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The Kenny Report | 10 March · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: The five brave Iranian soccer players who now call Australia
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Speaker 1: home as their teammates are about to be flown out
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Speaker 1: of the country. We ask whether Donald Trump helped their cause.
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Speaker 1: The Albanezy government makes a deployment to the war in Iran,
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Speaker 1: but makes a pathetic promise that it's there to defend,
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Speaker 1: not to fight. And National's leader David Little Proud makes
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Speaker 1: us surprise and Tiry exit from the top job.
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Speaker 3: It's been a pretty rough road since the election, but
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Speaker 3: I get to go home to her, my wife, Amelia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he split the coalition twice and now he's splitting
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Speaker 1: so much to talk about. Kristen Tate in the US,
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Speaker 1: Tim Blair in the Bush and Stephen Senna Tempo and
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Speaker 1: Susi O'Brien on the panel.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracked.
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Speaker 1: The case of the Iranian women's soccer team, the brave
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Speaker 1: women who have claimed asylum in Australia is so important
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Speaker 1: on so many levels because it shows us what matters
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Speaker 1: in life, in government and in global affairs. The official
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Speaker 1: remaining Iranian team and officials left their Gold Coast hotel
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Speaker 1: for the airport. This afternoon, international soccer players, coaches, interpreters
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Speaker 1: and other officials are driven past protesters to the airport
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Speaker 1: to leave the country and head into an uncertain future.
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Speaker 1: Who knows how or when they can get back into Iran.
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Speaker 1: Who knows what would happen to them on their return.
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Speaker 1: Who knows how many more of them would like to
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Speaker 1: claim asylum here but couldn't, blocked by their own officials,
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Speaker 1: or too fearful about what would happen to their family
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Speaker 1: and friends back home. This is the deadly theocratic evil
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Speaker 1: of the Iranian regime playing out in our own country.
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Speaker 1: In the here and now, lives on the line, fateful decisions, torment,
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Speaker 1: and treachery. Look at the bravery of these soccer players
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Speaker 1: last week. Look at these women playing in their veils,
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Speaker 1: the veils forced on all Iranian women under law and
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Speaker 1: under fear of imprisonment and death. Look at them refusing
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Speaker 1: to sing the national anthem of the country that oppresses them.
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Speaker 1: They were soon dubbed wartime traitors in Iran, and their
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Speaker 1: world closed in around them. By late afternoon yesterday, just
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Speaker 1: when we were on air discussing their plight, five of
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Speaker 1: these women led by the Captain Zara Ganbari, were running
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Speaker 1: for their lives. They were chased down hotel corridors by
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Speaker 1: Iranian officials and they were helped by Australian Iranian supporters
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Speaker 1: and they ran into the arms of Federal and Queensland police.
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Speaker 1: By late last night they were meeting directly with Home
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Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Tony Burke. Note the lack of vales the
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Speaker 1: first obvious signs of freedom at a great time of peril.
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Speaker 1: By now this was a global story, and in the
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Speaker 1: early hours of the morning our time, US President Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump was on social media accusing Australia of making a
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Speaker 1: terrible humanitarian mistake by allowing the women's team to be
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Speaker 1: forced to Iran. They most likely be killed. Don't do it,
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Speaker 1: mister Prime Minister, give asylum, Trump pleaded publicly globally. He
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Speaker 1: said the US would take them if Australia didn't. Now,
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Speaker 1: the timing here is crucial, but it seems that around
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Speaker 1: it the same time the formal granting of asylum was
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Speaker 1: actually happening in Brisbane. At two o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: Trump was on the blower to Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 4: He was concerned about the Iranian women in the soccer
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Speaker 4: team and their welfare and their safety if they returned home.
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Speaker 4: He conveyed that to me, I was able to convey
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Speaker 4: to him the action that we'd undertaken over the previous
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Speaker 4: forty eight hours, and that five of the team had
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Speaker 4: asked for assistance and had received it and were safely located.
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Speaker 1: Who knows whether the Trump intercession made any difference, but
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Speaker 1: soon after the phone call, the President was back on
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Speaker 1: social media. He revealed the phone call with Albanisi and
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Speaker 1: said he's on it, relaying that five women were being
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Speaker 1: taken care of and that others might feel they must
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Speaker 1: go back because of worries about the safety of their
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Speaker 1: families who were facing threats. The Prime Minister was doing
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Speaker 1: a good job, said Trump. God bless Australia. How about that,
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Speaker 1: the Trump endorsement for Albanisi.
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Speaker 2: He'll be loving that.
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Speaker 1: But let's be clear here, these five brave women have
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Speaker 1: chosen freedom. Sure, and that's a great prize, but there's
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Speaker 1: a huge personal cost too, their sporting careers, most likely,
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Speaker 1: their family ties, their lives as they've known them.
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Speaker 5: Once everything had been signed off last night, there were
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Speaker 5: lots of photos, lots of celebrating that are spontaneous cry
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Speaker 5: of ossy ossy, ossie Oi oi oi from the newest
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Speaker 5: Australian residents. These women are great athletes, great people, and
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Speaker 5: I say to them, on behalf of the government, on
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Speaker 5: behalf of the Parliament, and I suspect on behalf of
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Speaker 5: the whole nation, to them, welcome home.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: The other team members leaving Australia was that their choice
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Speaker 1: were their hands forced either directly or indirectly because of
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Speaker 1: fears for others at home. What sort of a regime
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Speaker 1: is this Iranian theocratic dictatorship who treats its women, its
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Speaker 1: national representatives like this. The Coalition supports the government action.
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Speaker 6: These women are standing up against the regime I just
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Speaker 6: described with great courage, with enormous courage, and I think
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Speaker 6: that's captured the imagination of the Australian people. Every reasonable
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Speaker 6: Australian would want a good outcome for their safety and
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Speaker 6: for their future.
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Speaker 1: But other politicians have shown their hypocrisy. Listen to former
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Speaker 1: Labor Senator now independent Fatima Payman, her SOFA refugee from Afghanistan.
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Speaker 2: Listen to her praise Iran just a year.
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Speaker 7: Ago, incredible place that Iran is allowing for women to
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Speaker 7: participate in the workforce, to ensure that they have a
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Speaker 7: voice and their voices are heard, they're involved in the
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Speaker 7: democratic process. Realities that we're not privy to living here
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Speaker 7: and listening to the propaganda that we receive from very
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Speaker 7: single sided organizations with a specific agenda.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Iran's treatment of women just gets bad press and
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Speaker 1: propaganda apparently. But today payment took to social media welcoming
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Speaker 1: the granting of humanitarian visas and praising the Iranian the
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Speaker 1: Iranian soccer players for showing immense courage. Make up your mind, senator,
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Speaker 1: and just admit that you were wrong. Have the courage
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Speaker 1: to proclaim that theocratic Islamist regimes are wrong, simply wrong.
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Speaker 1: They are anathema to our values of freedom and democracy,
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Speaker 1: and they are especially odious for women. As I said
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Speaker 1: last night, this was the only proper response from Australia.
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Speaker 1: I only hope the government and authorities have made sure
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Speaker 1: that all the other members of this Iranian group were
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Speaker 1: given the opportunity to express their wishes individually without anybody
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Speaker 1: standing over them. Today's other big Iran war news, as
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Speaker 1: far as Australia is concerned, is that the Alban easy
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Speaker 1: government has made a military commitment.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 1: This is something we foreshadowed here on the program last night,
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Speaker 1: talk of a request from the Golf States. It was
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Speaker 1: a no brainer for this government, given how the Golf
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Speaker 1: States have hosted our military for decades. But typically the
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Speaker 1: Albanesi labor government have been slow, weak and half hearted
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Speaker 1: about this.
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Speaker 4: This growing wave of dangerous and destabilizing attack from Iran
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Speaker 4: put civilian lives at risk, of course, including Australian lives,
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Speaker 4: of which there are more than twenty thousand people based
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Speaker 4: in the UAE. In responding to requests following a conversation
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Speaker 4: that I had with the President Mohammed bin Zayad and
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Speaker 4: other requests, Australia will deploy an E seven a wedge
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Speaker 4: tail to the Gulf to help protect and defend Australians
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Speaker 4: and other civilians.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one wedge tile surveillance aircraft. That's not a minor deployment.
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Speaker 1: It'll involved eighty five defense personnel for at least a month.
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Speaker 1: And Australia is also supplying the UAE with air to
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Speaker 1: air missiles for them to use. But given what's at
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Speaker 1: stake in this war, we should be doing more. We
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Speaker 1: should be prepared to help fight evil, not restrict ourselves
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Speaker 1: to defending against it. This is, after all, a fight
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Speaker 1: for democracy against tyranny, a fight for stability in the Middle.
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Speaker 2: East against terrorism.
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Speaker 1: It's a fight for the right of Israel to exist
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Speaker 1: without constant attacks from Iran and its proxies. It's a
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Speaker 1: fight for the right of the Iranian people not to
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Speaker 1: be slaughtered by their own government. It's a fight for
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Speaker 1: world order and for civilization against the terrorist Islamist theocratic regime.
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Speaker 1: Yet Anthony Albanezi is so apologetic, more interested in telling
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Speaker 1: us what he won't do, rather than anything he wants
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Speaker 1: to achieve.
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Speaker 4: There are around one hundred and fifteen thousand Australians in
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Speaker 4: the Middle East, around twenty four thousand of those in
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Speaker 4: the UAE helping Australians men also helping the UAE and
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Speaker 4: other Gulf nations to defend themselves against what are unprovoked attacks.
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Speaker 4: My government has been clear that we're not taking offensive
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Speaker 4: action against Iran.
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Speaker 1: Albo is just so desperate to tell the world he
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Speaker 1: will not do anything to attack Iran, the same Iran
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Speaker 1: that has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people.
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Speaker 2: In the Middle East over the past few decades.
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Speaker 1: That has constantly terrorized and bombarded Israel through its proxies
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Speaker 1: and attacked it directly, targeting civilians in the main that
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Speaker 1: has attacked American interests, and that has even brought terror
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Speaker 1: to Australia with fire bomb attacks against a Jewish business
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Speaker 1: in Sia and the Adas Synagogue in Melbourne. I mean,
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Speaker 1: why is Albanezi so keen not to cross swords with Iran?
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Speaker 2: It is pathetic.
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Speaker 1: The Opposition leader supported Labour's deployment, but Angus Taylor was
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Speaker 1: much stronger in outlining what's at stake.
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Speaker 6: We need to stand by our allies and work closely
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Speaker 6: with countries who we've stood children's shoulder with for a
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Speaker 6: long long time to make sure we hold that regime
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Speaker 6: to account and most importantly, we protect the free world
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Speaker 6: against what it has been prepared to do. It is
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Speaker 6: a regime that we can not ever support in any way,
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Speaker 6: shape or form, frankly right now. And we want to
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Speaker 6: see the Iranian people take control of their country again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Australia should be doing. But we have
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Speaker 1: a weak and waftly prime minister determined to limit his
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Speaker 1: actions to defend a few thousand distrys waiting for delayed
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Speaker 1: flights out.
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Speaker 2: Of the area just week.
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Speaker 1: This is a man on the wrong side of history.
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Speaker 1: This is a small man. This is a man who,
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Speaker 1: instead of doing the right thing by his country and
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Speaker 1: the Western Alliance, wants to plicate Green politicians and the
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Speaker 1: Green Left vote.
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Speaker 8: If the Australian people had to say, they would say
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Speaker 8: no to Donald Trump's war, they would say no to
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Speaker 8: another US forever war, and they would be and their
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Speaker 8: right to be deeply fearful about how far Labour wants
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Speaker 8: to drag us into Albany, into Nada Jahu and Trump's
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Speaker 8: illegal war in Iran.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's who Albanesi is trying to please, the anti US,
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Speaker 1: anti Israel, anti West mob. If you can't see what's
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Speaker 1: happening here and you don't know whose side you're on,
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Speaker 1: then you are not capable of leading a nation in
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Speaker 1: such tumultuous times. Ironically, Albanesi has praised the bravery of
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Speaker 1: the Iranian women's soccer defectors, but he can't muster at
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Speaker 1: any courage himself against Iran. Now, let's go to this
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Speaker 1: surprise news that broke late this afternoon, only about an
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Speaker 1: hour ago, when the Nationals leader David Little Proud says
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Speaker 1: he's resigning. He has resigned as Leader of the Nationals.
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Speaker 1: He'll stay in Parliament, but he won't be leader anymore.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Nationals front bencher and Webster, who joins
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Speaker 1: us from Parliament House in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: And you must have been taken by surprise with this announcement.
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Speaker 9: I absolutely was. I was literally about to stand up
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Speaker 9: with a speech in my hand to speak in the
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Speaker 9: House and I got the text from David with his
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Speaker 9: media release, so I had to put that aside and
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Speaker 9: speak in the house. That's the way it rolls here.
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Speaker 9: But look, David has left a tremendous legacy as our
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Speaker 9: leader and I think he should be honored for that.
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Speaker 9: I do know it's some commentators who have to take
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Speaker 9: him down a peg or two.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me just jump in there.
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Speaker 1: And because this is a bloke who in the past
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Speaker 1: year has split the coalition twice and now he's split.
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Speaker 2: How is that a great legacy?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the legacy is that Barnaby Joyce walked
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Speaker 9: us into net zero. David Little Proud walked us out
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Speaker 9: of net zero. I can assure you, Chris that that
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Speaker 9: is a very positive thing across regional Australia. And that's
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Speaker 9: not the only legacy he has. He led us through
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Speaker 9: the Voice, which was pretty challenging, you've got to admit.
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Speaker 9: And he's also established a coalition agreement with incredibly important
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Speaker 9: things such as the Regional Australia Future Fund, which is
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Speaker 9: a billion dollars a year in infrastructure for our regions
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Speaker 9: who are currently bone dry in terms of infrastructure spend.
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Speaker 1: Well's if David little Proud was going so well as
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Speaker 1: National's leader, one would wonder why on earth is quit.
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Speaker 1: So let's have a listen to how he explained it.
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Speaker 2: I'm bugged.
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Speaker 3: I'm buggered I have enough to lead this great party.
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Speaker 3: Would be the wrong thing for me to do. I
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Speaker 3: love the National Party.
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Speaker 2: I grew up in it. I'll believe till the day
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Speaker 2: I die Green and Gold.
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Speaker 3: I love it, and it'd be wrong for me to
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Speaker 3: say that I'm the right person to continue to lead.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a pretty Australian way to express that you're
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Speaker 1: a bit tired.
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Speaker 2: He's buggered, so he's quitting.
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Speaker 1: But don't we pay politicians to work hard and soldier on?
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Speaker 2: Look?
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Speaker 9: I think it actually shows incredible maturity. Let me stick
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Speaker 9: up for him one more time, being a loyal National
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Speaker 9: Party colleague of his. The fact is people need to
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Speaker 9: recognize when they're burnt out and if the job. And
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Speaker 9: it's been a really challenging twelve months, as you have
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Speaker 9: commentated on yourself, as every Sky commentator has for the
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Speaker 9: last twelve months, it has been incredibly challenging. But I
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Speaker 9: think what we need to focus on now is regrouping
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Speaker 9: once we get over the shock.
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Speaker 1: You got to focus on will be Will it be
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Speaker 1: the return of Michael McCormick.
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Speaker 9: We don't know, of course, the new leader will be
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Speaker 9: a discussion that we have moving forward.
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Speaker 2: That will happen.
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm not going to tell you that, Chris, but
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Speaker 9: I can assure you that I'm certainly thinking about what
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Speaker 9: will be the most stable leadership taking our party forward.
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Speaker 9: We have a big fight on our hands. People in
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Speaker 9: regional Australia can't get fuel for their tractors right now
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Speaker 9: and we're in a cost of living crisis and it's
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Speaker 9: no small matter. So we can't spend too much time
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Speaker 9: trying to deal with this and sort of out.
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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of leadership talk on the coalition,
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Speaker 1: so in the last twelve months and we'll have a
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Speaker 1: little bit more I suppose in the days and weeks
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Speaker 1: to come, as you choose and use leader. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining us on at short notice. I appreciate it. And
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Speaker 1: Webster there from the National Party. I want to get
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Speaker 1: a Liberal Party perspective now, and we'll stay in Canberra
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Speaker 1: and go to Dave Sharma, Senator. Dave Sharma, who's a
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Speaker 1: new South Wales Senator and also the Shadow Assistant Minister
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Speaker 1: for International Development.
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again.
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Speaker 1: Dave, who's going to be the new leader of the NATS,
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Speaker 1: sprung a new one on you today.
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Speaker 10: Did I was surprised, Chris, Look, I don't know. I've
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Speaker 10: said a number of people put their names forward and
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Speaker 10: obviously I don't have a say in that, nor should I.
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Speaker 2: That's for the National.
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Speaker 10: Party members within the Parliament to vote on into caucus
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Speaker 10: and whoever their leader is, whoever they choose, I'm sure
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Speaker 10: they will be committed to a strong coalition and we'll
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Speaker 10: work closely with our leader and the rest of the
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Speaker 10: Liverpool team to make sure we provide a strong alternative
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Speaker 10: to this bad government.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of your leader, let's have a look at
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Speaker 1: what Angus Taylor had to say about this late today.
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Speaker 6: I have found David to be a committed coalitionist as well,
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Speaker 6: and this is incredibly important because we've had a difficult
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Speaker 6: time in the coalition.
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Speaker 1: That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it a committed
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Speaker 1: coalition as he split it twice.
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Speaker 10: Look, I think we've had a difficult time as a coalitioners,
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Speaker 10: as Angus said, and you know I noticed Dated Little
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Speaker 10: Proud address some of that during his press conference today.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's important here that.
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Speaker 10: We let those bygones be bygones and we just make
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Speaker 10: sure that the coalition stays together and works together from
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Speaker 10: here on in.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to issues I wanted to
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Speaker 1: discuss with you before all this unfolded, and that is
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Speaker 1: primarily the fate.
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Speaker 2: Of the Iranian women.
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Speaker 1: Five brave women have defected, the sort of stylum in Australia.
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Speaker 2: It's been granted to them.
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Speaker 1: What assurances do you have with briefings from the government
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Speaker 1: or otherwise that the others in that group, that Iranian
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Speaker 1: delegation actually individually got to make their preferences known. I'd
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Speaker 1: hate to think that any of them have been forced
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Speaker 1: out of the country. Without having the opportunity to apply
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Speaker 1: for asylum.
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Speaker 10: So would I Christ and I think it's very important
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Speaker 10: that that anyone who wishes to make a protection claim
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Speaker 10: and asylum claim from the Ranian women's soccer team has
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Speaker 10: the opportunity to do so. Now I haven't been privy
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Speaker 10: to any government briefings, it doesn't mean other members of
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Speaker 10: the opposition haven't been offered them. I do welcome the
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Speaker 10: fact that the government did process and grant these asylum
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Speaker 10: claims quickly because I think that sends a signal to
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Speaker 10: the other members of the soccer team that there is
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Speaker 10: a sanctuary here in Australia that they will be welcomed. Obviously,
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Speaker 10: you know, they have to weigh up difficult decisions, some
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Speaker 10: of them about the safety and welfare of their family
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Speaker 10: at home, and I can understand that that's an important consideration.
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Speaker 10: But I do think it's important that they be given
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Speaker 10: that opportunity and that their mind is Their political commissars
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Speaker 10: that are trying to shield them from what's going on
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Speaker 10: in Australia cannot be allowed to block out the opportunity
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Speaker 10: that exists here for them.
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Speaker 1: I've got to get your thoughts too on Anthony Albernizi's
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Speaker 1: deployment to the Middle You're a former diplomat, you're a
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Speaker 1: Australian ambassador to Israel.
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Speaker 2: We can understand his timidity, I suppose.
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Speaker 1: But he's at pains to express that he is only
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Speaker 1: there to defend Australians in the UE and therefore.
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Speaker 2: The citizens of the UAE as well, that he's.
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Speaker 1: Not taking any offensive action against Iran. Why so squeamish,
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Speaker 1: As Angus Taylor himself said, this is an odious regime.
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Speaker 1: This is a fight that the US, Israel and their
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Speaker 1: allies need to win. Why should Australia be so squeamish
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Speaker 1: about identifying with that cause?
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Speaker 10: Well, we have a clean national interest, Chris, in not
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Speaker 10: only helping our allies defend themselves from Iranian aggression, the
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Speaker 10: UA and others, but also we have a clean national
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Speaker 10: interest in seeing an Iranian regime that is either no
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Speaker 10: longer governing the country or has been substantially degraded. I mean,
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Speaker 10: this is a country that has exported war, exported terrorism,
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Speaker 10: including to Australia, that pursues you know, nuclear weapons, nuclear enrichment,
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Speaker 10: ballistic missiles. It has been one of the biggest forces
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Speaker 10: for instability, not only in the Middle East, but in
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Speaker 10: the world over the last four or five decades. And
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Speaker 10: saying that we hope the US operation succeeds should not
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Speaker 10: be a controversial thing to say in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yes, spot on. Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Liberal Senator and Front bencher Dave Sharma joining us there.
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Speaker 1: I want to go onto the issue of fuel security,
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Speaker 1: which of course stems directly from the strife in the
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Speaker 1: Middle East, and how to listen to the Climate and
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Speaker 1: Energy Minister Chris Bowen in Parliament today.
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Speaker 11: Fundamentally Australia's fuel security is strong. That is the point
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Speaker 11: where I'm making. That is why there is no need
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Speaker 11: for people to panic buy it, or to order one
22:44
Speaker 11: hundred or two hundred percent of what they normally order.
22:48
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Daily telegraphs Tim Blair in the
22:50
Speaker 1: Western Victoria.
22:51
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Tim. Whenever I hear a
22:53
Speaker 2: government minister say.
22:54
Speaker 1: Don't panic by, I tend to think it has the
22:56
Speaker 1: opposite effect.
22:59
Speaker 12: Especially the way our Environment minister does it. He's got
23:02
Speaker 12: the he was in total panic mode there. He looked terrible,
23:06
Speaker 12: very anxious fellow, and you would be in his circumstance
23:09
Speaker 12: because suddenly, and this happens every so often, the primacy,
23:13
Speaker 12: the importance, the crucial nature of fossil fuels is made
23:18
Speaker 12: dramatically apparent, and our bet that electricity was going to
23:22
Speaker 12: be the go as a baseline source. He's looking pretty busted.
23:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, he drives a tesla from time to time, time
23:29
Speaker 1: to time.
23:30
Speaker 2: But this is the point.
23:31
Speaker 1: Is such a threat to our whole way of life
23:34
Speaker 1: and our whole economy. Now, fuel security is obviously a
23:38
Speaker 1: problem here. It's happened under coalition and labor governments. We've
23:42
Speaker 1: allowed so many refineries to close down as well as
23:46
Speaker 1: limited the amount of oil and gas.
23:48
Speaker 2: We extract here.
23:50
Speaker 1: So we are completely exposed now to this sort of
23:54
Speaker 1: global interruption.
23:56
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and it's massively frustrating because you look at Australia's
24:01
Speaker 12: natural resources. We should be immune from so many global pressures.
24:05
Speaker 12: We have uranium oil, we have gas, we have coal.
24:08
Speaker 12: We should be able to run flat out, NonStop no
24:11
Speaker 12: matter what is happening in Europe, Asia, Africa, wherever, the
24:15
Speaker 12: Middle East. It shouldn't be that much of an impact
24:18
Speaker 12: upon us. Instead, we have discarded you know, we used
24:21
Speaker 12: to call the tyranny of distance. We have the blessing
24:24
Speaker 12: of distance and the blessing of these manifold natural resources.
24:28
Speaker 12: We have discarded that blessing to be hooked into something
24:31
Speaker 12: which is fragile, which is vulnerable to overseas impacts. And
24:36
Speaker 12: we saw enough during COVID of how overseas trends and
24:40
Speaker 12: forces and markets can screw with us. Now we're going
24:44
Speaker 12: to see it again. And it always comes back to
24:46
Speaker 12: our denial of our own good luck. We had all
24:49
Speaker 12: the stuff in the first place, we've turned against it.
24:51
Speaker 1: Look, I can't talk about this often enough, Tim, because
24:54
Speaker 1: it's just so true.
24:55
Speaker 2: We are one of the.
24:56
Speaker 1: World's largest exporters of coal, we are one of the
24:59
Speaker 1: world's large just exporters of liquefied gas, We're one of
25:03
Speaker 1: the world's largest exporters of uranium. We have plentiful per
25:08
Speaker 1: petroleum as well. Yet we've turned ourselves into an energy
25:11
Speaker 1: basket case. We are an energy superpower and now we
25:15
Speaker 1: are light on for energy, light on for energy reliability,
25:19
Speaker 1: and our energy is frightfully expensive by in global terms.
25:23
Speaker 2: I mean, how could we possibly do that to ourselves?
25:27
Speaker 12: It takes an epic amount of stupidity to turn Australia
25:32
Speaker 12: into an energy drought. I mean I live out in
25:34
Speaker 12: the country. I live in a very massively wealthy part
25:37
Speaker 12: of the farming area of Australia, the Wimermalley, incredibly productive
25:42
Speaker 12: and worthwhile part of the world. Out here, people including
25:46
Speaker 12: me are investing in home generators because we're concerned about
25:50
Speaker 12: blackout and electricity shortages. That's the sort of thing that
25:54
Speaker 12: used to kind of be a characteristic of African villages.
25:58
Speaker 12: You'd have the little generators going time to provide a
26:00
Speaker 12: couple of lights. Now we're doing it in Australian country towns.
26:04
Speaker 2: Serious.
26:04
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to Bridget Mackenzie, the Shadow Transport Minister.
26:09
Speaker 1: Her electorate's not far from where you are. This is
26:11
Speaker 1: what she reckons is happening.
26:13
Speaker 13: There are incredible fuel shortages. Geraldry and Deiloquent have run
26:18
Speaker 13: out of fuel. We know that rationing has already started
26:21
Speaker 13: in Wa, particularly with our cropping industry. This has huge
26:26
Speaker 13: implications for Australian industry and Australian households. You can't fix
26:33
Speaker 13: a problem if you don't admit there is one.
26:37
Speaker 2: So who do you believe, Bridget Mackenzie or Chris Bowen.
26:41
Speaker 12: I'm kind of on bridget side here. But I'm not
26:43
Speaker 12: going to let the Coalition off the hook here. They
26:46
Speaker 12: are in power for a long time and they went
26:47
Speaker 12: along with this. And you know we were signed up
26:49
Speaker 12: for net zero by the Morrison government without being given
26:53
Speaker 12: a vote on it. Absolutely, you know, to help with
26:55
Speaker 12: those guys they can if they want to fix this problem,
26:58
Speaker 12: that's great, but they've got a they're parting causing it.
27:01
Speaker 2: Yes, spot on.
27:02
Speaker 1: That was the worst decision of the Morrison government, just
27:05
Speaker 1: to spring zero.
27:06
Speaker 2: On everybody with no vote on it.
27:08
Speaker 1: As you say, thanks for joining us, Tim, We'll catch
27:10
Speaker 1: up with you again on the Thursday, Tim Blair. They're
27:12
Speaker 1: catching stuff on the Daily Telegraph website.
27:14
Speaker 2: We got to go to a break.
27:15
Speaker 1: On the other side of that, I want to have
27:17
Speaker 1: an update and share more on the discussion about the
27:21
Speaker 1: brave Iranian soccer players now calling Australia home as their
27:24
Speaker 1: teammates are now about.
27:25
Speaker 2: To be flown out of the country.
27:35
Speaker 1: I want to get back to the case now of
27:37
Speaker 1: the Iranian women's soccer team. We talked at the top
27:40
Speaker 1: about how five of them have been given asylum an Australia,
27:43
Speaker 1: given humanitarian visas.
27:44
Speaker 2: These were the dramatic pictures this afternoon.
27:47
Speaker 1: As the rest of the group, that is the rest
27:49
Speaker 1: of the players and coaches and officials and interpreters were
27:53
Speaker 1: in a bus being taken from the hotel on the
27:56
Speaker 1: Gold Coast to the airport. They blocked for a short
27:59
Speaker 1: time here protesters trying to protest against the regime and
28:03
Speaker 1: keep the people here. But that was cleared and they
28:06
Speaker 1: were taken on the bus to the airport.
28:08
Speaker 2: We don't know where they're going.
28:09
Speaker 1: We don't know whether all of them have had the
28:12
Speaker 1: chance to express their.
28:14
Speaker 2: Wishes, but they're going.
28:17
Speaker 1: We'll bring you any update as it comes to hand
28:19
Speaker 1: tonight here on Sky News. But to five of their
28:22
Speaker 1: team members, including the captain, are staying here under humanitarian visas.
28:26
Speaker 1: Let's get some reaction from the Iranian community about this
28:30
Speaker 1: brave decision now. And I'm joined here on the program
28:34
Speaker 1: tonight by Minu Tuci and Marni Tagazadi from the Iranian
28:39
Speaker 1: Australian Patriots Association. You're the two founders of the organization.
28:43
Speaker 1: I understand, thanks for joining us.
28:45
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
28:46
Speaker 1: Men, share your thoughts first, obviously from a woman's perspective,
28:50
Speaker 1: the Iranium regime only days ago these women were playing
28:55
Speaker 1: in their veils, refusing to sing the anthem. Now we
28:59
Speaker 1: see them with our minister taking asylum here without their
29:04
Speaker 1: veils on what does this mean to you?
29:07
Speaker 14: So always during the forty seven years off after the
29:14
Speaker 14: like I would say, the rebel happened in our country
29:17
Speaker 14: and this regime actually take over. So the women's always
29:22
Speaker 14: being under the pressure, under the hammer of this regime
29:25
Speaker 14: and they don't have like a freedom and justice. So
29:30
Speaker 14: we've heard that like this soccer player, they the night
29:35
Speaker 14: and refused to seeing their national autumn. And after that
29:40
Speaker 14: in the first game with South Korea, and then after
29:43
Speaker 14: that they've been hostage in the hotel by their security
29:46
Speaker 14: and intelligence actually forced by the Iranian regime, and they
29:54
Speaker 14: were actually denied to have any connection with the external community.
30:02
Speaker 1: They try to stop them speaking to Australian people or
30:06
Speaker 1: Australian authorities.
30:07
Speaker 2: I'm interested in the veil though.
30:09
Speaker 1: It's a very important topic because sometimes feminists tell us
30:14
Speaker 1: don't criticize the mandatory wearing the veil.
30:17
Speaker 2: The women prefer to wear that.
30:18
Speaker 1: Yet the first time we see them claiming asylum in Australia,
30:22
Speaker 1: they're no longer wearing a veil.
30:24
Speaker 2: What does that tell you.
30:27
Speaker 14: I should say, I'm not actually agree with this because
30:31
Speaker 14: whatever actually they wear for the playing game, it's compulsory.
30:36
Speaker 14: It's not their choice. It's not like freely their chosen
30:40
Speaker 14: by their fear FI standard. No, that's what the regime
30:44
Speaker 14: asking them to wear that, So there is no freedom
30:48
Speaker 14: of choice.
30:48
Speaker 2: I can see it exactly, Marie.
30:51
Speaker 1: I'm interested to get your take on how much the
30:53
Speaker 1: Australian Iranian community has helped out in this process. It's
30:57
Speaker 1: been clear that they've been their supporting the women when
31:01
Speaker 1: they're playing and when they've been off the field. I
31:03
Speaker 1: think encouraging them to try and take this step tell
31:07
Speaker 1: us the extent of that assistance.
31:09
Speaker 15: Actually, our association, our members, we've been very, very engaged
31:15
Speaker 15: on this issue from a few days ago. Many of
31:19
Speaker 15: our compatriots in Brisbane, you know, some activists, political activities.
31:24
Speaker 15: You know, they are very engaged and they are they
31:27
Speaker 15: have done their own best and they some you know
31:30
Speaker 15: Iranian lawyers, they helped them. We raised up a campaign
31:36
Speaker 15: in change dot orgadgets. We got more than sixty sixty
31:40
Speaker 15: seven thousand signatures within just two days. You know, it
31:45
Speaker 15: means the Iranian diaspora living in Australia. They are very
31:49
Speaker 15: passionate to do whatever they want for these girls, these
31:54
Speaker 15: brave girls. We feel very passionately that they have to
31:59
Speaker 15: be free to decid you know, so.
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Speaker 2: It's got to be their choice. Let's have a listen
32:02
Speaker 2: to Tony Burke, the Home Affairs.
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Speaker 5: Minister Australia has taken the Iranian women's soccer team into
32:09
Speaker 5: our hearts. These women are tremendously popular in Australia, but
32:14
Speaker 5: we realize they are in a terribly difficult situation with
32:19
Speaker 5: the decisions that they're making.
32:22
Speaker 1: It's one of the few times I agree with the
32:24
Speaker 1: Home Affairs Minister. Tony Burkey spoke a lot of sense there.
32:27
Speaker 2: It is true.
32:28
Speaker 1: Now that's great news for these five women. It's going
32:31
Speaker 1: to be difficult for them. It's a huge choice for
32:33
Speaker 1: them to make. They've got to rebuild their lives, but
32:36
Speaker 1: they do have a promising future. Are you confident money
32:39
Speaker 1: that everybody else in that delegation got the opportunity to
32:43
Speaker 1: plead for asylum if they wanted it.
32:45
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, absolutely yes, And I would say thank you
32:49
Speaker 15: to Presenter Dollar Tramp for stepping on this issue.
32:52
Speaker 1: So none of these people are being forced out of Australia.
32:55
Speaker 1: They are all willing to go now.
32:56
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, definitely, yes, definitely yes. And on top of
33:00
Speaker 15: those five gears we believe we heard about from our
33:03
Speaker 15: compatriots in Brisbane, there are three more. They are get
33:08
Speaker 15: you know, to get rid of the whole team, and
33:11
Speaker 15: they are happy to get asylum.
33:14
Speaker 2: And also they just want to want to clarify that.
33:18
Speaker 1: Are you saying there are three more women in the
33:21
Speaker 1: group who want to claim asylum?
33:23
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, definitely we heard about that.
33:24
Speaker 1: So this is my clear I want to just clarify
33:26
Speaker 1: this point. I'm concerned that there are still people with
33:30
Speaker 1: that group who haven't had the chance to express their
33:34
Speaker 1: desire for asylum. And you're saying that is the case,
33:36
Speaker 1: there's at least three more who want to stand.
33:38
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, definitely yes, and I believe more as long
33:42
Speaker 15: as the Australian government or federal police let them to
33:46
Speaker 15: speak out, let them because I know there is a
33:50
Speaker 15: IGC agent called Mesr Salari's very forced them not to connected,
33:55
Speaker 15: not to touch anybody else.
33:57
Speaker 1: Don't have our authorities then, don't they need to make
34:01
Speaker 1: sure at the airport.
34:02
Speaker 2: Or wherever they can out of our police or.
34:04
Speaker 1: Our customs need to make sure they get each person
34:08
Speaker 1: of this delegation individually, so they don't have anyone over
34:12
Speaker 1: their shoulder, and they have that opportunity to claim asylum
34:16
Speaker 1: if they choose.
34:18
Speaker 14: Absolutely, they have to have this chance because in my view,
34:22
Speaker 14: at the moment they're being forced to go back to Iran.
34:25
Speaker 14: They don't have the rest of the like women's which
34:29
Speaker 14: they are taking at the moment to the Sydney airport.
34:32
Speaker 14: They've enforced that they have to come back to Iran.
34:36
Speaker 14: They don't have any chance to speak out with any community.
34:41
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, They've all got to be
34:43
Speaker 1: able to make that individual choice. Thanks so much for
34:45
Speaker 1: joining us, money and men, you appreciate it.
34:47
Speaker 2: Thank you for having We got to get to a break.
34:49
Speaker 1: Now after the break, Christian Tate's going to join me
34:51
Speaker 1: from the US with all the latest on this war
34:53
Speaker 1: in the Middle East.
34:58
Speaker 2: Just an update on that situation.
35:00
Speaker 1: I've been reliably informed that the remaining Iranian soccer team
35:05
Speaker 1: delegation is en route from the Gold Coast to Sydney,
35:10
Speaker 1: and that they are expecting that they're looking to catch
35:13
Speaker 1: a flight from Sydney to Sri Lanka. So there'll be
35:17
Speaker 1: members of the Australian Iranian community going to Sydney Airport
35:21
Speaker 1: as we speak, to try and get to the team
35:24
Speaker 1: there and try and make sure that everybody has that
35:26
Speaker 1: opportunity as we just discussed, to claim asylum if they can.
35:31
Speaker 1: Now ten days into the conflict with Iran, and President
35:34
Speaker 1: Trump has said the war could soon be over.
35:38
Speaker 16: We're achieving major strides toward completing our military objective, and
35:45
Speaker 16: people could say they're pretty well complete. We've wiped every
35:48
Speaker 16: single force in Iran out very completely. Most of Around's
35:54
Speaker 16: naval power has been sunkets in the bottom of the sea.
36:01
Speaker 1: The center it ends, of course, the betef of glible security,
36:04
Speaker 1: the betef of the world economy, the benef of the
36:06
Speaker 1: Iranian people and other nations in the Middle East, and
36:10
Speaker 1: of course for the president's political position in an election year.
36:13
Speaker 1: As I discussed with US analyst Kristen Tight.
36:17
Speaker 17: You know, I'm optimistic, but I'm not sure how this
36:20
Speaker 17: is going to end anytime soon. All conflicts or all
36:24
Speaker 17: signs do seem to point towards this conflict sort of intensifying.
36:29
Speaker 17: Now we see reports saying that Trump has not ruled
36:32
Speaker 17: out putting American boots on the ground or even using
36:35
Speaker 17: a military draft. He's now saying that the new Supreme
36:39
Speaker 17: Leader won't last long. So I think the American people
36:42
Speaker 17: deserve to know what is the goal that we're trying
36:45
Speaker 17: to accomplish. Was it to destroy Aroand's nuclear capabilities? Is
36:48
Speaker 17: it to destroy their military facilities? Is it to put
36:51
Speaker 17: in place regime change? And how is that going to
36:54
Speaker 17: be achieved? Has it been achieved? These are answers we
36:57
Speaker 17: deserve to know. And yes, you're correct, we're in a
37:00
Speaker 17: midterm year right now, we're all focused on this while
37:03
Speaker 17: the Democrats are talking about the economy. I was driving
37:06
Speaker 17: today and saw four dollars a gallon gas. Again, these
37:10
Speaker 17: are the issues most Americans are most focused on, their
37:13
Speaker 17: everyday economic issues, and rightly so that's what they're thinking about,
37:16
Speaker 17: not some conflict in a part of the world that
37:18
Speaker 17: they can't even pinpoint on a map in many cases.
37:21
Speaker 17: So let's hope this wraps up quickly for the good
37:24
Speaker 17: of the world, and yes, for the Republicans politically as well.
37:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, very important insight there. But I want to continue
37:31
Speaker 1: on with the war issue. I've highlighted a number of
37:34
Speaker 1: times the claims that the US bombs or missiles had
37:38
Speaker 1: struck an Iranian school for girls in southern around.
37:41
Speaker 2: There was a lot of speculation about this, a lot
37:43
Speaker 2: of claims and counterclaims.
37:45
Speaker 1: The weight of evidence does now suggest that this would
37:48
Speaker 1: have been a misdirected American bomb. There are Iranian military
37:52
Speaker 1: facilities very close by. Let's have a look at what
37:55
Speaker 1: the President and the Secretary of War have had to
37:58
Speaker 1: say on this.
38:00
Speaker 2: The United States bomb a girls elementary school in southern
38:03
Speaker 2: Iran on the first day of the war and kill
38:04
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five people based on what I've seen,
38:08
Speaker 2: that was done by Iran? Is that true, mister, except
38:12
Speaker 2: it was Iran who did that.
38:13
Speaker 8: Were certainly investigating still, but the only side the targets
38:18
Speaker 8: civilians is Iran.
38:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:21
Speaker 1: The Secretary of War more circumspect than the president. There
38:24
Speaker 1: the white of evidence suggests this could have been a
38:26
Speaker 1: tragic accident, and I think pet pigs.
38:28
Speaker 2: Say's point is the valid one.
38:30
Speaker 1: That is, certainly the Americans and Israelis are not targeting
38:34
Speaker 1: civilian areas, whereas Iran and through its proxies, definitely has Yeah.
38:40
Speaker 17: Of course, I first saw this story reported last week
38:43
Speaker 17: as I was working for a piece for the Boston Globe,
38:46
Speaker 17: and when I first saw it, I was a bit
38:47
Speaker 17: skeptical because Iranian state media, you know, it can't be
38:50
Speaker 17: trusted a lot of the time. But now it appears
38:52
Speaker 17: to be true. More than one hundred and sixty people
38:55
Speaker 17: were reportedly killed due to a strike that hit a
38:59
Speaker 17: girl's element tree school. Yes, I definitely think this was
39:03
Speaker 17: a mistake. If it's true. Nobody thinks that it was
39:06
Speaker 17: the goal of the US military to kill civilians. However,
39:10
Speaker 17: I do think the administration needs to be upfront about
39:13
Speaker 17: this if it did happen and it was a mistake.
39:16
Speaker 17: If you're not upfront about these things and then the
39:18
Speaker 17: truth comes out, you start to lose credibility, not just
39:21
Speaker 17: abroad but here at home as well. And it is
39:23
Speaker 17: a reminder of the tragedies that occurred during war. But
39:28
Speaker 17: the administration needs to be clear about what exactly happened here.
39:33
Speaker 1: I want to go to the case of the Iranian
39:34
Speaker 1: women's football team, now, the soccer team that's been in
39:37
Speaker 1: Australia for a couple of weeks.
39:39
Speaker 2: Is the story well known in Australia.
39:41
Speaker 1: They were seen bravely refusing to sing their national anthem.
39:45
Speaker 1: A lot of controversy about whether they wanted to claim
39:47
Speaker 1: asylum or not, and we focused on that in this
39:51
Speaker 1: program again last night. Then at about one o'clock in
39:54
Speaker 1: the morning Australian time, President Donald Trump went to social
39:58
Speaker 1: media and he said that was making a terrible humanitarian
40:02
Speaker 1: mistake by allowing the women to be forced back to Iran,
40:07
Speaker 1: where they most likely will be killed. He says, don't
40:09
Speaker 1: do it, mister Prime minister, give them asylum. The US
40:12
Speaker 1: will take them if you won't. Thank you for attention
40:15
Speaker 1: to this matter, President Donald J.
40:17
Speaker 2: Trump. Well, lo and behold.
40:18
Speaker 1: At about two o'clock this morning Australian time, the President
40:22
Speaker 1: spoke with the Prime minister.
40:24
Speaker 2: Here's our prime minister this morning.
40:26
Speaker 4: President Trump rang me this morning, just before two am.
40:34
Speaker 4: We had a very positive discussion. He was concerned about
40:39
Speaker 4: the Iranian women in the soccer team and their welfare
40:45
Speaker 4: and their safety if they returned home. He conveyed that
40:50
Speaker 4: to me. I was able to convey to him the
40:53
Speaker 4: action that we'd undertaken over the previous forty eight hours,
40:57
Speaker 4: and that five of the team had asked for assistance
41:02
Speaker 4: and had received it.
41:05
Speaker 1: There he is Kristin Now. I was saying our government
41:08
Speaker 1: was too slow on this yesterday. Does it look like
41:11
Speaker 1: the President might have just pushed them along a bit.
41:14
Speaker 17: It certainly does, and good for Trump for doing this.
41:17
Speaker 17: This is the right thing to do by not singing
41:19
Speaker 17: the anthem that was obviously viewed as an active defiance
41:23
Speaker 17: of the Iranian regime. Hardliners on the Iranian state media
41:27
Speaker 17: were calling these women traders, raising fears. Of course they
41:31
Speaker 17: could face punishment if they returned home, So of course
41:34
Speaker 17: this is the right thing to do. And these are
41:36
Speaker 17: exactly the kinds of people that the West should be protecting,
41:39
Speaker 17: individuals who risked their lives to stand up to tyranny.
41:44
Speaker 17: And conservatives as well, even those skeptical of open borders
41:47
Speaker 17: or refugees, should be supporting this. This case, of course
41:52
Speaker 17: fits the refugee model here. This is a clear case
41:55
Speaker 17: where there was a political persecution, most likely clear threats
42:00
Speaker 17: from the regime, and these women are symbols of oppression
42:04
Speaker 17: to authoritarian rule. So good on Trump and good on
42:07
Speaker 17: Australia for doing the right thing here.
42:09
Speaker 2: Yes, spot on.
42:10
Speaker 1: There'll be a bit of debate about the timing, but
42:12
Speaker 1: the outcome was brilliant. To have a look at the
42:14
Speaker 1: president's follow up post, he said that he'd just spoken
42:16
Speaker 1: to Anthony Alberizi about the Iranian women.
42:20
Speaker 2: He's on it.
42:21
Speaker 1: Five have already been taken care of the restaurant on
42:23
Speaker 1: their way, and he says that obviously the families are
42:27
Speaker 1: facing threats back in Iran and all the rest of it,
42:30
Speaker 1: and he says, it's a very good job that's been
42:32
Speaker 1: done here. It's been handled delicately. God bless Australia from
42:36
Speaker 1: President Donald J.
42:37
Speaker 2: Trump.
42:38
Speaker 1: So they are on the same page on this issue,
42:40
Speaker 1: and we'll see what on folds for the other women.
42:42
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us again, Christin appreciate it.
42:46
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Chris. Okay, we better get to
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Speaker 2: a break on the other side.
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Speaker 1: Steven seven, Tiampa and Cez O'Brien on plenty of these issues,
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Speaker 1: including Meghan and Harry, are they coming down under?
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Speaker 2: And who cares?
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our panel on a busy Tuesday, Susio
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Speaker 1: O'Brien for News Corps Education editor and breakfast radio host
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Speaker 1: in Canberra at two double C Stephen Center Tempo a
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Speaker 1: plane and eighty five defense personnel into the Middle East
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Speaker 1: for months. Stephen is that the right call our bow
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Speaker 1: very keen to explain They're not there to fight anyone,
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Speaker 1: just to defend.
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Speaker 18: Yeah. Look, I mean the reality is this is where
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Speaker 18: our war crews, I mean the Islamic Republican Guard Corps
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Speaker 18: were responsible for terrorist at tax on our own soil.
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Speaker 18: So I think the Prime Minister's reluctance to officially be
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Speaker 18: involved in this is it belies how important this is
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Speaker 18: to Australia. But look, it is right that we are
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Speaker 18: assisting where we can. I don't necessarily think we need
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Speaker 18: to get to the boots on the ground point, but
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Speaker 18: we should be rendering whatever material assistance we can.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the last thing any country needs to do,
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Speaker 1: is put boots on the ground.
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Speaker 2: But I think Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 1: SUSI was much stronger about what's at stake here. You
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Speaker 1: don't want to be squeamish. This is an odious regime
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Speaker 1: and if they can be knocked over and certainly demilitarized,
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Speaker 1: that'll be a great thing, not just for the Middle
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Speaker 1: East but for the entire world.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I think we're saying eighty five troops four weeks.
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Speaker 19: I mean most people would say that's proportionate, but who
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Speaker 19: knows where this is going to end up? And I
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Speaker 19: think that's the fear at this point. I mean, Trump
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Speaker 19: is going to be under a lot of pressure on
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Speaker 19: his own soil to kind of wrap this up as
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Speaker 19: soon as possible.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if it.
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Speaker 19: Leads to cost of living impact, oil and gas prices
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Speaker 19: going up, it's more expensive for Americans to fill up
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Speaker 19: their car, the same thing here, There's going to be
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Speaker 19: a lot more pressure to wrap this up at the moment.
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Speaker 19: I think this is a proportionate response, but yeah, we're
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Speaker 19: very concerned about how far and how this is going
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Speaker 19: to be.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, look, it's not a bad commitment.
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Speaker 1: I just find it pathetic to hear Albanezi stressing to
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Speaker 1: the world that we're not picking.
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Speaker 2: A fight with Aram.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to do anything to hurt around, because
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Speaker 1: that is the opposite of the language you should be using.
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Speaker 1: There's something else he said today that really struck me,
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Speaker 1: and I want to highlight have.
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Speaker 2: A look at this.
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Speaker 4: The first priority of my government is and always will
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Speaker 4: be to keep Australian safe.
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Speaker 1: The first priority of his government is always to keep
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Speaker 1: Australian safe. Unless you happen to be an Australian Jewish person.
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Speaker 2: Was my first thought. Stephen Am I being harsh.
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Speaker 18: No, absolutely, And that was the first thing I thought.
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Speaker 18: Unless you're Jewish, unless you're Iranian, unless you're Persian, unless
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Speaker 18: you're poor, unless you're living below the poverty line, unless
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Speaker 18: you're somebody that needs to put fuel in your car,
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Speaker 18: food on the table, keep a roof over your head. Yeah,
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Speaker 18: he's protecting all of those people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable, Susie. I want to change the topic and
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Speaker 1: come to you. There's been so much talk about artificial
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Speaker 1: intelligence of late and numbers of jobs. See magnificant numbers
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Speaker 1: of jobs have gone in Australia. Just a couple of
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Speaker 1: the recent articles wise Tech Global to cut two thousand
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Speaker 1: jobs in Australia because of AI manually writing code. Another
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Speaker 1: story last month with afterpay owner block to acts four
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Speaker 1: thousand jobs as AI changes everything. And there's a Goldman
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Speaker 1: Sachs analysis saying that a quarter of all current jobs
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Speaker 1: will go thanks to AI.
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Speaker 2: This is a barbecue stopper.
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Speaker 1: This is what a lot of people are talking about
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Speaker 1: because it's affecting us already, and I think we've only
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Speaker 1: just seen the start of it.
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Speaker 2: Susy. Yeah.
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Speaker 19: I was talking to a friend the other day who
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Speaker 19: was saying her brother in LAWA lost their job about
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Speaker 19: eighteen months ago because he works in shipping logistics. If
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Speaker 19: that's not one of those jobs that will automatically be
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Speaker 19: well has been automatically replaced. I mean, the list is
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Speaker 19: just extraordinary, and a lot of lower level white collar
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Speaker 19: jobs done are just going because the AI is getting
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Speaker 19: so good. It's gone from sort of second level to
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Speaker 19: third level. They're saying jobs that are about two hundred
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Speaker 19: thousand dollars can be done by these machines. And the
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Speaker 19: thing is they're so good. They're often better than some
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Speaker 19: of the people that are losing their jobs. And you
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Speaker 19: just have to wonder, where is this same thing? Where
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Speaker 19: is this going to end? I mean, it's actually frightening.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty safe because they'll never get an AI bot
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Speaker 1: to stumble over words and mispronounce names the way I do.
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Speaker 2: It'll be too smooth.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to get your thoughts, Stephen on the
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Speaker 1: Royals coming to this country next month, Megan and Harry.
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Speaker 1: Are they royals, former Royals, lower royals, whatever they are,
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Speaker 1: and whyever they're coming?
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Speaker 2: Are you looking forward to it?
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Speaker 18: The Juke and Duchess of Montecito, the first Viscount and
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Speaker 18: Viscountess of Netflix. If they want to come to Australia,
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Speaker 18: good luck to them. I don't think anybody's really going
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Speaker 18: to care though, and I think former Royals is the
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Speaker 18: correct way to put it.
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Speaker 2: To address them. Is it going to get much attention?
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Speaker 2: You reckon, Susie.
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Speaker 19: Well, the thing is we cared about them when they
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Speaker 19: were royals. Then we cared about when them when they
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Speaker 19: weren't royals, but only if they were willing to talk about,
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Speaker 19: you know, just the dis the dirt on the family.
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Speaker 19: Now they're global humanitarians. No one cares. Sorry to say,
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Speaker 19: no one.
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Speaker 2: I've got to admit.
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Speaker 19: About that, you know, I've got to admit global humanitarians.
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Speaker 2: I didn't care about the.
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Speaker 1: But if Megan Meghan Markel or whatever her name is,
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Speaker 1: wants to sit on this desk and have a live
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Speaker 1: interview with me on the Kenny.
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Speaker 2: Report, we'll take it. We'll take that interview because we'll
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Speaker 2: find something to ask.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, guys, Susie Stephen there, I do
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Speaker 1: want to share with you, just before I want to
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Speaker 1: go to your feedback from last night's program about what's
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Speaker 1: happening in Iran, I do want to let you know
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Speaker 1: that at this very desk tomorrow night, live in the studio,
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Speaker 1: I'll be speaking to the great form of Minister John Howard.
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Speaker 2: Don't miss it.
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to him about the documentary showing tomorrow night
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Speaker 1: here on the Sky News, John Howard, A Life in Politics.
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Speaker 2: It's a ripper. I saw a special preview screening.
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Speaker 1: Last night and I can't wait to have the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister former Prime Minister in the studio tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: I'm run out of time now. I figure feedback from
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Speaker 2: last night. We're trying to squeeze some of that in
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Thanks for watching. See you tomorrow with John Howard.
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Speaker 2: He's Peter Credlin.