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Why Gen Z Chooses Socialism, The Starter Home Crisis and AI Guardrails (Chad Law) · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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  welcome back to another world of blaze another guest another great guest i have the wonderful
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  chad law let me read a little bit about chad law for everybody chad law is the author of the
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  common sense trilogy host of common sense with chad law independent political commentary podcast
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  now he's known for challenging narratives from both sides uh chad refuses to let party politics
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  or loyalty substitute for independent thought,
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  which is great, kind of like what we do.
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  Chad is a gay independent.
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  So I wasn't going to say conservative,
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  but after talking to him a little earlier,
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  it seems like he's kind of like I am
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  and most people right now,
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  they're kind of in the middle.
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  So we're going to have an interesting conversation.
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  But he does reject the idea
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  that identity should dictate ideology.
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  And he writes and broadcasts
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  for millions of Americans
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  who don't fit neatly into the political camp.
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  So through his writings,
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  Chad examines how Americans lost the freedom to question, the power to choose, and their seat at the table.
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  At the heart of his work is Chad's belief that politics should be a tool, not an identity.
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  Completely agree with that.
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  And with that being said, let's bring Chad into the conversation.
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  And here is Mr. Chad Law.
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  How are you doing, Chad?
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  I'm great.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  This is awesome.
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  I love your show.
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  I appreciate you saying that, considering the success you're having.
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  So that's good.
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  Nah, you're doing great.
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  Chad, you've written three books.
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  I think, let me see.
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  Is this your recent one?
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  Was it The Cost of Certainty?
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  Is that your most recent?
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  Yeah.
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  The three of them,
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  all three of them were actually launched
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  on July 1st of this,
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  I'm sorry, July 4th of this year, 2026.
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  So they weren't purposely made as a trilogy.
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  They just kind of all wrapped at the same time
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  and they kind of one leads to the other.
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  So we decided to bundle it up that way.
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  Nice.
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  So it was great for the readers.
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  They can just go one to the other and kind of just keep the flow of everything.
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  And, you know, towards the end, we're going to get to that.
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  I'll actually put those up on screen so people can see where they can purchase them and whatnot.
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  But what I want to do is before we move forward, Chad, we're going to have, I think you and
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  are going to have a great conversation as you tend to comment on current events, news,
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  et cetera.
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  I saw your latest episode, by the way, and we're talking about economy, DSA, and socialism,
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  which is pretty much what we're probably going to be talking about since it seems like that's
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  the only thing on anyone's mind these days because it kind of is a problem. But maybe after watching
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  your episodes, you were pitching the idea that, well, maybe we're looking at the wrong way and
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  we're just not going about it the right way in terms of solutions. And so before we get there,
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  though, do you want to add anything as far as your journey into becoming a political commentary
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  podcaster? Because I always find these things interesting and how you get there. Because I
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  know my story, but I want to hear how you got here. Yeah. I grew up in the backseat of my dad's
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  car listening to Rush Limbaugh and John and Ken and Mark Levin and all those guys. And so it's
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  always been sort of in the back of my head my whole life, but it's always been a side passion.
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  It's never... Politics has never been my career. I actually went... I was a hairdresser. I did hair
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  for a while and then I got recruited by L'Oreal. I joined their team and I did education and
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  marketing and sales. I moved to P&G. And then I started my own beauty marketing agency and sold
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  it about four years ago. And after that, I thought, well, politics has always been a passion of mine
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  and things are really heated right now. I might as well just do a show for my friends and family.
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  I bought a little mic and ended up... I think it was maybe my 10th episode I did. I did an episode
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  on Julian Assange and somebody shared it with Julian's wife. And then she shared it. And then
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  And I got shared several thousand times.
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  And it very quickly became a new career for me.
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  And so we've been learning.
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  I think a lot of people go through the same thing.
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  It's very difficult to talk this way to no one.
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  And for a long time, you're kind of speaking into the abyss.
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  So I would be really excited and do a bunch of episodes.
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  And then I'd be like, well, I'm really retired.
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  I don't care.
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  Let's go to Europe for three months and drop it.
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  And so this last nine months, this last year with the books coming has really been my decision to make this full-time, fully fund this, make this a media company and take it seriously.
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  But I've been playing around with it for the last two and a half, three years.
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  And it's been a lot of fun, but something I never imagined actually be a career.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's a hard thing to make a career, quite honestly.
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  So why political commentary?
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  though like what was the spark what what made you want to discuss these current events in politics
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  in general so you know i love that you said the independent conservative thing i've always called
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  myself the last gay conservative and when i say that i the last gay constitutional conservative
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  and the catalyst for me uh was really we've always had one or two sort of gay conservatives
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  dave rubin has kind of been the leader of the gay conservative movement for a long time and
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  And in 2016 is where it really started happening.
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  2020 was kind of the peak.
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  But a gentleman by the name of Milo Yiannopoulos came on the scene.
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  And very much an instigator, very much an...
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  I, unfortunately, as much as I appreciate his writing and his editing at Breitbart,
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  he was a brilliant writer.
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  Once he started doing campus tours and stuff, I really don't like that approach.
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  I'm a big believer in, yes, we have a mission, but we should always examine our method.
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  And I felt like he was misrepresenting gay conservatives.
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  And we had done such a...
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  Gay independence and gay conservatives through Log Cabin and other organizations, we've done
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  such a good job of recruiting young people, getting older conservative parents to understand
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  that just because your son comes out as gay, your daughter comes out as gay, doesn't mean
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  they can't live a conservative life or a life with great values.
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  And all this work was kind of getting, in my opinion, again, only my perception, hijacked by all of this instigation and very sort of noisy, non-informative performance politics.
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  Yeah.
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  Teaching people.
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  Yeah.
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  And so I said, I got to start a show.
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  Someone has to step up as a gay representative and say, this isn't the real deal.
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  This guy's doing this for clicks to be salacious.
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  and the mission has always been to try to teach young gay people that their sexuality doesn't
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  have to determine their political ideology or their politics at all.
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  Actually, that I really respect because I think a lot of people try to get into what we're doing
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  or any kind of content creation just to be famous, and they chase the clicks, right?
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  they're not thinking about the integrity
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  of the message that they're trying to
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  get out there into the world
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  they just want to be famous
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  they're just trying to be provocateurs
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  and they're trying to do whatever it is
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  to get eyeballs even if that's jumping up
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  and down and clapping like
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  a rabid raccoon or something
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  it doesn't matter and it's interesting
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  you brought up Milo because
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  I didn't get it either
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  it has nothing to do with his sexuality for me
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  it was just like he was supposed to be
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  like this leading conservative political influencer.
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  And I see what he's doing.
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  And he seems more like just an antagonist,
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  just trying to stir the pot.
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  But to what end?
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  And now we have him converting to Islam in the UK.
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  So I don't know what's going on with the guy.
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  None of it makes sense.
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  I love that he got deported.
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  It was awesome.
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  Laura Loomer tweeted ICE and he got deported in New Orleans.
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  Not to make it about Milo, but again,
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  he was really the person that I thought,
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  if we let this go, luckily, like a lot of these salacious people, he ended up stepping on his own
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  feet and getting himself kicked off of the full circuit through his own mouth. But at the time,
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  when he was really gaining popularity, I was like, someone needs a counter, I need to be a
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  counter-revolutionary to this movement. Because again, sure, he's getting all kinds of press,
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  this gay conservative, he's married to a black guy, this and that. But no one was looking back
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  and saying, okay, he did this college, but how many minds was he closing at the same time as he
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  was just rawing people that already agreed with him. He wasn't pushing the needle for our movement
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  at all. He wasn't making an impact. He was getting clicks. And that's why I started what I do.
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  Good. We need more balanced conservatives, regardless of gay or straight. It doesn't
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  matter. We just need more balanced conservatives who care about what they're actually saying.
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  And the way I look at it, we need more people to call others out on their shit,
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  not for the sake of just being that person, but if it's wrong, it's wrong. And we need people
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  to correct those things.
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  So good for you for standing up and doing that.
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  Kind of my motivation for getting into this as well.
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  So I think there's some parallels there,
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  which is awesome.
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  All right, let's get to America.
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  I always say if my principle doesn't apply to my own time...
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  I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
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  I just always say if your principle doesn't work,
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  if your principle only works
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  when it's with people you agree with,
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  then it's not a principle, it's a mood, it's a vibe.
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  Yeah, it's a vibe and you're just yelling
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  into an echo chamber.
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  Right.
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  That's it.
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  All right. So let's talk about America. Let's circle back to what we kind of discussed in the beginning without getting deep, which is I'm going to start with socialism in the DSA.
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  The reason is because I heard a couple of episodes, heard your latest, and I got halfway through it, but I did hear where you brought this up.
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  And I recently discussed this, by the way.
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  So I think you and I might have some contrasting viewpoints on this, but that's okay with me because let's have this discussion.
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  I think that currently, from what I heard from you, is that the reason the youth, not just the youth, but also the same millennials, etc.,
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  The reason a lot of them are adopting or looking at socialism as another option is because the systems in place just haven't been proven to be working as of late, especially since the pandemic.
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  It all seemed to just collapse.
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  And what they were told was something that was safe.
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  And if you did what you're supposed to do, you would end up out the other side being successful.
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  You got the house, the family, whatever it is, the dog, the picket fence.
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  And that's not happening for people.
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  that combined with student debt and many people going to college because they're told,
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  hey, you get the degree, you get the job, but now everybody has a degree.
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  So you're just another number at this point.
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  There's no advantage.
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  So with all that, I do want to discuss how you view this outside of what I just said.
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  Can you expand on this?
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  Can you expand on why it is that the youth are adopting this?
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  Let's start there.
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  Well, I think that all of us, generation from generation,
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  if you go from like back to the greatest generation,
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  we've had these three promises
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  that have consistently been told to us,
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  which is you graduate high school,
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  you go to college, you get a degree,
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  you save 10% of your paycheck,
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  you put it down on a house as soon as you can,
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  your house is your retirement.
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  That's just kind of the formula that has worked.
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  We've seen it, it worked for our parents, et cetera.
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  And then all this other stuff started happening
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  in the background that affected all of these markets
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  that people don't know is happening.
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  a lot of vertical integration, a lot of monopolies, a lot of what I call regulatory
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  moats happening, utilizing our thirst for bureaucracy against us to keep competitors
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  out from coming in to lower prices. And they've mistakenly been taught or come to understand
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  that this is a result of capitalism. And so human nature, when something's not working,
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  when there's a lot of pressure, you're just going to start pulling different levers, right?
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  And the lever that they're pulling is this socialist lever.
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  And my point is that what they're mad about isn't capitalism.
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  These markets that have affected and created the conditions that are pushing the drift towards socialism is not the opposite.
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  It is actually socialism.
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  It's central planning with a bunch of people saying, oh, look, this is free enterprise.
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  But it's not.
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  And so that is the first step.
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  I think understanding that many of these democratic socialists' diagnoses are correct.
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  Housing has outrun wages three to one.
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  People are locked out of certain markets.
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  None of these major corporations or major monopolies are competing for us anymore in food and insurance and medicine and in the markets that we don't have any choice of whether we want to participate in.
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  So I think the first step is understanding that what they're diagnosing is largely a reality.
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  And so a lot of people going up there and saying oh these people are just buying Starbucks or they living large off DoorDash or whatever I think that the first misstep that we making on the counterbalance to democratic socialism is that these young people perception is their reality It the
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  first thing they teach you in sales. The customer perception is their reality, whether it's true or
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  not. So their reality is their reality. The system is rigged against them. There's all these monopolies.
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  And so then we have to start peeling back the onion and saying, okay, but what's caused that
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  reality. And when you really look at it, it's socialism that caused it. And adding more
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  socialism is only going to make it worse. Okay. I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of that,
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  to be honest. Because if we're talking about capitalism as it is, we haven't been practicing
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  true capitalism. Because if we were, we would have let the auto industry fail, for one. We
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  wouldn't have propped that up. We wouldn't have propped up big banks that were literally failing,
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  but government also did that.
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  And we wouldn't just keep printing money
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  for the sake of printing it.
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  So those are three things that kept happening.
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  And the housing industry,
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  since the collapse that was back in 2008,
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  that's what triggered the trajectory we've been on
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  between the relationship of high interest rates
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  and high home prices,
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  but that didn't come into fruition
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  until very much the pandemic when that happened.
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  All of a sudden you had two things
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  that couldn't exist for affordability,
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  high interest rates on loans,
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  as well as high costs of houses,
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  which is ridiculous.
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  Usually one has to back off either the cost of the house goes down or the interest rates to absorb that.
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  And I bring that up because a lot of people say, well, you're a boomer grandfather.
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  You boomers don't understand because you bought a house for $100,000.
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  It's like, yeah, but their interest rates were like 10% or whatever.
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  We got spoiled with the 1% and 2% and 3%.
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  That's for sure.
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  Right, right.
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  And then here we are now and it's like we're at six or seven.
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  I don't know what it is now, six or seven.
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  It's still up there.
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  And then we have a median home price of $375,000, I think, something like that.
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  I think it's somewhere around there.
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  Which 26% of that is just bureaucratic red tape.
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  That's what most people don't understand is that in 2019, if you were to build a new house
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  from scratch, the average house just in the middle of America, 2019, just before you pour
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  any concrete, just permits, power hookups, sewage, that was about $90,000.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Now it's $138,000.
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  So it's gone up in a matter of six years, almost 30%.
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  And the trend line is scarier.
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  I mean, so our obsession with what this crunch that we're talking about housing in particular,
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  people are feeling, to your point, high interest rates, restrictive zoning laws.
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  We've completely outlawed the starter home.
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  I mean, to your point, people talk about the boomer.
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  These boomers didn't buy $100,000 with a wine fridge and a mudroom.
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  My parents bought a house with pink walls, blue carpet, 1,400 square feet, and they fixed one
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  thing every year and then used the equity to put us through college. So I really reject this whole
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  concept that boomers had it easy. Now, on the flip side of that, the math is the math. The wages
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  in the time that that trend line went up, just the bureaucratic red tape on a new house,
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  the cost went up 30%. Wages have gone up, what, nine, maybe 10, depending on the statistic that
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  you look at. So inflation and the cost of housing is running three to one to wages. So that is a
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  formulaic misstep, totally. But on the flip side, we also got to get a little realistic. People say,
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  well, we have a housing crisis. We have a housing shortage, a housing shortage. No,
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  we don't have a housing shortage. We have a starter home shortage.
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  That's the problem. We've completely banned the two-bedroom, one-bath, little crappy house on a
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  small little lot that people could build and make better and better little by little.
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  And then during the pandemic, the great migration into the Sun Belt from blue states like California, Illinois, all they did was build expensive over $500,000 tract homes with HOAs and pools.
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  And so we have all of this empty stuff at the high end and no inventory at the bottom for people to start with.
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  Right.
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  Well, and that bottom is supposedly a studio apartment or a rental home if you can get into it.
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  And then the rental home costs as much or more than a mortgage these days.
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  and the reason the young kid can't get the home to buy it
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  is because they don't have enough established credit
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  and they just started their career
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  and now they're trapped into being a renter the rest of their life.
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  Now, that being said, some people like renting.
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  They don't want the responsibility of the upkeep of the house
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  and that's understandable.
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  But being able to be pushed into a system
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  that has been created to be disadvantageous to all of us,
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  by the way, no matter where you are in your life right now,
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  I mean, I'm not in a position to just go drop $700,000 to $800,000
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  on a house right now or a million, whatever it is. I'm just not. I'm just ebbs and flows, right?
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  In California, that's a mobile home. Yeah. Well, I live in California.
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  Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. 800 grand, you're at the starter.
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  Yeah, pretty much. And so it's like, you're right. There's no way to jumpstart your life
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  anymore. It's either you're going to have to struggle at the low end the rest of your life
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  and really fight to get out of it,
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  or you're going to need a nudge from somebody,
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  a leg up somehow.
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  And a lot of times that is how it is,
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  as in inheritance or whatever happened to be left to you.
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  And you got lucky enough to get that
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  and you were wise enough to invest that into a property.
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  But outside of that, it's not easy
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  because going back to what I said about getting a degree,
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  the push has been there.
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  Even when I was in school,
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  the push was always like,
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  you go to college, you get your degree,
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  you can get a decent job.
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  Great.
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  But as I said earlier,
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  everyone has to have a degree, even to just knock on a door to be an admin, secretary, whatever.
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  You need a degree just to be seen. So now everybody has one. So there's no advantage anymore.
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  So now we're back to nepotism and friendship, I guess. It's all about connections like it used
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  to be, right? You got to be a real salesman and sell yourself. So kids are coming out or students
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  are coming out with all this debt, like you said, and they have no way to get ahead of it because,
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  Because as you said, your cost is three times most people's wages these days.
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  Before it wasn't like that.
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  So you can't even raise a family unless you have what?
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  Two incomes?
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  Three?
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  Four?
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  I don't know.
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  Very, very, very, very strange on what we're going to do and what we're going to offer.
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  And then so there was also the idea of floating around of universal income.
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  Not sure how that would ever work, but that kind of like was a thing for a moment and then
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  kind of fell off the table.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, so.
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  Democrats love to test these outrageous things and see how well they trend and then pull them back, like the Green New Deal.
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  You watch the progressives do it, which at this point, things like that, universal income, the Green New Deal, it's so far-fetched.
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  I just want us to stop passing laws and regulations that lock people out of certain markets, like housing, like we're seeing with housing, like we're seeing with food.
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  I don't think we need some grand revolution.
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  I think we just need to peel back some of the layers.
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  So let's go deeper then.
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  Let's talk about the housing shortage.
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  Do we really have a shortage?
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  No.
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  You said that we have a starter home shortage.
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  Now, what dictates a housing shortage?
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  Is it just affordability or physical inventory?
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  And if we combine that with the amount of people that has immigrated or even people who were birthed, born, it seems like the population is just outpacing the resources.
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  So now we have the other discussion.
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  At what point do we realize that maybe we don't have enough resources to keep up with the amount of people?
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  and we have to start actually regulating that sensibly.
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  Not saying kill people, by the way.
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  I hope no one heard that.
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  But what I am saying is it's okay to say no
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  to more people coming in.
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  It's okay.
• 20:35
  And even when we're talking on the national level,
• 20:37
  and I had this discussion with the guest currently,
• 20:40
  and we're talking about New York and Manhattan.
• 20:41
  And I was like, well, at some point,
• 20:44
  when does Manhattan, for example, or New York City,
• 20:46
  I mean, when do they just say,
• 20:47
  we can't take any more people?
• 20:48
  I mean, they have nowhere else to build.
• 20:50
  I mean, they built up, they built up,
• 20:51
  out they're done and so they're done at what point can a city legally say we've kind of reached our
• 20:58
  population cap we can no longer support any more people due to resources so the resources are a
• 21:05
  problem i think as well uh regulation red tape like is in california especially because you and
• 21:09
  i both in california it's it's like yeah that's an issue for sure right um you know even if you
• 21:15
  want to get a piece of land it's going to cost you 30 to 60 thousand dollars just to connect your
• 21:18
  utilities from the street to your slab. So there's that. But again, running up against it,
• 21:26
  what policies are in place you think currently that are prohibiting people from moving forward
• 21:32
  in America today? Well, I think that there's two big ones that we could fix tomorrow. First of all,
• 21:39
  the capital gains that was passed in the late 90s, 250,000, 500,000 is forcing a lot of old
• 21:46
  people to stay in their house or to die in their house because they're sitting on more than that
• 21:51
  in equity and we never pegged the capital gains to inflation. So if we could just get the capital
• 21:57
  gains up, double it from 500 to a million, I think a lot more people would be willing to downsize
• 22:03
  and not give away that money to the government. So at this point, it's cheaper for boomers to just
• 22:08
  stay in their big old houses than it is to try to find something else. That's the first thing that
• 22:12
  needs to change. And everyone's saying, oh, these boomers are just sitting there in their big houses
• 22:17
  and they're not downsizing. Well, if you look at my parents in California, my parents live outside
• 22:21
  of Pismo Beach. I grew up in Santa Barbara. Downsizing for them, I mean, they were in a
• 22:26
  three-bedroom, two-bedroom, three-bed, two-bath house. Downsizing for them is a mobile home.
• 22:31
  And most of the mobile home parks have been vertically integrated as well. The lot rent,
• 22:34
  you're getting nothing for it. You have no equity. So there's nowhere for a lot of these people to go
• 22:39
  in these markets. So that's another thing. But capital gains is the first thing. And the second
• 22:43
  thing is that we have got to dispel this notion that your house is your retirement. You cannot
• 22:50
  actively pass policies out of the same mouth that guarantee appreciation of one asset,
• 22:58
  and then on the other side of your mouth say you're working on affordability to lower the
• 23:04
  cost of housing. You can't do both. One is not true. So we've spent the last 40 years telling
• 23:11
  people your house is your retirement, passing every possible law. And I call it a death by
• 23:17
  a thousand paper cuts because everyone on their own is reasonable. And we pass all these laws,
• 23:22
  one at a time, and then they've compounded now and sealed people out of the market.
• 23:27
  And I think that we have to, as a country, realize that a house is an asset that's going to go up and
• 23:33
  down like everything else. It can't be a guaranteed vehicle for retirement if we don't
• 23:40
  want to lock out the generation coming in behind. And that's what we're seeing.
• 23:46
  I see that. And good point about you saying that most people were taught that the house is their
• 23:53
  retirement. At one point, that may have been the truth. So this also leads to a lack of education
• 24:00
  where the system further fails people,
• 24:02
  fails the youth.
• 24:03
  Because today,
• 24:05
  and I do a lot of business with schools, by the way,
• 24:07
  I mean out of school districts.
• 24:08
  I don't know of any school district,
• 24:11
  to my knowledge anyway,
• 24:12
  I might be wrong,
• 24:13
  where they're actually teaching a curriculum
• 24:14
  that involves finance and planning and retirement,
• 24:18
  any of that.
• 24:19
  That combined with,
• 24:21
  we're in a new age of work right now
• 24:27
  where it's like all pensions have been pulled.
• 24:30
  now you're, you're, you're reliant on a 401k possibly if, if they offer it.
• 24:34
  Well, I think here in California, you have to have retirement now.
• 24:36
  So you either the employer has to actually give you a 401k or the state will do their
• 24:41
  own version of one for you.
• 24:42
  And that, which is scary to me, California handling your retirement money.
• 24:45
  But anyway, so with that, it's like, now you're further reliant on the market.
• 24:52
  So now you really can't, you really can't guarantee yourself a retirement.
• 24:57
  So let's say based on the market, you get three, 400,000.
• 24:59
  And maybe you're lucky you get six to seven.
• 25:01
  Now divide that by, let's say you have another 30, 40, 50 years to live.
• 25:05
  And that's all you have.
• 25:07
  The number starts to not really look so good anymore.
• 25:10
  So I think we also failed the youth.
• 25:13
  I think we also failed my generation.
• 25:14
  I'm a Gen Xer to a degree on the back end.
• 25:17
  And then definitely when the millennials came around, they were definitely failed or the system failed them because those very important lessons were never taught anymore.
• 25:26
  They were just kind of stripped away as being not important.
• 25:29
  And they also took away trade schools and the ability for people to work with their hands and figure things out.
• 25:34
  Entrepreneurism was pushed.
• 25:36
  But now, if you're an entrepreneur like I am, for example, and you don't have a degree, you're looked down upon.
• 25:41
  And as someone who's not worth the cost of entry for a career in a big corporation, even though you may have 30 years of experience doing exactly what it is they're hiring for.
• 25:50
  So we are in a weird place right now.
• 25:53
  And I can see the frustration of the youth.
• 25:55
  Now going back to education I heard you make the argument that well maybe it not enough that we can study communism and socialism It very well documented and how it failed If we can look at Argentina Venezuela it definitely examples But even that you say may not be enough
• 26:10
  Maybe we're looking at that the wrong way because, I mean, there's a lot of videos.
• 26:14
  The youth can see it. So here's the question. What do we need to do to help educate people
• 26:21
  in the fact that the path that they're trying to take with adopting socialism,
• 26:25
  because it does look shiny.
• 26:27
  Everyone gets one, right?
• 26:28
  Everyone gets a little bit of
• 26:29
  little money for you,
• 26:30
  a little for me, everything.
• 26:31
  But what they don't see
• 26:32
  is they're further creating the gap.
• 26:34
  And now you're just going to have the rulers
• 26:36
  and you're going to have
• 26:37
  the people that they stand upon.
• 26:39
  You're going to be the workers
• 26:40
  and there's going to be the ruling elite
• 26:41
  and that's it.
• 26:42
  There's not going to be any middle class anymore.
• 26:44
  So what are we going to have to do
• 26:45
  to help educate those
• 26:47
  who feel that socialism is their only choice
• 26:50
  and that's why they need to run there
• 26:51
  and destroy capitalism?
• 26:54
  I think the most important thing
• 26:55
  that has gone missing is just simple economic cause and effect. Teaching kids that when one
• 27:02
  lever is pulled, what happens downstream of that? And I think it's very, very important that you
• 27:08
  teach that through a bottom-up system instead of a top-down system. Everyone has become obsessed
• 27:15
  with, I always say, the people, places, and things that have no control over the people,
• 27:20
  places, and things around them that are actually going to make their life better.
• 27:23
  They focus on Trump. They focus on Congress. They focus on the Supreme Court. When your county
• 27:28
  commission has way more power over whether you're going to have a good day tomorrow or not than those
• 27:33
  people do there. But understanding and teaching cause and effect, and I think it's something that's
• 27:38
  largely been lost, where all the responsibility has been given to politicians or media or news,
• 27:48
  journalism, etc. And people are no longer conceptualizing how one individual change
• 27:57
  can again domino through what we're seeing today. And I think the first thing that we have to do,
• 28:02
  again, is teach the cause and effect and show people that there really is no villain.
• 28:10
  Everyone's looking for a villain. Everyone's looking for a smoking room of people that are
• 28:14
  pulling the strings. This is not that. This is people making reasonable decisions and not
• 28:19
  understanding that these reasonable decisions in a matter of time will cost us a lot more than if
• 28:25
  we didn't do it. That's what I write about in The Cost of Certainty. And we're talking about
• 28:28
  education. One of the chapters in The Cost of Certainty is called, We Were Certain We Knew
• 28:32
  What Success Looks Like. And it's all about this concept of you go to high school, you go to college,
• 28:38
  and now all these blue collar careers are empty. They're struggling. They need people.
• 28:43
  and all these people that even have,
• 28:44
  we're told computer science degrees
• 28:46
  were the best degrees.
• 28:47
  That's completely flipped on its head now.
• 28:50
  Fine arts majors are more likely to get jobs
• 28:52
  than computer science majors are now.
• 28:54
  So again, every time we're certain about something,
• 28:58
  it always ends up costing us
• 29:00
  because the amount of certainty
• 29:01
  that they have at that point
• 29:02
  might not translate in 40 years.
• 29:04
  And that's the weird system.
• 29:06
  What we're living in right now
• 29:07
  is the result of all of this certainty about things
• 29:11
  and no one being assigned to go back and check if it's still working.
• 29:15
  But teaching kids that these actions, when you pull one lever,
• 29:19
  there's no such thing as one lever in any democratic or capitalist
• 29:24
  or even socialist nation or civilization.
• 29:27
  There's always an effect to the cause.
• 29:30
  And teaching them how to think a little bit better that way,
• 29:32
  I think would make all the difference.
• 29:33
  I know it sounds simple, but to me, that's just the missing piece.
• 29:37
  No, what you're highlighting is the failure to adapt with change is what it is.
• 29:42
  Yes.
• 29:42
  They taught the system, but they didn't check in on the system.
• 29:45
  They just kept letting it run rampant.
• 29:47
  Exactly.
• 29:49
  They put value in the wrong things.
• 29:50
  At the time, it seemed correct, right?
• 29:52
  You were talking about computer science, for example.
• 29:54
  Everyone thought that was the only thing that was going to matter.
• 29:57
  And then when we're talking about blue-collar jobs, you're right.
• 30:00
  They're having a harder time finding people, not just people, but reliable people who care.
• 30:04
  Reliable people who care.
• 30:06
  Sorry, love that.
• 30:07
  who care about actually doing the job.
• 30:09
  But then society didn't put value on those particular trades either.
• 30:14
  I mean, who wants to bust their ass for 40K a year?
• 30:18
  Nobody.
• 30:19
  You can make money, don't get me wrong,
• 30:21
  but it takes a long time, a lot of hard work.
• 30:23
  By the time you're there, your body's already broken up
• 30:25
  and you don't want to deal with it anymore.
• 30:28
  And I think a big part of this, in my opinion,
• 30:31
  is that we've dealt with for a long time.
• 30:34
  Now, I'm not talking about Biden time.
• 30:36
  I'm talking about 80s, even post-Reagan, with illegal immigration that's watered down the blue-collar wage market so much that I always tell people, it's not...
• 30:46
  I really dispel this concept where people say, well, no American wants to clean a toilet.
• 30:51
  No American wants to pick strawberries.
• 30:53
  They're not for $5 an hour.
• 30:55
  They don't, but they will for $20 an hour and benefits and what they need.
• 30:59
  So again, we've dealt with this really topsy-turvy labor market that's been infected and the blue-collar side.
• 31:07
  So not only did we devalue them as a society, but we devalued them by saying,
• 31:12
  oh, there's people in third world countries that will handle this work that you shouldn't have to or that you're too good for.
• 31:18
  That's really injured that as well.
• 31:20
  And then you have people that will take those jobs for way less.
• 31:23
  and then it disproportionately, because your income is only a sum of people who are making
• 31:28
  the least and the people who are making the most. You're always somewhere in the average.
• 31:32
  And that bottom weighs down disproportionately blue collar wages and has for many, many years,
• 31:39
  which is why I always talk about immigration. I say, oh, all these deportations, all the borders,
• 31:44
  this is all great. But until you start going after the employers that run these backdoor
• 31:48
  exploitation programs, nothing's going to change. I watched it in California my whole life. They
• 31:55
  would deport a bunch of people and then more people would just come because construction,
• 32:00
  food, they have basically what I call a backdoor turnstile of exploitive labor that they bring up
• 32:07
  from Mexico and other countries that keeps the wages in those markets down, which has
• 32:12
  disproportionately caused people to not go into those markets. And now we're desperate for
• 32:17
  electricians.
• 32:19
  You know, it's ironic
• 32:21
  and everything you said is
• 32:23
  the same people who
• 32:25
  cry and scream and
• 32:27
  protest for the immigrant
• 32:29
  worker are
• 32:31
  the same people who will not do the
• 32:33
  same thing and proudly buy
• 32:35
  their clothes that are made overseas in
• 32:37
  countries where a worker makes less than $10
• 32:39
  a day.
• 32:41
  Isn't it sick? It's crazy.
• 32:44
  Now, what you're saying is
• 32:45
  also very, very true because there's no industry more prevalent, well, outside the clothing
• 32:49
  industry, but more prevalent where migrant workers, and I don't have a problem with migrant
• 32:56
  workers.
• 32:57
  We have programs with regulations, but what you said is very true.
• 33:00
  Agricultural industry is very famous for somehow circumventing these programs and knowingly
• 33:07
  paying people under the table, lower wages, not housing them, not doing everything they're
• 33:12
  supposed to do to adhere to that program so they can save money.
• 33:17
  Microsoft recently this year laid off 4,000 people saying they needed to
• 33:22
  downsize and they were cutting certain things such as some of the developers
• 33:26
  in Xbox and gaming, et cetera.
• 33:29
  Now, while they did that, they went ahead and hired similar positions for
• 33:32
  their giant data center in Texas.
• 33:35
  But those same workers that they were hiring for those very similar
• 33:39
  positions happen to now just be H1B visa candidates.
• 33:42
  tell me that's not very shady in and of itself, right?
• 33:49
  Yeah, I really don't like the way that H1Bs have been hijacked
• 33:54
  because they really did offer, I have to say,
• 33:57
  from my business background,
• 33:59
  when Google and Microsoft in the beginning of the tech,
• 34:03
  I started in marketing the year Facebook came out in 2005.
• 34:06
  So I can tell you, during that time,
• 34:08
  all the best engineers were all getting gobbled up
• 34:11
  by these big companies, social media tech companies.
• 34:14
  We had to, in order to make websites and pages and stuff to keep up on the e-commerce,
• 34:19
  use the H-1B program to bring in developers from India and other countries,
• 34:23
  Eastern Europe, when I was at P&G.
• 34:25
  But it was really a program we only reserved for talent that we just couldn't compete.
• 34:31
  We didn't have the wages and the investors that these big companies had to lure those developers over.
• 34:38
  And now it seems that program has been totally hijacked.
• 34:40
  It's not about talent anymore.
• 34:42
  It's just about cheap international labor.
• 34:44
  It has been hijacked.
• 34:46
  And honestly, yeah, I mean, it's very understood why the program originally existed.
• 34:51
  You know, it goes back to World War II, if you think about it, taking all those brilliant scientists that the Germans had and bring them in here to help develop, you know, like nuclear capabilities, etc.
• 35:01
  Einstein.
• 35:02
  Yeah.
• 35:02
  So it makes sense, but that's not what it's being used for now.
• 35:07
  It's literally being used to circumvent the system to save money.
• 35:10
  I had an immigration lawyer on where she literally argued that while the wages by law have to be the same, et cetera.
• 35:15
  Well, yes and no.
• 35:17
  There's a way to write the position within a market to make them actually do more for what should be more money, but they don't.
• 35:25
  They also have to sponsor them for three years, for example.
• 35:28
  And within that three years, they're in fear of at any time, they could lose their job if they're not performing.
• 35:35
  So they are taking advantage of it.
• 35:36
  And when I see something like what Microsoft did, and this is where the tie-in is, Chad.
• 35:41
  When I see something like what Microsoft did to where they willingly got rid of 4,000 people, but then hired those very similar same positions with H-1B.
• 35:52
  They backfilled it with H-1B candidates.
• 35:54
  What message does that send to every citizen or everybody already living here legally in the U.S. who went to college to get their damn degrees for those same jobs?
• 36:03
  it's sending the message that we need to go join the democratic socialists of america
• 36:09
  exactly that's why this is how i mean this is exactly why this is corporate greed but the
• 36:16
  differences from today's baron to you know like the vanderbilt era or the standard oil days you
• 36:24
  know i call them welfare barons now all they know how to do is lobby the government and because our
• 36:29
  government has such an insatiable appetite for agency and bureaucracy. They've figured out how
• 36:36
  to create regulatory moats to protect their own interests. And there's no punishment for this kind
• 36:42
  of thing because of the way they've been able to leverage this bureaucratic appetite against us
• 36:51
  to force us to be price takers, force the producers to be price takers, and all these places in the
• 36:56
  middle, just rest on their laurels. And again, we're at a major head here. And that's the message
• 37:02
  it's sending to young people. It's like, you don't have to do things that way. I understand companies
• 37:08
  need to constantly look at their labor costs and cut back and invest in different areas.
• 37:13
  But when you hear these stories about people training their foreign replacements,
• 37:18
  things like that, this is why we're seeing what we're seeing. And I always have to remind people,
• 37:25
  Democratic Socialists of America is not a new product.
• 37:28
  It's been around since 1988.
• 37:30
  From 1988 to 2020, they had 6,000 members.
• 37:34
  Now they have 800,000 members from 2020 to 2026.
• 37:38
  So this isn't a matter of a new product came to market.
• 37:42
  This is a market match to an existing product.
• 37:46
  It's been there for a long time.
• 37:48
  I think that's a very important thing to point out.
• 37:54
  So now we're going to veer to the DSA because they're not new.
• 37:57
  So let's talk more about that.
• 37:59
  Let's talk about the Democrats for some reason, not helping things by adopting the DSA into
• 38:03
  their party, even though the DSA has been very, very adamant, very, very forthright
• 38:07
  in how they feel about the Democrat Party.
• 38:10
  Their own co-chairs have said that they're literally using the party to gain exposure
• 38:14
  and a platform.
• 38:16
  Now, since the 80s, as you said, DSA has been around.
• 38:20
  I think when they started, they were a true democratic socialist movement.
• 38:25
  But I think it was around 2023 where even the founder was concerned because suddenly they're literally absorbed people who were self-professed Marxists.
• 38:33
  And the party has more and more become more Marxist aligned rather than a democratic socialist organization.
• 38:40
  So there's the danger.
• 38:42
  And we're seeing a lot of those views surface up to the top, and they're being more forthright about that message and not apologetic about it in any way.
• 38:53
  And so I got a little something to read here and this is what concerning So the Democrat Party literally and I say Democrat party because they were Democrat voters Okay That helped this which is the issue
• 39:07
  So they,
• 39:08
  they helped 123 DSA candidates when their primaries this year,
• 39:13
  123,
• 39:14
  19 of those are congressional candidates.
• 39:17
  Okay.
• 39:18
  Most of those congressional candidates are for the Senate where they're
• 39:22
  absolutely trying to take control and flip the house or flip the Senate.
• 39:25
  I mean,
• 39:25
  And so the Democrat Party is responsible.
• 39:30
  Now, this raises a question that will lead right into the other things that I know that
• 39:35
  you've talked about, that being identity politics, right?
• 39:38
  And how the Democrat Party is using the DSA playing to identity politics still today to
• 39:44
  fight against Trump and MAGA.
• 39:46
  But in the case of the DSA, how in the hell does a Democrat Party think that is, I mean,
• 39:53
  they don't align whatsoever.
• 39:54
  So I'm not understanding the play here and how they think that this might help their base when everybody that they're absorbing to try to get a larger voting base is literally turning on the Democrat Party and voting in DSA-backed candidates.
• 40:07
  It's not working out for them.
• 40:09
  So come midterms November, are people going to do the right thing, throw party politics out the window and say, I can't vote for this DSA candidate?
• 40:18
  I'm going to vote for the Republican even though they don't want to vote red.
• 40:22
  but maybe in this instance, it makes more sense.
• 40:25
  Or is that the play in and of itself?
• 40:28
  I don't know.
• 40:29
  What are your thoughts on this?
• 40:30
  A lot of it is up in the air.
• 40:31
  A lot of it is up in the air.
• 40:32
  And I'm not a big prediction guy,
• 40:34
  but I have to say, I do, looking at from the outside in,
• 40:36
  I think the DSA is the biggest gift
• 40:38
  that the Republicans could have ever received
• 40:42
  in this midterm because a lot of people think,
• 40:46
  you know, the midterms lost, Republicans have lost.
• 40:48
  I don't think that.
• 40:49
  I think the days of these huge margins and waves
• 40:52
  are so over. I think we're down to minuscule margins. I don't think we're ever going to see
• 40:57
  these big red or blue waves anymore. And we haven't really since 2016. But to your point,
• 41:04
  I think what happened really with the Democrats is they realized, wow, here's a movement. We've
• 41:10
  never, haven't been able to really touch young people very well. We've been so out of touch.
• 41:15
  There's this small faction in our party who's actually, I mean, they're the best marketers
• 41:19
  in politics right now. Who's getting more coverage than DSA? Nobody. So these guys are marketing and
• 41:25
  their people are willing to send the $5 from the fundraising emails. So for a long time,
• 41:31
  it was a fundraising play. It was these guys are salacious. They stoke the fear. They stoke the
• 41:36
  angst. They stoke the anxiety, which fear, angst, anxiety are how you fundraise in politics. It's
• 41:44
  the end of the republic, end of democracy.
• 41:47
  And they ran on this end of democracy
• 41:49
  and thought that the democratic socialists,
• 41:52
  I think they thought they would help them
• 41:54
  and then slowly kind of turn back into the standard.
• 41:57
  And they're doing the opposite.
• 41:59
  They're digging their heels deeper.
• 42:00
  And now they've got this animal.
• 42:02
  So they're just saying, oh, well, we're a big tent.
• 42:04
  But really they know they've fed this animal,
• 42:08
  and now they created this monster
• 42:13
  and now they're shocked that they're bringing out the guillotine for them.
• 42:16
  But you can't fundraise on radical ideas
• 42:19
  and then wonder why your base is all of a sudden becoming more radical.
• 42:25
  A, you ran on the ideas.
• 42:26
  And then B, what happens is when you fundraise on these crazy ideas,
• 42:30
  all this anti-Trump, people expect action behind it.
• 42:34
  And when they don't get it and they're being gaslit,
• 42:37
  this is what's happening on the right and on the left.
• 42:39
  But when people are gaslit, they go more and more extreme.
• 42:42
  I mean, you see, we just saw this with James Fishback in Florida too.
• 42:46
  It's like you have a Congress that ran on all of these conservative principles.
• 42:51
  No trans surgeries, no socialism, no this, no that.
• 42:55
  We're going to get rid of it.
• 42:56
  We're going to counter revolt, all the stuff that we saw.
• 42:58
  They've done nothing.
• 42:59
  This has been the most embarrassing congressional session I have seen in my lifetime.
• 43:04
  They've done nothing.
• 43:04
  They gave everyone the same amount of money.
• 43:06
  Doge ended up being a joke.
• 43:08
  So people are understandably very, very upset that they've been gaslit for this long and nothing is happening.
• 43:16
  So what are they going to do?
• 43:17
  They're going to get more extreme and they're going to start adopting what I call revenge candidates, which is what these DSAs are.
• 43:23
  Now, to your point, there's 123 primaries that have been won, but none of these people are really battle tested in the middle of the country for general elections.
• 43:32
  And I think what we see in this Michigan race with Rogers and Syed is really going to be the answer of how America is going to adopt this.
• 43:42
  If Syed wins, we know these people are here to stay.
• 43:47
  But I have a feeling that a lot of people in the center are going to have a hard time pulling a lever.
• 43:53
  Unfortunately, I hate to say this, but Americans in the middle of the country pulling a lever just with someone with that name.
• 43:58
  let alone those crazy Medicare for all politics and everything he's running on.
• 44:05
  So, okay.
• 44:09
  Sure, they're not battle tested,
• 44:11
  but the problem is they won the primary and they're the only option.
• 44:14
  Right.
• 44:15
  So it doesn't matter.
• 44:16
  They're the Democrat ticket, not the DSA ticket.
• 44:19
  That's the problem we have.
• 44:20
  And the other problem we have is identity politics or party politics,
• 44:24
  rather, where people vote blue no matter who.
• 44:27
  And you're always going to have those people who are not going to care because in their mind, even voting a DSA candidate who is being represented under the Democrat Party is a much better option than voting for red.
• 44:41
  Or anything Trump related.
• 44:43
  Or Trump.
• 44:44
  I think this Trump stuff is, you know, really been the greatest, one of the greatest psyops ever perpetuated on the American people.
• 44:52
  Because, I mean, if he touches anything, you know, I look at Steve Hilton running in California and it's like, you should have never taken that endorsement.
• 44:59
  You should do what Glenn Youngkin did in Virginia and run as far away from Trump as possible.
• 45:04
  Maybe you could get a coalition going.
• 45:06
  But the second that he's proudly endorsed by Trump and he's Trump's guy, there's no way he's going to win.
• 45:11
  Yeah, well, I'm going to talk about that in a bit.
• 45:14
  But back to this, the DSA thing is they are the only Democrat ticket out of those 123 primaries, the 19 of them being congressional, which is scary.
• 45:26
  So we do have a problem.
• 45:27
  And it's going to be interesting to see if Americans realize that your vote matters for America, not just your party.
• 45:35
  because I would rather have a Trump party candidate,
• 45:41
  for example, than a DSA member.
• 45:44
  I mean, socialism is right there.
• 45:47
  Democratic Socialists of America.
• 45:49
  I'm sorry.
• 45:49
  It's right in their damn name of the organization.
• 45:51
  And beyond that,
• 45:52
  after the adoption of the increase of Marxist ideology,
• 45:57
  I don't think it's a good thing.
• 45:59
  And then the Democrats themselves can't figure it out.
• 46:02
  So we have the voice of reason,
• 46:04
  John Fetterman, who is vehemently against it.
• 46:08
  And, you know, I mean, that guy, I got to be honest, he seems to be the more centrist
• 46:13
  of most people out there as far as politics.
• 46:16
  He does vote more Democrat all the time.
• 46:17
  That is his party, I understand.
• 46:19
  But at the same time, he makes a lot of sense when he talks.
• 46:23
  And then you have AOC, the darling, their star, who professes to be part of the DSA now,
• 46:30
  which makes no damn sense.
• 46:31
  so we have a splintering in the democrat party it's a matter of who if you're going to go back
• 46:36
  to marketing and sales it's a matter of who's going to be able to sell the narrative that
• 46:40
  their people are going to swallow and get behind that's basically what it's going to come down to
• 46:44
  who's going to sell what they believe in better than the next so that they can steer people towards
• 46:50
  like i mean they're going to have to grab the independent vote they're going to have to steer
• 46:54
  the rest of the democrats who do not believe in becoming a socialist nation towards unfortunately
• 46:59
  maybe voting for the red option, but it doesn't even matter.
• 47:02
  At that point, you got to do what's right for the country.
• 47:04
  And I think that applies more to the 19 congressional candidates
• 47:07
  is where the real issue is there, right?
• 47:09
  Yeah, totally.
• 47:10
  So I think we do have a real issue here.
• 47:12
  I don't think it's one we could brush under the rug,
• 47:13
  and I think people need to talk about it and take it more serious.
• 47:15
  I know you have, and we're just riffing here.
• 47:18
  Yeah, no, no.
• 47:20
  And to your point, with these DSAs,
• 47:26
  there is no counter-revolution.
• 47:32
  You're right.
• 47:33
  It is serious.
• 47:34
  So you would think that someone and I talked,
• 47:35
  I know you only got halfway through my show last night,
• 47:37
  but what I talked about was,
• 47:39
  10 years ago, we had Ron Paul.
• 47:42
  And Ron Paul, for whatever reason,
• 47:45
  defied space and time and physics
• 47:47
  and got all these young people
• 47:49
  behind the sort of libertarian,
• 47:50
  quasi-hybrid libertarian conservative movement.
• 47:53
  And he was able to get people
• 47:55
  in the same enthusiasm and energy that you're seeing on the DSA side for free markets and
• 48:02
  a little bit of isolationism with global politics or whatever. But he was a good
• 48:08
  counter-revolutionary. We don't have that. And unfortunately, the people on the right right now
• 48:13
  are just saying, oh, they're just communists. They're just crazy. Well, I'm sorry, dismissing
• 48:17
  a generation of young people in this country that are unhappy and not providing an alternative
• 48:23
  solution that something is clearly catching up. Again, 6,000 to 800,000 members is not a rounding
• 48:29
  error. So to your point, but we're not offering any solution. And that's what I was trying to say
• 48:36
  in my show last night and in everything that I write. It's that ignoring, calling them names,
• 48:42
  sneering at them, telling them they're stupid, telling them to stop buying their Starbucks
• 48:46
  is not going to work at the ballot box. We have to have a solution and we have to show people
• 48:52
  what you're feeling, what you're mad about and what you're feeling are not necessarily the same
• 48:57
  thing. And we understand where you're at right now. And here's someone that can step up and be
• 49:03
  that person. I don't know who it is, but we need a counter-revolutionary movement on the right
• 49:07
  that's going to provide solutions for these people instead of just say, oh no, this is free market.
• 49:12
  This is capitalism, business as usual. That's not going to fly either.
• 49:16
  Yeah, I think you're right. And I also believe that the other issue we have is we have elected
• 49:20
  representatives not listening to those who elected them, just ignoring them.
• 49:24
  Because the problems that are being discussed right now are problems that have been around
• 49:28
  for a while and have been brought up but never addressed.
• 49:31
  I mean, back to your point about Doge, what was the point of that?
• 49:34
  If you uncovered all this fraud and waste and programs that weren't working and there
• 49:38
  was a solution offered to you and you chose not to implement those solutions, then what
• 49:43
  was the point of it?
• 49:43
  It was just window dressing?
• 49:44
  Exactly.
• 49:45
  Yes.
• 49:46
  It made no sense.
• 49:47
  This is from 2.0.
• 49:49
  This is the challenge with this administration.
• 49:52
  It's podium politics versus what's actually at the docket.
• 49:55
  Oh, Dojan covered a trillion dollars.
• 49:57
  Then you look at the rescission package.
• 49:59
  It's like 50 million bucks.
• 50:01
  Like who cares?
• 50:02
  Right.
• 50:02
  You know, it's not all these people are getting rehired again.
• 50:06
  All the ones that got laid off, the federal government's rehiring them on the back end.
• 50:10
  So it's not and that's why I, you know, we had that conversation about being independent
• 50:13
  and conservative right now, because I agree with what everyone is saying.
• 50:19
  I have a problem with what they're doing because they're not actually doing anything about it.
• 50:23
  We have this whole Congress that ran on all these things and they're not doing anything about it.
• 50:28
  And people are always on me for being too hard on Republicans, being too hard on Republican candidates.
• 50:34
  I'm sorry.
• 50:35
  The Democrats are so far gone.
• 50:37
  That is an easy target for me.
• 50:38
  I'm going to hold my own people to the level that I want.
• 50:41
  And I'm going to make sure that conservatives who run on conservative principles actually follow through.
• 50:46
  I mean, this is what, you know, Teddy Roosevelt and Reagan broke up AT&T, breaking up monopolies, trust busting.
• 50:53
  That is the conservative principle.
• 50:55
  We have completely ignored it and walked away from it and let this whole sprawl to happen.
• 51:00
  So, again, a lot of this is people are saying the right things, but they're not doing the right things.
• 51:05
  And as a nation, we've been gaslit.
• 51:08
  Yeah, I and shoot.
• 51:11
  OK, a couple of things I want to say.
• 51:13
  Well, firstly, I think some of what would help with this would actually be term limits in Congress.
• 51:18
  That might help.
• 51:19
  I'm a huge performer of Article 5 Convention of States.
• 51:23
  I support Mark Meckler.
• 51:25
  I'm a writer.
• 51:26
  I'm a volunteer for Convention of States action.
• 51:28
  That's the only way we're ever going to take this back.
• 51:31
  And they only want three things, by the way, which I think every American agrees with.
• 51:34
  Term limits, fiscal guardrails, and some more transparency reporting requirements on their end.
• 51:41
  That's it.
• 51:41
  That's all they want.
• 51:42
  Yeah.
• 51:43
  And then Trump 2.0.
• 51:45
  I mean, honestly, I kind of expected some of the antics and whatnot that we're seeing just because he doesn't have another term.
• 51:54
  I think he's in a hurry to get done what he can regardless and doesn't care about the consequences.
• 51:58
  He's going scorched earth.
• 51:59
  That's what it is.
• 52:00
  Because this is his last term.
• 52:01
  He doesn't give a damn.
• 52:02
  He really doesn't.
• 52:02
  but you're not helping the conservative party when he announced like,
• 52:08
  Hey,
• 52:08
  if we can keep that,
• 52:09
  if we can keep Congress red and in control,
• 52:13
  everyone gets a $5,000 check.
• 52:14
  I'm like,
• 52:15
  is that kind of like voter integrity issue right there?
• 52:19
  Like,
• 52:19
  are you trying to buy votes?
• 52:20
  Like,
• 52:21
  what are,
• 52:21
  what are you talking about?
• 52:23
  What's a hundred percent a bribe?
• 52:24
  If the Democrat party did that,
• 52:26
  we would be screaming,
• 52:27
  right?
• 52:27
  Would we not?
• 52:28
  Oh my God.
• 52:29
  Yes,
• 52:29
  we'd be screaming.
• 52:30
  And if,
• 52:31
  and you know,
• 52:31
  my,
• 52:31
  whole problem with that is you do the first midterm convention that the Republicans have
• 52:36
  done in a very, very long time, which by the way, Grindr crashed every night of the Republican
• 52:40
  convention. That's a separate story. But you do a first time midterm convention and it's impressive.
• 52:48
  I mean, the guy can put on an event. I mean, he is, you know, and he has more energy and I love
• 52:54
  the way he talks. I mean, I have so many great things I love about the guy. I really do. I always
• 52:58
  say, he's kind of like America's grandpa. He says weird off the wall stuff and he's just very much
• 53:02
  a victim of his time. But he runs this whole thing to tell everyone before the midterms how
• 53:06
  wonderful we're doing and then offers $5,000 a vote. Basically, it's like, how great are you
• 53:13
  doing if you have to bribe people? You know, what's crazy is, you know, it goes back to what
• 53:19
  you said in the beginning of the conversation, like the very beginning where you were talking
• 53:23
  about how you felt you had to be a better representative, you know, within your niche
• 53:27
  or whatever it is.
• 53:28
  And it's like now,
• 53:30
  if you're just trying to tell the truth
• 53:32
  and stand up and have integrity,
• 53:34
  it's like I made a comment about this
• 53:36
  on social media.
• 53:38
  And I was like, yeah, this is voter manipulation
• 53:41
  and automatically lost some fault.
• 53:44
  Oh, yeah.
• 53:45
  And I'm like, come on, man.
• 53:47
  I mean, do you not see how Trump needs
• 53:50
  to walk that back?
• 53:51
  It's not doing the Republican Party
• 53:52
  or the MAGA movement any service at all.
• 53:55
  It's just not.
• 53:56
  You know, that's not what we're supposed to stand for.
• 53:58
  And so it's not what we're supposed to stand for.
• 54:00
  And it's also completely counterintuitive that the message that you're trying to send the people, it's like, again, confidence through strength, delivery results.
• 54:09
  And I do think, I really do, I have to say this.
• 54:12
  We have won a lot of, we've had some really big wins under Trump, especially in contrast to those four years under Biden.
• 54:20
  But they're also not talking to people about it.
• 54:24
  They're not showing people the efforts that they're making.
• 54:28
  And then again, largely, it's because these are all podium talking points and we're not
• 54:33
  actually seeing anything that's in the talk.
• 54:35
  It's like this big house.
• 54:36
  We're talking about housing, this big housing bill that they just passed, bipartisan, billions
• 54:40
  of dollars.
• 54:41
  You ask one question, is there anything in this bill that makes getting into a first
• 54:45
  time home cheaper?
• 54:47
  No.
• 54:48
  It expands apartments.
• 54:49
  it expands but it doesn't do anything to the cost of the house right that's a podium election
• 54:57
  talking point and not actual docket that will move the needle and and americans unfortunately
• 55:03
  we can't hold two truths at the same time i was just on a senator's podcast on sunday one of the
• 55:08
  i mean i laughed i said you make joe biden look like a republican he was so liberal um but he uh
• 55:14
  we were talking and he said, I hate identity politics.
• 55:18
  I said, well, then name one positive thing about what Trump's done since the first or
• 55:22
  what he couldn't do it.
• 55:23
  And it's like, why can't I say something like, I really like what Trump's done with beef,
• 55:28
  but I really don't like what he's done with Iran.
• 55:31
  Why can't we have, why have we lost that ability to do that in this country?
• 55:36
  Because it's a team sport, Chad.
• 55:38
  That's why it's a team sport.
• 55:40
  Because I'm a golfer.
• 55:41
  So I guess I don't know.
• 55:42
  Yeah, and look, the problem is nobody really wants to talk about the issues.
• 55:50
  I'm talking about real issues.
• 55:51
  They're doing podium politics, like you said.
• 55:53
  They're talking, everybody wants to talk like, oh, big picture.
• 55:56
  You don't talk about, we got to look at the big picture.
• 55:58
  Cool.
• 55:58
  Well, what is that big picture?
• 56:00
  I could talk geopolitics with anybody, and I could definitely go down that road and connect the dots.
• 56:05
  But when you press somebody on it, one of our representatives, they just fall apart.
• 56:08
  They collapse because they realize that you actually care about the issue and they don't have an answer for it.
• 56:15
  The problem is nobody wants to talk about the issues that matter.
• 56:18
  And when they do, they can't offer a solution.
• 56:22
  And going back to Doge, when a solution is offered, they don't want to implement it.
• 56:26
  So what's the point?
• 56:28
  If we don't really have a choice and our vote is being shown to everybody that it really doesn't matter because they don't want to be held accountable.
• 56:34
  And that's the other thing we don't have, Chad.
• 56:35
  the people don't realize that we can hold these people accountable, but yet we do not do it.
• 56:40
  So the other problem is, okay, let's get back to it. Term limits, number one, right? You agree?
• 56:46
  Yep. We need solutions to issues.
• 56:48
  Everywhere. I think SCOTUS should be on term limits too.
• 56:51
  Yes. Yes.
• 56:53
  I come from the private sector where you move people around, they learn more. You never stay
• 56:58
  in the same job more than five years at P&G, for example. That's how they train you to move on.
• 57:03
  So I don't think term limits is a weak thing.
• 57:05
  I think it's a good thing.
• 57:07
  Yeah, no, you need to make room for new ideas, new blood, etc.
• 57:11
  But so we're talking about term limits for sure.
• 57:16
  We need to solutions, actually implement solutions.
• 57:20
  And one of the ways to do that is a lot of people oppose having single subject bills,
• 57:26
  for example.
• 57:27
  They think it's a waste of time.
• 57:29
  Well, it doesn't make any sense.
• 57:30
  It's a waste of time.
• 57:30
  Well, how can you explain to us that it's a waste of time?
• 57:33
  Why can't we separate something that actually matters?
• 57:36
  Like if we talk about the SAVE Act, for example, or when Trump 1.0 was trying to build the border wall, but yet the Democrats had control and were trying to tie it to Ukraine funding.
• 57:46
  How does that even go together?
• 57:49
  Even in that housing bill, there's a US dollar cryptocurrency clause.
• 57:54
  Oh, that's right.
• 57:54
  I forgot about that.
• 57:55
  In the housing bill.
• 57:57
  It has to stop.
• 57:59
  It has to stop.
• 58:00
  Now, one thing I love about AI is there's never been a better tool now to read a 600-page bill and summarize it.
• 58:06
  So someone in my position, now I can pop it in and get all kinds of great information, which I think should scare them.
• 58:13
  Because now we finally have people that can understand this stuff.
• 58:17
  The whole thing that they were always selling before was complexity and trying to fit a 600-page bill into a bumper sticker.
• 58:24
  And that has to stop.
• 58:26
  And this whole idea of single bills being wrong, I totally agree with you.
• 58:30
  I also think the other solution is we need to have sunset clauses on everything.
• 58:36
  If it's working, just look it up, revote for it again in five years.
• 58:40
  If it's not working, justify keeping this going.
• 58:43
  Because without sunset clauses, that's how we get trapped in these certainty things
• 58:47
  where one little thing in a 600-page bill stays there.
• 58:51
  and it costs us so much money, time, and resources
• 58:55
  blocking the progress it could have made
• 58:57
  when it doesn't even know that it's in that whole mess
• 59:01
  or web of stuff in the swamp.
• 59:05
  Right.
• 59:05
  So, I mean, there you go.
• 59:06
  We got single subject bills.
• 59:08
  We have term limits and sunset clauses would be great.
• 59:13
  And how about we have a way to affect Congress
• 59:17
  that doesn't involve Congress actually voting
• 59:19
  for what works for them only.
• 59:21
  That doesn't make sense.
• 59:22
  Like they're the only ones who could vote on their salary, right?
• 59:25
  They're the only ones who could vote on if they could limit their term limits.
• 59:28
  Like, does it, I mean, is any, you're a CEO.
• 59:31
  Are you going to vote against your own bonus?
• 59:34
  No, of course not.
• 59:37
  You know, when we talk about education, you know, when I talk about cause and effect,
• 59:40
  the other big thing is, is that people really need to understand just basic, basic incentive
• 59:46
  structure. Because when you know an incentive, you can basically understand why everyone's doing
• 59:53
  what they're doing. But if you don't know what the real incentive is, then you might as well
• 1:00:00
  be bowling in the dark. You have no clue. So teaching people the incentive, the incentive of
• 1:00:05
  media, the incentive of journalism, the incentive of politicians, and what those incentives are,
• 1:00:10
  it will help everyone have a better basic understanding of the decisions that these
• 1:00:14
  people make and the relationship that they have with politics, power, and media, whether
• 1:00:19
  it's serving them or not, because they can understand the incentive structure that it's
• 1:00:23
  driving those decisions that are impacting their lives.
• 1:00:29
  So, Chad, I'm going to veer this slightly a little different direction, but before we
• 1:00:34
  leave this particular subject altogether, I have one more question regarding this, your
• 1:00:38
  opinion, by the way.
• 1:00:39
  So, we talked about how there was a rift in the Democrat Party between the DSA and the
• 1:00:44
  actual hardline Democrats or old school Democrats.
• 1:00:46
  And then we also seem to have the same thing going on in the Republican
• 1:00:50
  party.
• 1:00:50
  If you're looking at the MAGA movement and who is considered the actual
• 1:00:55
  Republican party or conservatives.
• 1:00:57
  And then we have a third,
• 1:00:59
  third thing here within the Republican party,
• 1:01:02
  that being the,
• 1:01:03
  the political influencers and podcasters who seem to think they're rock
• 1:01:09
  stars of the world and they can do no wrong and say whatever they want.
• 1:01:11
  And that's also a problem.
• 1:01:14
  So it's a big problem with that.
• 1:01:16
  I mean, I'm going to ask the question.
• 1:01:18
  Do you think the conservative party's in trouble?
• 1:01:20
  Should it be split?
• 1:01:21
  I mean, what do we need to do the right to ship?
• 1:01:24
  You know, that's a great question.
• 1:01:25
  I'm not sure if I'm the right one to have the final solution.
• 1:01:28
  But what I can tell you is, is that I look at everything very pragmatically.
• 1:01:33
  When you see people like Tucker Carlson saying someone like James Fishback is the future of the Republican Party.
• 1:01:39
  Same man a week later got on stage told a black guy he deserved to be lynched but that neither here nor there But you got this Tucker Carlson endorsing someone like James Fishback That is no different than what we seeing with Bernie Sanders and AOC
• 1:01:53
  on the left. It's just another split, factional split, because of the same diagnosis for me.
• 1:02:01
  People feel gaslit. Certainly, Tucker resonates with people because he's got a following that
• 1:02:06
  listens to him. So again, it's, yes, we're in just as much trouble on our side as they are on their
• 1:02:14
  side. The difference is, is that Democrats historically have always kind of been able to
• 1:02:20
  pull it together for the cameras and look like they're united, you know, and fight behind the
• 1:02:24
  curtain. Whereas Republicans, for whatever reason, we can't help but take it out to the streets.
• 1:02:30
  You know, so from a public perception, we've got a lot of work to do on our side.
• 1:02:35
  but the cause
• 1:02:38
  and effect and the diagnosis
• 1:02:40
  that you made is it's the exact same thing
• 1:02:42
  happening on both sides
• 1:02:43
  what's great about it is it's
• 1:02:46
  creating more independence is we're the fastest
• 1:02:48
  growing group you know and independence have gone
• 1:02:50
  from 20 to 28% in the last three
• 1:02:52
  years
• 1:02:52
  it's I guess
• 1:02:56
  you know you're right and it's not
• 1:02:58
  just like you said you might not be the right
• 1:03:00
  person to answer this but I mean the reality
• 1:03:02
  is we what is the actual answer we don't
• 1:03:04
  know i mean if if we further splinter the party then we dilute the voter base and then we create
• 1:03:09
  maybe another party and the influence that these podcasters have um that you know we've all put on
• 1:03:16
  a pedestal and look to as if they were rock stars like metallic on stage or whatever um is also the
• 1:03:23
  issue uh if we could just look at these people as what they are because most of them aren't even
• 1:03:26
  real political commentators they're entertainers more than anything they're just background noise
• 1:03:31
  and they seem so out of touch.
• 1:03:33
  And of course, I mean, we're podcasters.
• 1:03:35
  It's strange for me to be saying this,
• 1:03:37
  doing what I do.
• 1:03:38
  But at the same time,
• 1:03:39
  I think there's a difference between those,
• 1:03:41
  like you said earlier,
• 1:03:42
  looking for likes and clicks
• 1:03:44
  to keep their monetization going
• 1:03:46
  so that they can continue to live out
• 1:03:47
  this life of entertainment
• 1:03:48
  and whatever else goes with it.
• 1:03:50
  And those who really take this serious,
• 1:03:54
  it's not just commentary.
• 1:03:55
  I think it's delivering the ability
• 1:03:58
  to actually have these discussions
• 1:04:00
  that we're having, really discuss as we were talking about earlier, real issues.
• 1:04:04
  Now, we may not come up with solutions to the problems, but at least we're starting to
• 1:04:09
  get the conversation rolling to where people smarter than us can come up with that.
• 1:04:13
  Maybe someone listening will go, hey, you know what?
• 1:04:15
  Good point.
• 1:04:16
  I'll take that on.
• 1:04:17
  And here's what I'm going to do to come up with solutions.
• 1:04:18
  So there's always that.
• 1:04:21
  So let's move on to the last segment here.
• 1:04:24
  And let me just add really quick.
• 1:04:26
  Two years ago, I would have told you, we need a third party.
• 1:04:29
  We need a third party.
• 1:04:30
  But now that I've seen the success of the DSA hijacking the Democrat Party, I'm wondering if we can do that with the GOP and root out all the special interest nonsense that we've...
• 1:04:43
  The real problem with the GOP is that we've just been infected by special interest.
• 1:04:47
  That's the real issue.
• 1:04:49
  But the Democrats have their own worry.
• 1:04:51
  So I'm hoping that we could do something similar to the DSA, but on the right to get rid of a lot of the special interest and a lot of this lobbying money that's muddying the conservative principles that we all want to see.
• 1:05:05
  Okay, so before we talk about AI, I think that you're right, and I have said the same damn thing.
• 1:05:11
  I want to get rid of special interest groups altogether.
• 1:05:15
  We don't need a special interest group.
• 1:05:16
  We just need them to listen to the people who are voting.
• 1:05:20
  Yes, and I think lobbying should be illegal as well.
• 1:05:23
  Lobbying should be done.
• 1:05:24
  Or...
• 1:05:25
  Earmarks.
• 1:05:26
  I mean, that's one thing Paul Ryan, I mean, I think he did such a good job.
• 1:05:29
  We got rid of earmarks.
• 1:05:30
  Now earmarks are back.
• 1:05:31
  So much for this conservative Republican control.
• 1:05:34
  Everyone's sending, you know, I just saw the big, beautiful bill,
• 1:05:37
  millions of dollars for pickleball courts in San Onofre, California,
• 1:05:41
  and just stupid stuff.
• 1:05:42
  Give me a break.
• 1:05:44
  Can we just get back to a semblance of normalcy here?
• 1:05:47
  what about what about
• 1:05:49
  I mean I think there might be a case for
• 1:05:51
  lobbying where it does make sense
• 1:05:53
  like there might be there might be
• 1:05:55
  where it does make sense but
• 1:05:56
  I want to see it done openly
• 1:05:58
  I want to say okay once a week
• 1:06:01
  you get your chance to lobby the entire
• 1:06:03
  house or senate period
• 1:06:05
  in front of everybody
• 1:06:07
  give us your pitch
• 1:06:08
  that's how it should be no more
• 1:06:11
  secret meetings no one on ones no more
• 1:06:13
  bullshit this is what I have
• 1:06:15
  to say I'm a lobbyist
• 1:06:17
  All the representatives are here.
• 1:06:19
  Here you go.
• 1:06:21
  Here's your chance.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah, and one of my buddies,
• 1:06:23
  one of my favorites out there is Bo Snardley.
• 1:06:25
  You know, he produced the Rush Limbaugh show
• 1:06:26
  for over 30 years.
• 1:06:27
  And he says, he did a satire this weekend
• 1:06:31
  and said that he wants all the Congress
• 1:06:34
  to have to wear body cams.
• 1:06:36
  That would be, yeah.
• 1:06:40
  I think that would be great.
• 1:06:43
  Whatever.
• 1:06:44
  Because if you think about it,
• 1:06:46
  you know, they have such an insatiable
• 1:06:47
  appetite for technology when it's about
• 1:06:49
  controlling us. Block cams,
• 1:06:52
  surveillance, fraud,
• 1:06:53
  detection. But all of these
• 1:06:55
  off-the-shelf tools that can cut
• 1:06:57
  federal double payments,
• 1:06:59
  checks going sent to dead, they have
• 1:07:01
  an allergy to. Anything that looks
• 1:07:03
  at them, they have an allergy to, but their
• 1:07:05
  appetite is insatiable for anything that looks at us.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, it's crazy because
• 1:07:09
  to your
• 1:07:11
  point here, they literally passed
• 1:07:14
  I think it's law.
• 1:07:17
  To where all the cars, 2026 and on, have biometrics and telemetry sensors.
• 1:07:24
  Everything.
• 1:07:25
  Everything that records you in your car.
• 1:07:27
  Everything you do.
• 1:07:29
  And send that information back to the insurance companies, to the police.
• 1:07:32
  It can make the determination that you're too angry to drive, too emotional.
• 1:07:36
  Shut your car down.
• 1:07:37
  There's so many things that can happen now that are built into these vehicles.
• 1:07:41
  And it's like, hmm.
• 1:07:43
  How did Congress, how did they get together and pass that?
• 1:07:47
  how? But yet they can't wear body cam?
• 1:07:51
  Like, I want to see a camera on those
• 1:07:52
  bastards 24-7. We'll live stream
• 1:07:54
  that fucking channel, to be quite honest.
• 1:07:56
  Let's just put that thing out there. I think it'll be the most
• 1:07:58
  entertaining thing on YouTube, you name it.
• 1:08:00
  And let's see how much they get away with.
• 1:08:03
  Well, what's so funny is that, you know,
• 1:08:04
  as we're going to go and talk about the AI
• 1:08:06
  topic, it's like I've always said, I think
• 1:08:08
  Congress is the first job that should get replaced
• 1:08:10
  by AI. I mean, they talk about truck
• 1:08:12
  drivers. I don't want a computer deciding
• 1:08:14
  if they're going to change a lane in front of me. However,
• 1:08:16
  a true congressperson is just a proxy voter for their community. So if there's a way to just kind
• 1:08:22
  of create a survey and the community gets to vote on it, and then if they vote against it,
• 1:08:27
  they have to come and justify. So I'm like, I would rather have AI than these congresspeople.
• 1:08:31
  But I mean, it's kind of funny. You have to have some human decision making. But my point,
• 1:08:36
  to your point, is that we have got to fix this one-way mirror where everything's pointed at us
• 1:08:43
  and there's nothing pointed at them.
• 1:08:45
  Again, and when you see these laws
• 1:08:47
  that are so obviously disparaging
• 1:08:51
  towards everyday people
• 1:08:52
  and protective of the elites
• 1:08:54
  and the expert class
• 1:08:55
  and the political class,
• 1:08:57
  again, that's why more people
• 1:08:58
  gravitate towards socialism and drift.
• 1:09:02
  So what you're saying about AI in Congress,
• 1:09:05
  I was trying to find the quote,
• 1:09:07
  but ah, damn it.
• 1:09:10
  So Terminator, okay?
• 1:09:12
  Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  All right. So the director of Terminator, the first one, well, he was all of them. So I don't know why I said that. But anyway, he was referencing the first Terminator when it came out. I think it was 1984. And he said, we're talking about AI and where it's going. Because we even have open AI. I think it was open AI that said, oh, we're going to hold off on our full release or whatever it is because there was some dangers. Like there's something that isn't right.
• 1:09:38
  and we're talking about how you'd rather have AI
• 1:09:40
  take care of Congress.
• 1:09:42
  Yeah, until it becomes Skynet and then
• 1:09:44
  whatever. And so
• 1:09:46
  they were saying, the director was saying,
• 1:09:49
  hey, it's a joke.
• 1:09:50
  I know. He goes, I warned you all.
• 1:09:53
  1984, I warned you.
• 1:09:56
  Well, then you look at
• 1:09:57
  George Orwell who warned us in 1948.
• 1:09:59
  Yes, yes.
• 1:10:01
  There's that too, which
• 1:10:03
  that seems to be playing out in the UK right now
• 1:10:05
  before our eyes, which is crazy.
• 1:10:06
  so let's talk AI sir
• 1:10:09
  let's talk AI all the chatter
• 1:10:11
  narratives everything's going on
• 1:10:13
  just give us your opinion on is it good
• 1:10:16
  is it bad because AI literally should
• 1:10:17
  just be a tool but we also have
• 1:10:19
  the dangers of it being
• 1:10:21
  I don't know self aware possibly or
• 1:10:23
  evolving to a level to where we can't stay ahead of it
• 1:10:25
  and keep up and keep those
• 1:10:27
  safeguards and controls on it
• 1:10:29
  there's been already examples
• 1:10:31
  of where AI programs
• 1:10:33
  have broken their own safeguards
• 1:10:35
  and then locked out their own programmers
• 1:10:38
  and people writing the scripts out
• 1:10:41
  from even manipulating the AI itself.
• 1:10:44
  So where are we at, man?
• 1:10:47
  And then, hold on.
• 1:10:48
  And then we also have to consider the data center.
• 1:10:50
  So I'm going to let you take this however you want.
• 1:10:52
  Because there's a few things there.
• 1:10:54
  Yeah, well, this is kind of how a lot of this started.
• 1:10:58
  The first book I wrote was called The Price of Progress.
• 1:11:01
  And it's about data centers.
• 1:11:03
  And the first thing I should say is that
• 1:11:04
  we have to separate the conversation.
• 1:11:08
  You know, every media headline
• 1:11:09
  is running the data center opposition
• 1:11:12
  as an opposition for AI and technology.
• 1:11:15
  That is not the case.
• 1:11:16
  Adoption rates are through the roof.
• 1:11:19
  People are using it for health.
• 1:11:20
  People are using it to better themselves,
• 1:11:23
  their finances.
• 1:11:24
  So I believe that it's a great tool.
• 1:11:27
  And I think that Americans are early adopters They love innovation and they love technology I mean we invented the internet and then we spent 30 years complaining it was too slow So I think that AI is something that Americans are okay with
• 1:11:42
  I really dispel the notion
• 1:11:43
  that the data center backlash has to do with AI.
• 1:11:46
  Because if you look at the data center backlash,
• 1:11:48
  a lot of these data centers
• 1:11:49
  are actually mining centers for crypto.
• 1:11:52
  People don't really care what's happening in the building.
• 1:11:55
  They just don't want a gas-powered power plant in their skids elementary school to support this thing.
• 1:12:07
  So we've got to separate the two things.
• 1:12:08
  The data center is about the cost, the utility burden, the water, the land, all of that.
• 1:12:15
  And then you've got AI and the story like you talked about where it's going rogue and it's writing songs about your dead aunt on its own
• 1:12:23
  and all these kind of crazy stories that we have.
• 1:12:26
  So we have two things happening.
• 1:12:28
  The data center thing is the best news
• 1:12:30
  and the most exciting thing for me in the world.
• 1:12:33
  I believe that data centers and flock cameras
• 1:12:36
  are going to unite America through all this Jersey politics
• 1:12:39
  because we're already seeing a huge group of people.
• 1:12:43
  And this is people rejecting big corporations saying,
• 1:12:46
  we're going to circumvent your democratic process
• 1:12:48
  and we're just going to go ahead and build this thing anyways
• 1:12:50
  because we have to beat China.
• 1:12:52
  And it's like, no.
• 1:12:54
  And Americans are saying, no, that's not going to happen.
• 1:12:57
  And it's not in my backyardism either.
• 1:12:59
  It's if you're going to do this, you're not getting tax abatements away from our schools.
• 1:13:03
  You're not getting this.
• 1:13:04
  And so that is something that's happening.
• 1:13:06
  It's happening now.
• 1:13:07
  And I just read a study.
• 1:13:08
  Over 50% of the people who are in data center groups are using AI to build their arguments to block the data center.
• 1:13:16
  Okay?
• 1:13:16
  So there's not a problem with AI.
• 1:13:19
  There's a problem with corporations in a hurry going to these rural areas that have, by the way, the thinnest newspaper and the part-time county commissioners.
• 1:13:28
  It's just a path of least resistance and putting these things up.
• 1:13:32
  And the market is responding beautifully, which is another reason why I think it's great news.
• 1:13:38
  For the first few years of these things, they told us there's no way they can go in towers in downtown.
• 1:13:43
  And I live right outside of Portland, and we're like 75% vacant in downtown Portland.
• 1:13:48
  And now all of a sudden, they're realizing that the original power and water limitations,
• 1:13:54
  those were all codes that were written in the 70s.
• 1:13:57
  And now that we have all of this Energy Star ACs and things that use way less,
• 1:14:03
  there's actually an abundant amount of water and power in these towers.
• 1:14:06
  And now data centers are starting to go up in these vacant towers instead of rural areas because of the rural pushback.
• 1:14:12
  So the market is responding.
• 1:14:13
  The democratic process is working.
• 1:14:16
  And I absolutely love it.
• 1:14:17
  And I absolutely reject the idea it's because Americans are anti-technology or anti-AI.
• 1:14:24
  On the flip side, there is a lot of angst and worry about AI because our leaders aren't doing
• 1:14:30
  anything. I mean, when they released the internet in 1996, Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton came
• 1:14:35
  together and they wrote the initial framework for American internet. They didn't know what it was
• 1:14:40
  going to be. No one knows what AI is going to be, but there was guardrails around pornography.
• 1:14:44
  There was guardrails around misinformation and citation.
• 1:14:47
  All of those things, child abuse, copyright, the models taking over, those are things where
• 1:14:57
  we do.
• 1:14:57
  We need some just very basic common sense guardrails from our leaders to fill those gaps.
• 1:15:03
  But what you have now that you didn't have during the internet is billions of dollars
• 1:15:07
  in lobbying funds that it actually is an incentive for the Congress and the president
• 1:15:12
  to not pass anything because they're just going to keep getting more and more election dollars
• 1:15:17
  and lobbying dollars from these big companies. While the American people are saying, give us
• 1:15:22
  some guardrails, just give us some basic operating principles so we have some idea of maybe where we
• 1:15:27
  think this thing is going and how it can benefit us. And so we know it's not going to come and
• 1:15:32
  destroy the world as we know it. So you've got a refusal of action combined with
• 1:15:38
  with circumventing the democratic process
• 1:15:42
  and together it's making a mess.
• 1:15:46
  But if we separate those two,
• 1:15:48
  it's really a matter of
• 1:15:49
  follow the democratic process
• 1:15:51
  on the data center side.
• 1:15:53
  These companies, we say FAFO,
• 1:15:55
  they really effed around
• 1:15:56
  and found out what happens
• 1:15:58
  because now they're $320 billion in delays.
• 1:16:02
  But on the AI side,
• 1:16:03
  we need basic guardrails
• 1:16:05
  on the software,
• 1:16:06
  how the software is going to be.
• 1:16:07
  And the leaderships are living large on all this tech dollars that are suddenly flooding through DC to keep these processes from happening.
• 1:16:15
  But we already see the writing on the wall.
• 1:16:17
  Now what's going to happen is all these independent tax offices around the country are going to write their own levies, their own registration fees.
• 1:16:24
  So we're going to have different taxes for different subscription levels.
• 1:16:27
  It's going to be a big mess if they don't step up and produce something.
• 1:16:31
  And I think that's where most of the angst and the worry is coming from.
• 1:16:34
  AI is a funny thing because you're right.
• 1:16:38
  But like I just pointed out earlier,
• 1:16:42
  how are you going to put guardrails on AI
• 1:16:45
  when in itself, AI itself is trying to circumvent those guardrails?
• 1:16:50
  And in many cases, it has already, which is crazy.
• 1:16:53
  And it's really important that we separate the types that we're talking about.
• 1:16:57
  So the AI that we're experiencing right now is what they call LLMs.
• 1:17:00
  They're large language models,
• 1:17:02
  which basically means that whatever's out there,
• 1:17:04
  everything that's happening with AI right now
• 1:17:06
  is always going to be downstream of a human.
• 1:17:09
  Now, when we talk about machine learning
• 1:17:11
  and automating decision-making from a computer,
• 1:17:15
  that is where I draw the line.
• 1:17:18
  True.
• 1:17:18
  This machinery always has to be downstream from a human.
• 1:17:21
  Yeah, I agree.
• 1:17:22
  But here's the thing with LLM.
• 1:17:24
  Okay, yes, it's nothing more than an aggregator at this point.
• 1:17:28
  But the machine learning,
• 1:17:30
  when you're talking about the other part of AI,
• 1:17:32
  When it is able to get out to the rest of the world via the internet, like actually get access, what's going to stop it from trying to rewrite these LLMs to work for them?
• 1:17:44
  Yeah.
• 1:17:45
  We don't know.
• 1:17:46
  And so I agree with you.
• 1:17:48
  I'm just throwing out these what ifs.
• 1:17:50
  I'm not trying to fight, John, because I do agree with what you're saying.
• 1:17:53
  But at the same time, it's like we're dealing with something that we're trying to play God to a degree.
• 1:18:00
  we're inventing something that may be our own downfall.
• 1:18:03
  Could be. I don't know.
• 1:18:04
  Could be.
• 1:18:05
  But when you're trying to implement something that,
• 1:18:08
  like you said, there's different versions of AI.
• 1:18:10
  We have the aggregator that we all use
• 1:18:12
  where we ask Google,
• 1:18:14
  hey, how much water do I put to a cup of rice, for example?
• 1:18:18
  Oh, I'll find that.
• 1:18:19
  And then it'll give you every other example
• 1:18:20
  and recipe and whatever.
• 1:18:21
  That's a simple example, but still, you get it.
• 1:18:24
  Right?
• 1:18:24
  And then we have the machine learning.
• 1:18:26
  Then we have the implementation weapon systems.
• 1:18:28
  Then we have how they're trying to develop AI to become, I don't know, something they can use to fight wars with rather than humans.
• 1:18:36
  Oh, okay.
• 1:18:37
  So Skynet is real.
• 1:18:38
  So they are doing this.
• 1:18:39
  China's already implementing this into their military.
• 1:18:41
  They literally are already doing this.
• 1:18:43
  They've already announced it.
• 1:18:44
  It's happening.
• 1:18:45
  So when this gets access to the World Wide Web, it gets out there.
• 1:18:52
  Again, what's going to stop it from manipulating the LLMs?
• 1:18:55
  What's going to stop us from manipulating everything else that's considered dumb and rewriting those programs to benefit it?
• 1:19:01
  So how are we going to keep these guardrails in place is going to be the question.
• 1:19:04
  Do we need them?
• 1:19:05
  But how are they going to be implemented?
• 1:19:06
  And that's what I think what people are wondering.
• 1:19:08
  Data centers, I think are spot on.
• 1:19:10
  I think it's a resource issue.
• 1:19:12
  I think it's an issue of I don't want my water to be tainted.
• 1:19:15
  I don't want the grid to be stressed.
• 1:19:18
  And honestly, I don't want to lose community.
• 1:19:20
  I don't need to see every inch of America urbanized for data centers.
• 1:19:23
  I still want grass and trees, for example.
• 1:19:25
  I don't want the government to appropriate land because they say we need a data center all of a sudden right in front of my window because that's the only place I can put it.
• 1:19:33
  But there's also solutions, I think.
• 1:19:35
  So if we're talking about data centers, we're talking about taxing the grid.
• 1:19:39
  Like Microsoft just recently signed a long-term deal with PG&E over in Texas to offset some of that power by going direct to the source.
• 1:19:47
  And then I had another guest that brought this up.
• 1:19:49
  What about nuclear substations or mini nuclear reactors?
• 1:19:55
  The junk science around nuclear has been awful.
• 1:19:59
  I talk about it in The Cost of Certainty.
• 1:20:00
  All the junk science, we were so certain that nuclear was the devil
• 1:20:04
  because of Chernobyl or whatever,
• 1:20:06
  that we have lost years of potential clean power.
• 1:20:11
  And we wouldn't even be talking about a grid strain
• 1:20:14
  if we handled nuclear appropriately all the way from the 1950s.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah.
• 1:20:20
  I mean, to your point, Peter Thiel right now,
• 1:20:22
  he just did a $150 million round
• 1:20:25
  for a company based here in Portland
• 1:20:27
  called Pananthasala, some long name.
• 1:20:30
  They're doing data centers
• 1:20:31
  in the middle of the North Pacific.
• 1:20:33
  They're about the size of a football field.
• 1:20:35
  All the chips are in with a ball and chain.
• 1:20:38
  And the power is made from harnessing the energy
• 1:20:40
  from the ball going up and down on the waves.
• 1:20:43
  And then the water underneath cools the chips.
• 1:20:46
  That is the market responding to the pushback
• 1:20:48
  we're talking about. I think Elon's talking about putting one in space. So yeah, it is a resource
• 1:20:54
  issue. And we know how to build things right in this country. I think we're being presented with
• 1:20:59
  a false choice. It's either build, give them all the corner cutting, give them all the power,
• 1:21:04
  all the resources and lose to China or stop. And that's not it. It's no, I don't think anyone's
• 1:21:10
  anti I think everyone just wants to make sure that we do it responsibly It not about what we do It about how we do it I think the argument though about the race to win against China is absolutely real Actually I not going to say I think I
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  know it is. I know we're in a race. But what you just said about the market responding,
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  I mean, is absolutely true. I mean, we're talking about cooling systems. If we had to,
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  why aren't we using desalination plants? Or what about the closed cooling systems we have,
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  for example, if we're just talking about NVIDIA,
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  who's really big into this,
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  and their stocks just keep going up
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  because of developing all these processing units
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  for GPUs and whatnot for it,
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  every GPU you get in your computer
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  has a closed cooling system.
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  It doesn't necessarily need fresh water
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  pumped through it all.
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  I don't have a damn hose hooked to my computer right now
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  or my PC.
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  So I think there's ways to make this happen.
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  I'm not smart enough to give the solution
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  because that's not what I do,
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  but I've seen evidence of systems in place
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  designed by smart people
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  that don't necessarily have to tax resources.
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  So it seems like this has become,
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  I think what you said earlier
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  when we're talking about politics
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  has become nothing but podium politics.
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  It's become a talking point
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  to keep people off balance
• 1:22:21
  and to keep them fighting with each other.
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  It's like a sleight of hand
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  because there's something else going on
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  that we're not seeing.
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  There has to be.
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  Look at the direction
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  that all the anti-AI stuff is coming from.
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  It's coming from three main industries.
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  and the only thing they are, it's equalizing gatekeepers.
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  That's why, so politicians are the loudest anti-AI voices.
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  That's a gatekeeper.
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  Hollywood and entertainment, they sell a gatekeeping product.
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  That's it.
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  And news and journalism.
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  And those three industries, it's within their incentive
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  to slow the adoption rate because it's exposing
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  what they're really selling, which is access.
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  And you don't need to sell that when you have technology.
• 1:23:04
  Technology always equalizes.
• 1:23:06
  It's like we all operated under the assumption that taxi cabs were in the transportation business.
• 1:23:12
  Turns out when Uber came out, they were actually in the medallion business.
• 1:23:16
  They were in the tin business, the metal business.
• 1:23:19
  So again, it's exposing these gatekeeper industries and gatekeeper classes, Hollywood, DC, politics, and news and journalism media.
• 1:23:29
  And I think that's when you notice that it all comes from the same direction, it really makes you wonder.
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  because if you look at the people who should have the most fear
• 1:23:39
  about AI coming for their jobs, right?
• 1:23:41
  I just asked this question the other day.
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  Should be software developers
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  because this stuff is coding better than anything, right?
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  Supposedly.
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  And they're adopting it at like 85%, 87%.
• 1:23:54
  They're not anxious about it.
• 1:23:56
  And they're saying that they use it to trust but verify.
• 1:23:59
  Like it comes out and it's almost right
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  and then they have to clean it up at the end
• 1:24:03
  and they're able to do way more for way less.
• 1:24:06
  So the industries that have never really had a gatekeeper
• 1:24:09
  are adopting it.
• 1:24:10
  They're doing just fine with it.
• 1:24:11
  But the fear is always coming from people
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  who sell access, talent,
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  or something that's not the actual product
• 1:24:18
  that they have to gatekeep.
• 1:24:20
  Yeah, I think it's really...
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  I'm going to take a step further.
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  I think it's just making sure
• 1:24:25
  they're staying ahead of the control of information.
• 1:24:28
  Because the same thing happened
• 1:24:30
  when the printing press was invented.
• 1:24:31
  they were scared to death because now everyone can print books at mass scale we don't have to
• 1:24:37
  rely on some trained scribe who can translate for you and print it exactly how it needs to be printed
• 1:24:44
  with oversight right so right maybe we're we're seeing our own version of the printing press
• 1:24:50
  in our in real time here i don't know maybe maybe that may be oversimplifying it but could be you
• 1:24:55
  know i i agree i mean i i use the example all the time it's like when i first started doing this i'd
• 1:25:01
  get interview requests. And I would prepare. If I was going to come on and do your show,
• 1:25:05
  it would take me two days. I mean, I would watch all your five episodes. I would take my notes.
• 1:25:09
  I'd try to go deep into all of that. Now, I've chatted GPT into my email. And when my publicist
• 1:25:16
  books me, I get a notification with two pages already written about who you are,
• 1:25:22
  your last five episodes, who your last guests were, the questions that you asked.
• 1:25:26
  And that isn't me bragging that I have this system.
• 1:25:31
  It's, wow, now I have eight or nine more hours
• 1:25:33
  that I can make more content to help learn
• 1:25:35
  and write more books and do.
• 1:25:37
  So there is a great value to it.
• 1:25:42
  But again, it's understanding and using the tool
• 1:25:45
  to help you instead of hurt you.
• 1:25:48
  Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  No, it's definitely a valuable tool.
• 1:25:50
  I mean, look, we all use it.
• 1:25:51
  I'm guilty.
• 1:25:52
  I use it.
• 1:25:53
  Yeah, yeah, we all do.
• 1:25:54
  I mean, I start every single episode with my news and my thesis, and I go to Claude and I pay for the highest expensive collegiate level research of Claude.
• 1:26:03
  And I say, prove me wrong.
• 1:26:05
  That's my prompt.
• 1:26:06
  And it gives me all the leftist talking points.
• 1:26:08
  It gives me all the issues that would break my argument.
• 1:26:13
  And then I have to fight with it for sometimes three, four hours to get my thesis battle tested.
• 1:26:18
  So there's a benefit, okay, in the podcast world, the way you're using it, the way everyone uses it.
• 1:26:25
  I mean, we could summarize everybody and get an idea of what they're about on paper.
• 1:26:29
  But so far, it's not taking this away.
• 1:26:32
  And that's what I like about having these conversations because we can go beyond what AI just scrapes from the internet.
• 1:26:37
  Now you're testing the person, the personality, how quick they could think on their feet and get to know what they're really about.
• 1:26:44
  And so that's why we need more of this.
• 1:26:46
  I think we're good for the show, man.
• 1:26:49
  I don't want to keep it too much longer.
• 1:26:49
  We've been going about an hour and a half here.
• 1:26:52
  I want you to tell everybody more about where they can find you, etc.
• 1:26:58
  I'm going to go ahead and pull your web up here.
• 1:27:01
  That way we can go ahead and have that discussion.
• 1:27:04
  And so here's your website.
• 1:27:06
  Yep.
• 1:27:06
  ChadParkerLaw.com.
• 1:27:07
  Everything lives there.
• 1:27:10
  The signed copies of the book are on there.
• 1:27:12
  If you want the signed copies, if you want the cheaper one or to do it on Kindle,
• 1:27:15
  Everything else is on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever you buy books.
• 1:27:18
  I have the news that goes through there every day.
• 1:27:21
  News aggregator where I validate all the stories that come through twice a day.
• 1:27:26
  The video podcast is there.
• 1:27:28
  I'm on six nights a week.
• 1:27:29
  Every night at 7 o'clock, I do the show.
• 1:27:32
  They're pre-recorded, but they post at 7 o'clock.
• 1:27:35
  And then we're on all the social channels as well.
• 1:27:38
  So my whole thing...
• 1:27:39
  What channels is your video podcast on?
• 1:27:41
  YouTube and Rumble.
• 1:27:43
  Okay, YouTube and Rumble.
• 1:27:44
  Okay.
• 1:27:45
  Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  And we just got back onto YouTube.
• 1:27:48
  So it's been very, very exciting.
• 1:27:50
  I've spent the last six to nine months
• 1:27:52
  fighting with them over appeals and things like that.
• 1:27:57
  So yeah, but everything lives on the site
• 1:27:59
  and feel free to check it out.
• 1:28:01
  If you're more of a written person,
• 1:28:03
  my sub stack is extremely popular as well.
• 1:28:06
  It's just common sense with Chad Law.
• 1:28:07
  Everything's common sense with Chad Law.
• 1:28:10
  And everything I do is solutions.
• 1:28:14
  Yeah.
• 1:28:14
  podcast. You can listen on Apple, Spotify. And like I said, I never, I try, I always say,
• 1:28:20
  I try to be the Ted Lasso of conservative media. I always want to end with optimism. I always want
• 1:28:26
  to remind people that we're all Americans. We've screwed up way worse than this before and fixed
• 1:28:30
  it. We can do it again. We have the resolve. We have the resources to do it. We're the best
• 1:28:37
  country in the world and we should just all be very proud to be Americans. And every single book
• 1:28:42
  is a hybrid workbook and book.
• 1:28:46
  So like in the Price of Progress, for example,
• 1:28:48
  you can actually take this to one of your county meetings
• 1:28:51
  and put in the budget numbers, the tax abatements.
• 1:28:54
  There's a formula in the back
• 1:28:56
  and you can follow everything.
• 1:28:58
  Tells you all the questions to ask the commissioners.
• 1:29:02
  It gives you tools to determine
• 1:29:04
  whether they're trying to sell you on something
• 1:29:05
  or if they're actually really trying to serve the community.
• 1:29:08
  Everything that I do comes with solutions.
• 1:29:10
  We don't do any doom and gloom
• 1:29:12
  and I always try to provide you with,
• 1:29:14
  even if it's just one additional question you can ask
• 1:29:17
  to try to feel smarter, happier, and healthier
• 1:29:22
  instead of living in fear and angst.
• 1:29:25
  That's my promise to everyone.
• 1:29:27
  I want you to understand more, laugh more, and fear less.
• 1:29:31
  All right.
• 1:29:32
  Anything else you want to add, Chad?
• 1:29:34
  No, I think that's good.
• 1:29:35
  This has been such a great show.
• 1:29:36
  I can't believe we've been talking for an hour.
• 1:29:38
  I feel like we've just been chatting.
• 1:29:39
  I know.
• 1:29:40
  I looked up like, oh.
• 1:29:42
  I wasn't sure what your actual schedule was,
• 1:29:45
  so I just want to make sure I'm not overstepping.
• 1:29:48
  I always offer plenty of padding when I interview
• 1:29:50
  because I love to have these long-form conversations.
• 1:29:53
  I really, this conversation right here and like this
• 1:29:57
  is what's going to change this country.
• 1:30:00
  Yeah, it's what we need to have.
• 1:30:01
  Yeah, talk about real things,
• 1:30:03
  like things that matter,
• 1:30:04
  coming up with possible solutions, et cetera,
• 1:30:06
  not just party politics, identity politics,
• 1:30:09
  any of that BS.
• 1:30:11
  With that, I think I'm going to end it here.
• 1:30:12
  I'm going to encourage everybody to check out Chad's podcast.
• 1:30:16
  Buy his damn books.
• 1:30:17
  Why don't you, huh?
• 1:30:18
  Some good stuff in there.
• 1:30:20
  Also, don't forget to like, subscribe, share this show, turn your notifications, all that jazz.
• 1:30:24
  You know how it works.
• 1:30:25
  And with that, I'm going to say goodbye, peace, good day, good night.
• 1:30:31
  Bye.
• 1:30:32
  Thank you.
• 1:30:32
  Devils hide behind redemption.
• 1:30:35
  Honesty is a one-way gate to hell.
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  Outro Music