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XFL, Pete Rose & Fading Gout · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome. Do the favorites the podcast from the Action Network.
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Speaker 1: I'm Chad Melman. NFL season is over. I crushed, I've dominated.
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Speaker 1: I was so good and at the end of NFL season,
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Speaker 1: I like to reflect. I like to take stock. I
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Speaker 1: need another Picks podcast right now, so I want to
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Speaker 1: find a way to expand the funnel of what we do,
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Speaker 1: broaden the tent, get more people under the umbrella. And
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Speaker 1: it's plain how topics that are happening every day in
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Speaker 1: the world of sports impact sports betting, and how sports
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Speaker 1: betting impacts you guys as fans. So that's what I
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Speaker 1: want to try to do today. We're gonna tackle a
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Speaker 1: bunch of topics. We're gonna talk about the six figure
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Speaker 1: NASCAR bet that the Action Network has made thanks to
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Speaker 1: our NASCAR editor p J. Walsh, and we introduced some
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Speaker 1: new voices from here at the Action Network because I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about gambling the way we talk about
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Speaker 1: her here, with people who are more obsessed about it
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Speaker 1: than you are. That's what we're gonna do today. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Pete Rose. I wanted to get back
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Speaker 1: into baseball. We're gonna talk about the XFL. I am
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Speaker 1: gonna do it with Matt Mitchell, senior producer at the
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Speaker 1: Action Network, on the phone from Milwaukee. I'm gonna do
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Speaker 1: it with Colin Wilson, senior Everything writer calling in from Tulsa.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with Katie rich Creek, who runs all
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Speaker 1: of our NFL and Fantasy coverage. Who's calling in from Denver.
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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? Matt Mitchell, how you doing, Buddy?
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Speaker 1: Doing great? Here in America's dairy land, Chad, Katie freezing
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Speaker 1: but hanging in there. Colin, I mean, I live in Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: We had a tornado and then a sleet storm and
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Speaker 1: then a snowstorm. These two have their regular climates. It's
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Speaker 1: predictable weather. I live in the armpit of the weather
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Speaker 1: part of the United States. I mean it, it's always
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Speaker 1: something new. It's true, you do. And I think you
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Speaker 1: can describe it not just as the armpit of weather,
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Speaker 1: but some people would call it the armpit of everything. Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is, people like, why don't you go
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Speaker 1: in your basements when you have a tornado? Do people
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Speaker 1: not realize the state of Oklahoma is a floodplain, so
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Speaker 1: we can't have basements, So we can't hide from the tornadoes.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, listen, you can't hide from this podcast either.
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Speaker 1: Here we go. We're kicking off something entirely new. Here.
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Speaker 1: The first thing we're talking about, let's call it the
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Speaker 1: main thing, The main thing, the XFL. The reason we're
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Speaker 1: talking about the XFL is threefold. One. The ratings were
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Speaker 1: really big for ABC, ESPN, Fox, means a lot of
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Speaker 1: people watched two. The handle on the XFL high yer
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Speaker 1: than it was for the A A F which launched
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Speaker 1: last year and then famously failed. Number three, they talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about gambling during the broadcast of the XFL.
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Speaker 1: I actually found it distracting. I felt like they were
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Speaker 1: trying too hard. Every other sentence out of Tom Hart's
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Speaker 1: mouth when he was broadcasting the Dallas St. Louis game,
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Speaker 1: was talking about the over under, talking about the total,
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Speaker 1: talking about the first half of owner. They had a
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Speaker 1: graphic talking about what the future odds were for who's
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Speaker 1: gonna win the XFL Championship. I love the score bug,
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Speaker 1: I love how they were leaning into it. Generally, I
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Speaker 1: loved a lot of things about the broadcast. I didn't
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Speaker 1: love the incessant conversation. I felt like they're trying too
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Speaker 1: hard to differentiate from everything else that is going on
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Speaker 1: in in football broadcasting. Kator rich Creek, give me your take.
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Speaker 1: I would say that extends to the rest of the
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Speaker 1: broadcast as well. I appreciate the idea behind the on
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Speaker 1: field interviews as players are coming off, and they were entertaining. However,
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Speaker 1: I did ultimately find them distracting. I didn't think they
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Speaker 1: added a ton of value in the long run. But
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Speaker 1: at to your point, Chad, I do think that they
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Speaker 1: were just talking about it betting too much, and really
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Speaker 1: all I needed was what the lines were at the
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Speaker 1: top of the broadcast, and if it mattered as the
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Speaker 1: game was unfolding, But other than having the spread and
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Speaker 1: the total just on the screen, I don't I don't
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Speaker 1: think they needed to do a whole lot more than that.
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Speaker 1: Other than agreeing with me, I think the rest of
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Speaker 1: your take is horrible. Hey, I watched that live f
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Speaker 1: bomb and it was it was great. It was entertaining.
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Speaker 1: I laughed. I enjoyed the moment we're trying. I mostly
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Speaker 1: I think my qualum was with the player interviews. I
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Speaker 1: don't think they really want it. I don't really want it.
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Speaker 1: They're not offering me a whole lot in the moment
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Speaker 1: A well, they could pull that back. God, I can't
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Speaker 1: believe how much I disagree with you, Kylin Wilson. I
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Speaker 1: think you would agree with me that I feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm playing Dana Carvey in the McLaughlin skit in Saturday
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Speaker 1: Night Live, which Katie informed the other day it was
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Speaker 1: like she was born today when I told her about this.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, I actually feel like Dana Carvey
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Speaker 1: because you're wrong, Katie rich Creek more listen that this
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Speaker 1: is a beautiful product. It's gonna be great. We need
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Speaker 1: the announcer to stop talking about the gambling lines because
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Speaker 1: we have bullshit meters. Those of us that gamble on
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Speaker 1: games like frequently, like every day, we understand what the
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Speaker 1: number is. I can't wait we will hit peak gambling
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Speaker 1: XFL when June Jones goes for a three point conversion
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Speaker 1: and then he tells the reporter, I did it to
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Speaker 1: cover the spread. To me, that's going to be just
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Speaker 1: ratings gold. But you know, from another standpoint, I think
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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful product. There were only eleven penalties in
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Speaker 1: four games this weekend. The flow of it, I thought
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Speaker 1: was much better than an NFL game. From a consumer standpoint,
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Speaker 1: it was great to watch a twenty five second clock
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Speaker 1: field position rules on kicking a three point conversion which
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Speaker 1: nobody went for, and then the stupid coaches went for
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Speaker 1: one point conversions when obviously expected point says you should
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Speaker 1: go for two point conversions. I loved it. From a
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Speaker 1: gambling standpoint. Now, everybody has a little bit of football
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Speaker 1: team fatigue right now, so I kind of wish this
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Speaker 1: was July and August. But other than that, I thought
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Speaker 1: it was a great product. Matt Mitchell, did you bet
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Speaker 1: on the XFL. Yeah, of course I did. It was
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Speaker 1: a thing with a result, and therefore was was eligible
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Speaker 1: to be gambled upon. And if I'm going to bet
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Speaker 1: on the things like you know, the birth of my
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Speaker 1: own children, I'm certainly gonna bet on men playing football.
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Speaker 1: I agree with some of the things said here. One
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Speaker 1: of the interesting things is the player and coaches in
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Speaker 1: game interviews is always a hot button for me, just
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Speaker 1: because I always find that distasteful because they're being paid
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Speaker 1: to play a game, whether that's baseball or football or
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Speaker 1: whenever they interviewed them while it's still going on. I
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Speaker 1: don't like when they blow the lines of media obligations
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Speaker 1: and the actual sport. But in terms of the XFL's existence,
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Speaker 1: I think it's delightful in that I'm always looking for
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Speaker 1: something else to gamble on. I don't have to, but
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Speaker 1: it's nice to have more things on the menu. I'd
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Speaker 1: like to treat my gambling appetite with the more of
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Speaker 1: a waffle house menu and less of a small plate
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Speaker 1: tapas restaurant and on. Like Katie, also, I could remember
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Speaker 1: the original XFL debut um. She was probably negative fourteen
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Speaker 1: years old when that happened, but it was awful. It
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Speaker 1: was not a good product. In this I'm happy to
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Speaker 1: see it was a big step in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: So I had dinner with someone last night. I can't
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Speaker 1: say who, but I will tell you they were asking
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Speaker 1: me all these questions about gambling on the XFL, asking me,
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Speaker 1: how do you know anything? How are bookmakers making these lines?
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Speaker 1: Colin is like the most experienced, most professional gambler of
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Speaker 1: this quartet. How would you even consider handicapping something like
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Speaker 1: the XFL. And why would you other than you know,
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Speaker 1: Mitchell being a true du gen and needing to bet
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Speaker 1: on something. What's your take on that? Well, of course,
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Speaker 1: every coach and every quarterback has an assigned point value.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, Matt mcgloyan has a point value. June
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Speaker 1: Jones has a point value. And that's where the point
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Speaker 1: spreads came into existence. Now where they came up with
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Speaker 1: the totals? And I know the one Vegas book that
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Speaker 1: came up with a total of forty and that thing
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Speaker 1: took a rocket ship up to fifty two and a half.
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Speaker 1: With these rules in mind, this is gonna be a
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Speaker 1: crapshoot for bookmakers. They're gonna be blindfolded and throwing a
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Speaker 1: dart when they look at some of these totals. It's
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Speaker 1: gonna get better over time. Players are gonna get better,
8:02
Speaker 1: the coaches are gonna get better. But you know, at
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Speaker 1: the same time, I'm staring at box scores right now.
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Speaker 1: I can see that the Vipers went over for in
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Speaker 1: the red zone, and and people don't think Trustman can
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Speaker 1: call an offense. He can, And so you know that
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Speaker 1: the bookmakers are going to be trying to be smart
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Speaker 1: about plays per game and yards and then the rules.
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Speaker 1: But I think they did a really bad job with
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Speaker 1: totals in the first week. These players haven't played in
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Speaker 1: one to three years, the coaches haven't coached in years,
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Speaker 1: so the nerves should be out by now. I think
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Speaker 1: some points are gonna roll in. I cannot believe we
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Speaker 1: just did a podcast where you're like, the Vipers were
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Speaker 1: over for four in the red zone. Everyone thinks Mark
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Speaker 1: Trustman can't call a play in the red zone. Of
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Speaker 1: course he can. I cannot believe that was just a
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Speaker 1: take for a team that has played one game in
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Speaker 1: a league that did not exist eighty hours ago. If
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Speaker 1: there's an edge in the market, I don't care what
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Speaker 1: the sport is. I don't care if it's a hot
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Speaker 1: dog any contest, Bandy I don't care if it's StarCraft
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Speaker 1: two or Legal Legends. I'll bet on it if there's
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Speaker 1: an edge. Katie, you watched a lot of XFL this weekend.
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Speaker 1: You ran our coverage heading into the weekend. If you
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Speaker 1: were betting right now on a team to win the
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Speaker 1: XFL title, who would it be? On our preview podcast
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Speaker 1: of XFL last week, I know Seawan Corner talked a
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Speaker 1: lot about the Vipers being number one in his power ratings.
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Speaker 1: They were favored going into the season. They lost terribly
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Speaker 1: in Week one, and now they're down to plus six
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Speaker 1: hundred at FANDEL, So there's a lot of volatility in
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Speaker 1: the futures market obviously, just coming out of Week one
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Speaker 1: based on those first four games. Chris Raybond actually made
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Speaker 1: a good point about the Vipers and that they are
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Speaker 1: at home for three of their final five games and
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Speaker 1: there was significant home field advantage in Week one. Average
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Speaker 1: scoring margin for home teams was eleven and a half
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Speaker 1: points um and they went three and one against the spread.
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Speaker 1: So I do think that will factor in down the
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Speaker 1: stretch for them. So I think if you're looking to
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Speaker 1: buy a law on a team right now, even though
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Speaker 1: the first week example, size was not great for the Vipers.
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Speaker 1: I think it's worth taking a fire on them. Not now, though,
9:52
Speaker 1: just let me energy it real quick. They're going to Seattle,
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Speaker 1: longest travel you could possibly have an All XFL and
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Speaker 1: I don't think Seattle was as bad as they showed
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Speaker 1: in Week one, But the Vipers have problems on the
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Speaker 1: road here. I don't know what the weather is gonna
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Speaker 1: be in Seattle, probably rain. But if we can get
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Speaker 1: an O in two Vipers team where they've just whipped
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Speaker 1: in the red zone two weeks in a row, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be such a great number next week. That is
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Speaker 1: a very fair point. Collen, Oh my god, that is
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Speaker 1: the most class at Colin Wilson look ahead. I've heard
10:17
Speaker 1: you make the same point about Illinois basketball and the
10:20
Speaker 1: futures in Illinois being a better value after the end
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Speaker 1: of February before they get into the conference tournament because
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Speaker 1: their February schedule is so hard. That is as inside
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Speaker 1: as it gets Colin Wilson. I'm almost speechless at the analysis.
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Speaker 1: It happens across all the sports. People see and then
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Speaker 1: people want to bet. So when they see Houston and
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Speaker 1: June Jones score all these points, they think this is
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Speaker 1: the best team. I should bet them now. And it's
10:42
Speaker 1: the same thing with college basketball. Teams just don't do
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Speaker 1: well on the road and certain conferences like the Big Ten,
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Speaker 1: it's been a huge home road split, and you have
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Speaker 1: to be able to look at when the pitfalls and
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Speaker 1: where the peaks of the schedule are going to be
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Speaker 1: and know when the right time to buy is. It's
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Speaker 1: not about picking the right team, it's about picking the
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Speaker 1: right value at the right time. All right, Matt, we
10:59
Speaker 1: get you an assignment. You are our senior producer. You
11:02
Speaker 1: live in the middle of nowhere, so there's not much
11:04
Speaker 1: for you to do for us here at the Action Network.
11:06
Speaker 1: So I'm constantly trying to think of things that will
11:09
Speaker 1: keep you occupied. What did I assign you? Did you
11:12
Speaker 1: assign me you? You told me to quote, hit the
11:15
Speaker 1: streets of Milwaukee and find out what totally normal Midwestern
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Speaker 1: idiots think about the XFL. That was your I would
11:21
Speaker 1: never call anyone in the Midwest, and even people in
11:24
Speaker 1: Milliwauke idiots. Being a mid Westerner myself and having spent
11:28
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the state of Wisconsin, I
11:31
Speaker 1: think you should have been that statement. I certainly didn't
11:33
Speaker 1: share the name of the segment with my fellow milwaukeein's
11:37
Speaker 1: here in the paris of the Midwest, but they were
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Speaker 1: more than happy to talk about the XFL. All right,
11:41
Speaker 1: let's go here. We got we've heard from gambling experts,
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Speaker 1: but what about everybody else. Let's talk with totally normal
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Speaker 1: Midwestern idiots. What did you think of the debut of
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Speaker 1: the XFL. I don't even know what the XFL is.
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Speaker 1: Is that sound like something you would like? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: What is it? What does it sound like? It sounds
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Speaker 1: like a really intense NFL. It's like video game football.
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Speaker 1: That does not sound attractive to you. No, I don't
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Speaker 1: think so. I think my husband would love it, though.
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Speaker 1: Every NFL preseason ends and I think to myself, where
12:18
Speaker 1: can I get some more of that hot Matt mcgloyan action.
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Speaker 1: Oh baby, I love the XFL. I don't like it
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Speaker 1: this idea Bush shows it will stop it because I
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Speaker 1: know I'm only interesting to see you on the NFL.
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Speaker 1: This is a really demanding the game and once in
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Speaker 1: the weekend. That's what I think about it. Well, I
12:36
Speaker 1: think it's hopefully it's gonna go over for them. I
12:39
Speaker 1: don't hope they're gonna be bucking the NBA. They're gonna
12:41
Speaker 1: be bucking marchman Is Pictures and catches report this week.
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Speaker 1: We'll see how far it goes. But I think it
12:47
Speaker 1: might be a good idea to have a feeder into
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, I watched it, and now I don't
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Speaker 1: have to watch it anymore, all right, Matt, that was
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Speaker 1: as riveting as I expected to be. Let's move on
13:03
Speaker 1: the next thing. The next thing. Last week, Pete Rose
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Speaker 1: petitioned Major League Baseball for reinstatement because of the astros
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Speaker 1: cheating scandal. If you are amongst the people who feels
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Speaker 1: like one plus one did not equal to with Pete
13:24
Speaker 1: Rose's logic, you can include me in your group. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I'm not getting this. I feel like Pete Rose is
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Speaker 1: not doing himself any favors. But I do think the
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Speaker 1: fact that MLB is starting to think about gambling will
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Speaker 1: cause people to start to rethink how they feel about
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Speaker 1: Pete Rose being banned from baseball. Matt Mitchell, tell me
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Speaker 1: what you think of Pete Rose trying to do this.
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Speaker 1: I think the timing is interesting, The logic of the
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Speaker 1: petition is is interesting. It doesn't necessarily carry water with me,
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Speaker 1: but the fact that he's held out of the Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame just seems silly. I have I have some
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Speaker 1: friends that worked for the Hall of Fame, and they're
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Speaker 1: always quick to remind you that it's amused see him,
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Speaker 1: which is definitely the kind of thing a nerd would say.
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Speaker 1: But it's also true. It's it's not a Hall of Fame,
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Speaker 1: and always in the traditional sense. It's it's focused on
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Speaker 1: being a museum and as a historical figure. Pete Rose's
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Speaker 1: integral to baseball history more than almost any of its
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Speaker 1: other inductees, with a few exceptions. So the fact that
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Speaker 1: he's kind of a huge piece of ship doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: he should be precluded from being in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 1: If being a sexist or a racist, or a monster
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Speaker 1: or a gambler or whatever kept you out of the
14:27
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, it it had a lot fewer members. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: he just did a really bad job of covering his
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Speaker 1: tracks and was kind of unapologetic about it, and they
14:35
Speaker 1: want to keep Mountain. I get it, but it certainly
14:37
Speaker 1: seems like it's high time for them to say screw
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Speaker 1: it and just let him in. Katie Pete Rose, bad timing,
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Speaker 1: bad idea, what say you bad timing and the logic
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Speaker 1: doesn't make total sense. They're not perfect one one comparisons.
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Speaker 1: But ultimately, if the heart of the issue is that
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Speaker 1: what the Astros did and what Rose did jeopardize the
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Speaker 1: integrity of the game, then he does have a valid
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Speaker 1: argument that his lifetime band does look a little bit
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Speaker 1: unfair compared to how the MLB ultimately handled Hinchion in
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Speaker 1: lu Now, wow, Katie making a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: comeback after your horrible XFL take. I like how you've
15:13
Speaker 1: found in the connection there. I had to bounce back,
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Speaker 1: and you did. You did because you were losing this podcast.
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Speaker 1: But now you've climbed back in Kylie Wilson, let's see
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Speaker 1: if you can take the lead. I hate to be
15:23
Speaker 1: a party pooper here and I hate to, you know,
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Speaker 1: crap all over Matt's take, but absolutely not. He should
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Speaker 1: not be in the Hall of Fame. And I coached
15:29
Speaker 1: thirteen year old baseball. I show my son Pete Rose
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Speaker 1: and George Brett on how to dive into third base.
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Speaker 1: You know, how to play the game as hard as possible.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is he bet on MLB every
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Speaker 1: single day of six as a player, and a coach.
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Speaker 1: He even bet on the Reds. Now it showed that
15:44
Speaker 1: he didn't bet against the Reds, but he bet on
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Speaker 1: the Reds. Reinstating Pete is one thing, but the Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame isn't actually going to vote him in. I mean,
15:50
Speaker 1: there's still a voting process. But reinstating Pete tells all
15:53
Speaker 1: athletes it's okay to bet on sports, including your own team. Oh,
15:57
Speaker 1: here's a notebook. He bet on the Reds every day.
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Speaker 1: As a code and a player, he could make decision
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Speaker 1: whether he was at first base or not, or he
16:04
Speaker 1: was just going to coach the game, and then he
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Speaker 1: get bet on the game and he bet two thousand apiece.
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Speaker 1: So absolutely not. If Pete had only bet on the NFL,
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Speaker 1: or only bet on the n b A, I would
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Speaker 1: be way more sympathetic. But when it's a team you
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Speaker 1: coach and play on, no way, I'm sorry. Do you
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Speaker 1: bet on your earth thirteen year old kids baseball games?
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Speaker 1: With my assistant coach, we do. We bet individually as
16:23
Speaker 1: each player comes up to bat, whether he sees a
16:24
Speaker 1: second strike, because these kids just they can't take a pitch.
16:29
Speaker 1: What are the stakes? I have more cash on me
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Speaker 1: than than my assistant coach. My purse isn't coach is
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Speaker 1: a pastor, so he's got like ones to you know,
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Speaker 1: he's got some quarters in his pocket, will bet for
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Speaker 1: so he likes to bet. He doesn't like tell his wife.
16:41
Speaker 1: He doesn't like to tell the congregation that he bets.
16:43
Speaker 1: But everybody in the South goes to church and they bet,
16:45
Speaker 1: and they won't tell you that they bet and drink,
16:47
Speaker 1: but they do. So you just outed your pastor as
16:51
Speaker 1: being a better on thirteen year old baseball and kind
16:55
Speaker 1: of went after him for how much money he's got. Yeah,
16:57
Speaker 1: but the thing is is he's he's subscribed to the
16:59
Speaker 1: Action Network podcast, not to the favorite So as long
17:01
Speaker 1: as I don't get a prescribe the favorites, I have
17:03
Speaker 1: a good jap make sure he never learns about the favorites.
17:09
Speaker 1: You know what I love about the Action Network the
17:10
Speaker 1: fact that just about everybody bets on everything. And that's
17:13
Speaker 1: the whole point. I would say, we have more meetings
17:16
Speaker 1: interrupted by deep size from Mike Leeboff, one of our editors,
17:20
Speaker 1: then we have anything else. I'll be in front of
17:23
Speaker 1: a white board, I'll be making a grand speech. I'll
17:26
Speaker 1: be inspiring our team and then I don't know where
17:29
Speaker 1: Leeboff will just go, and I'm thinking to myself, he's
17:33
Speaker 1: taking it in And then I realized Leeboff has like
17:37
Speaker 1: money on darts, or he's got money on cricket, or
17:40
Speaker 1: he's got money on tennis, and it's airing in the
17:43
Speaker 1: middle of the day. Last week, Lee Boff was all
17:46
Speaker 1: over snooker. Here's his story. So this was the text
17:51
Speaker 1: I got, Well, how was at work? It was from
17:53
Speaker 1: an associate of mine who I've known from backing my
17:56
Speaker 1: bartending days. And when you work at the kind of
17:59
Speaker 1: bar I did, You're gonna come into contact with all
18:02
Speaker 1: sorts of characters and most of them are gonna left
18:04
Speaker 1: to gamble. This guy was no different. He was also
18:06
Speaker 1: another bartender. He was an Irish guy, and to be honest,
18:10
Speaker 1: I kind of trust him with my life. So when
18:12
Speaker 1: he told me that he heard from his source overseas
18:16
Speaker 1: that there was about to be a snooker match in
18:18
Speaker 1: England where one of the players had a really bad
18:20
Speaker 1: case of the gout, I dropped everything at work and
18:23
Speaker 1: got ready to bet it. It was a personal bet
18:26
Speaker 1: for me because back on New Year's Eve two thousands sixteen,
18:30
Speaker 1: my foot was throbbing. It was so bad that I
18:33
Speaker 1: couldn't press down on the gas pedal in the car.
18:36
Speaker 1: I had to have somebody drive me to the doctor
18:37
Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve and he comes into the office.
18:41
Speaker 1: He looks at me and he says, congratulations, son, you're
18:44
Speaker 1: the youngest patient I've ever had to diagnose with the gout.
18:47
Speaker 1: So that rocked my world. And then now knowing that
18:50
Speaker 1: I could finally come full circle and beat gout by
18:53
Speaker 1: betting against it, I was just jumping at the chance.
18:55
Speaker 1: I was so excited that I told everybody at the
18:57
Speaker 1: Action Network. I said, Hey, look, there's this guy and
18:59
Speaker 1: he's got the bag gout and he's gonna try to
19:01
Speaker 1: play through it in its snooker match tomorrow. We should
19:04
Speaker 1: probably all fade him. And since I work with a
19:06
Speaker 1: bunch of freaks, everybody jumped on it. Despite none of
19:09
Speaker 1: us knowing the rules of snooker. We all thought, you
19:11
Speaker 1: know what, let's go for it. It's not every day
19:13
Speaker 1: you get to bet against the guy because he's got
19:15
Speaker 1: the gout. And it looked good at first. Like our guy,
19:17
Speaker 1: the guy with the gout, He's sitting in the corner,
19:20
Speaker 1: his legs extended, he looked like he was suffering through
19:22
Speaker 1: an attack. But it turns out this was the snooker
19:25
Speaker 1: equivalent of the Jordan flu game, and we got buried.
19:28
Speaker 1: Some of my colleagues were mad at me for the tip,
19:30
Speaker 1: But the important thing is we got to cross off
19:34
Speaker 1: betting against somebody with gout in snooker from our gambling
19:38
Speaker 1: bucket list. And you don't get to do that every day.
19:43
Speaker 1: Thank you, Leeboff. All Right, we got another thing. This
19:46
Speaker 1: one is serious. Okay, another thing. Baylor is the number
19:53
Speaker 1: one team in the country. They've got as of right now,
19:56
Speaker 1: it's only one game winning streak, which is one shy
19:59
Speaker 1: of the Big te record that Kansas set in. One
20:02
Speaker 1: of their best players is mac Otigue. Last week, Macote
20:07
Speaker 1: was at the free throw line. He had a chance
20:09
Speaker 1: to put Baylor up by six points in a game
20:13
Speaker 1: in which the spread was five. He missed a free throw.
20:17
Speaker 1: Baylor still easily won the game. They did not cover,
20:20
Speaker 1: and Macote experienced what it's like to get hazed by
20:25
Speaker 1: gambling twitter, something that I know all of us experience
20:29
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. It is not pretty. And then
20:32
Speaker 1: Jeff Goodman, a stadium very good college basketball reporter, did
20:36
Speaker 1: a piece in which he sort of commented on mac
20:39
Speaker 1: otigue and people on Twitter coming after him for this,
20:42
Speaker 1: and made a connection to the fact that sports betting
20:45
Speaker 1: being illegal is now something people are going to have
20:46
Speaker 1: to deal with on a more regular basis. For this,
20:49
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the behavior. I don't necessarily agree
20:52
Speaker 1: with Jeff's premise either, because this has been going on forever.
20:55
Speaker 1: It's been going on for fantasy, and there's been gamblers
20:57
Speaker 1: on Twitter long before gambling was legal. So Katie rich Creek,
21:00
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you one more chance to take
21:03
Speaker 1: a very big lead in the podcast. I want to
21:05
Speaker 1: hear you take on Jeff's angle on this. I think
21:08
Speaker 1: you're right, and I don't want you to think I'm
21:11
Speaker 1: only agreeing with you to say in your favor. But yeah, no,
21:16
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's anything new. However, I do
21:19
Speaker 1: think generally speaking, it's one thing to complain about a
21:22
Speaker 1: player for botching your bet or swinging your fantasy matchup
21:25
Speaker 1: on Twitter, but it's entirely different thing to slide into
21:28
Speaker 1: his d m s, which is what was happening in
21:29
Speaker 1: this case. And if you are a grown adult, going
21:33
Speaker 1: as so far as to slide into the d m
21:35
Speaker 1: s of a nineteen or twenty year old kid. That's
21:37
Speaker 1: a tough look. And your problems extend far past losing
21:40
Speaker 1: that that Katie going after. Just people sliding into d
21:43
Speaker 1: ms generally, that's an interesting thing. Matt, as someone who
21:46
Speaker 1: before you were married and probably slid into people's d
21:49
Speaker 1: m s, do you feel sensitive to that? Yeah. I
21:51
Speaker 1: don't like Twitter scolds anymore than I like gambling scolds,
21:55
Speaker 1: and generally I'd like to support people who want to
21:58
Speaker 1: attack on paid amateurs online. But I it is so
22:02
Speaker 1: incredibly distasteful to aim directly at the players and to
22:06
Speaker 1: tag them and to slide to their damns. That is
22:08
Speaker 1: that is gross. Like, like I have a in my neighborhood,
22:10
Speaker 1: we have a we have an alley behind the house
22:12
Speaker 1: and that's where everybody goes into their garages. And when
22:14
Speaker 1: it snows a lot, which does all the time in Wisconsin,
22:17
Speaker 1: I have a neighbor named Dan, and Dan snow blows
22:20
Speaker 1: the front of all the garages so everyone can get in.
22:23
Speaker 1: And no one asks him to do this, that one
22:25
Speaker 1: pays him to do this. It's just a real nice guy,
22:27
Speaker 1: good neighbor. If Dan opened my garage door, and he
22:30
Speaker 1: filled my garage with that snow just because he was
22:33
Speaker 1: mad at me. I would talk tons of ship about
22:36
Speaker 1: Dan all over the neighborhood. I wouldn't yell at him, though,
22:40
Speaker 1: because he wasn't getting paid to do that. That's not
22:43
Speaker 1: his job. You can get screamed at for anything you
22:46
Speaker 1: get paid to do. But if you're an unpaid amateur athlete,
22:49
Speaker 1: that's a great reason to pay these kids. Because first,
22:52
Speaker 1: Rodeo Betters, I mean Macot got an eleven dollar VENMO
22:55
Speaker 1: request from a gambler. Eleven dollars this guy blew up
22:59
Speaker 1: ma seo taken were after the game. If you're so
23:01
Speaker 1: mad about eleven dollars, I remember my first bat to like,
23:04
Speaker 1: you gotta grow up, Colin. Would you yell at your
23:07
Speaker 1: pastor if he gave it a bad sermon? I would
23:11
Speaker 1: ask the collection plate to stop in my lap so
23:13
Speaker 1: I could take it off he gave a bad sermon.
23:15
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if I had eleven dollar eleven dollar
23:18
Speaker 1: VENMO request, if I had eleven dollars, every time a
23:20
Speaker 1: college basketball player screwed me on a point spread by
23:23
Speaker 1: like one point, I could pay off Bret bielim As
23:26
Speaker 1: Arkansas buy out. That's how much money I would have.
23:28
Speaker 1: It's a new reality. But the gamblers were here before.
23:30
Speaker 1: They've all we've always been around years before this. One instance,
23:34
Speaker 1: Nick bro Set was an LSU running back that fell
23:36
Speaker 1: down at the goal line and Arkansas covered seven and
23:39
Speaker 1: a half just shot the line. He does not want
23:45
Speaker 1: to score. There's some folks very game. Oh boy. That
23:51
Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks before Todd Gurley decided to
23:53
Speaker 1: do the same thing against the Packers. Right fall down
23:55
Speaker 1: at the goal line. And this is just our new reality.
23:57
Speaker 1: It's just it's just getting more attention now because ambling
24:00
Speaker 1: is becoming legalized. This has always been going on. Everybody's
24:03
Speaker 1: used to growing up in a culture where things are
24:05
Speaker 1: so hush, right, gambling was taboo. You can't talk about
24:09
Speaker 1: it out loud. You know. Even my tax attorneys like
24:11
Speaker 1: having I mean, finally, my tax attorneys like asking me
24:14
Speaker 1: questions because of the new legalization of stuff. So it's
24:16
Speaker 1: just a new world that we live in and there's
24:18
Speaker 1: more exposure to the idiots. And I think as a
24:21
Speaker 1: sports gambling community, we need to be happy that all
24:23
Speaker 1: this is being legalized. But at the same time, we
24:25
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to educate and patrol our community. I
24:29
Speaker 1: might turn my take around a little bit. I'm going
24:31
Speaker 1: to do about ninety degrees because I do think that
24:35
Speaker 1: maybe what Jeff is saying in this piece is that
24:38
Speaker 1: the expansion of gambling might create more of an opportunity
24:41
Speaker 1: for people to go after athletes who caused them to
24:44
Speaker 1: miss out on winning bets, is that there's more amateurs
24:48
Speaker 1: in the market, and amateurs don't know how to behave
24:51
Speaker 1: they don't know how to handle winning, they don't know
24:52
Speaker 1: how to handle losing. Colin, I think that's kind of
24:54
Speaker 1: what you're saying, right. Yeah, there's not an exponential increase
24:57
Speaker 1: in wise guys, and there's not an exponential increase of
24:59
Speaker 1: people that are do in this correctly. There's an exponential
25:02
Speaker 1: increased of new gamblers that are new to betting and
25:05
Speaker 1: don't know how to handle themselves, and they act immature
25:07
Speaker 1: when they lose bets, and they like to brag too
25:09
Speaker 1: much when they win. So that's just the new world
25:12
Speaker 1: we live in. And Colin, I do want to point
25:14
Speaker 1: out that I think you and I and everyone at
25:16
Speaker 1: the Action Network is totally okay with feeling victimized by
25:20
Speaker 1: and screaming at players and coaches like I After that
25:23
Speaker 1: U mass Acron football game, I tweeted Isaiah Rodgers of
25:27
Speaker 1: UMass might be the worst fucking defensive player in America.
25:30
Speaker 1: I didn't tag him, but he was the first person
25:33
Speaker 1: to like that tweet. Yes, but the point is, I
25:35
Speaker 1: don't you don't reach out and try to find those
25:37
Speaker 1: people to say to their faces, like my neighbor, did
25:39
Speaker 1: you just talk ship behind their backs? And then event
25:41
Speaker 1: minutes open. Well, I think I think the important thing
25:44
Speaker 1: from my Twitter standpoint is that when I see some
25:47
Speaker 1: funky stuff happening in a game, I will clip it
25:50
Speaker 1: and I will put it on my Twitter feet and
25:52
Speaker 1: I will say, wow, look at this. This is awfully strange.
25:55
Speaker 1: And by the way, here was the total or here
25:57
Speaker 1: was the points? Right? You just says in the really
26:00
Speaker 1: interesting colin, which was your clipping stuff saying it's really interesting.
26:05
Speaker 1: Is the inference or the connection is supposed to be
26:08
Speaker 1: that you think there was something in terms of a
26:12
Speaker 1: fixed You thought someone was aware of what the point
26:14
Speaker 1: spread was. You thought someone was aware of what the
26:16
Speaker 1: total was. Don't act like these coaches don't know what
26:18
Speaker 1: the point spread is? Because Lane Kiffin up by what seven?
26:22
Speaker 1: With a point spread a five and a half or
26:23
Speaker 1: six ran his punter purposefully through the end zone, causing
26:28
Speaker 1: a safety, beating Marshall by five. He acknowledged it, got
26:31
Speaker 1: hopped on Twitter and made a joke about it. So
26:34
Speaker 1: these coaches absolutely know what the point spread is, and
26:37
Speaker 1: you know it didn't change the way that Lane coached
26:39
Speaker 1: the game, but they're aware of exactly what the number is.
26:42
Speaker 1: All I well, listen, speaking of people who know gambling,
26:44
Speaker 1: we got one more segment here. We opened it up
26:46
Speaker 1: to my followers on Twitter and I said to them,
26:49
Speaker 1: come on the show. If you've got a gambling specific
26:53
Speaker 1: trivia question that you think can stump our team, and
26:58
Speaker 1: they do it, we're going to give them a free
27:02
Speaker 1: Action Network Edge subscription. All right, joining us now our
27:06
Speaker 1: very first contestant in our gambling trivia segment, which we
27:10
Speaker 1: haven't even named yet, Mitchell, we gotta get on. How
27:12
Speaker 1: we gotta think of a name for this. I think
27:13
Speaker 1: you might have put one in the run down and
27:15
Speaker 1: you don't know splits. I don't. I don't think I
27:18
Speaker 1: like that. We're gonna come up. We're gonna come up
27:21
Speaker 1: with the new name. Our first contestant is Connor Lynch,
27:25
Speaker 1: who was one of the many people that DM me,
27:27
Speaker 1: but I liked his question the best Welcome to the
27:31
Speaker 1: favorite podcasts, Good to be here on Law School at
27:35
Speaker 1: the University of Missouri, Go Tigers. Yeah, there we go,
27:38
Speaker 1: and Connor gets to the pleasure of driving down to Pittsburgh, Kansas,
27:42
Speaker 1: just an hour away and registering for points bet and
27:44
Speaker 1: be able to play us a bet on his phone legally. Yes,
27:47
Speaker 1: there we go. Made a couple of trips to Iowa
27:49
Speaker 1: over to Council Bluff to get some stuff in there.
27:51
Speaker 1: So doing what we gotta do? What do you like
27:54
Speaker 1: to gamble on? Mostly football, hockey, the Over and pretty
27:58
Speaker 1: much anything I can find? So, oh, kinnor you'd fit
28:01
Speaker 1: in fine here at the Action Network. All right, kind
28:04
Speaker 1: of listen. You sent in a trivia question last night.
28:07
Speaker 1: I have not shared it with our panelists. If you
28:10
Speaker 1: stump us, then you get a free subscription to the
28:14
Speaker 1: Action Network. Catch a You're Ready Ready Well wide receiver
28:18
Speaker 1: was most profitable for reception overs in the twenty nineteen
28:22
Speaker 1: regular season, and this is assuming all bets were made
28:26
Speaker 1: to win one unit. Matt Mitchell to go over consistently.
28:30
Speaker 1: It means you have to keep exceeding expectations, which would
28:32
Speaker 1: tell me that you'd have to have very low expectations
28:35
Speaker 1: to start the year. So my guest is gonna be
28:38
Speaker 1: d J. Moore. I'm gonna go with an sec guy
28:41
Speaker 1: that I loved and Russell Wilson fell in love with
28:44
Speaker 1: him at the end of the season. I'm worried about
28:46
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, but DK Metcalf was starting
28:49
Speaker 1: to me the tip ball jump ball guys. So I'm
28:51
Speaker 1: gonna go with DK Metcalf. Yeah, I am not applying
28:55
Speaker 1: Mitchell's logict, and I'm gonna go with Michael Thomas, Katie
28:58
Speaker 1: rich Creek. I was gonna go with that all right,
29:01
Speaker 1: then I am gonna go Keenan Allen. Keenan all ended
29:05
Speaker 1: up with negative one unit on the season, but the
29:08
Speaker 1: other guests were all strong. D J. Moore came in third,
29:12
Speaker 1: getting just under seven units total. Michael Thomas came in
29:16
Speaker 1: second with seven point three units, the exact number on
29:19
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf right around even just a little bit above,
29:22
Speaker 1: but with seven point six units went eleven and three
29:26
Speaker 1: and two was DeVante Parker from Miami. Wow, does that
29:32
Speaker 1: mean I effectively win Michael Thomas went twelve and four,
29:36
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker went eleven and three and two. So if
29:39
Speaker 1: you want to give yourself a win, that's fine, but
29:42
Speaker 1: Parker were better throughout this season. Katie's line that my
29:45
Speaker 1: logic was flawed rules my logic was flawless. More importantly,
29:52
Speaker 1: Connor wins because he stumped us. Connor, you are the
29:56
Speaker 1: first winner of an Action Network Edge subscription on the
30:00
Speaker 1: latest version of The Favorites in which you stumped us
30:03
Speaker 1: all with your trivia question about betting. Awesome there. We
30:07
Speaker 1: gotta thank you guys. I think you have a fabulous
30:09
Speaker 1: career as a lawyer and a better Hey you, that's
30:13
Speaker 1: the goal. That's the goal, something to aspire to. Connor
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Speaker 1: Lynch from Kansas City, law student at University of Missouri,
30:20
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the Favorites. Yea,
30:22
Speaker 1: thanks for having me Chad before we go as promised,
30:25
Speaker 1: we have a six figure potential way in writing on
30:29
Speaker 1: a NASCAR grouper here at the Action Network. A groupers
30:32
Speaker 1: when all of us go in on the same bet.
30:34
Speaker 1: P J. Walsh, our NASCAR editor, payned the entire team
30:38
Speaker 1: about a month and a half ago and said, listen,
30:41
Speaker 1: I got a bet on NASCAR that we can get
30:43
Speaker 1: a ton of value on right now, he explained what
30:45
Speaker 1: he did to us for the bet. I convinced everybody
30:48
Speaker 1: to make at the Action network. Is Rock Chestaing the
30:50
Speaker 1: one they take on because I say jump and you
30:53
Speaker 1: say how high? And all serious though, rock Chesting was
30:56
Speaker 1: priced as a long stout of two. So I want
30:59
Speaker 1: to say the Action at works is close to seven
31:01
Speaker 1: figure liability on this since we all got down with
31:03
Speaker 1: a good number. Another line is down to one sixty
31:06
Speaker 1: two one depending upon the book, so we have a
31:08
Speaker 1: ton of value on it already. The key reason it's
31:10
Speaker 1: a good bet is because Chastain is actually getting support
31:13
Speaker 1: from chip can Asty Racing, which, if you don't follow
31:15
Speaker 1: the sport, is one of the best teams in NASCAR.
31:18
Speaker 1: So he was priced as a what we call back marker,
31:21
Speaker 1: but he's actually one of the best rides. And you
31:23
Speaker 1: can see the difference in the market now it's fifty
31:25
Speaker 1: to one. One bit of warning, I have a long
31:27
Speaker 1: history of betting Chasting. He wins and then fails post
31:31
Speaker 1: race inspectum, and that basically means your bet as a loser.
31:34
Speaker 1: So good luck with that alright, folks, that is our show,
31:37
Speaker 1: that is the Favorites. We're gonna come back next week.
31:39
Speaker 1: New panelists, new topics, new guests with new trivia questions
31:44
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