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New rules for hemp products proposed · Austin Signal

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The state health agency in Texas
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has proposed new rules for hemp
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products.
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Those rules could mean higher fees
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for businesses, more testing for
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products, and it could effectively
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outlaw access to hemp flower.
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What's being proposed and how Texas
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business owners are feeling about
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it. Plus, after Oak
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Wilt claimed a tree in his yard, a
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local artist turned its wood into
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a sonic experience.
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His solo exhibit features wooden
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records and wind instruments.
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We're gonna experience some of those
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sounds for ourselves.
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That's coming up on today's show.
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The Austin Signal is a production
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of KUT News, hosted by
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Jerry Quijano.
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Signal.
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Howdy, and thank you for tuning in.
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This is Austin Signal.
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It's Thursday, the eighth day of
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January. Thank you for including us
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in your day.
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I'm your host, Jerry Keconnell.
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Let's get into today's
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show.
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The Texas Department of State Health
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Services is proposing new rules on
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hemp products.
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The rules include more testing and
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formal recall procedures, as well
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as increasing fees on businesses.
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A public hearing on the proposals is
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set for tomorrow morning at nine.
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Heather Fazio is director of the
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Texas Cannabis Policy Center.
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She's joining us now to talk more
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about the hearing.
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Howdy, Heather.
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Hi there, thanks for having me.
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We're glad to have you here.
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So cannabis and hemp were big topics
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in Texas all of 2025,
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it felt like.
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So why are state regulators meeting
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this early in the new year to
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discuss these new proposed rules?
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Well, last year certainly was a
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rollercoaster for those advocating
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for cannabis policy, whether
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it's medical cannabis through the
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Compassionate Use Program or
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Hemp Policy, which is
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hemp products increasingly popular
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among Texans.
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And last year there was an effort
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to prohibit hemp products
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that included THC.
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Thankfully, that legislation was
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vetoed by Governor Abbott and
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subsequently he issued an executive
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order. Calling for regulatory
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agencies to beef up regulations
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and enforcement.
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These are the rules that we see
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being developed now with the
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hearing happening tomorrow for
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public input from stakeholders.
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So can you tell us what exactly
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is DSHS proposing with
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these rules?
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Since 2019, DSHS
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has been responsible for regulating
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consumable hemp products,
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that's manufacturing and retail
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sales.
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We now see increased regulations
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coming on board, which is a good
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thing. We've been missing things
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like age restrictions,
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recall protocols, and
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tracking adverse effects.
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The regulations that have been put
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forward do just that in
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addition to some changes that may
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have some negative effects on the
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industry.
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Can you speak more on those negative
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effects?
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Well, the biggest, most glaring
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issue that we see are the
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outrageous fees that have been
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proposed.
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We, of course, support fees to cover
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the cost of regulation,
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but $20,000 for
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a retailer per location per
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year is going to price out
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the vast majority of entrepreneurs
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who are operating legitimately and
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with integrity.
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This goes far beyond the
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cost of regulation and seems to be
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punitive in nature.
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This is something that we hope the
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department will reconsider.
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You said that was a $20,000 fee
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for just for operating the business?
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That's correct, that is the
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registration fee for simply
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having a location that
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sells consumable hemp products.
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And I'll add that it's $25,000
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per year for manufacturers.
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These fees are gonna make it cost
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prohibitive for many Texans
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to participate in the hemp market.
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Currently it's 250 dollars
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to become licensed as
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a manufacturer and 150
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dollars to be licensed as a
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retailer.
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Now we understand that those prices
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could come up to help cover the cost
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of increased enforcement of
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regulations. We support that, but
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the costs that they proposed here
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are just too far.
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What would you say to
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opponents, to people who are trying
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to limit this exposure, what would
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you to people that argue these
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numbers aren't arbitrary and that
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there's a reason for them?
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In early 2025, I did an
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open records request for DSHS
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budget when it comes to
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the enforcement of regulations
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for consumable hemp products.
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What I found is the department is
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spending only about a third of what
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they bring in with 70%
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of revenue going right into the
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general fund rather than being
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used explicitly for enforcing
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regulations with hemp products
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I'm concerned that these new numbers
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are punitive in nature,
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trying to deliberately shut down the
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industry rather than simply covering
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the cost of regulation.
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Okay, now I wanted to ask
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specifically about hemp flour.
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Austinites and Texans have access to
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many more gummies and drinks in the
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hemp market these days.
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How would flour be affected by these
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proposed rules?
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I'm so glad that you brought this
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up. This is the second biggest issue
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for us.
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Hemp flour is the most natural form
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of this product that people can use,
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straight from the ground,
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unprocessed, and we know that this
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encompasses 50% of the
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marketplace.
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Texans enjoy these flour products,
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and this is the bud from the flour
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that most people use for
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smoking, or they'll use it for
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cooking and infusing some baked
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goods at home, maybe.
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This again is something that is
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widely enjoyed and consumed by
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Texans legally right now in the
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state. And while the rules
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that are put forward don't
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explicitly ban flour, they
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effectively ban this product
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because what it does is
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calls for a total THC
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testing limit, meaning that
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all of the THC molecules would be
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regulated and restricted in the way
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that Delta-9 THC has been
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restricted since 2019.
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It gets complicated, but the bottom
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line is that there's not going to be
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a market demand for hemp flour
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with such low levels of
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THC.
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It means that consumers are gonna be
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turning to the illicit market to
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find products that they enjoy.
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And of course, we know there are no
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age restrictions there, no product
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safety standards, and certainly no
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consumer protections in place.
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Well last question for you, what are
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you hearing from people in the
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industry here in Texas about how
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the up and down nature of hemp's
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future has been affecting them?
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It's been so difficult to watch
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business owners operating with
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integrity and legitimately in
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an illegal industry going
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this up and down yo-yo of
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emotions all year last year
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and here we are again where
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they're facing the fact that
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they may have to shut their doors.
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They may have close their businesses
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and find a new livelihood
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simply because of arbitrary
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policy changes that are happening.
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Texas entrepreneurs deserve better.
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We're proud to be a pro-business
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state and we should be taking those
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principles into the room here
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when we're talking about hemp to
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ensure public health and safety, of
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course, but also allowing the
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free market to work.
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All right, once again, a public
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hearing on the proposals is set for
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tomorrow morning at nine.
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We're going to have more for you
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following that hearing right here on
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Austin Signal.
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We have been speaking with Heather
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Fazio, Director of the Texas
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Cannabis Policy Center.
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Heather, thank you for your time
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today.
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Thank you.
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And thank you out there for tuning
7:47
in. This is Austin Signal.
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A live oak in Steve Parker's yard
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died last year from oak
7:54
wilt. The tree had been with his
7:56
family for years and Parker was
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surprised by how saddened he was
7:59
when it came down.
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And he was also confronted with a
8:02
question a lot of Austinites have
8:04
faced. What to do with
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all the wood?
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An artist and musician, he arrived
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at a unique answer.
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As KUT's Mose Bouchel reports,
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that answer can be heard and seen in
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his solo exhibit, Funeral for
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a Tree.
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Walk into the show, and one of the
8:23
first things you might hear is this
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scratchy, woody sound.
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It sounds kind of like a branch
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spookily grinding against
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the side of an old farmhouse.
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It's something else.
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There are slices of
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live oak that are now functioning
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both kind of like conceptual
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and literal records.
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This is Steve Parker, the artist
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behind Funeral for a Tree,
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and when he says records, he means
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it.
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Parker has taken cross-sections of
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his old tree, sometimes called wood
8:53
cookies, and found ways to
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play them, like vinyl albums.
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Here by the entrance, smaller sliced
9:00
tree branches, 45s if
9:01
you will, spin on the wall.
9:05
The sounds you hear are twigs and
9:07
metal stylus needles making
9:09
contact.
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And that's getting sent to an
9:11
amplifier and then
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resonates through a
9:15
trumpet bell that's kind of poking
9:17
out of the wall.
9:18
What does this make you think about?
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The passage of time, I think.
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Like when we look at a tree and want
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to look at its life, we look
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the stump because
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it's like this visual
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record.
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Now turned to an actual record
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playing its own.
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All right, what do we have next?
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Well, maybe I should show you this
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one.
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He takes me to another piece,
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an altar of live oak, made
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of branches and an oak desk
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that support the pipes of
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a shung.
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It's a Chinese wind instrument,
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historically made of bamboo, that
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Parker learned about on a recent
9:55
trip to Taiwan.
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And here it's gonna start playing
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right now, actually.
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He plugs it in, and tubes
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bring breath to the instruments
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and fill the space with sound.
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For Parker, it brings to mind the
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shutting down at the end of
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life.
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And also the lungs of the human
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body.
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The Schung and the Live Oak records
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come together in another piece in
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the exhibit, where thick wooden
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disks hang above a wooden
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turntable.
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These albums are far more polished
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and refined than the wood cookies
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near the entrance They're made from
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bigger sections of the dead
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live oak.
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They're encoded just like
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a vinyl record with a
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bird song of different bird species
10:44
that are roosted in the tree's
10:46
branches over its lifetime.
10:48
And those have been interpreted by
10:50
my friend Ji Bo-Yong,
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a shung player from Taiwan.
10:55
There's the Eastern Wood Pee-wee.
11:03
The Purple Martin?
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Again interpreted by Gippo.
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Swainson's Thrush.
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The wood thrush.
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And the yellow-billed cuckoo.
11:23
Now I should say, what you're
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hearing now are not the
11:26
wooden records on the
11:28
wall, but the original recordings
11:31
of Jibo Young.
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The wooden versions are far
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scratchier.
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But I also have another wooden
11:36
record here that's made on, that's
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played on this wooden record player.
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It functions like a old Victrola.
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So it even has like a
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wooden needle for a stylus.
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It's a toothpick.
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And this wooden records plays
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a melody that sort of
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captures in my mind, the essence
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of the exhibition.
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He plays an old folk ballad.
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From the 1920s.
12:05
It's called Bury Me Beneath the
12:07
Willow, performed by Ernest
12:08
Thompson.
12:10
They sound fuzzy because they
12:12
are capturing both the
12:15
imperfections, so to speak, of the
12:16
wood and the different fissures
12:18
and lesions
12:20
that the wood has experienced as it
12:22
died.
12:23
And the life of the
12:25
wood is captured.
12:27
And over time it will actually fade
12:28
a little bit more, just like a
12:30
memory.
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Here's the original vinyl
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version.
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As our tree got sick,
12:43
one thing that was
12:45
noticeable for me and a parent was
12:47
the way that
12:50
emotionally I was tied to the tree
12:52
and how it echoed a
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lot of what I experienced six years
12:56
ago when my dad was really sick with
12:57
cancer.
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And I often think about
13:01
my dad when I'm working in the
13:02
studio, I listen to music that he
13:04
would have listened to, and
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this is just something for me to
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kind of maintain a connection with
13:10
him.
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Funeral for a Tree runs
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through this Saturday at the iVestor
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Contemporary Gallery in East
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Austin.
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In Austin, I'm Mose Bouchelle.
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You can head on over to kut.org
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to take a look at some of these
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records.
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We'll have a link in our show notes
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and you can find more at kut
13:42
dot org slash signal
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and you could find more arts
13:45
coverage, including a list of
13:47
weekend recommendations at
13:49
k ut dot org slash
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art beats.
13:53
This is Austin signal.
13:54
We'll be back in just a moment.
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This is Austin Signal, welcome back.
14:02
Let's take a look back at an Austin
14:04
legend that you might not have heard
14:06
of, LaVeta Durst,
14:08
once known as Dr. Hep
14:10
Cat, who in 1948 became
14:12
one of the first black DJs
14:14
in Texas.
14:15
That was just one of many hats he
14:16
wore in the Austin community.
14:18
Here's Jason Mellard from the Center
14:19
for Texas Music History at Texas
14:21
State University.
14:35
This week in Texas Music History we
14:37
meet a hip Austin DJ whose
14:39
career spans baseball,
14:41
barrel house, and gospel.
14:42
On January 9th, 1913,
14:44
radio personality and musician
14:46
LaVeta Durst, also known as Dr.
14:47
Hepcat, was born in Austin.
14:49
Durst played many roles in the
14:50
community over the years, but it was
14:52
gospel piano that he settled into
14:54
first. By the 1930s he'd
14:56
mastered the secular style of barrel
14:58
house piano, too, and would long be
15:00
associated with local artists of the
15:01
genre like Robert Shaw and the it
15:03
goes.
15:04
In the 1940s, he became the
15:05
announcer for Austin's black
15:07
baseball team, the Senators, calling
15:09
games with a distinctive hip banter.
15:11
Future Governor John Connolly, then
15:13
an up-and-comer in LBJ's circles,
15:15
attended one of those games and told
15:16
his friend and co-owner of KVET
15:18
Radio, J.J.
15:19
Pickle, about the talented
15:20
announcer.
15:21
They gave him an on-air job in 1948,
15:23
one of the very first black DJs in
15:25
Texas.
15:26
A KVet program director also owned
15:28
the record label Uptown, and Durst
15:30
recorded his singles Hattie Green
15:31
and Hep Cat's Boogie in 1949.
15:38
Talented at cross-promotion, Durst
15:39
published a vocabulary of his hip,
15:42
on-air lingo, the jives of Dr.
15:44
Hepcat, to sell to his fans.
15:46
In the 1950s, Durrst also turned
15:47
his attention to gospel songwriting
15:49
and management, mentoring the group
15:51
The Chariots, and writing the
15:52
influential song, Let's Talk About
15:54
Jesus, for the Austin Singers at
15:55
Bells of Joy.
15:57
So Levada Durst was a baseball
15:58
announcer, radio DJ, recording
16:00
artist, songwriter, and gospel
16:01
manager, but that's not all.
16:03
At the same time, he worked at the
16:04
City of Austin as program director
16:06
for the Doris Miller Auditorium.
16:08
Putting on concerts by Duke
16:09
Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald, and Sam
16:11
Cooke. By the late 60s and into
16:13
the 70s though, Durst turned his
16:15
attention increasingly to the
16:16
Baptist Church, giving gospel center
16:18
stage, while occasionally coming out
16:20
of Barrow House retirement to
16:22
perform with the Texas Music Museum
16:23
in Austin, where his piano and book
16:25
of jives reside today.
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That's B-R-A-N-E audio
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dot com.
16:58
When the topic of iconic Austin
17:00
music venues comes up in
17:01
conversation, there are a handful of
17:03
names that make the list where you
17:05
can still hear live music
17:06
this very day.
17:08
One of those was established in 1974
17:10
as a reputation of being on the
17:12
bucket list for musicians from all
17:14
over the world, and it happens to be
17:16
right across the street from us here
17:17
at KUTNKUTX.
17:19
We're talking about hole in the
17:21
wall. And some news here on Austin
17:22
Signal.
17:23
KUTX has partnered up with Hole to
17:25
bring you a new series that merges
17:27
the energies of two Austin music
17:29
institutions.
17:30
And for more about that, we are
17:31
talking with Deidre Gott, assistant
17:33
program director and live music
17:35
booker for KUTx.
17:36
Deidra, thanks for joining the show.
17:37
Hey, thanks for having me!
17:39
Well, we're really excited to hear
17:40
about this new series.
17:41
Tell us a little bit about it.
17:43
Does it have a name?
17:44
It is the whole story.
17:46
Mmm, nice, I love it.
17:47
And the idea is behind like
17:49
kind of think like VH1 Storytellers
17:51
meets MTV Unplugged.
17:54
Oh wow, like VH1 behind the music,
17:56
that kind of thing?
17:57
Yeah. Well, so I mean,
17:59
like it's, it's more of a
18:00
storyteller series, you know, like
18:02
they'll play, they play four songs
18:04
and then they also talk
18:06
either about like what influenced
18:07
them or,
18:10
you know.
18:11
Shiny Ribs did a whole like, here's
18:13
my, here is my life story.
18:15
Just off, off the cuff.
18:17
He's amazing.
18:17
So there's a lot of great stories, a
18:19
lot insight to songwriting and
18:22
and songs that you've heard a lot on
18:24
KUTX. We get to hear like what
18:25
they're about.
18:26
And yeah, I
18:28
think it's gonna be cool, I hope.
18:29
It seems like a natural
18:31
synergy between the two.
18:33
I mean, they are literally there.
18:35
They are feet from us here at the
18:36
hole in the wall.
18:37
What brought this partnership about?
18:39
Um, well, you know, you sit in
18:41
the, uh, studio, the control room
18:43
and right across the street, we get
18:44
to see Hole in the Wall every single
18:47
day, right?
18:48
Um, and you know we just
18:49
wanted to partner with them because
18:51
that front stage is
18:53
iconic, you, know, over 50
18:55
years. I mean, there's so many
18:56
amazing stories from the Hole in the
18:57
Wall back in the crazy days.
18:59
Um, you now, Lucinda
19:01
Williams has played there or, or
19:04
was told she can't play there
19:05
because they already had a woman,
19:07
that's a good story.
19:08
Um, you know, Blaze fully played
19:09
there a lot.
19:10
Spoon, uh, when they were going to
19:12
UT, that was the, the place that
19:14
they played the most, getting all
19:15
their practice and show time in.
19:17
Uh, Fastball, Gary Clark Jr.
19:19
Shiny Ribs, um, or the Gord's,
19:21
uh.
19:23
Uh, a bit about Shakey Graves.
19:24
I mean, just the list goes on.
19:25
Yeah, the real murderers row, yeah.
19:26
Yeah. It's an awesome stage.
19:28
So we wanted to do something
19:30
and kind of like honor that
19:31
front stage, which has
19:33
not been changed since it was built.
19:36
Uh, the owners, there's been several
19:37
owners of Hole in the Wall, but they
19:39
always say they are not allowed to
19:41
change that front room or people
19:42
would get mad. It will be cursed.
19:44
It has to stay exactly the
19:46
same, including the bathrooms.
19:49
So it has to stay.
19:50
It's like that for a reason.
19:53
One of the reasons why I mentioned
19:54
the Hole in the Wall stage being on
19:56
the bucket list for many musicians,
19:58
local and international, is because
19:59
at one of the tapings an artist,
20:01
Jade Bird, she's from the
20:03
UK, they said just that.
20:05
I gotta guess that wasn't the first
20:06
time that you heard that from one of
20:07
the artists performing on stage,
20:09
right? Like I've been dying to get
20:10
up here.
20:10
I mean, most of the people that we
20:12
invited this time have played
20:14
before, but Jade Bird
20:16
Haddon, Grace Sorensen,
20:18
who's an R&B singer, she had
20:20
never played there and she was
20:21
honored to be there.
20:23
So yeah, I mean it is a pretty
20:25
iconic special stage
20:27
with all of these like amazing
20:29
artists that have stood on that
20:30
stage and played.
20:32
Yeah, you mentioned Shiny Ribs,
20:34
that Shiny Rib's episode is coming
20:35
out shortly.
20:36
We want to play a snippet of a voice
20:38
memo that he sent you that kind of
20:39
lets listeners know just what
20:41
they're in for with this series.
20:46
Okay, we are
20:48
thinking back on
20:51
memories from the Hole in the Wall.
20:55
As best as I can
20:57
remember after
20:59
discussing this with my old
21:00
bandmates from the Picket Line
21:02
Coyotes,
21:04
we first
21:06
played Hole in The Wall,
21:09
I think it was South by Southwest,
21:11
1990.
21:13
I love the energy
21:15
That crack of the can, you know,
21:17
nothing beats that. Oh, nothing beats that.
21:18
Kevin Russell is awesome.
21:19
But I have to say, late breaking
21:21
news, after he sent that memory,
21:24
he was like, the first time was 1988
21:27
at South By.
21:28
So I had to correct that.
21:30
He made sure I got that
21:32
text message.
21:33
Yeah, it was an
21:35
awesome story that he sent
21:36
me a rambling on voicemail.
21:38
So I'm gonna include that in the
21:39
broadcast version.
21:41
And then when he was in a hole
21:43
in the wall taping back in
21:45
May. Uh, just took us on an
21:47
incredible journey of storytelling.
21:49
Yeah, okay, so we mentioned Shiny
21:50
Ribs, Grace Sorensen, who else
21:52
is going to be featured in this
21:53
first season?
21:54
Yeah, we've got Alex Maas from the
21:56
Black Angels, Hayes Carl,
21:58
Cary Fessel who is in Bruce
22:00
and Kaliope musicals,
22:03
and Paige Renee Berry of Half Dream,
22:05
oh and Jonathan Terrell as well.
22:07
Nice.
22:07
Nice nice.
22:08
Well, I think the whole series I'm
22:10
sorry The whole story has
22:12
achieved something that's something
22:14
we struggle to do in journalism
22:15
Which is actually putting something
22:16
out once it's actually finished
22:18
You've done a bunch of these already
22:19
and you're ahead of the game.
22:21
So now that you've completed this
22:22
first run of shows What do you
22:24
what do you think about them?
22:25
Do you feel like you kind of
22:26
achieved the the what Kevin Russell
22:28
was talking about the crack of the
22:29
can going back to the days of 1988
22:32
Yeah, I think it was
22:34
such a cool taping to do and
22:36
people we had like a really
22:38
small audience of concert club
22:39
members was only like 50 people when
22:41
we taped each of these and I
22:43
mean, they keep asking me when I'm
22:45
going to do more taping.
22:46
It takes a lot the back end
22:48
takes a lot.
22:49
The taping is real fun and it takes
22:51
a lot of work, but hopefully we'll
22:53
do another season, but it kicks
22:55
off January 16,
22:57
we'll put them up.
22:58
We put an episode up on YouTube
23:00
every Friday and starting the 20th,
23:03
it will air every Tuesday at
23:05
10 PM on KUTX.
23:08
Excellent. We are definitely looking
23:09
forward to it. You mentioned being
23:11
across from the hole in the wall We
23:12
get to see lots of people going into
23:14
shows late at night But it was
23:16
always cool when these productions
23:17
were going on it'd be like two or
23:18
three in the afternoon Tons of
23:20
people packing into the hole on the
23:21
wall. So we're really excited to
23:22
check out the entire series again
23:24
It's gonna be over at kutx.org.
23:27
We've been speaking with Deidre
23:29
Gott from kut x We'll have
23:30
a link to the series in the show
23:32
notes and over at KUT.org
23:34
slash signal Deidra Thanks for
23:36
talking with us
23:36
Aw, thanks for having me, Jerry.
23:38
And thank you out there for tuning
23:40
in. That is it for today's show.
23:42
You can find more from us at kut.org
23:45
slash signal.
23:47
Kristen Cabrera is our managing
23:48
producer and Rayna Sevilla is our
23:50
technical director.
23:51
I'm your host, Jerry Quijano.
23:53
We will talk to you manana.