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The Late Debate | 10 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome to the Late Debate. Great to have
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  Speaker 1: your company on the Late Debate. James macversus with Joe
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  Speaker 1: Hildebrand and Jemmy Toon. Yini, great to have you both
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  Speaker 1: on the Late Debate. Before we get into.
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  Speaker 2: The show, I love being here.
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  Speaker 1: What about the One Nation fundraiser. Incredible, it's the telethon.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know we needed.
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  Speaker 3: What's it up to now? Has it gone up to
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  Speaker 3: one point five in like the ten seconds since we
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  Speaker 3: last checked in?
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  Speaker 2: Are they going to be balloons falling from this ceiling?
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, this is not an endorsement anyway. We are
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  Speaker 3: reporting on the news of the tele More.
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  Speaker 2: On that later.
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  Speaker 3: One Nation.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a look. We'll put it up on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Bond, of course, was just having a look at it.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how it grows during the program.
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  Speaker 1: But it started at six o'clock this morning. That is incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Almost one point five million dollars in less than twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours. As Caleb was just saying, this demonstrates it's
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  Speaker 1: not just flaky polling. The surge for One Nation and
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  Speaker 1: there's real people are putting their money where they're voters.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about it very shortly, obviously, but I
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  Speaker 3: think you've got both the major parties really bringing a
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  Speaker 3: knife to a gunfight. Here. You're seeing a sort of
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  Speaker 3: Maga style movement where basically you've got a newly energized
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  Speaker 3: demographic that hasn't really been spoken to or feels like
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  Speaker 3: it's been left behind by the major parties, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just been given a giant fu shotgun and say pull
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  Speaker 3: the trigger, and people are just going anything I can
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  Speaker 3: do to just flip the bird at the establishment.
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  Speaker 2: I think the point to yours that I think is
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  Speaker 2: really potent is that feeling heard. I've got a couple
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  Speaker 2: of friends, believe it or not. I have a couple
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  Speaker 2: of friends who've joined one nation, very normal people, very
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  Speaker 2: middle of the road, no, genuinely because the stereotype that
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  Speaker 2: the government wants us to believe and is trying to push,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not the flex I think it is that
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  Speaker 2: these people are fringe dwellers. They're this there, that these
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  Speaker 2: are everyday people. And I asked one of them, who
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  Speaker 2: I've known twenty odd years, why'd you do it? I'm
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  Speaker 2: just curious to know, and he said, Bondai, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: And it was when you talk about what bun Be
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  Speaker 2: Joyce sat over the weekend. I don't necessarily agree with
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  Speaker 2: everything Bynaby said about that, but in this particular case,
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  Speaker 2: my friend was like, I felt helpless, I felt unheard.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like they hadn't heard. Was the only thing
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  Speaker 2: I could do.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to get into all of that shortly.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight. If the government wasn't worried
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  Speaker 1: about one nation yesterday, well i'll tell you what they'll
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  Speaker 1: be worried today. We'll talk more about that incredible fundraiser
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  Speaker 1: a little later in the program. Media reporting on attempted
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  Speaker 1: beheading in Belfast has been well selective, to say the least.
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  Speaker 1: Are journalists reporting the news or are they curating it?
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  Speaker 1: And how responsible should sporting stars be for their orf
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  Speaker 1: field behavior? The future of England Captain Ben Stokes hangs
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  Speaker 1: by a thread after a night on the town. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get to all of that shortly, but first, Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 1: has come up with well a novel explanation for the
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  Speaker 1: coalition's woeful polling numbers. The latest News poll has the
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  Speaker 1: coalition's primary vote at just eighteen percent, and the Liberal
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  Speaker 1: leader says it's all be because of Labor's budget. He's
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  Speaker 1: told journalists Labour's budget had further eroded trust in the
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  Speaker 1: political system or what one nation labels the UNI Party.
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  Speaker 1: That's damaging for both sides of politics. We're paying part
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  Speaker 1: of the price for it. So let me get this straight.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor wants us to believe Elbow's budget is so
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  Speaker 1: bad it hasn't just collapsed Labour's vote, It's collapsed the
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  Speaker 1: Coalition's vote as well. Now, I don't think there's anyone
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  Speaker 1: who would argue Elbow's budget wasn't bad. But are we
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  Speaker 1: really to believe that voters are punishing the Coalition for
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  Speaker 1: Jim Charmers book keeping. You know, I was going to
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  Speaker 1: vote for the Liberal Party, but when I saw how
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  Speaker 1: bad Labour's budget was, I decided screw the Liberals like
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  Speaker 1: Jim Charmers books. That doesn't add up. No one is
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  Speaker 1: marking down Angus Taylor for Labour's budget, But I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what, voters will absolutely mark down Angus Taylor Joe
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  Speaker 1: for his own electoral blaming his own electoral woes on
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  Speaker 1: Labour's budget.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is one of those things where even
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  Speaker 3: if you think it, don't say it, it just looks
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  Speaker 3: so kind of pathetic. And let's not forget that Angus
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  Speaker 3: Taylor's budget reply was actually endorsed by a Labor premier.
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  Speaker 3: Chris Mints came out and said, yeah, you know, bracket
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  Speaker 3: addressing bracket creep and indexing bracket in flash. It's great idea.
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  Speaker 3: Give him more money. That's fantastic, Far nicer things than
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  Speaker 3: he said about Labour's own budget. So the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor couldn't convert that, I mean maybe angers Tayl's
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  Speaker 3: right and people got confused and thought it was all
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  Speaker 3: the one big party. But the fact that he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been able to make more hay out of that, hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been able to get more mileage out of it, and
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  Speaker 3: that he hasn't been and a lot of people are
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  Speaker 3: saying this hasn't been just out there fronting up, talking
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  Speaker 3: to punters, talking to voters, doing that FaceTime rolling up
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  Speaker 3: the sleeves. You know. That is the biggest criticism I've
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  Speaker 3: been seeing for him around about the place. Not that
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  Speaker 3: he's too close to Labor.
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  Speaker 2: I find I don't know what planet your blokes are on.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I watched that media conference with angus.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see that. I didn't perceive what you perceived
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  Speaker 2: like he was like, oh, you know, the budgets the
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  Speaker 2: reason that my our polling is down. I think he
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  Speaker 2: took him out of context. He said, it's part of
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  Speaker 2: he actually said it in the quote that you quoted.
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  Speaker 2: It's part of the reason that we have got poor numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody hates both parties. I think that's an established part
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  Speaker 2: of the revolution that we're living in right now. I
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  Speaker 2: think everybody's giving him an absolute an unfair play right here.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's doing a good job.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you're absolutely correct, he said. Part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason they hate the Liberals just because people hate
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  Speaker 1: the Labor Party. The reason, the.
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  Speaker 3: Entire reason parties saying that, I think looks weak.
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  Speaker 1: The entire reason people is because people don't believe that
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  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party will stand for conservative value, a good immunity.
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  Speaker 2: It's a broad face. Let's talk about the broad church.
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  Speaker 2: Because your conservative values and my conservative values are arguably
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  Speaker 2: there'd be a Venn diagram where somewhere in the middle
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  Speaker 2: we would agree, and then there'd be the the other
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  Speaker 2: areas where I'd be like, over my dead body. James
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  Speaker 2: Nick First and will I share that view with you.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that it's it's more damaging for people
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  Speaker 2: within the Conservative Party to go and as Taylor doesn't
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  Speaker 2: represent my version of conservatism. Do you know what we
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  Speaker 2: do badly that the Labor Party does very well. We
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  Speaker 2: don't bite our tongues, we don't put purpose over preference.
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  Speaker 2: The Labor Party are very good and very ruthless at that.
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  Speaker 2: We're not good at it.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give us some examples. Gimmer net zero. The Coalition
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  Speaker 1: had a chance to ditch it. They didn't. Even now
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  Speaker 1: they're saying we're not going to pursue net zero, but
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  Speaker 1: nor are we going to leave the Powis Agreement. People
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  Speaker 1: are saying we want one nation because we believe they're
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  Speaker 1: fared income. We don't believe the Liberals are serious take
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  Speaker 1: women's rights. The Liberals had ample opportunity to change the
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  Speaker 1: Sex Discrimination Act.
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  Speaker 2: Why I mean, like they've said what they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do now, now.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to do it now that it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about don't trust, you know, you talk about people
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  Speaker 3: not being able to trust the major party. This was
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  Speaker 3: a major party that the last time was in government
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  Speaker 3: and now it's net zero.
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  Speaker 2: And it didn't promise fifty times not to do something
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  Speaker 2: and then do something.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a new.
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  Speaker 2: Leader of a party who has said we were terrible
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  Speaker 2: and we didn't do that, and if we get in government,
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  Speaker 2: we will do that. So that's all they should be judged.
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  Speaker 3: But again, if for someone who's fed up with both
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  Speaker 3: major parties, right, and for someone who thinks the Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Party will just say whatever it needs to win votes,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't actually values when they say, well, hang on,
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  Speaker 3: you are the ones who signed up to net zero,
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  Speaker 3: and now you're telling us that you're against it. So
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  Speaker 3: it's to do as I say, not as.
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  Speaker 2: I I don't think there's anyone in leadership in the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party that I have heard or spoken to personally
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  Speaker 2: who hasn't admitted that they have trust to rebuild. And
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  Speaker 2: it's a bloody hard job. So no one's out there saying,
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  Speaker 2: certainly not me, going oh this is amazing. We are
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  Speaker 2: you know, off to the races. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work to do. But the idea that someone like Angus
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  Speaker 2: or whoever it might have been, coming in on the
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  Speaker 2: back of the disaster of Susan Lee and the.
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  Speaker 3: Disaster is doing now worse than Susan Lee's Sagain, his
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  Speaker 3: numbers are now worse than Susan Lee's when he knifeters.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't n ie fish enough to self tell me one
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  Speaker 2: thing Susan Lee said or did in her ten months?
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  Speaker 2: What'd you did?
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  Speaker 3: I know? I again, this is the problem. I'm not saying.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the right call to make. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: But since since they've done that, they've gone back.
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  Speaker 2: To you and I are old enough to remember the
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  Speaker 2: world is a funny place, Joe, You and I. You
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  Speaker 2: and I are old enough to remember. You know, John Howard,
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  Speaker 2: Lazarus Rising. I just I just don't have.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor eight No, John Howard, what's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you don't know that, but I you don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: You were, like I remember doing as a young baby journalist,
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  Speaker 2: doing doorstops with John Howard. When he got the last
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  Speaker 2: time he got punted out of the opposition leadership and
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  Speaker 2: then came back, no one would have looked at him
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  Speaker 2: and gone, there's one of the greatest prime ministers of
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  Speaker 2: this country.
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  Speaker 3: Well, would want a liberal party to go back to them?
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  Speaker 2: Now, I know that. What I'm saying is we take
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  Speaker 2: this lens and we unfairly. I think unfairly applied it
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  Speaker 2: to a new leader, someone like him, and go, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's been in the job thirty seconds. Why isn't he
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  Speaker 2: like on top of the pops?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line is I think people who want the
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  Speaker 1: Conservative government believe Pauline Hanson will be a true conservative.
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  Speaker 1: They don't believe. Problem with that Taylor and his Liberals
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  Speaker 1: will stick to Conservatives if they espouse them before the election.
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  Speaker 3: I think, well, I think what actually needs to happen
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  Speaker 3: is a friend of mine kept saying, you know, America
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  Speaker 3: just needs to get Donald Trump out of its system.
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  Speaker 3: I think Australia may need to get one nation out
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  Speaker 3: of its system. Let's have a one nation government. See
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  Speaker 3: how it works, see what happens, see how long it lasts.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe it's the ginger factor. Maybe we just need.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone if everyone loves it.
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  Speaker 2: Read well.
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  Speaker 3: I've always had a keeping on the campaign, and firstly
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  Speaker 3: we've had Anthony Albanesi and I don't like this is
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  Speaker 3: Pauline herself. I don't like it. I don't like it,
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister, so please explain, please explain. Prime Anthey Albanesi
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  Speaker 3: has been targeted by a bunch of signs in his
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  Speaker 3: new sort of home suburb or soon to be home
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  Speaker 3: suburb in Gossop at Central Coast, which, sorry, I voter,
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  Speaker 3: I should say much very nice, fancy little place on
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  Speaker 3: the Central Coast where he's brought that famous mansion. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: Copa Kabana. There you go being told now I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: there eventually, I'm just go up the I just go
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  Speaker 3: up the pay scale. Gossip Evoca, Copa Cavada.
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  Speaker 1: Thank god you didn't start at Hornsbill, we would have
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  Speaker 1: been all night.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. But because he's brought the manage there and
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  Speaker 3: now that has been bombarded with signs saying fifty lies,
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  Speaker 3: I think we've got a headline there. And then at
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  Speaker 3: the same time, One Nation has taken Labour's twenty seven
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  Speaker 3: bucks a piece fundraising push that we turned about talked
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  Speaker 3: about last night and said we'll see your twenty seven
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  Speaker 3: bucks and we'll raise you two bucks. And they are
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  Speaker 3: now launching that twenty nine dollars a piece push that
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  Speaker 3: we are watching in live time actually just go through
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  Speaker 3: the roof. So it is an extraordinary I think an
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  Speaker 3: own goal. I mean that the fire the liar thing
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  Speaker 3: is obviously very very strong. The fifty lies thing again
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  Speaker 3: I don't like. I don't like it, but it's clearly
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  Speaker 3: cutting through. And I think my thing now is that
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  Speaker 3: I think One Nation's vote was actually plateauing before the budget.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that the most catastrophic thing about the
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  Speaker 3: budget has in many ways not been the economic impact
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  Speaker 3: that it's having or will have, as much as the
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  Speaker 3: complete breach of faith. So you had a time, you
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  Speaker 3: had a sort of tipping point where you know, okay,
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  Speaker 3: they've done the Stage three tax cuts backflip. Everyone got
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  Speaker 3: more money for that, So that was fine, they got
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  Speaker 3: away with it. But at a time when you've got
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  Speaker 3: a one nation party that is about to make that
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  Speaker 3: sort of quantum leap to mainstream status on the back
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  Speaker 3: of you cannot trust what the major parties say. They lie,
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  Speaker 3: they change their minds, they're only in it for themselves,
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  Speaker 3: and then you have this huge monster thing and that
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  Speaker 3: is what has taken One Nation into the next level.
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  Speaker 3: And again I don't think it's any coincidence that the
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  Speaker 3: only time they started actually beating labor and not just
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  Speaker 3: the coalition was after the budget.
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  Speaker 2: Do not think that that was genuinely do not think
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  Speaker 2: that that was inevitable that they would have eventually catched Labor.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think but for this budget, they would have
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  Speaker 2: actually plateaued? Really, I was curious. I wasn't wedded to
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  Speaker 2: the idea that they might, but I was curious.
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  Speaker 3: It's still a huge meteoric rise. But again, if Labor
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  Speaker 3: had just stuck to the center, not tried to do
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  Speaker 3: anything too smart, we're never going to do well, I hoped.
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  Speaker 1: Let me pick you up on something you said. We were,
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  Speaker 1: as you were talking, we were showing viewers these fifty
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  Speaker 1: kilometer an hour signs that have been shall we say,
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  Speaker 1: adjusted in an enhanced suburb. Let me let me show
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  Speaker 1: you again. Have look at these, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: get your thoughts around now. These have been made up
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  Speaker 1: all around Elbow's mansion on the Central coast. You said
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: you don't like it. I love this because this is
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: that the best way to fight back against stupidity, against
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  Speaker 1: lies is ridicule and mockery. I know Anthony Albanez.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't like glassiest of glass jaws of any politician
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  Speaker 2: in recent history. He's a fragile unit.
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  Speaker 1: Remember a couple of years ago when people were doing
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  Speaker 1: Elbow memes in front of the media, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: it's not right people are making memes of me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of people targeting people's private
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  Speaker 3: homes or their product, suburbs or but it's obviously designed
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  Speaker 3: to get right into his sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of so he will see how well I'm in a
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  Speaker 2: sty of this country. Here's the privilege of serving this nation.
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  Speaker 2: He works for you, you and me. And if he
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  Speaker 2: thinks that somehow makes him beyond approach, it's not showing
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  Speaker 2: his address. Everyone knows he's got that place in Copa
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  Speaker 2: Gabana because it was public. He made it public. They
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  Speaker 2: bought the bloody house. I don't have any sympathy for
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  Speaker 2: this man at all.
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  Speaker 3: What about the stick is that when they had you know,
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  Speaker 3: Josh Freedenberg and Scott Morrison, and they put them on
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  Speaker 3: all the bins and said take out the trash. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't like that either. I felt it's just mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: just nasty, it's low. That's the sort of thing get
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  Speaker 3: Up would do, quite frank.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So two things I would say about that. He
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  Speaker 2: did lie fifty times. That is an objective truth saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't they put his neighborhood into it. And someone well,
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows his neighborhood. If it was on his front door,
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  Speaker 2: I would be on a unity ticket with you. But
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  Speaker 2: he lied fifty times. Let's not pretend he didn't lie
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  Speaker 2: fifty times plus the rest. Saying someone is trash and
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  Speaker 2: it putting a sign on the bit and saying take
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  Speaker 2: out the trash, that is not an objective fact. That
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  Speaker 2: is a vile nastiness. I agree to the body politic
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  Speaker 2: that we don't want. But if you're Prime minister, if
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  Speaker 2: your old mate is on the top dollar, who's got
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  Speaker 2: the privileges I say of serving and leading this country.
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  Speaker 2: Cannot lie straight in bed and lies to the Australian
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  Speaker 2: public fifty times and the rest. I don't know any
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  Speaker 2: simple but.
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  Speaker 3: Technically I don't think he actually did lie fifty times.
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  Speaker 3: It was just that infamous grabbery he said that, yeah
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  Speaker 3: the fifth time.
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  Speaker 1: No, what would be the point of making those signs
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  Speaker 1: in Castle Hill, for instance, where l never is. The
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Only point of doing it is where he will see them,
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  Speaker 1: so he will be reminded every day you lied to us.
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  Speaker 1: We know it, We will not forget, and we will
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  Speaker 1: punish you at the next election.
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  Speaker 3: I think everyone would get I think they get the
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  Speaker 3: message the reference. You could do it anywhere and everyone
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  Speaker 3: would get the reference because it's all anybody's talking about, and.
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  Speaker 2: So it should be well anyway, all right.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Jimmy talked to us about again in Ireland events overnight
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  Speaker 1: absolutely horrific.
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  Speaker 2: So Northern Ireland. It's erupted into wild protests, burning all
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: sorts of infrastructure and cars and homes and everything. Obviously
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: in the wake of that horrendously traumatic event in which
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: a man allegedly attempted to behead another man. And we
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: now know from media reports that and you can see
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: some of the vision that we're seeing right now. To
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: be honest, I thought it was right. So here's some
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: of the vision that It's terribly distressing. I know that
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I couldn't take me a while to be able to
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: sit and wat. And this chap who's been charged is
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a Pseudanese national. He's been charged with attempt he's been
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: charged with attempted murder. The issue here is about how
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: the media has covered this story. So let me just
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: give you a couple of examples. The ABC here in
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Australia has called this a vicious stabbing attack. The Guardian
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: has called it the Belfast knife attack. The SBS here
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: in Australia have called it a stabbing attack. Now if
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: you didn't know, I hear stabbing attack and I think
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: maybe someone's been stabbed in the tummy or in the arm,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: or in the heart or in the neck or something
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: like that. A stabbing attack is not an attempted beheading.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: This was next level. This is a crime that is
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: inextricably linked to religious extremism. We know that it's linked
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: to a variety of things that a lot of the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: particular left leaning media, I would argue James are so
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: nervous about calling it what it is.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the problem is and again have a
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: look at how they've described it overseas. So the BBC,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: which of course the British equivalent of the ABAC, they've
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: said disorder brixalt in Belfast after man charged uber knife attack.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: And then the Irish Times have said several homes and
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: bus set on fire as hundreds take to Belfast Street
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: after knife attack. So again I think like you, I mean,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: you know you hear different coming from a paper street
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: like the Daily Telegraph, that crime is really central to
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: what it reports on. There're stabbings all the time, it
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: never ends, whereas as soon as you say beheading or
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: attempted beheading, suddenly it does have connotations with the most
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: recent state of beheadings that we've seen, which was at
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: the hands of Islamic stuff.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: There's fifty thousand knife attacks in the UK every single year,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: so there's a massive difference between a knife attack and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the beheading. And as both of you have alluded to,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: when you hear about a beheading, it immediately raises two questions,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: especially a beheading in the UK, it raises a question
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of race and it raises the question of religion. Now
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: police have said they don't know what the motive is.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: They have so far said I'm just telling you what
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: police have said. Sorry, James, Police have said we at
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: this stage have ruled out terrorism. Now you can believe that,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: see what happened. But it seems to me like the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: media don't want the questions of race or religion to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: be asked, which is why they're studiously avoiding the term beheading.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: In fact, The Irish Times, a lengthy article on this incident,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: did not mention beheading once. The only time it even
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: referred to beheading was when it quoted a police officer
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: who urged the public to keep calm heads quote unquote
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: in relation to their response. And that would be funny
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: if the whole thing wasn't so damn shocking. Just one
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: more thing quickly, that the headlines that you read out there, Joe,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: did you notice a subtle shift in focus that the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: media made to the crowd. The emphasis was on the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: rioting in response to the attempt to beheading rather than
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the behead itself.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: And that I'm going to give them a lead pass
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: on that because presumably these were the latest stories. They've
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: already reported on them. Nfe attack beheading. But again, so
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I can't say one other thing.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It took until the twenty second paragraph of the Irish
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Times article till you found out the attacker was Sudanese. Yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: twenty two paragraphs.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: If you go back, if you go back once, I
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: was once a warrior, I was once a TV journalist.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Did ten years in commercial TV at Channel seven in
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Perth and had a great time. And as the Daily Telly.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Crime was a big part of our fair and I
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: covered a lot of courts and I covered a lot
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of crime. My job was to tell the truth. What
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: are the truths? The objective facts. The man is Sudanese.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't attempted beheading, it wasn't a step. There were
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: certain religious phrases that he was heard saying as he
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: was attempting to slice this allegedly blokes head off. It's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a complete abrogation of duty for any editor, any newsroom,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: any publication to omit those facts, because what does it do.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: It actually inadvertently feeds the problem that we have with
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: social discord, because there's no trust. And I'm living in
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: safety on the other side of the world, and I'm
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: hearing Kirstarma the you know, the epitome of a shiver
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: walking looking for a spine to walk up. I'm hearing
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: key Istama being more. There is his tweet up on screen.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: The scenes in Belfast last night shocking and completely unacceptable.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: You know, there is no justification for violence and disorder.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Do you know what? I don't feel like calming down
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm on the other side of the world and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I'm safe. I'm not saying, you know, go burn down
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a bus, but I am saying two things can exist
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: intension at the same time.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: So can I ask you both a question regarding the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: media coverage because it seems to me there's two options,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So tell me what you think. Option A, the media
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: are deliberately trying to cover up things they don't want's
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: spoken about because the media have an agenda. Option B
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the media are afraid of the reaction and they are
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: trying to keep things calm by maybe not emphasizing certain
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: points that might upset the general populace. So you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: they're trying to be socially responsible. Which way would you lean?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I think in all these things, I'm not sure if
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: someone actually sat down and even made a you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: deliberate decision. Okay, guys, do we call this a stabbing
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: or a beheading, or whether or not that happens in
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: comfortable quite possibly, but or whether it was more just
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: a sort of cultural thing at the organization where both
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: are true, where that's right, where reporters, editors, whatever were
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: perhaps even subconsciously kind of self censoring because that was.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: What if you want to sell newspapers, it's beheading, not
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: life attack.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: But also the thing is that that like and again
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: this is why it actually ends up being completely misleading,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: because the nature of a beheading or an attempted beheading
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: completely changes the nature of the crime and what it
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: has to be. And again it doesn't necessarily have to
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: be Islamu's terror. It can just be. There have been
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: horrific beheadings by absolutely psychotic people in Australia and infamous
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: one just a few years ago. But but you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: you do not behead someone to steal their wallet. You
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: do not behead someone as part of a tip for
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: tat youth crime, gang turf war. Right, So this is
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: this is something obviously that is far more extreme, whether
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: it is because of extremist ideology or it's just because
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: someone has lost their marbles. But it's hard to think about.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: You know, many other option the same.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But to your point about which is a I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it's both in one at the same time. Like every organization,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: every media organization has a confirmation bias or a publication bias.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: There are center left publications, there are far left publications,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: there are conservative publications. Every publication has a responsibility to
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: tell the facts as they happen. And from my perspective,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: at least, if you're omitting the fact of a person's nationality,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: if that person I'll challenge if that person had to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: been a white guy from Austria. Do you reckon they
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have said he was an Austrian national. Of course
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: they would have if that person had have done anything else.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: We can't keep giving them a free part us. And
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I say that as someone who used to be in
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: those editorial conferences making those decisions. The only example that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I can give you that I know of and have
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: experienced and have what's what I'm looking for being part
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of is in relation to the reporting of self harm.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So there's a set of guidelines called the mind Frame Guidelines.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Every news administrative signs up to the lifeline, runs, runs them,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: or administrates them. And that is around documented, peer reviewed
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: studies that show about the impact of reporting on.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Copycat The crazy thing about this media coverage is that,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: as you said at the start of that topic, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: we saw the video, everyone's seen what happened. It went viral.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Now everyone thinks there's a cover up, but then.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Hang on a second, it doesn't.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: There's nothing there that's confusing in my view from what
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I've seen.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Let's stay in the UK where the English cricket captain
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Ben Stokes has found himself in hot water. Now, the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: English cricket team were in Australia not that long ago,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and while in Australia they were absolutely panned for their
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: poor behavior off the field. In fact, many believe their
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: poor form on the pitch was a direct result of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that they were often out late partying. They're
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: at the beach. They were probably more interested in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: bars than they were in the actual cricket games themselves.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So in their current series at home against New Zealand,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: they determined they were going to behave ben Stokes, the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: captain said that the players had agreed they would have
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a twelve pm curfew. Midnight they are in bed, so
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that twelve am that was the agreement. Well, Ben Stokes
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: has been found out and about at one am, so
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: he's been involved in an altercation. Now, to be fair,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't start the altercation, nor did he throw any punches,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: but he found himself in the midst of it. And
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: now questions are being asked about his captaincy. How can you,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: as captain say the team will have a midnight curfew
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and then you be out at one am. It raises
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the question of role models. Joe ben Stokes is a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: brilliant cricketer. Yep, he averages thirty five with the bat
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: thirty one.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: He wasn't in that particular match. Ironically, he don't.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Do well in that game. Nevertheless, England won the game
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: against New Zealand. Ben Stokes is a fantastic cricketer. He's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: got one of the best captaincy records in English cricket history.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Sixty percent of games under his captaincy they win. Do
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: they keep him as captain or do they ditch him
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: because he can't be in bed on time? What's more important?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's time that we eased up on I mean,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: sport has become so incredibly highly curated and managed, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I understand there are reasons for that, and there has
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: to be a level of professionalism, but honestly, like in
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the old days, that is the sort of thing that
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: would have been openly celebrated. It would have been the
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: stuff of legend. I mean, they are still telling stories
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: about the infamous trip that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: David Glory days.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Joe that's right, and then rock up and again, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: good luck to anyone try to do that nowadays. But
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you know, I think we have to learn to sort
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: of lighten up a little bit. And you know, if
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: they look firstly when they went on the booze here
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: in Australia, they lost every game, so we should be
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: encouraging it just on that basis alone, but also if
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: they're going to go out, if they're not hurting anybody,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: you know, if some dickhead you know, has a crack
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: at them for being out too late, it would be
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: good if that was the reason, wasn't it. Hey hey
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: stokesy pass your bedtime. But but you know, as long
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: as they're not causing trouble the violence I hate. You know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: we've obviously had, you know, closer to our home codes
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: have have real problems with sexual assault against women. Disgusting,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: But just going out on the tiles and having a
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: few drinks, letting your head out, is there really anything
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: that wrong with it?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Jimmy, I feel like I'm conflicted,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: yes and no.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, And you were going to go hard.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I was going to go hide. But I hate crickets
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and I was boring game in the world. Sorry, everyone,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it's the best game to sleep too. Other than that
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: is just a dull game. I think there's that fine line. Right. So,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: leadership and we're trying to raise good young men and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: young women and leadership, and it speaks to the Sam
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: curthing as well, right indirectly. So what do we expect
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: of our leaders. We expect them to own their mistakes.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: We expect them to demonstrate behavior that if your kids
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: are watching Ben Stokes and you go like, I wouldn't say,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: for example, the issue isn't like that he was out
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: past his bedtime, although for me that's a fundamental mission
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: critical thing. Nine point thirty For those who are playing
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: long on home, got to get your beauty sleep.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: This is for you.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I know it's a big week for me.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: What's in that glass?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't you like to know? It's about saying can
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you be a person of your word? What is leadership?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Leadership is sacrificed. Leadership is doing the right thing. Are
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: they going to fall? Of course they got a fall.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Of course they're going to fall over.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Beck just won the match. Presumably the curfew.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Is before match.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, will you think that once they just won
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the match and it was done and it doesn't it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: not like it's a series to be I have too
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: whatever a problem. I have a problem with sports people
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: who take the big bucks and lecture us. Hello Australian
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: cricket team on various social causes and don't want to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: be criticized for anything. Ever that they put themselves on
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: a pedestal and expect to be heard and expect to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: use their platform for their pet causes. Good on you.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But then whatever speed bump comes along and they are like, oh, well,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just a normal person. No, you're not. You're a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: person who gets paid a bazillion ty dollars to play
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: a game with a batman ball. You just got really
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: good genetics and a little bit of work ethic and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: life is golden for you for the rest of your life.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: So that comes with the price and responsibility.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, isn't an unfair because someone
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is brilliant with a bat and ball to expect them
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to then have a character that is above most people.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: They're brilliant with a bat in the ball. It's he's
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: not prime minister. He hits a cricket ball really well.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But then we expect him to behave like someone that
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: all of our young people can look up.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I think we're asking him to do something comes to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: things like this, when it comes to things like assaulting
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: women or you know, driving drugs, violent, whatever, you know.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I mean again, these are people whose posters are on
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the walls of you know, twelve year old boys who think,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: one day I want to be like him. So I
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: do get it when it's them doing that SOFF. But
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: it's more just the sort of pearl clutching and the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: censoriousness about oh, he was out past his curfew. He's
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: not really hurting any.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Issue to me with curfew is who cares what kids
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: think about him being out at one am? The issue
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: is can he lead the team as the captain? Having
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: said this is what we agree to.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Question is not did he go out drinking? The question
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and then whether it back up the next day and
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: began to score a century on a hangover. That man's
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a hero's a bloody legend.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But we'll see how he goes in the second test.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: The metrics who used to apply it the Daily Telegraph
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: sadly no longer, But anyway.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Parents to growing up with absolutely no sporting a bill heart,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: let me tell you.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Let's look over to a slightly less important issue than
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: which is the emerging World War III breaken out between
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: the US and Tehran, and Donald Trump has come out.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: God bless his cotton. Socks and said that a deal
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: with Iran is quote unquote still close despite Retalia tree
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: strikes over a downed helicopter. And then we've got another one.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: How many where Trump has claimed that an Iran deal
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: is around the corner no less than thirty eight times.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Now we're now hearing that Trump may launch a new
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: offensive despite saying that a deal is just around the corner.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: So the question I suppose is, is Donald Trump, dare
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I say it? Trigger warning? If we're talking about people
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: saying something that is a true dozens and dozens of
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: times and getting their come upance for it. I'm no
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Trump hater, but can we actually believe a word that
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: he says about Iran? Given that he said that a
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: deal is about to be struck thirty eight times and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: so far nada, it looks, in fact like it might
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: be getting even further away, and that we might be
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: going back to open.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump has just posted this on social media just
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: in the last few minutes. I believe Iran's military is
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a complete and total mess. Much of it, like their
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: navy and Air force, doesn't even exist anymore. They've been
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: completely defeated. Iran is all talk and no action. The
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: bully of the Middle East is dead. They've taken too
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: long to negotiate a deal that would have been great
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: for them. Now they will have to pay the price.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump, He's just.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Said that before as well. That's the thing said.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I hate about all of this, a
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: lot of it. But what I hate about this is
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the people of Iran who want freedom. And I'm not
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: saying that as a warmonger, because no sane person wants war.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But imagine if we had have just waited out diplomacy
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: in Hitler and everyone likes to use that analogy, You're
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: talking about the biggest violator of human rights in the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: world executes executes more people in the world, women, gays.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: We all know the statistics, right, And these are stories
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that aren't while this garbage is going on. These are
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: stories that are still going on people who are just
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you know, desperate from the same freedom.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Controversial opinion, Yeah, go on, I don't care what Donald
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Trump says. It's irrelevant what he says, what he says publicly,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: what he posts on truth social take it with a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: grain of salt. It's more entertainment than information, to be honest.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It's what Trump does that is important.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Even more controversial opinion. I think the problem with all
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: his bellicost language or him saying, you know, if you
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: don't do this, we're going to do it, the problem
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: has been that he hasn't actually followed through that. He said,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: we're going to bomb you back to oblivion or whatever
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: if you don't do this, or you don't do that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: or here's this deadline, and they've passed and there have
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: been no consequences, and that undermines Trump's biggest kind of
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: skill as a diplomat, his secret weapon, which is Madman diplomacy.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: This guy is so crazy he could do anything. And instead,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: what Trump is displaying, possibly because he's more of a
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: peace amonger than people give him credit for, is that
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: he will actually blink. He doesn't want to wipe out,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you know, civilian pops.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, he's not done on a barber
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and released a whole lot of funds to the Uranian regime.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: He's not said, well, you can keep your nuclear dust
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and we'll just have a ten year pause. So the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: thing is a stale mate, But at the moment he
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: has not given up on his resolve that they must
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: get rid of all their nuclear material. I'm still in
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Team Trump on this one.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I am on Team Trump.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Also, I thought you're on team Triggered.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I'm on.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: But there's a book.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: There's a Oh, this is great. Team triggered. Tonyini is
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: not triggered because she has not read this book. But
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: as we dive back into the world of I don't
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: know using the word work because it seems to diminish.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But this is Janet and John. My point of reference
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: is Dick and Dora. I'm of that vintage you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: c spot run that kind of thing. So we've got
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a museum in the Midlands has placed trigger warnings on
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the beloved Janet and John. Have to take your word
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: for it that they're beloved beloved children's series, over the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: claims that it contains outdated views. The Black Country Living
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Museum has worn visitors that several of its classic books
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: displayed in its newly newly released nineteen sixties public library
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: replica library have outdated views, views that were wrong then
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: wrong now. And among the titles flagged is this Janet
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: and John book featuring the simple adventures of a brother
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and sister and their pet dog, which sounds really darn
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: holst to me, why do we need? It?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Sounds racist to me.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're a racist. I'm a racist. Janet and
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: John are probably racist. Dog is one racist. The dog
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: is probably well we had.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They're upset that the boy is adventurous and the girl
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: prefers sort of domestic.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe she makes to bad.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: This is terrible.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Apparently she likes to bake, and that's bad. I don't know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like what the trigger warning I think is for vision
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: light that we saw of an attempted beheading. I would
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like a trigger warning on that.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I was triggered by the fact that Janet and John
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: again another hot take, hopefully for this one, weren't racist
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: enough because I was looking at I was looking up
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: because I hadn't had. I was thinking Dick and Jane.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I don't remember them being rampant. I don't remember them
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: taking part in any lynchings did and I looked up
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: and it is that what they are outraged. The triggering
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: bit is simply that they are from a really boring,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: middle class nuclear family And totally.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: What annoys me about this is the absolute arrogance of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: those who say this book contains outdated their views, as
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: if somehow they are the arbiter on what views are
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: current and permissible and what views are not. It's just
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the height of arrogance to presume they have that power.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines, including I'll tell you what
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: if you think power prices are high, now, wait until
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you hear what's going to happen when data centers spread
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: across the country. The Australian Tomorrow has a great story
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: on that. We'll talk about it after this. Welcome back
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to the program. Let's take a look at what's making
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: headlines tomorrow, so you get them all here first. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: there's some cracking stories Joe in Tomorrow's Australian.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right, James, and your eyes are too shot
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to read them, so it's fallen to me. This is
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: my great moment finally. Anyway, our first up compo run
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: for foreign criminals is the Splash in the Odds Tomorrow.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Labor is facing an avalanche of claims from several hundred
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: foreign born criminals and boat people held in immigration over
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: decades after the High Court rejected the Commonwealth's case that
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: it should not have to compensate those who were subject
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: to unlawful detention. Legal experts, so Wednesday's ruling will open
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the door to compensation claims from not just the more
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: than three hundred convicted criminals released as a result of
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: the High Courts n z YQ decision in twenty twenty three,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: remember that one, and that was a cracker, but also
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: potentially thousands of asylum seekers and refugees who have been
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: processed through the Australian system. Well, I think we'll just
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: put that on the back burner and just not think
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: about it every again, because that is not going to
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: be a good results.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Any Pauline Hanson's fundraiser just went up another billion dollars.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: When people read this story tomorrow, this is just a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: different for one nation.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're speaking of gifts for one nation. They've
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: just got another one, and this time it's from Angus
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Taylor's the right hand man, non compete cause Taylor's Taylor
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: confidants shot call on one nation. Angus Taylor's close confident
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: and numbers man Tony Passin has served urged my eyes
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: are shot too, has urged the Liberal Party to sit
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: down with Pauline Hanson to identify the seats in which
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Liberal and One Nation candidates should run so they're not
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: competing against each other. This is crazy stuff in an
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: attempt to oust Labor without cannibalizing the coalition. Mister Passon,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: a Liberal Front bencher and member for the South Australian
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: seat of Barker, in which One Nation came third at
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the last election, which is actually a merciful result for
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: the other two parties, broke Ranks to say an agreement
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: must be considered if there is to be a Conservative
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: government elected. So he's basically proposing no three cornered contests,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: but instead of between the Libs and the Nats, between
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the Coalition and One Nation, which would effectively make the
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Coalition and One Nation.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Coalition should just make a point on to the side
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: of this Turkey Johnny Passon like Broke Ranks to make
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: this statement, mate, nobody like this is what I was
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: talking to you about before, Like do this stuff behind
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: closed doors. Voters don't care. You want to demonstrate that
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you're out of touch with the things that voters are
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: currently concerned about. They can not about this stuff. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I say this as a conservative voter who's not in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the Liberal party, Tony Passon, don't care about your ideas,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: don't care about what you want to break ranks about,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: do it behind closed doors.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't this be the sort of thing that you would
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: do if you weren't getting anywhere behind closed doors and
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: people weren't listening to the right, I'm going to blast
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: out of them, or just so proverbally scared for your seat.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting dynamic at the moment because on the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: one hand, you've got Tony Abbott and others saying, look,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: we need to do a deal with one Nation, we
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: need to work together. At the exact same time, you've
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: got Andrew Hasty saying that Pauline Hans Hanson is a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: MAGA first person. You've got Tim Wilson, who spoke to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Caleb Bond the other night talking about One Nation is
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: full of extremists and we're going to have to take
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson's word that she's going to get those extremists
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: out of the party. So on the one hand, they're
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: trying to get close to One Nation, and on the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: other hand they're sort of pushing them away. I'm not
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: sure how that is going domestic right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Well, they could just be wiped out obviously anyway, just
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: on the back of sort of you know, organic preference flies.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: But if they do do a proper preference deal with
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: one nation pretty much everywhere the coalition party runs third
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: and gives their preferences to one nation, that wipes them
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: out in that seat well forever, like I mean, I mean,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: they could maybe that's part of the calculations. All Right,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: we're facing possibly a one hundred percent wipe out. Maybe
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: we should cop a fifty percent wipeout, so we've got
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: somewhere to rebuild from. But again, I mean, the saving
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: grace in somewhere like Victoria is the Libs are still
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: ahead of one nation, which means that they will pick
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: up their preferences and hope.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Just really quickly, Joe, Yeah, you've just been tied that
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: one nation. Five life fundraisers now point one has now
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: hit one point five million dollars. Again, this began at
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: six am this morning. They hoped maybe we could get
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: a million dollars, one point five million dollars in less
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: than twenty four hours.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a great observer of life, and this is an
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: absolute cracker.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, Anyway, they now have said they're hoping to achieve
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: one point seven.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: You know what they will tomorrow.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, we'll have the ticker and I might just
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: bring us all a little late.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now they will. And finally on
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the front of the eyes, because otherwise talk about nothing
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: but one nation. Bon homing for bon homie. Get it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Oh that's good, Yeah, good one, Michelle, bon homing for Bowen.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: But data center's risk further direct debit drain for families
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: and j Maack mentioned this earlier. But Labor is backing
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the data center boom to accelerate the transition to renewables,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: but admits it could push up energy prices if the
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: AI rollout is not quote unquote carefully managed. As Chris
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Bowen uses his senior post it, this is you in
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Climate change conference to endorse a target for electricity to
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: supply thirty five percent of the world's energy demands by
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: mid next decade. I was MC hosting a telecommunications summit
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: last week and the stuff that's the data center stuff
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: is just bigger than ben hurt and is going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: be huge. If we don't have the infrastructure, we're all screwed.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not happy. Note over to you.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: James all right, well, talking about we're all screwed, Let's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: go to Victoria. The Herald's son has got an absolutely
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: astonishing story on the front page. I'll read it for
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you and then we'll comment. Exclusive sixteen year old with
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty eight prior chargers sixteen years old
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and bailed over fifty times, accused of filming home invasion
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of mum holding a newborn, don't set him free, reads
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the headline. Police have implored a magistrate to deny bail
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to a notorious youth offender. As I said, three hundred
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and eighty eight priors, he's facing life in jail. This
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: is the first major test of Victoria's adult time for
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: violent crime laws over a home invasion. It's astonishing to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: me that police would have to say to the magistrate,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: please don't give this guy bail a fifty first time.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: That should be an absolute given that he doesn't get bailed.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: But you just don't know these days, especially in Victoria.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Can I be the counter intuitive, soft hearted lefty here?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Like this kid is how old? A teenager? What life
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: has his kid had? Obviously a really crappy one, right,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: and he's facing life in jail as a sixteen year old.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he should be let out on
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the streets, but oh my god, we are failing a generation.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Let me be the hard nosed right winger. What sort
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of life of his victims had three hundred and eight right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But he's still sixteen years old, so he's done three
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty eight prior convictions in sixteen short years
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of life. Sixteen years old, I was working at Woolworth
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: and dancing to jibees mode at the school disco.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think if the bleeding hearts wanted to
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: make it all about his tough life, and I'm sure
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: it has been. Maybe it hasn't, who knows, but they
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: had three hundred and eighty seven prior to do that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: To do that, that's my point. We're failing this kid.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: We failed him at a fence number ten or fifteen
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: or twenty, right.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I think at some point he starts to fail himself.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: As well as well. Who knew that I would be
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the bleeding heart?
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: He agreed, You've got the gold cost.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Bullets, tough to teal by my tongue. So this is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: this is a really perplexing story for me, having been
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: once was a warrior journalist Gold Coast Bully on the
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: front page eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars for witnessing
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: a fatal crash British tourists who witnessed the Sea World
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: helicopter tragedy. We all remember that. One absolutely appalling story
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: is suing the Chopper company for almost eight hundred and
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars for mental trauma after the horrors of
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: seeing a pilot's body pulled from the record wreckage, debris
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: striking the heliport, and other onlookers screaming in extreme distress,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: like not for being in the crash, not for being
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: impacted by the crash, for witnessing. I want to know
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: who I get to sue for ten years of TV
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: journalism when I saw my fair share of crash scenes
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and bodies and deceased people.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Jokes, is you see that as a journalist it would
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: be a horrible thing to witness. But honestly, eight hundred
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and fifty grand for trauma give me a break.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: But also, and that's your first response, you think, oh, yeah,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: I reckon. I could get a bit of money out
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: of this. I wouldn't care how awful was it for
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: me to have to see that man die? Yeah, there was,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: there were some people some I'm sure it was totally legitimate.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of this after the Boxing Day tsunami.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I think it was people are saying, oh, this is terrible.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I had to see all these dead bodies, and it's like, yeah,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: imagine how terrible it was for them.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, PTSD is the thing. I had friends who
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: covered the Barley bombings because being in the Perth newsroom,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: they were up there and you know, in fairness to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the network, they looked after people extremely well for that
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: hugely traumatic experience.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: But this is to be looked after.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I can confirm. I don't think anyone was paid eight
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grand.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: No, look after the people, of course, treat them instead
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: of just very quickly and you should out on the
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: high seas. A Royal Australian Navy ship has been fired
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: upon by suspected tobacco smugglers off the NT coast. It's terrible.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: You can read all about it and tomorrow's the Northern
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Territory Paper. We're gonna go to a break when we
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: come back. A gentleman banned from writing roller coasters in
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the United States because he's been eating chicken nuggets while
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: on the roller coasters. We'll talk about that in the second.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: These days, I try to avoid roller coasters, but if
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go on a roller coaster, I certainly
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: don't eat before getting on it, and I definitely don't
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: eat while on it. But there's an American YouTuber aptly
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: named Allen Ferrell, a very appropriate name, who decided he
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: was going to try and eat ten McDonald's chicken nuggets
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: while on one of the highest roller coasters in the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: United States. You can see there. He actually did pretty well.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: He managed to consume seven of the ten nuggets, which
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: he smuggled onto the roller coaster in his underwear. He
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: had a mate not only filming him, but supplying the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: sweet and sour sauce that he dipped the nuggets in
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: while on the roller coaster. Once he got off, the
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: people who were running the ride confronted him, and he's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: now been banned from all of the six Flag amusement
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: parks in the United States because apparently, if one of
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: those nuggets had fallen, it could have hit somebody and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: done some damage. So there you go.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean people say that the Internet is
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: dumbing down society. I don't know what they're talking about.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: For me, that's that's you know, first we had Shakespeare.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Now he got millions of viewers for his YouTube channel,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: so I think that was the point.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: That's important.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: The nuggets were in his underwear.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Again, kept them warm.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Oh goss, guys, well sublime to the ridiculous and the
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: very nearly deadly players and a cameraman narrowly avoided being
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: let's just call it what it is, squished into oblivion
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: after an overhead camera fell onto a pitch at a
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: soger game in Europe. Sorry, it's past time. We've got
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: a grab of that. Let's have a look at what happened.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that would have squashed you well and truly dead.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: And I can't you look at that, yeah image, And
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I just ask you imagine if that was a chicken nugget.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: There was a similar incident, seven people injured when a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: camera fell.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: That's right, people, Speaking of strange things in the sky.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: A Chinese rocket has lit up the skies across Queensland
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: and northern New South Wales overnight as it passed over
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: northeast in Australia, and I don't think we're talking about
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: the fun little fireworks that you get under the counter
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: at Chinatown. The University of Sydney Southern Queensland astrophysicist John D.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Hornert said that the Zook two E rocket was launched
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: about six twenty pm from a Chinese satellite launch center
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and was visible over Queensland about twenty minutes later last night,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: and shortly afterwards our entire military infrastructure went down.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Get used to this because there'll be more and more
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: launches of rockets as private companies start.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: To or is the Chinese invaders?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Or is Chinese invade Get used to it?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Get me an eight.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's it from us sticking around. Coming up is the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: read a pedie show. We'll see you again tomorrow night.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Good night,