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Don't Give Up Just Yet with Nick Connolly · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_05: Raise your hand if you've ever experienced a difficult season of life.
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  SPEAKER_05: Raise your hand if you've ever felt like giving up during that difficult season.
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  SPEAKER_05: And now raise your hand if you ever felt ready to burn everything down and run far away.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_05: Please put your hands back on the steering wheel if you're driving and just nod your head.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I'm here to say, yes, I understand.
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  SPEAKER_05: I know.
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  SPEAKER_05: And me too.
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  SPEAKER_05: Especially as a business owner, faith leader, mom of teenagers, community member, and in so many different areas of life, I have felt like giving up.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have experienced difficult and challenging trials.
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  SPEAKER_05: And there have been moments that I really did want to burn everything down and run far away.
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  SPEAKER_05: And here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm fairly confident it is a human being thing.
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  SPEAKER_05: And mostly because of resistance.
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  SPEAKER_05: What is resistance, you might ask?
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, resistance looks like many things doubt, waiting, dark nights of the soul, sickness, heartbreak, and crises, big and small.
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  SPEAKER_05: If you check the box for any of those things on the list, then you know.
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  SPEAKER_05: And perhaps you've even succumbed to resistance and backed out or backed down on a dream or given up on the thing.
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  SPEAKER_05: But here you are.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's happening again and you find yourself at a crossroads.
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  SPEAKER_05: Do I give up or do I keep showing up?
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  SPEAKER_05: Now, if this has resonated with you so far, I've got good news for you.
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  SPEAKER_05: The following is an incredible conversation and a resource that you will likely need right now and be so grateful that you stumbled across this.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I'd like to encourage you to give a few minutes to nourish your soul and listen to the entire conversation.
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  SPEAKER_05: It is full of encouragement that you need today from author and pastor Nick Conley.
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  SPEAKER_05: His book, Don't Give Up Just Yet, is the script put in a book format to help you choose persistence in a world of overwhelming resistance.
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  SPEAKER_05: So today, Nick's gonna share us more about overcoming resistance.
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  SPEAKER_05: He's also gonna share things related to his Enneagram personality, how to deal with resistance when writing a book, the book launching process for himself, and even a little bit about his most recent crisis that he just went through.
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  SPEAKER_05: There is so much good in this conversation, as always.
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  SPEAKER_05: And while you're listening, I highly recommend going ahead and finding the link in the show notes to add his new book, Don't Give Up Just Yet, to your shopping cart.
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  SPEAKER_05: Hello and welcome to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm your host, Amy Wicks, your wholehearted living coach.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I'm so glad that you stopped by to spend some time with me.
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  SPEAKER_05: Are you curious about the Enneagram?
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  SPEAKER_05: Do you want to learn biblical truths?
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  SPEAKER_05: And have you wondered if there are life rhythms that will help you thrive?
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, friends, you are in the right place.
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  SPEAKER_05: For six years, this podcast has focused on sharing conversations with my friends about life, business, motherhood, faith, and all things in the agreement from a Christian perspective.
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  SPEAKER_05: I truly understand what it's like to juggle everything as a wife, mom to three teenagers, a pub, and all while building a growing business.
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  SPEAKER_05: Are you ready to laugh a little and learn a whole lot?
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  SPEAKER_05: Alrighty, let's get to the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Nick, I am so excited to have you here on the Simply Full Hearted podcast.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, there's so much that I'm excited to dive into this book.
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  SPEAKER_05: I told you ahead of time that I was gonna try to keep my mouth shut, get straight to the point.
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  SPEAKER_05: Before we dive into the goodness of it, I would love to hear from you.
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  SPEAKER_05: How would you talk about your Enneagram type, your personality?
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  SPEAKER_05: What would you share about it without telling us the number?
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it's I feel like with every personality thing or Enneagram, it's like my superpower, but also my toxic trait.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so if I'm on vacation, I'm I'm sitting at a resort, I shouldn't be thinking about anything other than like umbrella drinks in the ocean.
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  SPEAKER_04: And in my mind, in my conversation, I'll turn to my wife Jess and I'll be like, I I think I can make some things around here better.
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  SPEAKER_04: I wonder if they've ever tried this.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, I wonder if they've, you know what they should do?
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  SPEAKER_04: And so that is my superpower, but it does also my toxic trait.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yep, yep.
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  SPEAKER_05: I love how you incorporated some of these insights in your book, actually.
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  SPEAKER_05: And as my husband read it, actually, which is great because my my husband's an audiobook guy, but we were traveling.
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  SPEAKER_05: I plowed through your book, he was like, What is she doing over there?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_05: Because I'm underlining dog earring, and I'm like, This is a great book.
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  SPEAKER_05: I think maybe you'd want to read it.
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  SPEAKER_05: And and then you could remind me of the things in it.
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  SPEAKER_05: And as he was reading, his like, he's like, Have you talked to this guy before?
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  SPEAKER_05: Is he like easy lamb guy?
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  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, No, I think he just knows this stuff as it it seems to be.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh man.
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  SPEAKER_05: How you pointed that out.
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  SPEAKER_05: It must it must be something that you've done before on a wonderful, relaxing vacation, figuring out how to fix things all the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: All the time.
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  SPEAKER_05: I can deeply relate in my line of stress where I go to that as well.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it doesn't usually happen on vacation, but it sure happens in the day-to-day, whether it's my business, motherhood, relationships.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, oh man, I should have done that better.
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  SPEAKER_05: Or I could be doing that better.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a little bit of times I get into that space, that inner critic, I it bursts great compassion for those who live with the inner critic.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh you got any like great random tits for those who have an inner critic that they have to combat every day?
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, you might know this, but I did not know this.
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  SPEAKER_04: So my professional job is I am a pastor, I'm a minister of the word.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so apparently, ministers of the word are supposed to know everything about the word.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but I went to a pastor's conference recently, and I hadn't been to one in a while.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I I was there and the pastor was talking through something, and then he made a passing point.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I'm telling you, it made the conference for me.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like I would have paid the plane ticket in the hotel just to hear him say this one thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: And he started talking about the creation story, and he started talking about how God created everything.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then he said, you know what's so interesting about God is I think sometimes we don't have peace, and we feel like there's our inner critic and all this thing is going on in our interior life, but we don't have a peace sometimes because we can't rest in the goodness.
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  SPEAKER_04: And he said, What's so crazy about God is that God created something on every day, and even though there was still some sort of chaotic element still happening in creation, he created, he stopped, he said it was good, and then it was a day.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so what I felt like God spoke to me in that moment, what challenged me is like, hey, you can find the good in the unfinished, like you can find the good and the things that haven't come to order yet.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like you can find the good.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I'm telling you, I I I if you told me today that I was going to hear something profound like that, I'd still get on the plane, go him tell me that and come back.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like it was that profound for me.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I guess the tip would be is just you know, try to do like God in that moment.
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  SPEAKER_04: And and you know, things are still happening, the cosmos are still out of order, and things haven't been put in place yet, but still in that moment, he was able to see the good and find the good.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I think when we think about our days, when we think about our lives, when we think about the chaotic moments in our in our hearts, it chances are there is some sort of good that can allow you to have some sort of finished piece in your day.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, okay, all right, quotable, profound, yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: This this was him.
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  SPEAKER_04: This was him.
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  SPEAKER_04: This he said it, and I was like, oh my gosh, like this spoke to my heart in so many different ways.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have the privilege of coaching several ones and those who are actually in the coaching space as coaches, and I feel like this that word in particular is so applicable in this unfinished process because is there ever a completely finished, completely perfected thing on this side of heaven?
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: No, you're so right.
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  SPEAKER_04: You're so right.
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  SPEAKER_05: All right, so along those lines, you're launching a book, and I heard rumors that you were in a family of book launchers at this season.
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  SPEAKER_05: It happened to all collide, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: So here you are putting out words alongside of those that you admire, love.
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  SPEAKER_05: You're all doing it differently, and you probably all have unique challenges.
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  SPEAKER_05: So, for you, what how has that been?
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  SPEAKER_05: How is this process for you?
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's been really great.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, I um what's been so interesting is so we all started the journey in different points of life.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, I honestly think I might have started this leg of the journey, like Jess obviously has written so many books, my wife, but I started, I think, my process of this book before she started the process of her book that's coming out.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I started the journey honestly, and I think it was like 2020.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm trying to like work on this work, and the irony of the process isn't lost on me.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, there were so many moments when I wanted to give up in the process of writing a book about giving up because it was just taking so long.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I feel like because all of our journeys have been different, it's been so incredible just to be able to cheer one another on um in different parts of the journey that might be harder for other people.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so it's been so great.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, my brother and sister-in-law, they released a marriage book and it's doing really incredible things, and I just am so proud of them.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then my mother-in-law, her book comes as we're recording this today, it comes out tomorrow called Simply Pray.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I I just when I think about a woman of faith, like Paul, when him he was talking to Timothy, I forget what epistle it is, but he's like, I remember, I see this like sincere faith in you that you got from your grandmother and your mother.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so it was like the the faith that Timothy had flowed through that matriarch line in his family.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so when I think about uh the family I married into, like my mother-in-law is just an incredible woman and just has so many stories about prayer and answer prayers.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I just feel like as believers, we can never get tired of hearing those stories because we always get tired of praying, and so it just is an incredible encouragement.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then obviously, my wife's book is gonna be incredible for all kinds of people, and you know, she writes books to women, but I just feel like this next book is just gonna be so great for everyone because I feel like just as much as we're all fighting discouragement and want to give up, we're all fighting exhaustion, and and part of that is making us want to give up.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I'm so excited for everyone that's in the journey.
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  SPEAKER_04: But it has been so funny because everybody's like, Did you guys plan this?
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, I'm telling you, we did not.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, this is not best case scenario, like this is God's best case scenario, but this is not, we didn't sign up for this, like all happening at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_05: Seriously, how what a crazy circumstances and yet beautiful because I think it represents how you each uniquely present something that the body of Christ needs right now and how it's so good.
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  SPEAKER_05: I I think it's really beautiful and kind of disappointed.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'll take that.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'll take that.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's the encouragement I'm taking.
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  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, because I'm very quick.
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  SPEAKER_05: In fact, like right now, I'm in the process of um where coaches or people who want to be coaches have been coming to me and like, hey, should I go with your program?
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  SPEAKER_05: Should I get certified with you?
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  SPEAKER_05: And I'm pretty quick.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm just at the vent of I'm not for everyone.
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  SPEAKER_05: And if I am not for you, there's someone who is.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I'm just one small tiny piece of the picture, not only for their lives, but also in the body of Christ at large.
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  SPEAKER_05: And so I'm so grateful I get to play that role of a guide for some people, but I'm not meant for everyone.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I love that I can go, hey, but I know that this person right now, they have a coaching person that's perfect for you.
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  SPEAKER_05: And and we can both be building the kingdom of God from different places and offering our voices uniquely.
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  SPEAKER_05: And so that is the perspective I think we're invited to have, especially in such a noisy world.
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  SPEAKER_05: We could get beat down and give up because of that, or we can go, hey, maybe we all have something to add.
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  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_04: My wife and people on our church team get uh they don't get mad at me, but they always are like, What are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_04: But I'll give people a list of churches.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, hey, have you tried so-and-so, this, so that, that, this, that.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm like, if it's not here, then let me help you find your place.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't, I just want you plugged in somewhere, especially in in a culture that we're experiencing today where people don't know how they feel about church.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, well, let me help you have some feels about church.
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  SPEAKER_04: And if it's not here, then I would love to help you find a place.
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  SPEAKER_04: And they're like, What are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_04: You're supposed to tell them you're they're supposed to be plugging in here.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, you know what?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: If they want to, they will.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm with you.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_04: I'm with you.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_04: All that to say is I'm with you.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we don't need to coerce everyone for or anyone towards ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's for if it's for the glory of God, all praise be to him, then that is where we have to look.
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  SPEAKER_05: That is there's a community of believers, there's a bigger body of Christ here that it's just if we're really for them plugging in for the sake of being a part of the body of Christ, then that's all that matters.
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  SPEAKER_02: So amen.
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  SPEAKER_05: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay, well, here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have to like set on this, and I hope that this is like you feel so good about this comparison, but I can't remember when.
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  SPEAKER_05: It was a good eight years ago, maybe, that I stumbled upon a book written by Steven Pressfield called The War of Art.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I love that book.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: I love that book.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay, so I think you might know where I'm going.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, for years I have been saying that this is one of the best books about spiritual warfare that are out there.
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  SPEAKER_05: But my angst is that one, it's got adult language in it, and two, he's not a believer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_05: And so I would recommend it with the caveats and with the disclaimers.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_05: And I I would always be tentative, who should I buy this for?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: But can I tell you you've done it?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_05: You have written the book that I can say this is the best book on resistance and spiritual warfare.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_05: And here you go, no to no adult language.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I know you're like, they made me they made me take the adult language out of it.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm just kidding.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_04: I had like one quote my mom always said, and they were like, hey, can we not?
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  SPEAKER_04: I was like, listen, I'm I'm not gonna die on that hill.
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  SPEAKER_04: But I love that comparison.
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  SPEAKER_04: I love that book, I love everything he writes.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's an incredible writer.
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  SPEAKER_04: And what I love about that book is let's consider the language.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, how many of us go through days where we've got some language like we want to give to God because it's so hard.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I think if we're all being honest and we're all uh giving our most vulnerable real self, some days we we feel like that.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so what I love about the War of Art is that they like it's tapping into the battle and you're watching someone in process.
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  SPEAKER_04: And so I love that.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I think, you know, even if we were like, well, the language, it's like, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, some days that language starts to bubble up, and you know, I don't want to talk that way, but you know, some days are hard.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: And so I all that to say is I can stop everything now.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: That's the best comparison ever, and I can retire as an author.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm done.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, I think this is where I mean, I've not only did I personally resonate with the book so much and this idea of resistance, but in just being where the Lord has called me to be, whether it's helping coaches, entrepreneurs, authors, different moms, honestly.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the the message of understanding resistance and what to do with it is vital.
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  SPEAKER_05: I I think that we underestimate how much the enemy is trying to take us out, especially I mean, it doesn't even have to be some grand scheme that you are, you know, grand platform you're building.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_05: You just have to be showing up to raise your kids in a godly way.
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  SPEAKER_05: And that is all that the enemy, you know, wants to take out.
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  SPEAKER_05: In fact, that's like what he can do the most damage with.
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  SPEAKER_05: And so I just love how you have I feel like you've come in with your own unique stories, your own unique victories, and um with a Christ-centered approach of like, hey, listen, you're gonna face this because that's what we were promised and guaranteed.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: And here's some things that you can do to face it and to overcome it.
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  SPEAKER_05: So anyway, I I'm glad that blesses you and that you get one going with this because that results.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_05: So, so good.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, one of the one of the things I know you use a lot of your stories in it, but I think there's maybe a key moment for you where you're like, okay, this is a moment where I do want to quit.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_05: I want to throw in the towel.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_05: We've probably had many of them.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_05: I know I have.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_05: But what where was that moment that actually said, okay, not only am I going to keep going, but I think I have a message to share in this process and and to encourage others to not give up.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: It actually came on a podcast.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_04: I was with Jess.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: We were just recording a podcast at our kitchen table.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, in in the early days, this is how the podcast went is Jess will say, Hey, can you just record with me?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_04: And then that would be the warning.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, all right, okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I love it.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: Which I love.
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  SPEAKER_04: I I love.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I I did a go and tell podcast, and we sat at the table, and she was like, Hey, can you just process some of this with me about how you felt, what was going on?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: And I said this phrase, and it was one of those moments where it like left my mouth, and I it was almost like the light bulb clicked when I said it.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_04: And then after it was released into the world, like that was literally the only thing that people were responding in about.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_04: They were like, oh my gosh, this line, this line, this line, this line.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_04: I can't believe this line, we're obsessed with this line.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_04: But I said the calling isn't mine to quit.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: And so what I meant by that is I think a lot of times we we get into, especially in the midst of resistance, in the midst of hardship and things that happen in our life, we can sometimes slip into a victim mentality and we're like, just how dare God do this?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_04: Like, how dare he like call me into this big dream, this family, this business, this opportunity.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: And then how dare it get hard?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: And and so then, you know, we have this mentality where we think we own the calling that God has extended in our life.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: And so we think that we're the ones that spoke this over our life, that implemented all the plans and you know, all these things.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_04: And so the place that I got to was I was like, man, I didn't originate this call of ministry into my life.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I didn't put these gifts in my life, I didn't put this opportunity in my life, I didn't put this in my life, I didn't put that in my life.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like, all of this is a life of grace, and he has entrusted it to me.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so, if if none of it is mine, what authority do I have to walk away from it?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: I can, like, I you know, the beautiful thing about God is it when you're in a loving relationship, there's choice, right?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like, like God, like the the ultimate sign of love is is choice.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_04: Like, do you choose me?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_04: Do I choose you?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like, that's how every marriage works.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: And and so it's the same relationship with God.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: And so I just got to the point where I was like, Man, I didn't, none of this was mine.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't do it, I didn't earn it, and I certainly didn't deserve it.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: So, what makes me think that I'm the one that has the authority to quit and walk away?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_04: And so when I said that, it was almost like fireworks and light bulbs went off in my heart of like, oh, well then I I need another plan because I I've got to get through this.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: And so that's that's where it started.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_05: Man, I like that is so relatable.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_05: And I hear because I hear it time and time again.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_05: I've experienced in my own life where how I am often saying or what phrase comes out is the outcome is not matching my expectations.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: And so I know our job is to trade in our human expectations or holy anticipation.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_05: But do you have any tips when those matrix are used in our life and we're going to I like fruit?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: Is there fruit?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_05: Is there enough fruit to quantify and qualify my calling and to keep going?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_05: How can you speak to that for a minute?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_05: Because I can hear my friends going, Yeah, but what do I do with that?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: You know, one of the hardest parts about fruit is when you when you see fruit in the scriptures, it usually starts interior and then it moves exterior.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: And so it's usually in the unseen and somehow it becomes manifested.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: I was just I sent someone a scripture earlier today, and it was in Isaiah 43, verse, oh god, 18 or 19.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: It'll get somewhere in there, it'll get you in there somewhere.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it was like God was saying, Behold, I'm doing a new thing now, it springs forth.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_04: And it goes, so what does that look like?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: Well, a desert is going to become a river.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: And you're like, Well, hold on a second.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_04: And so if you're looking at a desert, you're the the thing you're thinking is that there's no way that this desert can become a river.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_04: And so if someone asks you to say, Hey, I want you to start a water filtration business and I want you to put it in the desert, you'd be like, I'm sorry, you are drunk.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like, there's something messed up with your business desires here.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I can't do this.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: And and he's like, No, no, no, I want you to put the water filtration business in the desert.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think a lot of times that God asks us to do that.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like he asks us to put the impossible in a place that is impossible and watch him make the possible.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: And so the tough thing about fruit is that usually it starts in the unseen and then it moves to the scene.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_04: And so the only thing I can control is I can't control the fruit, but I can control my faithfulness.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_04: And when I walk every day in the faithfulness of what God's asked me to do, the things that He's put on my plate, and usually we know those things.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like, usually, like there's an internal battle and a struggle because we know that our gut's saying, This is what you're supposed to do.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: And so I show up every day and I and I try to be faithful in the things that I can control.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: And then moving on from that, you know, one of the things to talk about in the book is what what you touched on earlier was the anticipation piece, is a lot of times we come with expectations to God, but we actually what he's only asking us to have is expectancy.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_04: And so it's like, hey, God, I know you can move.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: I want you to move.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: I trust that you can move.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know how you're gonna move.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: And where I get messed up in my own life is like, God, I know you can move.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: I trust you can move.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: And actually, I would like for you to do it on Tuesday, you know, May 5th, and or, you know, whatever the day is.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: And and at this time, and I needed to look this way, and he needs to be this tall and he needs to make this much money, or you know, that what whatever it is.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: And and so I think if I can have an outlook where faithfulness is my motivation, like I want to be faithful, right?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: The faithful servants got more, right?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: So I want to be faithful, and then I want to have expectancy.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like it, I just love that about Mary's story.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_04: Mary's like, well, uh, teenage pregnancy, single mom, like sounds crazy to me, but if you can do it, God, I I trust you.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think we've got to have that outlook if we're gonna continue on through the hard resistance in our life.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_05: I love that you use that language in the book, expectancy.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_05: I know I underlined it again.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_05: I am not kidding, I'm not exaggerating.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: I underlined so much.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: There's so much quotable, these one-liners where I'm like, yes, yes, yes, that's exactly it's what I needed to hear personally.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_05: But to that, I want to go back to a term that you used before as well, because we do in the wholehearted community, we talk about victim, villain, hero guide.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_05: Donald Miller coined it, and I utilize that language when it comes to our journey.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_05: And I just want to remind people even if you've become the hero and you are now a guy to help others find their hero moments, you can still slip into that victim mentality.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: All the time.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: All the time.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_05: How would you describe that showing up even for you?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what does that look like when you you kind of hinted at before, but what maybe we need to have as our gatekeeper to go, oh, maybe I'm going back there to that victim mindset?
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: Great question.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_04: For me, I can only speak for me, is one of my major traits in these moments, we'll call it a toxic trait, is offense.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: And so I become offended by everything.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like so-and-so is late, so I'm offended.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: So-and-so did this, so I'm offended.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: So-and-so said that, so I'm offended.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_04: And I forget where it is, it's somewhere in Matthew, like 24-ish, 25-ish.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: And Jesus says that a sign of the end times will be that we will become easily offended.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, well, Lord, it seems like that's now, but I'm not digressing and jumping on back to that.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: But I for me, I know that when I am living in my most victimized self, I become offended.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like out of control, and I feel like there's nothing I can do to change anything or do anything to help the situation and the process.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what's so interesting is I feel like God's teaching me a lot about being a victim and being vulnerable.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll land the plane somewhere, I promise.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: But I grew up a lot with a victim mentality.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like I just I really did believe that things would never work out for me.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: And that was actually spoken over me by a friend in my life, and I didn't even, I didn't even remember the statement until Jess told me that I was living into it.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: And but so crazy how you live into things that are spoken over you and you don't even realize it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: So I was living into a victim mentality.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_04: Well, fast forward to about two months ago, and I just had a really tough season where out of nowhere had these like panic attacks and all this physical anxiety was catching up with me.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: And the first sermon I ever preached at our church was on Mark II.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_04: And it's the four guys that carry the person on the mat and they tear off the roof and lower this person before Jesus.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: And I preached on it and I said, Hey, I we want to be the church that carries the people to Jesus.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's that's the goal.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's not to get them into a building, it's to get them before the sun.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_04: And what I realized is for the first time in my ministry is that I was the one on the mat.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_04: I was the one who needed to be carried to Jesus.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was the one that needed the extra care and the help from my friends around me.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: And so I say all that to say is I think sometimes we confuse being vulnerable with being a victim, and being a victim with being vulnerable.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: When you are vulnerable in the Lord, there's this beauty that happens.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, 2 Corinthians 12, 9 is that we access his power.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_04: When you're a victim and you're trying to walk that out in the kingdom, like it's just not a good concoction for faith.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: Like, it's just not.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think for me, that victim mentality is like something I've got to watch.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: And the chief thing that I have to watch is offense.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I just become offended by everything and everyone.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_04: And when I see that happening, I'm like, oh, engine light on.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: Got it, got it.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for the warning.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: Ooh, that is so good.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: Nick, thank you for sharing that.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_05: You bring up an interesting point here.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, I always like to send questions ahead of time, and then I give the caveat of like, hey, but we're gonna go with the Ask away.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_04: Ask away.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_05: Two things here.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: When we talk about the victim, villain, hero guide, part of the healing process is identifying all those broken pieces so we can take it to God and He can mend and create the wholehearted element in our life, right?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_05: That journey, this ongoing sanctification journey.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_05: So it requires vulnerability.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: So you touched on that, and then you touched on you came to a point recently where you needed to have more care.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: How did you know that's what you needed?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_05: Like, what was that moment?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_05: I I don't know if it's a recipe, but for those who are listening who are so used to caring, so used to helping others, when did you maybe throw up the white sock surrender and say, Hey, I need some people to carry my mat.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: I need I need a little extra help in this time.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: I would love to tell you that it happened out of conviction, but it actually happened out of crisis.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: And I just was like, oh gosh.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: Here's what I will say is that a few months before everything happened, I came to Jess and I was like, hey, I just feel like the pace of our life, and it wasn't our jobs necessarily, like our plates are full, but it's the meal that God's asked us to eat.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's everything we have on our plate is what he's put on our plate.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't go back for seconds, I didn't go back for thirds, like I went through the line one time and that's what God gave me.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: But being in the place that we are as leaders within the local community, our church, you know, there was a lot of social obligations that were put on our calendars that took up a lot of the weekends.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_04: And our church was actually an interesting place where we were pushing through like one of the sociological barriers that they give you.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's like, hey, if you're a church of this size, sociologically, it's really hard to make this transition.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: And so we were struggling.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_04: I just was like, man, I feel like I'm never rested.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: I just feel exhausted, I feel like I can't catch up.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like there's like a stress in my body.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like mentally, I feel fine, emotionally, I feel fine.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm exercising, eating right, um, reading my Bible, praying, like I'm doing all these things, but I just don't feel good in my body.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_04: I feel stressed.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: And so we talked through that.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: And then the second thing that happened is I just said, Hey, I feel like I'm Sabbathing and it's not working.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't think I'm powerful enough to break the Sabbath because I'm not the Lord of it.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: So I think something else is here that I don't understand.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm physically doing the ritual, but I'm not being replenished.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: And I wish that in that moment I would have figured out how to take some time off or like step away or ask more questions, but we were having the open dialogue to it.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know, hindsight's always 2020.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_04: And so I was having all of those feelings, and then all of a sudden, we had some things happen within our local community that just required extra pastoral care.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_04: I had a grandmother that passed away, and a few weeks later I had an uncle that passed away.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: And so I'm having all these things happen in my life, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it was almost as if my physical body started to match what I believed my, you know, not to get too into the weeds, but my cortisol levels were.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I went to the hospital once thinking it was a heart thing, and I was there for seven hours getting tests, and then it happened again we a week later, and it in that time the episode lasted for but like four to six hours.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_04: And then I got home, they told me everything was fine, and then it was happening again, and that's where I was like, oh, this is something different than a like it's still a medical event, but this is something different than an emergency of uh that they would take me to the ER for.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: And then I had 10 nights of sleepless nights where I just wasn't able to sleep at night, and all of this is happening.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: And what what I love what I'm grateful for is number one, I was grateful for the community that I was in because they took care of me.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: And number two, I was grateful for the glaring warning lights that I couldn't ignore anymore, that I couldn't say, Oh, I'm gonna get to that next year, or oh, it's about to be the holiday season, I'll rest around Christmas.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: Because I think sometimes when we push off rest and restoration, we never can make up for it.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's almost like sleep.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know how they say sleep, you can't make up for past sleep, like it just doesn't work that way.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I and I do believe that that our souls are the same way.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think all of those concoctions led me to where I was of having the, you know, I maybe it's a breakdown, I don't know.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like it was a breaking.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I was saying, and I had the breaking.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: And so for anyone listening, you know, I just I saw someone post the other day that they were like, hey, it just got back from the hospital.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_04: This happened, that happened, this happened, that happened.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, same.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_04: And they didn't have the language for it, and I didn't have the language for it.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_04: And so I I it's been so incredible to be on this side of it.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a TV watcher and I know that not everyone watches the shows that other people watch, but I I've loved Ted Lasso, I think it's an incredible show.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I watched Ted Lasso the first time through, having no knowledge of what a panic attack was.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: Couldn't even fake one if I tried.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: And then I just watched it again recently through on this side of panic attacks, and I was like, oh my gosh, like same.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_04: Amen.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_04: I I hear you.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think you know, I hate this term, the body keep score.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody says it.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's like like, you know, the body keep score.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, I do you know that?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what did you read the book?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a textbook.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't even read it.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: It was really hard to read.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's heavy, no, and so I you know, people say that, but it it is true, is that the body keep score, and so you gotta like you know, when you're in sports and the score is running up, you have to take a time out sometimes and be like, hey, what's the game plan?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: And I just I wish I would have taken a time out.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and thank you for sharing that.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_05: I I feel like no problem that requires vulnerability for one, but I'm guessing that there's someone who really needed to hear that and to go, oh, okay.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_05: Because I I just want to say, I mean, I again I've read Jess's books and you know, followed you guys for a season.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: I know that you have been through hard things in your childhood, and it's not like you didn't address them.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: And so I'm just raising my hand to the like, I have addressed things again and again and again, and still things need to be addressed.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_05: And so I just want to speak to that moment of going, it's okay if there's another layer, it doesn't have to be about your childhood, it can be new things because of your childhood, and life is just hard, and so if your body is telling you you need to break, yeah, there pay attention.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and that's exactly what happened is what it's like living in this world is like you think that all the stuff you dealt with in the past, there's just like a new layer to it, and you know, I just hit 41 and it makes you think things about life, and so it's like, all right, here we go.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: I'm processing everything all over again.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, oh there must be something about that.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_05: My kids who are all teenagers, and I'm in my mid 40s, they're like, Mom, you've got like still half of your life to go or something, and I'm like, I'm like, is that supposed to be exciting or encouraging?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: You know, the things kids say, um, they, you know, and their perspective, right?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yes, yes.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: I think you're raising a few as well.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_05: But I would just say, you know, there's just gonna be sometimes new pieces, new layers, new things, and it impacts our day now.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_05: And as much as we would like to just go, hey, I took care of that, we boxed it up, we put it away on the shelf, it's fine.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, maybe it's raising teenagers even that can bring some of these things out where we start acting like exactly 15-year-old, 16-year-olds, and like, shoot, here I am again.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_05: Reverting.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_05: Well, thank you for sharing a little bit more about this.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I have a couple more questions here and we'll finish up.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_05: I, as I mentioned, I felt like you you really took the war of art, took it to the level that I've been needing and what I've been I'm excited to give fellow coaches and entrepreneurs.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_05: But would you give a little bit of insight on the layout?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_05: Because that was also something my husband was like, this is awesome.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_05: I mentioned he's an audiobook guy, he doesn't love to read, and but like he faithfully, in just a couple of settings, read through your book, which is phenomenal.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_05: And part of it, he's like, I love how this is laid out.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_05: So, since we don't have we don't have television on a podcast or you know, all of the things, can you walk us through it?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_05: And maybe even like the inspiration behind it.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: So when I was working with Tyndall, my publisher, is I just said, hey, listen, the person that reads this book is probably going through it because the first mock-ups, they were like squiggly lines and all, and I was like, hey, they need order, they need peace, they need structure, they need like it just needs to be fresh and clean and life-giving.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_04: And so I am of the belief that creativity and beauty reflect the heart of God.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_04: And so sometimes you see the Picasso and you're like, that's what it's like living here.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's like the no nose is on this side, the eye is that, you know, like, but for for me, I was like, I really want someone to feel peaceful when they read this book.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like if they're confused, then you know, Donald Miller, we lose like it already.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_04: And so if they see the book and it and it's already confusing, so from the design to the like, don't give up, and then at the bottom it says just yet, it's like, hey, I'm not telling you like what the world does, is like you have to keep going.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm telling you, like, hey, pause, let's take a beat, let's talk about it.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_04: And then at the end of it, if you still feel like you need to give up or walk away, or you know, whatever, there's grace for the give ups.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_04: But in the meantime, don't give up just yet.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: So there's that, and then the color green, green means new life, and so I wanted people to feel that, and then the book itself.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_04: This is why you saying that about your husband and such testimony is I came to Tindow when we write wrote this, and I was like, team, if people can't finish this book, then we failed.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_04: This cannot be the one more thing that they cannot finish in their life, because I know how I feel is like sometimes I don't read the end of the book, and it's not that it's it's just sometimes I don't finish a book, and that's okay.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: And I think for the longest time I was like, I've got to finish this book, and I'm like white knuckling it to finish the book.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, this cannot be that book.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like they have to be able to make it through because not only do I want to encourage them, I want the reader to say, Hey, I just finished a book.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: I don't normally read a book.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: And so, anyway, all that to say is everything you just shared is like exactly what we were going for.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: It is I wanted the actual process of the book, the feel of the book, the look of the book to correlate with the message of the book.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_04: And Tyndale did a phenomenal job.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they truly nailed it.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, this it's excellent.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's just so so good.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_05: And it's it's inspiring and it's a reminder to your point.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, when we're going through chaos, we need that calm, the simplicity, the dialing it in.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_05: Can you just give me the information I need to know?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I've been big on it lately because of the people I work with, but we gotta cut through the fluff here.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_05: We just like yes, we throw out the bones for us and just give us the meat.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_05: We can go soak it and make it broth later if we need to, but just give us the meat.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_05: So so good.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_05: You've done that.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_05: For us for right now, I know my friends are gonna want to follow you on social media if they're not already.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_05: They're gonna need to get this book.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_05: And for those who have joined my mentorship program, they would have already probably received this book as my gift to them to encourage them in their process.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, serious, like I'm not just saying it, it truly, I'm like, okay, I have a good excuse to give this book to because it's so it's that important.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_05: And that meaningful.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_05: So what else is there, you know, just something else that you feel led that today we need to hear and and we need to leave with this conversation.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so one of the things I talk about in the book, and and if you've read it, you'll understand.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_04: If you're gonna read it, you'll understand, is that I think a lot of times we get so discouraged by the resistance in our life, and we see that resistance is this thing, and it's like, well, if it's hard here, I need to go somewhere else.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: And one of the things that I talk about in the book is like usually resistance is actually a place where you know you're heading in the right direction.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I say all that to say, just you know, as your listeners are listening, like a lot of us are going through really hard things and things that we thought we were supposed to do, and we're second guessing them.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_04: We're like, hey, I thought I was supposed to do this, but it got impossible.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_04: And the question I would leave them with is, why do you think it's impossible?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: Chances are, is because there's probably an incredible harvest for you and the kingdom of God on the other side of the hard.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_04: But in order to see the harvest, you've got to get through the heart.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think the only thing I would just say is, hey, see the resistance as affirmation that you're a child of God, that he loves you, that he's called you, that he's ordained you, that he's placed you, and he's anointed for whatever you're doing.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_04: And it's hard because the enemy doesn't want you to do it.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I think sometimes we get too in the weeds and we're like, oh my gosh, this and that bill and this impossible situation.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: And when we forget that that's exactly how it's supposed to be.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_04: And our calling isn't broken, our God isn't broken, and the only thing we've broken is the enemy in this world.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: And so we've just got to you know press on and know that you know, Galatians 6.9, there's a harvest on the other side if we do not give up.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_04: So that's the one thing I would say.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that is perfect.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: Brilliant.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Nick.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you so much for your time, for your words, for this book.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_05: I just feel so blessed and honored to get to be a part of sharing it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, thank you.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_05: So, so good.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having me.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: What a great time.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_05: Oh man, I know that I went on about all of the ways that I love this book.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm sure that you can tell from this conversation alone that I am very sincere about you getting your hands on this resource if you resonated with this conversation at all.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_05: Now, if you're one of my collective coaches or are in the new round of my mentorship, don't order it because it is headed your way as my gift to you to welcome you to this new season with me, but also because I think this is going to be so helpful for you as a business owner.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, but if you don't fit in that group, but you're a coach, you're a business owner, writer, creator, please do yourself a favor and order this book right now for yourself.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, friends, you know the drill.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_05: I would be honored to have you leave a review or a message for Nick on Instagram to let him know how much you appreciated this conversation.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, I'd love to hear from you too.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_05: You can message me on Instagram or email me.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_05: It's always encouraging to hear that the conversation was beneficial to you.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_05: Of course, you might want to share this conversation with a friend or family member who's ready to give up.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_05: Next week, I'm going to be back with another incredible conversation with a very wise pastor, Dr.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_05: Shane Stanford.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_05: He's author of the Life Along Way series, which is four incredible books that take you chronologically through the study and the life of Jesus.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's a meaningful and stirring conversation, and I can't wait to share it with you.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_05: Until next time, friend, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for your simply, wholehearted life.