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Truth (Box) or Dare · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the almost of this podcast. It's
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  Speaker 2: Ashley and it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's you, Ben, it's me.
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  Speaker 2: After all these years, you know, we're introducing ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why I did. I just did.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I hope people, hope people know. Actually, I
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  Speaker 5: gotta tell you a story. As we kicked this off.
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  Speaker 5: You know, as we mentioned weeks ago, I was going
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  Speaker 5: to start quite a bit of travel. I've been in
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  Speaker 5: that and I've been in two different airports now, but
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  Speaker 5: this where people have came up to me and said,
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  Speaker 5: I just love to listen to your podcast. This week
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  Speaker 5: was a really incredible week where I was sitting and
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  Speaker 5: getting ready to get on my flight home from DC,
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  Speaker 5: sat next to a guy. He goes my and he
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  Speaker 5: just says like, hey, my wife listens to your show
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  Speaker 5: and tells me kind of about their story. He ends
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  Speaker 5: up buying me my drink. Oh fine, It's very sweet
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  Speaker 5: of them. Super And then at the same time, somebody
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  Speaker 5: came up from behind and she shared a story that
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  Speaker 5: she was on her way to her father's celebration of
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  Speaker 5: life in Arizona, and she said that she's listened to
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  Speaker 5: us since the very beginning. Absolutely loves the show. She said,
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  Speaker 5: I love Ashley Ashley. She's like when I first watched
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  Speaker 5: her on TV, I didn't think I could relate it
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  Speaker 5: with her. But the more I get to know Ashley,
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  Speaker 5: I can relate with her so much.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: So I just want to share that with you.
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  Speaker 5: Some very nice people have been coming out in airports
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  Speaker 5: just to say they listen to the show, or they
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  Speaker 5: you know, maybe their girlfriend listened to the show.
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  Speaker 3: It always makes me feel warm inside.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's exciting, but yeah, I just want
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  Speaker 5: to give that a little shout out, and that again,
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  Speaker 5: actually you are still loved and you always will be loved.
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  Speaker 5: And at the same time, we have a lot of
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  Speaker 5: love to talk about this week on Paradise, and so
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  Speaker 5: it's a big episode.
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  Speaker 3: Ashley.
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  Speaker 5: I know that you are fresh off of watching it.
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  Speaker 5: Your your thoughts are very clear. Yes, I uh, I'm
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  Speaker 5: fresh off of watching it as well. And uh, I
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  Speaker 5: just you know, that was the first thing I did
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  Speaker 5: this morning, is I watched Paradise. Quite a way to
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  Speaker 5: wake up and have your coffee.
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  Speaker 4: Is Yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Nice and Paradise just pull my laptop, onto my lap,
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  Speaker 2: get a cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 4: It's great.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was overall just like confusing to me in
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  Speaker 2: some ways.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, wow, Okay, I guess we'll hit on them as
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  Speaker 4: we go through.
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  Speaker 2: We we We'll start with the first big storyline, which
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  Speaker 2: was the fact that Sam hasn't pooped, so she will
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  Speaker 2: be leaving again.
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  Speaker 4: Confused the theme that she didn't try.
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  Speaker 2: An enema, she must have kind of kind of wanted
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  Speaker 2: to leave.
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  Speaker 4: She must have kind of just wanted to leave.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I mean, you know, my my thought there was
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  Speaker 5: I was confused to until the end. And obviously we're
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  Speaker 5: gonna get into that where Aaron Est kind of has
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  Speaker 5: his I was wondering.
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  Speaker 3: If she kind of him.
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  Speaker 4: She probably like him, Yeah, she.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't like convinced, and she's like, I don't feel good
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  Speaker 5: and this isn't working for me, so I'm gonna go home.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't seem compatible, to be honest. The more we
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  Speaker 2: get to know him, I'm like, he's drama, he's angsty,
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  Speaker 2: and she just seems well adjusted. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, even in the midst of a very weird time,
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  Speaker 5: she was just kind of chill and cool about it.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think there's anybody that I've ever met
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  Speaker 5: in my life that would have handled that situation with
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  Speaker 5: as much like grace and just comedy and also like
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  Speaker 5: realness as she did. I'm sure it was embarrassing for
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  Speaker 5: She's went home. I'm I would say, I'm shocked that
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  Speaker 5: it didn't happen. I really thought this was all a
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  Speaker 5: teaser to for it to happen at some point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very surprised.
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  Speaker 2: There was gonna be like some silly like the turtle thing,
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  Speaker 2: like there were gonna be so many things they were.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna like shoot fireworks or something.
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  Speaker 2: And definitely thought it was leading up to something that
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  Speaker 2: they were gonna make funny, and then at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the episode of realized it's truly not funny because
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  Speaker 2: she's been gone for two days and she still hasn't gone,
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  Speaker 2: assuming that she's in America, and you know, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 2: she's gone to the hospital now.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm hoping she posts on Instagram and update like
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  Speaker 5: hey she did, like it's been months now, Like I think,
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  Speaker 5: I think we need to get an update, like hey,
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  Speaker 5: all it all worked out.
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  Speaker 4: I do want to know the whole story.
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel guilty because it's weird to like know
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  Speaker 2: somebody's private business like that. But yeah, she should definitely
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  Speaker 2: post an Instagram reel explaining the moment it actually happened,
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  Speaker 2: not explain it. I don't know, Okay, Well tell me
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  Speaker 2: how many days? Tell me how many days? And did
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  Speaker 2: it have Did it happen at home or was the hospital?
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  Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: And I would love to know from Sam, like what
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  Speaker 5: was the feeling like of jubilation.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It probably hurt like hell.
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  Speaker 3: I would like to know that, but I don't need
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  Speaker 3: the details.
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  Speaker 4: I don't need to know tell me the details, but
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  Speaker 4: I need the details.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's the big storyline at the beginning, and
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  Speaker 5: then it goes away, and it probably should.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about it for weeks.
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  Speaker 5: It's been in every teaser, it has its own animals
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  Speaker 5: making fun of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's done, it's gone.
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  Speaker 5: But I do just think we should end it Ashley
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  Speaker 5: with being very clear, but we are on team Sam.
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  Speaker 5: We feel really bad for her. There is nothing embarrassing
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  Speaker 5: about that. Nobody is judging her. In fact, I hope
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  Speaker 5: nobody on any date and for the rest of her
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  Speaker 5: life brings it up to her. She can bring it up,
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  Speaker 5: that's fine, Like, hey, I'm a girl known as the
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  Speaker 5: girl Couldn't Poop on Paradise but just really a big
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  Speaker 5: fan of Sam and I'm sorry her chapter ended like this.
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  Speaker 4: Totally totally all right.
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  Speaker 2: So next big drama is John Henry comes down the
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  Speaker 2: stairs and John Heunter is cute and I get why
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  Speaker 2: everybody's into him. He kind of has a pilot Pete look,
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  Speaker 2: and Kat seems like she's complimenting him a lot. And
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  Speaker 2: he also pulls Kylie and Olivia and he ends up
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  Speaker 2: asking Olivia on the date. I was surprised by this
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  Speaker 2: because they seem like complete and total opposites.
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  Speaker 4: This guy is relaxed, just browie.
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  Speaker 3: He's also awkward.
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  Speaker 4: He's very awkward ward yeah, but like.
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  Speaker 5: Socially very like shy and kind of endearing, endearing in
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  Speaker 5: so many ways. I don't think that's not I don't
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  Speaker 5: say awkward in like a bad in a bad way
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  Speaker 5: as much as like, I just don't.
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  Speaker 3: He's not as smooth as.
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  Speaker 4: It, which I like like.
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  Speaker 2: I like the fact that he's hot but doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: this like ego not cockiness to go with it.
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  Speaker 5: And he's interesting. He has a great story. I would
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  Speaker 5: argue back to you, Ashley. And so really that the
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  Speaker 5: Olivia John Henry relationship makes sense to me only because
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  Speaker 5: in my life I have so many people who have
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  Speaker 5: been married for their lives who are very similar.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy is maybe a little shyer, more awkward,
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  Speaker 5: quieter kind of just like enjoys his things, and then
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  Speaker 5: his partner is usually like more outgoing, like boisterous, and
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  Speaker 5: he just kind of sits back and smiles, and he
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  Speaker 5: he loves it and he laughs at it, and he's
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  Speaker 5: so appreciative that she keeps that like humor and spark
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  Speaker 5: in the relationship and that she's so loved by everybody,
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  Speaker 5: and she's so extroverted and the guy's just kind of
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  Speaker 5: more quiet. I know many couples like that, and it
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  Speaker 5: works because they both love the uniqueness of each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely an opposite to attract attraction. Sure, And
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  Speaker 2: I can see how she made him comfortable because she's
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  Speaker 2: so not shy that it made the date not awkward
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  Speaker 2: because like she was just like pulling it along. Could
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  Speaker 2: you imagine if he did pick somebody who's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more subdued that it would just be like pulling
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  Speaker 2: teeth But they had a great time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be very quiet.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Here's the confusion for me.
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  Speaker 2: I watched this date and then make out in the
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  Speaker 2: pool and have this cute chemistry, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why is she even considering Peter at home? As they
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  Speaker 2: as they wrap the date, She's like, I'm excited that
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  Speaker 2: I get to have like both of them right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know about you, but I
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  Speaker 2: am sold on John Henry for you, Peter, You're he
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  Speaker 2: gave him a rose because like there was nobody else
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  Speaker 2: to give a rose to or like or he gave
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  Speaker 2: you a rose because there's no one else to give
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  Speaker 2: a rose to.
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  Speaker 4: You guys don't have anything.
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  Speaker 3: He might be the safe choice. He might be the
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  Speaker 3: safe choice right now.
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  Speaker 4: Why because like he's less sought after.
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  Speaker 3: He's left sought after and the John Henry deal.
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  Speaker 5: I think she understands who he is, right She knows
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  Speaker 5: that he's nervous and he's a little awkward and he's shy.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that definitely like pulled her in and
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  Speaker 5: she was very attracted to that. But I think there's
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  Speaker 5: probably still a question in her mind of is but
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  Speaker 5: is it, like is this really somebody I want to
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  Speaker 5: hang out with more, Like is he gonna get comfortable?
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  Speaker 5: And I think we saw it. We saw it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we saw it towards the end of the date.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if the whole Peter drama there is maybe
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  Speaker 5: a little overplayed, Like I don't. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 5: she is excited to have both of them.
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  Speaker 2: But like a more of a love triangle for TV
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  Speaker 2: than it really is. But then they end up making
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  Speaker 2: out and she was like pretty giddy about it.
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  Speaker 4: And my thought is like.
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  Speaker 2: If you come back from a date with somebody that
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  Speaker 2: you really like and made out with and you're like
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  Speaker 2: ready to make out with somebody else, I guess he
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  Speaker 2: really worn that sold.
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  Speaker 4: But she came back so giddy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting. It's gonna be a relationship that I
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  Speaker 5: think we're gonna be very fascinated to follow. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I've been very clear since the beginning. Mercedes and Olivia
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  Speaker 5: from Night from week one where like two people I
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  Speaker 5: thought we're gonna have big personalities on this show. We
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  Speaker 5: haven't seen as much of Mercedes, especially this episode, but
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  Speaker 5: we you know, we got to see her one on
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  Speaker 5: one last week. Olivia has continued to be the narrator
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  Speaker 5: for this season, and she's done a great.
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  Speaker 4: Job, Yes, really great at it. She is funny.
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  Speaker 2: Still scares me a little bit, but a lot less,
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  Speaker 2: especially since Kat is the one that scares me the most.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Kat, definitely I would much rather be. I would like
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  Speaker 5: to be on Cat's bad side.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Olivia is gonna like shame you with words
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  Speaker 2: and like in conversation and Kat's just gonna scream at you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And we really haven't seen I mean, we've seen
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  Speaker 5: Olivia be mean, you know, kind of in the itms, yes, snarky,
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  Speaker 5: but we haven't seen her exactly like lash out at
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  Speaker 5: anybody or belittle anybody on the beach. I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: think you could definitely pull those interviews and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: she was not being kind or she was definitely upset
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  Speaker 5: with somebody. But I don't think and again I'm a
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  Speaker 5: fan of own biased here, but I think Via doesn't
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  Speaker 5: want to hurt people. I think she felt like she
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  Speaker 5: had to kind of protect herself and defend herself at
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  Speaker 5: the beginning, in the midst of something that she thought
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  Speaker 5: was like really mean. And as we keep going through Paradise,
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  Speaker 5: it's happening every week now and so nobody. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's maybe not as mean as it felt before because
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  Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, everybody's stealing each other.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so true. It was just like the shock effect. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The next thing that happens is that John b arrives
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  Speaker 2: and again I'm a little confused. Well, I guess I
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  Speaker 2: get confused later, and I guess I'll jump ahead to it.
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  Speaker 2: He ends up picking Eliza for the date, and Eliza
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  Speaker 2: is obviously got something good going on with Aaron B.
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  Speaker 2: And I like the way that Aaron basically that I
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  Speaker 2: don't want you to go on the date because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I like it what people are really honest like that.
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  Speaker 2: But then she goes to the date and they make
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  Speaker 2: out and they have what seems to be a great time.
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  Speaker 2: But the confused the theme of the show comes back
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  Speaker 2: when she comes back and she goes.
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking about you all day long, and I'm so.
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  Speaker 2: Happy to be back here with you, And she's basically
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  Speaker 2: telling her and me that she's picking him.
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  Speaker 4: But you were just making out with someone's on the
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  Speaker 4: top of the stairs. Where are you at, girl?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And I think that's probably one of the things
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  Speaker 5: about Paradise that confuses me. The most is how exactly
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  Speaker 5: do you figure out who you're into and who you're not, Because,
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  Speaker 5: as you know, John Henry said, like everybody hears good looking,
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  Speaker 5: Like everybody here has the physical attraction to each other. Right,
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  Speaker 5: it's a beach full of good looking people. So then
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  Speaker 5: you get into kind of the personalities and the beliefs
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  Speaker 5: and the desires and the values of each person, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, then you really start to figure.
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  Speaker 3: Out like who you like and who you don't.
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  Speaker 5: But I still think that for me, it's hard to
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  Speaker 5: watch sometimes you're hard to understand because the physical attraction
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  Speaker 5: is so prevalent always that it just feels like you
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  Speaker 5: got to make out and then once like the dust
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  Speaker 5: settles and you get back to everybody, then you probably
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  Speaker 5: have some clarity on But I'm really actually into this
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  Speaker 5: guy because he, you know, cares about me more, or hey,
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  Speaker 5: he believes in this, or hey we've shared these conversations together.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, but I do just feel like that's
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  Speaker 5: the danger of paradise is everybody's so attractive to each
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  Speaker 5: other that you can make out with anybody anytime and
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna feel right, you know, as long as you're
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  Speaker 5: not you know, dating somebody else.
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  Speaker 4: I but she was dating someone else, I know, But.
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  Speaker 5: Like, are they really like that's the that's the part.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying to get to is everybody kept.
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  Speaker 4: Saying that they were like this most solid couple there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, maybe not anymore.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder ashually if there is a piece here, because
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  Speaker 5: we are starting to get into this every week where
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  Speaker 5: you and I are both coming to the table watching
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  Speaker 5: these separately, coming to the show and saying, hey, there's confusion.
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  Speaker 5: I'm wondering if this season of Paradise is maybe not
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  Speaker 5: storytelling as well as past seasons and closing up or
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  Speaker 5: continuing on with stories. So as a result, we are
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  Speaker 5: left confused, like we are left with a bunch of cliffhangers.
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  Speaker 5: We are left with the whole picture, where maybe in
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  Speaker 5: past seasons we felt like we had more of an
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  Speaker 5: ability to tell what each person's at because, quite honestly,
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  Speaker 5: if Eliza and Aaron b are the most solid couple,
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  Speaker 5: we haven't seen that much from them that points to
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  Speaker 5: them being that solid. No, so it doesn't feel weird
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  Speaker 5: that she would go on a date, but then everybody's
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  Speaker 5: shocked by it. Aaron Be's really saddened by it, and
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  Speaker 5: then she gets back and she's back with Aaron B.
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  Speaker 5: But we have no context for why that relationship feels
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  Speaker 5: so powerful because I don't think that we're getting the
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  Speaker 5: stories that maybe in past seasons that we were getting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we complained about storylines not closing last season too,
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  Speaker 2: and I do feel like there was like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff during this episode.
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  Speaker 4: That they could have clipped shorter and we could have.
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  Speaker 2: Given us more contexts in these relationships. Who knows what
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  Speaker 2: we're missing, But I do prefer Eliza with aar and B.
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  Speaker 4: They're just based on the little we've seen. I just
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  Speaker 4: feel a little bit more depth from them. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's very serious about this relationship. And then you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, just to add in there. Yeah, last thought, it's
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  Speaker 5: interesting with all the stuff that starts happening this week
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  Speaker 5: that Aaron B and Braiden really have. You know, everybody's
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: talking about the Sean Braden drama, like how they were
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  Speaker 5: like they've closed you know, that drama pushed it behind
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  Speaker 5: maybe until this week, but we haven't really seen any
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  Speaker 5: Aaron B. Braiden conversation or drama and that was such
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: a storyline during Charity season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no drama there, but we do see the
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  Speaker 2: drama between Braiden and Sean.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, but don't you think the Aaron B. Braiden drama, like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm so happy it's gone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was so it was kind of
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  Speaker 5: annoying actually during charity season where it felt like that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, especially to make Aaron B really didn't like
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  Speaker 5: him and he was trying to teckt himself from Maybe
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  Speaker 5: they're running in two separate groups in Paradise and so
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  Speaker 5: there's really no crossover and so there's no reason for drama.
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  Speaker 2: No. I think that he just likes him now, okay, good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's just gotten to know him better. And
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  Speaker 2: I think because it's not a direct competition between them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: bloody of girls to choose from them, and yeah, they're
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: not overlapping with girls.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: It's it's been good.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, let's talk about that drama between Sean and Brydon,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: because I think Sean really kind of deserved it. Yes,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I yeah, okay, I mean, so Sean is just being
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: a dumbass. Sean is really still hung up on Jess.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: There's no chance for him and Jess. But this is
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: all proving to me this whole episode was proved to
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: me that Jess and Blake and don't really have anything serious.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Maybe you know, they're like good to they.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Like each other for now, but I don't think they're
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: like unbreakable.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Sean was weird in this episode because I do think
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: he's right in the fact that he was seeing the
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: writing on the wall, that Rachel and Sean are not
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: progressing in a path that feels like it's gonna work out,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: and that she kind of has her eye on whoever
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: else comes.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Down to the bab they've made out like once in
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: seven days, Okay, and I can say it now, but remember,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and I think I don't know whether we cut it
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: out or not in the episode a couple weeks ago. Yeah,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: but I try, said Rachel, and Rachel said, I forgot
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: that I even kissed him.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: So like, you guys have nothing, and Sean.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Don't act as if you think that Rachel really likes
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: you when you guys have kissed once in seven days.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Well, and that might be that might be what he's feeling,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: but he's not communicating it well, Like it doesn't come
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: off well when he's talking about how much Rachel likes him. Also,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I don't quite understand where his mind was at. I
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: think he's kind of swirling here and his mind's in
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: chaos because he says that Jess kind of stabbed, stabbed
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: in the back. Yeah, And I'm like, why, like you Yeah,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: like I did you guys come to Paradise saying that
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: you're gonna date? And maybe you didn't, but that's not
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: even that bad. Like if she got to Paradise and
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: like somebody more, like that's how that works and whatever.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: But where at what point did she like hurt you
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: or like personally like make you feel less than because
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: you've had no relationship that we've seen. And she's been
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: very honest with that, and she was very nice about
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: explaining that, Hey, I just don't see it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Man, sorry, Like I'm good.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: That was a reactionary comment because he just felt so
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: wounded that he shot his shot and got rejected and
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: in the meanwhile loses his backup his rose which is
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: from a quote quote from Rachel. But who the heck
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: knows even with him not doing that, I don't even
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: know that their quote relationship would have lasted through the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: rose ceremony Sean and Rachel, because it's a mingling session,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and it's like.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean's a smart dude.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: He came on the podcast asked you know you and
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I both had a great time interviewing him because he
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: was very open.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: And he's dramatic.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's dramatic. I think.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: So I'm confused at what his strategy was here, like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: how did he see this playing out? How did he
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: see a path forward through this? What was the best
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: case scenario? Because okay, say Jess says, no, I'm so
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: into you, Sean.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Then he goes back to Rachel and has to any
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: think was hert I don't think she's at hurt. But
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: then he has Blake Uh sitting there being like, dude,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: what are you like?
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Cool, like what are you doing about this? And then
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: obviously with the Braiden drama, then he brings up Braiden
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: again and he opens up this can that has been closed,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: and I'm with Braiden again on this. I do wildly.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know how this has happened in my life, Ashley.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: I have no idea how this.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Happened that you that you like Braiden. Yeah, yeah, I'm.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Tem Braiden right now.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: It feels like from every angle, he's kind of getting
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: like shots taken at him, and he's just like, I
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: don't get it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Why would you do this? I thought we were good.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: It's just weird.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like him. He's honestly doesn't seem like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he's He was like so dramatic and conniving a little
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: bit on Charty season and like now he's just like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: what up, I'm grounded?
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Sean is her vibrating a little bit too?
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: And I get I get why?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do you feel about him going over
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to Rachel and saying like, hey, he's talking to Jess
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: because he does he thinks that you're really into him,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: but he's not really sure, just saying I would have
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: been so freaking pissed if I was Rachel like she was.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah, she's really into me, but I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: don't know about me, Like what she's really into me?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: She and again, she hasn't shown no signs that she's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: really into dude.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: That's like him building up his own ego.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: It's great, it's great.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Like what does he make a comment about if somebody
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: wants to come down that down those stairs and data
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Kendall like he's living in this world way too much,
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Like he's believing this whatever people are telling him too much,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: and as a result, it's backfiring on him. The Braiden
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: thing I would have gone without. However, I don't think
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: it was untrue, and I and I guess we have
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: to gauge in Paradise, in this messiness on what is
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: true and what's not true. And what Braiden said was
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: not untrue, and so I can see where Sean would
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: be upset about it, because there's a bro code, an
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: unspoken bro code. But I also think that Braiden at
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: this point was saying he wants to go talk to Jess.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I see the door open, I'm walking through it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So technically he could have not brought up Jess or
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Sean at all and just kind of like hit on Rachel, and.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think she would have been fine with it. Yeah
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: sounds good.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't have to like break their relationship in
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: any way.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Do you see this relationship continuing, Ashley, I don't. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: don't see Rachel and Braden splitting apart on the beach.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: They're super hot together. I love it their chemistry. The kiss,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: And they both have that kind of similar personality. They'd
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: match each other. I see it, and so I do
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: think if I had to put my vote behind, I
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: would say that would be, in my opinion, one couple
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I would say, will definitely make it to the end
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: of the beach. I don't know if they're getting engaged,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: but they'll make it to the end of the beach.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they're gonna make it to the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: end of the beach, but they're gonna have a good
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: time together.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they're painting each other's butts in a preview.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So I mean, let them leave together, I'd be down.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I'd be down. Let's do it. I like them both
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: separately individually, it would.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Kind of be you know, something interesting, Ashley I thought of. Yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: it would be a very similar storyline to the Thomas
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Beca situation. Oh yeah, A league comes to the beach,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: dates the villain from his past season, that villain becomes
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: very beloved by the audience, and the two of them
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: walk off the beach together.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Then bravo for just coming up with that comparison, because
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it's right on. Oh amazing, Okay, I love that. Okay,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: next big thing to discuss is the truth box, which
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Wells introduces. Says basically, it's whenever that post secret that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: we used to have in two thousand and eight or
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: whatever that was. Instead of online posting your truths, you
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: put your troops into the box and then at some
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: point Wells is supposed to read them. Well during the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Row ceremony cocktail hour, Aaron S does the weirdest thing
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: when Wells gathers the crowd he's gonna read it, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: he's like, you know, Wells, the ones you're reading are
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: really tame. This is like, honestly, like, let's just say it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: This is a production move. There's no way this guy
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: came up with this idea in his head.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: To be like, you know what, I'm gonna steal the
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: box and break it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Sure, okay we can say that. Ashley. You're probably right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: But here's the deal.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: And it's a great example of what we talk about
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: episode over episode. He could have said no to doing it,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: like this is not a forced production mood. This is
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: somebody from production being like, Aaron, I can see your upset.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, how crazy is that that Wells is
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: doing this? Like you have one night to try to
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: meet somebody and get a rose so you can stay
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: around next week. And you're wasting your time by reading
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: these simple little like secrets from people, like how angry.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Are you getting? And he's like, yeah, I'm getting angry.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is getting more annoying, this is getting more
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: another and then they say you should just step in
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: and start reading him yourself, and he's like okay, and
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: he does it, like he could have said no, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: then none of this becomes a thing he likes.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: He probably wanted airtime too. He knew he was leaving.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gonna leave it in a wrecking ball.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: But it's how production works, and so it's this is
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: a good example of how production works where it's not
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: forced upon you. It is a recommendation. They start putting
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: seeds inside you, know, of doubt inside your head, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: then you make the decision to act on whatever it
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: is they're saying. And most of the time, if you
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: are not seeing it clearly, it's gonna look really bad.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: There was a moment last year when Jared and I
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: were just guests in Paradise that we were around the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: same bar and somebody came down the stairs and they
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: were like, Ashley, are you curious about this? And I
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: was like, yep, no, no, no, I am not my place.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. Wells ended up saying it, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, well that's Wells. He's like a host.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Of course he's he can say that, you know, so, yes,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: this is one of those quick suggestion possible moments and
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you can just quickly be like, uh uh, I ignore.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Are you not doing it? I know, and I do
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: want to say this. I haven't texted him yet.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I was going to, but you know, Wells is one
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: of my best friends in the world.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I've gotten to know him very well, and I've gotten
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: to see a lot of different sides of Wells. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: for ninety nine percent of the time, Wells's Wells.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: He's a blast. But he does have.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Uh he does have a fuse and that and if you,
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: and especially if you mess with a project that he's
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: working on, that fuse gets shorter.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: He's very professional. He wants to do a good job
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: and he wants to make sure things go and.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Make good TV. He's good at it too.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Great, when Aaron S did.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: This, oh well that was a real Wells anger.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I know, I loved it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I've seen it, especially when he pushed a box at
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Aaron Aaron and said, how about you read it since
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: you broke it. I was like, Wells is fuming inside
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: and he wants to blow up. There was no faking it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: He had no clue that was coming. Wells was so mad.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: So that and he's so he was so grossed out
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: by him.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: He was like yeah, Wells and and and again. Knowing Wells,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Wells could have absolutely word smashed that dude, like you
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: don't want to get in an argument when it comes
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: with what to Wells like back and forth. Yeah, Wells
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: could have made that dude feel about one cinnamon you're tall,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: and like cry his way off the beach.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: But he didn't.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: And that's why I think we just see Will sit
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: back and stay quiet because he's like, it's not my
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: He's good. Again, He's so good at what he does
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: that he's like, not my place, this is not my
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: this is not my battle to fight.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: This is his battle to fight.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to stay quiet because if well started speaking,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: it would have gotten really really hilarious because he's good.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: We missed out on that, but we still got the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: reaction and it was not as fine.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Just that clip of him standing there being like you
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: read it. I was like, oh goodness, he is about
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: the pop.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the notes they read Cat played Brandon Okay,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of a statement we kind of know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you know, Tanner should watch out for Cat. It sounds
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: like the same person wrote those two notes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Who do you think it was.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Braiden?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I think I think Braiden was all about
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the truth thoughts. I think he's.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Also he's already said it to her face pretty much.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there's any secret that was Braiden. No,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: I think he stood at the bar. I wrote a
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: couple of truths. And then you know, even Rachel asked
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Braiden like did you write that? And I think he's like, yeah,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I wrote that like you and I should make out.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Third note, I don't think Kat is actually looking out
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: for Jess like she thinks. And I actually interpreted this
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the different way.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I guess I wasn't listening very well.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I thought it said I don't think Jess is looking
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: out for Kat the like is looking out for Cat,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: or that there's like actually some un lying tension there,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: in which case I was like, yeah, probably because Jess
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was interested in Tanner and there was no conversation when
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: she went out with Tanner.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: And they're good friends, right. The reason that matters is
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: because off the show they are good friends.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but what would this mean.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think Kat is actually looking out for Jess
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the way she thinks, because I don't think Kat.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Doesn't want to be with Blake.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: I wonder if this is just kind of summarizing that
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: she's not a good friend. Yeah, Like Cass at this
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: point has had a lot of ideas about what she's
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: doing right and wrong, and I think most people on
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: the Beach we've seen have disagreed with her on what
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: she thinks she's doing right. Yeah, And I think the
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Beach is just saying Kat keeps talking about how she's,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe a good friend of Jess or all
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: these things, and maybe we're not not even seeing it,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: but she's saying, like, you know, Jess is such a
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: is a good friend of mine and I'm just trying
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: to protect her and all the I don't know, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: the Beach is like, no, come on, you're not doing
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: any of that, Like you're not at actually making the
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: right decisions right now or you haven't in the past.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: But I don't think we have a lot of context
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: for it, So I do think it's a confusing you
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: know note if.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: We don't, But I do think bottom line is it's this.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: This is saying Kat's about herself, like she's going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: want to be with him.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Fourth note, Braiden and Rachel should make out. Well, we
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: know that Branden wrote this too, and.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Acute I like it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And that's when Brandon pulls Rachel and the cute kiss happens.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's what the whole thing starts.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: So maybe Braiden really did write all these notes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and if he did, good for him, Good for him.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: And also here's the funny part. Ash you know, Aaron
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: S's little tantrum didn't lead to anything positive for him.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: In fact, it was a weird look.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: People were kind of confused, and I think he thought
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: that if we got to some truth within this box,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: then maybe he would get some attention.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe he'd is one.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but really none of these things that
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: he read were even anywhere close to relating to him,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: and so he just kind of read them and just
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: made himself kind of look like a jerk. Yeah, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: that was it, and he just made Wells mad. So
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: have fun getting good you know, if you do stick around,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: have fun getting any good cocktails from here and OWT.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And based on the scene to the next episode, I
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: did some deducting, and it definitely looks like he's eliminated,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and it looks like Sean's eliminated because there was one
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of the guys that was on the chopping block that
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: ended up making it through, and it probably made it
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: through by the new girl who's coming down the stairs.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So we get this little scene of Aaron and Sean
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: praying for a new girl and then all of a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: sudden their wish has come true. We got legs walking
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: down to the beach, but we don't know who it is.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: So uh okay, to close up this episode, the nash
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: who are the guys on the chopping block as this
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: episode ends?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Aaron, I suppose Peter Peter that makes sense? Yeah, okay, yeah, John,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Then I guess John.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Henry, you're right, and.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Then Sean John John B and then Sean Sean.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I didn't say that, okay, Yeah, And and probably Aaron
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: b So if we throw in yeah, well I.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't think so, I wouldn't think so.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but yeah, so they'ren't chopping block.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: One new person is coming down to the beach, kind
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: of live left on a cliffhanger. We don't know who's
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: gonna be around next week, but there are twelve guys
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: and seven women, so as we note right now, yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: there's gonna be five guys going home, but we think
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: probably only four.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's a ton. But we also forgot to talk
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: about Cat blowing up. Yeah, okay, so Kat blows up
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and now I'm not even remembering why because it was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: so tense and I know that it was a huge overreaction.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It's oh, it has to do with the whole Tanner thing,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: because because of the things in the Secret Box, she
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: basically talks to Tanner and she's trying to defense herself.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And then Tanner was like, well, you know, Braiden did
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: tell me about what happened. You know, Braiden didn't feel
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: blindsided and felt like you did a one to eighty
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: on him. And then Kat is like, that's his opinion,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: but it's totally false. And then Tanner says that he
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and Kat are probably similar in a current, similar situation
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: than she was with Braiden before he walked down. So
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think he's just saying like, okay, like I shouldn't
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: feel secure, even if I do kind of feel secure,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And now.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: She faks out.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: If this guy heard her reaction, there's no way that
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: he'd want to be with her anymore. And people were
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: hearing her reaction, I think that they did dub it
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: over a little bit, so it sounded clear to everybody
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: down the beach than it actually was. They probably just
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: heard her like the sounds of screaming, yelling, not like
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the actual words.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: But this girl is off for Rocker.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think she's panicking out a bit one.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Second, and she should be panicking because she's the one
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: with the rose right now. Just just show Tanner that
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it's not the truth of the matter.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean I think she's panicking out a
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: bit because I think she feels misunderstood. And I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: at this point she's starting to be confused at why
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: everybody else is misunderstanding her intentions, you know, and why
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: and what she's done that's so wrong, and so it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: hard probably to process for her right now, why everybody
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: seems against her and they do seem against her, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: I get that maybe that's causing some conflict inside of
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: her self. And then she's trying to protect herself, defend
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: herself by you know, reacting the way she is.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: All right, Well that is the episode of Paradise, episode four.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Next week we see that it's Kat's birthday and they
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: must ruin someone on every Paradise birthday every year. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: thinks everybody must go out, everybody's significant other must go
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: out with somebody else on their birthdays.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Here's my closing comment. They don't have to, and yet
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: it feels like every season they do.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: It's manipulated.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: It's in the way that they're like, ah, Cat's birthday,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: let's make sure that's the day that so and so
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: comes down.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: So and so comes down. Well, we're looking forward to
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: the next episode of Paradise. We're going to continue to
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: break it down, We're going to continue to kind of
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: shure up some of these storylines. We're getting to the
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: point in the season where the couples are going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: get stronger and we're gonna start really recognizing the people
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: that are in relationship. I think as of right now,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: it feels like a lot of chaos and a lot
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: of stealing and taking, and I do think we're going
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: to get some building upon some of the relationships we've
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: already seen.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I'm excited for that. But until next week, I've been.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Ben, I've been Ashley. See you guys.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for our Golden Bachelor episode and our Headlines
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: episode this week as well.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 36:19
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