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A Journey Through Weight Management: A Taste of Acceptance with Mike Pridgen · In Moderation

• 0:21
  Speaker 2: welcome to in moderation the show where we give you a moderate dose of info sarcasm and we already know we're not approved welcome to episode 31 of in moderation.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: And we're here with somebody who's wearing our merch because he's cool like that.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Look at that to everyone listening.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Can you see what he's wearing?
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: to all of you who can read backwards, all of the uh, all of the audio, of giving you that visual imprint on your brain, right?
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: yeah, on this episode we have mike pigeon.
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: How you doing?
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, there it is never heard that one before it's so close to pigeon I want it to be pigeon.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: Pigeon's not that bad that was the only thing that the high school kids had against me, like ah, pigeon, I'm like really that's what you got.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: It's really not that bad.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: I would just go by that if it was me of like a'd have a nickname like hey pigeon, like.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: That's not okay, are they rats?
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: with wings?
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: What if we roll the?
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: R.
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: Like pigeon Ooh, that's fancy, I'm an exotic bird.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: I'll take that one.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, how you doing, mike, what's up it's been fantastic.
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: I am a little bit hungry, though.
• 1:35
  Speaker 3: If you guys don't mind, if I, I knew it had to be something weird.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how people like banana Laffy Taffy.
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: Like I love bananas, I eat lots of bananas.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: It doesn't taste like bananas and people say, oh, people say it's supposed to be like the old banana, the gross Michelle, or whatever it was, but like I looked into it, there's no evidence for that.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: There's no supporting evidence for that, really.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: So I just feel like it tastes terrible, like they just made a terrible tasting candy.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: Well, you already know, we don't need supporting evidence to make claims on the Internet anymore.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: This is true.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: You can pretty much just say whatever you want.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: That's not a prerequisite.
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, these are not something that I want to have in moderation or at all.
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to eat this on the stream.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: You just wanted to troll us.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good, good job, good job, the only one that is soft enough to really eat.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: The other ones are kind of hard, so like that's the only thing that's going for.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: Whatever softness probably causes it to be soft is probably what makes it taste absolutely horrible and I, just I, I don't, I don't get it.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: I don't get how people like it.
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: It will never make sense to me.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't get how people like bananas.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: So.
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: I've got some bananas.
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: I can grab too, If you want to.
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: I can eat these on stream too.
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: Well, Liam, Liam, you're doing this episode on your own Later guys Later.
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: Banana.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 2:57
  Speaker 3: I will say, though, every time I take a bite of one of these banana Laffy Taffys, my blood glucose meter that I've not gotten prescribed by a doctor, but that I bought online is spiking because I'm eating food.
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to start, oh man.
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: How should I be my diet on that?
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: That's another person I get tagged in all the time is the guy who just eats random things and text tests his blood meter.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what do you want me to do?
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: Like, what do I do with?
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Sure, if he just wants to eat random food and then just test his blood glucose, sure go right ahead, have fun with that.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: I guess I don't know, pro tip it's almost like
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: it's gonna go up, yeah, no matter what you eat anything, your blood glucose is gonna go up.
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: That's your body's reaction to it.
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: Now, some things will spike it a little more, a little less, but if you're trying to go for like a flat line, you gotta die.
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: It's just nothing, yeah nothing.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: But there's people that'll say that's good too so weird.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, now that we have you on the podcast, I guess we should give us a little uh background to your story, like because you do social media as well.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: That's how we met.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: What do you talk about mostly?
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know you're gonna ask me questions.
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: People are gonna dox me on a podcast.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: I know it rarely happens well, I lost 110 pounds a lot of times.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: So I say 110 top.
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: It's not top to bottom, it's up and down and up and down and up and down.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: I probably lost like 600, 700 pounds all in.
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: And when you ask just about anybody, that's what they're going to say is I lost this amount of weight.
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: But really they've gone up and down and up and down, and up and down.
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: I'm most proud of keeping that weight off.
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in the fastest way to get down.
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in the quickest way or the most optimal way.
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: I'm interested in the way that keeps me down because I'm tired of going back up.
• 4:34
  Speaker 3: Now I help other people do the same thing and I do so through kindness and through reframing negative self-talk, because a lot of us have that negative internal monologue that bogs us down.
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: It's one of the things that manifests as weight on our bodies is negative self-talk.
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: Now it sounds a little bit wooey and all that kind of stuff, but if you watch my stuff, I'm not looking for like affirmations or anything.
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: It's just it's more so like how can we apply these practical changes, like the stuff you guys talk about, without it leading to eating disorder, behavior and hatred and all that kind of stuff.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: So you're not on the internet to scare people.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, I will never peddle fear.
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: Then you're never going to make any money.
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: I am certainly not approved the way that I go about things, especially with this banana.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: Wait you guys, you're not getting the big pharma money I've been getting anyway.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, that's not important.
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: Mike, so like take us through.
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not on opendoctorcom, I don't have to reveal any of that Socialized medicine, liam, I'm sorry.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry no-transcript.
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: It's you know 300 pounds, something like that.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: Like oh my God, I have to make a change.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: What did you eat last night?
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: I never want to feel this way again.
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: It honestly was sort of an offhanded decision.
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: I was handed a bottle of kefir probiotic which to those not familiar it's like yogurt's evil twin by a friend who was similarly rotund to me and he had said you know, this helps with cravings.
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: And up till that point I hadn't considered that the way I was eating was me satisfying craving.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: That was just the way that I ate.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, oh okay, so I tried it and it made me sick because it's disgusting.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: So in that sense it helped.
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: It's fizzy yogurt that's like watered down.
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: It's awful.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: So it's like apple cider vinegar.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: You know you don't?
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll lose weight if you drink apple cider vinegar.
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: It tastes like ass and you make you nauseous.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: Nothing better for weight loss than being nauseous.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: No, it'll make you sick to death.
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously not the way to go about it, because I gained weight back 20 more times after that.
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: But right, it sort of triggered the idea in my mind that I had control over the shape of my body.
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like you know, I am a little bit chubby.
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: I could lose some weight and I started by cutting out all of my food and biking for 30 miles a day.
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: It was not eating disorder behavior at that point.
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: I just thought that's what you were supposed to do?
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: Were you cutting anything out specifically?
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: Was it just like I'm just eating less?
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Or were you like, okay, I'm getting rid of, quote unquote, all the bad stuff like that sort of thing?
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: It was kind of just like food in general.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: I was not eating very much at all and at that point, with all that weight on my body, I was like kind of fine in the beginning and some people can get tricked in the very beginning because you can survive without food for a little while your body can handle it.
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: It's just not optimal and it's not going to last long and I found that out the hard way.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: I lost maybe 35 pounds that summer and then September rolled around.
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: It got a little too cold.
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: Remember when it used to get cold and I had to go back inside and I put the weight back on.
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: And that was the first time that I was struggling mentally negatively with my weight was when the weight came back on.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't quite realize up till that point that you can I mean, you don't have to go super deep into it but did you get kind of feelings like oh, this like as like a failure, like wow, you know I lost all this weight and now I'm putting it back on?
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: Did you kind of have this like screw it moment and then you started eating more, like just kind of you know what was it?
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: like, First off anyone who's coming here following me.
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: You already have seen me cry probably two times this week, so it's I get real deep into it.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: You can ask me anything, Um, but yeah, I, it was really rough.
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: I'm, I was like fuck it, yeah, I'm just going to eat whatever I was.
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: Uh, I was drinking soda like an alcoholic.
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: At that point it was rough, Like I had given myself kidney stones a couple of times and kidneys don't suck oh, yeah, yeah, they're terrible, super, super bad.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: So it was, yeah, I turned back because I'm like, well, I may as well just go back to the way I was living before, because at least I was happy then and I had conflated that happiness with just the absence of the joy that I was having in my current situation.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Right then, yeah, that sums up nicely why so many diets fail right there, and you kind of look back on those times You're like, oh, I had all that food.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: I was happier then we always have you know, I don't know.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: We kind of look through the rose colored glasses right.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: You look through the past like, oh, I feel I was happier back then.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, that's, yeah, that stuff.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: So what then?
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: So then your kind of next step, was it like after the winter that you were like, okay, let me try this again, like let's do.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: Did you do the same thing after that?
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: Pretty much.
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that started what I call spring cleaning, which is the cycle that I try to break people out of now, which is, you know, it's starting to come back around, the year ends, the holidays are behind us and we're like, okay, now there's not a lot of eating holidays in front of me.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to start trying to get in shape again and that bug tended to hit me around like February, march every year.
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm like spring cleaning and, yeah, I was kind of doing the same thing.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't change anything about the approach because in my mind, I had lost 35 pounds.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: Right, it worked the first time.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked just like keto works.
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: You know, intermittent fasting works.
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: It's just how long are you going to do it and how is it going to stick around?
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: So I just went back to doing the same thing I had done before.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: And was your mindset at that point kind of like, okay, I'm going to do it again, but this time I'm just not going to fuck up, this time I'm just not.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to always do it and I'm just never going to.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do what I did last time at the end?
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, last time I just wasn't dedicated enough.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: Last time I just didn't do it right.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: I got to do it more.
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: This time I got to do it, and it always starts out with the best of intentions.
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, as we go on, you'll see, it does not always start with the best of intentions, because that cycle can only happen so many times before you're just doing it to spite yourself.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: And that's where I was, you know.
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: You fast forward a couple of years and I'm once again after I've tried like some real diets, so to speak.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: Air quotes, big air quotes for those listening on Spotify.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, they heard it, don't worry, yeah, they heard it.
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: It was bad.
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: I would tried the keto.
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: If carnivore was around at that point I would have done it it's.
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: I tried some of the off-the-shelf walmart supplements which are just basically diuretics.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: It's not doing anything uh, did you watch any videos?
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: Were you into like, oh yeah, you can lose weight this fast by taking these pills and then you go pick them up, or like was it just kind of like I'll just grab random shit and hope it will see what happens?
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: at that point it's, I feel, like the the scammer culture has either.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just more in tune to it now, but I don't think it was as permeable as it is like.
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was as involved in the culture as it is currently, where we didn't have Bobby's.
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: We had them like online, but maybe it was more like I feel like more before it was on, like more maybe YouTube and that sort of stuff, and now with these short form platforms, you know you just you don't choose kind of what you watch, it's kind of just given to you you know, right.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: So it's just you're flipping through and then just something pops up and it catches your eye like, oh, I've been trying to lose weight and this person lost 20 pounds of poop in like two days.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: So like, let me try that you know what I'm saying like let me think I keep getting tagged in these videos, these like rectal cleanses or whatever the fuck they are, I don't know and people like ask what talk about this?
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like they lost a fucked on a poop.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Like what do you want?
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Like it's a laxative, what do you?
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: want.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: So you will lose weight it's it's just not fat weight and you're gonna feel skinnier because, yeah, there's just a whole bunch of crap sitting in your colon right now I'm I'm kind of curious for you, like when did you?
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: was there kind of a moment you're like, okay, wait a second.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: Some of this is weight and some of it this is fat, and I'm sort of figuring out the difference between the two of them.
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't figure that out until I had overshot my goal weight by 10 pounds without noticing that I had done it.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Really yeah.
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: There are pictures and you know I don't know if you've got a video component of this I listen on Spotify.
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: You could flash the picture up, I'll send it to you.
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: I am skeletal at this point I'm six, three.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: Just for reference, I was 155 pounds.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not good.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, no.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: In short, not good.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, rob's eyes just like yeah no, the lowest I ever got was one 70 ish Like that was, and that got pretty lean at like one 70.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: I'm the same height, so like, yeah, it's, that's, that's pretty damn lean.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine 155 on you.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: It's not going to be good.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so and I've got this big round head and that doesn't shrink when you lose weight.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: No-transcript.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Like six hours a day, I was barely eating anything and I thought I was fat the whole time.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: And you'll see I'll send you the picture afterward I am not.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: There's not an ounce of fat on my body at that point.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: And I weighed myself the day that I took that picture and I was devastated because I had overshot my goal weight by 10 pounds.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: I was always aiming for 165, which I had hit four times prior, and if the goal weight's ever going to fix you, then you would have stayed there, but it doesn't.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: You then it what.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: You would have stayed there, but it doesn't.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: So I remember taking that picture and trying to smile through it because I wanted my after picture to match it, because afterwards I just broke down crying.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was me, realizing that the number going down was never going to make me happier yeah, that's something I see a lot.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: We equate happiness with the scale and we just think if we lose for a lot of people it is you think if you lose weight you're just gonna feel better, but like every once, I think that's a prime example right there you get to a point you're like oh shit yeah, this is that.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: I went too far and I checked BMI chart like just to see what.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Where am I supposed to be?
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: What's my roundabout range?
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: And it's, it was like hey stop.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I think my BMI range was stopped.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: The BMI just was in big red letters like you've gone too far.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: It was like don't do this anymore.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: You're you're going to float away.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: But like it's, even it took on the shitty relative comments.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: You're going to float away if you get too light.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Um yeah, so that's where I was and that's kind of that was the Genesis of realizing like I need to do something different.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: I can't have a goal date anymore.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: I can't have a goal range, I just need to be healthy, whatever that costs and however long it takes.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: So, what was your plan after that?
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: What did you?
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Did you just like okay, I'm going to eat a little bit more and move a little bit less, was that?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Was that your goal?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Kind?
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: of yeah Well, at that point it was getting to be like September-ish again.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: And my thought process at that point cause we know what happens as the fall comes around I'm going to gain weight if I'm not careful.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: So how am I going to do this in a way that is sustainable, in a way that's going to benefit me?
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Um, in a way that's controlled, because I see people putting on muscle, obviously that's got to be weight, right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: So I that was the first time ever that I had tracked calories.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: I'd never tracked calories before.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So that whole time when you were like going up and down and losing weight, you were just like I'm eating less, I'm moving more.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: That's my plan I lost a hundred% of my weight without tracking calories.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Now, mind you, that's like you know I'll often conflate this to.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: If I were to offer either of you a $50 bill right now, no catch, would you take it?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, 50 of just like.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Hey, here's 50 bucks.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here you go.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: It's your birthday, I don't care how much money I make.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: There's bucks, yeah, here you go.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: It's your birthday, I don't care how much money I make, there's always 50 bucks, I'm sure I can find something to base.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Happy birthday both of you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like my entire year salary on tiktok, thanks creator fund.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Um, yeah, we're, uh, we're all struggling right now.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Um, so let me rephrase that a little bit now, rob, you don't have kids, right?
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: No, just a cat.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is is kind of a kid.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: You know Now, liam, you do, though she's not quite old enough to be in this example yet, but a kid walks up to you with a $50 bill and you can't explain where it came from.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Or would I take $50 from a child?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Not take it from them.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: But now you're like Would I take $50 from a child, not take it from them?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: But now you're like this isn't a good thing anymore why?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: do you have $50?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is important, that is very important.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: But especially know if they have a Cockney accent, because I assume they're poor and that they've got it somewhere.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know Sorry to all the Cockney accent people.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: When a kid suddenly has $50 and you can't figure out where it came from, you start panicking and you have to figure out like did this come from somewhere?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Did you steal this?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Did you earn it?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of not good possibilities for a child having $50 for something that would ordinarily be a good thing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Did a white man in a white van give it to you?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a good possibility there.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: That was the way that I look at my weight loss.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I kept finding $50, but I couldn't explain where it came from.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a solid income source.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Also, it was a little bit suspicious when is this coming from?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Is this good that I have it?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: The answer, ultimately, at the end, was no, because the way that I lost it was.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: This is like probably the most uplifting episode you guys have ever had, isn't it?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: most of the time, it's definitely the quietest liam's been yeah, it's usually me just yelling about some video I've seen or some bullshit, like it's always something, yeah weight loss is depressing as shit.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Everybody like it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: That's why I want to try to inject kindness and and compassion into the thing it's like.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Weight loss should just be a side effect of making your life better.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I like that so after so.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Then you got to that point where you overshot your weight.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Were you able then to climb back up into the way you are now, and then you were able to stabilize from there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Is that kind of how it finished off?
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: So at that point I was like I need to figure out how to keep my weight where it is, which at that point I didn't know quite how dangerous that might have been at that weight.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But I just wanted to figure out if I could stay one size and not go up or down.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So thus began the experiments of like I'm going to weigh myself every day and just use it as a data point and figure out how many calories it takes for me to stay here and then I'll start going up, cause I didn't want to start putting on weight and not know how fast it was coming, how many installments of 50 I was getting, how quickly, and eventually it just got to a point where I'm like I know what my body requires to stay where I am.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I had never considered weight as being like a one thing.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It was always up or down, because you always had had a goal before that he always had.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm just trying to lose weight, so I just move more, I eat less.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: That's my goal, right?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: So that's all it was.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: It was the weights either going up or it's going down.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: So you don't.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: You don't count calories.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Do you count calories now?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I track.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Sometimes um depends on what my goals are.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Uh, there are times where I just sort of fall out of it and I'm so in tune with my hunger signals now that it doesn't bother me or affect me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cause um kind of just use it as a tool to, if you start drifting, make sure you bring yourself back.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Right, cause that was my question is like, when you started to count calories, were you able to just kind of uh, you know, roughly eyeball things in the future after that Cause I find that's true for a lot of people you start counting calories for a little bit and you realize, oh, this is roughly how many calories in this and that, and I can kind of put things together and well, that's why you try to coast from there, if you will.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: That's the reason we track the.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: The scale, the kitchen scale, is not an accountability system, it's an educational tool.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: It teaches you how much food you're supposed to be consuming.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It teaches you what does it?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Because they say limit your portions, make your portion sizes smaller.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: What the fuck does that mean?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: What?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: No one tells us, because what that meant to me in the very beginning was don't eat anything.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: That's limiting my portion you're eating too much.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You need to eat less.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: That's basically so yeah, eat less, move more obviously is like the aerial view of the whole thing, but like we have to look closer, because eating less and moving more is what I did for five and a half years and it damn near killed me right.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Had I not stopped, it would have been awful yeah, that leads to the people that think they have to do the severe restrictions and people going down to 1200 calories can we talk about the 1200 calorie myth for a second, yeah, the 1200 calories is something to see a lot yeah, it's.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Do you know where that came from?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Where it originated from.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: The first recorded evidence we have is 19th century medicine, when they were still treating the ick with cocaine and leeches.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: If you went to the doctor's office, that's what wellness is all about.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That's all it is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Are those?
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: approved.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Cocaine makes you feel better.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I mean holy shit.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: If you went to the doctor's office and they said, hold on, we're cryogenically unfreezing your doctor from the 19th century right now, would you want to have that doctor or would you demand someone from today?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: That's what happens when we go on 12 and a half.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: That's my question, because if they're really imbalanced, then I want the old-timey doctor.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Otherwise I'll take the doctor With the big twirly mustaches.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about all the wellness people that would be like yeah, let's go with the 19th century guy.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: They really would.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: There is a couple of people listening to us right now.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: They're like oh, they're going to give me a tube full of bees to cure my hysteria.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Awesome, let's go for it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I'll put you upside down and shake you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: So, like what was the?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: So the 1,200 calories came from the 19th century.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: like, yeah that was the first time we have it recorded.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: When they didn't we didn't have calorimeters.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: At that point we didn't.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: We were just basically kind of figuring stuff out, and it was also based on nothing, because we they were developing hand washing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: At the same time, the 1200 calorie diet came around, and then fast forward to the 1920s.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Who does that get set out to?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Who are we pushing the 1200 calorie diet on women?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Because it works right, brings you down, makes you have a slimmer figure, keeps you pregnant in the kitchen.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: It's not good, though, and we're still doing it now, and I'm sick of it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'll spend the rest of my life.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: 1200 calories is like for like a child, like a small child could definitely that seems like a decent number.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: So if you're a small child or a little dog, first off, like go enjoy life.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Stop listening to podcasts right now.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: This is for adults, depressed adults.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: We're all dying here right now.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Go out there while you still have serotonin in your brain.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: It's unless you're like three feet tall.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Don't do it, yeah but I think just a lot of people get to the point where they think they need 1200 calories because they've tried a lot of things and it hasn't worked.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You know, eventually you're just like, well, okay, screw it, I just need to go for the nuclear option and just eat that and they tend to be bad at counting calories, like these people who think they're doing 1200 and they're saying they're gaining weight.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: You're not doing 1200 yeah, I see, I do see a lot of people say like I gain weight at 1200 calories and I'm like I really I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not trying to be, you know, a dick here, but like if you are actually in 1200 calories, I find it near impossible that you're gaining unless you have some sort of really rare condition, your body just by default, just to exist, is going to use at least 1400 for a small woman and I think maybe, because I mean here's the thing like for a lot of people maybe they are eating 1200 calories for a few days and then maybe the other few days they eat, yeah, 3000 or whatever it is, go nuts on the weekend, right, exactly.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: It's like people think a calorie deficit is just like it resets, like it, the other few days they eat 3000 or whatever it is.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Go nuts on the weekend, right, exactly.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's like trying to hold your breath.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: People think a calorie deficit is just like it resets.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Like it resets every day or something like you know it's over the weeks, months, a year, like it's just constant.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It's just a constant thing it's.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It's like you know how the grand Canyon is formed at a time it's not going to all pop up at once.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: You have to keep sending water through there and slowly it will erode and go away.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: That's the way that it is.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So I mean now I'm kind of curious, like then when you started counting calories, like what were some things that you found that were like helpful for you and just kind of maintaining your weight, like either thought process or like in terms of food, just like you know what was what helped?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Well, my thought process, then and this is something that I still help people with to this very day is understanding that I am a work in progress and that's not only okay, but that's the best thing I've ever done for myself is just allow myself to continue to be a work in progress, because, one, it takes the pressure off how great is it to not have a deadline?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And two, how great is it to not know how great I will eventually be?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So that was something that I developed pretty quickly, was like I, it started off in spite.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: It started off as like I'm never going to finish this, so I may as well just keep going, and that eventually spiraled into it being positive.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: It's like oh, I'm getting good things out of this, so why not just keep going?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You're slowly becoming better at living.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think, taking the pressure off.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the most important things for people, because they just feel so much pressure in order to achieve whatever goal they set for themselves and a lot of times, that goal that they set for themselves is pretty extreme.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So just be like hey, I'm human, like it, whatever goal they set for themselves, and a lot of times that goal that they set for themselves is pretty extreme.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So just be like hey, I'm human, like it's fucking fine, Like oh shit, I failed.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Oh well, whatever, I had a bad day, I have 5,000 more days.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all good.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of days.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Chances are, most of the people listening to us right now are going to live longer than 14 days, or 21 days, or you know whatever these programs are like.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: You got to lose all the weight in a month.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: No, you don't, for what took you years they get shorter.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: We used to be in like the 21 days.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like now it's like you have to lose a certain amount of time in like a week.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Like a week is kind of the max, so then you just need to shit your brains out everything's like I lost seven pounds in seven days.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I tell you if I cut out all carbs in my diet, lost all my glycogen, which holds on to water, and then just get a full on colon cleanse I'd lose a fistful of laxatives I could lose a ton of weight.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I could lose a lot.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I used to start my diets with laxatives.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Anytime I would go back into that spring cleaning phase, I'd start with laxatives.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I had this colon cleanse smoothie.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: It was despicable.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Guys like it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember the recipe anymore.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it's lost I hope the colon cleanse came after the smoothie, not before the smoothie like it wasn't the ingredient, right?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: no, well, it was.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's no, no, geez, hey, I mean, if we're going back to nausea being the cure for overeating, that's a good start.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Drinking my own duty Not recommended, probably also not approved.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I think we could all agree on that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the four of us, yeah, but I feel like I mean, I've seen the drinking the urine thing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: We're not that far off.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say we got.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Was it Brecca or Asprey?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: That was like injecting their own urine.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It was Asprey.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Brecca is probably not far behind, but Asprey for now.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Well, he's too busy eating his own ass.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if he'd have time to drink his pee.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: No, Brecca, sorry.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: No, Asprey was injecting your urine.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: You don't drink it, but that's stupid.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: You inject your urine.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: That makes a lot more sense.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: We're not joking, by the way.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: No, I'm 100% serious, that was a real thing.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: God, that's just like I laugh, because if I don't, then it's going to kill me by secondhand sepsis.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: You laugh.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Liam yells.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I just put my head down on my cat and cry.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So then, how was your coasting after you decided to not inject your own urine or, you know, completely blow out your rectum?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I still do that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I still inject my own urine.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: That's part of my every day.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, After that it just everything got easier because there was no deadline.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I could try things out.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: If something didn't work it's cool, it didn't work.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I'll try something else and I have slowly between then and now it's been about almost two years now built the plan that I have currently.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons that my username is the thing Mike needs a plan.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a call out to the universe of like I lost 110 pounds, but I'm still figuring this thing out.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I still need a plan and if you're living your life right, you should be too, and just finding the plan is it's just difficult.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: So I get so many people like send me messages and stuff, like I want a rubric.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: They ask like I want an exact, an exact plan, and I'm like I can't give that to you, like I would love to, I'd love to know you know exactly what to tell you, but I, I don't and you don't like no, we it's finding that out.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It just takes time and a lot of trial and error no, I always say.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I always say, like I'm somebody that loves broccoli, there's a lot of people that don't like broccoli.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: A plan, there you go.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Mike does not like broccoli.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Mike likes bananas and banana laffy taff and banana Laffy Taffy and banana Laffy Taffy.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, a plan for me is going to include a fair amount of broccoli, carrots, peas, all these vegetables.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I love vegetables.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: It's not going to include a lot of fruit.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not a big fruit person.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: If I try to give that plan to you, are you going to be able to follow that?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: No, it would follow that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: No, it would be great.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if you were to follow my plan exactly and you stuck to it, it would.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: You'd probably get decent results.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of other people then mike with like do you, do you coach other people right now, or is it?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I mean just kind of curious, like I love to just ask people who coach others like what are general things?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You see that you know it's something that works for people, that people that helps them in some way.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Is there just any general trends?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Most people that come to me know they're not getting a meal plan, they're not getting an exercise plan.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: They're familiar with my content.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: They know that we're looking to try to get to the root of the human being that's sitting in front of me.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: That's what we're doing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving them stuff to do immediately.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: We're just talking about, like, where do you come from?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: What are your eating habits like, why are they like that?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: And we start it's.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: It's half you know, weight loss stuff and half therapy, in a way.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: There's I was about to say it more a food therapist than a nutritionist.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It's yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: It's than a nutritionist.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's um.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And also I should not be prescribing meal plans.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people prescribing yes plans.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: That shouldn't be, because I'm not allowed to be prescribing meal if you didn't know like especially, I know, in the united states, it's illegal to give people the exact foods to eat, unless you're a registered dietitian.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Then you can.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But you can do like macro what's the color?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can basically give them a certain number of like protein and this to eat and then you can kind of go from there.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: But telling people exactly what to eat is actually like-.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: A diet plan is actually considered a medical prescription.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I help people with calories.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I help them figure out, like here's round, about how many calories you need and we'll assess as we go.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And it's very generous.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: The calculator that I use is much higher than pretty much any other calculator out there.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I mention this one all the time because I think it's great the Total Daily Energy Expenditure Calculator on calculatornet.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: It is the one calculator I've found that has no financial incentive to see you drop scale weight because they're not selling anything.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I've seen some calculators that are like.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: There's this one calculator that was for breastfeeding mothers and I typed it in because I'm like let's see what it is, and it was like 1,100 calories.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: So there is not one breastfeeding mother on this planet right now, unless you're a.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I mean birds don't breastfeed.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Something's a small animal that I'm and a lack of a squirrel.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: A squirrel, maybe they're small enough that that would be okay.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Whatever, a human person, something that has nipples.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: A small thing with nipples For a human person.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Please, parents, do not do that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to give your child malnutrition.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you shouldn't be in a calorie deficit.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: breastfeeding really yeah no you should not.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: So then you kind of talk with them.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Is it more of just kind of like talking with them, like what are the foods that they like and how can they incorporate those, and what are some more nutrient-dense, lower-calorie options, how to get those in the diet, that sort of thing?
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talk about that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I'm good one-on-one with nutritional.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I could have a conversation with you guys off-camera on nutrition and be totally fluent.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I don't get into that super too much with clients because again, it's not my place, Um, but I'll talk to them about the importance of fiber, the importance of protein.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about why the macros matter and how many of them you need, why we need dietary fats the basics.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, the basics, um, and I will direct them to resources that are approved by us, not approved by the other guy, which, by the way, can you can really quick liam for my mom, who's concerned every time that I call someone out of the internet.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Can you tell my mom it's not illegal to call bobby out for being wrong they, so I will tell you anyone.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: This is america and you can sue anyone for anything.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: However, unless you are saying something that is just that you know for certain is false, that you are calling them a murderer or whatever.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's slander yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Slander Like, yeah, there's nothing they can do.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: No, you're just showing you somebody, but that doesn't mean the suit will win Exactly.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: No, you're showing his videos and you're saying here's what the science is, yeah, exactly, which is not liable in any capacity.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, we will talk a lot about hunger signals, because that was something that was really important to me was recognizing when it was that I was hungry and what the difference between just like being bored and being hungry is.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: And you would think that's not an impactful change, but that was one of the most impactful changes for me because I was a huge binge eater.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I was anyone listening right now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I promise you.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I promise you, whatever you think that you've done that you feel guilty about, I've done worse.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I used to go to Papa John's fairly regularly and I would get a large meat lovers pizza and I would tell them not to slice it and then I would bring it into my car and I would roll it up like a burrito and eat it in my car and I had McDonald's twice more that day.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: That was my pizza burrito.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: In between, yeah, it was 4,500 calories all in.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: You cannot possibly tell me it was carbs making me fat.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Part of the 4,500 calories.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are carbs in that 4,500 calories, but if I had cut out the carbs and just eaten like 3,000 calories of cheese and sausage, I'm still going to gain weight.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Carnivores- yeah, that's what comes yeah, yeah yeah, so a lot of these these come down to is, you know, pizza's bad burgers are bad, yada yada.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It's like they just have more calories and figuring out how to work them into your diet is what's important, and not eating them like a burrito in your car, like that's, you know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: These are the things we need to focus on see, I tell that story to people sometimes and they think that's, that's the time that you must've realized something was wrong, right?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: No, that was, those are some.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I was eating that under the sun Like that was a happy memory.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait for my pizza burrito in here, like I'm.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I'm excited for it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's, it's, it's not.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: That it's not and it's.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Capitalism dictates that we create a boogeyman and make you afraid of it to sell you a solution.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: That's the way that it goes, so it's.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: It's a lot easier to say here's this evil thing, come and buy my thing and your thing will change.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: It's a lot harder to tell people they can do this alone.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: They don't need to buy anything from me, they don't need to be coached by me.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: There are plenty of people that I will never work with that message me and say you know, I lost 50 pounds because I've been watching your videos.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: And like that's what it's about, for I think all of us is just when people reach out and they're like you helped me.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's, my life is different now.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: That's, honestly, the only reason I'm still doing it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's barely any other reason to do it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't even get paid.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: It's rough, it really is.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: And it's so because it's it's just I'm just thinking about it because it's it's so tough for people, because it thinks it's not like this happened overnight for them, because it's it's so tough for people because it thinks it's not like this happened overnight for them.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: They've had years, decades of people cementing these ideas in their head and it's not going to be overdone and read it's not going to be fixed.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna be fixed in one night, right?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: So that's why, yeah, you try and make I have to say the same things over and over, and I do.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I say the same things over and over because people need to hear them over and over, and and it's just like we do it a lot on this podcast, because we have to.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's the simple things.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: It's trying to get more fiber into your diet, it's trying to get more protein, trying to get more activity in any way you can it doesn't matter and and and doing that in a way that that actually is sustainable, you know did any of you think that we were gonna have careers defending this bullshit right here, this laffy taffy like we're not saying you only eat this and obviously you, liam, will not defend this, but I it's.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: We're not saying just have a diet entirely of laffy taffy when we say it's fine if you want to have one, and that's and now we're actually fighting like.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: It seems like we're fighting multiple battles, because I don't know if you saw washington post, I think it was I don't remember exactly.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It's always washington post.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It's usually that fucking rag um, they released another article saying um, dietitians are defending junk food essentially.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, you know talking about and it's very frustrating because what we're not, what we are, is really just kind of the anti-diet culture that saying you can't have those foods.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And I under, if someone like, if the only thing someone does is defend cheetos and oreos and those sorts of things, I understand how someone could think that person is promoting them.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: But like, we're really just trying to tell people like you don't have to fear foods because that sucks, like it's just, it's so.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It's debilitating to always be worried about the foods you're eating and a lot of people are.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I know some others brush those off like, oh, they're just being soft, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people really are scared, like, and you know just, trying to alleviate that and just incorporate more balance in a more reasonable way.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is that we're also combining that message with the eat things in moderation, with the eat up plenty of whole foods in your diet.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I consider my place in the food chain here for lack of a better term getting people prepared to hear the real information, because I'm not giving complex dietary information, I'm not giving the stuff that dieticians will eventually give people.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: But I want to try to rewrite the negative self-talk.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I want to rewrite all of the myths that have been instilled in us for so long to try to stoke the weight loss industry so that these people, once they do, go to dietitians and they tell them you need more complex carbs in your diet, you're allowed to have uh fats and you're allowed to have all this stuff that you cut out, like you're allowed to have potatoes.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: They will take that information and improve their lives through it what do you guys find that works for you?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: How do we get people to kind of unwind a lot of that diet culture, the advice that they've heard over decades?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: What have you seen that works For me, honestly and it's a little strange, but kind of pointing out this fact that a lot of the people giving the advice have ulterior motives they are selling some other sort of thing.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I think that helps out a lot in just telling people like hey, you see how they're advising this thing right, Did you notice they also sell something that helps with that?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: And people like, oh shit, they totally do, Like this is all just to to make money, and I think that helps people a little bit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like, how do we do that?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Like how do we get people to?
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: you know, to a lot of the people that have these kinds of notions are often the same kinds of people that are, like, you know, big pharma and and all that kind of stuff, and there's big corporations out to get us.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: They want to take advantage of us.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: You point out that the same people who are really instilling that message are also trying to take advantage of you and look towards like hey, I'm not currently selling anything right now.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I do have coaching, but all of the stuff that I'm going to give in my coaching is widely available here on my page.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: It's just not going to be targeted towards you specifically.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I offer the execution of the information to people, the individualization, but there's no paywall, there's no secret, it's all out there.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I think one of the best ways we can do this is just make the information as freely available as possible.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the main foundation for my content would be trying to simplify the science so that it's more accessible for people, right?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and sliding into the frame really cool that too.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: You don't want to know how I do that and so that's basically where I've kind of landed on my content is trying to do equal parts.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Hey, that person is a shit bag trying to scare you in order to sell something.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Equal parts hey, uh, carrots are cool like um, you don't have to eat them, just like out of the bag, it's you know, or whatever you can actually do stuff you can do you can?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: add things or whatever, like you can just do simple shit, it's, you know, or whatever, you can actually do stuff you can do.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: You can add things or whatever, like you can just do simple shit, it's it's.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It's not rocket surgery here liam and I will be streaming and I'll have a he'll.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: He'll be eating like some fun snacks and I'll have a bag of carrots that I'm just munching on I.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I, for me, it's so tough, like I don't know.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking now because, like I, I do kind of try and point out these other like little interesting snacks and whatnot that have a little bit more fiber, because, again, it's so tough.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It's just all about this balance of like, okay, so these, these snacks have more protein and more fiber, but, like, also, you still should be focusing on whole foods.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, how do you do that?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, so first thing you're going to do is try and make this recipe and meal prep it, and then you have that and then you can add things to that when it's ready.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: That's our super simple and it's just balancing all these things, like you.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Like you, I love what you said, that you know it's all work in progress.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know the fuck I'm doing.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I know I have a general idea of what I want to accomplish.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: How do I do that?
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I don't really know, but I'm doing the best I can in order to balance this information.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: For people to say, hey, calm the fuck down about this, just focus more on the basic shit.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: That is my short right there.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: That might be some of the best information right there.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Just calm the fuck down.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of hype and a lot of fear and all sorts of stuff stoking us into buying these things out of an emergency complex in our heads and it's just not that way.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: This whole thing takes time, and I know that it's difficult to take that A lot of mistakes are made through impulse.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Too many impulses Through impulse, oh yeah, yeah, too many impulses.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: You know, those impulses could be large, in the sense of putting yourself on a terribly unsustainable diet, or just an impulse in the moment where you're feeling terrible and you turn to food to try to solve that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where a lot of people can find success is in some form of planning, because we all know, like I have, I've got a daughter, I've got, you know, a bunch of shit going on.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: It's tough.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: You want to have some sort of.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: You don't have to have an exact plan, you don't need to fucking meal prep every single meal throughout the day, all these things, but just to have something in place that you know you can go to Like.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: For me, I'm just fucking basic.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: So like I grab like a sweet potato, I microwave it, I add beans that are like pre-seasoned in the can oh, my God, the sodium, I'm probably gonna die.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Whatever I add that I add like corn or whatever some cheese, like simple shit, like just knowing something I can just throw that and have it ready helps me from being like, okay, I'm just going to eat, you know, whatever else high, whatever other high calorie option there is.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I'm starting to teach modular plans, so I want people to.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: This is something that I talk about in my coaching, where I've got sort of like a list of meal modules in my head that I can build a day out of.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: So I've got like a predetermined amount of meals that I know that I can make with the ingredients that I currently have in my home, and I usually tend to have the same things every day because I'm profoundly autistic.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Most of us do most right.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Most of us like the same thing.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: We like what we like, right.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: We just I like what I like and I really just I enjoy it that way.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I enjoy the things that I eat so much that I continue to eat them, and that's something that you need to do is enjoy your process, and one of the ways you can do that is just have a bunch of meals that, like you know, you can make right now.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Make them easy.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: My dinner that I've been having every night for a year and a half I am neurotic is one pot takes 15 minutes.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: If it was any harder than that, I might not do it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So find easy meals and just sort of plug them into your day.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Have a couple of lunches, have a couple of breakfasts that you know that you can switch on to, and just pop them in.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Build a day from it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Don't be wondering what you're going to eat, because why?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: you're wondering Exactly, because when you're just like, oh, I'll figure it out later what you're going to, because when you're just like, oh, I'll figure it out later, what you're gonna figure out is to order something from somewhere.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Right, like that's what you're gonna figure out which is not a problem, but decide that and if it, happens all the time
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: yeah oh, that's going to lead generally to excess calories, right?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: So like, just have just just something, and that's why I try and show so many different, like little recipes and try and keep it simple, you know those have been really my um, one of my little tricks.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That isn't actually specifically food related, but in regards to, like, people ask me, how do I stay so calm with everything?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: How do I, how do I know so much All these things?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: It's because whenever I'm presented with something, whenever somebody is arguing against me, whenever you know these things pop up, I suppress that initial impulse to react.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I take the time and I just, you know, I just have that zen moment.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Calm down or sorry, sorry, god put it like liam says calm the fuck down calm the fuck down calm the fuck down, you can't, you take that minute.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Just calm the fuck down, wait until you can think rationally and then process.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: A lot of us process while we're eating.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: In the beginning, like I know that I would sort of accompany every emotion happy, sad, scared, confused, whatever it was, horny with food.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Horny with food, eh yeah, I mean, that's a whole other podcast episode.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: That's a whole other website.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys will see that content here very soon.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: We're all looking for money.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Thanks creator program.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I'll often describe emotional eating as an epipen.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: This is sort of unpopular, so you're going to get the inside scoop here.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I believe there is a function for emotional eating Every once in a while.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: It does occasionally happen after a funeral.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to blame anybody for emotionally eating then, but if you're stabbing yourself with an epi pen before you go outside to deal with seasonal allergies, we got to look into it and figure out what's going on.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, there's a part of it where we're going to be like yeah, I need that like in those very special moments, but a lot of us are not.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: It's either it's not happening that much those hard moments or we're finding hard moments and making them harder to justify it finding hard moments and making them harder to justify it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so so basically, emotional eating in response to a stressor, like somebody dying, something major happening in your life, like you said, that's it's.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: It's just one of the ways that we can calm ourselves down, obviously, but if you're emotional eating because you're constantly stressed, well then you're not.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: There's not a specific thing you're responding to.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: You're just kind of in a state in your life where you need to.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Something's wrong, you need to fix something there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: We have to solve the stress.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: It could be that you're in a job that sucks and it might not be easy to leave right now, but you can go eventually it's.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: You can put the plans in place to make that happen and it can happen.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Some of you and this is going to be hard you might be in a relationship that's not good for you right now and can I just, I need to say what I find so that it's so difficult.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: We see a lot of these people, so we've, all you know, talk about the, the, the grocery store walkers, as we'll generally call them, um.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: It's always um one thing with them and that makes it so simple it whether it's, I don't know, sugar, seed oils, doesn't matter.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Really, you know, you could, you could narrow it down to whatever and find research to support it.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: That makes it very simple and easy for them.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: They just say it over and over and over in every video and we, like you know, repetition works for us, right.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Like you get told something over and over and over again.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: It sits with you, so that that works really well for them, right.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: But when you but it's just not true.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Like it's just, it's not true that one thing is the problem, it's rarely is in anything.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: It's especially not true in nutrition.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: So when you see that and you're like, okay, how do we actually solve the problem?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: All right, well, that's complex as fuck, because everyone is different and I can't just tell you it's this one thing.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: It's probably multiple things, just for you, that are causing the issue and you have to address each of them and that's a tough thing to tell people, because then they're like oh, what are those things?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like I, I can't tell you what I don't know that's why we're all a fucking work in progress is we're figuring, we're figuring it out, but people don't respond as well to to that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I want one reason that you can yell at me with your shirt off as to why that's the problem.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you have to go through a lot of trial and error to figure each of those things out.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Once you do, you will be much happier for that, but it's going to take some time.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: That's what I do with my clients.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: We work one-on-one to try to figure out what it is that is has gotten us to where we're at, and I give them my own experience, they give me theirs.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: We share that and we build a plan together.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: We build whatever their plan is going to be, and it's not easy and, like I said before, there's a lot of tears, it gets somber, it gets, we get deep.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: We share some stuff that we've never shared with other people before, cause some people come to me and they've never gotten to talk about anything, and that's one of the reasons that we ended up putting weight on.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: It's like we're just eating our feelings cause we can't get them out anywhere.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: So that alone helps.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But my big thing, that, the thing that I latch on to because I I've also got one thing that I keep saying over and over again, though it's a more positive one it's the be kind to yourself message that I'm always putting out there.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I think that everything that I talk about is a way to be kind to yourself.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: It's it all sort of fits under that umbrella and if you can find a way to do that, because a lot of us are engaging in self-destructive behaviors and and harming ourselves.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: If we can find ways to be kinder to ourselves, everything else comes much easier.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: A nice, somber, quiet moment from that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not as yelly this one, just because I really want to figure all of this out.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: And it's fucking hard.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: It's complex, like how do you like?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're talking to thousands of people, how could you give the most useful information?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Nothing's ever going to be perfect and figuring that out is just difficult.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: There's that calories in calories out chart and it's got calories in calories out in the middle, but then there's like hundreds of things around it that flow into it I what the best way?
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I've surmised that I can help the most people because I don't know everybody right, obviously we can't.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: We both have all of us.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Three of us have large followings.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You guys are much larger than I.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: We can't reach everybody.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: So instead of giving really pointed advice, I ask questions going pretty viral.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I start the video by saying you don't deserve to talk to yourself the way that you do.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: You know that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: And it's just a bunch of people in the comments telling me like I go on to ask whose voice is it?
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: It's not yours.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: You didn't decide to talk to yourself the way that you do.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: That was put into your brain by someone in your life.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Who was it?
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: So it's just thousands of comments of people telling me who it was that programmed their internal monologue.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: That's a place to start.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: And there are people that that video has been out for a month or two now and people are sending me DMs and being like that was what I needed to start, like I didn't know I needed to ask myself that question.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I thought I was just unjustly cruel to myself.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I thought I deserved it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Unjustly cruel to myself, I thought I deserved it, but now that I'm looking back.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: It was some kid at school, or it was my parents, or it was grandparents, or whoever it might be.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: One thing I've told people is that sometimes it does come down to talking to somebody seeing therapy stuff like that, and this is a prime example.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I think I just reverse engineered therapy.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't come up with anything interesting here.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: I'm a fraud and I tell people too.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: All you did was treat people with kindness.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Huh, what a fucking novel idea.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: How cool would that be if we could just, in the weight loss industry, stop fucking hating people.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: There are people that come to me Can we talk about this for a second how wildly homophobic the weight loss space is, for no reason, oh yeah, uh, but like especially here, and every once in a while I'll post a video real quick.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I'm like hey, by the way, I accept you for who you are, no matter who you are, and I lose like three 4,000 followers in a day.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys, you both know how it is, Especially you, Rob.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: You know what it is it's like.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just say something that should be common sense and people dip.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, I can't believe you're getting political.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: This is not political.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: We're human beings, human rights is not political.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: It's not political.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: It's not a political issue to decide whether or not someone gets to live.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and for that reason alone people come to my page, just because I don't hate them away.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: There's no reason, just because I don't hate them away.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: There's no reason and it's ridiculous that these people.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous but also hilarious that these people think that calling you gay or whatever is an insult.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: You know, you got these people that are homophobic and they come into the comment section and, dude, you're so gay or whatever it's like.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not, but that's also not an insult.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're going for here, like if I was gay, what would it matter?
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: It's not 2004 anymore.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Things have changed a little bit.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: We don't use that word the way that they used to use it.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't get it, but it's just a lot of people just have anger and they don't even realize it was placed on them.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: And now they place it on other people.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: So, like I, it's oh yeah, the three of us are targets for that.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: All the time we get comments in our feeds, all the time of people just gearing their hatred towards us, and I realized a while, like those people, like when I see hatred like that.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, your life is is tough right now, like that's.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Honestly, what I see is like, oh, you are angry, you're just an angry individual and you're trying to get rid of some of that and so you're ascending in my way.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I don't care, it doesn't bother me, no, but like it sucks that you're dealing with that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Hopefully you find a way to deal with it in a better way in the future.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe stop listening to Tom McDonald.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Tom McDonald tom mcdonald oh god, tom mcdonald, jeez.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: So you should get him to everybody listening.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I say just god, because we, because what did I say earlier?
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: People need to hear this.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: You know the same thing over and over.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, be kind to yourself, understand.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: You're a fucking work in progress, it's fine.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: You're gonna fuck up, it's okay.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I think people need to hear over and over that it's okay that you fucked up.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I fuck up on a daily basis, it's whatever I figure it out.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Be kind to yourself.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: You know have try and get Mike.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: He calls this whole thing.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Mike needs a plan.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: We all need a plan, right?
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: So try and figure out that.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Try and figure out a plan that works for you in a way that is sustainable and, just again, be kind to yourself.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: When it's not perfect, it's okay, it's okay.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's only really a fuck up if you double down on it, especially when it comes to just diet, stuff that you're doing for yourself.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, there are going to be days that aren't perfect, but what is perfect other than the pursuit of being better?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I think that's really what perfect is.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Some of you are doing perfection perfectly right now by doing nothing, because perfection only exists in theory.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: so do something, and if you don't do it a hundred percent, it doesn't matter, you're doing it, yeah yeah, like if, if you fuck up and you take the opportunity to learn from it and grow, then it's not a fuck up, it's a learning experience.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: And that brings us to our final message that we say over and over Don't be your worst.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: That is where just don't be your worst.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be your absolute best.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: What is the best?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Whatever, don't be your worst, just try.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: The bar is in hell everyone.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Embrace it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: If you want to see a lot of fuck ups, come watch me and Liam stream Baldur's Gate and watch.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Liam yell at me for the amount of times I go to pickpocket or steal stings and get caught and aggro an entire room.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Listen, I come, I go to the bathroom, I come back, we're almost dead.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know even what's going on?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe because someone vital to the operation went to the bathroom.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Rob is constantly being his worst and I tell him over and over to not be that thing.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: And we're working on it.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: We're getting there, you gotta do it like that.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Well, either that or I bribe them with half the spoils you gotta do it like that South Park episode where they're playing Warcraft and they've got that battle station set up.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: You haven't seen that go watch.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: It hilarious.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: But, mike, make sure you tell people because we always forget where to find you.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: All your handles those sorts of things oh, I don't want them to find me.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I'm quitting.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: You can find me at Mike needs asAPlan on Instagram and TikTok.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: You can get my free how to be kind to yourself guide, because some people ask me how do you be kind to yourself?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Because you say it in every video.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: So I made a guide about it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: So stop asking.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Go to Mike'sPlancom.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Mikeneedsaplan was bought under me by a scalper and they tried to sell it back to me.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: So instead of Mike needs a play and now I could have allowed that to destroy me I could have allowed that to be like well it's.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I guess you're done.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: You can't have a website anymore because you can't have Mike needs a plan.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I think Mike's plan is a better website name, so it is Mike's plancom.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: You can get my free kindness guide overcome anything, be kind to yourself.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, uh, for having me.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Don't forget, if you want to find mike on only fans, it's.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Mike needs an apple pie I need.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: A paycheck is what I need right now.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: That's why we're we're all struggling hey, wasn't that a great time listen to, to the podcast you were just I'm assuming you knew or you were just listening to in moderation.
• 1:02:28
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• 1:02:33
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• 1:02:37
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• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:47
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• 1:02:48
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• 1:02:55
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• 1:02:57
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• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes you know sometimes all that, yeah, absolutely so, uh, peace.