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  Speaker 1: The Albanese government's fiasco with the Blaney goldmine extension that
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  Speaker 1: it tried to ban raises an urgent question that politicians
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  Speaker 1: have run from, courts have tried to silence, but we
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  Speaker 1: need to have it now. How Aboriginal do you have
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  Speaker 1: to be to stop projects like this on so-called cultural reasons?
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  Speaker 1: In fact, who should we agree is really Aboriginal? As
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  Speaker 1: I showed last night, the Albanese government in this case
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  Speaker 1: tried to restrict this mine despite traditional owners saying it
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  Speaker 1: was fine, let it go. The government listened instead to
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  Speaker 1: dissidents identifying as Aboriginal who claimed it would hurt the
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  Speaker 1: sacred blue banded bee dreaming. People like this artist who
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  Speaker 1: testified against the mine in the Independent Planning Commission, and
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  Speaker 1: like this leader, the dissident of a dissident group of
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  Speaker 1: some 18 people identifying as Aboriginal. The Federal Court yesterday
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  Speaker 1: overruled that ban on technical grounds, and to be absolutely clear,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I am not, not.
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  Speaker 1: Saying that these women against this mine don't have Aboriginal ancestors.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. But a traditional owner from the
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  Speaker 1: mine area again today questioned their right to speak for
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  Speaker 1: Aborigines in that area and said their bee story was fake.
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  Speaker 3: Being from country, being a Wiradjuri man from that country,
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  Speaker 3: we know who's who in the zoo and we realised,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we realised that this... This was fabricated and
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  Speaker 3: it was bastardisation of Aboriginal culture and heritage and you
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  Speaker 3: can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's right. I'm just saying that a
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  Speaker 1: former Aboriginal Land Council councillor from that very area says
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  Speaker 1: this bee story is fake. And the Albany City Government
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  Speaker 1: Minister who chose to believe it, Tanya Plibersek, today repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: refused to say why.
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  Speaker 4: There's very different views in the town.
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  Speaker 5: There's quite different views about it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when we're talking about crippling a $ 1. 3 billion mine
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  Speaker 1: with 700 jobs on a B story like that from
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  Speaker 1: the people I've mentioned, that is crazy. And I come
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  Speaker 1: back to those questions. Who really is Aboriginal and how
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal do you have to be to stop projects like
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  Speaker 1: this and so-called cultural reasons? These are questions that it's
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  Speaker 1: been dangerous to ask. And don't I know it? The
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  Speaker 1: judge banned two of my articles a few years ago
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  Speaker 1: when I tried... tried to discuss the explosion in the
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  Speaker 1: number of so-called white Aborigines, people with very little Aboriginal ancestry,
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  Speaker 1: some with none at all, now claiming to be Aboriginal,
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  Speaker 1: and taking over Aboriginal jobs, Aboriginal grants, some even blocking
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  Speaker 1: mining projects. But this wall of silence is now crumbling.
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  Speaker 1: Aboriginal activists are also protesting about these new Aborigines.
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  Speaker 6: If we were to look at the... the census numbers,
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  Speaker 6: it's now projecting past 800,000. If there was to be
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  Speaker 6: an actual review on that and an audit on that,
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  Speaker 6: I would suggest, and there has been some data to
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  Speaker 6: suggest that it's actually probably about 300,000 less. So we've
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  Speaker 6: got 300,000 people. here, who are counting themselves amongst us.
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  Speaker 7: In our culture, you'd be speared for posing as us
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  Speaker 7: without authority. Aboriginality fraud is rife in this country. It's
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  Speaker 7: now allowing people to access funding, misleading the general public
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  Speaker 7: and acknowledging cultures that are not true.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I reckon 300,000 fake Aborigines or people who've only
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  Speaker 1: remote Aboriginal ancestry, I think that's an exaggeration. I think
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  Speaker 1: the real number is closer to 130,000, which is still massive, 130,000.
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  Speaker 1: That's the number of Australians now claiming to be Aboriginal
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  Speaker 1: in the past two censuses who hadn't in the census before.
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  Speaker 1: And they, and especially white academics claiming to be Aboriginal,
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  Speaker 1: are causing a lot of anger among real Aborigines, Bush
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  Speaker 1: in particular. As Warren Mundine, former advisor to two prime ministers,
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  Speaker 1: said last night.
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  Speaker 8: When I was up in traditional Aboriginal communities up in
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  Speaker 8: the north and out there, they said there's two things.
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  Speaker 8: There's traditional culture and there's bullshit culture. And what we're
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  Speaker 8: getting at the moment out of all these academics and
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  Speaker 8: all these people who claim to be Aboriginal people is
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  Speaker 8: just bullshit culture.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this must be resolved. This new racism, as I
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  Speaker 1: consider it, is not just divisive. It's also an insult
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  Speaker 1: to our intelligence. And let me just show you how
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  Speaker 1: far this nonsense has gone. It's not just that the
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  Speaker 1: most talked about Aboriginal in the country, as I've shown
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  Speaker 1: many times, the white man Bruce Pascoe, author of Dark Emu,
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  Speaker 1: who got a Premier's Writers' Prize for Aboriginal authors, awards
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  Speaker 1: meant for Aboriginal businesses, and a professorship as an Aboriginal man,
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  Speaker 1: And all this when Pascoe admits that not even many
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  Speaker 1: of his own family members believe he's black.
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  Speaker 6: Do other members of your family agree you all have
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  Speaker 6: Aboriginal heritage?
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  Speaker 1: Some do, many don't. No, there's more. In fact, as
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  Speaker 1: I and genealogists from the website darkemuexposed.org have found... There
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  Speaker 1: are many other academics claiming to be Aboriginal who have
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  Speaker 1: not one Aboriginal ancestor in their genealogies, and they refuse
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  Speaker 1: to tell us who their Aboriginal ancestors really are. They've
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  Speaker 1: refused to show we're wrong. I mean, we might be,
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  Speaker 1: but they won't or can't say how. Here are some
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  Speaker 1: of them. I said to the guy, I said, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 5: That's what my mum and my nan have told us.
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  Speaker 1: And he told me, well, no, you can't tick that box.
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  Speaker 1: He says, because you're not, you know, you're too white.
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  Speaker 6: So we've got this Aboriginal, you know, the denial of
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  Speaker 6: their right to be recognised on our own land.
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  Speaker 1: The real world is not a safe place for Indigenous people.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm from the Gamarragal.
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  Speaker 2: And as I've said, the Gamarragal are the people from
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  Speaker 2: this country.
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  Speaker 1: And this is our traditional land.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Narragoo.
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  Speaker 5: I'm from the Snowy Mountains in Southeastern Australia.
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  Speaker 10: That's my mob.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to welcome you by singing a song
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  Speaker 4: that Pemulway wrote.
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  Speaker 5: Next slide. So that you can sing this song of
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  Speaker 5: welcome wherever you go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to clean up my clap sticks.
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  Speaker 1: Look, maybe some of those academics are Aboriginal somehow. Our
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  Speaker 1: researchers have missed it, but They have refused to prove
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  Speaker 1: us wrong. And this bore. You take the Deputy Premier
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  Speaker 1: of South Australia, Kai Maher, who also identifies as Aboriginal,
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  Speaker 1: a claim that's been a political asset to him, but
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  Speaker 1: which is contradicted by genealogical records. And Maher now refuses
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  Speaker 1: to discuss whose Aboriginal ancestors are, even refuses ABC questions.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's also federal Labor members, same story. And
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  Speaker 1: irony of ironies. I told you how a federal court
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  Speaker 1: judge banned two of my articles talking about this sort
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. Well, the lead plaintiff in that case, complaining
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  Speaker 1: I broke the Racial Discrimination Act by wondering why she
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  Speaker 1: chose to call herself Aboriginal, was well-known Aboriginal activist Pat Etok.
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  Speaker 1: But now, of course, a new book that goes through
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  Speaker 1: a genealogy, All the documents show she too had not
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  Speaker 1: one Aboriginal ancestor. A great grandmother she thought was Aboriginal
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  Speaker 1: was Scottish. A great grandfather she thought was Aboriginal was
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  Speaker 1: actually the son of a British slave owner in Jamaica
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  Speaker 1: and his African slave. Now, none of this would matter
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  Speaker 1: if this country said race doesn't count and we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have laws giving races different rights. It'd just be, well,
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  Speaker 1: You can say it doesn't matter. But this country does
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  Speaker 1: have laws differentiating by race, like laws giving Aborigines extra
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  Speaker 1: rights to interject and oppose a goldmine. And given that,
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  Speaker 1: given all that, can we at least draw a line
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  Speaker 1: that limits who can call themselves Aboriginal? I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: take race-baiting Senator Lydia Thorpe, who identifies as Aboriginal. Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: When seven of her eight great grandparents were actually white?
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  Speaker 1: Can't we draw a line and also demand more proof
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  Speaker 1: of Aboriginal ancestry? And for heaven's sake, let's also relax
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  Speaker 1: our oppressive laws on free speech so that never again
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  Speaker 1: do journalists trying to discuss this get banned. The Greens.
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  Speaker 1: today plunged into an alleged scandal, in fact, two in one.
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  Speaker 1: Greens Senator Jordan Steele-John. He's now taken leave from the
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  Speaker 1: Greens Party room after Greens Party members demanded an investigation
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  Speaker 1: into allegations of inappropriate behaviour to seven women over eight years, allegedly. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the people who are demanding this investigation, including five current
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  Speaker 1: and former staffers, have written to new Greens leader David Shoebridge.
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  Speaker 1: They say they knew of multiple women working the party
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  Speaker 1: who also had been warned not to be alone with
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  Speaker 1: Steel John, who insists he is innocent. But there is
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  Speaker 1: something else that troubles me here. because I was told
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  Speaker 1: by a politician, I don't know, was it four years ago,
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  Speaker 1: five years ago, I can't remember now, that Jordan Steel
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  Speaker 1: John had a nickname in Parliament relating to his dealings
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  Speaker 1: with women, feels on wheels, being in a wheelchair and
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  Speaker 1: all that. Now, it turns out I'm not the only
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  Speaker 1: one to have heard that. A reporter today asked Shoebridge
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  Speaker 1: about exactly that nickname at a press conference that Shoebridge
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  Speaker 1: called to say these allegations would be independently investigated. What
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  Speaker 1: is the explanation for the nickname?
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  Speaker 11: Well, these are matters. I want to be clear. The
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  Speaker 11: appropriate way to deal with these matters is with a fair,
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  Speaker 11: timely and independent process. The appropriate way to deal with
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  Speaker 11: them is not a back and forth in a press conference.
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  Speaker 11: It is to be dealt with in a fair, independent
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  Speaker 11: and timely process.
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  Speaker 1: As you see, no answer. But it seems these allegations
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  Speaker 1: about Steele John have, in fact, been around for years
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  Speaker 1: and written, committed to paper. In fact, colleague Andrew Clunell
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  Speaker 1: has got... Documents that were written by the New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales Young Greens, and they're from October 2018, saying they
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  Speaker 1: want an investigation into Steele John. So have the Greens
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  Speaker 1: been covering up for years? As this latest letter from
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  Speaker 1: Greens members pointed out, they say, the Greens, so sanctimonious,
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  Speaker 1: so preachy about believing women... are in fact not immune
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  Speaker 1: to perpetuating institutional silence and cover-ups. Their words. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: is my Thursday regular commentator, One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 1: the former Deputy Prime Minister, who spoke to me a
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  Speaker 1: short while ago. Barnaby Joyce, great to see you again. Look,
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Steele-John is taking leave from the Greens party room
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  Speaker 1: over allegations of inappropriate comments to women. He denies that
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  Speaker 1: they'll be now investigated. Are you surprised at all... by
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  Speaker 1: these claims?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I'll let Mr Steele-John deal with the claims as
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  Speaker 10: he sees fit and allegations. What I have great concerns
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  Speaker 10: about is that quite obviously there was a process of
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  Speaker 10: cover-up within the Greens political party that if what I
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  Speaker 10: read is correct, that they went through a process of
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  Speaker 10: saying to people, please don't say anything about this.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's not a crime, so.
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  Speaker 10: But what it is, it states the hypocrisy of the
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  Speaker 10: Greens party because it quite obviously shows that when there
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  Speaker 10: is an issue that they rail against, when it's something
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  Speaker 10: pertinent to them, they stop railing. In fact, they start hiding.
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  Speaker 1: It seems strange to me, I've got to say. The
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  Speaker 1: Blaney mine decision, Labor tried to restrict this mine on
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  Speaker 1: the say-so of people saying claiming to be traditional owners,
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  Speaker 1: who the real traditional owners said were not, and the
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  Speaker 1: real traditional owners say that their story about the sacred
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  Speaker 1: blue-banded bee was also not true. I've shown also academics
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  Speaker 1: and a deputy premier and all sorts of people, an author,
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  Speaker 1: all of whom claim to be Aboriginal when their genealogical
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  Speaker 1: records indicate they are not. Do we now need? much
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  Speaker 1: clearer rules on who can claim to be Aboriginal and
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  Speaker 1: much tighter checks of the evidence.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, and one of the groups that asked me for
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  Speaker 10: that are Aboriginal people because it makes a mockery of
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  Speaker 10: the genuine spirituality, the genuine stories of people who are,
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  Speaker 10: as I call themselves, proper Aboriginal people. when you have
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  Speaker 10: other people sort of making it up as they go
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  Speaker 10: along and, you know, and making it up for purposes
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  Speaker 10: which maybe there is a pecuniary benefit to themselves for doing.
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  Speaker 10: I have, you know, obviously growing up in an Aboriginal area,
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  Speaker 10: really good Aboriginal mates, and they always say to me, remember,
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  Speaker 10: there's a huge difference between saying you're an Aboriginal and
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  Speaker 10: growing up as an Aboriginal. And a lot of people,
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  Speaker 10: as they see it, come out at a certain time
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  Speaker 10: in their life and say they're Aboriginal. And really, it's
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  Speaker 10: very hard to... say, well, how did you come to
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  Speaker 10: that view? And if it's some very, very tenuous link,
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  Speaker 10: then you say, well, even though you have some sort
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  Speaker 10: of maybe slight genetic connection, you've never grown up as
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  Speaker 10: an Aboriginal. I mean, for instance, I'm, I suppose, I'm
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  Speaker 10: related to, I suppose, the Celts, but, you know, I
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  Speaker 10: can hardly walk around saying, well, you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 10: Druid and now I'm going to find some rocks and
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  Speaker 10: dance around them. It's That'd be patently absurd because I
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  Speaker 10: didn't grow up as a Celt.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up as an Australian. I wonder whether we
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  Speaker 1: should have some sort of limit, you know, like if
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  Speaker 1: only one of your eight great-grandparents was Aboriginal, then you
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  Speaker 1: can't call yourself Aboriginal. You know, one of the 16
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  Speaker 1: great-great-grandparents who was only one was Aboriginal, then you No,
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  Speaker 1: you are not. Should there be some sort of limit
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  Speaker 1: like that?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that's a very, I think it's, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: I think it's absolutely an appropriate discussion to have, Andrew.
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  Speaker 10: I think one of the big tests of it is
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  Speaker 10: as you were growing up, did you grow up in
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  Speaker 10: an area and in a community where you're clearly identified
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  Speaker 10: as Aboriginal and were you part of that Aboriginal community?
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  Speaker 10: Like if you grew up in the house next door
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  Speaker 10: you know, next door to another person in a suburban street,
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  Speaker 10: but it just so happens that your great-great-grandmother was Aboriginal. Well, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 10: probably your other great-great-grandmother was Scottish and another one was
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  Speaker 10: probably Romanian. And, you know, you can't just sort of
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  Speaker 10: be selective when there's no real cultural link in your
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  Speaker 10: time of growing up.
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  Speaker 1: The government today introduced its digital duty of care bill
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  Speaker 1: to stop social media companies from pushing damaging material over
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  Speaker 1: the internet onto children. There are a lot of scares
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  Speaker 1: about how this opens the door to political censorship, which
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  Speaker 1: the communications minister today again denied. But her trust me
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  Speaker 1: response at the press club, I don't know. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: cut it for me. Here she is.
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  Speaker 9: I'm wondering if you could address those concerns explicitly of
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  Speaker 9: why this could not be used in that way and
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  Speaker 9: why those powers would need to exist if that is
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  Speaker 9: a capability.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is nowhere in the bill that gives.
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  Speaker 11: The government and by the government in this instance, the
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  Speaker 11: independent regulator, that power.
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  Speaker 12: It's just not there.
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  Speaker 9: Does it prevent that from happening?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you can see in the section introduced, there is
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  Speaker 4: nothing in what you've just set out there as a
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  Speaker 4: worst case scenario that is in the bill.
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  Speaker 9: Would you just say in the bill that it can't
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  Speaker 9: be used for those purposes, government propaganda and so forth?
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  Speaker 5: It can't.
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  Speaker 9: In a worst-case scenario. The worst person you imagine gets
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  Speaker 9: the power of the key safety commissioner one day, for example.
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  Speaker 1: It cannot.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know how to be more emphatic.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. It is not possible. Henry Joyce, what's
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  Speaker 1: your concern with this bill? And why not? Why not
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  Speaker 1: change the, you know, just amend this bill to explicitly
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  Speaker 1: prohibit it from being used for political censorship? Why instead
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  Speaker 1: this trust me it won't be?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I don't trust them at all. And this
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  Speaker 10: will evolve. There's nothing a government that is struggling likes
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  Speaker 10: more than to be able to stop you telling the
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  Speaker 10: world that they're struggling and why they are struggling. And,
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  Speaker 10: of course, they'll say misinformation, disinformation. And, of course, it
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  Speaker 10: really comes down to the view of the minister. Now,
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  Speaker 10: the legislation should be explicit. As I said before, they
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  Speaker 10: give up these virtuous sort of issues of which there
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  Speaker 10: can be no argument about, like, you know, online pedophilia
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  Speaker 10: or arguments towards a person being encouraged to commit suicide. And,
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  Speaker 10: of course, how do you argue against that? But you
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  Speaker 10: should say, You should be explicit that this is what
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  Speaker 10: you're going after. Actually nominate. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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  Speaker 10: And then rule a line. And away from that, nothing else.
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  Speaker 10: But when you say, oh, well, you know.
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  Speaker 1: We would never do that. We'd never do that.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, go on.
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  Speaker 10: You say, now I'm really worried because I know full
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  Speaker 10: well that you have that in mind. And the quiet
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  Speaker 10: conversations when the camera's off, you're going, goddamn, every time
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  Speaker 10: they talk about climate change, we'll go, misinformation. Shut them off.
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  Speaker 10: Every time they talk about our debt out of control,
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  Speaker 10: shut them off. Every time they talk about issues of,
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  Speaker 10: you know, social unrest, Islamisation, shut them off.
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  Speaker 1: We know how this works.
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  Speaker 10: And we've got to be so diligent to protect basically
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  Speaker 10: the sanctity of the public square for a fulsome debate
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  Speaker 10: because that's how we defend freedoms.
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  Speaker 1: And our democracy.
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  Speaker 10: And I know that's one of the catch cries of yourself, Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly is. Barnaby, you have been trying to raise
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  Speaker 1: in Parliament a couple of days, for a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days now, the discovery of a fire ant nest in
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales. Now, fire ants are from overseas. They
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  Speaker 1: cause multiple stings if you disturb them. These are nasty buggers.
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  Speaker 1: What's the big issue for you here?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, first of all, they can kill you. Amphilactic shock,
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  Speaker 10: it happens. It's registered many times around the world. You
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  Speaker 10: don't just get bitten once, you get bitten hundreds of
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  Speaker 10: times in a few seconds. And for that, for a
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  Speaker 10: child that's been put down on the grass in a
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  Speaker 10: park in the centre, because they're found in the centre
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  Speaker 10: of Sydney in the inner suburbs, that could be the
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  Speaker 10: end of that child. And we know about this nest, Andrew,
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  Speaker 10: and it's amazing if you get the chance to see
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  Speaker 10: the minister today answering a very succinct question from myself.
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  Speaker 10: The question I'm asking is how long has this nest
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  Speaker 10: been there for? And all they give you the answer
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  Speaker 10: is of what's happened subsequently because it's a mature nest.
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: Fire ants can fly up to five kilometres to set
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: up a new nest. And so you would go from
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: the Enfield intermodal, which is in the seat of Watson
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: of Mr Tony Burke, right next to the seat of
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Grayndler of Mr Anthony Albanese and the seat of Sydney
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: of Miss Tanya Plebisek. And you say all these areas
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: have now the chance of being infected and by fire ants.
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: And the people of those areas had a right to know.
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: They actually hid it for 19 days. They found out
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: about it. And we didn't find out about it for
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: another 19 days. And you can just see it. It's
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: that mischievous dishonesty that we're seeing from the government. So
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: even if you have no concern about fire ants, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: you should, have a look how a government manipulates, doesn't answer, confuses,
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: and basically does not tell you the truth about something
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: that's incredibly important And by the time we do find
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: out about it, it'll be too late.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'd like to know what steps are being
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: taken to do this. But, yes, amazing that we've been
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: not told for so long. Barnaby Joyce, thank you so
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: much for your time.
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: Absolute pleasure, Andrew.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: After the break, Victoria police investigate why they allegedly monstered
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a Jewish journalist instead of the pro-Palestine protesters they thought
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: might attack him. Victoria Police is now investigating its treatment
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: of journalist Avi Yemeni from the right-wing Rebel News and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I've been bothered for years by the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: way police supposedly keep the peace by picking on the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: innocent rather than the potentially violent protesters who could attack them.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Now I get it is obviously much easier for outnumbered
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: police to move on a peaceful individual rather than the rest,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a rampaging mob that hates the sight of them. But
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: at least they could do that with apologies and respect
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to the innocent person they're telling to get lost. But
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: look how they dealt instead with Yemeni, who is Jewish
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and shock right wing, and went to cover pro-Palestine protesters
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: who chose October 7th the anniversary of the Hamas slaughter
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of Israelis, to demonstrate against Israel instead, and got very
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: pushy when Yemeni had the nerve as a journalist to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: question them. Now, other people that Yemeni filmed there, not
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: those I just showed, told them they supported Hamas. And
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: there was no pro-Palestine agitator. Well, there was, in fact,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a pro-Palestine agitator called Ihad al-Azhar. Now, he earlier this
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: year was filmed calling Hamas terrorists freedom fighters and even
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: threatening more October 7th slaughters.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: 7 October is the bloody beginning of it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You're going to have plenty of 7 Octobers coming. Plenty
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of it. And the next 7 October is going to
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: be to kick your ass out. So that character was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: at this October 7 protest last week too. But who
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: did the police turn on? On the angry protesters I
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: just showed you? Or on the Jewish reporter they were
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: shoving around who was just asking questions? Unless you move on, you're.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Going to be arrested. Ben Carroll today promised that he's
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: going to keep Jews safe. Well, you're going to have
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: to arrest me because I'm not going. I'm not going.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: It's October 7. My crime is being a Jew in
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Melbourne on October 7.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: At one stage, a policeman even grabbed Yemeni's throat, albeit briefly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: On October 7... I'm not touching this, Sergeant, mate.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: You're so big and tough, yeah? And I saw another
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: with a big smile on his face, shoving and shoving
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and shoving with his hands up there at Yemini. Now,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's just too much. I was joined earlier
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: by Avi Yemini. Avi Yemini, great to catch up with
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you again. You actually submitted through your lawyers a complaint
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to Victoria Police. They are now investigating. What is your complaint?
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Well, thanks for having me, Andrew. My complaint is simple.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to do my job. I'm doing everything in
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: my power to execute my job. I'm bringing, because for
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: years their excuse was my safety was at risk. So
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: I hired six big bodyguards. I even come armed with
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: the Victoria Police apology, three apologies they've given me in
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: the past for unlawful arrest. These are apologies that I
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: took in place of mass payments, hundreds of thousands of dollars,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: and I know it's that much because one of my
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: security guards got paid out for one of the unlawful arrests.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: But I took this all so that I can... I
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: just really want to be able to do my job,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: and it's frustrating to come to an event of such
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: public interest, and it should be of public interest, to
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: try execute my job, and instead of police... enforcing, upholding
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: my right as a journalist, they're basically working to protect,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: to enforce the terrorist or terrorist supporters ban on journalism
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: or my journalism there in the city. And you saw
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: how that transpired.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I mean, like I said, I understand from,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to stop a mob going nuts that
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: they might want to move on the peaceful individual rather
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: than try to arrest, you know, 50 people going crazy.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But if you're going to do it, you do it politely, apologetically, respectfully.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You didn't get treated that way at all.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Listen, Andrew, I understand the police are in a hard spot.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: It is always easier to surrender. Giving up is always easier.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: And a violent mob is hard to deal with. But unfortunately,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: you signed up for that job and that's what you
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: should be doing. And I do agree. Like in this one,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: they came particularly angry at me when I wasn't actually
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: doing anything wrong. When you watch the footage and we
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: live stream it at the time and then we produce
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: it after with all the different angles. But you could
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: see we walk in there, and yes, my presence triggers
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: people because they don't want Australians to see what's really
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: going on. They're happy to accept the ABC on the
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: ground there because they know the ABC is not going
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: to show the guy that is calling for October 7
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: to happen again and again and again, and they're not
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: going to ask the tough questions of the people attending
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: a vigil for the martyrs on October 7 in the
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: heart of the city with protection of police.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: So.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: There was no need for them to come out so heavy.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I was respectful in the beginning when there was probably
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: three or four police. I don't understand how that was
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: the case when you had the most radical of leftists
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: and Islamists there. But there was only a few cops,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: so we kind of retreated a bit to let them
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: get their numbers, get their backup in. But then once
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: they had the numbers, there was no reason for them
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: to stop me from doing my work. You've got to remember,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: this is the same police force that had no problem
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: enforcing overreaching COVID restrictions. and heavy-handedly at the time during
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: the pandemic. But suddenly they can't deal with this mob.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: They're scared of that mob.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems incredible to me. I have to say,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I've followed some of your work and I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: think you've done some astonishing stuff. The coverage of protests
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: has been brilliant, really, for many years now. I have
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to say I've never seen you as angry as you
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: were then. Now, I get this was October 7. You
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: are Jewish. I thought you had every right to be there,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: not just as a journalist but as a Jew, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to be treated like that, no wonder you blew your top. Now,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: when I say blew your top, you didn't strike anyone,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you didn't kick anyone. I saw other people kicking but
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it wasn't you. What was it that got you goats
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: for this time more than I've seen any other?
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I got home and my kids were mocking me.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: I was telling you that my kids were mocking me,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: saying that they finally triggered me. They sent me over
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: the edge. And I think it's probably a mix of everything.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: It is the day. It is the issue. But then
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: it was the police response, because you've got to remember,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: there's a long history here. I have three apologies that
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I said to you. I walk around with them in
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: my pocket to show the police that they can read it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: And we've been through this dance before. And, you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: in the recent protests for Pauline Hanson, they tried to
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: move me on, but then they read the piece of paper,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: they read the apology, and then they just did their job.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: They stood around and ensured that anybody who did turn violent,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: they dealt with them. But here they just came at
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: me hard and heavy and not even implying, directly saying
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: that I'm the problem in this situation that my presence
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: there is the problem and you know threatening they're telling
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: me I have to move on or I'm going to
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: be arrested And I just, I decided I'm not going
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: to stand for it. I've done everything possible to give
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: them the opportunity. And this is what my complaint is
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: about now as well. What we're asking from police now,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: from Victoria Police, who say that they're investigating, is for
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: three simple things. I want an apology, but that's probably
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: the least of my issues. I've got my apology that
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: I walk around with that, you know, which is the
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: reason why they didn't actually arrest me there. You've got
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: to understand, they didn't arrest me. They just threatened and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: threatened and threatened for about an hour and a half.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: But I want firstly the police that overstepped, including the
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: one that choked and threatened to bash me, to find
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: me in Caulfield and implying that he's going to attack me,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: see me. You know, his wording was clearly a threat.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Beside the fact that I'm not from Caulfield, it just
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: happens to be the Jewish neighborhood, whatever. So reprimand him,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: deal with him. but also give the training to all
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: the police officers, especially that commanding officer that kept threatening
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: with arrest. Teach them how to deal with journalism, how
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: to protect, how to uphold the right. I kept pointing
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: out to them on their sleeve, it says uphold the right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Uphold the right of journalists in 2026, even when it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: hard to do their job.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely correct. I've seen some of the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: way you've been treated before, being thrown in your back,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: being handcuffed, being this, that. It's just incredible, Avi, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I just wonder what it'll take for people to just say,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you're a journalist, your politics might not be that of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the ABC, but that doesn't make you any less a journalist,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and you should be allowed to do your job. Arrest
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the people who assault you, not arrest you for just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: standing there being, you know, potentially being assaulted. It is incredible,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: it's particularly Victorian, and it's got to stop. Thank you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: very much for coming on the show.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Andrew.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Now, we did ask police for a response. I mean,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Avi made an allegation there about an officer. I'm not
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: saying it's true. He made it. But we did ask
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: for a response. Didn't get one. After the break, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: fund that taxpayer-funded travel..... traveller Federal Small Business Minister Anne
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Arley has been having on your dime. It makes me wonder,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't she have a job back home to get on with?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: How sick is Victoria's Labor government? Not just incompetent, now barbaric.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's facing a massive defeat at next month's election. So
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: what does it do? It tries desperately to make abortion
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the big election issue. It's now promised to make abortions
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: even cheaper and easier, promised even to see whether to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: let women perform their own abortions with abortion pills up
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to 12 weeks of pregnancy instead of nine. Now, this
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is purely so Labor can then run a scare campaign
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: implying that if Labor is beaten, women everywhere are going
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to lose their abortion rights. In fact, the posters have
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: already been printed. Vote like your right to safe abortion
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: depends on it because it does. That's such bull. The
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Liberals have promised no change at all to abortion laws.
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: Shame.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Shame.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: On Labor to try to win an election on aborted
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: babies using them. Shame on Labor for denying this is
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: just a dirty, miserable trade for votes, offering more handouts
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for women to travel to get an abortion or paying
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: them more of their expenses to manufacture a fake and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: divisive brawl over abortion rights. And it's all for nothing anyway.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: In fact, the Liberals, terrified of an abortion debate, This
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: afternoon matched the Labor promise. Joining me is the panel
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: communications consultant, Christy McSweeney, who has worked for coalition prime
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: ministers and premiers, and Kayla Bond, the young superstar now
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: on the late debate here on News 24 weeknights at 10pm.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And tonight you'll catch him hosting Paul Murray Live. So
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I'm especially grateful he stepped in. Christy, was this a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: genuine and legitimate Labor election promise or something a bit sicker?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: No, I think it's filthy Labor Party, socialist-left politics at
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: its best. Now, there are some really reasonable people in
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: the Labor Party. Not many of them are in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Labor Party, socialist-left-dominated faction of Victoria. I think it is disgraceful.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I think the female voters of Victoria will look at
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: this and think this is... trying to develop division, create
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: an issue about something that does not exist. Five minutes
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: to an election, as Jess Wilson said, and I can
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: sit here and I can tell you what I think
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: about abortion laws as a woman in the Liberal Party
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: in Victoria, and I can tell you my very strong
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: stance on it, but I don't have to because the
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: fact that I'm a woman who is a member of
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party in Victoria should tell you everything. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: so should Jess Wilson's statement today saying there will be
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: no changes to abortion laws under a government that I lead.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: And that should be enough.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Caleb Bond, what do you make of this all?
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: It's pathetic.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: It really is pathetic. They're making an issue or trying
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: to make an issue. In fact, they have successfully made
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: an issue, I suppose, because Jess Wilson, as you say,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: responded to it this afternoon and agreed to match it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: They've made an issue out of nothing. It wasn't an
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: issue to begin with. And to lie, essentially, about what
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: would or would not happen to abortion if there were
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to be a Liberal government is, as I say, absolutely pathetic.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: The idea is to instil fear into women that they
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: will lose rights. Well, that was never going to happen
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in the first place. And I would say to the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Labor Party... which has certainly federally previously complained, I should say,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: about US-style Trump politics being imported into this country. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: they talked about this a lot during the federal campaign.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: They tried to say that Peter Dutton's campaign was somehow
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Trumpian and we were importing all this US business. Well,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: the importation of abortion as an issue in this election
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is straight out of the US playbook. But the US
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: exists in a completely different circumstance where things do vary
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: largely state by state. And of course, there have been
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: many interventions of the Supreme Court in the United States.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: We have a very different situation in this country. And
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: to try and make out like a government led by
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a woman was about to be one that fiddled with
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: abortion law in any way and now going so far
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: as to force the opposition into backing in free abortion,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: publicly funded, totally publicly funded abortion, I just find astonishing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Honestly, to try and win an election by promising to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: make it even easier and to get more abortions, don't
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: people have a little think about what they're actually doing,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: how they're trying to win an election? It's just so sick.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised church leaders haven't been very public right from
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the beginning on this. Small Business Minister Anne Arley, Christy,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: she has spent $ 150, 000 of taxpayers' money to fly to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: nine countries over the past 17 months, including Spain, Jordan.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Bahrain, India and Bangladesh, doing things like signing a memorandum
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: with Spain to, of all things, deepen cooperation on gender
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: equality and dancing at a Diwali festival in Delhi. Now,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I get that she's also the International Development Minister, handing
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: out even more of our taxpayer money, but does all
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: this travel into these places seem to you a little
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: bit excessive, especially when there's plenty of work to do
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: right here at home to help small business survive?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: It's always really interesting when ministers have dual portfolio roles
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: and responsibilities. I would suggest if you had the responsibility
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: of being a small business minister, and of course, let's
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: put the facts on the table here. The small business portfolio,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: because I have worked in it, it doesn't have a department.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: Its own funding.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: It rarely has its own announcements. It takes bits from Treasury.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: It takes bits from workplace relations. So there is no
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: program of announcements for that small business minister unless they
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: are given to her by those other portfolio-holding ministers or
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister wants her to specifically announce one. Therefore,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: we turn to the second portfolio... which does have a
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: range of announcements that she can engage in and lead
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: by herself. However, those two things aside, if it was
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: my government, and I would strongly counsel the small business
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: minister in a cost of living crisis, when you have
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: failed as a government to adequately sell why your budget
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: measures were needed... To further impose upon small business, negative
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: gearing being one, most small businesses have their home mortgages
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: and finances tied to their business. The CGT, not just
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: for start-ups, that's for small businesses as well. And now
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: we're seeing family trust, well, that's small businesses too.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And it is.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Apart from those two things, just the cost of living.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: If you're the Small Business Minister, you'd kind of be
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: saying to the Treasurer, hey, can you just give me
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: some small business announcements and maybe not go and do
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: those other ones?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: But, Caleb, and on top of that, of course, today
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: we get the unemployment rate at 4.7%. It's gone up.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: The highest it's been for nearly five years. Nearly 40,000
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: people lost their jobs last month. I think she's got
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: work to do right here, don't you?
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Indeed.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I found it quite amusing this week to see the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the Small Business Minister, who, by the way,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: how many people were aware until this week that Anne
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Arley was the Small Business Minister, let alone small business
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  Speaker 2: owners themselves, right?
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  Speaker 1: But to see her and.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister this week crow about how they really
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: understand small business and no government's done more for small
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: business and we've had amazing small business growth under this government... Well,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: when you pump more than a million new people into
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the country, you're necessarily going to have growth in the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: number of businesses. I note that she doesn't talk about
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the number of insolvencies, which is now also hitting record levels.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: The way that they claim to know what's going on
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: is extraordinary. When you read everything at the moment... An
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: interesting piece in The Daily Telegraph tomorrow I'll talk about
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: a bit more tonight on PML. James O'Doherty talking about,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales, you've got Labor people going around
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  Speaker 2: campaigning for the state election. and they're knocking on doors
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and meeting people.
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  Speaker 1: In the street.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: And the number one thing they're hearing at the moment
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: is what the hell is going on with this credit
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: card surcharge ban? And that's coming from both small business
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: people and just lay constituents. So none of this has worked.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But what I will say about the overseas travel, though...
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: is if you can get a job going overseas to
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  Speaker 2: Spain to sign a memorandum of understanding on gender equality,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I would just appeal to Jess Wilson if and when
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: she wins in Victoria in November. I like jumps racing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Victoria's one of the only places, it's the only place
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: in the country that still has jumps racing. Can you
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: send me as the special envoy for jumps racing to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the Cheltenham Festival in the UK next year on the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: public dime? And I'll come back with some sort of
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: document saying, you know, we've got Victoria in the UK
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  Speaker 2: signed up.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be emceeing a function with Jess Wilson at a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Jewish shul in a couple of weeks, I think. I'll
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: ask for you there. Caleb Bond and Chrissy McSweeney, thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much. After the break, Russell Brand faces court
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  Speaker 1: on rape charges, but he reckons he's since found God,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure that will make all the difference. The
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  Speaker 1: enviably handsome Russell Brand has been one of the world's
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  Speaker 1: most famous comics and podcasters, was even a presenter on
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  Speaker 1: Britain's BBC, would you believe it, but now faces court
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  Speaker 1: on seven sexual offence charges, including rape and sexual assault,
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  Speaker 1: involving six women between 1999 and 2009, and day one
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  Speaker 1: had him described in court as ruthless, calculated, a manipulative
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  Speaker 1: sexual predator, a man who aimed to sleep with more
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  Speaker 1: than 5,000 women, which I'm sure some men would have resented. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Brand now declares himself a Christian and he's turned up
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  Speaker 1: to court very demure.
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  Speaker 9: Of course, I'm concerned and hopeful that this process will
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  Speaker 9: lead to good outcomes for everybody involved.
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  Speaker 5: That's my hope.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me from London is Star GB News host Patrick Christies. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: I've always thought he's a bird brain and a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a fool in a rat bag, although very clever,
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  Speaker 1: but that is some form of, you know, from grace
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  Speaker 1: for brand, who I should add pleads innocence. But Patrick
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  Speaker 1: is now a Christian. He even got baptised in the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: River Thames two years ago by Bear Grylls just so
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: nobody could miss this conversion. Yes, well, absolutely.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, this is a remarkable fall from grace. This
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: guy was lauded, really, as one of the top celebrities...
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  Speaker 12: in the country for a very, very long period of time.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, there is, you know, critics would say he's
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: trying to use Christianity as a way of cleansing his reputation.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I'm actually amazed that he survived being dunked
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: under the water in the Thames, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 12: but that is very much a secondary story here, as
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  Speaker 12: you've said.
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  Speaker 10: A miracle.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, well, if anything, maybe that proves that there is
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: a miracle there. But yeah, look, I mean, obviously he
• 44:28
  Speaker 12: was described, as you said, as a ruthless sexual predator.
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  Speaker 12: There are some very compelling aspects to this. These women
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  Speaker 12: did not know each other before, apparently, and had not
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: previously met. So there are separate incidents. The prosecution here
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  Speaker 12: is building a wide-ranging picture of incidents that they claim
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  Speaker 12: range between 1999 and 2009.
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  Speaker 2: So within.
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  Speaker 12: A 10-year period. One incident is alleged to have happened
• 44:52
  Speaker 12: at a fringe event at the Labour Party conference. Another,
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: they say that within a minute of meeting this particular woman,
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: in the middle of a conversation, he lurched towards her,
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  Speaker 12: he grabbed her breasts, etc. And they are, like I said,
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: building this picture of a man who they say could
• 45:07
  Speaker 12: literally not control his own sexual emotions, etc. One of
• 45:12
  Speaker 12: the things that they are using against him here is
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: is actually his own words and some of his own
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: quotes-unquote jokes that he made during his stand-up comedy routines.
• 45:23
  Speaker 12: And it follows a Channel 4 documentary called In Plain Sight,
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: where they do play side-by-side some of these allegations against
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: him and then some of the things that he said
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  Speaker 12: either on radio when he was working at the BBC
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  Speaker 12: or on stage when he was working as a stand-up comedian.
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  Speaker 12: There is a slightly unusual aspect to this case, though, Andrew,
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  Speaker 12: which is that Once this documentary came out a couple
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: of years ago now, I think it was, the Metropolitan
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: Police asked people, proactively asked people to come forward. They
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: basically said, if you think you have been a victim
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: of Russell Brand, come forward to us. Now, I can't
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: really remember police publicly doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And I wonder.
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  Speaker 12: if his defence are going to make a big deal
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  Speaker 12: out of that, as and when it comes to their
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: turn during this trial, to say, look, you know, were
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  Speaker 12: the police almost committing a pre-emptive contempt of court here
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  Speaker 12: by strongly indicating that they already believed that Russell Brand
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: was a sexual predator? And if anyone wants to come
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: forward at all, please do. His wife also accompanied him
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: on the first day of this trial. It's set to
• 46:28
  Speaker 12: last between six and ten weeks. That's going to be
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: quite interesting to watch that dynamic there, isn't it? Has
• 46:34
  Speaker 12: he told her absolutely everything that's going to be coming
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  Speaker 12: out or the allegations are going to be coming out
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  Speaker 12: in this case? Is she going to still be by
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  Speaker 12: his side in 10 weeks time? Important to say again,
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: he pleads not guilty to absolutely everything. But to give
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  Speaker 12: you a scale of this story, it is on every
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  Speaker 12: single national newspaper front page in this country today.
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  Speaker 1: I must say the only other instance I've seen of
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  Speaker 1: police preemptively asking people to come forward with allegations against
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: someone was in Victoria against George Pell, who turned out
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to be absolutely innocent. but was made a scapegoat, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: a real shame. But I also wonder whether Brand has
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: been so..... well, he's so good-looking, or was, had so
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: many women throwing themselves at him that he might have
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: thought that he was irresistible no matter what kind of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a prat he was through other women who didn't want
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a bar of him. I don't know. Maybe that'll come up.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: By the way, your new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, is
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: under pressure, of course, to stop these boatloads of illegal
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: immigrants flooding in. It's a new plan, Patrick. Although even
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: from Australia, from down here, I can smell something dodgy.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's all welly in this.
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: So our Prime Minister... was elected by 0.036% of the population.
• 47:55
  Speaker 12: That's who voted for him to become Prime Minister. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: he now wants to essentially overturn the result of the
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: largest democratic vote in British history, Brexit. We voted for
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: total legal national sovereignty. And now what he wants to
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: do is give EU judges more power over our immigration system,
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: which means that judges from countries like Malta, Bulgaria, Luxembourg
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: or Lithuania can decide some of our immigration cases. He
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: wants us to join an EU European-wide database, which... They say,
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: you know, how to identify these illegal immigrants a little
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  Speaker 12: bit better and how to identify if they've been involved
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  Speaker 12: in criminality. Well, it's not working particularly well on the continent,
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: is it? Because you just have to look at all
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: of the other countries at the minute and you realize
• 48:34
  Speaker 12: that they are not dealing with illegal immigration that well.
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: And look, the government as well. This is the other
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: thing about it. It was emerged today that the government
• 48:42
  Speaker 12: is not using proper lawyers to fight asylum appeals. So
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: we are rejecting asylum seekers' cases. We're rejecting asylum seekers' cases.
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: Then they are appealing. They are using lawyers. And then
• 48:55
  Speaker 12: we are using, like, just random blokes and women essentially
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  Speaker 12: off the street.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: And sending them into court.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Christie, it's a mess. It's a mess over there. Look,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, mate. That's it
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  Speaker 1: from me. Coming up next, James McPherson filling in for
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Shari Markson. Good night.