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Pregnant Woman Kills Baby Daddy in Broad Daylight · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Picture your morning routine for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you wake up, maybe you brew some coffee,
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  Speaker 1: you take the dog out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the usual stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And maybe you notice that, like, the electric trash
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  Speaker 1: can in the kitchen needs some new batteries. It is
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  Speaker 1: literally the absolute definition of mundane.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the kind of morning where your biggest
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  Speaker 1: stress is just You know, whether you're going to hit
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  Speaker 1: traffic on the way to work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just totally average.
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  Speaker 1: But now I want you to imagine that exact same quiet,
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  Speaker 1: boring morning completely shattering in just a fraction.
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  Speaker 2: Of a second. Just instantly.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The coffee is still warm. The trash can is
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  Speaker 1: still sitting there. But suddenly, you know, the air is
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  Speaker 1: thick with that metallic smell of gunpowder.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: There is literally a man bleeding out on the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: floor and someone is just screaming into a phone.
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  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate collision of the ordinary and the unthinkable, really.
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  Speaker 2: It is. And, you know, when you look at criminal investigations,
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  Speaker 2: that specific intersection is where the truth is almost always
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  Speaker 2: like the most heavily concealed.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's just so chaotic.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Because when an everyday mundane environment transforms into a
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  Speaker 2: crime scene in the blink of an eye, the whole
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  Speaker 2: narrative just immediately fragments. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people panic.
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  Speaker 2: They do. The truth isn't black and white anymore. It
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  Speaker 2: gets buried in the physical evidence. It gets lost in
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  Speaker 2: the adrenaline haze. And it is heavily distorted by the shifting,
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  Speaker 2: desperate realities of the people who are actually left standing.
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  Speaker 1: OK, let's untack this. We have our hands on the
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  Speaker 1: raw police transcripts, the 911 audio records, and the actual
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  Speaker 1: interrogation logs from June 12, 2024.
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  Speaker 2: Right, out of Athens, Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Athens, Georgia. We are looking at the case of
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  Speaker 1: Heather Nicole McCall and Jeremy Tyrone Howard.
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  Speaker 2: It's a heavy one.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. So our mission for today's deep dive
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  Speaker 1: is to basically dissect the very anatomy of a fatal accident. Or, well, quote-unquote, accident.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because that line is so blurry.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We are going to explore how the lines separating...
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  Speaker 1: You know, self-defense, reckless conduct, and outright tragedy is just
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  Speaker 1: razor thin.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to see exactly how law enforcement has
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  Speaker 2: to untangle this kind of chaotic, bloody scene in real time.
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  Speaker 1: While literally everyone involved is fighting for their own version
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  Speaker 1: of reality. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And to even begin to make sense of the trigger
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  Speaker 2: being pulled. We kind of have to establish the baseline
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  Speaker 2: normal for these two individuals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to know who they are.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. We need to understand the ecosystem they were operating in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have to know who is holding the
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  Speaker 2: weapon and who is taking the bullet long before that
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  Speaker 2: weapon is ever drawn.
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  Speaker 1: So let's look at the people involved. First, we have
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  Speaker 1: Heather McCall, born in 1998, lifelong Georgia resident. And when
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  Speaker 1: you dive into her digital footprint, like her social media,
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  Speaker 1: she paints this very specific, very curated picture of herself.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of picture?
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  Speaker 1: Well, she describes herself repeatedly as a free spirit, a
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  Speaker 1: gypsy soul.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And her absolute favorite quote, like the mantra she
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  Speaker 1: puts out into the world, is live fast, die young,
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  Speaker 1: be free, and have fun. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've all seen that kind of profile.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's this chaotic, untethered persona that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people kind of project in their 20s. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is an identity built entirely on avoiding consequences, really,
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  Speaker 2: or at least kind of romanticizing the lack of them.
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  Speaker 1: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you brand yourself as a gypsy soul... You
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  Speaker 2: are broadcasting a resistance to being tied down. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're celebrating impulsivity.
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  Speaker 1: But reality doesn't really care about your Instagram bio.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. Reality has a very harsh way of
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  Speaker 2: anchoring people, regardless of the persona they project online. And
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  Speaker 2: the anchor in Heather's life is her relationship with Jeremy
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  Speaker 2: Tyrone Howard.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Jeremy is 31 years old and his background is, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's incredibly complicated.
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  Speaker 2: He had a lot of struggles.
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  Speaker 1: A lot. He has been struggling for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Primarily battling a really severe long-term drug addiction.
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  Speaker 2: Which is so tough.
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  Speaker 1: It is. But the sources, including his own family, really
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  Speaker 1: emphasized that he was actively trying to turn a new leaf.
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  Speaker 2: He was putting in the work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on this fragile path to get clean,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get on the straight and narrow. And the
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  Speaker 1: catalyst for this massive life change is, well, the biological
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  Speaker 1: reality crashing into Heather's live, fast persona.
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  Speaker 2: She's pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: She is four months pregnant with their first child.
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  Speaker 2: And that pregnancy fundamentally alters the stakes of their entire existence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a pregnancy doesn't just add a baby to
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  Speaker 2: the mix.
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  Speaker 1: No, it changes everything.
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  Speaker 2: It acts as a massive psychological pressure cooker for the
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  Speaker 2: relationship itself. From what we see in the logs, their
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  Speaker 2: dynamic was already just highly volatile.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very on and off again.
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  Speaker 2: A classic cycle of intense breakups and immediate makeups. But
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  Speaker 2: when you introduce a child into that environment, The tension
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  Speaker 2: just escalates exponentially.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: For Jeremy's family, the pregnancy represents hope. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: biological anchor that might finally pull him out of his addiction.
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  Speaker 1: Right. A reason to get clean.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But for Heather, navigating the reality of a live fast,
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  Speaker 2: die young mentality while physically carrying a child paired with
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  Speaker 2: a partner who has a history of severe instability. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that creates an incredibly dangerous relationship. Almost unbearable friction.
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  Speaker 1: That friction, you know, it reminds me of stretching a
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  Speaker 1: rubber band. Well, you know when you pull a rubber
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  Speaker 1: band just a little too far and it snaps back
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  Speaker 1: and it hurts a little, but the band is still intact. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They were doing that constantly. Stretching, snapping back, breaking up,
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  Speaker 1: making up. But every time that rubber band snaps, the
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  Speaker 1: structural integrity weakens.
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  Speaker 2: The material gets compromised.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. It might look fine on the outside, but one
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  Speaker 1: day you pull it just a millimeter too far and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't snap back. It breaks and it whips back
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  Speaker 1: and takes out an eye.
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  Speaker 2: That is a brilliant way to describe it.
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  Speaker 1: And we actually see that structural break happen the day
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  Speaker 1: before the shooting, June 11th. There is a massive blowout fight.
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  Speaker 2: And the sources indicate this fight is over alleged infidelity, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Heather is utterly convinced Jeremy is cheating on her.
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  Speaker 2: So the tension just boils over. She actually drives him
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  Speaker 2: to where he stays on Smoky Road, drops him off
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  Speaker 2: and tells him. I mean, in no uncertain terms, she
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  Speaker 2: never wants to see him again.
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  Speaker 1: And then she does what everyone does today. She utilizes
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate modern relationship weapon. She blocks his number on
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  Speaker 1: her phone.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a huge deal.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to dig into that specific action, actually, because.
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  Speaker 1: Blocking someone on your phone feels like you are barricading
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  Speaker 1: your front door. It feels like a definitive end.
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  Speaker 2: Right. A complete cutoff.
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  Speaker 1: But does it actually work that way psychologically? Because it
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  Speaker 1: seems like whenever someone blocks a partner in a highly
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  Speaker 1: volatile relationship, it doesn't end the fight.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: It just like changes the venue of the fight. Does
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  Speaker 1: blocking someone escalate the tension when they inevitably bypass it?
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  Speaker 2: That is an incredibly astute observation. Because when you block
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  Speaker 2: a partner in a highly toxic cyclical relationship, it rarely
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  Speaker 2: functions as an actual ending.
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  Speaker 1: It's more of a tactic.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It functions as a challenge. It is a profound
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  Speaker 2: mechanism of control. You were saying, I dictate when and
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  Speaker 2: how we communicate. I control our access to one another.
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  Speaker 1: Which is maddening for the other person.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, completely. For the person being blocked, especially someone like Jeremy,
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  Speaker 2: who is struggling with addictions, where impulse control and emotional
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  Speaker 2: regulation are already heavily compromised, it creates a sense of
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  Speaker 2: frantic urgency.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because suddenly they are shouting into a void. They
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  Speaker 1: have zero agency.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The digital barricade makes them want to kick down
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  Speaker 2: the physical door. They feel entirely stripped of their voice.
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  Speaker 1: They can't even leave a voicemail.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So when Jeremy is dropped off and digitally exiled,
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  Speaker 2: the clock starts ticking. on how long his brain can
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  Speaker 2: tolerate that total loss of control. He can't text her.
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  Speaker 2: He can't call her.
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  Speaker 1: So what does he do?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the only way he can reestablish contact and regain
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  Speaker 2: some sense of agency is to physically insert himself into
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  Speaker 2: her space.
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  Speaker 1: And that clock runs out the very next morning, June 12th.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to a detail that is so bizarre,
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  Speaker 1: I almost couldn't believe I was reading it when I
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  Speaker 1: went through the transcripts.
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're going to say.
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  Speaker 1: The electric trash can.
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  Speaker 2: It is the most mundane detail, and it sets the
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  Speaker 2: stage for a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: We have to talk about this scene because the geometry
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  Speaker 1: and the timing of it are surreal.
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  Speaker 2: It's very strange.
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  Speaker 1: It is roughly 8.0 a.m. Heather has been staying at
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  Speaker 1: this house since the end of March, and she isn't alone.
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  Speaker 2: Right, there's a man there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the police records refer to him as the maintenance
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  Speaker 1: man friend. Heather claims he is a friend, a white
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  Speaker 1: male she has been working with.
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  Speaker 2: But here is the critical detail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She has only known this guy for a week
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  Speaker 1: and a half, 10 days. Right. And he is at
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  Speaker 1: her house at 8 in the morning specifically to change
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  Speaker 1: the batteries in her electric trash can.
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  Speaker 2: As an investigator, when you hear a detail like that
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  Speaker 2: in an interrogation room, your cognitive dissonance alarm immediately starts ringing.
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  Speaker 1: My alarm is deafening right now. I mean, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have a guy you met 10 days ago come over
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  Speaker 1: at breakfast time to flip your trash can upside down
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  Speaker 1: and put AA batteries in it.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly odd.
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  Speaker 1: How do investigators even begin to separate purely coincidental, bizarre
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  Speaker 1: human behavior from actual clues of a premeditated setup? Because
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  Speaker 1: if you told me this in a movie script, I'd
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  Speaker 1: say it was just terrible writing.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds absurd. But human behavior is often incredibly absurd,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the peripheral details of a crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess truth is stranger than fiction.
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  Speaker 2: It always is. Investigators have to look at the geometry
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  Speaker 2: of the situation. This maintenance man is a third-party witness.
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  Speaker 2: In theory, he is the most objective person in the
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  Speaker 2: room because he has no deep emotional ties to either party.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: He tells the police that he was there for exactly
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  Speaker 2: three minutes. He says he was just hanging out, petting
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  Speaker 2: her dog, And suddenly the front door opens.
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy doesn't know. He just barges in unannounced, and he
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  Speaker 2: is immediately demanding his stuff specifically, his Social Security card.
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  Speaker 1: The anatomy of that specific demand is fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 1: Because a Social Security card isn't just a random item
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  Speaker 1: like a hoodie or a toothbrush.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's identity.
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  Speaker 1: It's government paperwork. It's the kind of thing you actually
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  Speaker 1: need if you are, say, applying for a job or
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  Speaker 1: checking into rehab or trying to get your life on
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  Speaker 1: the straight and narrow, which his family said he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. It is a highly charged item disguised as a
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  Speaker 2: mundane piece of paper.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And when Jeremy barges in demanding it, the friend's reaction
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  Speaker 2: is incredibly telling. He tells the police, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: give you guys a minute to talk. This is your
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  Speaker 2: personal conversation.
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  Speaker 1: And he just leaves.
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  Speaker 2: He literally walks out the door and goes to his
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  Speaker 2: car to grab a drill or something.
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  Speaker 1: He just completely nopes out of the room, which, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I can't blame him for.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: You're a near stranger, you're holding AA batteries, and a
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  Speaker 1: guy bursts in screaming about a Social Security card. You
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  Speaker 1: remove yourself.
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  Speaker 2: It is the most natural human instinct in the world.
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  Speaker 2: He removes himself from the tension, but while he is
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  Speaker 2: at his car, just outside the house, he hears a sound.
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  Speaker 2: The pop. A pop. He explicitly tells the officers... that
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  Speaker 2: it didn't even sound like a gunshot to him because
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  Speaker 2: it happened indoors.
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  Speaker 1: We hear this so often in true crime, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it sounded like a firecracker or it sounded like
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  Speaker 1: a heavy book dropping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Why is the acoustic signature of a gunshot so confusing
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  Speaker 1: to the human ear when it happens inside a house?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's because Hollywood has conditioned us to expect this booming,
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  Speaker 2: echoing blast.
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  Speaker 1: Like an action movie.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But the acoustics of a gunshot inside a residential
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  Speaker 2: house are heavily muffled and distorted. When a gun goes
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  Speaker 2: off in a kitchen or a hallway... The sound waves
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  Speaker 2: instantly hit drywall, carpeting, furniture.
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  Speaker 1: So it gets absorbed.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The energy is absorbed and reflected in very chaotic ways.
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  Speaker 2: If doors are closed or if the sound reverberates off
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  Speaker 2: the walls at certain angles, it loses that sharp, cracking
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  Speaker 2: transient that you hear at an outdoor firing range.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: So to a guy standing by his car outside, it
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  Speaker 2: just sounded like a heavy pop. But then seconds later.
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  Speaker 2: The front door flies open.
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  Speaker 1: And Jeremy comes stumbling down the steps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He is bleeding from a through and through bullet wound
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  Speaker 1: to the abdomen. And Heather is right behind him. Absolutely frantic.
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  Speaker 2: Complete chaos.
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  Speaker 1: The friend tells police that she was immediately claiming it
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  Speaker 1: was an accident, screaming, leave me alone. He has beaten
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  Speaker 1: me before. Just like that. In the span of maybe
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  Speaker 1: 90 seconds, the battery change turns into a shattered reality.
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  Speaker 2: The transition from a domestic argument over a piece of
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  Speaker 2: paper to a fatal bleeding gunshot wound. happens in mere seconds.
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  Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: And the 911 call that follows is just a masterclass
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  Speaker 2: in auditory chaos. The dispatchers and the first responding officers
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  Speaker 2: are thrust into an absolute nightmare scenario.
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  Speaker 1: The audio from the scene is incredibly distressing to listen to.
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  Speaker 1: You hear Jeremy on the ground, literally clinging to life.
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  Speaker 1: He is bleeding profusely. Right. And for those who might
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  Speaker 1: not know, a through and through wound means the bullet
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  Speaker 1: didn't just hit him and stop inside his body. It
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  Speaker 1: entered his abdomen, tore through whatever organs were in its path,
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  Speaker 1: and exited out his back.
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  Speaker 2: Which presents a massive immediate trauma crisis. With a through
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  Speaker 2: and through, you don't just have one bleeding hole to
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  Speaker 2: worry about, you have two.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The physics of a bullet passing completely through a
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  Speaker 2: human torso means it is transferring an immense amount of
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  Speaker 2: kinetic energy, destroying tissue and vascular structures along the entire
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  Speaker 2: wound channel.
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  Speaker 1: So the officers are just scrambling. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to assess the entry and exit, demanding someone
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  Speaker 2: hold pressure on the wounds. They're talking to Jeremy, trying
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  Speaker 2: to keep him conscious, saying, you know, keep breathing, bro.
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  Speaker 2: I gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: And in the background, you have Heather. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Heather is entirely consumed by panic. She is trying to help.
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  Speaker 2: She is trying to hold pressure with towels. But she
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  Speaker 2: is completely hysterical. And the one phrase she keeps repeating
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  Speaker 2: over and over again to anyone who will listen is,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a fascinating psychological defense mechanism happening in real time. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because while a man is literally bleeding to death at
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  Speaker 2: her feet and an officer is physically trying to get
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  Speaker 2: her to step away so they could administer trauma care,
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  Speaker 2: she is screaming her pregnancy status like a shield.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She wants them to know she's vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: She insists it was a total accident. She's saying, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't mean to shoot him. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of all this blood, the screaming, the compressions,
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  Speaker 2: the officers realize they have a massive tactical problem on
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  Speaker 2: their hands.
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  Speaker 1: Because they don't know where the gun is.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Which is the primary overarching concern for any first responder
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  Speaker 1: entering a shooting scene. The victim is down, yes, but
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  Speaker 1: the scene is legally and tactically not secure until the
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  Speaker 1: weapon is neutralized.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because there could be another shooter. Or the shooter
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: could pick it back up. They have a hysterical woman,
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  Speaker 2: a bleeding man, a random witness in the yard, and
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  Speaker 2: an unaccounted for firearms. They start asking her, where's the firearm?
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  Speaker 1: And she is incredibly vague. She says it's in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: maybe on the floor. She just dropped it when she
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  Speaker 1: realized what she had done. So the officers have to
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  Speaker 1: actually draw their own weapons and clear the house.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the turning point.
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  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. The officers step over
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  Speaker 1: the blood pool, leave the kitchen, and start sweeping this
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  Speaker 1: seemingly normal residential house. And what they find is not
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  Speaker 1: just the missing. 45 caliber pistol.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, was eventually located sitting near a
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: pot on the floor, what they find is an absolute
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: unregulated armory.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: The contrast between the mundane morning routine and what is
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: hidden behind the doors of that house is staggering.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: It's insane. The police walk into the bedrooms and they
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: find a shotgun just casually propped up behind a door.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Like an umbrella.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Literally. They find AR-15 magazines. They find AK-47 magazines. They
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: find scattered loose bullets of various different calibers on surfaces.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Just lying around.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they find multiple rifles that the police describe on
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: their own body cams as being loaded to the hilt.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: And right in the middle of all this weaponry, on
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: the bed where Heather claims she was sleeping because she
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: was tired, they find drug paraphernalia.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Wow. We have to heavily analyze the dichotomy of this
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: specific environment because it goes directly to state of mind.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Explain that.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Well, on one hand, you have Heather outside on the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: lawn presenting herself as a terrified... pregnant victim who claims
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: she doesn't know much about guns, saying she just picked
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: one up to scare her abusive boyfriend.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, she is sleeping in a
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: house that is fortified like a war zone.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I try to put myself in the shoes of someone
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: living in that space. A lot of people might think, well,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: if you're surrounded by guns, you'd be more careful with them.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: You'd think so.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: But actually, I think the opposite happens. It's the normalization
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: of lethal tools. If you sleep next to an AK-47
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: magazine and there's a shotgun behind your bathroom door... A loaded.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: 45 caliber pistol sitting on the kitchen counter stops registering
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: as a deadly weapon.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: It just blends in.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: It just becomes furniture. It becomes as casual a reflex
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to pick it up as reaching for a frying pan
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: or your car keys. Am I wrong to think that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: living in that kind of unregulated armory completely erodes the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: natural psychological barrier a normal person should have before pointing
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a firearm at another human being.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: You are exactly right. It absolutely erodes that barrier, and
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it happens subconsciously. When lethal force is ubiquitous in your environment,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: when it is just lying around next to the laundry,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: it normalizes the presence of death.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: That is so dark.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: It is, but the psychological threshold for escalation drops drastically.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: In a normal household, if you are in a heated,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: terrifying argument, Your brain's menu of available options might include
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: throwing a flight or grabbing your keys and playing or
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: picking up a phone to dial 911.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Because that's what's normal. Right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: But if you are in a house where there's a loaded.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: 45 sitting casually on a dresser, the brain's menu of
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: available options during a panic response suddenly includes a firearm.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Because it's literally within arm's reach.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The roommate, who supposedly owns the house and works
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: a night shift until 8.00 a.m., has curated a highly
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: dangerous paranoid environment.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And she's just living in it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And Heather, despite claiming ignorance about firearms, was entirely immersed
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: in that environment. She was breathing that air every single day.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Wow. So Jeremy is rushed to the hospital in an ambulance.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: The house of guns is cordoned off with crime scene tape.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: The scene is finally secure.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And the entire focus of the investigation violently narrows down
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: onto Heather. We move from the physical, bloody chaos of
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the kitchen floor... to the psychological, sterile battleground of the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: police interrogation.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: This transition is always deeply jarring for a suspect. I bet.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Out on the lawn, the adrenaline is masking the reality
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of what just happened. But once they're placed in the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: back of a cruiser, the adrenaline starts to crash, the
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: silence sets in, and the crushing weight of the legal
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: system becomes real.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: It hicks them all at once.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: The officers actually read her Miranda rights right there on
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the scene.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They read her the rights we've all heard a million
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: times on television. You have the right to remain silent.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Anything you say can and will be used against you
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in a court of law. And they place her in handcuffs.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: But there is a detail here that really stood out.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this really struck me. Because she is four months pregnant,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the officers actually accommodate her. They move the handcuffs from
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: behind her back to the front of her body to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: protect the baby and reduce the strain on her abdomen.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Which is standard protocol, but still compassionate.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Right. And as she is standing there, in front-cuffed hands,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: having just fired a bullet through her child's father, she
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: makes this incredibly strange request. She asks the arresting officer
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: if she can... hit her vape or smoke a cigarette she.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Even prefaces it by acknowledging the absurdity saying i know
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: this is a crazy request because i'm.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Pregnant yeah she actually says that but she says she
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: is having a panic attack and she just needs to
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: take the edge off and what do they say the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: officer very calmly says no because they are processing a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: crime scene and they have no idea what substance is
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: actually inside that vape. Right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It could be THC. It could be anything.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly. But it is such a bizarre moment of cognitive dissonance.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: She just fired a. 45 caliber bullet through a man's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: organs and her immediate plight request is for a nicotine
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: hit to manage her stress.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the sheer power of the human
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: brain's defense mechanisms when faced with unmanageable trauma.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It's just trying to cope.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Heather is in a state of profound physiological shock. Her
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: reality is just broken into pieces, and her brain is
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: desperately trying to construct a narrative that minimizes her culpability,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: not just for the police, but for herself.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Like trying to make things feel normal again.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. She needs to regain some semblance of control over
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: her physical body, hence the request for the vape. It's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a self-soothing behavior. You see this in car crashes. where
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: people will calmly look for their sunglasses while their car
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: is upside down.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah, I've heard of that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, pay attention to how she starts shifting
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: her story as the officers expertly keep her talking.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, the story starts to morph almost immediately.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: How so?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: First, she creates distance between herself and the armory. She
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: claims the guns all belong to her roommate, Blake, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that he specifically told her they were there for protection
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: so she should feel safe while he was at work.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she's shifting ownership.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Then she starts layering in the justifications for her fear.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: She claims Jeremy was verbally abusive. But then she pivots
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to this entirely separate, wild detail. She claims she suffers
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: from severe PTSD because a few months prior, she was
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: allegedly kidnapped and severely beaten by a completely different man
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: named Drew Rossi.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: She is laying down the psychological groundwork for a self-defense claim,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: whether she consciously realizes she is doing it or not.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: She is communicating a very specific profile to the police.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: She's saying, look at me. I am a traumatized woman.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I have been brutally victimized by men in the past.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I am pregnant. I was cornered and I was terrified.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: But the police aren't just buying it wholesale.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: The police in Athens are seasoned investigators. They are politely
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: listening to her emotional narrative, yes. But internally, they are
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: analyzing the mechanical, physical reality of the shooting.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Right, because the mechanics of her story are where things
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: start to sound physically impossible.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: She tells the office signs that she grabbed the gun
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: from the bedroom solely to scare Jeremy into leaving. She
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: claims she had absolutely no idea it was loaded. She
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: claims she didn't know a bullet was in the chamber.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Which is what everyone says.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She says she had the gun pointed at the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: ground and she was yelling at him to get out.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And somehow during the yelling, her finger just stuck.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Stuck.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: She says, and I quote, My hand tensed up and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know my finger was on the trigger
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and it just went off.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Which is a physiological and mechanical improbability that any firearms
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: expert would immediately flag.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Why is that?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: We are talking about a. 45 caliber pistol. This is
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: not a hair trigger on a customized target rifle. These
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: weapons have significant trigger pulls.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Meaning you have to squeeze hard.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. If it's a double action pull. it could require
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: anywhere from 5 to 10 pounds of deliberate pressure to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: make the hammer fall. You don't just brush a heavy
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: trigger and have it accidentally discharge while pointing it at
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the floor, only for the bullet to somehow perfectly redirect
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and strike a man squarely in the abdomen. A. 45
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: requires deliberate, pound-heavy pressure to fire.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Are we sure about that, though? Because I know that
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: sympathetic muscle reflexes are a real thing. If you are terrified...
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and your heart rate is at 180 beats per minute,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and you are gripping something tightly while screaming, couldn't your
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: hand just involuntarily clench?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Sympathetic muscle clenching is real, yes. If you stumble, or
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: if your other hand grabs something violently, the hand holding
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the gun can mirror that contraction. Okay. But the issue
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is the geometry of her story. She claims she was
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: pointing it at the ground. For a sympathetic clench to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: result in a through-and-through abdominal wound, she would have had
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to simultaneously clench the trigger with several pounds of force,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: while swinging the muzzle up from the floor to center mass.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of things happening at once.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It is a complex series of physical actions that defies
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the simple, my finger just got stuck narrative. It suggests,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: at the very least, a gross, reckless handling of a
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: lethal weapon while it was pointed at a human being.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. And while she is in custody,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: there is this one recurring interaction she has with the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: police that genuinely unsettled me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, about his condition?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She keeps asking the officers about Jeremy's condition, which
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: sounds normal on the surface, but she frames it so strangely.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: She says to the officer, do you think he's going
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to die? Like, what percentage do you not think he's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: going to die?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Asking for a percentage.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. She is essentially demanding that the officers do the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: emotional labor of managing her anxiety with arbitrary percentages. The officer,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: trying to keep her calm, tells her he thinks Jeremy
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: will pull through, and she immediately fires back, are you
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: just telling me that so I won't have a panic
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: attack and freak out?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: That's very telling.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Looking at those interactions, is her primary concern actually Jeremy's life,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: or is she just terrified of waking up to the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: reality that she is a murderer?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: It is almost entirely the latter, based on the linguistic markers. Really?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: When you analyze her transcripts, the focus is incredibly self-centric.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want my baby to be born without a dad.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I hate myself for this. Are you saying this so
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I won't have a panic attack? Her concern for Jeremy's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: survival is inextricably linked to her concern for her own
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: future and her own self-image. If he lives, he goes
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to the hospital, he recovers, and this is a horrific,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: tragic mistake she can apologize for and move past.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: But if he dies, she crosses an event horizon. She
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is fundamentally a killer. She will go to prison and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: she will lose her child. Her psyche simply cannot integrate
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that identity yet. So she is begging the police to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: promise her that the nightmare isn't real.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So to verify her story of this being a pure
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: terrifying accident, the detectives realize they can't just rely on
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: her words in the interrogation room.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: They never do.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Human memory is flawed and suspect memory is inherently self-serving.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: They have to look at the digital footprint. They take
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: us back in time, seizing her phone to read the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: text messages sent just hours before the trigger was pulled.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And in a modern homicide investigation, the digital footprint is
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: often the most devastating, unassailable piece of evidence.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Because it doesn't lie.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It strips away the carefully constructed sympathetic narratives of
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the interrogation room and shows you the raw, unfiltered mindset
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: of the suspect in the exact moments leading up to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the crime.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And what they find on her phone completely changes the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: complexion of the case. Remember how we talked about her
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: blocking him the day before?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dropping him off and blocking the number?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Well, the detectives look at her phone and find out
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that she actually unblocked him earlier that very same morning,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: June 12th.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: The morning of the shooting.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Jeremy had texted her asking for a ride. And this
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: seemingly simple request sparked a massive vitriolic textual argument. Heather
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: felt entirely used. She tells detectives that she was always
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: doing things for him, giving him money, giving him rides,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: buying him food and cigarettes. And she explicitly mentions taking
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: him to the DRC.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Let's clarify what the DRC is because it's a critical
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: detail that shows how entrenched they were in the system.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: What does it stand for?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: DRC stands for Day Reporting Center. It is a facility
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: used by the probation and parole system. Instead of being
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: locked up, individuals struggling with addiction or minor offenses go
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to the DRC for mandatory drug testing, behavioral classes, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: daily check-ins.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So when Heather says she is taking him to the DRC,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: it means she is actively facilitating his state-mandated recovery process.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It is a heavy burden for a pregnant partner to carry.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Right. She feels like she is managing his entire life,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and she feels like a pushover. And Jeremy, feeling the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: tension through the phone, feeling that she is resenting him,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hits her with an insult that acts as the ultimate catalyst.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He calls her his bad karma.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Which is a devastatingly precise psychological strike.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: She tells the detectives that this specific insult deeply, deeply
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: wounded her. She felt like she sacrificed everything to help
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: him get clean, and he reduces her to bad karma.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So what does she reply?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: In response to this, Heather sends a series of damning texts.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: She types out, telling him to never talk to me again.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And then she explicitly writes that her life is less
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: stressful and better without him in it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Let's pause and weigh the profound gravity of those words
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: in a legal context. Okay. If you are a homicide
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: detective or a prosecutor building a case and you have
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: a dead body on the kitchen floor and you find
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a text message sent merely hours earlier by the shooter saying,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: my life is better without you in it, that is
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: a massive glowing red flag for premeditation or malicious intent.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Wait, I really have to push back on that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Because if you think about it and you connect this
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to normal human behavior... How often do you or anyone
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: else send a highly dramatic, absolute scorched earth text message
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: during a fight with a partner?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: It happens.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: People type, I wish I never met you or my
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: life would be better without you all the time in
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the heat of the moment. Texting flattens human emotion. It
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: strips away the tears, the exhaustion, the nuance, and leaves
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: behind these cold, permanent words.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: It's toxic, sure, but it's incredibly common. So what does
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this all mean? Are you saying a prosecutor actually looks
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: at a standard dramatic breakup text and equates it to
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: cold-blooded premeditated murder?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: That is the incredibly difficult needle the justice system has
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to thread. And you hit on exactly why digital evidence
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: is so dangerous. Text messages do flatten emotion. They are
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: read in a sterile courtroom months later by a jury
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that has never met you, devoid of the frantic, crying
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: tone in which they were typed. A prosecutor doesn't look
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: at the text in a vacuum. They look at the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: totality of the circumstances.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: They zoom out.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They have to differentiate between malice of forethought, which
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is the intent to kill, and heat of the moment, venting.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: To do that, they weigh the text against the physical evidence,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the angle of the shot, the presence of the maintenance
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: man witness, and the chaotic nature of the 911 call.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So if she had texted something more specific.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: If she had texted, I am going to buy a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: gun and kill you. That is clear, undeniable intent. But
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: texting my life is better without you, followed by her frantic,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: hysterical attempts to hold pressure on his wounds, suggests a
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: devastating lack of emotional and physical control rather than a
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: calculated assassination plan.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And that subtle nuance, the difference between a cold-blooded killer
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and a reckless, terrified person who lost control, becomes the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: entire battleground for the climax of this narrative.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Because while Heather is sitting in that interrogation room desperately
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: trying to explain away those text messages... The detectives come
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: back in and they have to deliver the devastating reveal.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: The absolute finality of the situation crashes down on her.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: They sit her down and she looks up and asks
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if he is OK. And the detective, very stoically, simply says, unfortunately,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: he did not survive. The doctors did everything they could. Oh, God.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And Heather completely breaks down. The transcripts describe the physical
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: reality of her grief. Used tissues scattered everywhere, hyperventilating. She
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: is sobbing, screaming, oh my God, over and over.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: The reality has finally set in.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: She asks if she can see his body. She begs
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to just go home. It is the moment that faulty
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: rubber band we talked about finally snaps back and destroys
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: everything in its path.
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  Speaker 2: But the justice system, unlike human beings, cannot pause for grief.
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  Speaker 2: They have to categorize the tragedy. They have to assign
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  Speaker 2: a numerical value, a legal categorization, to a life lost
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  Speaker 2: by accident.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where the legal charges get fascinating because
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they don't do what you might expect. Right. Despite the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: angry text messages, despite the armory of weapons in the house,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: despite her finger mysteriously getting stuck on a. 45, the
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  Speaker 1: police and the district attorney decide not to charge Heather
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  Speaker 1: McCall with murder.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a huge decision.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, they charge her with involuntary manslaughter and reckless conduct
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  Speaker 1: for her handling of the firearm.
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  Speaker 2: Which tells us a massive amount about how the prosecution
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  Speaker 2: internally viewed the strength of their own evidence. They ran
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  Speaker 2: the math, and they realized a murder conviction was risky.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Let's break down why. Involuntary manslaughter in Georgia generally means
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  Speaker 2: causing the death of another human being without any intention
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  Speaker 2: to do so by the commission of an unlawful act
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  Speaker 2: other than a felony. In this specific case, the underlying
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  Speaker 2: unlawful act was reckless conduct. Reckless conduct means consciously disregarding
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  Speaker 2: a substantial unjustifiable risk that your act will cause harm
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  Speaker 2: or endanger safety.
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  Speaker 1: So pointing a loaded. 45 at someone's stomach, even if
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  Speaker 1: you allegedly didn't know it was chambered, fits that perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It is a gross deviation from the standard of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: care a reasonable person would exercise. The prosecutor looked at
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  Speaker 2: the 911 tape of her screaming for him to live.
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  Speaker 2: They looked at the bizarre presence of the battery-changing friend
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  Speaker 2: who testified it sounded like an accident. And they looked
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  Speaker 2: at her lack of a violent criminal history.
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  Speaker 1: So murder was just off the table.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't believe they could prove malice aforethought beyond a
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  Speaker 2: reasonable doubt to 12 jurors. So they went with the
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  Speaker 2: charge that perfectly fit the chaotic and negligent reality of
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  Speaker 2: the scene.
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  Speaker 1: So she is charged with involuntary manslaughter and she goes
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  Speaker 1: to jail. But because it isn't a murder charge, she
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: is legally eligible for bail. She spends about three months
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  Speaker 1: in the Athens-Clarke County Jail from June to September 2024.
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  Speaker 1: And then she makes bail. And we enter this bizarre, surreal,
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  Speaker 1: interstitial period of her life.
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  Speaker 2: The optics of this period are incredibly jarring. And they
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: highlight a deep friction in our legal system between the
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  Speaker 2: presumption of innocence and public perception.
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  Speaker 1: It is truly jarring. Jeremy is in the ground. He
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: is dead. But Heather is out on bail. And according
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to the digital trail and social media posts, she moves
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  Speaker 1: in with her grandparents. And she's living a seemingly joyful,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: normal life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Life goes on for her.
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  Speaker 1: On September 23rd, 2024, she has a baby shower. In October,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: she gives birth to their daughter. She spends over a
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: year out on Dale. She celebrates her daughter's first Christmas,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: their first Easter. They take family trips to the beach.
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  Speaker 2: While awaiting trial.
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  Speaker 1: She is posting pictures, all while the man she shot
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: is never going to see any of it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: The dissonance between her day-to-day reality, eating cake at a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: baby shower, and the gravity of her pending homicide charges
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  Speaker 2: is profound. But we have to understand the mechanics of bail.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that, because people get so angry about it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Bail is not a reward, and it is not a
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: declaration of innocence. It is simply a financial guarantee that
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you will return for your court date. Legally, she is
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: presumed innocent until proven guilty, and she met the financial
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: threshold set by the judge to secure her freedom pending trial.
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  Speaker 1: So the system is doing what it's supposed to do.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: The system's functioning exactly as designed. However... The emotional toll
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: on the victim's family, watching the woman who shot their
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: son celebrate holidays and take beach vacations with his unborn child,
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  Speaker 2: must have been utterly, indescribably agonizing.
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  Speaker 1: That agony eventually comes to a head in December of 2025,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: when the sentencing finally takes place. Heather avoids a trial
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  Speaker 1: and takes a plea deal. Right.
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  Speaker 2: She pleads guilty.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: She pleads guilty to the charges. But before Judge Lisa
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Lott hands down the sentence, letters are read to the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: court from Heather's family. And this is where I find
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: myself getting genuinely angry at the process.
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  Speaker 2: The character letters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Her grandmother writes a letter leaning heavily on Heather's
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Christian morals, saying she just made a mistake and got
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: with the wrong man. The grandmother actually writes on the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: public record that Jeremy was mental and abusive to her
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  Speaker 1: physically and mentally.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Ouch.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: A woman calling herself Heather's new mom writes that Heather
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: is a sweet person who never meant to hurt anyone
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and begs the court to let her stay out and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: raise her baby.
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  Speaker 2: It is a classic, albeit painful, defense strategy at sentencing.
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  Speaker 1: It just feels so wrong.
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  Speaker 2: When you reach the sentencing phase, guilt is no longer
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: in question. The defense's entire job shifts to mitigation. You
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: highlight the defendant's humanity, you emphasize their potential for rehabilitation,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and very often you subtly or not so subtly degrade
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the character of the victim to contextualize the crime and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: make the defendant look like a victim of circumstance.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: But Jeremy's family stated early on that he was trying
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to get clean. that he was dedicating himself to the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: straight and narrow for his new baby. He was going
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: to the DRC. But in the courtroom, Heather's family totally
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: assassinates his character, calling him mental, essentially weaponizing his past
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: struggles with addiction to justify why Heather should get a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: lighter sentence. In our justice system, does the victim's reputation
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: inevitably go on trial just to save the defendant from
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a longer prison sentence? Is that just the ugly, accepted
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: reality of how this game is played?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It is one of the most painful adversarial realities of
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the criminal justice system. And yes, it happens constantly. At sentencing,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the defense will use any tool available to lower the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: number of years their client will spend in a cage.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: It's just brutal.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, one of the most effective ways to mitigate
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a defendant's culpability in the eyes of a judge is
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to portray the victim as a contributing factor to their
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: own demise. It is horrific for the victim's family to endure.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: They are mourning a son. and they have to sit
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: in a courtroom and listen to him be called mental.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But legally, the judge has to weigh the total character
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of the defendant and the historical context of the relationship.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: It's an imperfect, often cruel balancing act on the scales
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of justice.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And Judge Lott makes her decision. She sentences Heather McCall
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  Speaker 1: to 10 years, but it's what they call a split sentence.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Let's break down exactly how a split sentence functions in
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the Georgia penal system, because a 10-year sentence rarely means
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: 10 years in a cell.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Right. Because of the 10 years, only four years will
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: be served in actual physical confinement at the McRae Women's Facility.
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  Speaker 1: The remaining six years will be served on probation.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And there's time served, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She got credit for the time she already served
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: in county jail before she made bail, meaning her actual
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: release date from prison is slated for September of 2029.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And the baby, the child that was the center of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: all this tension, the catalyst for Jeremy trying to get clean,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is being raised by Heather's parents while she sits in
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a cell.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: A 10-year split sentence for taking a human life. Four
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: years in a physical cell. It is a stark, sobering
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: reminder that the justice system rarely provides true emotional or
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: moral closure. It only provides a strict legal conclusion. The
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: ledger is balanced on paper, but the reality is a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: shattered family tree.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And that brings us full circle. A relationship defined by
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: toxic breakups, digital blocking, and desperate makeups.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: An unannounced morning visit over a piece of paper. a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: social security card, a bizarre favor from a maintenance man
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: fixing an electric trash can at 8 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Such a strange detail.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: And an unsecured, loaded. 45 caliber pistol lying around in
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: a house full of guns. All of it colliding in
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a single deafening pop that left a father dead on
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a kitchen floor and a mother locked in a Georgia prison.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: When you connect this specific case to the broader human experience...
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: You know, when you hear a story like this, it
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: is so.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: incredibly easy to distance yourself.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: To sit back and say, well, I don't have an
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: armory in my house or I would never pick up
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a gun during an argument. But I want you to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: really feel the irreversible weight of what happened here. Think
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: about how many times you've been furiously, blindingly angry at someone.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: We all have.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: How many times you wanted to win an argument or
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: just make the other person back down or make them
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: feel the pain you were feeling. When you introduce a
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: firearm into that emotional equation, even if you just pick
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it up to scare them, even if you are entirely
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: convinced the safety is on or the chamber is empty,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you are crossing an event horizon.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: There's no going back.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: You are playing with physics and biology in a way
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you cannot take back. A single second of lost emotional
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: control is a momentary sympathetic flinch of a finger can
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: rewrite the entire future of a family tree. Jeremy will
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: never meet his daughter. Heather will spend the first four
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: formative years of her child's life in a concrete cell
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: at McRae.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: The consequences are absolute and they are entirely permanent.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But before we go, I want to leave you with
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: one lingering, unsettling thought that we haven't fully unpacked. Consider
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: that maintenance a friend.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: The guy who was only there for three minutes holding
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: AA batteries. If that electric trash can didn't need batteries
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that morning, Heather would have been completely alone when Jeremy
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: walked in.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Would the outcome have been the same? Or does the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: sudden presence of a stranger, an audience, standing in your
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: living room subconsciously force us to escalate our private conflicts?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It's a really interesting point.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Does having a near stranger watch us argue push us
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to perform our anger, to prove we aren't weak, to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: pick up the gun to show we are in control
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: rather than just diffusing the tension privately? If the house
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: had been empty, would that gun have ever been picked up?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: This raises a deeply unsettling question about human nature. Sometimes
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the audience we are trying to impress or the witness
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: we are trying to look strong in front of is
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the very thing that seals our fate.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Something to think about the next time you change the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: batteries in your kitchen.