: wasn't open to the wider market as it should have been.
43:10
Speaker 10: I think the King is very sentimental. He has given
43:14
Speaker 10: him basically all this has been window dressing, and I
43:17
Speaker 10: think they really need to get a group of this
43:19
Speaker 10: situation because my own feeling is historian is this is
43:22
Speaker 10: the most serious crisis for the monarchy since the abdication
43:25
Speaker 10: crisis in nineteen thirty six. You know, this is now
43:29
Speaker 10: pinging on the reputational management of the monarchy as a whole.
43:35
Speaker 2: Well, and I don't think it's going to get it easier.
43:37
Speaker 2: Should there be King William who seems to have no
43:40
Speaker 2: love loss for his uncle. I'll leave it there, Andrew,
43:42
Speaker 2: I cannot put your book down. I'm delighted to have
43:44
Speaker 2: you on the program tonight.
43:45
Speaker 3: Thank you.
43:47
Speaker 2: After the break, the premiere in says Melbourne safe pictures
43:49
Speaker 2: tell another story. But this ban on face coverings, talk
43:53
Speaker 2: about window dressing as we just did.
43:55
Speaker 3: Then this is that and then some after the break.
44:03
Speaker 3: All right, lots of issues to get across.
44:04
Speaker 2: That's bringing my panel our former Liberal MP Naicole Flint,
44:07
Speaker 2: an author at The Spectator, Terry Barnes. Let's go to
44:10
Speaker 2: these laws of Victorian government is looking to introduce into
44:13
Speaker 2: the Parliament which.
44:14
Speaker 3: Will ban face coverings.
44:16
Speaker 2: I've argued for that for some time, and to stop
44:18
Speaker 2: protesters from gluing themselves or chaining themselves to structures.
44:23
Speaker 3: I don't know about this, Terry.
44:24
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, this is important, but there's nothing in
44:27
Speaker 2: this legislation about a permit system, all powers for police
44:32
Speaker 2: that every expert is saying must now happen.
44:37
Speaker 15: And don't forget, Peter, that these changes are actually promised
44:41
Speaker 15: the best part of twelve months ago after the synagogue
44:44
Speaker 15: arson attack. So where has the government been? But certainly, look,
44:48
Speaker 15: I think there should be permits. I think the right
44:51
Speaker 15: to protest is one thing, but I think you have
44:52
Speaker 15: to make sure that protests are safe and they don't
44:55
Speaker 15: disrupt other people, and certainly that they're not violent as
44:58
Speaker 15: we saw here in Melbourne on sun. So I would
45:02
Speaker 15: like to see the government do that, but I would
45:03
Speaker 15: like to see the Opposition commit to it too, because
45:05
Speaker 15: they've balked on permits. I just think they really need
45:08
Speaker 15: to get strong, get up and show Victorians that they
45:11
Speaker 15: actually care about all Victorians, not just about a few
45:13
Speaker 15: rebel rousing protesters.
45:17
Speaker 3: I spoke to Bret Batten last night.
45:18
Speaker 2: He had permits on the table very clearly, so perhaps
45:22
Speaker 2: there's been a change of heart. But what do you
45:23
Speaker 2: make of speculation, Terry? I know you live in Melbourne,
45:26
Speaker 2: you're close to the party speculation around his leadership because
45:29
Speaker 2: I'm hearing a fair amount of talk.
45:32
Speaker 3: From lots of different sources.
45:34
Speaker 2: That they might try and roll him in the next
45:37
Speaker 2: few months, that they're that unhappy. Now, surely that's the
45:40
Speaker 2: fast track way to lose the next election.
45:44
Speaker 15: Well, surely there has been a bit of chatter since
45:46
Speaker 15: the leader Brad Batten reshuffled his Shadow ministry fortnite or
45:52
Speaker 15: so ago, and there is a lot of dissatisfaction there.
45:56
Speaker 15: There are war losers and winners, I think. But look
45:59
Speaker 15: when it comes to it, Peter, there is no alternative
46:03
Speaker 15: at the moment. There's no ready to go alternatives to
46:05
Speaker 15: Brad Batman. My view, I think he needs time to
46:08
Speaker 15: sink all swim, and he's entitled to at least three
46:11
Speaker 15: to six months. But people talk about the new shadow
46:14
Speaker 15: Treasurer of Jess Wilson. I think she is good, but
46:16
Speaker 15: she needs time to season. It is not her time yet.
46:20
Speaker 15: You can't recycle an old leader like Matthew Guy and
46:23
Speaker 15: I can't see anybody else ready to step up.
46:27
Speaker 3: No, we can't.
46:28
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, let's go to South Australian A Coole, You and
46:31
Speaker 2: I were talking last week about a whole lot of
46:33
Speaker 2: gender issues. We've talked about biological men.
46:36
Speaker 3: In prisons in Victoria.
46:37
Speaker 2: We've also talked about parents being cut out of the
46:42
Speaker 2: transitioning of their children at school without their knowledge. But
46:45
Speaker 2: you've got a firestorm over in South Australia, haven't you
46:48
Speaker 2: regarding a biological man or men in South Australian women's prisons.
46:57
Speaker 16: We certainly do. And it is the disgraceful that Premier
47:01
Speaker 16: Peter Malinowskis has described this issue as a niche issue
47:08
Speaker 16: that no one's interested in. It's utterly offensive to all women,
47:14
Speaker 16: let alone women in crisis. If you have ended up
47:17
Speaker 16: in jail, clearly life is not working.
47:20
Speaker 3: Out particularly well for you.
47:22
Speaker 16: So then to not only be under yourress, find yourself incarcerated,
47:27
Speaker 16: but then have a biological male within the same prison
47:33
Speaker 16: walls and you're unable to leave it is absolutely shocking.
47:37
Speaker 16: So the fact that the Premiere is attempting to sweep
47:40
Speaker 16: this under the carpet, with now a second woman coming
47:44
Speaker 16: forward saying that she was similarly threatened and put at risk,
47:51
Speaker 16: is disgraceful and the Premier needs to take action. Like
47:55
Speaker 16: we saw the Chief Minister in the Northern Territory take
47:59
Speaker 16: decisive action and say no biological men, regardless of whether
48:04
Speaker 16: they have transitioned or not, will be allowed into women's jails.
48:11
Speaker 16: That is the decisive action we need to see here
48:13
Speaker 16: in South Australia. And I want to give full credit
48:16
Speaker 16: to Women's Forum Australia for pushing hard on this, Peter.
48:19
Speaker 16: I know Rachel Wong is on regularly with you.
48:22
Speaker 3: They have led the.
48:23
Speaker 16: Charge on this and we need to see every single
48:26
Speaker 16: state and territory in Australia say no biological men will
48:30
Speaker 16: be allowed in women's jails or in any women's single
48:34
Speaker 16: sex spaces.
48:38
Speaker 2: Would be hurt for the Victorian opposition and other liberals
48:40
Speaker 2: around the country.
48:41
Speaker 3: The fact that it is well known Nicole.
48:42
Speaker 2: Let's go to the twenty seven million dollars that was
48:45
Speaker 2: poured into independent campaigns in the May election.
48:47
Speaker 3: This is the federal election, Terry.
48:49
Speaker 2: We know that eleven million of that was a Climate
48:51
Speaker 2: two hundred money.
48:53
Speaker 3: A lot of these people were running.
48:55
Speaker 2: They were calling themselves and telling the electorate that they
48:57
Speaker 2: were independent.
48:58
Speaker 3: Well we know they weren't. In We know that they
49:01
Speaker 3: were getting money.
49:02
Speaker 2: Out of Climate two hundred and others when are we
49:04
Speaker 2: going to get truth in our political campaigning here?
49:10
Speaker 15: Truth and political advertising.
49:11
Speaker 3: That'll be a new one.
49:12
Speaker 15: But certainly, look, seriously, the Greens are hypocrites. I'm sorry,
49:17
Speaker 15: the Teals hypocrites when it comes to saying, oh, we're clean,
49:20
Speaker 15: we're look at clean hands, clean skins, we behave ourselves,
49:24
Speaker 15: we're ethical. But no, they're quite Have you take money
49:26
Speaker 15: from it where they can get it? No, I'm really
49:28
Speaker 15: taken by this report in the paper today about a
49:32
Speaker 15: funds manager fellow called Fred Willard, who was very generous
49:36
Speaker 15: to the Greens, but the funds that he manages are
49:40
Speaker 15: actually many or much of it is actually drawn from
49:42
Speaker 15: the fossil fuel industry. It goes into fossil fuels. Sore.
49:47
Speaker 15: Where are the standards here? Where's the consistency? Where are
49:50
Speaker 15: the ethics? I mean, these people lecture us, but why
49:53
Speaker 15: can't they actually hold themselves to the same standards they
49:57
Speaker 15: insist everybody else holds to?
50:00
Speaker 2: All right, I agree, where's the ae C though, terry,
50:03
Speaker 2: not just ethics and standards?
50:04
Speaker 3: Where are the laws being upheld? I'll leave it there,
50:07
Speaker 3: see you both next week, up next. James Ucpherson