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MRAs vindicated! Malcolm and Simone of Based Camp explain! | Fireside Chat 273 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Brian and this is the fireside Chat and today I
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  Speaker 1: am joined by Malcolm and Simone of Based Camp. They
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  Speaker 1: have a YouTube channel and a reddit and websites and
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  Speaker 1: everything and essentially the you know, we were just talking
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  Speaker 1: a little bit before the show started. My initial interest
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  Speaker 1: in you was you guys had have done a video
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  Speaker 1: about the bear. Mean Now I was aware of your
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  Speaker 1: content before, but the bear mean being you know, they
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  Speaker 1: were asking I think it was women, younger women, like
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  Speaker 1: would they if they were, you know, in the woods,
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  Speaker 1: would they choose a man or the bear? You guys
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  Speaker 1: are aware of that. And after that I looked into
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  Speaker 1: you know, we had you on for that, and then
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  Speaker 1: I had you on my own channel, my my my
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  Speaker 1: individual channel. We were talking more about I think it
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  Speaker 1: was likev tubers and gamer gate stuff and Kirsha and
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  Speaker 1: how I had this theory that v tubers are going
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  Speaker 1: to save the West.
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  Speaker 2: But we actually recently had Leaflet on our stream.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that, I saw that you loved.
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  Speaker 2: Having her on as I might be on her stream
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday night. So we're gonna see what I can.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's that'd be cool. I'm not super aware of
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  Speaker 1: Leaflet other than her appearances on side Scrollers, but I
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  Speaker 1: do want to try to get her on the show
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  Speaker 1: as well. I think that there is for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: there seems to be a link between v tubers and
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  Speaker 1: advocating for men and boys. So that's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about us. So, Honey Badger Radio, We've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: for over ten years, probably some would argue close to
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  Speaker 1: twenty years, and it is a website and group mostly
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  Speaker 1: populated by women. I just happen to be the tech person.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that discusses the issues facing men and boys.
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  Speaker 1: So we're MRAs. We're men's rights activists. That's like the
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  Speaker 1: term that we doms.
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  Speaker 2: That's not common.
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  Speaker 1: No female MRAs is. And that's the thing too, is
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  Speaker 1: that female MRAs are extremely effective. Because of that reaction
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  Speaker 1: that you just had, that whole whoa you know, because
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  Speaker 1: are you guys aware of Karen Strawn? She's usually like
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  Speaker 1: she's one of the most well known MRAs. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: she's a she's a writer. She has a YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: called girl Writes What, And she's mostly the person who
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  Speaker 1: red pilled a lot of guys and women on men's issues,
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  Speaker 1: but we've been at it for a long time. And
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  Speaker 1: you guys, first of all, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: coming on the show, and I appreciate this. You guys
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  Speaker 1: are primarily what I know you as is pro natalist
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  Speaker 1: activist types.
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  Speaker 2: Is that there to say, Well, I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we are best known for. Like the majority of our
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  Speaker 2: viral moments have been tied to pro natalism, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not the majority of what we write on our work
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  Speaker 2: on So like we're more i'd say just broadly culture
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  Speaker 2: warrior slash anthropology nerds, like anthropology, history, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Culture warrior like trying to sort of cart chart the
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  Speaker 2: current cultural battles that our species is facing and how
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  Speaker 2: we can come out on the other side of them
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  Speaker 2: with something that is self sustaining and growing and can
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  Speaker 2: win more than just this particular battle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get that. I'm I am also broadly
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  Speaker 1: interested in the culture war I'm I came into this
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  Speaker 1: as an artist and I saw there was a strange
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  Speaker 1: kind of let's say, steering of culture that was coming
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  Speaker 1: out of academia in a certain direction, and I was
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  Speaker 1: like questioning that because you know, I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: really strange that it was so limited, and I saw
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  Speaker 1: it heading in a really bad direction. This was probably
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  Speaker 1: like twenty twelve or something like that that I noticed
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  Speaker 1: it was probably much older. I think it is much older,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, once I wanted to get into before we go
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  Speaker 2: too far on this is uh. You were talking about
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  Speaker 2: v tubers, and I don't know if you saw as
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  Speaker 2: mcgold recently did a piece on YouTubers that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people you tubers have been covering because it was very,
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  Speaker 2: very spicy, but it made a really interesting point that
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about. He said there is no
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  Speaker 2: point to malev tubers, and he then further said that
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  Speaker 2: every unattractive woman, or almost every unattractive woman who is
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  Speaker 2: a well known streamer is a v tuber, basically saying
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  Speaker 2: that vtubing is a way to have And you can
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  Speaker 2: hear this and see this as like a really negative
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  Speaker 2: thing to say, but I actually think it's a very
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  Speaker 2: positive thing to say, and it actually it's one true
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  Speaker 2: Like if you just happen to be born not the
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  Speaker 2: hottest woman in the world, it is very very hard
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  Speaker 2: to build a social following that's not your fault. There
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  Speaker 2: is only so much you can do to be in
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  Speaker 2: that top two percent of hotness, and even then you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be in it for most of your life.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things you'll realize about many of the
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  Speaker 2: famous YouTubers that are women is that most of them
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  Speaker 2: are in their late forties. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: just don't realize this. Right, if you're a woman, you
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  Speaker 2: haven't really so what men only listen to you when
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  Speaker 2: you're like twenty at a thirty and you don't have
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  Speaker 2: good ideas yet, you haven't intellectually matured yet, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have life experience yet. And then by the time you
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  Speaker 2: have all of those things, you can't use the social
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  Speaker 2: hack that women get in you know, society, and so
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  Speaker 2: what bet being is fundamentally allowing it. It is breaking
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  Speaker 2: the communication gap between I think a portion of the
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  Speaker 2: female community and the manosphere that could not be bridged
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  Speaker 2: before this. If you look at my content acquisition feed.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say I'm gonna go back to prevtubing days, right, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I watched Okay, I did watch. I
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  Speaker 2: watched Shoe on Head. She was a woman, but she
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  Speaker 2: was a young, attractive woman, right, I watched, uh who else? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Actually know, there's like three women I watch, but they're
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  Speaker 2: all super leftists and they only talk about culture war
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  Speaker 2: topics and it's like a strange aon I watch the
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  Speaker 2: girl who dresses like a clown. I watch, but again
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  Speaker 2: in all culture war topics. But if I look at
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  Speaker 2: by like right leaning intellectual women who I watch like
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  Speaker 2: for their ideas, for their intellectual investigation, they're mostly YouTubers
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  Speaker 2: like Kirsha Leaflet, the other Fox girl, I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: her name.
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  Speaker 1: Smug A Lana, Yeah, that might be it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's that's really fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to highlight that vtubing actually fundamentally
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  Speaker 2: changes the way that males and females can interact within
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  Speaker 2: an online environment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also think that, well, I don't maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to Leaflet actually or Kirisha. I've
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  Speaker 1: been I've been wanting to get them on for a
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  Speaker 1: long time because I think that there is also something
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  Speaker 1: that when you know you're you're kind of like I
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  Speaker 1: seevtubing is kind of like puppeteering, like you're you're you're
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  Speaker 1: embodying a character. It's like, you know, you're you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of a a puppeteer of this digital thing you made. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know when would you say youtubing started. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, like you said early betubing.
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  Speaker 2: I first noticing it like four years ago. That's when
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  Speaker 2: the feature My World and I'd actually argue for something
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  Speaker 2: other than a puppet.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: The word that Asthma Goold used that I thought was
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  Speaker 2: pretty good is it's like makeup, yeah, but better. It's
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  Speaker 2: like it's like makeup, except it can keep you young forever.
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  Speaker 2: You know it can.
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  Speaker 1: It's like cosplay sort of. I mean, you're a lot
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  Speaker 1: of YouTubers create their own character, right, they have a
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  Speaker 1: concept and they sort of introduce themb and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But none of the v tubers who have gained status
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  Speaker 2: as intellectual influencers embody their character, which is really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: They all stay pretty authentic to their real personality. Like
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  Speaker 2: Kirsha doesn't actually play up that she's a fought that's
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  Speaker 2: like not important to what she's.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, right, Yeah, and it's very obvious.
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  Speaker 2: She is Bostonian. She takes a lot of pride in
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  Speaker 2: her Boston accent, like Boston middle lower class accent and
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  Speaker 2: that's her coming.
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  Speaker 3: Through, that's not part of her character's backstory.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that is a point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, okay, we are this is this
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  Speaker 1: is a tangent for sure. But I guess last thing
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  Speaker 1: I'll say on it is that when you are playing
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  Speaker 1: a character, I think you're right. It basically makes it
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  Speaker 1: to where we can just talk about like, all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, the only thing that's left to come through
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  Speaker 1: other values, right that your beliefs, your arguments, your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on things, and you can be authentic because you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're an attractive young girl, you might like feel
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  Speaker 1: like you have to play a certain kind of person.
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  Speaker 1: You have to make sure that you're done up really well,
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  Speaker 1: and you're wearing the right clothes and the camera angles
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  Speaker 1: correct and all these other things.
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  Speaker 4: For your face.
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  Speaker 5: If you're an attractive person or if you're an attractive
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  Speaker 5: like that, this allows you just to speak on the
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  Speaker 5: merits of your ideas exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And and I think that the YouTubers are growing in
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  Speaker 1: popularity quite a bit. Anyway. The reason why I asked
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  Speaker 1: how long ago it probably started was because and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to like hijack too much of it conversation,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, I actually had, so you don't you just
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  Speaker 1: remember the days of Google Plus. Do you remember Google War? Yeah? So,
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  Speaker 1: and you remember when people used to use Google Hangouts
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  Speaker 1: to like do live streams and conversations.
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  Speaker 4: People were doing live streams on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yah. I never, I never was part of I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that cool.
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  Speaker 1: I was, Oh, I don't think that was cool. But
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  Speaker 1: so when I first got involved with Honey Badger Radio,
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  Speaker 1: I was like twenty thirteen and stuff. This was like
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  Speaker 1: right when Gamergate was starting. The original gamer game began
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  Speaker 1: right before, right before that happened, and we were using
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  Speaker 1: Google Hangouts to like do live streams, so we would
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  Speaker 1: like I didn't run them, but you know, you go
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  Speaker 1: into Google Hangouts and you would chat with people. And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't appear on camera because I didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: webcam because I was just like brand new to going online,
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  Speaker 1: and so all I had was whatever your default profile
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  Speaker 1: picture was. And at that time, I my profile picture
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  Speaker 1: was the doge mean you know the doge No wow,
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  Speaker 1: very whatever. And I just liked the meme. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was funny and cute. I like dogs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And because I was always appearing with the Doge meme,
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  Speaker 1: people started associating me with it, and so I would
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  Speaker 1: meet people in public later and they say, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: the doge, right. So I actually liked it so much
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  Speaker 1: that I want to say, like twenty fourteen or so,
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  Speaker 1: I found this program called face rig that lets you
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  Speaker 1: like essentially get V tubers. But we weren't calling the
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  Speaker 1: V tubers then. They were just sort of like these,
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  Speaker 1: you know, models that would facetrack, and there was one
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  Speaker 1: for the doge meme and I used to use it.
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  Speaker 1: I even interviewed David Jaffy, you know, the creator of
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  Speaker 1: the God of War and Twist Metal games four gamer
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  Speaker 1: Gate stuff back then as the Doge, and he was like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: how did you do that? So I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say I was doing it before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you didn't.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't find the hack, which was to make it
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  Speaker 2: look like a hot anime.
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  Speaker 1: Girl with my voice.
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  Speaker 2: The animation wasn't the up a tearing, It was a
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  Speaker 2: hot anime girl, right Like, yeah, yeah, oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: what guys want to look at. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 2: look at even some of the top V tubers, they're
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  Speaker 2: done by males. Like arguably the top femalev tuber is
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  Speaker 2: uh Nouchan Neuruchan, the the Ai girl.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he's Zuna. He's Zuna Ai, the Japanese one that
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  Speaker 1: was like the first big one I saw. He's more
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  Speaker 1: like a pops Pop idol for Japan.
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  Speaker 2: That's Achan is known and like politics circles.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, Neurochon. Yeah yeah, I know that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's run by a guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's why. Yeah, yeah for sure. And I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of v tubers that are cute anime girls
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  Speaker 1: are are dudes, and uh, you know that's fine, Like
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  Speaker 1: I respect the hustle. But look, anyway, very big digression.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show. Let me just tell
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  Speaker 1: message gets to us. So all right, but the reason
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  Speaker 1: why I wanted to get you guys on is again
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  Speaker 1: just like the last time we had you on, because
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  Speaker 1: of the bear meme. This time, you guys put out
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  Speaker 1: a video that I listened to twice now, I think,
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  Speaker 1: and it's called Wait, the men's rights movement is working
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  Speaker 1: where you talk? Do you guys remember that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I remember this.
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  Speaker 4: I was shocked by that.
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  Speaker 5: It just felt so long like there was nothing, nothing
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  Speaker 5: was ever gonna happen, that we would just continue to
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  Speaker 5: see people pointing out the egregious things taking place in
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  Speaker 5: divorce court, the egregious things taking place with parental rights,
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  Speaker 5: and that nothing would happen. It was just like, this
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  Speaker 5: is this is a battle that's never gonna be won.
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  Speaker 5: And the fact that in some states now there's just
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  Speaker 5: this default under standing of shared custody.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's more friction put on divorces. It's great. It
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  Speaker 4: gives me so much hope in humanity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what I was because like, look, my
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  Speaker 1: our channel has been slugging away at this content for
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  Speaker 1: over ten years, and you know, despite shadow bands and
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  Speaker 1: throttling and other struggles. It's just really vindicating because we
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  Speaker 1: heard about this too, that there were let's say, presumed
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  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty custody happening in some states. And I
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  Speaker 1: guess I wanted to know, like we were just getting yours. Malcolm,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying you were surprised by that. What was what
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  Speaker 1: was your thought on this before? Because I think Simone
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  Speaker 1: was the one that actually like told you about this
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  Speaker 1: at least on the video. Yeah about the attention, what
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  Speaker 1: was your belief on this before that that you got
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  Speaker 1: that info?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I will admit that it gave me a
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  Speaker 2: negative view of people who were still doing and rights crusading,
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  Speaker 2: because it just I had the impression that it was
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  Speaker 2: like silly and never going to work, and it didn't
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  Speaker 2: seem to have moved the ball at all. But now
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  Speaker 2: when I think about it, not only on the divorce
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  Speaker 2: court stuff, but also on common pieces of misinformation, like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you really do not hear people push the idea of
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  Speaker 2: a pay gap anymore, right, Like, Uh, that used to
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  Speaker 2: be a common thing, and I think that people who
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  Speaker 2: used it have been shut down too many times or
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  Speaker 2: too aggressively or too thoroughly to accidentally use it in
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  Speaker 2: mixed company now and uh that changes a lot, Like
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  Speaker 2: when when you get something like that and that's not
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  Speaker 2: on the table. Uh. Another thing that I'd point out
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  Speaker 2: is I'd just say that like feminism more broadly as
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  Speaker 2: like a concept kind of is dead in outside of
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  Speaker 2: the furthest of left wing circles there there there are
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of uh feminists. There are feminist warriors
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  Speaker 2: out there now, but they're not hot anymore, so nobody
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  Speaker 2: cares right like, they sort of out of it. Like
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  Speaker 2: you do not see young hot women saying I'm a
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  Speaker 2: feminist at the rate or even in a normative way anymore,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is sort of shocking, right like, And
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  Speaker 2: one of the reasons is not the men's rights movement.
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  Speaker 2: I think more what beat feminism down than the men's
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  Speaker 2: rights movement was the trans movement and the LGBT movement
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  Speaker 2: and the black movement and the Muslim movement.
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  Speaker 1: Baby, what do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 5: Like, well, a lot of women who were feminists then
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  Speaker 5: suddenly got accused of being TERFs and and sort of
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  Speaker 5: factions of feminism got picked off by what they believe
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  Speaker 5: to be their own core movements or of the progressive
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  Speaker 5: lest well, also, we're holding feminist values, are trying to
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  Speaker 5: maintain safe spaces for women only, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: In our progressive spaces. It's broadly understood that if there
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  Speaker 2: is any sort of hierarchy of oppression. White women are
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  Speaker 2: on the bottom next to white men, right like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and as such, it is very hard because okay, now,
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  Speaker 2: white men don't want to be in progressive spaces at all.
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  Speaker 2: So the people on the bottom of the pyramid when
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  Speaker 2: you walk into a progressive space are white women. And
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  Speaker 2: so what do you do, Okay, I'm in a progressive space,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the bottom. Well, uh, it turns out pretty
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  Speaker 2: much anyone can identify as queer, right Like, as I
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  Speaker 2: point out, by by their own rules, both Simone and
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  Speaker 2: I would be considered trans in a progressive circle because
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what gender I was born, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: if I woke up tomorrow and I was a woman,
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  Speaker 2: I just would be like, fine, I'll make it work, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you immediately get pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: You'd be like great, now we can double Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's called being an eight gender, right.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't understand how anyone stresses out about their gender,
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  Speaker 2: and that's called being gender queer. And that's the form
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of trans. So I'm technically trans, okay.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: So, like, I think, didn't the service show that like
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: a majority of people kind of just don't care, Like.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: The majority of people are like this, The majority of
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: people do not really care about their gender not.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: It also shows up in the number of women who
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: get gender affirm and care. So if you're if you
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: look at the female population that invests tens and thousands
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: of dollars in getting cosmetic procedures to look more female,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: or you know, invest a lot of money in looking
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: performatively female, that kind of shows you the percentage of
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: the CIS female population that really feels the need to
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: engage in gender expression and the rest kind of just
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: doesn't care that much.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But sorry, where where were they going with this?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I was saying, most people don't care.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the reason it matters that anyone can identify
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: into the queer category is now, if you're a white
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: CIS woman and you're at the bottom, now because white
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: women are at the bottom, well now you can just
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: be some form of gender queer, some form of whatever.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Oh and they them, and now you're at the top again. Right,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: but but now that's your source of status. Now you
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: don't want to fight this feminist fight. You want to
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: fight this this trans fight, the LGBT fight.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So, basically feminism sort of got discarded as a lower
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: form of a pressed class.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess it depends on how you arrange,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about like essentially the identity politics or
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the progressive stack is like a poker hand, and I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: guess I'm for some people, the you know, trans card
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: maybe is higher than the woman card, and I'm not sure,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I think in some ways it is,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but I think that the the it seems to me
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that being a woman still has a lot more power
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: in the progressive stack than maybe white women take for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: they understand it because being white is when you look
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: at how whiteness is defined, for example, like what whiteness
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: is defined by say the Smithsonian, you know, and they're
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and the things that they wrote about it. When you
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: look at all the traits that they call white, they're
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: just male. And when you look at when there have
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: been articles about black men and gay men that frame
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: them as the white men of their group. So like
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I've seen articles on the route that say black men
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: are the straight white men of black people, which means
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: they're the worst of the blacks, right, They're they're the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: most privileged. And then they'll say gay men are the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: most privileged of the LGBTQ because they're men, and it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: always seems to fall back on whether or not, like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I think that being a man is worse than being white.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That's the way I see.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead, here's white White women are the most
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: powerful arbitraris win the progressive left. Melvin are just talking
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: about this when recording another podcast. Basically, the progressive left
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: is white people supporting sort of a hierarchy of other
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: people above them, like they take precedence over them. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: obviously you can't really have any of this without them
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: being like the carpet to walk on. Every other interest
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: group within the progressive left is not actually in the
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: progressive left. They are an ex supremacist group, like a
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: black supremacist group or a trans supremacist group or whatever
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: like insert this supremacist group, and if they are ever
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: told that they are not at the top of the hierarchy,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: they're kind of out, like they don't want in. So
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: the reason why white women matter so much is they're
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: sort of the ones that maintain that. They like they
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: bankroll it, they fuel this this movement and allow it
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: to happen because they're always the carpet that a way,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: or because they yeah, they're the they're like the the
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: agar that thiscacteria grows that, yeah, the substrate and and
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: white cis. White men cannot be that because they're not
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: allowed to talk, whereas the white women are allowed to
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: talk and say no, we must let these people walk
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: over everyone else. And then there's this sort of like
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: subconscious we can't ever say who's at the very top
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: of the oppression Olympics because if anyone feels like they're
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: not at the top and they're a supremacist group, then
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: the leaf the movement. So the white women have kind
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: of have to be there to be this like very conspicuous,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: were all terrible party, and they're the only ones allowed
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: to say that, and that gives them an immense amount
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: of power.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: We were just doing an analysis on that conference that
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: broke down in Canada. They went famous and conservative basis. Yeah,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: so what actually happened was the only thing you were
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: allowed to use that for, like in the notes of
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the like that they had agreed on, was if you
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: were not a cisman. Right, so everyone who wasn't a
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: cisman could use a point of personal privilege. But then
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: as soon as like black people in a day, genous
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: people and disabled people saw somebody doing this. They then
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, wait a second, we should have our
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: own points. So they went to like Kinko's, got their
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: own maid, and within two hours of the conference starting,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different colored personal privilege things were on
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the stage because you know, everybody, but what you actually
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: need to do, and we put on this video. This
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is the trick to destroying these types of groups is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you give give power to one group that you don't
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: give to other groups. So you say, well, of course
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: everyone in this room knows that blacks or Muslims or
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: women are the most oppressed people in America. And you
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: go like, as a white man, I know that, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: then you just walk out right now, you know, because
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: then you've lit a grenade and you've thrown it on
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the table, because now they need to argue because there
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: isn't an actual consensus of who is the most oppressed
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and they really do all believe. In the Kamela election,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: a huge fight that was in the left was do
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: do blacks need to step aside to focus on Palestinian issues?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And the Palestinians are like, well, obviously we're at the top, right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and the blacks were like, well, no, obviously we're at
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the top. And the way that you get them to
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: do this is just in good faith, get them to
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: talk about who's really the most oppressed, because as soon
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: as they begin to delineate this hierarchy, I think the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: one thing that most agree on is that women are
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: at the bottom, just above like white women, just above
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: white men. In some instances, you might be like even
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: white women might think that they're at the you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and so they'll buil didn't come out, But yeah, it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a fun game to play,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: but it has really taken the air out of any
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: form of feminism that is existing was in woke spaces
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: now obviously the Turfs, uh, they're alive and well and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: as strong of a movement as they have ever been,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: but they're now a right wing movement and they hang
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: out at the Hairtge Foundation and they you know that
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they yeah, we go on their podcasts all the time.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: You know that that that evolved in an interesting direction.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Well that that's for now because they're kind of in
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the their waning in their influence. But like that that's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the thing I think that that they the feminist movement
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: is still the largest obstacle to men's issues being like solved.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And and yeah, I think you're right about like how
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: some of these myths are. I don't want to say
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that they're dead, because they still come up sometimes even
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in mainstream spaces, like the wage gap, but it doesn't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: have the same automatic acceptance that he used to have.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But we here, we've been like also sort of like
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: looking at other things that we have assumed about men
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and women, like, for example, domestic violence. This is something
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that you know, for basically my whole life, it's just
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: been considered wife beating, and the truth is far more complex.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I know that you guys have talked a little bit
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: about it, that, for example, that lesbians are among the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: most violent, bisexuals are really violent as well, and that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: most of the time, you know, domestic violence is sort
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of like bi directional in most cases, like if there
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: is violence in the home, it's usually between both partners.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's just that the way that women do it is different.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And also that we don't really call it domestic violence
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: when women do it, like sometimes they just get another
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: man to beat up the guy for them, or they
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: call the police on him and have the cops do
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it or something like that, and we don't see that
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: as abuse, or at least we know, like in general,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: people don't see it the same way. We also have
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: been looking at a lot about not just rate of boys,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: which is a big thing in academia by women, female teachers,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: but also pedophilia amongst women. And this is another thing
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that you know, like if you look at all of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the like I guess the most heinous things you can
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: think of that people can do, I would argue, well,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: while most people with the brain would argue that, like
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: men and women are both capable of these things, most
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: people don't see it that way. They just see it
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: as something that men do. And I think a lot
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of it has to do with how we talk about it,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the words we use, how we define our terms, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: so we've been like breaking the myths on that. On
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: domestic violence. I mean, this generation of women, according to Alison,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: is this younger generation. They're the most sexually aggressive i e.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Rape of any generation. Like you guys know about a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: romanticy conferences, you know, he's no dark romance.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: SAVI where guys will go dressed as like their favorite
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: characters and they become like super aggressive with him.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it especially assaulted. The guy had PTSD. He was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like they put a tag on him so they could
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like chase it, like find out where his hotel room was.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, like an air tag was found on him.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the thing. You know. They flock, They're flocking.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: They're flying, they're flocking. It's like Jurassic Park, like look
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: at their patterns. Oh no, they're fucking right towards.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And it's not like a new thing because I mean
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: everyone's heard stories of like the Beatles having to run
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: from fans and Elvis and stuff like that. So yeah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that I think that it's there.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: We are having an impact, and that was like one
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why I wanted to have you guys
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: on we We've been talking about these things for a while.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Do you do you guys ever talk a lot about
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: because I think that Okay, let me let me just
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: throw this at you. Okay, So you guys want to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: win the culture war, right or is that like Okay,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: what does that look like.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: We've already won.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I mean it's only a matter of time that the
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: clockwork of time, that it will work itself out. The
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: people who are choosing to inherit the future through intergenerationally
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: durable culture and through families, and especially through families who
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: love each other and love their own culture, they're going
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: to win. So all of these people who hate their
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: own people who hate their own culture, who hate civilization,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: who think the world is better off without people, well,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: their views aren't going to be represented in the future
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: because they're choosing not to show up in it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: If to explain what you mean by that which she's
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: saying is they're not having kids. The other side of
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the culture war is not having kids and not successfully
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: passing on their culture. They are still able to do
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it through taking other people's children and converting them through
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: things like the school system and stuff like that, but
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: it is a strategy that inevitably can only work for
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: one or two generations before the cultural groups that develop
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: strategies against them implement those strategies and then basically there's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: no one more for them to take. And this is
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: why they've had to become more and more extreme in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: their practices. It's because the old practices aren't working anymore, right, Like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: they have to become more systemic and more aggressive in
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: brainwashing children than they were historically, because they're really the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: kids are more resistant to them than they were historically
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and have more tools against them. And if you look
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: at the split in gen Z, this couldn't be clear.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Like the faction of gen Z that isn't falling for
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: this stuff, it's very clear that they're going to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: raising kids that don't fall for this stuff. It's not
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: like they come from families that taught them how to
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: spot this stuff. Like largely, when I have my friends
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: who are smart and think through this stuff and have
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: like the sort of four D cultural mindset, very few
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: of them are having their kids sucked into this sort
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of vacuum, right Like the ones who are getting their
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: kids in the blender that I've seen are either parents
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: from a generation before me before they realize this fight
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: was happening or how aggressive it was, or they're ones
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: who just thought that they could just send their kids
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to church and give them the talk once and that
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: everything was going to be okay, rather than like, no,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: like this, you actually need to approach parenting in a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: systemically different fashion. But like from the writing on the wall,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it appears we've already won. We just need to prevent
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: them from like destroying society in the world before we
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: can get to the generation where and we're moving there.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at voting patterns of young
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: people in this last election, was the first time that
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the the youngest vote moved right significantly right like. That
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen normally, right like.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And it appears to be is that for men and women,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the younger men and women, because I saw data the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: show women have young women have like flown really far left,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and young men have moderately young men But okay, okay,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just checking.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: We've got men there, you know, the young women who
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: are far left or I think unlikely to marry and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: have kids. But yeah, I don't remember the question, how
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: do we feel about where things are right now? Yeah?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I was I was asking a question to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: lead into another statement. I asked you about the culture war.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: He said that you basically had won. And what I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: was getting at is, like, I think that you're right,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And I was kind of driving at the same thing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think, in order to have a decisive victory that's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: going to last a long time, what we need is
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: for men and women to come together and form families.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And I mean that's basically it, like they just have
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to love their kids and want to raise them. Well,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have to have like a strict set
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of values other than you know, don't get sucked up
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: by the How did you guys describe at the urban
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: monoculture of wocism? Because that's designed to destroy societies. And
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I think that that's the reason why one of the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: things that I'm most concerned with is father's rights, because
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: in order for that to work, we have to have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: men involved with their families. And then you know, after
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that comes like, well how do men find good women? Know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: like we were like, I want to bring people together?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You know, does it? Does that make sense?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's it's it's it's the reality is
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: is you convert them. Right, Like most most guys I
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: know who are in stable, happy relationships, they met their
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: woman when she was still a progressive and they walked
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: her through the logic of it. And women are crazy
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: most of the major Like if you look at the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the like talk like Simone was like a far progressive
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: when I met her. When I think about other female
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: intellectuals on the right who seem like sane, I'm thinking
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: of people like, uh, you know, uh, the domestic terrorist
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: what's her name? Peachi Keinan started as a far lefty
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: of Louis Perry started as a far lefty right like uh,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and the women who start on the right seem to
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: go a bit nuttier. If I'm gonna be honest, like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I don't almost tell you guys start with a woman
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: who starts on the left and moves to the right,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: because then they've got like immunity to the leftist mimetic.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: See.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I'd also point out that the urban monoculture isn't our
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: only mimetic enemy. Like one of the ones that's becoming
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: increasingly prominent is sort of the the whier graper movement. Right,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: but again, we've also already won there. But it is
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: a problem for young men because it sucks young men
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: into a movement that has virtually no kids. Like even
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Nick has said this, like, once you become a once
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: you get in a healthy relationship, you typically leave the movement,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: which is why he encourages his followers to not get
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: in healthy relationship right, like and and other people have
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: said this, like, once you once you understand that this
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: isn't a man versus women thing, which is very easy
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: to understand once you're married. Like, once you're married and
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: you have daughters and you have sons, you're like, this
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: is civilization versus anti civilization, right, and uh an, anti
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: civilization can look like different things. I mean, like in
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Black communities, for example, the culture that leads to men
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: leaving their families isn't urban monoculture, it isn't groper, but
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: it is obviously damaging and preventing their faction of civilization
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: from continuing. Right, their birth rates to fall into super
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: low levels. We have an episode on a lot of
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: people are surprised by that because a lot of Black
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: women feel like, you know, well, I got to make
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: sure the dad stays around and stuff like this. Un
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: So I've got to have a very stable relationship. We
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: have to be dating for this long beforehand, and then
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: they don't end up you know, getting pregnant within their
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: their fertility windows. And so I think that with every group,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: we're not just speaking on like like, we're fighting the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: cultural battle on a number of fronts, and what those
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: fronts to look like depend on the demographic you're talking to.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I think that the I
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: think that You're right about the this being a civilization
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: versus anti civilization thing, but like the our ability to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: reproduce is what is being attacked, our ability to form
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: families to stay together, and that could be, like you said,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: from a number of different angles. I would argue that
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Goroypers are not right wing though, but that's just me.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I think they don't vote right wing. We point out
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that they are like as left.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: They are accelerationists. Ultimately, I think like they want things
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to get worse because they think that. And look, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: get their pain on anger because like I was, I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: was against this kind of anti whitism that I was
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: seeing going back to like the late nineties, and I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be a problem, like if it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: kept accelerating, accelerating and stepping up. And I think a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people just kind of like go along with
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it because it's what they're used to in terms of
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like the narrative. But but yeah, I don't think those
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: guys are right wing. But have you guys heard of
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Helen Andrews? Are you familiar with Helen Andrews? She writes
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: for a website. I think it's called Compact. She wrote
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: her you might have she she wrote an essay that
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was very that went viral and she was doing interviews
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: called the Great Feminization. Have you heard of that? Yeah?
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: She was talking about how where essentially it comes from
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the idea that you know, obviously men and women are
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: biologically different, and she was basically saying that what she
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: has seen and the data shows that as any organization
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: or entity builds up to a certain number of female employees,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: like when it gets to a certain critical mass, the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: entire culture of it shifts towards a more feminine oriented model,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and that it can be bad for certain industries like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: law for example, where you know, all of a sudden,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you move from something that is a lot more logical
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and you know, like things like law are pretty straightforward, right,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and it moves into things like contexts and stuff. I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have seeing her article, but like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: if you haven't, I can send you a link to it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: It's called the Great Feminization. It's it's pretty fascinating read
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and it kind of shows and look, I'm not saying
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that this is something about women per se. I think
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: it's like a more of a feminine mindset like men
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: can have it too, like more risk averse, more agreeable,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: more desire to like get along kind of stuff.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Like, there's some cultures that are more feminized in that
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: way and the sort of way more masculine in that way,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: And a lot of it comes down to like being
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: collectivist versus individualist.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: For example, bureaucracy.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: All of those things absolutely speaking, perform better in bureaucracies
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: than men perform in bureaucracies. Women will out compete men
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: within bureaucratic systems because they're just more designed for socialization, right, Like,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that's something that they have. If you look at the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: science on this, they have better social skills and they're
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: better at navigating social hierarchies. And so as society has
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: become more bureaucratic, it has given women an advantage and
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: it has moved society towards a female perspective as they
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: have had this advantage. Now, the reality that we are
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: facing right now is AI is reversing this trip. It
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: is making the types of things that women were uniquely
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: good at the first types of things to be holistically replaced.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And as such, I suspect we will see this cultural
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: drift begin to radically correct in a way that is
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: going to scare a lot of people. We covered recently
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: in one of our episodes how the urban monoculture sort
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of used black women as its paties for a long time,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and there has been enough of a snap back in
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: just this last year that black women are really facing
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the brunt at this because they were out being hired
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: within government institutions, which are like the bureaucracies and bureaucracies,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: and now as those institutions are being cut back, they
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: are being cut back even disproportionately within these cutbacks, right,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and it is and I think many of them are like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: oh my god, like this system I was relying on,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: this bureaucracy with bureaucratic type jobs, has has left me.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, anyway, I'll send it to you after
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this if you want to read it yourself. Maybe you
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: guys make a video on it or something. Maybe she's
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: completely wrong out to lunch, but I thought it was
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a I'm glad the conversation was taking place because it's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: one of those things where if you say, let's talk
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: about you know, women in the workforce, like, has it
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: been in that positive? What are the drawbacks? I think
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: people get really upset about that stuff. So let's talk
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit about the victories that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: We have got for fathers, because that's kind of what
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: pushing back on this concept of women in the workforce
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: being an issue at all. Women not being in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: workforce was a fairly recent historical anomaly. Women for most
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: of human history were in the workforce. They just worked
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: in corporate families. That meant they and their husbands work together.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: The idea they've always worked, yes, agree, Yeah, they always worked.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: There was a short period when atomized day labor was invented,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: which was around the nineteen twenties. Is when it really
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: started to become popular in nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: it then died in the nineteen seventies, right eg. When
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: women started entering the labor market in mass The idea
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of a single male supporting a family that was at
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: home was an incredibly short lived experiment that really wasn't
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: rolled out to most world anyway.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that even then what you're talking
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: about wasn't like most people still worked. Like everybody even
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: during that short period, I think it was a certain
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: class of people that was able to, you know, where
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you could have a man supporting a household by himself. Yeah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I think that even then, Like, you know, women worked
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: in some capacity. Just because you're not getting a paycheck
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're not working, right, You're like, well.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I mean they worked like they were housewives. I mean
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: they worked like they worked no. I know, if I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: had a butcher shop, right, Like, if I'm a family
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and I own a butcher shop, because most businesses back
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: then were family businesses, the husband would cut the meat
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: and maybe manage supplies, and the wife would typically manage
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the counter and manage income.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You know, if I worked on a farm, Like, if
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I had a farm, the wife wasn't staying inside all day.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: She was killing the fields, she was planting the croubs.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: She was the only aspect active culture where women didn't
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: work was the top, like two point five percent, that's yeah,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that's what.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, not even them.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: Like in a aristocratic household, the woman was responsible for
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: running the household, so she was basically filling what's now
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: considered a chief of staff for director of operations role.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: She hired, fired, managed, kept books, et cetera. So yeah, actually,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: even the most aristocratic women had full time jobs, administrative jobs.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So that's correct. I was just going to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: say that I agree with everything. I don't. I don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: think we're disagreeing on any of that stuff. So what what? Okay?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So what's about the father stuff? We have? Apparently there
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: have been some victories. I don't know if you guys
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: have seen anything new since that video that was back
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: in December that you what's going on now?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like there have been ongoing reforms in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: various states for child support calculations to make them more fair,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: reducing lifelong or disproportionate burdens on men. There have been recognition,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: and this is a big one, there has been recognition
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of the existence of paternity fraud, which was something that
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: was a big issue.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Where in the works. Oh so stuff's happening.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So this is like a big one because well,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: there's paternity fraud where a woman like you know, knowingly
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: says a man as a father who isn't. But then
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: there's also wrongful paternity where a woman guesses, but she
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: guesses incorrectly because I guess she's been seeing with too
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: many dudes and she doesn't know which one is her father,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the father of her child, but they are This is.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And look, it doesn't mean a law has been passed,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: but there has been a I guess, like an acknowledgment
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: that this is possible, that this should be something that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: we talk about. So I'm glad about that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: About that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Recently was the court case where a judge was like, ma'am,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: we can't tell you who's the father because she's.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Slept with two twins.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: But that's one of those wellvich or Jerry Springer, you
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: know that you.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Got to bring them on. Actually we had ways.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: What's funny about this sleeping was too identical twins. It's
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: literally irrelevant who's the father. The kids genetically belong to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: both of them. They should both be on the hook,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: right Like, that's the way I see it. If your
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: kids are genetically yours, no, but the uh and, and
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: you slept with the person, then you know there. It's
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: not like one of them didn't sleep with her or something.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: You don't split the baby, you split the father. I
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: see what you're doing there.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Look, we we still got entire countries like France where
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: you can't even legally do praternity checks, right.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Like, it's Germany, that's Germany.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Will we be one of those weird cut countries. But
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I think the bigger problem. The reason why I point
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: out that women used to work, it's I think it
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: obscures the problem. People act like the problem what happened
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to marriages was that women got jobs like that that
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: was when fertility rates started falling. That that was when.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That's not true. Actually we don't even see a particular
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: acceleration of fertility rates falling during that period. Fertility rates
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: have been falling since like the eighteen thirties. Right. What
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: destroyed the family was men getting jobs and leaving the house.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: What destroyed the family was men and women not working
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: as a team within their families anymore. Men and women are,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I think, at a deep biological level, designed to work
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: together at every aspect of their lives. And when we
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: tell other married couples, oh, we work together, we do
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: our podcast together, we et cetera. And they're like, oh
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: my god, you work with your spouse twenty four to seven.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't do that. And I'm like, well, you
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: probably should have married the person then, right, like you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: like I I'm sorry to say that our society because
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: we normalized your wife is just someone you need to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: be able to tolerate for two hours a day in
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: sleep wiz occasionally. You know, we normalized a really toxic
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: interpretation of what a relationship is that I think precipitated
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: many of these downstream effects that we're dealing with. Mm hmm.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that that's a that's a good point. That's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a good point. So some other victories, and I think
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: this is worth because all I just think this is
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: all really good news, and in particular for children, because
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it's one thing that we I think we tend to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: talk about the wrong people in need. You know, we
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: talk about what women need and what men need, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: we should be like really looking at what children need,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: like the children, uh in these families. So there was
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a in April, uh, Mississippi had passed HB one six
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: sixty two, which establishes a rebuttable rebuttable. I pronounced that rebuttable. Yeah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: rebuttable presumption in favor of fifty to fifty joint custody
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and equal parenting time as the default in divorce and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: custody cases. This is like huge because if you just
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: have that presume fifty to fifty custody, then I think
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that it will change drastically the way people make decisions about,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: you know, whether or not to have kids and who
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to have kids with, because this is something
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that I think it just affects people's decision making in
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that way. So it has been sent to Governor Tate
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Revees for a signature, so it hasn't been signed yet.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: This would take effect in July of this year. South
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Carolina passed an equal Parenting Act. Oklahoma introduced an act
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that would also presume joint custody. Pennsylvania has a co
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: parenting shared parenting as a default. So these are all
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: things that are on the table. Then there was this
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: is from March. In Mirabelli versus Bonta, the Supreme Court
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: delivered a major win for parallel parental rights by dismantling
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: aspects of California's secret gender transition policies in schools. The
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: ruling holes that schools cannot hide children's gender related issues
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: from parents or facilitate transitions without parental knowledge or consent.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: It protects due process and religious liberty rights of parents.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a big one, right California. No less, So,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys I've seen that or
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: know about.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: That I was unaware of these wins. I mean, they're
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: good to see. The The tide is definitely in our
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: favor right now. That is, that is what I am
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: seeing broadly speaking. But you know, there's so many moving pieces, right,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Like our big push these days is on AI related
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: stuff because AI related stuff is the future of the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: global economy, right, and so it's going to change a
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: lot of economic situation. Like I don't when you were
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: saying that the Great feminization, I agree that the Great
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Feminization happened, and it happened for the reason she said
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: it happened. But now it looks like it's set to
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: unravel due to changes in the way the economic structure
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: is set to work. Yeah, and that's exciting, but it
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: could also go wrong in so many ways. I mean,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: the heads of many of these AI companies are pretty woke,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: but some of them are pretty based, right, you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: like uh, and so like we we work on most
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: these days are fab dot ai, which is like our
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: AI chatbot and agent system, right, So, and why are
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: we doing that? Because if I can create the future employee,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I can gear that employee in a direction that I
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: think is civilizationally constructed constructive.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I got a rumble rant I want
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to read out really quick. Nova Fan twenty one gives
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: us a dollar, thank you, Nova Fan, and says, with
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: all due respect, I find it hard to believe lefty
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and liberal women can be reasoned into marrying a man.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: It got even harder seeing women on social media and
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: they aren't stopping their craziness. I don't know if you
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: guys want to say anything to that, but no, I.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Do want to talk about this because I think this
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: is one of the the There are lefty, crazy psycho
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: women out there, right, but then there are other women
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: like my wife when I met her, who are women
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: go with the crowd on average more than men do, right,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Like they're less likely if everyone around a woman is
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: saying one thing, there are many women who just hadn't
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: considered that the opposite might be true. And if you
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: sit them down and you talk.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: Not even that the opposite might be true. Literally, that
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: they are allowed to have dissenting opinions. Like one of
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: the biggest reliefs that I got when I met Malcolm
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: was like, oh, I'm allowed to say something different.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Keep in mind the environments in which many young women
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: are growing up, especially in progressive cities.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: They don't have friends, they don't know anyone who wants
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: to get married, they don't know anyone who wants to
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: have kids. None of my childhood friends ever had ambitions
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: or plans related to getting married or having kids, So
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: like I just wasn't introduced to it. And the idea
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: that I mean, if you expressed a vaguely conservative view,
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: you would be defenestrated, Like why would you why would
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: it even occur to you if you have a mindset
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: that is that is predisposed toward conflict avoidance, Like you
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: got to give these women a chance.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Uh. And I think it's also like when I say
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: my wife didn't want to take my last name, Like
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: we had a big conversation about that at first, Like
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying she was.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: A live and when he was like, oh I think
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: I want to get married, I'm like, okay, great, let's
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: do it in like five to ten years, you know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: like just all the progressive.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Talking points, all the progressive talking points, And what I
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: talked her through is I was like, Okay, what do
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you want from your life and why? Like define to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: me a life well lived and why you believe that,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: and then we can talk through why she thinks that's
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: a life well lived, like why she thinks those are
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: things of value, because no, you don't walk up to
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: her and say this is why you should like Trump, right,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Like that's not your you're you're out of the gate
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: talking point, right, or this is why feminism is silly.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you walk up and you start with like
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: basic first principle stuff, what do you want from your life?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Why do you want that? And then I said, okay,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: we've established that these are the things you value, and
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: this is your hypothesis for how those things can be achieved.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: And some many my position changes resulted from me being
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: like I value this, this and this, and him being like,
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: and you think, X is how that's going to happen,
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: like walk me through it, and then I'd realize, oh wow,
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: this is.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: This is maladaptive.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: This thing isn't what it promises to be, and like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: all you have to do is ask questions.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: If you have someone, if you find someone who is.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: The basic intelligence required to actually think through things when
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: you give them a safe environment to do so in
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: a not sort of politically charged or like emotionally charged venue,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: you're good, And of course you don't want to end
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: up marrying or seriously dating someone who doesn't have the
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: mental capacity to do that. So if they shut down
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: immediately when they are in a safe private space with
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: you and you're literally asking them to think through the
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: best way to maximize the things they have value, then
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: like obviously like no loss, You're good, Like move on.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, all right, Simone. I got a question
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: for you. So, since you were a progressive, what was
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the most woke position that you held that you look
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: back on in like face pall.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: Matt Oh, I was a I mean I don't actually
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: I don't face palm at any of it. Like, I
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: totally understand why I thought what I did. I was
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: super excited to have my uterus removed. I was like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: I want to get a hysterectomy. I was a virgin.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: I had no plans on ever, like I was, I
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: was a virgin on birth control, Like I didn't need
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: to have my uters removed.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: I was just so euphoric about the idea.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: It's almost like considered like an uber abortion, Like, ah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: I see your abortion and I raise it.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: I don't have you know, like it's yeah, abortion, yeahite.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: Of ending fertility. I mean that I think that goes
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: to show when when element of extremity, that that the
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: first time I met a woman who expressed interest in
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: becoming a mother like that was something that really mattered
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: to her. I was literally out of the country meeting
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: a girl who was likely from like the Deep South
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: or something, just totally different culture from where I grew
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: up around San Francisco, and I literally was thinking to myself, like,
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: should I call someone like is she okay?
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Like blink twice if you want out?
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: Like I just I felt like she must be in
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: a cult because who would who could possibly want such
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: a crazy thing like this is.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: How And I it's not like I came from extremist family.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Like my parents were pretty reasonable people, you know that
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: they didn't raise me, you know, like with them pronouns.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: So they did think I was going to marry a
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: woman someday, because like all my friend's parents were lesbians,
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: and so they were like.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Well, simon, we're gonna love whatever man or woman you find.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: You know that whole thing again, you gotta give you
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: got to give young women credit right now that they're
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: growing up in echo chambers.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Where yeah, they're unhinged.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: But I do think that there's like there's like a
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: pressure for women to like, let's say, fall in line
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: because they don't they don't want to be socially ostracized
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: by their friend groups. So you know, I think that's true.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: But like, so you do you E didn't just like
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: back away from that position. You reversed it, Like how
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: many kids do you have? Now?
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: I five and we hope to get pregnant with six
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: this year. Sorry if they're they're like five is eating.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Your Oh no, I don't see. Yeah, yeah, but.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: The sad thing is that, actually I don't think I
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: at first, like agreed to have kids for the right reason,
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Like I agreed to have kids from sort of like
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: the Dink mindset and not from an actual I buy
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: into parenthood mindset. Because on our second date, Malcolm was like, hey,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: like I plan to have a big family.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: I love kids.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: That we didn't plan on, Like this wasn't when he
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: was trying to sell me personally, he was just like, well,
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: why are you so excited to not have kids? Because
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: I told him like, oh, I'm like I'm never gonna
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: have kids and I'm never gonna be married and it's
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: gonna be great. And I told him I didn't want
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: kids because I saw how my mom had given up
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: her career and her identity to become a parent, and
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: I didn't want that for myself. And he's like, well,
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: what if you didn't have to give those things up?
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, then I'd have infinite kids, Like
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: it wouldn't matter to me. But that was sort of
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: with this supposition that I would outsource every element of parenting.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: And I've subsequently realized that that is is talk. It's
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: not fulfilling. It's buying into a game that doesn't really
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: benefit anyone.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: And I point out, you're hearing in this conversation how
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I brainwashed her into being right wing.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, you don't have to give up your
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: left wing Like.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Why do you want this thing? Rather than saying you
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have those opinions.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like you should want kids. Kids are blessing, Kids
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: are amazing.
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: You're like, well, like if you had to do this,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: would you have kids if it was like and.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I'd point out that, like you can think that this
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: is just something that like, oh, you do this with
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: like left wing women who have been surrounded by this
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: is something that you take like a far right wing person,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: like or or in any sort of cult. Because I
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: do agree that the Grapers are basically left wing. But
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: if you took a Graper aside and you just walked
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: them through their goals and all their positions, they're actually
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: going to be fairly reasonable, right Like, They're going to
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, actually, I can see how it is
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: counterproductive to be in a movement that doesn't have any
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: kids if I'm trying to save you know, white culture
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: or something like that, right like, and and maybe I
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: do need to find a way to make X work
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: if I want a realistic chance at victory. And and
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: you just get them aside and you have this conversation
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: with him, the the the real challenge comes with the day,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: where you need to say, and now, Simone, a lot
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: of these toxic views are coming from your friend group,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: maybe you shouldn't hang out with them anymore. And that
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: was a conversation we had really early on. I just
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: pointed out that like her friend group weren't particularly useful
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to her and we needed to make new and better friends.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Like
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I was like they they seem to, you know, not
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: be moving your career forwards. They don't seem to be
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: intellectually challenging you. Uh, they seem to be just affirming
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: things right, and we need to move to the So
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: let's look for people who are doing things that we
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: aspire to do. Right. And uh, you know that's how
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I isolated her as a cultist from her community, right.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Or broke her out of the cult. I don't know, like,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: but uh, yeah no, that's that's what I do too.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Is like, if I run into somebody like that, I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: basically just like say, okay, let's take your beliefs and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: let's see where that goes. Let's just take it to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: its logical conclusion. Allow me to agree with every single
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: position that you hold, and oh here's where we're landing, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, that's that's what I do with that. All right. Well,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: so we've been going for a while. Now I'm gonna
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: wrap it up here. But I want to ask you guys,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: don't leave, because I want to ask you a favor
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: and put me in touch with leaf It leaflet or leaflet.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Leaf It leaf.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: It is what Asthma Gold called her once and it's leafless.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: It's leafless. Yeah, next time I do our extreme, I'll
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: ask about it.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I appreciate that. I'd like to have
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: her on. I think it'd be really cool to have
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: a VTuber on and then I can break out my
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: old YouTuber as well and we can beat together. I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: still have my doge one but anyway, Yeah, so let
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: what do you guys got coming up next? Any conferences
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: or events or anything.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So the core project we're working on these days is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: our fab dot ai, which is ai chatbot sex spots
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: because people use those and agents so like they can
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: make phone calls, they can do emails, they can code. Uh,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: the agent feature is still a little buggy, so we're
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: ironing that out, but I expect to have it pretty
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: polished within like a month, as good as any vibe
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: coding software at least. And it's super easy to use.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: It's not like open claw or something like that. It's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: just lug and play and uh yeah, So that's our
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: core thing right now because I want to create, like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: replace human workers as quickly as possible. It's and I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: want to be the one to do that because somebody
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: is going to do that, right, So you know, I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: want to be on the agent side of that particular
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: workface transformation, so we've been running on that. I do
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: know that the Pernatles conference happening this year, but it's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: going to be more decentralized. I think people can look
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: into that, but I don't think it's been announced or
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: anything yet.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Obviously we've got our podcast, which is which is popping
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: these days.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, here you got your guys. Is reddit
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: is really big too, right?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, well it was shadow band and now it crashed.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: It was at a point where our subreddit was around
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: the size of our relationships, which is astonishingly large if
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: you're not aware, Like we were like top fifty for
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, and uh, of course everyone on there
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: talking about like immigration and stuff we did. We knew
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: it wasn't gonna last. It was like it was like
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the most like vitalistic you know, baga e subreddit you
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: can imagine, and it got nuked from orbit by reddit
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: one day. It was like it went to like one
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: to two percent for volume. I mean, our discords really
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: popular though, people talking all day, all night on a discord.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: If you want a community that like it's cool and intellectual.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Go check it out.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: You can find it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: Find it linked from the top comment on any YouTube
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: video of our podcast based camp. So if you go
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: to the comment our discords, yeah, I have.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: A link to your channel the descriptional right, so they
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: should able to find that very easily. One other thing, though,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: since you guys are developing AI tools, maybe you should
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: develop one that will help guys like you don't know,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: pick up chicks, like it'll like like it'll role play
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: with them or something.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, we've had this. This idea was popularized by modern
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: what is his name again, Chris Williamson popular.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Modern Wisdom Chris Williamson.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and or at least's when I first heard it
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: as as a concept, And I could do that, But
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: anyone could do that on our site if they want
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to build an adversarial female AI to attempt to do
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: this with, they can even build multi layered chatbots. So
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: if you go to our engine creator, we allow you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: to create layered engines. So basically, one AI runs on
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: the story, comes up with ideas, and then you can
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: have another AI that says, you know, now filter this
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: for realism, assuming she's actually a woke woman or something
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: like this, and you can or or you know, you're
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: in charge of deciding if like you flag me and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: call the police or something right like, and so you
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: can build multi layered engines meant to achieve that. So
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: we have the infrastructure for it. We just haven't built
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: that particular bot yet because I found that people don't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: actually like to challenge themselves. If I'm going to be honest,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: All of our early projects are around giving people good
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: tools for improving themselves. And then I realized that people
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: don't really want to improve themselves, not really. They say
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: they do, they want to be the type of person
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: who improves themselves, but they never go out and do it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: What about well, you guys, I mean you said you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: had tools for it, like if somebody want to train,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: because I mean if you if you say that AI
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: is going to replace a human workforce, I think human
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: beings are going to be looking for something to do.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: And because I don't know that we can just not work,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we're built for that.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: So not healthy. Yeah, if you want to survive, you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: better keep doing something.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, So maybe like there'll be tools to teach
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: people how to use, you know, some of these AI
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: tools or or something.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what reality fabric ourfab dot ai is, That's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: what it does. It is basically the easiest possible on
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: ramp for agentic AI that's out there. And like I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: just I just sti't want to go through the process
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: of figuring out open cloth, for example, I can. I'm
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: very comfortable using our fab It's super easy. I have
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: created agents that I use for various businesses. We have
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: to like, hey, do sales prospecting for me? Hey, like
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: you know, do like do a deep dive on this
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: and source all these leads.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: You really don't need to know a thing about coding
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: or AIS to use the website. Like the agent system
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about, I mean, yes, we've got chatbots
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: that you can build with the Agent system. Literally go
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: in and you can write like a description of like
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: the type of person you want the agent to be,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: and it'll create memories a personality for it that the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: AI can update as time goes on. And then you
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: have like a list of tool calls it can make
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: or actions it can take, and you click those and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: these will be things like sending emails, making phone calls,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: having access to files, on.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Your computer and writing on them, and.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: You just give it. You don't give it all the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: actions because that'll confuse it. But you just give it
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: whatever actions you want for whatever you're having it do,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: and then you can have it be your marketing agent
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: without any you know, background encoding or anything like that. Now,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: this system is still a little jank again, I said,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: it's about months before it's ironed out, but it basically
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: works all right.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's good to know. I'll check it out and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you guys can go to their channel and look all
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that stuff up their discord, their AI website. Definitely like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: you know, check out Malcolm and Simone's YouTube channel. I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: watch their videos every so often and you know it's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: it's good stuff. So thanks, thank you so much or
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: taking the time out of your day to hang out
• 1:07:02
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• 1:07:06
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  Speaker 6: Men's Right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: deal with, especially if you have, like especially if you
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: On top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked