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Jaguars Happy Hour | Pete and Tony on Jaguars' Showing in Week 8 vs. Packers · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, October twenty eighth.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour is brought
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  Speaker 3: We're on Tintinxcel, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube are busy.
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  Speaker 1: Two hours ahead.
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  Speaker 3: After the Packers knock off the Jaguars with a field
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  Speaker 3: goal as time expired thirty to twenty seven the final,
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  Speaker 3: the Jaguars defensive issues.
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  Speaker 1: Continue in multiple areas.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to those.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence's performance.
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  Speaker 3: Some good, some not so good, but some good when
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  Speaker 3: it mattered at the end. Injury list growing, of course,
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  Speaker 3: we'll have some updates on some of the injuries from
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  Speaker 3: the game yesterday. Will keep it real with the trade
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  Speaker 3: deadline looming, and then fanatics fan questions that told the
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  Speaker 3: second hour coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear from head coach Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the Jaguars were down tim at the start of
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  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, rallied back and without their top three
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  Speaker 3: starting receivers on the field, they drove down for a
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  Speaker 3: touchdown in their last offensive possession.
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  Speaker 4: Doug Trevor leads the eighty seven yard drive to tie
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  Speaker 4: the game without the top three receivers.
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  Speaker 3: Going into today.
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  Speaker 4: What did he kind of show you there on being
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  Speaker 4: able to guide the team down obviously down his top
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  Speaker 4: three receivers.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think, I think, yeah, he did a
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  Speaker 5: nice job. I gave a credit to those those receivers,
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  Speaker 5: those tight ends in the offensive line, those guys they
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  Speaker 5: made plays for him right now. He made some really
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  Speaker 5: good throws and all of that. But those guys that
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  Speaker 5: were playing at the end of the game, when you're
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  Speaker 5: down up three receivers and and you know you're playing
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  Speaker 5: in your your twelve personnel, uh, for the rest of
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  Speaker 5: the game.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's tough.
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  Speaker 5: But but the guys battled their tails off got us
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  Speaker 5: back to tying this football game with a chance to
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  Speaker 5: you know, potentially win it there late. So hats off
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  Speaker 5: for those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Said coach Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: We welcome in CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco and
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  Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame left tackle Tony BUSSELLI. The
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  Speaker 3: band is back together. Pete, what do you think, how
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  Speaker 3: are you? It's been a while.
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  Speaker 6: I'm outstanding. I mean, uh, look, we're about halfway through
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  Speaker 6: the season and we're gonna start talking to draft.
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  Speaker 3: No we're no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not.
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  Speaker 3: We're not out of the We're not emanatically eliminated yet.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, Pete, you know, don't.
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  Speaker 6: You know why? Well, you know the bottom of the AFC.
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  Speaker 6: You're not gonna be mathematically eliminated for a while because
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  Speaker 6: the bottom is is going to be open for a while.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, are the Colts any good? And they're smack
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  Speaker 6: dab in the middle of it, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: So well, it might take us a little while, maybe
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  Speaker 6: two or three more weeks, and we'll be talking draft.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so well.
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  Speaker 1: Mathematically, no, it's you bring up an interesting point that
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  Speaker 1: adds to the frustration of the year, Pete. We're two
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  Speaker 1: and six and it's not like it's a super strong AFC.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even the Chiefs are undefeated, but they got
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of warts. Now, they have a great defense,
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  Speaker 1: obviously Pastor Mahomes, but Patrick's not putting up great numbers.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're trading for receivers they traded for an aging
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  Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I mean looking for answers the same. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: will you expect it? Guys get old? That's like father
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  Speaker 1: Time is undefeated, and I think, I mean, you look
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  Speaker 1: at where we sit at two and six. It's that's
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  Speaker 1: what's so disappointing, is like, this is not a strong
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  Speaker 1: AFC this year.
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  Speaker 6: Now, No, even in the vision the Texans haven't looked great.
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  Speaker 1: But but I mean, and this is the thing. And
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  Speaker 1: I thought Doug's answer was interesting to me. The question
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  Speaker 1: was about Trevor and he was like, more focused on
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the offense and what they did, which
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  Speaker 1: is fine, I mean bad. Look, well, you can nitpick,
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  Speaker 1: but I think the bigger thing to me was, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he said it last night or maybe I
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  Speaker 1: heard it I'm talking with Bucky, or maybe it was today,
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  Speaker 1: was that the game comes down to making a handful
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  Speaker 1: of plays.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and.
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  Speaker 1: He's right about that. And at the end of the day, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's what Doug saying. He's saying
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  Speaker 1: what you and I have said all along, Pete, is
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  Speaker 1: it comes down to a handful of games. I mean
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  Speaker 1: a handful of plays and you have to make the
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  Speaker 1: plays that matter when they count, and this team would
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  Speaker 1: be five and three if I'm thinking correctly. Is they've
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  Speaker 1: had opportunities. Whether they had the lead in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: quarter and the defense couldn't get a stop, or they
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  Speaker 1: had the ball in their hand with a chance to
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  Speaker 1: win it and they couldn't get it done.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Miami they should have won.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they had the ball in their hands
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game. They could tie game, right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but Miami they should have won. He doesn't fumble
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  Speaker 6: they win that game. They should have won the game. Anywaysland,
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  Speaker 6: they had the ball at the end of the game.
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  Speaker 1: I think they had a chance to go win it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean but again, you can go
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  Speaker 6: back to every game and do that.
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  Speaker 3: But that's my point, Pete.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should be very clear they're two
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  Speaker 1: and sixteen because that's what their record is. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a big should have, could have, would have. My
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  Speaker 1: point is I agree with what Doug said, if you
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  Speaker 1: go make the plays that are there to be made
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  Speaker 1: when you have to make them, or not make the mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: Because as well as Trevor played after the first quarter
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  Speaker 1: and a half, which the offense was abysmal, getting zero
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  Speaker 1: first downs, and then I thought Trevor played. He did
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  Speaker 1: some really great stuff in the second half of that game,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't ignore the fact that two of his
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  Speaker 1: turnovers a bad interception and a awful fumble where you
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  Speaker 1: just cannot allow that to happen. The pick I almost
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  Speaker 1: get because like you can get fooled. That's a good defense.
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  Speaker 6: I mean that not only that on the pick if
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  Speaker 6: somebody was in the wrong place.
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  Speaker 1: But I actually think that Brian Thomas was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: clear that the clear of the safety to hit that.
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  Speaker 1: That's my guess.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know the bottom but I watched it again
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  Speaker 7: because I did watch it, and if he runs a
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  Speaker 7: post corner, he walks in for a touchdown, Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 7: the way they were playing it, the way.
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  Speaker 6: That safety was flat footed right there. If he runs
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  Speaker 6: Adam and runs to the runs to the sideline, there's
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  Speaker 6: not a soul there.
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  Speaker 1: Or if he just runs right by him, he's not
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  Speaker 1: the guy's flat footage.
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  Speaker 6: But he's right, but that guy's that's not the route though.
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  Speaker 1: The route.
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  Speaker 6: I think the route should have been a post corner,
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  Speaker 6: or at least if it's not. They should just design
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  Speaker 6: that play because it's a touchdown. But my point is
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  Speaker 6: you mentioned the fumble. On the fumble, there's two guys
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  Speaker 6: in the same spot too, when he's getting ready to throw.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed that I did.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 1: But here's my point, Pete the interception. Quarterbacks are gonna
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  Speaker 1: throw interceptions, and Pete has always says this, if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna pressure the field, the ball down the field like,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna throw some interceptions. Now hopefully not very many
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully not the wrong time. I get that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying it's okay, but the fumble is inexcusable. You
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  Speaker 1: are backed up. You have to have awareness of the
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  Speaker 1: situation you're backed up. Punting there is fine.
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  Speaker 3: The way he can flip the field too. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: We have a great punter. We have good special teams.
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  Speaker 1: Like sometimes just punting the balls. Okay, Like Pete said,
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  Speaker 1: route mess up so it takes it away. Pressure come
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  Speaker 1: in on a from the inside because off a zone
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  Speaker 1: dog blitz, you're rolling out. Tuck it.
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  Speaker 3: Can't hold it like a loaf.
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  Speaker 1: You can't hold tuck it.
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  Speaker 6: In or take the checkdown or take the check down
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  Speaker 6: the ingram a first down, but he was opened in
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  Speaker 6: the flat.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine, Pete, take the checkdown, or just tuck it
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  Speaker 1: and run, or throw bounds like you're out of the pocket, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: anything but holding it in your left hand, your off
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  Speaker 1: hand getting tackled and it falls out like a loaf
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  Speaker 1: of bread just sitting there.
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  Speaker 6: In the ground.
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  Speaker 1: That's a that's seven points that changed. Now you're down
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  Speaker 1: two possessions.
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  Speaker 6: You can't do that. You still get you still tie
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  Speaker 6: the game.
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  Speaker 1: With So now all of a sudden, it's bad. This
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  Speaker 1: is where I give him credit. It would have been easy.
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  Speaker 1: Doug has also talked about this team not facing or
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  Speaker 1: dealing with adversity very well, Okay, it's a verse. We're
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  Speaker 1: down ten in the fourth quarter against a backup quarterback. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's about as bad. And we'll get to the defense
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  Speaker 1: in a second, because that is got.
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  Speaker 3: A whole segment.
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  Speaker 1: That's a whole another story we got to talked about.
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  Speaker 1: And so but now here's the positive. Quarterback, no receivers. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I was sitting in the booth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is over, Like we're not. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: moved the ball. Great, today. Now we're gonna do without
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  Speaker 1: Christian No, the most dynamics player on our team. To
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Jr. No gave Davis like, Okay, so who
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  Speaker 1: are we throwing the ball to? And you know what
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  Speaker 1: Trevor did? And I know like and Doug talked about
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  Speaker 1: everyone else, but I'm like, I'm gonna like it starts
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  Speaker 1: with the quarterback. You know what the quarterback did and
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  Speaker 1: the line and Doug's right, the line was outstanding. They
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  Speaker 1: protected the receivers, wearying Chris routes, but he was dealing
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  Speaker 1: on target, on time, decisive and decisive is like I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: like right here, run out of the pocket by the
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  Speaker 1: time find it, you know, Ernest in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the field, big play. Like I'm like, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And I'm like, this is good football.
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  Speaker 1: And I hope what I hope is that Trevor, that
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  Speaker 1: offensive line and whoever the receivers are can like take
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  Speaker 1: this as a confidence builders, Like, guys, we're good, we
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  Speaker 1: can do this. Look what we did against a very
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  Speaker 1: good Green Bay defense with backups. With I guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that probably have never been on
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  Speaker 1: the practice field at the same time together in a
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  Speaker 1: two minute situation. Like, that's good stuff, and you know.
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  Speaker 6: It's pretty amazing about it. Well, again, he looked very
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  Speaker 6: comfortable in it, which goes back to my theory. All
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  Speaker 6: the time I knew we were.
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  Speaker 1: Coming he does.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, really, isn't that hard to see? He plays
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  Speaker 6: better in those situations. He's more comfortable. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 6: still he made Strange look like Kelsey at his prime.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he was much more comfortable now. Having said that,
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  Speaker 6: he got away with a terrible throw that Alexander should
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  Speaker 6: have picked and Washington made a good play on in
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  Speaker 6: the end zone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a great job by Parker Washington, like, bail
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  Speaker 1: your quarterback out, fight for the ball.
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
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  Speaker 6: Parker ran some really good routes.
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  Speaker 1: Parker Washington. I'm I'm like, I'm telling you heck of
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  Speaker 1: a draft pick too, I mean, late round pick, year two,
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  Speaker 1: making a difference in teams and if you watch him
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  Speaker 1: when he gets opportunities, he's not a burner, but he
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  Speaker 1: made he runs some really good routes and he's good
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  Speaker 1: with the football after he catches it. Okay, Brenton Strange.
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  Speaker 6: The seam throwed a Strange down the field that let me.
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  Speaker 1: Tell you what about Brown Strange, Like we draft like
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  Speaker 1: when he was the second rounder last year, I was
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  Speaker 1: and we drafted him and he got he did nothing
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  Speaker 1: for us and he just wasn't a part. Then I
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  Speaker 1: think he got hurt. It was just like like, oh gosh,
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  Speaker 1: Like and you know how I feel about meeting offensive linemen.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, anytime we get a I pick, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: we need big guys. But anyways, you come into this year,
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  Speaker 1: Brent Strange is the best bloker on the team, the
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  Speaker 1: best blocker. The dude finishes everything plays with extreme effort.
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  Speaker 1: And then to see him in the passing game the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks making some plays and how about
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  Speaker 1: the run after the catch, he looks like I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was Mark Bivaro running over people over and so like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sugarcoat and saying, oh, it's so positive,
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  Speaker 1: because it was an utter disaster losing to a team
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  Speaker 1: at home who literally had a one legged quarterback for
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  Speaker 1: the first half and we couldn't even get close to him.
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  Speaker 1: And you had a quarterback in the second half. How
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  Speaker 1: many attempts did they have? Four attempts. In the second half,
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  Speaker 1: JP throw the ball and they ran it right down
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  Speaker 1: your throat and offensively, you know what you did? You
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  Speaker 1: help them by turning the ball over and giving him seven.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's bad football and that.
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  Speaker 6: The offense took a while to get going terrible the
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  Speaker 6: first quarter and half, Trevor looked bad. In the first corner.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
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  Speaker 6: He was high, he was long striding. Again, it just
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  Speaker 6: didn't look there was no rhythm to it.
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't run the ball. What is the barn? But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, I couldn't. I mean I'm not throwing high
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  Speaker 3: like I mean, it was just not right.
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  Speaker 1: No, this interception we're seeing right there, so like it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those games. It's like, man, we're two and
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  Speaker 1: six disastrous.
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  Speaker 6: Like just see where see where he's running down the
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  Speaker 6: seam Tony the guy kind of squats on the two
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  Speaker 6: of them because they're both right together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's wrong.
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  Speaker 6: He's gotta he's gotta run the post if he goes
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  Speaker 6: to the corner right there, the corner route nobody goes
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  Speaker 6: with him is in the he's in the hole by himself.
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  Speaker 6: He's got a touchdown. It's so easy to see. I
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  Speaker 6: don't if they don't design that play that way, it
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  Speaker 6: should be.
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  Speaker 3: Frustrating.
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  Speaker 6: And so and and that was just a so. I
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  Speaker 6: think somebody miscommunicated there. So, but Truvor shouldn't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's a terrible it's a terrible throw.
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  Speaker 6: Terrible.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the So, this is where we're at Pete
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  Speaker 1: and we got to talk about the defense because this
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  Speaker 1: is not a good team. And it pains me to
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  Speaker 1: say that. And I'm not like, and what do I
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  Speaker 1: mean by that? Because good teams and beat you cover
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  Speaker 1: this league for a long time. Good teams find ways
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  Speaker 1: to win games. Bad teams find ways to lose games.
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  Speaker 1: And right now, the reason I'm saying we're a bad
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  Speaker 1: team because we're two and six, So you are what
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  Speaker 1: your record says you are. But more than anything, what's
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  Speaker 1: why it's a disappointing bad team is because we're finding
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  Speaker 1: ways to lose. We're outside of Buffalo. We just got
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  Speaker 1: blown out of the stadium. Take that off the board.
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  Speaker 1: That happens, But the rest of the year, we are
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  Speaker 1: finding ways to lose. We're finding ways to make mistakes
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  Speaker 1: were extending drives. We're turning it, ohta penalties like just
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  Speaker 1: doing silly stuff, busting yeah, turning busting coverages, Like like.
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  Speaker 3: How about the end of the half.
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  Speaker 1: We are so fortunate we we have a penalty on
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  Speaker 1: a field goal, give an automatic first down and give
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  Speaker 1: the defense credit for coming back out there and getting
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  Speaker 1: you know, three and out and giving offense a chance
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  Speaker 1: to go get some points. But that you can't like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not winning, that's not winning football.
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  Speaker 3: It also cost you forty seconds off the clock, so
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  Speaker 3: they could have got the ball back and gone down
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  Speaker 3: the field in theory, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And went and get a field goal.
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  Speaker 1: They got a field but everyone said they were moving
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  Speaker 1: the ball. They could have maybe got a touchdown. They
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  Speaker 1: ran out of time time, they couldn't take any shots
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  Speaker 1: because they had no time, no timeouts. They had to
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  Speaker 1: burn timeouts again.
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  Speaker 7: Because I mean, it's definitely look the sloppy football sloppy.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's what's frustrating, because when you get glimpses
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  Speaker 1: of what this team like in the fourth quarter, what
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  Speaker 1: we did offensively with a bunch of guys who are
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  Speaker 1: not in the game plan to come out there and
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  Speaker 1: to execute against a good defense. It almost frustrates you more.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like, man, it'd be better off just not
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  Speaker 1: to think these guys are any good or don't think
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  Speaker 1: we have you know, good coaches or good players or
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  Speaker 1: good people or any like like, it'd be just great
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  Speaker 1: because then it's easy. It's like they stink. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a football team that just is finds ways to lose.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what's so frustrating, I think for everybody involved
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  Speaker 1: in the organization, fans, everyone, We've got plenty to get to.
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  Speaker 6: Yesterday, we got to comment on those words by Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, ye, when we come back and do that, well,
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  Speaker 1: then we'll come back.
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  Speaker 3: We got to get to the defense though, when we
• 16:51
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  Speaker 8: This definitely hurts right now. Uh, you know, we had
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: every opportunity to win this game, and you know, again
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: it comes back down to those you know, those those
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: those little those little mistakes for I don't know what happened.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: On that last play.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I think.
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: SI got hurt or something, so hopefully he's he's feeling
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: all right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: But you know this, this one's definite.
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: Gonna hurt because I feel like we had a great
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: game defensively, special teams, offensively. You know, I think we
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: all made big plays when when we needed it the most,
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: but we didn't, we didn't get this victor.
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  Speaker 6: So you know that on this one really hurts.
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  Speaker 1: I hope I'll be there for a little bit, obviously
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• 19:20
  Speaker 6: You know what, Tony, I was gonna say, you should
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: do it on a game where they could probably have
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: a good chance to win the game, And I go
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: through the schedule and I go, well, that would be
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: really late in the season. I think against the Titans maybe,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, you can't wait that long.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Titans are bad.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Oh they're really bad. But I mean, but I mean,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: you look, what's the home game is they could win?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Right, what we have? We have Minnesota left, we have
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Texans left, we have Jets, Jets, Titans. That's the four, right,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the four.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen there, every game's winnaball.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the NFL. It's we saw the Patriots look
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: so bad last week. A Gats Jacksonville beat the Jets
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: this week.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every game is winnaball.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Beat the Ravens.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And it goes back to what we talked about the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: last segment. Pete, we're gonna talk about defense now.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Before we get the defense, I want to go back
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: to that comment from Okay, go ahead, which one the
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: one off the top Doug Peterson. Yeah, when when Hayes
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Carline asked him that question about Trevor driving the ball
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: down the field and he kind of just glossed over
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: the stuff that Trevor did and went right to the
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: other guys and alarm alarms go off. In my head
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: because on the cynic anyways, and I think alarms have
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: gone off in other people's heads as well. Is there
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: a problem with the coach at quarterback relationship? Now as
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: a guy who covered a coach quarterback relationship that was fractured,
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: and I wrote about it and it ended up helping
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: men some of that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Why to say Pete is like, what is.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: The well back in the sothing me give a little
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: context here, Tony knows I'm right on this one. There
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was a there was a game, I think it was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in ninety nine, Titan Rain, and what happened was we
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: were going to go. We were on the doorstep, like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the four yard line, I think, to go win the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: game and ended and uh, there's a chance we would
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: have gone undefeated, like because we only lost twice. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: this was early in the season. And I was mad
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: about the call that and Tom was it was a throw.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We just went from the ten to like the three
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: or four whatever it was running the ball. So it's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: second and goal from the four. I'm like, let's run
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it again. I mean, I'm a knucklead offensive limons. I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: always want to run it. And Tom, this is the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: year Tom's calling plays just too. We have no we
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have an offensive coordinator. But Tom is calling plays and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Tom calls a naked bootleg and Mark throws a pick
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to be to end the game.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: And then they took the safety and they.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Took Yeah, but that was the game.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It was over, and it would have been left naked
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: bootleg naked.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was naked. It was naked left. So he
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: faked the zone to the right, he naked left and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: he threw I don't even know who picked it or
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: what the situation was a pick, And I'm pretty sure
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Tom said something in the postgame press conference with Tom
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: never did like it was very out of character for Tom. Pete,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Am I not right about that? Like Tom would never
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like call out individual like he called the team because
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it was all about team. And I don't know, I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: can't even remember what the comment was, but I remember
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it being controversial because everyone's like ooh, like that was
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: not like Tom and Pete in all his glory and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: with it like a little kid running downstairs.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Story, You're you're giving half the story again.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: No, that's all that's I'm telling.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: That's all I really remember. Beating people the rest of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the story I'm just giving the back. I'm just giving
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the background because it was it was definitely noisy in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the locker room because of what was said. Okay, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that's all I first, I'm being honest, that's all I remember, honestly.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Okay, First off, it was pouring.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Pouring, it was like down was like a monsoon.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: That's kind of what happened with the throw. It was
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: like kind of like it was ugly because he kind
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: of slips out of his hands. He should have called
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: that play. But he comes in there and he kind
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: of calls out Brunell. But the next day he brings
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Brunel into his office and further calls him out.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Remember now that you say that I do. I did
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: not remember that. I really didn't.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: And so that's where the genesis of that whole thing
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: really took off. And when it took off, of course,
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: naturally I get wind of it. So I get a
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: story and I have this I'm gonna write this story
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: that there's a quarterback situation with the head coach, and
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: the newspaper at the time said, you can't write it
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: unless you get more sources on it. Well, I got enough.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: They wouldn't let me make a headline out of it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: I ended up writing a column about it. And that's
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: when Coughlin came out in Pittsburgh and kind of came
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: out screaming at me. And so that can we.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Just be clear, though, Pete, that was only one of
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the times that Couughlin came and yelled at you, because
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I can remember several times in the hallway, Tom chasing down.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: This public in front of other people in your room
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: and so and so. So that was that quarterback coach
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: relationship at the time was not great. They kind of
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: mended that and Mark, you know, over the years, Mark
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: has nothing but the ut.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Mark loves Tom. Tom loves Tom, and Tom loves Mark.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and and they should. But at the moment
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: it wasn't great. And so I sense when I hear
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Doug gloss over his quarterback going what was he eight
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: of ten on that drive? Throwing to guys in new
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: spots and playing wide receiver who weren't there before, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: he just glosses over it without really saying anything. My
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: radar goes up and all of a sudden, I'm saying
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: to myself and I know others around the city are
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: saying the same thing. Is there a problem with the
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: coaching quarterback? And it's not the first time we've heard that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it on X because I didn't see
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it live. I saw it on X and someone was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: making a similar comment to what Pete's saying. I'll be Anesha.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I listened to it. Yeah, I mean, I guess you
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: could like after I'll say this. If I would have
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: heard it without the commentary Pete just said or the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: ex commentary, I probably wouldn't have thought much of it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I can see what he's saying. I don't take it
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that way from Doug because that doesn't that doesn't fit
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: kind of who I've seen Doug b over the last
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: two and a half years now. I think Doug was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: just so frustrated, Like my sense Pete, it's not about
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I think he's frustrated with the quarterbacks turnovers. I think
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: he's frustrated about the defense not getting stopped. I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: he's frustrated about prestat penalties. I think he is so
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: frustrated that he's like, yeah, the quarterback, Yeah, He's like whatever,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and his thinking is, wait a second, I'm so mad
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: at the quarterback for fumbling on the five yard line
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and giving up seven. I have no energy right now
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to say anything positive.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: That's my Takeak.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: But again, Tony, that goes back to the stuff with
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Mark Mark through the interception and he kind of laid
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: him out for it and without giving him credit for
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: what he did on that drive, you kind of lay
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: out you're laying the blame on him for the loss
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: and not giving him credit for bringing him back to
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: where they were twenty seven to twenty seven. That's all
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: I'm saying.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm pete. I'm not going to argue with you.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I get your perspective. I'm just me listening to it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, maybe I would have said it differently,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: When you had a different talk earlier in the season
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: about a kind of aship we did.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because I think there was another press conference.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Your spidy senses were going off for that too, as
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: far as like, wait a second, something's going on here.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Remember when when Trevor after think it was the Browns game,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: came out in the press conference and started kind of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: talking a little differently about hey, we not like ripping
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: into guys, but it was a little out of Trevor's
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: normal character. You know, here's my take around that. Maybe, Yeah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: here's my take. Yeah, I think you're right.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: JP. Here's my takeaway about it all. Guys, when you're losing,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: everything is wrong. I mean in the NFL, when you're losing,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: everything is bad. Everything is wrong. Everyone's the blame. I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: mean everybody is. And what happens is for in the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: media and shows like we do, and in the fan
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: base and everything else. Everybody is looking for a solution.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And so every problem, even if it's a small one,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: they're trying to find. It's like, oh, there it is.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: That's it right there. It's a quarterback quoture relationship, or
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it's this, or it's that, and sometimes it's everything. Sometimes
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of things. And I have rarely seen
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: in the game of football, whether it's a game, an organization,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the culture of the organization, whatever you want to say,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: where it's there's one magic bullet, like if we just
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: do this, everything's in a fix. If we can just
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: like to Pete, and I know Pete's genuine about this,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Like Pete has said multiple times on this show, they
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: need to play faster. If to play faster, everything's gonna
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: be great, And I'm like, eh, maybe maybe better. Maybe
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: maybe if you play faster than your defense is on
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the field. Fair. But if you maybe, if you play faster,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the defense is out there more and our defense can't
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: handle that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't be out there along either, because you have one.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: Your defense plays with the lead.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe, But that's you're making my point, Pete. I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we're all searching for answers and we all have opinions.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: My opinion, it's not one thing. I think it's several things.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And I just don't take much about the coach saying
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: nice things are un nice things, however you want to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: take that SoundBite. I just don't think that's why we're losing.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: All Right, We've got to come back. We've got to
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: get to the defense.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Defense next, We've got to go defense defense.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: There's so much defense to talk about.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: Yes, there is a whole lot.
• 29:52
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• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Is it the execution by the players?
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: You know, I would say it's a little of both
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: right now. And look, bottom line is sometimes and I'm
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: not saying this is the this is the case, but
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't want to do too much on
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: the field, right You don't want to take things in
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: your own hands and think you got to do somebody else.
• 30:54
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• 30:59
  Speaker 5: job and and we'll be fine. And when the when
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: you see the good out there, that's what's happening. All
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: eleven are playing is one. But sometimes there's you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: every now and then you get the one guy that
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe's out of his gap or does something
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: a little bit different or forgott an assignment or something
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: like that, and it hurts us.
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  Speaker 3: defense gave up thirty yesterday.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Fourteen of those were on short fields after the giveaways
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: by the Jaguars, of course, but they they happened. There
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: were some moments where okay, they held him to field goals, fine,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: but boy in the big moment at the end breaks
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: open for the big pass down the field, and uh,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: you know, Andre cisk I Guess was cramping. He said
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: on the play. You know that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I remember you said it on the air, you said, hey,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: on that play.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Anyway, he got picked.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: He got picked like he was beat before any cramp
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: ever happened. According to the to be honest.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: With you, Tony, he was beat before any pick happened.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Well because a leak.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: There's a leak, and they hit him very well as
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: in the slot there.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: It's a great play call. What I don't understand not
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. So maybe there was a I'm just watching
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the tape. We had at least nine guys maybe ten
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: in the box, and part of me, I guess, understands
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it because they're afraid of Josh Jacobs running the ball
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: down their throats like he did the previous drive or.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Two drives earlier, or the quarterback holding it and going
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: or the.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Quarterback holding it. But I guess my philosophy would be
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: is like like not I'm not saying play super soft,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but you can't let anything get behind you, like force them.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Like if you beat us with a minute whatever that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: was on the clock, minute thirty at that time, I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: think something like that, and you could run the ball
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: down the field at four yards a clip and beat us, okay,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: like you can like but or if you can beat
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: us with Malik Willis completing and you know, five or
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: six passes and getting down in field goal range.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, remember they started the drive of the four yard run.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: So they run the clock and then it's one thirteen
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: pass hits.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you just can't.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: Well, well, here's the other part of that too. They're
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: playing man the man and and and that's one thing.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: The one thing he can do is take off. Yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: your back, that's what I'm going to get. We saw
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: that earlier in the game. It was just a bad
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: call on defense. I mean, look at the look at
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: the linebackers off that play action.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: They were playing run first, like, I get it, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: they all have to turn and have their backs to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the entire thing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: Did you see?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I saw it. I don't understand, Like one, I do
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: understand playing man in that situation like play zone, keep
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: everything in front of you, keep eyes on the quarterback,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like come up, hit tackle like.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Four time packers have left two yeap too. But yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: but you still make them go get the field, go
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: earn it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, make them like use their timeouts early, come up
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and tackle right like if Malik Willis beat you, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: throwing four or five passes down the field, Okay, tip
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: your hat and like go home.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: What yard line was that was?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: That place started on the third thirty thirty yard line
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: with his drive shorter than that play was thirty thirty four.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: Okay, so thirty four. So does to say he gets
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: you know, a ten yard or an incomplete, an eight
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: yard or nine yards, we can get a first down,
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: you're still gonna be kicking a forty five fifty yard
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: field goal to win it rather than point blank range
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: to win it. So, yeah, I'm with you, Tony. If
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: he if he does that, he's earned he's earned it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Sure, I get it. But to play man with like
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Cisco was three four yards off the line of scrimmage
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: in the wash and watching the tape. Unless he cramped
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: before the snap, it was.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Going down and he was already five yards will like,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: he wasn't covering him if he was Week one, perfect health,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: no heat, nothing, But he wasn't.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: Covering him if he doesn't get picked either, because I
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: know a lot of people pointed out the pick. He
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: was beat by the time he got picked.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Well by the way he got picked by his own guy. Yeah,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: he got it was over.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: It was that guy leaked out. He didn't pay attention
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: to him. He leaked out, and off he went. It
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: was a great play call by the Packers, and and
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: and poor execution and park defensive call by the Jaguars.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: All right, that was the surprising part of it is
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: they called him in man. How would you think, I mean,
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: you would think that they wouldn't be playing man and
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: that play wouldn't work in that situation.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: It did. That was the key moment of the game, clearly.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And the field goal came right after that. But earlier
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: in the game, the Jaguars were playing against a one legged.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Quarterback and we couldn't get to him.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: They had one quarterback hit in the first half of
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: the game when it was clear he couldn't move. He couldn't.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: He could, It was painful for him to hand the football.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: He could not move. He on the first drive, on
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a third down, he's rolling to the right. He tries
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to throw it back to the middle of the field.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: The guy's wide open. He missed him, and on that
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: throat it was Jacob's. He clearly pulls his groin and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he limps off the field. For the rest of the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: first half he is limping around and trying to make
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a go of it, and I'm like, let's go, like
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: come after him, and kid him and make him like
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: he can't move and we couldn't get to him. They
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: blitzed a little bit, right, but they couldn't get to him,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and that didn't even get hold. And then in the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: second half, like okay, but the defense like, okay, give
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: it thirteen points. Hung in there. Yeah, sure, sure got
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to turn over in the game. Okay, it's not great,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: but like we're right in the game with the offense
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: playing just pitiful for a quarter and a half, so
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like tip your hat, all right, we're all right, We're fine.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Second half comes, he tries to start two plays, he's out.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Just yeah, those to play at Traylon hit him kind
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: of in the back.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: And he can't. He can't even he can't protect himself.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: He's done. He's get out of there. And so the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: rookie comes, i mean not the rookie, the backup quarterback
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: comes in week Willis, and right away I'm like, this
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: dude can't, like he can't operate the offense that Jordan
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Love does because he's not the thrower. He's not a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: great thrower of the football, not super accurate. And I'm like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: all right, let's just stop the run. Stop the run.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Force him to beat you. We do it fine in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the first series, get off, we go down to score
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen. I'm like, there we go. The drive that
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: just killed me was they get the ball and they
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: go seventy six yards.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: All run.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: They had one called pass play that as soon as
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the first guy's not open, we're in man and we're
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: in man and he runs and there's nobody there.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: He could have thrown it, by the way, he had
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: a guy wide open.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I know there, but he doesn't want to throw it right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Here's the play list of that drive. Eight plays, eighty yards.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It was Jacob's with the middle for five, Jacobs with
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: the middle for four, Jacobs up the middle for two,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Jacobs with the middle for five, Wilson up the middle
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: for one. Willis passed short left to Wicks for five.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So they had one pass. Willis scrambles right, I mean
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: scrambles right end for twenty and then Jacob's at the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: middle thirty eight yards touchdown. That was the drive.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: How many throws passes did he have in the second half.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I want to say it was four.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I thought Elak Willis had four or five passing in
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the game. So yeah, So that was all in the second.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Half, so he had five They threw the ball five times.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: That's amazing.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: By the way, which which hockey lines were on the
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: field during that drive? Who was who was rotated in?
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: Who came over the boards to get in in the
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: rotation on that that that drive where they all involved,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: they take the starters out. Who was in in that drive?
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: It's amazing.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I've stopped trying to figure out who's playing when and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: why and how and what I have. I don't understand
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the rhyme, and I can't figure out if there's any
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: rhyme or reason to our substitution pattern.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: JP, you got the snap counts there?
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Do? I? Yeah? I do.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Give me the defensive snapcounts because this is like you're
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: gonna go through these, you to go, what all?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Right? Here we go.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: We gotta do this pretty quickly here, because they break
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: defensive snapcounts Tyson Campbell ninety nine percent, Savage ninety nine percent,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Cisco ninety four percent, a Luik and sixty four snaps
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: out of seventy. So that's ninety one percent.
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: Coming back off in off injury.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: That's okay, that's more than normal actually for him, right,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Josh heinz Allen sixty snaps out of seventy, Jarian Jones
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: fifty eight snaps, Trayvon Walker fifty four snaps, Devon Hamilton
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: forty seven, Monterrek Brown forty five, Ventre Miller the linebacker
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: forty one snaps, Led Beetter forty on the D line,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd thirty nine snaps at linebacker. I wen't keep
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: going town. That's enough.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you see, you see the point there. And
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: then how many did Prince play?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Prince played seventeen snaps at the corner.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: And that's because Darby got dinged.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, that's the mainly one.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Unless yeah, I don't know.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: I didn't have three other corners though they have. They
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: have Brown, Campbell and Jones. So if they, I swear,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: if they had two more corners soon up, they'd all
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: play fifteen. I just for the life of me, I
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: can't figure it out. I don't understand it. I never will.
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: It's you know, and if I'm not mistaken in one
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: of the in the key drive at one point, the
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: two best pass rushers on on the field together.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the frustrating thing is is
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you can't get to you have an injured guy that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: you know is injured, you can't you don't find a
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: way to get them to them. Okay, but you get
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: a turnover, you manage, you're in the game. Now you
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: have the backup in. You know, he like they're changing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the offense because they're just gonna run the ball. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: so again, not a defensive coordinator, but I know enough,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like okay, like we understand what we're dealing with. Let's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: adjust accordingly. And and at the end of the day,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: we couldn't get the stops, and we couldn't get the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: stops when it mattered, and the last drive giving up
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a big play was the one thing you couldn't do,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: and we did it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Let's come back coming up in the second hour and
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: just a little bit. We've got fanatics, fan questions. It's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: a little bit away. We're gonna keep it real. With
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the trade deadline looming, everybody's looking for everybody's looking forward
• 42:59
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• 43:01
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• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Keep it real. We haven't done that yet, Pete. In
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the first hour.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: We don't keep it We don't ever keep it real,
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: do we.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: No, we don't know, we don't no never. You know, Hey,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the punter had a good game, Pete.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: Whenever you're talking about your punter, that means you had a.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Bad Day's exactly the truth, right, That's what it is.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: If you're if you're raving about your punter, you're having
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: a bad day.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot of years when we've raved about
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the punning.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's a good punter, but you don't everyone
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: you don't want to see.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Him, No, see him in the Pro Bowl. That's fine?
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right, and so yeah, look, JP the defense has
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: interior defensive line issues that manifest itself in a lot
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: of ways. They get no inside pressure at all, they're
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: not great against the run, and they get pushed around.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: There are actually plays when you watch that yesterday, where
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: the double team takes it both tackles and moves them
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: four yards off the ball at the snap. There are
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: skates and that can't happen.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Who was on the Jags D interior D line.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: On a couple of those plays, Tony, those guys got blown.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: The double team took them so far off the ball,
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: Like right at the stat they're off the ball, they're
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: getting on skates, and then you can't get the linebackers
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: can't get to them.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Well how many yards they rush for? Right?
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Well, when you give up one hundred and seventy yards
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: rushing pet that means you got physically beat.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: The Willis was the Willis? Yeah, okay, take that off.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: If you get up, if you give up one hundred
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and fifty, especially when for half the game you know
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: they don't want to throw the ball in the first
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: half the game. You know they got an injured quarterback
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and you give up one fifty. It means you got
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: physically beat at the point of attack. That's what that means.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: You watch the tape, right, Yes, Hamilton actually made a
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: couple of plays in the run game. Sure for a
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: group that was getting blown off the ball. He actually
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: made a couple. The problem is nobody wins right at
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: the point of attack. And get what was the last
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: time you saw a guy stuffed in the backfield who
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: wins is one on one gets off of it and
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: gets into the backfield and stuffs him.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Trayvon got on the Jets weeping
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: on the inside. Yeah, you don't see that bury.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Off, No, not often.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You see it from You see it from Josh and
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Trayvon at times, Like Montera Brown is a good tackler,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: he comes up off the times. Yeah, yeah, to your point,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: not much, Pete.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah. And and that's you see. You watch tape around
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: the league and other teams, and there's always a couple
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: of plays where a guy knife's through and makes him
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: play in the backfield from the from his inside of
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: the defense, and it's just it doesn't happen And the
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: second round, Picks.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Sitting on his ass. We're back in a moment. Second
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: hour of the program coming up. We will keep it
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: real as we always do. Plus the fanatics, fan questions.
• 46:54
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• 46:57
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• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Had a good start. First down, you know, we're what
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: a six seven yard completion now first down to tank
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: and then two incompletions. I mean, those are just things
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: we've got to continue to look at and and you know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: it's just it's just that execution part, right, and then
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: as coaches making the decisions and the type of calls
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: that we're making, and you know, just look at it
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: and make sure we're doing the right thing there. And
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: but again it you know, it took us into the
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: second quarter against New England to get going, and it
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: took us about to the fourteenth play of this game,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: you know, to get us going. So you know, that's
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: something we've got to look at and really make make
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: an emphasis of, you know, starting like the way we
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: finish that would be that would be ideal, you know
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: as we move forward.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: It certainly would.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: That's head coach Doug Peterson and welcome pack it's the
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour. It It's presented by
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Mister Chubby's Wings before the game, after the game, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: during the game. We're on Tentenexlam, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: j P Shadrick, Tony Vasselli, Pete Prisco. The Jaguars overcame
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: two different ten point deficits in the game, including one
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: inside of two minutes, but lost in a field goal
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: as time expired thirty to twenty seven of the green
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Bay Packers. Brandon McManus, of all people, hit the field
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: goal at the end. The Jags defense struggled against the
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Packers running game at one hundred and seventy yards on
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: the ground for green Bay, and they failed to get
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: consistent pressure on the Packers quarterbacks, including one playing on
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: one leg. The injuries piling up. Three starting receivers left
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: the game, did not return. The starting left guard left
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: the game, did not return. The starting right guarden left
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: the game. He did come back. The starting corner didn't
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: come back in the game. There was a long list yesterday.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Two costly Trevor's turnovers led to fourteen Packers points, but
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: the Jags drove the field for that game, tying touchdown
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: with two minutes to play in the game, with the
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: big play aloud by the Jags defense led to the
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: field goal. The Jaguars are now two and six. They're
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: headed to Philadelfia now this week for a game that
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: was flexed out of Sunday Night Football, and it's now
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: a four h five kick for the Jaguars and Eagles.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: And the tough stretch continues NFC contenuers coming up at
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: the Eagles home against the Vikings, at the Lions before
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: the bye week, and then the Texans come to town.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: That's about it tonight, I think.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we So it's a stretch of five
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: straight playoff teams.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all five with winning records or playoff caligary teams.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Brutal, brutal pete is it? It's brutal when you're not
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: when you're two and five or two, and we're two
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and five going into it. But if you were, if
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you'd have been five and two, you're like okay, like
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like if you consider yourself one of the upper rational
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: hant teams, like those are the teams you gotta go beat.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're to win every one of them.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But that's what that's the NFL.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: And to be honest with you, up until this past week,
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: there were questions about the Eagles. They look good on
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: Sunday against the Bengals, but there were questions about him.
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: The Texans haven't looked as good. The Vikings have suddenly
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: come back to reality a little bit. So, yeah, it
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: doesn't look as daunting, but when you're not very good,
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: everything looks daunting.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: That's my point. That's exactly right. And you know, the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Eagles were two and two going into their by. They've
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: won three straight. If if I got the math right,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: is that right?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: It's correct?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so and it looks like they're getting better,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: they're getting healthier, they're I think their left tackle is
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: still on ir he is, but they got a good
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: offensive line, they got good skill the you know quarterback
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and beat you with his arm and his legs. And
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: then defensively they're starting to play better as well. They
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of town on that side of the ball.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: So they're a good football team. But you can say
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: that most weekends you're playing.
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: And you gotta yeah, nless, it's like Carolina.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. There's only a handful of like teams
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that are really, really, really bad. I mean even the Patriots,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: who we didn't think was were very good, went and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: found a way to win a game against the Jets. Okay,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: they did, and that's the NFL. And and we got
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: we have to go find a way to go beat
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: a good Philly team and you're gonna probably go up
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: there down some guys. But that's also part of the NFL.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: By the way, we mentioned the laundry list of injuries
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: and Doug Peterson did update some of those today. Brian
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Thomas Junior talked in the locker room said he should
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: be trending the right way. That was echoed by the
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: head coach. So that's positive with a chest injury kind
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: of like even.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: Though there was a report out there that said he
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: was going to miss two to four weeks, which is
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: and then Mike Derocco kind of talked to him and said, no,
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: that's not the case.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was standing there when he said it and
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: said it's not the case at all. He's planning on going,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: so we'll see. Christian Kirk's Dunn gave Davis should be
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: okay moving ahead, just had lost feeling and couldn't get
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: it back during the game with a shoulder issue as
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: a Cleveland ankle ankle and day to day. According to
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: the head coach Brandon Sheriff sore, he's a tough guy,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: That's what he said about him. Darby's day to day
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: with a hip injury. So there you go.
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: So how will they start when they're in a three
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: receiver group next week?
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I think I think it's Thomas, assuming Gabe Davis comes
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: back and Thomas come back, it's Gabe Davis, Parker Washington,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: and Brian Thomas Jr.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: Correct. Okay, so what if Gabe Davis isn't back. I
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: guess it's gotta be.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: You're probably gonna bring a receiver.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: You're gonna bring a You're gonna bring a receiver up,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Probably Trammels, my guess, maybe Elijah Cooks.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I bet Tim Jones would get to play though.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Tim Jones is probably your guy.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Or you know, some more two tight end stuff.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: I used a lot of that on that last drive
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: because both of them can catch the ball. So you
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: could use that.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could go with Evan and uh and Strange,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Parker Washington and Brian Thomas Jr. As well. It's not
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: a bad group at all.
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you. Parker Washington has been more
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: oppressive than Gabe Davis.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Yeah, Washington opportunities.
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: He's a little bit of a wiggle to him. He
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: can run. He runs. Really his route improvement from year
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: one the year two is amazing.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: He's very quick. I don't think he's fast, but he
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: is very quick. And now when I say fast, like
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: he's relative to the normal human being. He's very fast.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: He's probably a four five, but he's like a four
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: or five. But Brian Thomas fast.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: He looks faster than Gabe Davis.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I probably. I think he probably is.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: But isn't funny. Gabe Davis was once this like vertical
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: threat in the passing game with Buffalo, remember when he
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: went nuts against the Chiefs.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: But but he wasn't he always the second or third guy?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah in Buffalo.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but the you know, every team has a guy
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: like the Packers have Christian Watson, who's a vertical threat.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: That's what he is. That's what gave Davis was kind
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: of perceived as that. Now, he was never truly a
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: clock burner, but he played fast and now he doesn't
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: even play fast. I mean, I think Parker Washington will
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: fill the Christian Kirk role and that's what he will do,
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: and he'll do it well, I think. But you know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: that other spot is still a major concern to me,
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: and it has been all year. Well, you know, they
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: exchanged they exchanged A Jones. No, j Jones had some
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: other issues going on as well, as we later found out.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: But Zay Jones was every bit as good as Gabe
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Davis was.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: And he's faster, Yeah, he's faster, a threat down the field, faster,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: very good blocker, sure, but had some injury issues last
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: year and some other issues.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I think about this Philly game, Pete,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and we just talked about the defense and you were
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: bringing up in the last segment how we got pushed
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: around in the defense a little bit where you're playing
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: another big, physical offense line like some without I mean,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: no Malata, I mean helps, he's the biggest human being
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in the planet. But I mean they are they are sure,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: they are thick and physical inside. One of the best
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: right tackles in football and Lane Johnson, and they like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to run the ball and they got a quarterback and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: run it. And this is where, like Pete brought up
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that Mason Smith was down again this week.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Don't know said it nicer than he did, right, And
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know why was it reported why he was down.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say he got on the report
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: last week.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe, but I didn't want to say it
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: because I can't remember exactly he might have.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: Been on the report. But I don't think that's why
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: he was.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Down, because I had thought he was going to be up,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and I remember getting to the stadium. I was a
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: little surprised that he did.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Not practice with an ankle injury Friday, first time on
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: the report, So I think he got something during the week.
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: Pete, Hey, Mason, you got an ankle injury. Make it
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: look good.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not where I was going with it is you
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: drafted him in the second round to be a contributor
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's usually what second round guys do.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: He's a big body. He's physical. Like, I'm not saying
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: you expected a bunch of pass rush for him as
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a rookie, but you expected that big body to create
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: some problems in the run game and so I think
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: it does hurt having him down non injury related the
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: first two times he was down at least that's what
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: we were told. This sounds it was like it was
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: an injury on Friday because I thought he was gonna
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: be up. But the bottom line is you're not getting
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: production from a guy that you drafted second round because
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: you say, hey, we need to get bigger inside so
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: he can run the defense that we want to run
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and be physical and stop the run.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: And well's Ben is getting now played by his former
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: teammate who was taking what in the sixth round?
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: When was he taken Jordan Jefferson.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean that's that's a bed.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: By the way, I'm not gonna sit here and say
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: that I didn't think the kid was gonna be good
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: because I thought the kid's good. I think the kid
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: has a ton of talent. I really and he still
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: might because well he better you better get it going.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: No, But I'm just saying, listen, I always think it's now.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: The expectation is when you get drafted in the first
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: two rounds that you're gonna come in and contribute. That's
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: why you drafted gout. You contribute, can contribute and you're
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: not gonna go save the day, but you're gonna contribute.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: He's not contributing right now, So that's a loss. That
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't be a good.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Player, correct.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can go down the list of guys
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that have been in this organization since when I was
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: here that got drafted in the first year, You're like, huh,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: and then they get better and they make like they
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: produce well. Just I mean, just like, I'll just say that, like,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: was anyone super high in Parker, Washington last year as
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: a rookie.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Nope, and he got it. He had the knee injury.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: The first.
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: And Strange has gotten better.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: And okay, just so recent history, we have two guys
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: like Strange the second rounder. You wish you would have
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: got production out of him last year as the second
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: rounder didn't work out. Okay, nothing you can do about that.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: He has come in this year and the dude is
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: a dog.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Dog. He is a dog with a.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: W He blocks, he finishes, he's nasty. He's better in
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the past game than I think I thought he was
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: gonna be. And like the run after the catch, he's physical,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: like he brings a different element to the game than
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: a guy like Evan Ingram, who is a move tight
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: end and very good at what he does and very
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: good in the open field. And the catch he made
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: in the end zone, Oh my goodness, what a catch.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Great throw too, great and you know and you.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: Know what though, Tony with that position too, he takes
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: a little time and I'm just gonna go, look, okay,
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: these are the defensive tackles taken in that second round.
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: The guy from Atlanta or Uro, whoever you say his name,
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: he's not playing much. Newton just got back off injury
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: and he's going to be a star for the Commanders.
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: He was taking it in the third pick, number thirty six,
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: sweat for the Titans. Big physical body, he's gonna You've
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: seen him play. He's a big physical guy. He's starting.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Braden Fisk has already done a lot of good stuff
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: for the Rams and star Warers taking it thirty nine.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: And then you get down and you go, okay, well
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: where'd they take Mason Smith at forty eight? And you
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: keep going they could have had like Rose and Garton
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: who starting to right tackle for I mean, look, the
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: fact is you picked him to be a big body
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: defensive tackle. Who contribute this year on a good team.
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: You didn't think he was not going to contribute on
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: a bad team, on a bad defense, and he hasn't.
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: And that's the most disappointing part of it right now
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: for them.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Well, especially when you coming off the heels of a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: game where you knew you had to stop the run,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you knew the quarterback was injured the first half and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: the second half couldn't throw, and you gave up one
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards rushing to running backs another twenty
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to the quarterback.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: How about the other interior guys like Ledbetter, Lacey O
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Tobabo was down yesterday.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: You know, guys, I think you know what they are is.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I think they're solid guys. I don't think.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: Their rotational guys.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I think their rotational I think that's I think that.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: That team and that team they're starting the rotational guys.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: But they play a lot because everybody plays a lot,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: because everybody's in the rotation. That's just the way it is.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys. And then you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: have Eric Armstead, who's not playing really three technique in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: base who is a very good three technique at the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers for his career. Another guy, by the way,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: he started slow in his career, Pete, did he not?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, you it can happen. Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: It was very second round Tony with the idea he
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: would be an.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Immediate I get that. I'm just saying I'm not going
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to write off Mason Smith. I'm gonna say he's not
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: producing this year like you want him to at a
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: position that you don't have any real standouts.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: I just hope it's remember how they always had the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: curse of the wide receiver for a long time until
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: Brian Thomas seems seemingly has broken it. It might be
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: the curse of this the Smith name in the second
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: round for defensive linemen. You know what that is? Going
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: back and I Larry Smith.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: He was a good rotational player.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he was taking when don't you take it
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: in the second round?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't remember.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So I mean, look, Mason Smith should be playing period.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: Get him on the field.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Well, the bottom line is you need I mean you
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: need to now. In fairness, and he was a second
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: round pick.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Larry Smith in.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Fairness though, the curse in the second round Smith in fairness,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: though this team had been pretty good against the run, yeah, right,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: until this week. Now the question is are teams just
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: doing what they want to do, like, hey, we're gonna
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: throw it this time, and they throw it all over
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the art And we had for until the Patriots the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: worst pass defense you.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: Got any grand kids on the way, Tony, because they
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: wouldn't be the curse of the left tackle Biselli.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: No, I do not. And then the Packers when we
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: have to stop the run because that's all they're gonna do,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: especially in the second half, we couldn't stop it. That's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the frustrating part. And that's what has to be just
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: driving everyone crazy.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: They don't get off blocks. They don't get off blocks
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: when they get and you know, Tony, when a guy
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: gets doubled, he's got at least get off of that,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: you know, And they're not getting off of them. And
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: when you don't get off of them, you get back
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: into the linebackers, and it makes this stuff for the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: linebackers to make the nov Then troump Miller made a
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: couple of plays in a run game where he knifed
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: around the side and came in and made some plays.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: But it's just when your defensive tackles are going right
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: back at the line of scrimmage. You're gonna have problems, right,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: You're gonna have problems stopping the run. It's just hard
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: to do. And Green Bay is good at those doubles.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Now, they're a good offensive line. But we're getting ready.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: My point of bringing this up is we're getting ready
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: to play another good offensive line. I don't know about
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: the Vikings. They lost their left tackle for the year.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: But the week after we play the Vikings, you're playing
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: another good offensive line in the in the Detroit Lions.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: And so yes, like there's by the way, the Packers
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: center is not very good and nor has he been
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: very good. There's talk about replacing him, and they still
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: moved him off the ball.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: And so like this week, good offensive line, the d
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: line's gotta show up. Vikings have no idea.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: That's a hard Troit game, and Detroit.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: They're gonna come downhill at you. Yep, So you gotta so.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: And then we're bringing this up is because we have
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: to be better because if you give up one fifty,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to win.
• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:12
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• 1:04:14
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  Speaker 3: after this this Jaguars Happy Hour presented by mister Chubby's Wings.
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  Speaker 5: It shouldn't have necessarily come to that, But again, it
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: just goes back to what I said to right. I mean,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: you never know which two or three plays are going
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: to be the ones that decide football games, and you
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: just gotta be ready to make the ones that come.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: To you and.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Credit them, you know, they hit it and got in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: a position to win a game.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Has Doug Peterson after the game yesterday on the big
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: pass play that set up the game winning field goals
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: time expired the Packers over the Jaguars thirty to twenty seven,
• 1:05:13
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• 1:05:16
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• 1:05:20
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• 1:05:23
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:30
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• 1:05:32
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• 1:05:34
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• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: The tral I need trade deadline is Tuesday, November fifth,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: not tomorrow, a week from tomorrow. It's also election day.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: A lot going on, a lot going on, busy. Should
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars be active or will the Philly game result
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: give you the answer one way or another? Be active
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: in sellers being selling else?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you're you're not buyers at two
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: and six. Hell though, I don't think your buyers at
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: three and six, doude.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: I mean, if the Chiefs called you on Cam Robinson
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: and they need a left tackle in the worst way,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: what would it take to get them from you?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Well, that's another conversation we haven't touched yet. Is the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: offensive line and the left tackle yesterday?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can talk about that in a second. Yeah, Well,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: let's say that, let's pick a team that needs a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: left tackle. Pete the Chiefs, well did the kid get hurt,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: their draft pick.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: He's been benched. They play, they're playing the attention and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: he has about sixty two holding penalties a game. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: he's awful. And by the way, Jawan Taylor and very
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: good either.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: So with Cam and Jawan Taylor as their tackle chiefs,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: or let's say the Vikings who because Derrishaw got.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: Hurt, right and their backups are quizzing Berry and a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: young kid.
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  Speaker 1: So well, here's the here's what we know about Cam.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Cam cleared the protocol. He did and did not start.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: He did not play, did not play, did not start,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: not start. He's been the start of the tackle since
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 6: That's right. I met he was engaged on the sideline
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: and helping the guy who's playing.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Right watching from the booth. So I'm going to just
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: say what I saw publicly because it's all I know.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: It did not look like it to me.
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  Speaker 3: J I was in the building right here across the street,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: so I do not know. And they didn't show him
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: on TV.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just watching it, you know, typically you would see
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: a guy very engaged. Is that like typically what happens
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: in the NFL? Got the backups go stand around the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: coach when they're talking to the starters, because I'd be
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: ready to go and Cam did not. Just from the booth, again,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what the conversation was. Maybe he
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: was told this I have I just watching. It seemed
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: odd that he was not engaged with the other offensive
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: alignment when the coach was sitting there going through stuff,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: because if Walker little would have got hurt or Anton
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Harrison would have got hurt. He was the third tackle
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: because there was no other tack They didn't have anyone
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: else up playing tackle. The three guys that were up
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: in his backups was Fortner Cooper Hodges who had to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: go in and play a little bit of right guard
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: and left guard, and then Cam was the swing tackle.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: And he just didn't see it. Just body language. Watching
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: from the booth, he didn't see him engaged. Take that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: for what it's worth, because who knows what he was told.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: But the way that you know what you know. He
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: was healthy. He was cleared the play and they went
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: with Walker little which Walker.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: Little bit didn't play, didn't play very well.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: So he's coming off a very good game where both
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Pete and I thought he was the best offensive lineman
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: on the field. I still thought he ran blocked pretty well.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: Pete, Yeah he was. He was good in the run game.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I thought he's He had a couple few pass protections
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: where he got beat really quick and created pressure and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: hits on Trevor.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: So guy came underneath him a couple of Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: He got he had, he had. He got beat on
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: the inside move a couple of times. He got beat
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: over the top one time, so to say.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: And Doug was asked about it today. I saw it.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: He said, they're evaluating it. Right.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, he would not he would not put the starter
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: out there for this week at left tackle. Yet he
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: did not put anybody's name. We're going to see how
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: the week goes.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: So question, if you traded Cam Robinson, who would your
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: third tackle be?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: What gosh, I need the Ross draft pick? No, no, no, no,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: it's uh give me seven. Thank you for seven cold
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Land who had a very good preseason. He'd beat her swing.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: So here's a question, is well, because here's the thing,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think Cam, Like this is Cam's last year
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: in his contract.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Too, He's not coming back.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's coming back regardless.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: Of course not because why not get.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Some that's my point. So, like, if you know the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: fact the season hasn't gone the way you wanted it
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: to and whatever happens Sunday happened. If someone calls and says,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: we'll give you a mid round pick, I think you.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Do it because what's he going to you?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: If you lose something? You could get compensatory pick for
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: him too.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think I think it has to be
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: a third round or higher because you're gonna get a
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: third round compensitory pick from it for.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: You sign a bunch of guys. Huh. If you don't
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: sign a bunch of guys, you know how that works.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit like and maybe you know
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: better than I do, but that whole compensatory is formula.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit of like advanced algebra or calculus
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: that you got to figure out.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: And nobody knows it really.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: Okay, So if you could get if you could get
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: a four for cam Robinson, would you do it?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I would want to understand the math of what, because
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: what is it? What what do I have to do
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: to get a third in the off season for losing them?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: And based on that then I wanted three or four
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: or for him.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, So I mean, and if you're the Chiefs
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: and your left tackle has been a Grade A disaster
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: much like it was a year ago, and the reason
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: you can't throw the ball down the field consist is
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: because he can't stand in there and take the time
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: to do it, don't you make a move to go
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: fix that? Is doing that?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Is Cam fixing that?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cam like, yes, fit, Cam's much better than yeah,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Cam's like Cam's a good passwalker. I'm not saying he's,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you know, all pro or he's a good pass balker.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: He he improves that offensive line the moment he gets
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: there without a doubt, without a doubt.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: And he costs what his base salary is sixteen point
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: two whatever is left.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: On that got to pay half of it.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: And but what's the cap situation for the Chiefs? Can
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: they make it work?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: All they have to do is Fit in the rest
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: of his season.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying they fIF eight million.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: In the in the k today, Josh, they can make
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: it work.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: So I think that's that's one. Who else would be
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: a trade possibility on this roster.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: Would have been? I think Kirk would have been if
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: he had been healthy.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Well that's off the table because he's out for the year.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: What about Uh, the way Bigsby's playing, is he ten
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: a candidate.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: For a I'd listen, Yeah, I'd listen. The problem is
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: what teams need running backs? Okay, I'll give you one
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys. But are they in a position to go
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: make a move?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Are they buyers where they sit right now at three
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: and four?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: So who's who's a buyer that needs a running back?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: And the one thing that if whoever trades for Etn
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: because we took his fifth year, so that fifth year
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: number is what eight or nine million next year?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: For him? So think about that. How about like defensive backs, safeties, Cisco,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: any of those guys last year guys, he's the last
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: year of his deal.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but who what are you gonna trade? He might
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 6: be sitting on the bench in a couple of weeks.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: You're gonna trade for him?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: I'm just asking a question.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there's a market.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a market. Okay, maybe, I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: mean listen, this is why the person asked this question
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: to is Trent. I mean Trent is This is what
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Trent and his team do do all day every day,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: so you know, Pete probably knows, you know, kind of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: what's out there, who needs what at a high level.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: But this is what like, this is why the GM
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: got Trent and the rest of the personnel staff. They
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: understand what teams need, where their gaps are, what we have,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: and if they're going to trade, then you try to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: master the trade. So you know, outside the obvious one
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: being Cam, because we have a left tackle who I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: think is probably a better run blocker than Cam, not
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: as good as pass blocker, who knows if he's going
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: to be back. Both are free agents after this year.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the planet tackle is next year
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: at this point. I'm sure no one's thinking about that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: because no one planned on being two and six either.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: So I think this is where you got to evaluate
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: and and do the math of the compensatory pick and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: what's available, and this is like, this is what you know, Trent.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you is fully informed and understands what teams
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: need and don't need and and kind of what we
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: can get. So we'll see.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: What he does if they don't make a move for anybody,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: If anybody, everybody's still here. Who should start at left
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: tackle the rest of the year depends how you want
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: to play football.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: If you want to be a run first, play action
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: pass team, then I think you probably go with Walker little.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: If you're going to drop back more in playing this
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: situation like that, then you go with Cam. Now, the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: thing about Cam, it's not that Cam can't run block.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I just think Walker is a better finisher and gets
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to the next level. Kim gets well, that's my point,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: So maybe Cam. Maybe this is like, hey, Cam, like,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: we're gonna make you the starter because you're the better
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: pass blocker. But to stay the starter, we need to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: see this type of finish the game because I think
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: he's more than I think he's more than capable of that.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: And if I'm Cams like, okay, because.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: I know that my money, I'm in my money here.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: This was a big money.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: Give me the next nine games, ten games to go
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: show people what I could do as a complete left tack.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: That's right, and it's crazy. It's crazy for him. And
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: that's why if I'm Cam, I'm telling him I want
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: to be trade. I want out. I want to go
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: to Kansas City, I want to go to Minnesota. I
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: want to go somewhere.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I might guess it's it's gonna be very like.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: That's the one guy that I think could get very
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: interesting around the trade deadline because you have Walker Little
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and the fact that you know come clear to the play.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: They made a decision not to go with camig h
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: And I guarantee you he's probably not happy, is my
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: guests knowing players. I don't have not talked to Cam,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: so I would be happy. If this is me projecting.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: He came in the open locker room today with like
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: a minute to go, so we didn't get a chance
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: to talk.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So he probably doesn't want to talk to the media.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I probably don't talk to anybody except for his agent,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: is my guess. And that because that's how these things go.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: It's not just here, it's everywhere. And so it's up
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to Trent and Doug to get together and what do
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you want to do at left tackle? And how do
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: we want to finish the season at left tackle? And
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: if it's going to be Walker Little, then you should
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: trade them.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: But you're You've made a good point, though Tony about that. Okay,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: let's just say they finished with Walker Little. He might
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: not be here next year. No, it ain't like they're
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: overflowing in cap room and their CAP's not great.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you got to put a value like
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the left they gotta find.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: Okay, let's just play this forward. He might not be
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: there sure if you have no idea how long he's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: gonna play. He could walk away at any second. The
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: guy seems to get hurt and break down. He's you
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: know what I mean, He's done a pretty solid job
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: this year. I'm gonna give his credit because he's been
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: better than I thought he would be. The center's not
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: a kid anymore. I mean, you got age creeping up
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: on that thing. You got uncertainty and contracts on a
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: group that's the most like we always say, it's the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: most important position on the team other than.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Quarterback, which goes back to why I like and again,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I don't study it. I don't heard this a lot.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's coming. I don't study the draft.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm an expert, because it's not my
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: job to do it. But I've watched enough football and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: played enough football to know that if you don't have
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: an offensive line, you don't have anything in the offensive line.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm a firm believer in this sets the tone
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: for what type of team you are. The toughness of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: that group sets the standard of the toughness across the board.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: That's just how football works every team I've ever been on,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: And so Pete's right, you have a lot of questions
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: because of the contract situation and the age of this
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: offensive line. And the one thing I'll say about Brandon
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Sheriff because I thought, you know, I thought that was
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: a position that they would look at just because of
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: his age and some of the injuries. And he's a warrior,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: and as you get older and injuries pile up, it's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: it's tough. But I'll give that guy his due. At
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: two and five, get your knee rolled up on feeling
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: like you know what down ten when nobody would have
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: questioned you if you said, you know what, my knee's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: not right, And that dude like was hell bent even
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: right away, even when they put Cooper Hodges to finish
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I think to finish the half, I'm not mistaken. Brandon
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Sheriff was helmet on next to Phil Rauscher like and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I know how that conversation is, like put me in
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: because and I loved it. And I said it on
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: the air, I said, I give that dude so much credit,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: so much respect for him. Like I can question miss
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: blocks and like you know, pad level and every technique
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: and everything else like that. Like that's like every guy
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: gets critiqued like I did. Everyone does. But the one
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: thing I will never question about Brandon Sheriff is his
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: toughness and his want to That's that's the type of
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: guys that you want. And that's why, like even like
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: when Pete and I debate, is like it was that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the right decision at right tackle and everything else so
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: on and so forth, I mean, right guard. I can
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: see why they said, listen, we want that dude in
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: the room because he brings a mental and physical toughness
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: that we need. And it's hard to get rid of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: those guys because they bring something that someone maybe younger, stronger,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: more explosive, just does not have. And it'll be interesting
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: to see what they do across the line as we
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: kind of go into the second half of the season.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: If they go, if they go into the draft next year,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: it should be big, big, big on either side of
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: the boll.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: We're not talking draft, we're not talking draft.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: Ting well, we're talking about un loaded guys, so we
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: can talk about replenishing big, big Big. There's only so
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: many big people on the planet who can play this game.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Who told you that, Pete?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: You always say it, but I've said it before. You
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: were in your you were you were in the womb
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: when I used.
• 1:20:30
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  Speaker 9: I's a disappointment turned the ball over there, backed up
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 9: and giving them an easy touchdown pretty much. Uh, definitely
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: affected the game. So that's disappointing. I thought, you know,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 9: honestly thought I was gonna break the tackle and scramble,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: so I kind of moved it to the other hand
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 9: to get out of the so I could use my
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: offhand try to get him off me. And you know,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 9: he made a good play and made the tackle and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: somehow I don't know what hit the ball. Something hit
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: the ball and just got to take care of it,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 9: you know, in that situation, even if I, you know,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 9: throw it away or check it down and we don't
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 9: get in. We punt that's still better and puts our
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 9: defense in a position where they can get a stop
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 9: and prevent them from scoring. So I didn't didn't help
• 1:21:30
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• 1:21:32
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  Speaker 3: Is Josh Haynes Allen's lack of production due to effort
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  Speaker 3: or is he slower due to bulking up over the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see any effort issues from Josh Heinz Allen
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  Speaker 1: at all. And here's the thing, Pete, I was a
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  Speaker 1: kid watching this week. He's getting pressure, but it's like
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  Speaker 1: he's just like a half step late.
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  Speaker 6: I say late.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's right there and he's he's pushing the tackle
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  Speaker 1: into the lap of the quarterback. He gets that he's
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  Speaker 1: just about to hit him. The ball gets thrown like
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  Speaker 1: he's just not like, So is that a combination?
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  Speaker 6: Is that.
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  Speaker 1: Coverage and not forcing the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: To hold the ball at times?
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  Speaker 1: Is it him? Is he He's definitely bigger, He's definitely
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  Speaker 1: bulked up. He said that. I mean both of those, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: both him and tray Vaughn. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that came from the coaching staff or who told him
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  Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, my guess is it came
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  Speaker 1: from the coaching staff and that they both did it.
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  Speaker 6: Unless he's got thirty according to I saw something here,
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  Speaker 6: he's got thirty two pressures on the season.
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  Speaker 1: And only two and a half sacks. Or did he
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  Speaker 1: get a half sack?
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  Speaker 3: He got a half sack.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so he has three sacks now and Trayvon has
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  Speaker 1: six and a half.
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  Speaker 6: Is that what he's credited for? Thirty two? Because that's
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  Speaker 6: when you look at that, that's not that bad.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, no, that's what I'm saying, Like when I watched
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  Speaker 1: the tape, like I think both him and Trayvon do
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  Speaker 1: a good job against the run.
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  Speaker 6: They're really good football They're really good football players, both
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  Speaker 6: of them. And they're not dynamic as pass rusher.
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  Speaker 1: And they're both power rushers. Right, it looks like to
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  Speaker 1: me Josh has gone more power this year, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's because of the size. I'm gonna ask him that actually,
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  Speaker 1: next time I see.
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  Speaker 6: Him, how much bigger is he? Because I remember I
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  Speaker 6: talked to him in the training camp. He said he
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  Speaker 6: was like about ten twelve pounds. I think he's made.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's fifteen. I think I think he was
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  Speaker 1: like two eighty five. Yeah, yeah, where I think last
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  Speaker 1: year is two seventy if I'm not mistaken. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I think that's about sounds right.
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  Speaker 6: Here's the here's the problem. Both of them are really
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  Speaker 6: good ends. They're both kind of power ends, so they're
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  Speaker 6: the same kind of guy. But here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 6: If you had a twitchy third down edge rusher, then
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  Speaker 6: you could slide one of them inside to rush on
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  Speaker 6: third down and put that twitchy edge rusher on the outside.
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  Speaker 6: They don't have that.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, I think I agree with you, and so I
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  Speaker 1: think he's playing good football. He's getting pressures. He's the
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  Speaker 1: sacks are not coming. Hopefully they'll start stacking up here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, usually you see guys who get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pressures, sooner or later the sacks come. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not I do not see an effort issue.
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  Speaker 6: No, not at all. With Josh Tony ideal scenario, third
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  Speaker 6: and long, one of them is playing and Armstead's playing inside,
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  Speaker 6: Walker's playing inside or Allen, whichever one, and then you
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  Speaker 6: have the twitchy edge rusher. It comes in on third
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  Speaker 6: down or whatever. That's your ideal scenario right there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you gotta find that guy Pete. He's not on
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  Speaker 1: the he's not on the roster, all right. Next question,
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  Speaker 1: let's get through a few of these.
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  Speaker 3: Is Brian Thomas Junior being underutilized? It probably isn't a
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  Speaker 3: corner in the league that can catch him. So why
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  Speaker 3: aren't we taking more shots downfield?
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  Speaker 6: Good question?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's okay, but you also have
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  Speaker 1: to kind of take what the defense is getting you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can take away a speedster her by
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  Speaker 1: putting people over the top. I'm not saying like I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying it's not a fair question. I would love
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  Speaker 1: to see two or three shots again back off to
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  Speaker 1: uh Brian Thomas Jr. Now here's what we don't know
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  Speaker 1: because you watch the tape as well. It takes two
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  Speaker 1: to tango or it takes three to tank. In this case,
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  Speaker 1: it takes the coach calling it. It takes Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 1: Junior righting the right route, and then it takes the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback extra throwing it when the shots called. And so
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  Speaker 1: sometimes shots could be called and Trevor doesn't like to
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  Speaker 1: look and takes the underneath route and that's fine. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: so just be like, I would like to see more
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  Speaker 1: shots downfield because I think it's gonna work out better
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  Speaker 1: for us than the other team more times than not.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I also, you got to
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  Speaker 1: be careful to start trying to force things to guys.
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  Speaker 6: But run them, don't. You don't need to force it
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  Speaker 6: to them, but you run them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's right, Pete. I agree with you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good way to say it.
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  Speaker 3: Next question at PW three, why does Trevor Lawrence have
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  Speaker 3: to play perfect for the Jags to win close games?
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with that question perfect, Like, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to be just call call it what it is. Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 1: Turnovers led to fourteen points to the opponent. Theoretically, you
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  Speaker 1: take those two plays out, you win the football game.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think he has play perfect.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think he don't know if he's going to
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  Speaker 6: rally in the fourth quarter either.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm missing.
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  Speaker 6: You're right, you can't. He can't turn the ball over.
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  Speaker 6: You can't turn it over.
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  Speaker 1: It's nothing. He's to play perfect. He can't play You
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  Speaker 1: can't make big mistakes like that. And now it's not
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  Speaker 1: all on him. I mean those plays are sack.
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  Speaker 6: The sack fumble was on him, on him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But like everyone needs to do their.
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  Speaker 6: Job, Like when he mentioned in that clip that you
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  Speaker 6: played the checkdown, he had them, he just didn't get
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  Speaker 6: first down, so he held off on it to try
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  Speaker 6: and get to the next level. And then what happened
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  Speaker 6: on the next level behind that was two guys were
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  Speaker 6: standing together, so there were two defenders right there. He
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  Speaker 6: couldn't throw it. So but he's got to take that
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  Speaker 6: check down and punt, like he said.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think sometimes punt's a good play, and
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  Speaker 1: players you forget that. You try to force things, and
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  Speaker 1: usually when you force things, mistakes happen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, last question that Jay Fix eighty eight. Where do
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  Speaker 3: the Jaguars go from here? They go to Philly. It's
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  Speaker 3: on SAT and they play there Sunday and then we'll
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  Speaker 3: come home afterwards. I mean, that's where they go.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and now I know what the question is
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  Speaker 1: referring to is like, how do they fix this? There's
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  Speaker 1: no magical fix. The guys are the guys you have.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna go find a bunch of guys sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the street. You're not gonna do a bunch of trade.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna be a buyer at the trade deadline
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. And so it's the guys you have
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  Speaker 1: executing better. It's the coaches preparing them better, it's the
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  Speaker 1: trainers taping ankles better. It's you know, it's everyone just
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  Speaker 1: doing their job better and executing. And I think what
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  Speaker 1: Doug said it well on an earlier clip is like
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  Speaker 1: everyone just do your job. If everyone does their job,
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  Speaker 1: good things will typically happen.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but sometimes there's a lack of talent too. And
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  Speaker 6: sometimes I'm not saying something you can't scheme around it.
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  Speaker 6: You can't sure, you just can't. It's just a lack
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  Speaker 6: of talent sometimes no.
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  Speaker 1: But even if there's a lack of talent, Pete, you
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  Speaker 1: would agree. The only thing you can do is do
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  Speaker 1: your job.
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  Speaker 6: Right, do your job, work as hard as you possibly can,
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  Speaker 6: and let the helka huh they started me into the lineup.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna work as hard as I can and do
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  Speaker 6: my job and I ain't gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: But the question is where do they go from here?
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  Speaker 1: Now there's like Philadelphia, but beyond that, there's no one
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna add.
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  Speaker 6: No, hell no, that's gonna change it.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to take the guys you have on
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  Speaker 1: this roster and how the roster was built, because the
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  Speaker 1: building of the roster is done in the off season obviously,
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  Speaker 1: not that you can't trade during the season and get
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  Speaker 1: peace here or there if you're in that position, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we are. And then once that's done,
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  Speaker 1: and it's everyone do their job to the best of
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  Speaker 1: their ability and let's see what happens. Like first things first,
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  Speaker 1: don't beat yourself. So if we would just start by
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  Speaker 1: not beating ourselves, pre step penalty, silly turnover, silly mistakes,
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  Speaker 1: miss assignments, blown coverages, blowing, balking, assignments, whatever you wanna call,
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  Speaker 1: just menoairs. So start there. If you don't beat yourself,
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  Speaker 1: now you're starting to ground zero. Now just do your job.
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  Speaker 1: And more times than not in this league, if you
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  Speaker 1: don't beat yourself, you're gonna have a chance in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter to win. All Right, you have a fanatics
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm rocking and rolling today, excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we were six and two, not two and six,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the that's the cards we've been dealt. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I just.
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  Speaker 6: One quick thing. I looked at the game book. Chad,
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  Speaker 6: moveman and get one defensive snap yesterday? Weird, not one?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think the best Pete, Let's let's just
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  Speaker 1: cut to the chase. What do you think the best?
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  Speaker 1: What's the best linebacker combination? Because they played a lot.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, they played almost Nickel, they played.
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  Speaker 6: Miller, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then who's the Sam Lloyd, Yeah, that's you, and I
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  Speaker 1: I think Miller and Lukan inside Mike will whatever combination
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to do. And then I think Devin Lloyd
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  Speaker 1: is a natural Sam. Like I think he's a guy
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  Speaker 1: you can play under with. He can stack the linebacker,
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  Speaker 1: he's got length, he's got size, he's pretty good in
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  Speaker 1: the run game, and he's pretty good in the run game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is your best combination. And
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  Speaker 1: I would every snap I would have uh Ventro, Miller
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  Speaker 1: and Lucan out there, and then and bass personnel. I'm
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  Speaker 1: bringing Devin Lloyd playing Sam.
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  Speaker 6: That's how and then and then and then the DB's
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  Speaker 6: for me would be Brown, Montark Brown and and Campbell,
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  Speaker 6: who's by the way, he's played well, he played well, Yes,
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  Speaker 6: played well?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Campbell, Brown, Jerry and Jones is your.
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  Speaker 6: Nickel Savage and and whoever comes well Winger when he
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  Speaker 6: comes back or somebody when he comes back.
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  Speaker 1: Downed to Gibson.
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  Speaker 3: Did he not still get cleared?
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a six game suspension.
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 6: I means it must be something else cooking. But if
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  Speaker 6: if if somebody is healthy, you might you might might
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  Speaker 6: take it change there too. I mean, Cisco hasn't been good.
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  Speaker 6: There's been moments where he's made some plays, but I
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  Speaker 6: think for the most part he's been a disappointment as well.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, think about that. That means that if you
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  Speaker 6: made that move, say Winger comes back and he takes over.
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  Speaker 6: If you make that move, you're starting safeties to open
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  Speaker 3: National Football leagu quickly. We've got about five four or
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  Speaker 3: four and a half minutes to go. Here. Eagles over
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  Speaker 3: the Bengals. They've won three state now thirty seven to seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: Jamis Winston leads up Browns to a win over the Ravens,
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  Speaker 3: and they scored points.
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  Speaker 6: Ravens have defensive issues.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Shawn Watson was the issue.
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  Speaker 6: Pete Oh, he was clearly the issue, but the Ravens
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  Speaker 6: also have given up a lot of big plays and
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  Speaker 6: a lot of points. This year.
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  Speaker 3: Lions Titans were tied fourteen fourteen. Lions won at fifty
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  Speaker 3: two to fourteen. They're good, well, they're good, but I
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  Speaker 3: mean the.
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  Speaker 6: Tomes a twenty five yards are less. Think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they had great field position, starting field position,
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  Speaker 1: putt return for a touchdown, and their big punt return.
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  Speaker 1: They had multiple turnovers, so it was it was one
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  Speaker 1: of those games that the Titans are the inferior team,
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  Speaker 1: but they also gifted the Lions a bunch of points.
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  Speaker 3: TUA can't get the Dolphins over the top. Twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven loss to the Cardinals. Patriots knocked off the Jets,
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  Speaker 3: who are continuing to reel the Falcons over the Bucks
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  Speaker 3: thirty one twenty six. Chargers beat the Saints twenty six
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  Speaker 3: to eight.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to New Orleans all of a sudden, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's fun.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I been decimated by injuries. They haven't had
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  Speaker 6: their quarterback. They've had so many guys go down. No,
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  Speaker 6: Shaquille the receiver went down. Shaheed went down. You know,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: a lave's back, but he went down. The line's a mess.
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  Speaker 6: They have so many injuries.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll give Pete credit because I remember us talking
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: about at the bed of the Aar and Pete said,
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  Speaker 1: the Saints are old, and I don't think they're very good.
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  Speaker 1: And then they went to and oh, I was giving
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  Speaker 1: a hard time, like Pee, you don't know you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about it. And then they have not won a game since.
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  Speaker 3: So two and six, Bill's thirty one ten over the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos beat the Panthers, the Chiefs beat the Raiders
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven to twenty. They're still undefeated. And then the
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  Speaker 3: hail mary the Commanders over the Bears. Oh my, that
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  Speaker 3: was crazy to play the Bill's defensive the stands and
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  Speaker 3: then he tips the ball of the guy.
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  Speaker 6: Well not just that though, to play before they played
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  Speaker 6: it like a hail mary and let him get fifteen
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  Speaker 6: more yards to be able to throw a hail mary,
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  Speaker 6: which was stupid. And then they had three timeouts. It
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: didn't call time out to get big tall. You know
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  Speaker 6: how sometimes you put a tall receiver like one of
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: your receivers back there. They didn't do that either. And
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  Speaker 6: then the defensive back is they should have had somebody.
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  Speaker 6: Always have somebody in the back boxing out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I was what I read is
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: his job was to box out. He was taunting the fans.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll even go back further the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: Bears called they play a fullback dive to the center.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what, you have a rookie quarterback and you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna hand off on a dive play to a guy
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  Speaker 1: who does not handle the ball. That seems like a
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  Speaker 1: bad idea Monday Night Football.
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  Speaker 3: The Giants too and five pitch quarterback Daniel Jones last week.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: They've scored ten points over the last two games. They'll
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: face the five and two Pittsburgh Steelers. They changed quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: last week. Russell Wilson is in who you Got at
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  Speaker 3: the Confluence and Bonus Points?
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  Speaker 1: Have either can name the three rivers? I know them
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  Speaker 1: if they were. One's the Ohio Bigger correct, Alleghany's the
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  Speaker 1: other one.
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  Speaker 6: Callsquehanna correct, So I knew too for two?
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  Speaker 1: Who's winning the game?
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  Speaker 6: We got up a game?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you said Susquehanna. That's incorrect.
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  Speaker 1: Who's winning the game. So here's one thing. Last week, JP,
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  Speaker 1: you weren't here, Pete. There was two money in night games, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: and I got both of them wrong.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going with the Steelers. Daniel Jones is one in
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: fourteen in Prive Domes Steelers.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Oh all right, you have it. The picks are in.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: The show is done, Pete Prisco, Tony Basselli, I'm JP Shaddick.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: Thanks to our entire crew, David, Joe, Joe Fortunato, Brent
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Reaver for everyone, Thank you for listening.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour.